1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: On this episode of Ticket the Draft Podcast, we have 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Trevor Sikima from PFF in the house. He talks all 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: rookies and how they're going to fit in the Commander's organization. 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: He's reevaluating his draft grade. Did he bump it up? 5 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: And it was already super high? And we talked Drake May 6 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: versus Jayden Daniels. Is the debate already over about who 7 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: was the right pick for the Commanders and we do 8 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: bold predictions. 9 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: It all starts right now. Welcome into the Ticket of 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: the Draft podcast. 11 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: I'm Logan Paulson here with Jessic Guy Jason, and shortly 12 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: we'll have Trevor Sikima. He calls himself the lead draft analyst, 13 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: but he does, like I think he said, like six 14 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: or seven shows for PFF. 15 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: He does a great job. 16 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: Provides excellent insight on our draft class, what he saw 17 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: from them in the preseason. It's incredible. His ability to 18 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: recall information, watch all the NFL stuff while prepping for 19 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five draft, It's incredible, man. He has 20 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: great insight. 21 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you like college football, if you like rookies, 22 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 3: if you like the draft process, leading and cleaning combine 23 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 3: see Bowl. If you like football, you will like Trevor Sikama. 24 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 3: He is he's so in it. Yeah, and I I 25 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 3: wonder what he does when he goes home at night, right, 26 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 3: Like how does he turn it off? Because that's all 27 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 3: he does is football all the time. Like it's hard 28 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 3: enough I think for me personally to keep up with 29 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 3: what's going on with the Commanders plus the division plus 30 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 3: a conference than the league. And he's like, oh, yeah, 31 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 3: let's throw in another thousand prospects in college, right, let's 32 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 3: do that. And he's he's so good at it. 33 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: It's crazy doing an interview with him because like he's 34 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: we were on a zoom, you know, and he's clicking 35 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: in and out of screen so fast because he's checking 36 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 1: all of his notes, he's checking PFF grades, he's checking 37 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: like his grades on them from the previous year. 38 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: Like he does a great job. It's incredible. 39 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 3: You would think with somebody that I don't want to 40 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 3: say spreads himself thin because he clearly has him he's 41 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:54,279 Speaker 3: able to keep. 42 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: Up on it. 43 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 3: But that's the thing you would think, like, oh, we're 44 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 3: going to bring him on a Commander's show. This is 45 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 3: like his fourth time. One friend of the pod now, right, 46 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 3: But he's he's basically a co host. But you bring 47 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 3: them on and you're like, oh, he's going to talk 48 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 3: Commanders football, and you know how like national pundits be 49 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 3: like they give you boiler plate answers. It not Trevor. 50 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 3: He's in it, like he knows Dominie Campton, he knows 51 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 3: Tyler just where it's like, yeah, you're right, as if 52 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 3: he's been watching the practices like on the field with us. 53 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 3: It's it's pretty crazy, but so stick around for him. 54 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 3: But he's not the only thing and this is not 55 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 3: the only thing, this podcast where you can get Commanders 56 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 3: news and information. We have really ramped up the podcast 57 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 3: basis here, yes we have and our YouTube shows. So 58 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 3: I want everyone to know that, like this, this podcast 59 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 3: comes out on the command Center podcast channel, right, So 60 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 3: if you subscribe to Spotify, Apple wherever, right, you're gonna 61 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 3: get this show on that And then we're going to 62 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 3: release a couple other podcasts on this channel too, but 63 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 3: eventually they're moving over to their own channels. So for insense, 64 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 3: you like Get Loud with Jenks and Fred Smoot, they're 65 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 3: gonna be on this channel for a little bit longer. 66 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 2: But they're getting their own nice, their own. 67 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 3: Things, so they can monitor their own content there they can. 68 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 3: It's more interactive when you do it that way, right, 69 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 3: you can respind the fans better that way. So we're 70 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 3: moving most of our shows over, so we got get 71 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 3: loud podcasts right. 72 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: And so they so they will they will no longer 73 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: be in this feed. Yeah, we'll be in their. 74 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: Own again, move over eventually, so make sure be sure 75 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 2: you go find them and subscribe if you like that. 76 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 3: Same with Next Man Up. Next Man Up this year, 77 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 3: Brian Coblet Junior will sit down with a current player 78 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 3: and a legend and someone a part of the national media. 79 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: And his first and his first show was Jane Daniels 80 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: and and Doug Wall. 81 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 3: His next show that comes out this week is I 82 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 3: Believe It's. 83 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 2: Louvu Okay Fletcher great so far. 84 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 3: Adam Peters dude, Austin Eckler is going to be on one. 85 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: Look at that? 86 00:03:58,200 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 4: Wow? 87 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 3: And guess who else? I don't know, Adam Schefter what yes? 88 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 3: So like Mike Tarico is going to be on one. 89 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 3: So like you want to listen to these, we've really 90 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 3: we've really update this. 91 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: So that's called Next Man Up. Next, so we got 92 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: get loud, you got to go to your own get 93 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: loud page, you got to go to the next man 94 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: up least you check those out. 95 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then the final one. 96 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 2: Which is which is the game plan? The game plan. 97 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: We're on that. So that's our show. 98 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 2: That's a show, but we're going to. 99 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 3: Put that in podcast form for people because not everybody 100 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 3: can watch the show that goes on WUSA nine or 101 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 3: YouTube or whatever. So we're going to take that, put 102 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 3: in podcast form and put it out. But what is 103 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 3: the game plan? Logan? 