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Speaker 2: all that ails you and all that concerns you about
Speaker 2: college football. We will be back at some point in
Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks to talk in person again,
Speaker 2: but for the interim, you and I are pre recording
Speaker 2: a Q and A show. We've been trying to do
Speaker 2: these once a month because people always send in cool questions,
Speaker 2: and we we try to rotate the non college football theme.
Speaker 1: What did we go with today? Restaurants, restaurant etiquette, specifically,
Speaker 1: what to do in certain situations when you find yourself
Speaker 1: not knowing where to go, not restaurant wise, but once
Speaker 1: you're in the restaurant, when you have to make a
Speaker 1: life decision, what do I do? We're here to help.
Speaker 1: Great questions that came in, very very poignant questions.
Speaker 2: Here, a lot of specific ones. I love that, very
Speaker 2: good questions. We'll get into those in a little bit.
Speaker 2: Also a bunch of football questions here. Don't forget you
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Speaker 2: or find us on Facebook or on Twitter. We did
Speaker 2: have a few questions that referenced this article, and I
Speaker 2: did want to start here before we get into our
Speaker 2: Q and A. But a really cool article that you
Speaker 2: guys over at Espionation put out here announcing I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's so much candidacy, a vision, whatever you
Speaker 2: want to call it, Bill Connolly for College Football Commissioner. Yes,
Speaker 2: it was published on May the twenty second, and he
Speaker 2: puts forth nine cool ideas for fixing college football or
Speaker 2: his vision for college football as we move forward. So
Speaker 2: a student athlete bill of rights, modernizing amateurism. What else
Speaker 2: fixing recruiting, expanding the playoff, bringing back the damn video game,
Speaker 2: and caa series, emotion and relegation. A bunch of interesting
Speaker 2: concepts and visions here that Bill puts forth. I am
Speaker 2: ready to sign my name on the dotted line to
Speaker 2: get behind this. I'm excited. Was there anything that you
Speaker 2: saw in here right that you said yes? I either
Speaker 2: love that, no, I really hate that. What was your
Speaker 2: reaction to this?
Speaker 1: So my reaction was, because by now everybody should know
Speaker 1: we love Bill c And how deeply he gets into
Speaker 1: college football. It's almost all positive. There's nothing really negative.
Speaker 1: It's just some of the things I look at as
Speaker 1: being sort of a little unrealistic. And maybe it's the
Speaker 1: scheduling thing, which I like the idea as any sports
Speaker 1: should run, like the way Bill wants college football to run,
Speaker 1: but because of the way, and I'll be specific, like
Speaker 1: he wants pods scheduling, like he always played the same
Speaker 1: three teams. He wants a bracketbuster in the middle of
Speaker 1: the season to sort of shake things up and we
Speaker 1: get sort of better matchups because of it. Everything he
Speaker 1: is positioning with his candidacy as for scheduling and as
Speaker 1: for the organization of the sport makes a lot more
Speaker 1: sense than the way it's constituted now. The only thing
Speaker 1: is when you start scheduling and you start going relegation,
Speaker 1: it chips away at the sort of the context you
Speaker 1: have for Notre Dame, or for Oregon, or for Texts
Speaker 1: A and M, or for Louisville or for usc whatever.
Speaker 1: Whereas if you're not all of a sudden playing a
Speaker 1: lot of the same teams every year, then you lose
Speaker 1: a lot of context. So it's like Arizona is not
Speaker 1: a rival of Oregon, but every year Oregon plays Arizona,
Speaker 1: I'm flooded with the context and memories that matchup. And
Speaker 1: that's what it sort of seasons it in a unique
Speaker 1: way that perhaps a more ambitious, futuristic way of scheduling
Speaker 1: and organizing the sport doesn't if you were One of
Speaker 1: the examples he used was with relegation specifically, like, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe watching a Virginia game at the end of the
Speaker 1: season wasn't all that fun for anybody, Virginia fans included,
Speaker 1: but if there was relegation on the line, so if
Speaker 1: you know, Virginia was going to have to go down
Speaker 1: and become a group of five school and not an
Speaker 1: ACC school they were playing against an FCS school or
Speaker 1: something like that. If Virginia gets relegated, that's such a
Speaker 1: huge blow to I think Virginia's bottom line, and you
Speaker 1: start to sort of inflict some wounds into the sport
Speaker 1: that might be unintended in some cases. So that's what
Speaker 1: sort of jumped out to me that in a perfect world,
Speaker 1: in a vacuum, all of this pretty much works and
Speaker 1: would make the sport more fun and higher quality. I
Speaker 1: just don't know that you can unweave a lot of
Speaker 1: the fabric that's it's in place already.
