Speaker 1: Welcome back to Unplugged, brought to you by DraftKings. The
Speaker 1: crown is yours. Before we get this episode started, I
Speaker 1: want to shout out two of the best players that
Speaker 1: I ever got a chance to play with and against
Speaker 1: who are just nominated for the Class of twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five Hall of Fame. First of all, Carmelo Anthony, one
Speaker 1: of the best scores this game has ever seen, competitor
Speaker 1: three level score, strong athletic. His ability to make shots
Speaker 1: and kit clutch shots have been unmatched, so salute. And
Speaker 1: then Dwight Howard, one of the most disrespected greatest players
Speaker 1: I've ever had a chance to play with and against.
Speaker 1: I got a chance to play with Prime Dwight in Orlando.
Speaker 1: Just incredible on both sides of the ball. So just
Speaker 1: want to make sure I Shand's love and a shout
Speaker 1: out to both you guys. The Enshrinement takes place September sixth,
Speaker 1: First bout, No question, Congratulations fellas Man, Welcome to the show,
Speaker 1: my guy, mad Max. You was busy this weekend, man,
Speaker 1: I saw you. I heard you ran into a keem
Speaker 1: at during who I See You fly as ever at
Speaker 1: Stack's birthday party. Man, what's happening with you. You're back
Speaker 1: on the mountain outside right now, Max, Max is outside
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: Man. It was so fucking crazy out day Houston. Anytime
Speaker 2: I go there, man, this ship is like my goodness,
Speaker 2: make well. I just I can't talk about everything, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, party man.
Speaker 3: I had a wonderful time. Man, it was. It was
Speaker 3: a wonderful time.
Speaker 1: It was happy birthday to our brother Stack.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: I have this weekend, so I had to live vicariously
Speaker 1: through Instagram, but everybody was fly. A big topic leaving
Speaker 1: the National Championship game is your brother are keen not
Speaker 1: being able to get on the floor. What's the deal
Speaker 1: with that?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: I saw your tweet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, see these weird ass white folks out there in
Speaker 2: San Antonio. You know you gotta have motherfuckers doing who damn?
Speaker 2: This is logic one. You gotta know who this mother.
Speaker 1: Right. That's a walking credential right there. That's the walking
Speaker 1: credential you talking about.
Speaker 3: He don't need no predictions, man. That's why I thought.
Speaker 3: I thought my boy was gonna reach up and knock.
Speaker 2: The ship out of him like he hit me. But
Speaker 2: he contained his motherfucking self. He contained himself real well.
Speaker 2: I spoke, dreaming, I sell the look and then okay,
Speaker 2: but but I just thought dreaming put them damn hands
Speaker 2: on it the tweet.
Speaker 1: Hell, dream, you need to stop being Muslim for a second,
Speaker 1: asked the guy. What did the five fingers stay to
Speaker 1: the face? He wanted them to slap the dog ship
Speaker 1: out of bro Huh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I had to put that in there, man,
Speaker 2: because that was crazy.
Speaker 1: Man, come on, man'sous it's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: I gotta know who you're dealing with.
Speaker 1: Who you're fucking with, man, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, did you dream talk about your clipping went viral
Speaker 1: on the show?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the slap and ship. Uh. I walked into the venue.
Speaker 2: They had a Legends night over there at the Rockets game,
Speaker 2: and I gets okay, see on Friday.
Speaker 3: So I walked up to the venue. I see dreaming.
Speaker 3: At first I saw Rudy Tea. I went over the
Speaker 3: talks with the tea for a little while. He was
Speaker 3: talking me, why you got that blowing up?
Speaker 2: You looking good? I'm happy for you. Then I said,
Speaker 2: I said, got that mother for a little slapman.
Speaker 3: So I went over there and dream.
Speaker 2: I was like, dream, what's going all my people's what's
Speaker 2: up baby? Dream looked at me and said, mate, why
Speaker 2: are you opening up the new the lose that door closed?
Speaker 2: Do not talk about that?
Speaker 3: Slap man, dude, why you why you opening all that up? Now?
Speaker 1: That's muster.
Speaker 2: What you do?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: God, damn dream Man? Come on now, the ship happened. Man,
Speaker 2: you're talking abou damn Man. Don't talking about that anymore.
Speaker 2: But Dream, I'm talking about this ship today. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: still put your goddamn hands over me though, Man, I said,
Speaker 2: But yeah, he just told me.
Speaker 3: To stop talking about it. I ain't gonna never stop
Speaker 3: talking about.
Speaker 1: It, ship, he said, I want my lick back. Hey,
Speaker 1: speaking of obviously, running in and and and Leed is
Speaker 1: like them young Rockets have been cooking lately. Took down
Speaker 1: ok See, ended the Warriors five game winning streak. They've
Speaker 1: secured most likely the second seed in the Western Conference.
Speaker 1: Is this team? For real?
Speaker 4: They're young.
Speaker 1: We've talked about this for a really young team. But
Speaker 1: I think Udoka is one of the best coaches in
Speaker 1: the league. He's got these boys playing on all cylinders.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on them?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: They played well on Friday when I was there, Man, shit,
Speaker 2: I couldn't I was like, damn Shay act like he
Speaker 2: ain't want to play on Friday. But those guys were
Speaker 2: locking up. Like I said, they long athletic. I keep saying, man,
Speaker 2: and I keep going back to this.
Speaker 3: Man in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Man, I don't know, man, We just like I seen
Speaker 2: them lose some games that I thought they was gonna
Speaker 2: be into and that they could have that they shouldn't,
Speaker 2: you know, to prove a point like Okay, we can
Speaker 2: go on the road and beat these teams like Denver
Speaker 2: and these guys like that.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, man, I just and I love
Speaker 2: you Dokah like you said, man, But I just think
Speaker 2: that second round is gonna be real, real tough boy.
Speaker 2: I mean it might fall against the Lakers or somebody
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: It could be do I mean.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be tough, man, I mean that's it's gonna
Speaker 2: be tough. They just don't have that real truth guy
Speaker 2: that in a you can identify with, like man Jelina
Speaker 2: was talking about for the show. So you can roll
Speaker 2: that motherfucker ball out to it and go get me
Speaker 2: a goddamn bucket.
Speaker 1: Boy. They got a lot of young talent, and I
Speaker 1: definitely think they've embraced the mindset and the attitude of email,
Speaker 1: which is you know, in your face defense, tough, hard, nose,
Speaker 1: second and third, first ones to the floor that but
Speaker 1: we all know come playoff time, experience is a is
Speaker 1: a heavy factor and any team can beat anyone on
Speaker 1: any given night, but to beat someone in the seven
Speaker 1: game series, you have to be the better team.
