WEBVTT - Whole Squad Ready | Ticket to the Draft Podcast | Washington Commanders | NFL 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.200 On this episode of Ticket the Draft Podcast, we have 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:05.560 Trevor Sikima from PFF in the house. He talks all 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:08.400 rookies and how they're going to fit in the Commander's organization. 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:11.119 He's reevaluating his draft grade. Did he bump it up? 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:13.680 And it was already super high? And we talked Drake May 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:16.800 versus Jayden Daniels. Is the debate already over about who 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:18.639 was the right pick for the Commanders and we do 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:19.800 bold predictions. 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:27.600 It all starts right now. Welcome into the Ticket of 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:28.320 the Draft podcast. 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:30.920 I'm Logan Paulson here with Jessic Guy Jason, and shortly 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:34.320 we'll have Trevor Sikima. He calls himself the lead draft analyst, 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:36.280 but he does, like I think he said, like six 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:37.760 or seven shows for PFF. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:39.120 He does a great job. 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:42.120 Provides excellent insight on our draft class, what he saw 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:45.000 from them in the preseason. It's incredible. His ability to 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:50.000 recall information, watch all the NFL stuff while prepping for 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:52.839 the twenty twenty five draft, It's incredible, man. He has 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:53.360 great insight. 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:57.080 Yeah, if you like college football, if you like rookies, 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:59.720 if you like the draft process, leading and cleaning combine 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:04.400 see Bowl. If you like football, you will like Trevor Sikama. 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:09.880 He is he's so in it. Yeah, and I I 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:12.360 wonder what he does when he goes home at night, right, 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:15.000 Like how does he turn it off? Because that's all 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:17.679 he does is football all the time. Like it's hard 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:21.120 enough I think for me personally to keep up with 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:24.280 what's going on with the Commanders plus the division plus 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:26.520 a conference than the league. And he's like, oh, yeah, 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:31.920 let's throw in another thousand prospects in college, right, let's 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.119 do that. And he's he's so good at it. 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:36.360 It's crazy doing an interview with him because like he's 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:39.040 we were on a zoom, you know, and he's clicking 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:41.360 in and out of screen so fast because he's checking 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:43.839 all of his notes, he's checking PFF grades, he's checking 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:46.320 like his grades on them from the previous year. 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:48.680 Like he does a great job. It's incredible. 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:50.840 You would think with somebody that I don't want to 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:53.640 say spreads himself thin because he clearly has him he's 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:54.279 able to keep. 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:54.600 Up on it. 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:57.240 But that's the thing you would think, like, oh, we're 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:59.280 going to bring him on a Commander's show. This is 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:02.880 like his fourth time. One friend of the pod now, right, 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:06.120 But he's he's basically a co host. But you bring 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:07.560 them on and you're like, oh, he's going to talk 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:10.720 Commanders football, and you know how like national pundits be 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.880 like they give you boiler plate answers. It not Trevor. 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.720 He's in it, like he knows Dominie Campton, he knows 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:22.880 Tyler just where it's like, yeah, you're right, as if 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:26.280 he's been watching the practices like on the field with us. 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:29.359 It's it's pretty crazy, but so stick around for him. 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.200 But he's not the only thing and this is not 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:35.200 the only thing, this podcast where you can get Commanders 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:38.240 news and information. We have really ramped up the podcast 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:41.680 basis here, yes we have and our YouTube shows. So 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:45.320 I want everyone to know that, like this, this podcast 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:48.400 comes out on the command Center podcast channel, right, So 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.760 if you subscribe to Spotify, Apple wherever, right, you're gonna 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:53.679 get this show on that And then we're going to 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:56.160 release a couple other podcasts on this channel too, but 0:02:56.240 --> 0:03:00.480 eventually they're moving over to their own channels. So for insense, 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:02.959 you like Get Loud with Jenks and Fred Smoot, they're 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:04.919 gonna be on this channel for a little bit longer. 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:08.040 But they're getting their own nice, their own. 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:10.880 Things, so they can monitor their own content there they can. 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:13.400 It's more interactive when you do it that way, right, 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:16.680 you can respind the fans better that way. So we're 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:19.000 moving most of our shows over, so we got get 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:20.360 loud podcasts right. 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:21.919 And so they so they will they will no longer 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:23.600 be in this feed. Yeah, we'll be in their. 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:26.600 Own again, move over eventually, so make sure be sure 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:28.640 you go find them and subscribe if you like that. 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:31.280 Same with Next Man Up. Next Man Up this year, 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:34.120 Brian Coblet Junior will sit down with a current player 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:38.720 and a legend and someone a part of the national media. 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:41.040 And his first and his first show was Jane Daniels 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:41.880 and and Doug Wall. 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:47.240 His next show that comes out this week is I 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:48.120 Believe It's. 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:52.160 Louvu Okay Fletcher great so far. 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:55.920 Adam Peters dude, Austin Eckler is going to be on one. 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:57.160 Look at that? 0:03:58.200 --> 0:03:58.600 Wow? 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:02.560 And guess who else? I don't know, Adam Schefter what yes? 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.240 So like Mike Tarico is going to be on one. 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.440 So like you want to listen to these, we've really 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:09.360 we've really update this. 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:11.480 So that's called Next Man Up. Next, so we got 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:13.200 get loud, you got to go to your own get 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:14.760 loud page, you got to go to the next man 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:16.040 up least you check those out. 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:18.159 Yeah, and then the final one. 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:21.680 Which is which is the game plan? The game plan. 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:22.960 We're on that. So that's our show. 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:25.039 That's a show, but we're going to. 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:27.719 Put that in podcast form for people because not everybody 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.839 can watch the show that goes on WUSA nine or 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:33.080 YouTube or whatever. So we're going to take that, put 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:35.240 in podcast form and put it out. But what is 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:36.159 the game plan? Logan? 