104 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: The game plan is just it's it's really it's a 105 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: really cool show because it's me Brian Colbert sit down 106 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: with Coach and we've changed the format this year and 107 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: it's just a long form interview. It's fifteen minutes of 108 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: Coach talking to us, and if you're watching the show, 109 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: we also break down film with Coach where he's able 110 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: to kind of talk about some techniques, a little bit 111 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: of scheme stuff and and Dan just does such a 112 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: great job with that. So it's been great to kind 113 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: of happen. 114 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, every week you're going to get the Coach and 115 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 3: it's fifteen minutes with the Coach. You and the coach 116 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 3: and Bran Coilbert Jr. And like you said, there will 117 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 3: be film that's not going to be on the podcast 118 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 3: that doesn't make sense, but you could catch that on YouTube. 119 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 3: But we'll make sure that the podcast has that full 120 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 3: conversation and then sometimes an unedited version of it. 121 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, because when we cut for TV, we have. 122 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 3: To make it for a cert time and sometimes these 123 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: go over, so you might catch a few nuggets in 124 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 3: there that don't make in one. 125 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: What about like Booth Review? Where's that going to be? 126 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 3: That's on Mondays? That's Bram and London. Huh, they're with you. 127 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: On the side on Sundays. I'm on the sideline there indio. 128 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 3: In the radio booth though, right, So on Mondays after 129 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 3: the game, after every game, the two guys that called 130 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 3: the game, Bram and London, they're going to recap it 131 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 3: for everybody. That's Booth Review. That's another podcast toscription. Listen 132 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 3: to all these podcasts. 133 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 2: It's you can't get enough. You'll have a. 134 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 3: Podcast every single day. If you're a Commander's fan, that's 135 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 3: just Commanders Gut. 136 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: And I think the cool thing about them is like sometimes, 137 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: like with PFF, they do kind of a very similar 138 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: show every single day and people like it because it's good. 139 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: Of these are all distinct voices, distinct perspectives, diferent hosts, 140 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: and different kind of narratives around the team. So that's 141 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: all gonna be different. You gotta subscribe to all of them. 142 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta, you gotta catch it out. This is 143 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 3: a lot of good stuff and uh, if you're a commuter, 144 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 3: this is this is the way that, this is, this 145 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 3: is the way to do it. Yeah, so make sure 146 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 3: you find them on Apple and Spotify, wherever you get 147 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 3: your podcasts. They're all out there. Okay, we got Trevor 148 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 3: sickrama this ticket to the draft. We did a lot 149 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 3: of pitching here, but we want people to know where 150 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 3: this content is because we have a lot coming out. 151 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 3: But I think it's time to get to uh yeah, 152 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 3: I'm out of here. He uh. He really burns me 153 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 3: pretty good on my take, right. 154 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 2: But it wasn't a bad burn. 155 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 3: But I gotta, you know what, I make a bold 156 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 3: prediction that uh that Trevor is like, oh, but uh, 157 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 3: but you know what, I think that I'm gonna hold 158 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 3: the one to that prediction, and uh, I'm gonna box 159 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 3: up some kool Aid some Commanders school Aid. Send it 160 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 3: out to him and he'll be He'll get. 161 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: We should cut that out and if it if it hits, 162 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: you should just send it. 163 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be like take that, Trevor, all right, Yeah, 164 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 3: So here he is. 165 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: I'm logan Pulse Near with a special guest, Trevor Sikima, 166 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: lead draft analyst for pff MAN. Thank you so much 167 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: for joining us. Always appreciate having your expertise on the show. 168 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,239 Speaker 4: Okay's always good to be with you, my friend. Appreciate 169 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 4: you having me on. 170 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: So we're going to talk kind of like a draft 171 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: retrospective here, I think. So let's start off with the 172 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: easiest highest level. After the preseason goes through, you know, 173 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: you see the rookies that made the team. How do 174 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: you feel about your draft grade for Washington? 175 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 4: It was a high draft grade. I really love this 176 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 4: draft and I still do, right and I think that 177 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 4: some of the players that you saw make this team 178 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 4: and even some of the moves that you saw this 179 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 4: teammate sort of reflect how high they are on a 180 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 4: lot of these rookies as well. I mean you can 181 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 4: point out, you know, them moving on from Johan Dotson, 182 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 4: I wonder if a reason why is because they're high 183 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 4: on what could be the potential of Luke McCaffrey and 184 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 4: what he could potentially be in this wide receiver room, Right, 185 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 4: I mean, do you make that move if Luke McCaffrey 186 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 4: is playing a lot more poorly in training camp and 187 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 4: in preseason than than what he what he ended up playing, 188 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 4: which I thought was pretty solid for them. And so 189 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 4: you know, you're just looking around the entire jet chart 190 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 4: and it's obviously not a full on rookie class that 191 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 4: you know everybody's going to start, but you either see 192 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 4: guys who are stepping into starting positions early on or 193 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 4: you could see past playing time for them within their 194 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 4: rookie year. So I was pretty bullish on Washington's class overall. 195 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 4: I still think it's a lot of players that they're 196 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 4: going to utilize very very well. And I still feel 197 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 4: that way now, especially after the preseason and seeing the 198 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 4: final fifty three man roster. 199 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's one of those things where it's like 200 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: kind of like rebuild, retool. You know, rookies are going 201 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: to play a big role in that group. And so 202 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: another guy that I think is interesting is Brandon Coleman. Like, 203 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if we talked about a post rapt 204 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: but where did you have him and what have you 205 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: thought about I mean, he didn't play in the preseason, 206 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: so I'll have to tell you what I think of 207 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: his preseason. But what did you think of him in 208 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 1: the draft process? 