Speaker 3: So get us a half court game, now, all them down.
Speaker 2: Fast break points ain't there in the playoffs, man, so
Speaker 2: you can really gonna have to get into your sets
Speaker 2: and be able to run your sets. I mean, you
Speaker 2: got to go to your first option, sap. I mean
Speaker 2: it's gonna be it's gonna.
Speaker 3: Be tough, man.
Speaker 1: So it's good because again I think this is you know, Okac,
Speaker 1: He's been able to get here the last few years
Speaker 1: and take their and understand the process and what it
Speaker 1: takes and how the game slows down and how every
Speaker 1: possession counts. And this is going to be Houston's kind
Speaker 1: of with this core. This is going to be the
Speaker 1: highest they've been and you know, expected to win, but
Speaker 1: a lot of people have upset alert on the Rockets,
Speaker 1: So we're definitely gonna have to see one thing I
Speaker 1: did want to point out though, is that is they
Speaker 1: really put the clamps on Steph. I mean they threw
Speaker 1: multiple defenders from Thompson Brooks easton Adam Frazzle. You know,
Speaker 1: Steph was complaining, I think one for ten from the
Speaker 1: field three points. He may said. Anytime you're complaining about fouls,
Speaker 1: you know you've done your job again. That's the one
Speaker 1: thing I really like about this team, as they play
Speaker 1: with an energy and a physicality that you don't get
Speaker 1: to see every night in the NBA. So I'm definitely
Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing what this young team does mean too.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: Like I said all the time, they got like a
Speaker 2: lot of six s eighth, sixty nine, sixty seven guys
Speaker 2: they just throw at you. An athletic is hell, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And all of them dogs, so
Speaker 2: they're ready to guard. So, I mean they got that part.
Speaker 2: But I just think when they when they really need
Speaker 2: to get a bucket, it's gonna be tough in the playoffs,
Speaker 2: That's what I keep saying.
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see who who who falls in
Speaker 1: that seventh spot. Golden State could be in there. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of teams that could possibly be in that
Speaker 1: seventh spot. So I'm definitely looking forward to seeing who
Speaker 1: lands a men Thompson. What's his ceiling? I mean, he's
Speaker 1: one of my favorite young players. Him and his brother
Speaker 1: have come in this game and showed a different side
Speaker 1: of athleticism and IQ and skilled. What are your thoughts
Speaker 1: on him? And what is his ceiling?
Speaker 3: A dog?
Speaker 2: He a fucking dog, you know, I mean he, I mean,
Speaker 2: he won't the best player. Every fucking night guard you
Speaker 2: know out there on the perimeter. He doesn't care, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean after and then when I knew it was
Speaker 2: a real dog when he grabbed that little motherfucker.
Speaker 3: For mom and swung his head and swung that motherfucker on.
Speaker 2: The what you he wrote when he grabbed he was
Speaker 2: around goddamn rad dog. I say, goddamn, that's my guy
Speaker 2: right there. I love that motherfucker for the rockets right there.
Speaker 3: But that's my guy. Though, I love him.
Speaker 2: I'm doing something with him this summer too, So I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have a golf tournament you gotta come to. But
Speaker 2: that's my guy, Yeah, brother. Yeah, there's some dogs though,
Speaker 2: but yeah, definitely is a dog man. That's all I
Speaker 2: can say. Just a damn natural doll.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 1: Definitely send the dates. You know, I'm out there for
Speaker 1: any kind of golf. I ain't sending Houston in the.
Speaker 3: You know that. Definitely. I got dunking U.
Speaker 1: Okay, shit, I got clothes, but I can always take
Speaker 1: some new ones.
Speaker 2: Callaway want to fit you, man, Callaway, want to fit
Speaker 2: I'm in. Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 1: I'm in, Yeah, I'm in. I'm in. Our boy joh
Speaker 1: Wick joh Moran is in some more trouble. He gotta
Speaker 1: fined seventy five thousand for making a gun gesture on
Speaker 1: the court twice, not once, twice last week versus the Warriors.
Speaker 1: Is this an overreaction to stuff he's done in the past,
Speaker 1: because let's be real, a lot of people do it
Speaker 1: on all different levels. I mean, shoot or shoot and
Speaker 1: they point the guns. But I just kind of feel
Speaker 1: like Josh shit is a little different because he's got
Speaker 1: caught on Instagram, you know, two different times with a
Speaker 1: piece and and lost a lot of money and and
Speaker 1: and and had to do all this ship. But the
Speaker 1: one thing I will say Verne is I think he's
Speaker 1: really going to embrace whether it's self proclaimed or really
Speaker 1: thrown upon him. I think he's gonna embrace this villain role.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you guys want to wake
Speaker 1: that monster up, because I think he looks for any
Speaker 1: little thing to get edges and I think this him you,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you a bad guy type. What did
Speaker 1: he call? We were tripping at the house the other
Speaker 1: day when he hit the game winning against UH Miami,
Speaker 1: and he called the dude guarding him a pigeon. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this dude is hey, this dude is off the chain's different.
Speaker 3: That's my guy, that's my guy.
Speaker 2: Thoughts on him, I know it's daddy. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 2: I love the family man. That's my guy. But Joe
Speaker 2: got a cheer with all that shit, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, because I mean you already got a reputation.
Speaker 2: I mean Jo, I mean, come on, John, this Uncle
Speaker 2: Max talking to you. God damn baby, we got a
Speaker 2: god damn like trying to change the narrative now a
Speaker 2: little bit, you know what I mean. The world is
Speaker 2: going to be the face of the NBA one time.
Speaker 2: Now you're the villain, Okay, That's who I was. So
Speaker 2: I mean you can embrace the villain part and shit
Speaker 2: and be a villain. But still, man, keep that goddamn
Speaker 2: money in your goddamn pocket. Boy, I'm trying to tell you, man,
Speaker 2: say that motherfucking money man, because I wish i'd. I mean,
Speaker 2: I know you motherfuckers make way more money than what
Speaker 2: the fuck I was making, But I won't give a fuck.
Speaker 2: Man say that money. Man, Be more professional about what
Speaker 2: you're doing. Man, you'll get more the deals.
Speaker 3: And what you're getting.