Speaker 2: If you were to start tomorrow day one new college football,
Speaker 2: you could put a lot of this stuff in. The
Speaker 2: problem now is not that these aren't good ideas. The
Speaker 2: problem is that there is obviously a contractual obligation on
Speaker 2: so many different fronts to continue the status quo.
Speaker 1: Sure, relegation promotion.
Speaker 2: By the way, for those that aren't tracking, it's a
Speaker 2: lot like they do in English soccer, or really in
Speaker 2: any soccer league where the bottom three or however many
Speaker 2: teams at the bottom of said league said conference go
Speaker 2: down to a Tier two league the following year if
Speaker 2: they don't do well enough to continue on in their
Speaker 2: present division. And in some cases, if you're in like
Speaker 2: a Tier two league and you finish in the top two,
Speaker 2: well then maybe you get to bump up and play
Speaker 2: against the big boys the next season.
Speaker 1: Sure, like Bois say, would have been like a Pac
Speaker 1: ten school, a Pac twelve school, with all the success
Speaker 1: they had by the time time they were killing everybody
Speaker 1: in the Wacken Mountain West.
Speaker 2: Or even like in North Dakota State might have progressively
Speaker 2: been able to work their way up into a top
Speaker 2: tier conference. It's an interesting concept. I like the concept.
Speaker 2: My thing with college football has always been the issue
Speaker 2: is that the football teams are tied to an academic institution.
Speaker 2: If you could somehow find a way to decouple those two,
Speaker 2: I think you'd solve a lot of problems. But we're
Speaker 2: so far into it now, and obviously the financial stakes
Speaker 2: are so high that that's never anything we could find
Speaker 2: a way to do.
Speaker 1: There's no way. I think the fact that it starts
Speaker 1: with the Student Athlete Bill of Rights to just sort
Speaker 1: of organize everything in terms of what is availed to
Speaker 1: the players playing college football, especially on a high level,
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense because we came from a
Speaker 1: sport that was like, Okay, well the Pac ten is
Speaker 1: doing this, the ACC is doing this, the Big twelve
Speaker 1: over the Big eight or the SWC whatever. It's to
Speaker 1: be like these mini sports that just happen to be
Speaker 1: playing many conferences excuse me, or many regions that happen
Speaker 1: to be doing the same thing. Whereas now everything is
Speaker 1: so much more nationalized and it seems a lot more homogenous.
Speaker 1: With the TV deals, you know, every conference appears on
Speaker 1: one of two networks. Basically right now, so everybody has
Speaker 1: access to eyeballs. Everybody is trying to They're hiring each
Speaker 1: other's coaches. It's a lot less regional than it used
Speaker 1: to be, so centralizing the rights of the players of
Speaker 1: the labor it makes sense whether and Bill brings up
Speaker 1: the points of healthcare of you know, the right to
Speaker 1: graduate scholarships, you know, guaranteeing undergraduate scholarships, you know, safety guidelines,
Speaker 1: transfer rules that are set in place that everybody has
Speaker 1: to follow, and then the sort of Olympic style amateurism,
Speaker 1: which is what he is pitching, which basically says, and
Speaker 1: ty correct me if I'm wrong, it's that you have
Speaker 1: the right to earn based on your likeness. And I
Speaker 1: am all for this, and the you know, the obvious
Speaker 1: counter argument is, well, and you know, the schools with
Speaker 1: the most money and the boosters with the most money
Speaker 1: are only are always going to get the best players,
Speaker 1: which is how it already is. Yeah, it's just how
Speaker 1: it is already. And it would just be a way
Speaker 1: for schools to not have the burden of being creative
Speaker 1: to pay players and to let players go out and
Speaker 1: seek compensation themselves, which seems reasonable.
Speaker 2: Well, and that becomes then the foundation to actually bring
Speaker 2: back the video game. As he says here in his
Speaker 2: fourth bullet point, we'll put the link in the show
Speaker 2: description here so that if you haven't seen it, you
Speaker 2: can go out and check it out. But a lot
Speaker 2: of really good stuff here from Bill. I suspect this
Speaker 2: is something that you and I can discuss throughout the
Speaker 2: course of the entire offseason, because there is a lot
Speaker 2: of meat here. But I like the fact that he
Speaker 2: gets into scheduling, both division scheduling and non conference scheduling,
Speaker 2: and talks about how that could be an issue and
Speaker 2: it could be resolved. He also talks about the games
Speaker 2: being too long and the adverse effect that has on
Speaker 2: fans watching the game also taking part in the game.