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:38.640 The game plan is just it's it's really it's a 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.520 really cool show because it's me Brian Colbert sit down 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:43.760 with Coach and we've changed the format this year and 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.080 it's just a long form interview. It's fifteen minutes of 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:48.200 Coach talking to us, and if you're watching the show, 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:50.240 we also break down film with Coach where he's able 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.920 to kind of talk about some techniques, a little bit 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.680 of scheme stuff and and Dan just does such a 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:57.440 great job with that. So it's been great to kind 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:57.760 of happen. 0:04:57.839 --> 0:04:59.359 Yeah, every week you're going to get the Coach and 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:01.880 it's fifteen minutes with the Coach. You and the coach 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:03.760 and Bran Coilbert Jr. And like you said, there will 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:05.280 be film that's not going to be on the podcast 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:08.240 that doesn't make sense, but you could catch that on YouTube. 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:10.840 But we'll make sure that the podcast has that full 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.800 conversation and then sometimes an unedited version of it. 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:15.960 Yeah, because when we cut for TV, we have. 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.200 To make it for a cert time and sometimes these 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:20.240 go over, so you might catch a few nuggets in 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:21.320 there that don't make in one. 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:23.400 What about like Booth Review? Where's that going to be? 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:27.760 That's on Mondays? That's Bram and London. Huh, they're with you. 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.719 On the side on Sundays. I'm on the sideline there indio. 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:33.640 In the radio booth though, right, So on Mondays after 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:35.840 the game, after every game, the two guys that called 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:37.960 the game, Bram and London, they're going to recap it 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:41.520 for everybody. That's Booth Review. That's another podcast toscription. Listen 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:42.680 to all these podcasts. 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.320 It's you can't get enough. You'll have a. 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:47.960 Podcast every single day. If you're a Commander's fan, that's 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:48.920 just Commanders Gut. 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:50.960 And I think the cool thing about them is like sometimes, 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.920 like with PFF, they do kind of a very similar 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.200 show every single day and people like it because it's good. 0:05:56.320 --> 0:06:00.599 Of these are all distinct voices, distinct perspectives, diferent hosts, 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.840 and different kind of narratives around the team. So that's 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:05.880 all gonna be different. You gotta subscribe to all of them. 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:07.680 Yeah, you gotta, you gotta catch it out. This is 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:10.240 a lot of good stuff and uh, if you're a commuter, 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:12.840 this is this is the way that, this is, this 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:14.280 is the way to do it. Yeah, so make sure 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:17.320 you find them on Apple and Spotify, wherever you get 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:19.760 your podcasts. They're all out there. Okay, we got Trevor 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:22.000 sickrama this ticket to the draft. We did a lot 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:23.680 of pitching here, but we want people to know where 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:25.560 this content is because we have a lot coming out. 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.560 But I think it's time to get to uh yeah, 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:31.400 I'm out of here. He uh. He really burns me 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:33.880 pretty good on my take, right. 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:35.039 But it wasn't a bad burn. 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.919 But I gotta, you know what, I make a bold 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:43.080 prediction that uh that Trevor is like, oh, but uh, 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.520 but you know what, I think that I'm gonna hold 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:47.640 the one to that prediction, and uh, I'm gonna box 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:49.919 up some kool Aid some Commanders school Aid. Send it 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:51.159 out to him and he'll be He'll get. 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:52.920 We should cut that out and if it if it hits, 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:54.720 you should just send it. 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.599 Yeah, it'd be like take that, Trevor, all right, Yeah, 0:06:57.640 --> 0:06:58.159 So here he is. 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:02.000 I'm logan Pulse Near with a special guest, Trevor Sikima, 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:05.160 lead draft analyst for pff MAN. Thank you so much 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:07.880 for joining us. Always appreciate having your expertise on the show. 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:10.239 Okay's always good to be with you, my friend. Appreciate 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:10.720 you having me on. 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.000 So we're going to talk kind of like a draft 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:15.600 retrospective here, I think. So let's start off with the 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:19.840 easiest highest level. After the preseason goes through, you know, 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:21.920 you see the rookies that made the team. How do 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:25.520 you feel about your draft grade for Washington? 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:28.680 It was a high draft grade. I really love this 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:30.840 draft and I still do, right and I think that 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:32.720 some of the players that you saw make this team 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:34.240 and even some of the moves that you saw this 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:36.920 teammate sort of reflect how high they are on a 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.040 lot of these rookies as well. I mean you can 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:42.400 point out, you know, them moving on from Johan Dotson, 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:44.880 I wonder if a reason why is because they're high 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:47.320 on what could be the potential of Luke McCaffrey and 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:49.440 what he could potentially be in this wide receiver room, Right, 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:51.640 I mean, do you make that move if Luke McCaffrey 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:53.760 is playing a lot more poorly in training camp and 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:57.120 in preseason than than what he what he ended up playing, 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:58.720 which I thought was pretty solid for them. And so 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.320 you know, you're just looking around the entire jet chart 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:04.400 and it's obviously not a full on rookie class that 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:06.480 you know everybody's going to start, but you either see 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.520 guys who are stepping into starting positions early on or 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:11.920 you could see past playing time for them within their 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:16.360 rookie year. So I was pretty bullish on Washington's class overall. 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:17.880 I still think it's a lot of players that they're 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:20.280 going to utilize very very well. And I still feel 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.320 that way now, especially after the preseason and seeing the 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:23.560 final fifty three man roster. 