Speaker 1: Boy, well, there's no question I think. You know, obviously
Speaker 1: he was on the trajectory to be the face of
Speaker 1: the league, hands down, and I think obviously all the
Speaker 1: stuff that's come as way negative is unfortunately been self
Speaker 1: self inflicted. You know, obviously he got hurt, but the
Speaker 1: off the court trouble, it wasn't because of anyone else
Speaker 1: doing anything. It's because of him, and that affects the
Speaker 1: bottom line across the board, because I mean his he
Speaker 1: has a great shoe, and his shoe was on pace
Speaker 1: to this is right when Kyrie was leaving, so they
Speaker 1: needed the shoe to take it. And how I judge
Speaker 1: shoes is how many shoes do I see it the
Speaker 1: AU tournament and obviously in Josh shoe on everybody and
Speaker 1: now I don't and now I don't, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So that's affecting the bottom line. And both
Speaker 1: you and I were villains, and and and all this
Speaker 1: comes from a loving perspective. Is it's okay to embrace
Speaker 1: that ship. But he has to realize something that he's
Speaker 1: in that upper and he's in that superstar stratus. He's
Speaker 1: in the superstar stratus with one of the best American players.
Speaker 1: We talk about the you know, the the the over
Speaker 1: overseas dominance of great Jaws, one of the great American
Speaker 1: hopes that we have him and Tatum, you know, Booker,
Speaker 1: there's a handful of guys that we have that you
Speaker 1: know that we're gonna put our hat on, and he
Speaker 1: has to be one of them. So I hope that
Speaker 1: he kind of he gets this shit out of his system.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, you never want anything
Speaker 1: to be louder than your play. And unfortunately the antics,
Speaker 1: the antics have been louder than his play. And I
Speaker 1: just hope for the sake of him and his greatness, uh,
Speaker 1: he allows his play to get back to the forefront
Speaker 1: because I think as fans, that's all we want to
Speaker 1: see Max. Max is coming to La next week. Man,
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I got my outfits already laid. I
Speaker 1: got my outfits already laid. Yeah, what were doing?
Speaker 2: Oh I'm gonna have mine too. Oh I'm ready. Hey,
Speaker 2: y'all getting ready, mad Mask.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, we're gonna be live streaming next week shooting
Speaker 1: some content. Really excited again to have you in the
Speaker 1: family and have you out man. But thank you for
Speaker 1: joining me today and ship. We'll see you in LA
Speaker 1: next week.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 3: Appreciate it. Man, have me on plug man.
Speaker 2: Hey, y'all, have a good day, man, stay best my people,
Speaker 2: burn one for old Max.
Speaker 1: Now I want to welcome one of my personal friends,
Speaker 1: one of the good guys in the game, Phil Handy Phil.
Speaker 1: What's up man, My.
Speaker 4: Guy, Matt?
Speaker 1: How's everything?
Speaker 4: Everything's good man, It's good to be here. Hey.
Speaker 1: You're normally really prepping for the playoffs right now and
Speaker 1: kind of getting them playoff grind. What does it kind
Speaker 1: of feel like, you know, for the first time in
Speaker 1: a lot of years to kind of just have your
Speaker 1: april not doing that.
Speaker 4: Miss it. It's been an adjustment, you know, just being
Speaker 4: used to being in, like you said, playoff Mold preparing
Speaker 4: end of the season for me, man, it's been a
Speaker 4: great it's been a great mental physical breakset to just
Speaker 4: kind of step away and reset, man, and really be
Speaker 4: able to watch the game from Afar and.
Speaker 1: Just as a fan. Now it don't have to be exus.
Speaker 4: No, I don't have no emotional attachments. You know. I
Speaker 4: still still watch a lot of the guys that I've
Speaker 4: had a chance to coach. You know, Look, I watch Austin,
Speaker 4: you know, I watched RUI. Obviously me and Bron have
Speaker 4: a lot of history. But being able to watch from
Speaker 4: Afar and see these guys and just like you said,
Speaker 4: not not having any attachment and being happy for them
Speaker 4: whether they win, whether they lose, it's a it's a good,
Speaker 4: good feeling to be there.
Speaker 1: You brought up Austin reeves, in my opinion, the best
Speaker 1: third option in the game, but of late his numbers
Speaker 1: have been off the chart. Did you see that in him?
Speaker 4: Younger?
Speaker 1: Is this this new? Because to me, it's all confidence.
Speaker 1: Obviously he works on this game, but I think it's
Speaker 1: the belief in himself that he can go out there
Speaker 1: and do it night and night out. And he's at
Speaker 1: what is his last ten games or I mean games
Speaker 1: plas six.
Speaker 5: Fourteen, He's twenty six, five and five shooting forty five
Speaker 5: fifty ninety five.
Speaker 1: And keep it real, he might have one of the
Speaker 1: deepest bags in the game. With our other brother Kyrie
Speaker 1: on the sideline right now. I mean that's I mean, Phil,
Speaker 1: what's going on?
Speaker 4: Phil?
Speaker 1: I know you put some groceries in that bag.
Speaker 4: I saw that from day one? Did you really day one? Look?
Speaker 4: I tell this story. The first time I met Austin,
Speaker 4: he was playing for our summer league team. He went undrafted.
Speaker 4: He went undrafted. He was playing for our summer league team,
Speaker 4: and I had never really I never met him, but
Speaker 4: I saw clips of him playing college. So people think
Speaker 4: this is just now matter. If you go back and
Speaker 4: you watch a couple of his games at Oklahoma, he
Speaker 4: got some shit with him like he back then. I
Speaker 4: was like, hold up, man, just the chip on his shoulder,
Speaker 4: and so I saw it. I went to the summer
Speaker 4: league game and he wasn't shooting the ball, and it
Speaker 4: was crazy. You asked Austin today. It was halftime. I
Speaker 4: walked over and say, man, come here. Never met. I said,
Speaker 4: you want to make this team, you need to shoot
Speaker 4: the fucking ball, Like bro, you out here said, shoot
Speaker 4: the ball man, you want to make this team. So
Speaker 4: you know, that second half he played well. But when
Speaker 4: Summer League was over and I had a chance to
Speaker 4: get in the gym with him, right away, I saw
Speaker 4: it and it wasn't so much his skill or his
Speaker 4: shot making. It was just his inner belief. Like that
Speaker 4: kid had had a SUPERB chip on his shoulder. Man,
Speaker 4: and people people don't really know like his story. He
Speaker 4: went through Summer League. You know that year, his first year,
Speaker 4: we had Russ, we had Carmelo, we had Trevor, We
Speaker 4: had all these veterans on our team, right and that
Speaker 4: was you know, we had our little bron has his
Speaker 4: little camp in Vegas. We had our mini camp. Austin
Speaker 4: Reeves was the best player in the gym. He was
Speaker 4: the best player in the gym and he started out
Speaker 4: as a two way. When that camp was over, the
Speaker 4: Lakers signed him.