209 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 4: No, I like Brandon Coleman. I really did. Now he 210 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 4: was somebody who I thought it was. I thought it 211 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 4: might take a little bit of time for him to 212 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 4: be a starter at the NFL level, But when I 213 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 4: watched him at TCU, like, I saw the starting caliber 214 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 4: traits and this is somebody who I remember going on 215 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 4: you know, some shows where you know, people covering the 216 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 4: Commanders and they were saying, you know, like, oh, we 217 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 4: wish you would have taken an offensive tackle earlier, Like 218 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 4: fans are like, man, we really needed to take an 219 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 4: offensive tackle a little bit earlier. And I went, you know, 220 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 4: I know they they waited a little bit longer, but 221 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 4: for the draft to play out the way that it did, 222 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 4: I don't want to say they got like lucky, because 223 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 4: I don't want to discount what a great job that 224 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 4: they probably did in prep planning for this draft, but 225 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 4: to have gotten the players they did earlier, Jadeen Daniels, 226 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 4: Youreson Newton, Mike Sanders still, and then you still get 227 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 4: Brandon Coleman where you did. That guy could be a 228 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 4: starting offensive tackle for you at some point or just 229 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 4: an overall starting offensive lineman for you at some point. 230 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 4: So I think the tools are definitely there for him. 231 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 4: I think the athleticism beside all this stuff. I really 232 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 4: liked him, and I figured that he was going to 233 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 4: be a mid round pick. And when Washington again was 234 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 4: able to get him where they did, I thought to myself, Man, 235 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 4: this getting Coleman at that point makes taking those guys 236 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 4: that you already have in the draft even better because 237 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 4: you didn't you didn't have. Now you don't have to 238 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 4: sit here and go, oh, well, you know, we picked 239 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 4: this guy, but we didn't get an offensive tackle the future. 240 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 4: I think you still got an offensive tackle of the future, 241 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 4: at least a guy who gives you that sort of potential. 242 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 4: And any time you're outside of the top twenty or 243 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 4: first round, I should say it's always sort of a 244 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 4: coin flip or a risk anyways that these guys in 245 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 4: the trenches are going to work out. So Coleman's a 246 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 4: goodwin and I thought they got a really good draft 247 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 4: value there with him. 248 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's an interesting guy because you know, in twenty 249 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: twenty three he's playing a lot of guard and then 250 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two played predominant tackle. So you're kind 251 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: of like, why did you make the switch? But I think, 252 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: like you said, the measurables, the athleticism, it's all there, 253 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: just got to put it together. A guy that you 254 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: did mention when you were kind of going through those 255 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: high value picks earlier was a guy Mike Sandrastill, and 256 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 1: he's just been tremendous in training camp, you know, playing 257 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: the nickel, playing a little outside. He just has like 258 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: kind of elite level intuition, which is pretty pretty fun 259 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: to watch and see that kind of be executed in practice. 260 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: What do you think of him and like, what is 261 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: the expectation for him going to this season based on 262 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: what you saw in college? 263 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think that he's also just an 264 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 4: elite level competitor, right, Yeah, that when you get to 265 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 4: high level where whether it's FBS or the NFL, sometimes 266 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 4: fans think, oh, yeah, well, all these guys are competitive. 267 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 4: Well I think that they're all competitive, but there's certainly 268 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 4: a difference, and when you watch a guy like Mike Sandrusso, 269 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 4: who it feels like he is playing every rep like 270 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 4: it's just last. I mean, that just absolutely stands out 271 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 4: for you, and it's why you prioritize a player like that, because, 272 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 4: let's face it, san Rusol is not the biggest guy 273 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 4: in the world. He's lightning quick, but he's also not 274 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 4: the fastest guy in the world. So I'm telling you 275 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 4: there's gonna be reps that you see this season and 276 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 4: beyond where the quarterback puts the ball just out of 277 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 4: reach of where his hand can get to even if 278 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 4: he's close in coverage, or you might see a super 279 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 4: fast NFL level wide receiver break away and be able 280 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 4: to create a little bit of separation on him. You're 281 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 4: gonna have a couple of those reps. But you still 282 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 4: take this guy where you did in the second round 283 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 4: because he does so much for you when it comes to, 284 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 4: like you said, that competitiveness, that high football IQ, that 285 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 4: those instincts that feel for the game that he already 286 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 4: is displaying in training camp and preseason before he's even 287 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 4: started his rookie year in the NFL. That's why you 288 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 4: take a player like that. In on a Michigan defense 289 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 4: that had some dogs this past year. They talked about 290 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 4: Mike sand Rastill as the heart and soul of that team, 291 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 4: and I think that that absolutely means a lot for 292 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 4: a national championship, undefeated, number one in the country type 293 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 4: of a defense. And so you take a player like that, 294 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 4: and you love a player like that because he's going 295 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 4: to be fearless in every single assignment that I think 296 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 4: that he goes up against, no matter what receivers are 297 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 4: going to be in the slot, and playing in the 298 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 4: slot in today's day and age is really really difficult. 