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:25.200 Yeah, and it's one of those things where it's like 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:27.760 kind of like rebuild, retool. You know, rookies are going 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:29.480 to play a big role in that group. And so 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.040 another guy that I think is interesting is Brandon Coleman. Like, 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:33.720 I don't know if we talked about a post rapt 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:35.440 but where did you have him and what have you 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.200 thought about I mean, he didn't play in the preseason, 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:38.560 so I'll have to tell you what I think of 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:40.320 his preseason. But what did you think of him in 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:41.079 the draft process? 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:43.600 No, I like Brandon Coleman. I really did. Now he 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:47.720 was somebody who I thought it was. I thought it 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:49.319 might take a little bit of time for him to 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:51.000 be a starter at the NFL level, But when I 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:54.120 watched him at TCU, like, I saw the starting caliber 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:56.920 traits and this is somebody who I remember going on 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:00.520 you know, some shows where you know, people covering the 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:02.960 Commanders and they were saying, you know, like, oh, we 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.040 wish you would have taken an offensive tackle earlier, Like 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:06.880 fans are like, man, we really needed to take an 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:09.160 offensive tackle a little bit earlier. And I went, you know, 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:11.280 I know they they waited a little bit longer, but 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.200 for the draft to play out the way that it did, 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:16.880 I don't want to say they got like lucky, because 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:19.120 I don't want to discount what a great job that 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.840 they probably did in prep planning for this draft, but 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.720 to have gotten the players they did earlier, Jadeen Daniels, 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:30.240 Youreson Newton, Mike Sanders still, and then you still get 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:33.240 Brandon Coleman where you did. That guy could be a 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.560 starting offensive tackle for you at some point or just 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.160 an overall starting offensive lineman for you at some point. 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:40.600 So I think the tools are definitely there for him. 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:43.480 I think the athleticism beside all this stuff. I really 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:44.760 liked him, and I figured that he was going to 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.000 be a mid round pick. And when Washington again was 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:49.880 able to get him where they did, I thought to myself, Man, 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:54.880 this getting Coleman at that point makes taking those guys 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:58.040 that you already have in the draft even better because 0:09:58.080 --> 0:09:59.520 you didn't you didn't have. Now you don't have to 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:01.880 sit here and go, oh, well, you know, we picked 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.520 this guy, but we didn't get an offensive tackle the future. 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:06.800 I think you still got an offensive tackle of the future, 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:08.760 at least a guy who gives you that sort of potential. 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.120 And any time you're outside of the top twenty or 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.120 first round, I should say it's always sort of a 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:15.719 coin flip or a risk anyways that these guys in 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:17.559 the trenches are going to work out. So Coleman's a 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:19.640 goodwin and I thought they got a really good draft 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:20.520 value there with him. 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:22.240 Yeah, he's an interesting guy because you know, in twenty 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:23.800 twenty three he's playing a lot of guard and then 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:26.160 in twenty twenty two played predominant tackle. So you're kind 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:27.680 of like, why did you make the switch? But I think, 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:30.600 like you said, the measurables, the athleticism, it's all there, 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:32.320 just got to put it together. A guy that you 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:33.840 did mention when you were kind of going through those 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:36.480 high value picks earlier was a guy Mike Sandrastill, and 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:39.439 he's just been tremendous in training camp, you know, playing 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:42.040 the nickel, playing a little outside. He just has like 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:46.160 kind of elite level intuition, which is pretty pretty fun 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:49.600 to watch and see that kind of be executed in practice. 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.400 What do you think of him and like, what is 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.120 the expectation for him going to this season based on 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:56.240 what you saw in college? 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:58.160 Yeah, I mean I think that he's also just an 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:01.160 elite level competitor, right, Yeah, that when you get to 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:05.600 high level where whether it's FBS or the NFL, sometimes 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:08.000 fans think, oh, yeah, well, all these guys are competitive. 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.360 Well I think that they're all competitive, but there's certainly 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.000 a difference, and when you watch a guy like Mike Sandrusso, 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:15.920 who it feels like he is playing every rep like 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:18.960 it's just last. I mean, that just absolutely stands out 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.840 for you, and it's why you prioritize a player like that, because, 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.520 let's face it, san Rusol is not the biggest guy 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.560 in the world. He's lightning quick, but he's also not 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:30.360 the fastest guy in the world. So I'm telling you 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:32.880 there's gonna be reps that you see this season and 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:36.680 beyond where the quarterback puts the ball just out of 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:38.760 reach of where his hand can get to even if 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:41.600 he's close in coverage, or you might see a super 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.720 fast NFL level wide receiver break away and be able 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:46.560 to create a little bit of separation on him. You're 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:48.680 gonna have a couple of those reps. But you still 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:50.520 take this guy where you did in the second round 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:53.680 because he does so much for you when it comes to, 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:58.280 like you said, that competitiveness, that high football IQ, that 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:00.520 those instincts that feel for the game that he already 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.520 is displaying in training camp and preseason before he's even 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:05.880 started his rookie year in the NFL. That's why you 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:08.720 take a player like that. In on a Michigan defense 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:12.560 that had some dogs this past year. They talked about 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:14.640 Mike sand Rastill as the heart and soul of that team, 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.560 and I think that that absolutely means a lot for 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:22.320 a national championship, undefeated, number one in the country type 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:24.560 of a defense. And so you take a player like that, 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:28.440 and you love a player like that because he's going 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:30.719 to be fearless in every single assignment that I think 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:32.720 that he goes up against, no matter what receivers are 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:34.160 going to be in the slot, and playing in the 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:37.280 slot in today's day and age is really really difficult. 