Speaker 1: I love to hear shit like that.
Speaker 4: And so he just b his moxie, his his confidence.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't come up not to cut you out.
Speaker 1: It doesn't come off as cockiness. His confidence and belief
Speaker 1: in himself. I felt that when I'm around him. You know,
Speaker 1: he told an interesting story. We interviewed him, and he's
Speaker 1: just like you know. They figured that they had a
Speaker 1: couple of chances to possibly get picked later in the
Speaker 1: second round, and they told the teams not to draft them,
Speaker 1: and him and his team did a study and found
Speaker 1: out that the Lakers would be a great fit for him.
Speaker 1: And to see him tell that story, to hear the
Speaker 1: stories you told us, and just to see where he is.
Speaker 1: Is it five years later? For is it year four?
Speaker 1: It's year four, year four? To me? Naming better third
Speaker 1: I don't think you can name it better if that's
Speaker 1: your third option.
Speaker 4: That's doing this third option. And my vote for most
Speaker 4: improved player. People not talking about they're not like that.
Speaker 4: He should be in that category. And if not, the leader,
Speaker 4: tell me another player, tell me another player that's played.
Speaker 1: You can't to that level.
Speaker 4: And just the body of work man.
Speaker 1: And on that stage, I mean, I feel we all know.
Speaker 1: I mean, coming to this Laker stage is a lot
Speaker 1: that you could be a killer somewhere else, but it
Speaker 1: takes a real killer to be madam.
Speaker 4: You see Austin. Austin is a hoodie sweats.
Speaker 1: He's he'll billy, he's hill billy golf.
Speaker 4: He don't he don't care about none of that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know for him the lights that man whatever, Hooper,
Speaker 4: let's go Hoop.
Speaker 1: I love it man, Congratulations bro, keep doing your thing.
Speaker 1: Unrivaled first year in existence. From a coaching standpoint and
Speaker 1: just a fan of the game, how did you drive?
Speaker 4: How'd you like it? Totally different game? Like who man
Speaker 4: that listen? That three on three full court concept is
Speaker 4: pretty dope. Like it's it's dope to coach it. It's
Speaker 4: tough for the athletes to play it. But just the
Speaker 4: whole concept of being able to play in space shortened court.
Speaker 4: You know, you just think about when you go to
Speaker 4: a gym and you get a couple of dudes and
Speaker 4: you play three on three full court. It's a good workout.
Speaker 4: This is a little bit of a shortened court. It's
Speaker 4: customized to it. And man, I just the game is
Speaker 4: fast paced, it's physical. You know a lot of people
Speaker 4: didn't really understand just these ladies are physical and they
Speaker 4: play fast in this setting. So one, you better be
Speaker 4: in shape. Two you better be able to defend just
Speaker 4: a little bit, not just a little bit, right, you
Speaker 4: get put on that island on three on three in
Speaker 4: a full course setting, it's pretty tough, but man, just
Speaker 4: the whole concept. Unrival did a great job in their
Speaker 4: first year. You know, there's always some kinks and things
Speaker 4: you got to figure out, but to pull this off
Speaker 4: the way they did in such a ginormous way for
Speaker 4: these ladies, man, was it was a big time, big
Speaker 4: time opportunity for the ladies, for the coaches, everybody involved.
Speaker 4: It was really good.
Speaker 1: I know you've always been close to the women's game
Speaker 1: and trained it and coached it now, but are there
Speaker 1: some of the lays that surprised you still? Yes, during
Speaker 1: this run.
Speaker 4: Man, listen for me having an opportunity to really step
Speaker 4: into the W and and be in their environment. Man,
Speaker 4: it's some hoopers and I was completely not caught off guard.
Speaker 4: But just like I wasn't familiar, Like I knew a
Speaker 4: lot of the ladies and seen them play, but to
Speaker 4: see them up close and see them some of these
Speaker 4: ladies that probably don't get a chance to do on
Speaker 4: their teams in the W they were able to come
Speaker 4: to Unrivaled and just showcase, at least for me, some
Speaker 4: things that I hadn't seen. So like Alyssa Gray, Alicia,
Speaker 4: I want to make sure I pronounced I had not
Speaker 4: seen her play. She was out there getting to it,
Speaker 4: you know, like she was hitting threes, you know, in
Speaker 4: the handle and I mean just playing free. So for me,
Speaker 4: that's one example, Like even I had never really been
Speaker 4: around Courtney Vandersloup, you know, savvy Vet just really there's
Speaker 4: a list, man, there's a long list of being able
Speaker 4: to watch these ladies up close. It was really eye
Speaker 4: opening for me, but not in the sense of being surprised.
Speaker 4: I knew they can hoop, but when you get close
Speaker 4: to them, like, okay, I'll take it.
Speaker 1: Really it's different too. I mean you'll see fans would
Speaker 1: see if NBA guys are playing in the summer, that
Speaker 1: freedom to kind of play your game and not have
Speaker 1: to play your role as a whole other monster, and
Speaker 1: you get to see different sides and really how good
Speaker 1: people are you.
Speaker 4: Know, work on your craft? Right? Look, I think that's
Speaker 4: where this is where I unvivled for the women's game.
Speaker 4: A lot of people ask me, We'll where can the
Speaker 4: women's game grow? The development piece in the side, they
Speaker 4: don't have time to develop most of these ladies what
Speaker 4: they played in w and then they go to Europe, right,
Speaker 4: so they play year round or then they have some
Speaker 4: Olympic responsibilities. This was the first time that this group
Speaker 4: of ladies said, I'm not gonna go to Europe. We're
Speaker 4: gonna take ten weeks and we're gonna work on our
Speaker 4: game and then we're gonna play. So they had an
Speaker 4: opportunity to really understand what do these NBA guys do
Speaker 4: seasons over what they do. They take care of the bodies,
Speaker 4: they go work in the game. There's a development piece.
Speaker 4: So I think that's where the w or women's basketball
Speaker 4: on the highest level is gonna see the biggest growth.
Speaker 4: Now they have time to really focus on the development.