299 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 4: You've got offensive coordinators who are going to be creative 300 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 4: enough to put tight ends there, to put wide receiver 301 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 4: ones there, to put all sorts of receivers of different 302 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 4: shapes and sizes in those spots. And yet sand Rastillo 303 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 4: is going to be up for whatever challenge dan Quinn 304 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 4: puts before him. But I think that player and coach, 305 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 4: this to me is a match made in heaven. So 306 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 4: I love the landing spot of san Raso getting to 307 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 4: play in this defense. 308 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think one of the things you talked 309 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: about there, which I love is competitiveness, you know, And 310 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: I just for me personally, Like, how do you weigh that, 311 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: like when you're doing your draft evaluation, because I think 312 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: one of the things about Washington is like they didn't 313 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: necessarily go for the most physically gifted guys. You kind 314 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: of alluded to that there with Mike SANDERSO, but you 315 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: went for the guys that were just like dog competitors. 316 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: You know, like when you look at you know, Jane 317 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: Daniels to John Nude and Mike sandersol Benson and they 318 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: all have that characteristic as an evaluator, how do you 319 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: weigh that? You know? Because again that's that's like you 320 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: watch the film. The film is one thing, but understanding 321 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: the person seems to be so important. 322 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 4: No, it is, It's absolutely important. And you know, it's funny. 323 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 4: I've been going to the Combine seven years in a row. 324 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 4: I think was this this might this past combine for me? 325 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 4: And you sit at those podiums and you listen to 326 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 4: head coaches and you listen to channel managers and people 327 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 4: from the beat. I don't blame for this. They always 328 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 4: ask them this question. They're like, oh, you know, what 329 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 4: are you here to see? You know, it's like, oh, 330 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 4: what are you here to evaluate? And they all say 331 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 4: the same thing. We're trying to find out what makes 332 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 4: these players tick. It'll be some sort of words that 333 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 4: basically describe that we are trying to figure out who 334 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 4: these guys are as people as much as players. We've 335 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 4: watched the tape, We've talked to their coaches. We're going 336 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 4: to see them run whatever. We already know what they're 337 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 4: basically going to run because they do a lot of 338 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 4: intel on these players. They're trying to figure out who 339 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 4: they are as competitors. Kind of what you're saying, and 340 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 4: that's a major part of the draft process that for 341 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 4: somebody who's on the outside looking in. I don't always 342 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 4: get a chance to know that about every single player. 343 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 4: But when I am able to find that out, whether 344 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 4: it's through sources, you know, talking to some of their coaches, 345 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 4: you know, maybe talking to a scout, or even just 346 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 4: some watching them and how they play, it's something that 347 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 4: you absolutely have to know. You know, when I'm building 348 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 4: my big board, I have a numerical value for film 349 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 4: grade that I give them, and the film is broken 350 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 4: up into a lot of different categories depending on position, 351 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 4: and when I'm putting together my big board, the very 352 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 4: first thing that I'll do is I'll take all the 353 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 4: positions and all their numerical grade that I'm able to 354 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 4: give them through film, and I will kind of put 355 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 4: that in a list and I will sort it, and 356 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 4: then I will go through it and say, Okay, I 357 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 4: gave this guy a certain film grade. These guys have 358 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 4: the same film grade, but I'm gonna put this guy 359 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 4: higher because of some of those X factors, that competitive 360 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 4: nature what we have heard, and so it's something that 361 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 4: is a luxury whenever I get to learn a little 362 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 4: bit apart a little bit of a player's perspective and 363 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 4: their scouting report, when I get to kind of build 364 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 4: it out and shape it out in that regard, and 365 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 4: that is the thing the scouting staffs, I don't know 366 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 4: if I want to say, spend the most time on. 367 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 4: But it's the most underrated part of all of this 368 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 4: is fans. Everybody loves to talk about how high a 369 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 4: guy jumps, or how fast he runs, or how big 370 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 4: he is. Like NFL teams, they all know that same stuff. 371 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 4: They're trying to figure out who these guys are underneath 372 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 4: the helmet between the ears, if you will. So that 373 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 4: is something that when you get to learn that stuff. 374 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 4: It could be the difference of all right, I maybe 375 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 4: had a third round grade on this guy on film, 376 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 4: but he is somebody I want on my football team, 377 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 4: So maybe you'll take them a little bit ahead of 378 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 4: that as a luxury because you just need it. 379 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting to that point. 380 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: I still have a lot of friends that coach the NFL, 381 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: and one of the things they say is, like, with 382 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: the prevalence of PFF and the film that they're able 383 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: to get and how they're able to sort the film, 384 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: they don't really need the scouts as much for the 385 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,359 Speaker 1: film evaluation anymore. They need them for the character evaluation. 386 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: And so I think it's great that you are kind 387 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: of delving that too in your evaluation and trying to 388 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: piece that together. Another thing, you know, we talked about 389 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: Mike Sandmer still safety was a big kind of addition 390 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: to this roster, and obviously they drafted Dominie Campton. Tyler 391 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: Owens is another guy that kind of squeaked in there 392 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: on the roster and had an absolutely marvelous preseason playing 393 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: special teams. What are your thoughts on those guys, because 394 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: they are kind of unique, you know, they are kind 395 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: of bigger body, long, limb very I'm gonna say, dan 396 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: Quinn esques type of safeties if you look at what 397 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: they did in Dallas. 