Speaker 2: A lot of really good stuff here, But at least
Speaker 2: as of now, I support the cause for Bill c
Speaker 2: as College Football Commissioner. And the biggest point perhaps in
Speaker 2: all of this, certainly one of the most controversial points,
Speaker 2: which we will get into when we get to our
Speaker 2: Q and A here momentarily, is the topic around expanding
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Speaker 2: about college football. We talk a little bit tonight about
Speaker 2: restaurant etiquette. But let's start on the college football side,
Speaker 2: and let's first go to Augusto HMM. To dovetail nicely
Speaker 2: with our previous discussion about Bill Connolly's proposals his vision
Speaker 2: to try and modernize college football. Augusta writes in and
Speaker 2: says that an eight team playoff would radically change college
Speaker 2: football for the worst. Similar to college basketball, the season
Speaker 2: would not be as important and games would lose some
Speaker 2: sense of urgency, It will allow one or more two
Speaker 2: loss teams to get in, and this past year, as
Speaker 2: an example, might have allowed for a three loss team
Speaker 2: to get into the playoff. If two or three losses
Speaker 2: gets in, urgency of regular season is effectively gone. That's
Speaker 2: from Augusto not so much a question. This is a
Speaker 2: generally held viewpoint for a lot of people. Yeah, Ty,
Speaker 2: do you agree with this line of thinking that eight
Speaker 2: dilutes the interests in a college football postseason because it
Speaker 2: is too many teams? I would argue that eight out
Speaker 2: of whatever one hundred and thirty is different than sixty
Speaker 2: four out of three hundred, which are sixty eight out
Speaker 2: of three hundred. The percentages are sort of different in
Speaker 2: college basketball. But do you agree with this line of
Speaker 2: thinking that the the season would take on less importance
Speaker 2: with a bigger playoff. I don't think it diminishes the
Speaker 2: significance of those games down the stretch or at any
Speaker 2: point in the season. If now we've got eight instead
Speaker 2: of four, I just don't buy it. It's not college basketball.
Speaker 2: As you said, we're not picking sixty eight. We're still
Speaker 2: only picking eight, and so the stakes are still pretty high.
Speaker 2: Unless you're like you know, the number one team, maybe
Speaker 2: you go out and get blown out. All of a sudden,
Speaker 2: your candidacy to be part of that expanded playoff is
Speaker 2: somewhat in question. You're still playing for things that matter.
Speaker 2: The degrees might be a little bit off compared to
Speaker 2: what we're used to now in a four team playoffs.
Speaker 2: So no, I've never really bought into the whole urgency thing.
Speaker 1: So the thing that stands out to me about this
Speaker 1: argument is on the surface, it seems reasonable, but you
Speaker 1: think about the context of actual college football seasons and
Speaker 1: what teams go through, and sometimes you get and by
Speaker 1: sometimes I mean it feels like every year you get
Speaker 1: a team like twenty sixteen USC. They come out the gates,
Speaker 1: they look completely overmatched, but then they switch quarterbacks up,
Speaker 1: they get into a rhythm, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: by the end of the season, they've won the Rose Bowl,
Speaker 1: they have a presumptive number one overall NFL draft pick.
Speaker 1: And the idea is teams can greatly improve and we're
Speaker 1: adding I think, let's if we go from a four
Speaker 1: team playoff to an eight team playoff or adding I
Speaker 1: believe four games. Is that correct? Four total games in
Speaker 1: the playoff sure, so four more football games. I think
Speaker 1: it's okay to make peace with the fact that college
Speaker 1: football is a TV show. We all sort of like
Speaker 1: the fact that we can watch whatever college football game
Speaker 1: we'd like with minimal efforts, and that's because of TV
Speaker 1: availability and TV money, and it means more good matchups
Speaker 1: at the end of the year. Twenty sixteen didn't feel
Speaker 1: like we had a lot of good matchups throughout the
Speaker 1: year for whatever reason. It was just one of those years.
Speaker 1: But this basically guarantees a matchup like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: Penn State playing against Let's see, you had Michigan and
Speaker 1: Penn State being like, you know, five and six last year, right,
Speaker 1: so you have you have Penn State against Alabama, or
Speaker 1: you Penn State against Clemson, you have Michigan against Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. You get more good football
Speaker 1: at the end of the year with teams that, even
Speaker 1: if they don't at the end of the year have
Speaker 1: that clear argument that they deserve to be in the
Speaker 1: national championship conversation, you're still getting a top tier level
Speaker 1: of additional games and entertainment. So I can't look down
Speaker 1: at eight games as being like a deathknell for the
Speaker 1: sport that only has twelve regular season games annually to
Speaker 1: begin with, that's all we get twelve regular season games.