Speaker 4: Let me focus on my body, let me get in
Speaker 4: the weight room, let me do all these other things
Speaker 4: that we've never done before. And I think the curve
Speaker 4: is going to take maybe three to five years for
Speaker 4: them to get used to it, for the coaches to
Speaker 4: get used to it, and then just that become part
Speaker 4: of just the whole women's ecosystem of how how they improved.
Speaker 4: Do you think it's a good question? You know, I
Speaker 4: think you will. I would be if I was a
Speaker 4: betting man. You know, I think you can see it.
Speaker 4: I think this year for her, she needed the break.
Speaker 4: She went right from college into the w so she
Speaker 4: again just not having no time off. I would be
Speaker 4: surprised if she if she never plays.
Speaker 1: Shout out to everybody. I mean the concept, the execution,
Speaker 1: the ability to pay these women some good money so
Speaker 1: that they can do everything you spoke about. What was
Speaker 1: the what were the facilities like and rooming, everything was
Speaker 1: where it needed to.
Speaker 4: Be, excellent, top notch. So they picked you know, they
Speaker 4: took this sound stage kind of place out Durral, Florida,
Speaker 4: which is out by the airport, and they gutted the
Speaker 4: whole place, built an arena custom arena said about nine
Speaker 4: hundred people. They built a practice court behind the arena.
Speaker 4: They had a weight room, hot cold tub, sauna, nutrition,
Speaker 4: recovery everything. They had daycare, they had podcast studios, they
Speaker 4: had estheticians, they had a makeup room. But they went
Speaker 4: all out.
Speaker 1: It's well, the shit you don't think of, you know, care,
Speaker 1: it's just shit you don't think of. These women have to,
Speaker 1: you know, hurdle over to be able to accomplish their goals.
Speaker 1: So man shout out to everybody in unrival Man beautiful
Speaker 1: first season. Definitely looking forward to the second season. On
Speaker 1: a little bit of a sour note. Juju and Kyrie
Speaker 1: both acls, two people you know very well to put
Speaker 1: people you've worked very closely with. Have you got a
Speaker 1: chance to speak to them? And what's this journey like?
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people understand the journey
Speaker 1: from injuries like this, the dark days, the days I
Speaker 1: want to say fucking quit, the good days and the
Speaker 1: better Like, what is this journey going to be like
Speaker 1: for both of them in two different stages of their career.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Man, I've talked to both of them numerous times since,
Speaker 4: you know, been on FaceTime with Kyrie a few times.
Speaker 4: Kay gets it. You know, he's been he's he's been
Speaker 4: injured before. So his mind of just understanding what this
Speaker 4: process is like is for him, it's like, I'm just
Speaker 4: gonna take the time, get my body right, get my
Speaker 4: mind right, spend time with my family.
Speaker 1: And I like he show he's talking a little bit more.
Speaker 1: He's kind of coming out.
Speaker 4: Of his streams and people are going to get a
Speaker 4: chance to see another side of Kay. So for him, man,
Speaker 4: this is not what he wanted, you know, obviously with
Speaker 4: the degree of some of the things that happened with
Speaker 4: their team. But he's in a good place man, in
Speaker 4: the sense of just understanding what this is about, and
Speaker 4: so he's he's prepared for the journey.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Juju, on the other hand, was a little different. You know,
Speaker 4: young athletes. Just the first time she's ever been injured,
Speaker 4: and you know, just a natural thing as a young athlete,
Speaker 4: her own personal goals. Just in the NCAA tournament, the
Speaker 4: expectations and the first couple of days for her were
Speaker 4: really tough just from a mental standpoint. But man, she's
Speaker 4: got a great her inner circle, her family, her parents.
Speaker 4: You know, I had a chance to talk with her
Speaker 4: a number of times. We went to lunch, and she's
Speaker 4: on the other side of that now. Yeah, she's like,
Speaker 4: She's like, Phil, I'm man, I'm ready. I'm gonna come
Speaker 4: back stronger. I understand that this is gonna be good
Speaker 4: for me. I can work on my body. I get
Speaker 4: a chance to work on other parts of the game
Speaker 4: from a mental standpoint, you know, let me let me
Speaker 4: understand the game from an IQ standpoint and dive into
Speaker 4: those areas. So she's already she's already tracking in the
Speaker 4: sense of I'm gonna be ready for this to come back.
Speaker 1: It's a mental monster, and I think what's different is
Speaker 1: that this is, unfortunately, but to their benefits, more of
Speaker 1: a common injury Now. Aco used to be a huge
Speaker 1: deal back in the day. Now it's a little, it's
Speaker 1: more common. Medicine has improved. I'm definitely decided to see,
Speaker 1: you know, her journey and her growth and you know,
Speaker 1: obviously can Kai back out there and him kind of
Speaker 1: showing different sides and kind of, like you said, understanding
Speaker 1: what it is now. I mean, even with Juju's injury,
Speaker 1: she damn near swept the award season, would an award,
Speaker 1: AP Player of the Year, Natesmith Player of the Year,
Speaker 1: Women's us USB A, us b w A Player of
Speaker 1: the Year. I mean, what have you seen before injury again,
Speaker 1: because you've been working with for a long time, just
Speaker 1: kind of those steps that she's gradually been making.
Speaker 4: You know what I love about her this year, Matt.
Speaker 4: We obviously, you know, before I left one on arrival,
Speaker 4: you know, we work out at least twice a week.
Speaker 4: But when I left, she was like film, you know,
Speaker 4: let's let's we gotta get on zoom. We gotta watch film.
Speaker 4: So we we were trying to watch film at least
Speaker 4: once a week, on zoom take some of her games
Speaker 4: and just the student. The student part of the game
Speaker 4: is where she's really trying to have the growth. I
Speaker 4: think a lot of people look at Juju and just
Speaker 4: see her talent, but she's like talked about her just
Speaker 4: having her basketball IQ rise to the same level as
Speaker 4: her talent.
Speaker 1: Gary Boy scared.
Speaker 4: That's where she's That's where I really love. Like we
Speaker 4: would watch film and she was always always curious, what
Speaker 4: about this, how do I read this? Okay, what's what's here?
Speaker 4: And that part of the game for her, I saw
Speaker 4: a lot of growth in terms of just her understanding
Speaker 4: just her gravity and then how can I how can
Speaker 4: I get better at making my teammates better? And so
Speaker 4: just you know, just that part of the game for her.