398 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, one of my favorite narratives or things to explore 399 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 4: or watch for after the draft of any team in 400 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 4: the NFL was what dan Quinn and the Washington Commanders 401 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 4: were going to do with these safeties in particular, because 402 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 4: remember it's not just Tyler Owens and Dominique Campton. This 403 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 4: also came after you brought in Jeremy Chnn as well. 404 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 4: So it's these hybrid players. And you look at, for example, 405 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 4: what Jaron Curse was for the Dallas Cowboys defense, and 406 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three, Jaron Curse 407 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 4: had pretty dang good overall grades playing as this hybrid safety, linebacker, 408 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 4: slot defender type of player. And dan Quinn already understands 409 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,959 Speaker 4: that mold. And not only did he bring in a 410 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 4: player that could play that, like Jeremy chin, he doubled 411 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 4: and tripled down if you will, drafting a player like 412 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 4: Dominie Campton, who I read it made the team as 413 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 4: a linebacker after playing safety. And you know, if you 414 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 4: plug Dominie Campton's combine performance you know, if you could 415 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 4: go to mock draftable and see sort of his percentiles 416 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 4: of his athleticism when he's measured up against other NFL safeties, 417 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 4: if you change that category to linebacker, all all of 418 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 4: a sudden, his athleticism is movement skills goes to eightieth 419 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 4: and ninetieth percentile and basically all athletic categories. So dan 420 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 4: Quinn's trying to get the athletic advantage with him playing 421 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 4: as so pseudo linebacker, with Bobby Wagner, with Frankie Luvu, 422 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 4: with those kinds of guys. Tyler Owens is the same 423 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 4: way a player who you know can really come downhill 424 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 4: for it begin and ace on special teams because of 425 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 4: his size and his speed and his strength combination, and 426 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 4: obviously you throw that in with Jeremy Chin as well. 427 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 4: I don't know exactly what it's going to look like, 428 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 4: you know, I'm looking at the position pivots and the 429 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 4: snaps of where they were aligned throughout the preseason, and 430 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 4: it's just very versatile. Like it's a lot of the 431 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 4: same stuff. A lot of it comes from them being 432 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 4: box defenders. Especially for Hampton when I looked his up, 433 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 4: they're playing him more as a linebacker, which totally makes sense. 434 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 4: But he got guys like Chin and the guys like 435 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 4: Owens who are playing more cider like free safeties. It's 436 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 4: alot defenders and things like that. So it's very versatile, 437 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 4: and I think that's something that Dan and Quinn really 438 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 4: leaned into, is give me a lot of guys that 439 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 4: can keep me as versatile and as multiple as possible. 440 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,959 Speaker 4: And I think that those are two players who I'm 441 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 4: really excited to see Hampton specifically because I think he 442 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 4: could be in that rotation. Owens maybe more of just 443 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 4: a special teamer and can step up if somebody ends 444 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 4: up getting hurt. But how they deploy those guys is 445 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 4: something I'm really looking forward to watching this season. 446 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean too. 447 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: And I think it's not only you know with like 448 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: Hampton and you know Owens, it's also like Kwon Martin. 449 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: He can play Nickely can play safety, and so they 450 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: have all this flexibility across the board. And he's a 451 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: draft pick for last year obviously, but last, last, but 452 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 1: not least, we got to save the best position for 453 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: last and that's Ben Senate and he's just been a 454 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: guy that's been super impressive to me through the process. Again, 455 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: I lucked his film a lot, but I think the 456 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: physicality that he plays with has surprised me a little bit. 457 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 1: I knew it was a tough guy, but to see 458 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: kind of what that brings. Did that show up in 459 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: the evaluation for you at all when you were checking 460 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: these guys. 461 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 4: Out, Oh no, at one hundred percent? Did And you know, 462 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 4: you look at Ben Sentet and I just kind of 463 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 4: pulled up his measurables right here. You know, twenty eight 464 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 4: percentile in height for a tight end, thirty ninth percent 465 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 4: tile and wait, you know, twenty fifth percent tile when 466 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 4: it comes to wingspan, and twenty third percent tile on 467 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 4: arm length. Like he's just not the biggest dude in 468 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 4: the world. Now, obviously he was able to move a 469 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 4: little bit better. You know, his scores in forty yard 470 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 4: dash and the vertical jump, like a lot of that 471 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 4: was a lot higher because he's a smaller tight end. 472 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 4: But when you turn on the tape and you go, okay, 473 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 4: I'm probably just going to see you know, like more 474 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 4: athletic tight end, probably going to struggle a little bit 475 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 4: with contested catches. You don't want him on the line 476 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 4: of scrimmage you don't really see that with his tape. 477 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 4: I mean, he is a stick his nose in there 478 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 4: whenever he needs to type of a player. And is 479 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 4: he gonna, you know, blow somebody go get blow a 480 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 4: defensive end off the ball when he's attached to the 481 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 4: Lion scrimmage. No, but he'll give you absolutely his best 482 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 4: that he can. And that's why they play him at 483 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,239 Speaker 4: full back, They'll play him in line, they play him 484 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 4: in the slot. And so the slot value for Senate 485 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 4: I think goes without saying what we've seen from his 486 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 4: Kansas State film. But the reason why you draft him 487 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 4: as early as they did in the mid rounds is 488 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 4: because you prioritize everything that he could be for you. 489 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 4: And again going back to what you said, maybe it's 490 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 4: not the biggest dudes in the world. I mean, it's 491 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 4: funny that I say it's not the biggest dudes in 492 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 4: the world and they drafted Dominie Campton and Tyler Owens, 493 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 4: who aren't like the biggest safeties in the world. But 494 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 4: you know, some like Senate and Mike saying Rastill we 495 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 4: mentioned and you know, even going to jers On Newton 496 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 4: a little bit little undersized for a three technique defensive tackle, 497 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 4: you don't care because you're getting the right guys in there. 