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:39.560 You've got offensive coordinators who are going to be creative 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:41.600 enough to put tight ends there, to put wide receiver 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:44.520 ones there, to put all sorts of receivers of different 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:47.160 shapes and sizes in those spots. And yet sand Rastillo 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:48.960 is going to be up for whatever challenge dan Quinn 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:51.760 puts before him. But I think that player and coach, 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:53.560 this to me is a match made in heaven. So 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.040 I love the landing spot of san Raso getting to 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:56.880 play in this defense. 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:58.640 Yeah, And I think one of the things you talked 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.480 about there, which I love is competitiveness, you know, And 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:03.800 I just for me personally, Like, how do you weigh that, 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.280 like when you're doing your draft evaluation, because I think 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:08.199 one of the things about Washington is like they didn't 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.640 necessarily go for the most physically gifted guys. You kind 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:13.400 of alluded to that there with Mike SANDERSO, but you 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:16.760 went for the guys that were just like dog competitors. 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:18.160 You know, like when you look at you know, Jane 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.600 Daniels to John Nude and Mike sandersol Benson and they 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:24.240 all have that characteristic as an evaluator, how do you 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.400 weigh that? You know? Because again that's that's like you 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:28.600 watch the film. The film is one thing, but understanding 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:30.600 the person seems to be so important. 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:35.200 No, it is, It's absolutely important. And you know, it's funny. 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:39.320 I've been going to the Combine seven years in a row. 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:41.960 I think was this this might this past combine for me? 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:43.920 And you sit at those podiums and you listen to 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.360 head coaches and you listen to channel managers and people 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:48.320 from the beat. I don't blame for this. They always 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:50.400 ask them this question. They're like, oh, you know, what 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.679 are you here to see? You know, it's like, oh, 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:55.160 what are you here to evaluate? And they all say 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:59.120 the same thing. We're trying to find out what makes 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:01.640 these players tick. It'll be some sort of words that 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:04.520 basically describe that we are trying to figure out who 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.760 these guys are as people as much as players. We've 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.280 watched the tape, We've talked to their coaches. We're going 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:12.320 to see them run whatever. We already know what they're 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:13.840 basically going to run because they do a lot of 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:17.560 intel on these players. They're trying to figure out who 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:19.800 they are as competitors. Kind of what you're saying, and 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:23.280 that's a major part of the draft process that for 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.960 somebody who's on the outside looking in. I don't always 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:29.520 get a chance to know that about every single player. 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:32.640 But when I am able to find that out, whether 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.240 it's through sources, you know, talking to some of their coaches, 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:37.480 you know, maybe talking to a scout, or even just 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.560 some watching them and how they play, it's something that 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:42.680 you absolutely have to know. You know, when I'm building 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.560 my big board, I have a numerical value for film 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:47.280 grade that I give them, and the film is broken 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:49.640 up into a lot of different categories depending on position, 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.000 and when I'm putting together my big board, the very 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:53.520 first thing that I'll do is I'll take all the 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:55.800 positions and all their numerical grade that I'm able to 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.240 give them through film, and I will kind of put 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.160 that in a list and I will sort it, and 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.480 then I will go through it and say, Okay, I 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:04.800 gave this guy a certain film grade. These guys have 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:07.360 the same film grade, but I'm gonna put this guy 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.880 higher because of some of those X factors, that competitive 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.520 nature what we have heard, and so it's something that 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:16.440 is a luxury whenever I get to learn a little 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:19.600 bit apart a little bit of a player's perspective and 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:21.440 their scouting report, when I get to kind of build 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:23.400 it out and shape it out in that regard, and 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:27.600 that is the thing the scouting staffs, I don't know 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:29.280 if I want to say, spend the most time on. 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:31.840 But it's the most underrated part of all of this 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.240 is fans. Everybody loves to talk about how high a 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.200 guy jumps, or how fast he runs, or how big 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:38.640 he is. Like NFL teams, they all know that same stuff. 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.800 They're trying to figure out who these guys are underneath 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:43.440 the helmet between the ears, if you will. So that 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:45.920 is something that when you get to learn that stuff. 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.080 It could be the difference of all right, I maybe 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:49.960 had a third round grade on this guy on film, 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:52.920 but he is somebody I want on my football team, 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:54.720 So maybe you'll take them a little bit ahead of 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:56.320 that as a luxury because you just need it. 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:57.640 Well, it's interesting to that point. 0:15:57.720 --> 0:15:59.560 I still have a lot of friends that coach the NFL, 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:00.720 and one of the things they say is, like, with 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.600 the prevalence of PFF and the film that they're able 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:05.000 to get and how they're able to sort the film, 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:07.360 they don't really need the scouts as much for the 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.359 film evaluation anymore. They need them for the character evaluation. 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:12.080 And so I think it's great that you are kind 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:14.240 of delving that too in your evaluation and trying to 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.600 piece that together. Another thing, you know, we talked about 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.480 Mike Sandmer still safety was a big kind of addition 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.480 to this roster, and obviously they drafted Dominie Campton. Tyler 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:24.320 Owens is another guy that kind of squeaked in there 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:27.080 on the roster and had an absolutely marvelous preseason playing 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:29.520 special teams. What are your thoughts on those guys, because 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:31.280 they are kind of unique, you know, they are kind 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.280 of bigger body, long, limb very I'm gonna say, dan 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.480 Quinn esques type of safeties if you look at what 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:37.400 they did in Dallas. 