Speaker 4: Man she was She's always been very open to understanding
Speaker 4: it's more to it, and then you know her, she
Speaker 4: used the word anxious. She's like, sometimes I feel anxious
Speaker 4: when I'm on the floor. In terms of scoring, I'm like, Jude,
Speaker 4: you got the ball every possession. You don't have to
Speaker 4: be anxious, right, the ball's gonna find you. So now,
Speaker 4: how can you just slow the game down? Read the game?
Speaker 4: If your teammates are open, throw them just a simple pass.
Speaker 1: Just though that next level, that mental side. I know
Speaker 1: that's something he wants to dominate as well, like that
Speaker 1: mental aspect and focus. And I've told this story before,
Speaker 1: but just him understanding. We were on a flight to
Speaker 1: Spain and he had a bunch of courts and he
Speaker 1: was figuring out where the rest of us were going
Speaker 1: to be open at because he's watching the guy. Now,
Speaker 1: he's not watching the guy guarden him. He has one
Speaker 1: eye on the help and the other eye on the
Speaker 1: third defender. So where do I see you guys open that.
Speaker 1: It's just that next level. And like you said, for
Speaker 1: her mental, if her mental catches up to her skill set,
Speaker 1: she has a chance to be the greatest coming ever.
Speaker 4: It's coming. Well you heard it from Matt, you hear
Speaker 4: from me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I ain't gonna lie to you. Speaking of the
Speaker 1: breakdown dynamic, I mean, we've been talking about what are
Speaker 1: we gonna do together? And then obviously unrivaled happened. But
Speaker 1: we need to put our plan together. Man, we got
Speaker 1: to get you in the mix, in the loop. You're
Speaker 1: already a part of the family, but we really got
Speaker 1: to put your because I think your mind is incredibly
Speaker 1: You're just you're you're, You're a Jedi when it comes
Speaker 1: to this ship, and not only on the court, but
Speaker 1: off the court, the mental side, and the film side,
Speaker 1: and the breakdown side and the visionary side of it.
Speaker 1: So we definitely gotta get back.
Speaker 4: I don't know if they're ready for it, Matt ready
Speaker 4: or not.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker, I don't know they're ready for it.
Speaker 4: We're gonna go deep into the bag man looking forward
Speaker 4: to breaking news.
Speaker 3: The Nuggets just fired Mike Malono.
Speaker 4: They lost four to row.
Speaker 3: And they just fired him now And this is the
Speaker 3: second coach that this laten season. This doesn't happen.
Speaker 4: So they fired the Grizzlies coach season the four games
Speaker 4: before at the end of the regular.
Speaker 1: Seasons, going to coach at one of the Yoga's brothers, Zan Keith.
Speaker 1: This late the season is crazy. I mean, normally I
Speaker 1: see if around All Star, but I mean, you're a
Speaker 1: week from the playoff, two weeks from the playoffs, you're
Speaker 1: the fourth seed right now, a game and a half
Speaker 1: back from the third seed, and your coach is gone.
Speaker 5: Game Peel, you played in the league forever I've had
Speaker 5: I've coached the league for fourteen man right now, I'm
Speaker 5: trying to I am the NBA in turn to look
Speaker 5: that that phrase, I've used this phrase for people as
Speaker 5: coaches of us.
Speaker 4: We get hired to get fired. That is a real
Speaker 4: phrase in the NBA. And it's unfortunate, like you always
Speaker 4: try to wonder, like what the hell is going on
Speaker 4: behind closed doors for Mike Malone to get fired, what's
Speaker 4: going on behind closed doors for Taylor Jenkins to get fired?
Speaker 4: And again it's a it's an unfortunate part of the business.
Speaker 4: But I'm I'm completely shocked, it's crazy by that one.
Speaker 4: And it's just as coaches, we know we come into
Speaker 4: this environment, the great Popovitch of the world, the Steve
Speaker 4: Curz of the world, you know, the Eric Sposer of
Speaker 4: the world. That's their tenures. Those those tenures, man, are
Speaker 4: those it's not it's not used to if you're a
Speaker 4: head coach or if you're on a coaching staff somewhere
Speaker 4: for four or five years, that's great, that's great longevity.
Speaker 1: Because obviously it's more and we're not insinuating that had
Speaker 1: anything to do with the players, but just the players
Speaker 1: run the league now like there used to be a
Speaker 1: line of of respect for coaches. And there was the
Speaker 1: coaches where the highway when I came to the league
Speaker 1: in the early two thousands. Now it's the players wear
Speaker 1: the highway. And again I'm not we're not insinuated by
Speaker 1: any means this is a player move or anything like that.
Speaker 1: It's just the players have more power now, so the
Speaker 1: tenures of coaches are it's always going to be the coach.
Speaker 1: It's going to be the scapego because the players are
Speaker 1: making too much money.
Speaker 4: That's the part of business that I have a problem
Speaker 4: with in terms of how coaches are always the one
Speaker 4: that's thrown under the bus. Look, everybody has a job
Speaker 4: to do, right. I always say you have a job.
Speaker 4: I make no qualms about it. But there's so much
Speaker 4: stuff that goes into that that the coach is always
Speaker 4: the first one at the doorstep, and there's always other
Speaker 4: pieces to it. You know, there could be there could
Speaker 4: be some decisions that the front office may have made
Speaker 4: for your team that you had nothing to do with, Right,
Speaker 4: but your adult your dealt the cards of having to
Speaker 4: coach certain guys and if they don't play well, it's
Speaker 4: your fault.
Speaker 1: You're the one their decisions they made.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Sometimes so it's there's always a bigger picture to it, man.
Speaker 1: So always more to it. Man, very solid coach, MANBA champion.
Speaker 1: I've heard I've heard a lot of people speak really
Speaker 1: highly of Mike Moves. I'm sure you know when he's ready,
Speaker 1: he'll land back on his feet. But four games before
Speaker 1: the playoffs is insane. The men's tournament, we just watched
Speaker 1: the culmination, uh the other night of the championship. Before
Speaker 1: we get there, I want to talk about Duke and
Speaker 1: obviously them slipping up and execution down the stretch wasn't
Speaker 1: what it needed to be to get past Houston. But
Speaker 1: Cooper Flag potential number one pick in the draft. As
Speaker 1: a basketball mind, what do you like and what have
Speaker 1: you seen from Cooper Man?
Speaker 4: His size, his athleticism, his mobility, just just his overall skill.