498 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 4: And I think that was just the theme overall this 499 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 4: entire offseason for the Commanders is Hey, new ownership, new 500 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 4: general manager, new head coach, knew everything, and they moved 501 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 4: on from a lot of players, and they brought in 502 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 4: a lot of players in free agency, a big draft class. 503 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 4: They kept a lot of those guys because they're trying 504 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 4: to change the core of this So Senate is another 505 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 4: player who just feels like his presence is changing the 506 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 4: core and the culture of this team for not only 507 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 4: what they know his strengths are, but also some of 508 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 4: those X factor parts of just being a damn good 509 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 4: football player. So I think it's Senate it's going to 510 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 4: get on the field quite a bit this year. 511 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, So Obviously we talked about the best position. 512 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: Now let's talk about the most important position, which is quarterback. Obviously, 513 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: I don't know how much you've watched Jane Daniels, because 514 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: I know you got to watch all thirty two teams 515 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: plus like a thousand draft prospects. So, but Jane Daniels 516 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: in the preseason, what have you thought of him? And 517 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: how does that compare to your evaluation, I absolutely loved it. 518 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 4: What was it was the Miami game that he played 519 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 4: the most? Is that correct? 520 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: Yes? Yeh, look at you man. You watched all that 521 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: film you can still remember it. 522 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 4: So okay, there we go. So I was watching that 523 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 4: Miami game and I was really impressed with Jaden and 524 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 4: some people are gonna be like, oh, he was impressed 525 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 4: with you know, the deep throw that he had. No 526 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 4: beyond the deep drow. Actually, what impress me the most 527 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 4: about Jade and Daniels is actually the sideline comeback throws 528 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 4: that he had. I think he had a couple of 529 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 4: them where you got to think about it. Put yourself 530 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 4: in the shoes of a rookie quarterback number two overall. 531 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 4: Pick you're coming in, you're saving the franchise. One of 532 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 4: the most dangerous throws that you can throw is that 533 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 4: comeback round because if you are late on it or 534 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 4: if you miss it, those NFL corners they're gonna jump 535 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 4: that immediately. They're gonna pick the ball off. And then 536 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 4: if you pick off a comeback route, guess what, that's six. 537 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 4: Nobody's catching you. It's gonna be a pick six. Not 538 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 4: only is it a turnover for your team, but also 539 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 4: you're giving the other team points immediately afterwards as well. 540 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 4: To throw that route with pace, confidence and accuracy the 541 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 4: way that Jaden Daniels was able to do against Miami. 542 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 4: I went, man, I wondered if it was gonna be 543 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 4: a little bit of a learning curve for Daniels going 544 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 4: from college to the NFL, and how I don't want 545 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 4: to say like friendly. His offense was at LSU, but 546 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 4: it was very spread out, it was very spaced out. 547 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 4: He had elite receivers, he had big time match up 548 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 4: pluses that he could target basically on every single play. 549 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 4: It was always just going to be different at the 550 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 4: NFL level. But he was so confident in those throws 551 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 4: that I went, I'm not gonna be worried abot confidence 552 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 4: now going into the regular season. So we didn't see 553 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 4: a ton of them obviously, but that game particular, I 554 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 4: was even able to take away those little nuggets and say, 555 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,719 Speaker 4: I'm so excited to see what Jade Daniels is going 556 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 4: to be right outside of the game. 557 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 3: For this team. 558 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so obviously, like when you're doing quarterbacks, it's 559 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: one of the most like talked about positions in the 560 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: draft process, the big kind of talking point was Jane 561 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: Daniels versus Drake May. Drake May preseason had some really 562 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: explosive opportunities, but also showed a lot of what kind 563 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: of I don't know, like what characterizes film in college, 564 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: like a little bit inconsistency. Where do you stand on it? Now, 565 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: how do you feel both these guys are going to 566 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: be doing for their respective teams? 567 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I think that New England's a tough situation. What. Yeah, 568 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 4: it's going to be a tough situation for Drake May 569 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 4: independent of the fact that he definitely has to get better. 570 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:46,239 Speaker 4: There's no doubt about it. 571 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: I stop even one second. I think that's something people 572 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: forget though. It's like it's the situation for the quarterback 573 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 1: that almost leads to success, you know what I'm saying. 574 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: And like when it's a tough spot for him, it's 575 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: you're not putting like the organizations out put him in 576 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: in the best spot, you know what I mean? 577 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, no question about it. And of those three teams 578 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 4: at the very top of the draft that we're going 579 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 4: to select quarterbacks, the Chicago Bears, the Washington Commanders, and 580 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 4: the New England Patriots, the Patriots were by far the 581 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 4: least quarterback friendly situation that any of those guys could 582 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 4: have gone to. So for May, you saw some good, 583 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 4: you saw some bad from him the preseason, but I 584 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 4: think most importantly, I think that you did see that 585 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 4: confidence with him. Now they're starting Jacoby Brissett and a 586 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 4: lot of people like, oh, just throw Drake May out there. 587 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 4: They got to get their offensive line figured out first, 588 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 4: and I think that at least Jacoby, as a veteran, 589 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 4: understands how to maybe protect himself a little bit better 590 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 4: than they would behind that offensive line. Is that you're 591 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 4: looking to get better. They will start eventually for this team, 592 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 4: but really that offensive line's got to get a lot better. 