Speaker 1: So it's such a low number that I think people
Speaker 1: are going to stick with the sports until maybe it
Speaker 1: goes to sixty eight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sixteen I think would be an interesting argument. When
Speaker 2: you get to sixteen, maybe then maybe then this argument.
Speaker 1: Holds a little bit more water. But at eight, eight
Speaker 1: I think is big enough. Even six. NFL's got twelve
Speaker 1: of what thirty two? Yeah, that's a chunk. People still
Speaker 1: watch games if he gets to six.
Speaker 2: If you get to eight, you can effectively if you
Speaker 2: want to solve the issue about Power five conference champions
Speaker 2: not getting into the playoff. Yeah, and I think from
Speaker 2: my standpoint that that might be the most important argument
Speaker 2: for it. Let's make sure that we have the best
Speaker 2: from each conference represented in the National Championship playoff, whatever
Speaker 2: system that is. So, next question, Next question, Alan, has
Speaker 2: the national backlash against Lamar Jackson been so intense that
Speaker 2: he has become underrated? Oh my gosh, Okay, is there
Speaker 2: a backlash against Lamar Jackson that I was.
Speaker 1: Not aware of. I don't know that it's backlash as
Speaker 1: much as it is him flying under the radar because
Speaker 1: of his maybe the last third of twenty sixteen where
Speaker 1: he did struggle and the way he finished the bowl
Speaker 1: game wasn't great. He struggled, but also he had a
Speaker 1: particularly bad offensive line in front of him. You know,
Speaker 1: they lose something like thirty to nine, twenty nine to
Speaker 1: nine to LSU in the ballgame. They lose their final
Speaker 1: three games. You know, the Houston game was sort of
Speaker 1: everybody watch, you know, the Houston defense against Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: and that was sort of a mess for him as well.
Speaker 1: I would say he is too far underneath the radar
Speaker 1: for somebody who looked like a Heisman winner the first
Speaker 1: half of the season with how he played against Florida
Speaker 1: State and Clemson, and I would say he is. He
Speaker 1: is poised to have another big year. They have have
Speaker 1: the schedule in front of me, Ty, They have North
Speaker 1: Carolina and Clemson two of the first three weeks of
Speaker 1: the season, so he will be able to make a
Speaker 1: statement early on. Is if he is too far beneath.
Speaker 2: The radar, still only a sophomore last season, you got
Speaker 2: to give him a little bit of a chance to
Speaker 2: grow on top of that, though he did sputter down
Speaker 2: the stretch, still put up incredible numbers, thirty five hundred
Speaker 2: yards passing. I think I saw that if he were
Speaker 2: a running back, just in terms of pure yardage, he
Speaker 2: would have been tenth overall, had something like fifteen hunds
Speaker 2: seventy some odd rushing yards, So really a versatile player
Speaker 2: out there. I think backlash is too strong a word,
Speaker 2: but I agree to the extent that all I'm hearing
Speaker 2: so far this young offseason is Sam Darnold. I'm hearing
Speaker 2: a lot about Josh Rosen coming back. I'm hearing a
Speaker 2: lot about what Jared Stidham can do, what Shane Burschelle
Speaker 2: can do. Sure, what Jake Browning is going to do
Speaker 2: in another year in the Chris Peterson system, JT.
Speaker 1: Barrett and Kevin Wilson system.
Speaker 2: What's going to happen at Clemson, what will happen with
Speaker 2: DeAndre Francois taking another step forward at FSU, Brandon Wimbush
Speaker 2: at Notre Dame. Strangely, it seems like all of those
Speaker 2: are bigger stories than what Lamar Jackson's going to do.
Speaker 2: By the way, the reigning Heisman Trophy winner, what he
Speaker 2: is going to do now in another year at Lousville.
Speaker 2: So to that degree, I would I would certainly agree
Speaker 2: with you. Alan backlash going a little bit too far
Speaker 2: from me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, t I've I've heard multiple times in
Speaker 1: multiple Wheel of Fortune studio audiences it's just Wimbush, whim Bush.
Speaker 1: Can't get enough Wimbush iron man football? Yes? Is this
Speaker 1: a person or an entity who knows? Maybe both? Tye?
Speaker 2: Oregon love the two point conversion slash swinging gate under
Speaker 2: Mark Helfrich and fans cringed. If Notre Dame on side
Speaker 2: kicked every kickoff, would Tie have a meltdown?
Speaker 1: Would Dan laugh?