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:42.520 Yeah, one of my favorite narratives or things to explore 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.920 or watch for after the draft of any team in 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.040 the NFL was what dan Quinn and the Washington Commanders 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:51.600 were going to do with these safeties in particular, because 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:54.800 remember it's not just Tyler Owens and Dominique Campton. This 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:57.640 also came after you brought in Jeremy Chnn as well. 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:01.280 So it's these hybrid players. And you look at, for example, 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:04.040 what Jaron Curse was for the Dallas Cowboys defense, and 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:06.520 in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three, Jaron Curse 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:10.359 had pretty dang good overall grades playing as this hybrid safety, linebacker, 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:13.880 slot defender type of player. And dan Quinn already understands 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:15.959 that mold. And not only did he bring in a 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:19.040 player that could play that, like Jeremy chin, he doubled 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.399 and tripled down if you will, drafting a player like 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:23.679 Dominie Campton, who I read it made the team as 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:25.919 a linebacker after playing safety. And you know, if you 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.760 plug Dominie Campton's combine performance you know, if you could 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:31.560 go to mock draftable and see sort of his percentiles 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:35.120 of his athleticism when he's measured up against other NFL safeties, 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:38.040 if you change that category to linebacker, all all of 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:41.440 a sudden, his athleticism is movement skills goes to eightieth 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:45.040 and ninetieth percentile and basically all athletic categories. So dan 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:48.439 Quinn's trying to get the athletic advantage with him playing 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:51.160 as so pseudo linebacker, with Bobby Wagner, with Frankie Luvu, 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.480 with those kinds of guys. Tyler Owens is the same 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:56.639 way a player who you know can really come downhill 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.480 for it begin and ace on special teams because of 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:01.800 his size and his speed and his strength combination, and 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:04.040 obviously you throw that in with Jeremy Chin as well. 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:05.800 I don't know exactly what it's going to look like, 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:08.480 you know, I'm looking at the position pivots and the 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:11.280 snaps of where they were aligned throughout the preseason, and 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:13.359 it's just very versatile. Like it's a lot of the 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:15.040 same stuff. A lot of it comes from them being 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:17.600 box defenders. Especially for Hampton when I looked his up, 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:20.200 they're playing him more as a linebacker, which totally makes sense. 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:22.119 But he got guys like Chin and the guys like 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.480 Owens who are playing more cider like free safeties. It's 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:27.840 alot defenders and things like that. So it's very versatile, 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.359 and I think that's something that Dan and Quinn really 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:33.639 leaned into, is give me a lot of guys that 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:36.160 can keep me as versatile and as multiple as possible. 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:37.959 And I think that those are two players who I'm 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:40.320 really excited to see Hampton specifically because I think he 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:42.960 could be in that rotation. Owens maybe more of just 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:45.359 a special teamer and can step up if somebody ends 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:47.720 up getting hurt. But how they deploy those guys is 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:49.679 something I'm really looking forward to watching this season. 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:50.400 Yeah, I mean too. 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:52.240 And I think it's not only you know with like 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:55.560 Hampton and you know Owens, it's also like Kwon Martin. 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:57.800 He can play Nickely can play safety, and so they 0:18:57.800 --> 0:18:59.560 have all this flexibility across the board. And he's a 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.840 draft pick for last year obviously, but last, last, but 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:04.679 not least, we got to save the best position for 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:06.879 last and that's Ben Senate and he's just been a 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:10.400 guy that's been super impressive to me through the process. Again, 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:12.119 I lucked his film a lot, but I think the 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:14.399 physicality that he plays with has surprised me a little bit. 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:16.160 I knew it was a tough guy, but to see 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:18.040 kind of what that brings. Did that show up in 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:19.720 the evaluation for you at all when you were checking 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:20.280 these guys. 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:22.840 Out, Oh no, at one hundred percent? Did And you know, 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:24.439 you look at Ben Sentet and I just kind of 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:26.320 pulled up his measurables right here. You know, twenty eight 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:29.199 percentile in height for a tight end, thirty ninth percent 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:31.400 tile and wait, you know, twenty fifth percent tile when 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:33.399 it comes to wingspan, and twenty third percent tile on 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:35.359 arm length. Like he's just not the biggest dude in 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:37.040 the world. Now, obviously he was able to move a 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:38.960 little bit better. You know, his scores in forty yard 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.280 dash and the vertical jump, like a lot of that 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:43.280 was a lot higher because he's a smaller tight end. 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:45.600 But when you turn on the tape and you go, okay, 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:47.640 I'm probably just going to see you know, like more 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:49.800 athletic tight end, probably going to struggle a little bit 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:51.880 with contested catches. You don't want him on the line 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:53.960 of scrimmage you don't really see that with his tape. 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:56.080 I mean, he is a stick his nose in there 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:58.119 whenever he needs to type of a player. And is 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:00.240 he gonna, you know, blow somebody go get blow a 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:01.960 defensive end off the ball when he's attached to the 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:05.000 Lion scrimmage. No, but he'll give you absolutely his best 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:06.480 that he can. And that's why they play him at 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:08.239 full back, They'll play him in line, they play him 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:10.800 in the slot. And so the slot value for Senate 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:13.600 I think goes without saying what we've seen from his 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.000 Kansas State film. But the reason why you draft him 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:17.639 as early as they did in the mid rounds is 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:20.359 because you prioritize everything that he could be for you. 