593 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 4: Whereas Washington, Yeah, the offensive line wasn't as good as 594 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 4: it could have been last year, but they've made some 595 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 4: new additions. There's some new guys in there. I think 596 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 4: there's some optimism that it's going to be a good group. 597 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 4: And obviously you're playing with a quarterback who knows how 598 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 4: to get the ball out of his hands pretty quickly. 599 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 4: It's going to be a spread out offense with Cliff Kingsbury. 600 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 4: So I think it's yeah, I'm not Gonna. I had 601 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 4: Drake may A's QB two going into this class. I 602 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 4: can't sit here and say that from training camp of 603 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 4: the preseason, I'd flip it or anything like that, but 604 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 4: it is something that I'm excited to see these guys 605 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 4: play in their environments because I'll tell you I had 606 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 4: may QB two. But of the landing spots where Jade 607 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 4: Daniels realistically could have gone, Washington was one of my 608 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 4: favorite for the reasons of the fact that I think 609 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 4: that they're all in on making sure that they get 610 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 4: good playmakers over the next couple of years. Cliff Kingsbury, 611 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 4: I think his offense naturally is a good ushering into 612 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 4: the NFL and a transition depending on how long he's 613 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 4: the offensive coordinator of this team. I don't think it 614 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 4: really matters because this first year, I think it's going 615 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 4: to be an easier transition for him because of Kingsbury's 616 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 4: experience in college playing in a very spread out offense 617 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 4: like Jayden played in last year at LSU. So this 618 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 4: is a really good landing spot for him. And yeah, 619 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 4: I think it's That's kind of how I would see 620 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 4: these two situations, and it's just too where I'm excited 621 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 4: to see how it plays out for both of them. 622 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. 623 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 1: And you know, like it's if you had to change 624 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: your take after a couple preseason games, I've been like, man, 625 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 1: like you weren't very vindicated in your in your college takes, 626 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: right because there's nothing that you know, it takes sometimes 627 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: years to kind of figure out who the right guys are. 628 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: But you know, for Jade and Daniel specifically, this is 629 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: a commander's show. Obviously, what's your expectation for him? You 630 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 1: already alluded to kind of like situation, how you think 631 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 1: it's good here, Like, like, what's what's what's a productive 632 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: year for him in your in your estimation? 633 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly, Like I think that I've seen some projections 634 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 4: with him, you know, like throwing for over four thousand yards. Obviously, 635 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 4: I think that that'd be an excellent season for him 636 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 4: if he's able to do that. I think more realistic 637 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 4: Somewhere between thirty five hundred and four thousand yards is 638 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 4: probably more realistic for Jaden. But really, growth is what 639 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 4: you want to see from him. I don't think that 640 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 4: it's necessarily like, oh, if he hits a certain amount 641 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 4: of touchdowns or something like that. It's just more of 642 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 4: is the NFL game a little bit too much for him? 643 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 4: And I don't think that that's going to be the case. 644 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 4: Especially the little hints that I saw this preseason. I 645 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 4: hope that those are building blocks going into the regular season. 646 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 4: But really what you want to see from Jayden is 647 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 4: and I think the Commanders are going to be a 648 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 4: sneaky team this year. I think that they're going to win, 649 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 4: you know, somewhere between. I think six games is a 650 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 4: floor for this team, but I think they could win 651 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 4: anywhere from eight to nine games, depending on how well 652 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 4: these new players are able to adjust. But I'm a 653 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 4: big dan Quinn believer. I think the Cowboys are going 654 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 4: to take a little bit of a step back. So 655 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 4: I think the number two team in this division is 656 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 4: a lot closer than people are given a credit for 657 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 4: with the Cowboys and the Commanders. I promise I'm not 658 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 4: just saying. 659 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 2: That I'm on a Commander's show. 660 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 4: I really do. I'm a big dan Quinn guy. I've 661 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 4: been waiting for him to get another chance as the 662 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 4: head coach, so I'm excited for him. But going back 663 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 4: to Jayden, as long as the second half of this season, 664 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 4: he's playing his best ball, right think about I don't 665 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 4: know if it's going to be quite what Jordan Love 666 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 4: played with last year. Becauld Jordan Love turned into an 667 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 4: elite quarterback, but Jordan Love was still trying to figure 668 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 4: stuff out in the first half of that season, and 669 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 4: then the second half of the season when that continue 670 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 4: what he was there, he just just absolutely took off. 671 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 4: So what you really want is you want a solid 672 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 4: offensive output year for him. Again, I think anywhere from 673 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 4: thirty five hundred to four thousand yards, especially in this offense, 674 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,959 Speaker 4: that would be a really good season for him, especially 675 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 4: if you can say at the end of the season 676 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 4: December he was starting to really play his best ball. 677 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I totally agree. 