Speaker 4: I've really been surprised by the kid, because again I
Speaker 4: didn't have a chance to really watch him in high school,
Speaker 4: but just what I've seen of him at Duke Man,
Speaker 4: that kid is a kid has has a has a
Speaker 4: deep deep too. His bag is pretty deep.
Speaker 1: And he got a motor. That's one of my what
Speaker 1: I'm talking.
Speaker 4: About, Like, you don't usually don't see kids with that size,
Speaker 4: like his motor, like the ability, and just how he
Speaker 4: plays the game. It's gonna resonate well at the next
Speaker 4: long any reclass.
Speaker 1: He jumped up when everyone's trying to hold back two three,
Speaker 1: four years and be twenty seven or twenty eight playing
Speaker 1: college basketball.
Speaker 4: That's rare.
Speaker 1: He was a real seventeen year old when he came
Speaker 1: to college.
Speaker 4: That's rare right there.
Speaker 1: So Bechel definitely looking forward to seeing what he does
Speaker 1: on the next So there was whispers him possibly going
Speaker 1: back one more year. I don't think that's gonna I
Speaker 1: think there's too much money on the table. But shit,
Speaker 1: if anyone can do it, it'll be Cooper.
Speaker 4: You live in that college life.
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 4: People don't understand.
Speaker 1: And now hold ony too. Now you get some money
Speaker 1: ten million next to that college life.
Speaker 4: Man, you the king.
Speaker 1: I got twenty five hundred every three months. You couldn't
Speaker 1: tell me shit.
Speaker 4: Can Look, if he's decided to stay, he's an il deal.
Speaker 4: It's not like he's not gonna make them money. Kid
Speaker 4: will make some money.
Speaker 1: And he'll have the insurance clause. Sure make sure everything
Speaker 1: is good on the other side. But I would love
Speaker 1: to see him play with the boozer boys. Florida crazy game.
Speaker 1: You get a chance to watch the game, only watch
Speaker 1: part of it.
Speaker 4: Great, you see the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Houston is some fucking dogs. Calvin Sampson had them boys
Speaker 1: playing out of their mind. But Florida, to me, stayed in,
Speaker 1: you know, striking distance. And Clayton didn't have the best game,
Speaker 1: but I think his teammates held him down the entire
Speaker 1: time and they were able to. You know, we were
Speaker 1: watching the game. I was like, yo, if he gets
Speaker 1: if he gets the double digits, he gets twelve, thirteen,
Speaker 1: fourteen points, they're gonna win. And sure enough, he hit
Speaker 1: it some you know, three down the stretch, got to
Speaker 1: the foul line, saw the ball go through the hoop,
Speaker 1: and Florida was able to pull off a good one.
Speaker 4: Man. So is it Todd Todd? Is it Todd Gholsting?
Speaker 4: Is how you pronounced his last name? Head coach?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 4: I'm saying it because I used to I used to
Speaker 4: train Todd. Did you really he was at Saint Mary's College?
Speaker 1: Is he the youngest or one of the youngest coaches
Speaker 1: that ever win it?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Since like Jim Valvano or something, right, yeah. Also zero
Speaker 1: five stars in the final game.
Speaker 4: And Todd is man, congrats young fella. But sniper, he
Speaker 4: himself was a sniper. Really shoot that thing man. So
Speaker 4: just seeing him on the sidelines and seeing his his
Speaker 4: growth mm hm is incredible. Man. Extremely happy for him
Speaker 4: and what he's been able to do. But just what
Speaker 4: I did see was Florida this year when I had
Speaker 4: a chance to watch just a cohesiveness as a team,
Speaker 4: the unit, like there is no that is a team
Speaker 4: and understanding, now, look, we're we're gonna all do this
Speaker 4: and tip in and do it together. And that's what
Speaker 4: you see, you know, for them to be able to
Speaker 4: be national champions.
Speaker 1: The most valuable player of the Final four was a
Speaker 1: zero star basketball recruit. Right, he was a football player first?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Or is that the other guy that was a football
Speaker 1: player but just zero stars and he ends up being
Speaker 1: the most valuable player in the Final four and winning
Speaker 1: a national championship. The game has changed, feel too. And
Speaker 1: then this is something I haven't necessarily been a fan of,
Speaker 1: but I understand it because it's it's an option. But
Speaker 1: just the age of kids playing outside of this duke team,
Speaker 1: a lot of these teams were older teams that you know,
Speaker 1: had three star, maybe some four star guys that have
Speaker 1: been around, but no real five star. And on the
Speaker 1: flip side, I think, you know the egos. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying five stars be tripping, but a good
Speaker 1: chunk of five stars kind of have a different mindset.
Speaker 1: But these teams are getting these older guys that have
Speaker 1: kind of been around for a while and then able
Speaker 1: to build teams with them and make you look at
Speaker 1: the Auburns and you know, you look at you look
Speaker 1: at Houston, you know, have some older guys. The new
Speaker 1: landscape of college basketball I'm not a big fan of. Again,
Speaker 1: I understand, I don't blame the players by any means.
Speaker 1: I don't blame the coaches by any means, but you know,
Speaker 1: I saw Rick Patino at one point say, hey, this offseason,
Speaker 1: we're not recruiting any high school kids. What can the
Speaker 1: high school kid do? And it just got me thinking,
Speaker 1: like college is supposed to be for kids trying to
Speaker 1: turn into men, and now the college is for men
Speaker 1: with kids taking time away from other kids.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I'm with you on that. Man. I think
Speaker 4: there's so many caveats college game. Now one college basketball
Speaker 4: is not what it used to be. It's free agency. Now.
Speaker 4: Now look, I'm all for the athletes. I love that
Speaker 4: the kids are getting paid, right, But what the NCAA
Speaker 4: has done, they just created the wild wild West. To me,
Speaker 4: no boundaries, no rules in the sense of of with
Speaker 4: the n I LS. Right, you talk about the nils
Speaker 4: and these contracts, how can you help prepare these young
Speaker 4: men to be professional athletes? Right? So give them some boundaries.
Speaker 4: All right, fine, we're gonna we're gonna pay you and
Speaker 4: give you n I L. But you signed this contract,
Speaker 4: whether it be two years, then you're committed to that
Speaker 4: contract or you have to pay the buy out one
Speaker 4: of the rules, right, make some rules to where everybody's protected. Coaches, players,
Speaker 4: all all alike. But the portal. And again I've learned,
Speaker 4: been learning more. That's what has exiled high school kids.