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:23.280 And again going back to what you said, maybe it's 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:24.800 not the biggest dudes in the world. I mean, it's 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:26.680 funny that I say it's not the biggest dudes in 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:28.920 the world and they drafted Dominie Campton and Tyler Owens, 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:30.720 who aren't like the biggest safeties in the world. But 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:33.600 you know, some like Senate and Mike saying Rastill we 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.320 mentioned and you know, even going to jers On Newton 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:39.359 a little bit little undersized for a three technique defensive tackle, 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:42.200 you don't care because you're getting the right guys in there. 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:44.600 And I think that was just the theme overall this 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:48.920 entire offseason for the Commanders is Hey, new ownership, new 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:51.960 general manager, new head coach, knew everything, and they moved 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:53.840 on from a lot of players, and they brought in 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:56.560 a lot of players in free agency, a big draft class. 0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:58.600 They kept a lot of those guys because they're trying 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:01.679 to change the core of this So Senate is another 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:05.360 player who just feels like his presence is changing the 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:08.160 core and the culture of this team for not only 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:10.800 what they know his strengths are, but also some of 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:14.000 those X factor parts of just being a damn good 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:15.720 football player. So I think it's Senate it's going to 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:17.200 get on the field quite a bit this year. 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:19.560 Yeah, absolutely, So Obviously we talked about the best position. 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:22.399 Now let's talk about the most important position, which is quarterback. Obviously, 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:24.320 I don't know how much you've watched Jane Daniels, because 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:26.640 I know you got to watch all thirty two teams 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:30.280 plus like a thousand draft prospects. So, but Jane Daniels 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:32.119 in the preseason, what have you thought of him? And 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:35.639 how does that compare to your evaluation, I absolutely loved it. 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:37.400 What was it was the Miami game that he played 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:38.440 the most? Is that correct? 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:40.520 Yes? Yeh, look at you man. You watched all that 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:41.800 film you can still remember it. 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:44.080 So okay, there we go. So I was watching that 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:46.920 Miami game and I was really impressed with Jaden and 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:48.640 some people are gonna be like, oh, he was impressed 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:50.120 with you know, the deep throw that he had. No 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:52.760 beyond the deep drow. Actually, what impress me the most 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:57.240 about Jade and Daniels is actually the sideline comeback throws 0:21:57.280 --> 0:21:58.720 that he had. I think he had a couple of 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:01.200 them where you got to think about it. Put yourself 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:03.960 in the shoes of a rookie quarterback number two overall. 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:06.520 Pick you're coming in, you're saving the franchise. One of 0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:09.680 the most dangerous throws that you can throw is that 0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:12.199 comeback round because if you are late on it or 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:15.440 if you miss it, those NFL corners they're gonna jump 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:17.840 that immediately. They're gonna pick the ball off. And then 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:20.520 if you pick off a comeback route, guess what, that's six. 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:23.080 Nobody's catching you. It's gonna be a pick six. Not 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:25.000 only is it a turnover for your team, but also 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:27.760 you're giving the other team points immediately afterwards as well. 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:32.159 To throw that route with pace, confidence and accuracy the 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:35.120 way that Jaden Daniels was able to do against Miami. 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:38.080 I went, man, I wondered if it was gonna be 0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:40.200 a little bit of a learning curve for Daniels going 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:43.480 from college to the NFL, and how I don't want 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:45.600 to say like friendly. His offense was at LSU, but 0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:47.640 it was very spread out, it was very spaced out. 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:50.639 He had elite receivers, he had big time match up 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:53.160 pluses that he could target basically on every single play. 0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:55.119 It was always just going to be different at the 0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:58.119 NFL level. But he was so confident in those throws 0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:00.640 that I went, I'm not gonna be worried abot confidence 0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:03.800 now going into the regular season. So we didn't see 0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:07.199 a ton of them obviously, but that game particular, I 0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:09.480 was even able to take away those little nuggets and say, 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:11.719 I'm so excited to see what Jade Daniels is going 0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:12.760 to be right outside of the game. 0:23:12.720 --> 0:23:13.200 For this team. 0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:15.679 Yeah, And so obviously, like when you're doing quarterbacks, it's 0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:17.560 one of the most like talked about positions in the 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:20.080 draft process, the big kind of talking point was Jane 0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:23.720 Daniels versus Drake May. Drake May preseason had some really 0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:26.480 explosive opportunities, but also showed a lot of what kind 0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:28.879 of I don't know, like what characterizes film in college, 0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:31.240 like a little bit inconsistency. Where do you stand on it? Now, 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:32.760 how do you feel both these guys are going to 0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:34.160 be doing for their respective teams? 0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:39.480 Yeah, look, I think that New England's a tough situation. What. Yeah, 0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:42.080 it's going to be a tough situation for Drake May 0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:45.400 independent of the fact that he definitely has to get better. 0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:46.239 There's no doubt about it. 0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:48.160 I stop even one second. I think that's something people 0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:50.600 forget though. It's like it's the situation for the quarterback 0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:52.360 that almost leads to success, you know what I'm saying. 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:54.520 And like when it's a tough spot for him, it's 0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:57.200 you're not putting like the organizations out put him in 0:23:57.200 --> 0:23:58.240 in the best spot, you know what I mean? 0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:01.159 Yeah, no question about it. And of those three teams 0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:02.640 at the very top of the draft that we're going 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:05.320 to select quarterbacks, the Chicago Bears, the Washington Commanders, and 0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:08.439 the New England Patriots, the Patriots were by far the 0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:11.640 least quarterback friendly situation that any of those guys could 0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:14.760 have gone to. So for May, you saw some good, 0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:17.199 you saw some bad from him the preseason, but I 0:24:17.240 --> 0:24:19.359 think most importantly, I think that you did see that 0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:22.280 confidence with him. Now they're starting Jacoby Brissett and a 0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:25.320 lot of people like, oh, just throw Drake May out there. 