678 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: As long as he's showing some type of consistent maturation, 679 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: I think everyone's going to feel very good about where 680 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: he's at. And obviously the Commander's moving forward. All right, 681 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 1: give me your surprise rookie standout for the Commanders. Is 682 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: there a guy you're like, Oh, I really liked him, 683 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: people are sleeping on him, anybody like that. 684 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 4: So we've talked about a lot of guys already, But 685 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 4: I'm going to go back to Luke McCaffrey. I was 686 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 4: quickly impressed with McCaffrey when I saw him at the 687 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 4: Senior Bowl and how he was able to play another 688 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 4: dude that's just tough as nails man. And again, I 689 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 4: don't know, this is just a hunch. I don't have 690 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 4: any sort of insight information here, but I don't think 691 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 4: you move on from Johan Dotson when you do if 692 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 4: you don't think, hey, you know what, we got guys 693 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 4: in the building that we don't mind giving a shot too. 694 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 4: Maybe they don't think they don't think McCaffrey is going 695 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 4: to win, like you know, first team All Rookie or something, 696 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 4: but at least saying, hey, we like what we've seen 697 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 4: enough from this guy to where we're going to give 698 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 4: him a shot. And I remember McCaffrey went into college 699 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 4: football playing quarterback. He was a quarterback for Nebraska before 700 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 4: he ended up transferring over to playing wide receiver when 701 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 4: he was at Rice. And so he's already so nuanced 702 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 4: I think for the position. Obviously, his dad being a 703 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 4: longtime Super Bowl champion Nfler, and you know his brother Christian, Yeah, 704 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 4: not bad football player himself, but I think that you 705 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 4: look at McCaffrey's game, and it's already so mature that 706 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 4: there's a reason why they think, hey, we can get 707 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 4: this guy on the field. I think he could produce 708 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 4: for us. So if I had like a surprising rookie, 709 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 4: or like a bold take for a rookie, I guess 710 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 4: I don't know how bold this is, but like five 711 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 4: six touchdowns for Luke McCaffery. You know, let's get him 712 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 4: in a lineup. You know, I think that he's got 713 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 4: the opportunity to be able to do it. I look 714 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 4: at McLaurin, he's to do it all wide super for you. 715 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 4: I think Diami Brown is a really nice vertical threat 716 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 4: for you old maids. The keys gives you a little 717 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 4: bit of flash and some quickness to you. But McCaffrey 718 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 4: as that big slot receiver I think could be a 719 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 4: little bit of a mismatch every single week. So I'll 720 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 4: say McCaffrey has a pretty good year. 721 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 2: I like that. I like that. 722 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: Our producer just guy Jason's what we call him on 723 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: the show. Jason Johnson's his full name anyway, because we're not, 724 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: you know, besmirching Jason over here. But anyway, he's his 725 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: ball prediction is that Mike Sanders still is Defensive Rookie 726 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: of the Year. And what would you say to Jason 727 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: Jason's take on that. 728 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 4: There's Unfortunately for Jason, there's a lot of really good 729 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 4: d dressers from this class, and when you get sacks 730 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,719 Speaker 4: as a rookie, it's so easy to win that award. 731 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 4: One is so tough to win that award anyways, as 732 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 4: a defensive back, you just have to get a lot 733 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 4: of interceptions. But in order for Sandrastille to win it, 734 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 4: in my opinion, the PFF grades would have to be 735 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 4: pretty high because I think people would have to recognize 736 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 4: him as a really good run defender and sometimes those 737 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 4: are like tough stats, like you don't really have those games. 738 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 4: So I think that he'd have to be recognized as 739 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 4: a really good run defender and then he'd probably have 740 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 4: to have something like four interceptions. 741 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 2: That's what he said. 742 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 4: That's right, So it's like, so I think that he 743 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 4: could be in the conversation. The problem is, I think 744 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 4: layout to lotso for the Colts is probably gonna get 745 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 4: like ten sacks, and so like, if somebody gets ten 746 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 4: sacks as a rookie, they're gonna win the Award or 747 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 4: you know, Dallas Turner's gonna get a lot of opportunities 748 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 4: for the Vikings, and so I love for Mike, you 749 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 4: Sirius to win it. It's just I don't know it. 750 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 4: It's always very tough for a corner. 751 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: It's an uphill climb for sure. Trevor, thank you so 752 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,239 Speaker 1: much for joining us. We always appreciate your insight. Like 753 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: I would try to pub or promo all the stuff 754 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: you've got going on, but I just feel like every 755 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: time I talk to you, there's something new going on. 756 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:30,959 Speaker 2: So I let you handle that. 757 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: You got new shows, new things are doing, So where 758 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: can people find you? 759 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, we got a new content lineup at PFF this 760 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 4: year that we're really excited about. It starts on Mondays 761 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 4: in the afternoon when we are doing a grades release show, 762 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 4: and so instead of like a you know, just like okay, 763 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 4: we're gonna it's the way that we basically review all 764 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 4: the games that happened over this past weekend, but we 765 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 4: do it by exclusively revealing the grades there on the 766 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 4: show that people can tune into and watch, and so 767 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 4: we'll reveal the grades and then we'll kind of talk 768 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 4: about the performances and how the grades got to where 769 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 4: they worse. So I'm excited about that one. We've got 770 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 4: a lot of other short shows where we'll be highlighting rookies, quarterbacks, 771 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 4: trench players, little individual shows throughout the week, and then 772 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 4: obviously our previous shows that we do on Thursdays, we'll 773 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 4: be doing those as well, so I'll be in for 774 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 4: all those shows. So hopefully people don't get too sick 775 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 4: of my face and my voice this season. But we're 776 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 4: really excited about how we're covering the league this year. 777 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: And are you still doing your draft show. I'm sure 778 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: you're doing that as well. 779 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 4: I am, yes, NFL Stockey Change is still rolling myself 780 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 4: and Connor Rogers, So again, you know to your audience, 781 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,719 Speaker 4: anytime you ever want to turn the page figure out 782 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 4: what twenty twenty five NFL Draft might have for the 783 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 4: Washington Commanders, come hang out on the NFL Stockey Change podcast. 784 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: Man's busy Man. We really appreciate making time for us, 785 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:42,719 Speaker 1: Thanks so much. 786 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 4: Sure appreciate brothers anytime.