Speaker 4: You know, now you and then you take all of
Speaker 4: these rules. Now, what's the new rules? Junior college players
Speaker 4: have junior college years or they don't count. I went
Speaker 4: to JUCO, you know, and so when no one out,
Speaker 4: Juko only had two years left or a year left.
Speaker 4: Now these are exemple So look, I think there's two
Speaker 4: sides of it. As a coach, I would like mature players. Right,
Speaker 4: As a coach, you want mature players. That kind of
Speaker 4: really hurts the young players because some of them are
Speaker 4: gonna need time to to raise that level of maturity,
Speaker 4: not just mentally but physically the whole piece. So you
Speaker 4: take these guys that are four year, five year, six years,
Speaker 4: sixth year, I mean it's now you have a team
Speaker 4: of experienced players that.
Speaker 1: And it shows like we know the game and understanding.
Speaker 1: That's why we don't blame the players or the coaches,
Speaker 1: because I mean, you want to win. But that's the
Speaker 1: one reason why I was rooting for Duke, because Duke
Speaker 1: had four freshmen that were instrumental in their run.
Speaker 4: You got you got two.
Speaker 1: Boys, Yeah you go, I'm coming with the two young
Speaker 1: bucks that you boys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you want opportunity boys to go through.
Speaker 1: And like I said, it was just it was weird
Speaker 1: because you know, when we're you're a little bit older
Speaker 1: than me. When we were coming up, we always played
Speaker 1: always played up. We never wanted to play down. We
Speaker 1: never wanted to hold back or hold back twice like
Speaker 1: what like what are you running from? Like I was
Speaker 1: in eighth grade walking across street, playing with the varsity team,
Speaker 1: like and just just the game has changed so much.
Speaker 4: That's why you get better. Yeah, get your head cracked.
Speaker 1: Because there's only so much you can running, you can
Speaker 1: do only so much jumping in the port, transfering. I'm
Speaker 1: hitting some adversity, I'm not gonna take it on the
Speaker 1: chin and I'm gonna run.
Speaker 4: Get tired of get tired of getting whooped. That's what
Speaker 4: that's only, that's what motivates you. Be Like, Okay, what
Speaker 4: I'm coming back for y'all?
Speaker 1: Phil, We're gonna see you back in the league. What's
Speaker 1: going on?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: I know that's the personal question, But is that something
Speaker 1: are we gonna Is that something you're looking into this?
Speaker 1: You know, obviously having a nice little break and doing
Speaker 1: something different with the unrivaled, but when we see you
Speaker 1: back in the NBA eighties.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I'm looking out for now. Man, I'm a
Speaker 4: coach at like I'm a coach at hard now. So
Speaker 4: for me, it's really about the right opportunity. I've had
Speaker 4: a chance to as a coach, experience everything, winning at
Speaker 4: the highest level, experienced coaching some of the best players.
Speaker 4: I just want to be able to continue to impact
Speaker 4: the game. With the players and then whatever organization, I'm
Speaker 4: working for the value of what I bring as a
Speaker 4: coach in terms of the development. That's just the easy.
Speaker 4: But I think people don't really a lot of people
Speaker 4: don't understand who I am as a coach with the
Speaker 4: x'es and O's.
Speaker 1: Talk about that because I think you've been laid well
Speaker 1: rightfully so, because you are one of the best in
Speaker 1: that space, is one of the best player development. But
Speaker 1: there's so much more to your coaching and to your philosophy.
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes labels, even if people think it's oh,
Speaker 1: he's one of the best developing, there's so much more
Speaker 1: to you and that label can sometimes hurt you when
Speaker 1: organizations are looking for can this guy run my franchise?
Speaker 1: M And I'm a firm believer there's people like you
Speaker 1: and Rico Hines that can be head coaches of NBA
Speaker 1: teams but are labeled as developing guys.
Speaker 4: I mean, you got to start somewhere. Everybody evolves, everybody
Speaker 4: gets better. You name me one head coach that's in
Speaker 4: the NBA now that started out where they are. They
Speaker 4: all came in some way, whether they were video coordinators
Speaker 4: or scouts, and they work their way up into being
Speaker 4: in that position. My journey is no different, man, just's
Speaker 4: I want to say, it's a blessing and a curse
Speaker 4: sometimes because I've been really good at my job, right,
Speaker 4: but in that process, man, Man, you want to talk
Speaker 4: about my education, the coaches that I've coached under, I
Speaker 4: have a high level education. Mike Brown, Mike D'Antoni, t Lou,
Speaker 4: David Blatt, Nick Nurse, Frank Vogel, you know, even Darvin
Speaker 4: Ham Like, that's some high level coaches. And my bag
Speaker 4: of understanding the game from a defense and an offense
Speaker 4: and schemes. Man, I have probably the best, one of
Speaker 4: the best to mentor and tutoring aspects of understanding the
Speaker 4: game from all different angles. And so for me, it's
Speaker 4: just just the right opportunity, man. You know, I don't
Speaker 4: I don't feel bad or get angry that people try
Speaker 4: to put me in that box. It's just, you know,
Speaker 4: when the time comes and I have an opportunity to
Speaker 4: interview for the right people, they will understand about my
Speaker 4: knowledge and who I am. I am as a coach.
Speaker 4: The development piece is just that was just my avenue
Speaker 4: to become an NBA coach, and so over the years,
Speaker 4: I've had a chance to really grow and become better
Speaker 4: at my craft.
Speaker 1: We'll feel man, thank you for you.
Speaker 3: Calvin Booth.
Speaker 4: Booth's third year.
Speaker 1: He came in for Conley, who is the one that
Speaker 1: really put that team together.
Speaker 4: In the Minnesota right Something's going on internally, man, Yeah,
Speaker 4: something something internally behind the doors.
Speaker 1: Calvin Booth is out, Mike Malone is out four games
Speaker 1: before the playoffs. Ship is going on in Denver. Stay tuned,
Speaker 1: Stay tuned because to me, I mean Denver is still
Speaker 1: one of those teams that has the pedigree and they're
Speaker 1: an older team because the West is top heavy with
Speaker 1: young teams. So we know, you know, to beat the
Speaker 1: team seven times in.
Speaker 4: The mix.
Speaker 1: If you want to losing for in a row before that,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, just is that reason to fire something.
Speaker 1: We'll peel. Appreciate your time, man, We'll definitely catch up.
Speaker 4: Appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. That's a wrap for Unplugged. Hope you
Speaker 1: guys enjoyed this week. You can catch this on the
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Speaker 1: you guys this week.