0:24:26.240 --> 0:24:28.280 They got to get their offensive line figured out first, 0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:31.480 and I think that at least Jacoby, as a veteran, 0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:34.320 understands how to maybe protect himself a little bit better 0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:36.760 than they would behind that offensive line. Is that you're 0:24:36.760 --> 0:24:39.720 looking to get better. They will start eventually for this team, 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:42.320 but really that offensive line's got to get a lot better. 0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:45.320 Whereas Washington, Yeah, the offensive line wasn't as good as 0:24:45.320 --> 0:24:47.600 it could have been last year, but they've made some 0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:49.840 new additions. There's some new guys in there. I think 0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:51.880 there's some optimism that it's going to be a good group. 0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:54.679 And obviously you're playing with a quarterback who knows how 0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:56.160 to get the ball out of his hands pretty quickly. 0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:58.360 It's going to be a spread out offense with Cliff Kingsbury. 0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:01.159 So I think it's yeah, I'm not Gonna. I had 0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:03.919 Drake may A's QB two going into this class. I 0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:05.720 can't sit here and say that from training camp of 0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:07.760 the preseason, I'd flip it or anything like that, but 0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:10.320 it is something that I'm excited to see these guys 0:25:10.359 --> 0:25:13.080 play in their environments because I'll tell you I had 0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:17.600 may QB two. But of the landing spots where Jade 0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:21.359 Daniels realistically could have gone, Washington was one of my 0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:23.840 favorite for the reasons of the fact that I think 0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:25.680 that they're all in on making sure that they get 0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:29.160 good playmakers over the next couple of years. Cliff Kingsbury, 0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:32.119 I think his offense naturally is a good ushering into 0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:34.960 the NFL and a transition depending on how long he's 0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:36.800 the offensive coordinator of this team. I don't think it 0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:39.080 really matters because this first year, I think it's going 0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:42.040 to be an easier transition for him because of Kingsbury's 0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:44.720 experience in college playing in a very spread out offense 0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:48.359 like Jayden played in last year at LSU. So this 0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:50.600 is a really good landing spot for him. And yeah, 0:25:50.880 --> 0:25:52.600 I think it's That's kind of how I would see 0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:54.879 these two situations, and it's just too where I'm excited 0:25:54.920 --> 0:25:56.280 to see how it plays out for both of them. 0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:57.399 Yeah, one hundred percent. 0:25:57.400 --> 0:25:59.400 And you know, like it's if you had to change 0:25:59.400 --> 0:26:01.920 your take after a couple preseason games, I've been like, man, 0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:04.640 like you weren't very vindicated in your in your college takes, 0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:06.840 right because there's nothing that you know, it takes sometimes 0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:09.480 years to kind of figure out who the right guys are. 0:26:09.520 --> 0:26:11.600 But you know, for Jade and Daniel specifically, this is 0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:14.920 a commander's show. Obviously, what's your expectation for him? You 0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:17.400 already alluded to kind of like situation, how you think 0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:20.120 it's good here, Like, like, what's what's what's a productive 0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:21.800 year for him in your in your estimation? 0:26:22.400 --> 0:26:25.240 Yeah, honestly, Like I think that I've seen some projections 0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:27.639 with him, you know, like throwing for over four thousand yards. Obviously, 0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:29.680 I think that that'd be an excellent season for him 0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:31.520 if he's able to do that. I think more realistic 0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:34.399 Somewhere between thirty five hundred and four thousand yards is 0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:37.399 probably more realistic for Jaden. But really, growth is what 0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:38.679 you want to see from him. I don't think that 0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:41.120 it's necessarily like, oh, if he hits a certain amount 0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:43.280 of touchdowns or something like that. It's just more of 0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:45.520 is the NFL game a little bit too much for him? 0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:46.880 And I don't think that that's going to be the case. 0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:49.080 Especially the little hints that I saw this preseason. I 0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:51.679 hope that those are building blocks going into the regular season. 0:26:51.720 --> 0:26:54.119 But really what you want to see from Jayden is 0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:56.520 and I think the Commanders are going to be a 0:26:56.520 --> 0:26:58.560 sneaky team this year. I think that they're going to win, 0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:01.680 you know, somewhere between. I think six games is a 0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:03.360 floor for this team, but I think they could win 0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:06.480 anywhere from eight to nine games, depending on how well 0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:08.439 these new players are able to adjust. But I'm a 0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:10.560 big dan Quinn believer. I think the Cowboys are going 0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:12.119 to take a little bit of a step back. So 0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:14.720 I think the number two team in this division is 0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:17.040 a lot closer than people are given a credit for 0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:19.560 with the Cowboys and the Commanders. I promise I'm not 0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:20.240 just saying. 0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:21.680 That I'm on a Commander's show. 0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:25.120 I really do. I'm a big dan Quinn guy. I've 0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:26.680 been waiting for him to get another chance as the 0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:28.520 head coach, so I'm excited for him. But going back 0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:31.879 to Jayden, as long as the second half of this season, 0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:35.120 he's playing his best ball, right think about I don't 0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:36.960 know if it's going to be quite what Jordan Love 0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:38.800 played with last year. Becauld Jordan Love turned into an 0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:42.640 elite quarterback, but Jordan Love was still trying to figure 0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:44.280 stuff out in the first half of that season, and 0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:46.160 then the second half of the season when that continue 0:27:46.200 --> 0:27:48.920 what he was there, he just just absolutely took off. 0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:51.520 So what you really want is you want a solid 0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:54.120 offensive output year for him. Again, I think anywhere from 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:57.040 thirty five hundred to four thousand yards, especially in this offense, 0:27:57.680 --> 0:27:59.959 that would be a really good season for him, especially 0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:01.679 if you can say at the end of the season 0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:04.280 December he was starting to really play his best ball. 0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:05.879 Yeah, no, I totally agree. 0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:09.639 As long as he's showing some type of consistent maturation, 0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:11.760 I think everyone's going to feel very good about where 0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:14.600 he's at. And obviously the Commander's moving forward. All right, 0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:17.679 give me your surprise rookie standout for the Commanders. Is 0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:20.040 there a guy you're like, Oh, I really liked him, 0:28:20.040 --> 0:28:22.560 people are sleeping on him, anybody like that. 0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:25.840 So we've talked about a lot of guys already, But 0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:28.600 I'm going to go back to Luke McCaffrey. I was 0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:31.679 quickly impressed with McCaffrey when I saw him at the 0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:33.920 Senior Bowl and how he was able to play another 0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:37.159 dude that's just tough as nails man. And again, I 0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:38.800 don't know, this is just a hunch. I don't have 0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:41.360 any sort of insight information here, but I don't think 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:45.880 you move on from Johan Dotson when you do if 0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:48.560 you don't think, hey, you know what, we got guys 0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:50.920 in the building that we don't mind giving a shot too. 0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:53.040 Maybe they don't think they don't think McCaffrey is going 0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:55.240 to win, like you know, first team All Rookie or something, 0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:57.560 but at least saying, hey, we like what we've seen 0:28:57.640 --> 0:28:59.040 enough from this guy to where we're going to give 0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:01.800 him a shot. And I remember McCaffrey went into college 0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:04.720 football playing quarterback. He was a quarterback for Nebraska before 0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:07.600 he ended up transferring over to playing wide receiver when 0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:10.240 he was at Rice. And so he's already so nuanced 0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:12.280 I think for the position. Obviously, his dad being a 0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:15.880 longtime Super Bowl champion Nfler, and you know his brother Christian, Yeah, 0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:18.880 not bad football player himself, but I think that you 0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:21.440 look at McCaffrey's game, and it's already so mature that 0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:23.080 there's a reason why they think, hey, we can get 0:29:23.080 --> 0:29:24.640 this guy on the field. I think he could produce 0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:27.840 for us. So if I had like a surprising rookie, 0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:31.040 or like a bold take for a rookie, I guess 0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:33.560 I don't know how bold this is, but like five 0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:37.280 six touchdowns for Luke McCaffery. You know, let's get him 0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:38.560 in a lineup. You know, I think that he's got 0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:40.120 the opportunity to be able to do it. I look 0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:42.280 at McLaurin, he's to do it all wide super for you. 0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:44.840 I think Diami Brown is a really nice vertical threat 0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:46.600 for you old maids. The keys gives you a little 0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:49.520 bit of flash and some quickness to you. But McCaffrey 0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:53.960 as that big slot receiver I think could be a 0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:55.960 little bit of a mismatch every single week. So I'll 0:29:55.960 --> 0:29:57.480 say McCaffrey has a pretty good year. 0:29:57.520 --> 0:29:58.480 I like that. I like that. 0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:01.280 Our producer just guy Jason's what we call him on 0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:04.280 the show. Jason Johnson's his full name anyway, because we're not, 0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:06.480 you know, besmirching Jason over here. But anyway, he's his 0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:11.400 ball prediction is that Mike Sanders still is Defensive Rookie 0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:14.000 of the Year. And what would you say to Jason 0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:15.560 Jason's take on that. 0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:23.200 There's Unfortunately for Jason, there's a lot of really good 0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:26.160 d dressers from this class, and when you get sacks 0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:28.719 as a rookie, it's so easy to win that award. 0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:32.120 One is so tough to win that award anyways, as 0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:34.360 a defensive back, you just have to get a lot 0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:37.200 of interceptions. But in order for Sandrastille to win it, 0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:39.920 in my opinion, the PFF grades would have to be 0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:42.440 pretty high because I think people would have to recognize 0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:44.480 him as a really good run defender and sometimes those 0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:46.480 are like tough stats, like you don't really have those games. 0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:48.760 So I think that he'd have to be recognized as 0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:51.240 a really good run defender and then he'd probably have 0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:54.240 to have something like four interceptions. 0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:55.640 That's what he said. 0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:59.160 That's right, So it's like, so I think that he 0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:01.760 could be in the conversation. The problem is, I think 0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:03.880 layout to lotso for the Colts is probably gonna get 0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:06.120 like ten sacks, and so like, if somebody gets ten 0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:09.120 sacks as a rookie, they're gonna win the Award or 0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:11.240 you know, Dallas Turner's gonna get a lot of opportunities 0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:14.480 for the Vikings, and so I love for Mike, you 0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:17.120 Sirius to win it. It's just I don't know it. 0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:19.000 It's always very tough for a corner. 0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:21.640 It's an uphill climb for sure. Trevor, thank you so 0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:24.239 much for joining us. We always appreciate your insight. Like 0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:26.440 I would try to pub or promo all the stuff 0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:27.880 you've got going on, but I just feel like every 0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:29.560 time I talk to you, there's something new going on. 0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:30.959 So I let you handle that. 0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:33.760 You got new shows, new things are doing, So where 0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:34.480 can people find you? 0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:37.360 Yeah, we got a new content lineup at PFF this 0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:40.280 year that we're really excited about. It starts on Mondays 0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:43.240 in the afternoon when we are doing a grades release show, 0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:45.600 and so instead of like a you know, just like okay, 0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:48.440 we're gonna it's the way that we basically review all 0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:50.680 the games that happened over this past weekend, but we 0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:54.120 do it by exclusively revealing the grades there on the 0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:55.960 show that people can tune into and watch, and so 0:31:56.000 --> 0:31:57.520 we'll reveal the grades and then we'll kind of talk 0:31:57.520 --> 0:31:59.840 about the performances and how the grades got to where 0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:01.920 they worse. So I'm excited about that one. We've got 0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:06.240 a lot of other short shows where we'll be highlighting rookies, quarterbacks, 0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:09.640 trench players, little individual shows throughout the week, and then 0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:12.640 obviously our previous shows that we do on Thursdays, we'll 0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:14.720 be doing those as well, so I'll be in for 0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:17.600 all those shows. So hopefully people don't get too sick 0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:19.800 of my face and my voice this season. But we're 0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:21.840 really excited about how we're covering the league this year. 0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:23.680 And are you still doing your draft show. I'm sure 0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:24.680 you're doing that as well. 0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:29.520 I am, yes, NFL Stockey Change is still rolling myself 0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:31.720 and Connor Rogers, So again, you know to your audience, 0:32:31.800 --> 0:32:33.719 anytime you ever want to turn the page figure out 0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:36.400 what twenty twenty five NFL Draft might have for the 0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:39.880 Washington Commanders, come hang out on the NFL Stockey Change podcast. 0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:42.200 Man's busy Man. We really appreciate making time for us, 0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:42.719 Thanks so much. 0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:44.720 Sure appreciate brothers anytime.