Speaker 2: So this is this is kind of a discombobulated question here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's drawing reference to the fact that Oregon liked to
Speaker 2: do their little swinging gate thing under Mark helfrinch right,
Speaker 2: and he's effectively asking, if Notre Dame on side kicked
Speaker 2: every kickoff, would Tie have a melt I you know,
Speaker 2: I probably not initially because as you and you talk
Speaker 2: yourself into it, I would talk myself in there. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of mad scientists in me. Sure I would
Speaker 2: probably find some data point to help back up the
Speaker 2: consistent on side kick for a while for a while
Speaker 2: when things went south, then I'd have the meltdown. I
Speaker 2: have to believe you would be your normal, passive, aggressive
Speaker 2: self throughout the entire process. Is that accurate?
Speaker 1: It is? But I do have like an asterisk, I
Speaker 1: have a caveat okay, and that is if Notre Dame
Speaker 1: decided to do what I don't remember the name of
Speaker 1: the high school in Arkansas and never punt and have
Speaker 1: that be their thing, like Notre it's Chip Long the
Speaker 1: new offensive coordinator. Yes, from Memphis. So if you were
Speaker 1: just saying, you know what, this is what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: We're gonna give everybody more reps. We're going to play
Speaker 1: at least four downs on every single drive. And that's
Speaker 1: just the way it's gonna be. It doesn't matter unless
Speaker 1: we're backed up like inside the five or something like that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna give ourselves twenty five percent more plays to
Speaker 1: play with theoretically, and we're gonna see what happens. I
Speaker 1: would probably secretly and maybe even overtly on this show
Speaker 1: kind of be happy about it. Wow. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: If the mathematical scales were tipped in favor of Notre
Speaker 1: Dame intentionally, be like you know what, that's kind of cool.
Speaker 2: All right, Josh writes in most disrespectful head coach when
Speaker 2: it comes to on field tactics, I don't mean dirty,
Speaker 2: I mean like gonna embarrass you in multiple ways. Good
Speaker 2: question here, So that kind of circumstance, that kind of
Speaker 2: coach that wouldn't be afraid to hang eighty on you.
Speaker 2: The first one that comes to mind is Brett Beelam,
Speaker 2: because I know he's done it. Yeah, is there anyone
Speaker 2: else that comes to mind for you?
Speaker 1: Off the top of your head? Harbaugh a little bit,
Speaker 1: even though he would he puts in his backups. There's
Speaker 1: an element of just squeezing the life out of somebody
Speaker 1: that I can't help but admire. Chip Kelly did it
Speaker 1: at Oregon for all Wick Kelly. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: chip Kelly did it. Urban Meyer has done it. Urban
Speaker 1: Meyer has. I mean you look about look back at
Speaker 1: at Jim Harbaugh against Pete Carroll. What's your doing? So
Speaker 1: it's it's been proven in multiple places. Urban Meyer to
Speaker 1: a lesser extent, but certainly, you know, you don't get
Speaker 1: to where he is without having that that sort of
Speaker 1: murdering mentality. I think Tom Herman has it to a
Speaker 1: certain degree with the trick plays and the tempo. And
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think who else you know, Brett Beelum
Speaker 1: is the great example. I think Bobby Petrino. I like
Speaker 1: the Paul Johnson that's that's the paper clips thing that
Speaker 1: he is disrespectful in the best way. Yeah right, I
Speaker 1: like that when when Georgia Tech teams are humming even Navy,
Speaker 1: that's disrespectful to what they what they do to teams
Speaker 1: when they just can't quite figure out that flex boone
Speaker 1: whatever it is they're running. It's great. I love a
Speaker 1: good sort of not petty, but just driving the point
Speaker 1: home option coach. That's pure college football.
Speaker 2: Bliss all right, very quickly, Jared writes in, with the
Speaker 2: addition of Thomas Tyner, Yeah, does Oregon State have the
Speaker 2: best backfield in Pac twelve?
Speaker 1: So? Thomas Tyner, five star, former five star recruit running
Speaker 1: back ran for a million yards in high school from Portland,
Speaker 1: went to the University of Oregon, was on the team
Speaker 1: that appeared in the National Championship Game in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: I think started in twenty thirteen. Took a medical retirement
Speaker 1: because of nagging injuries. Has decided to come back and
Speaker 1: play for Oregon State, who also has Ryan Knall, who
Speaker 1: was really good down the stretch for the Beaves. I
Speaker 1: still don't think it's the case that they have the
Speaker 1: best duo backfield because of the unknown quantity of Thomas
Speaker 1: Tyner and if he'll be in shape and if he'll
Speaker 1: be that same killer instinct. I think what's in Seattle
Speaker 1: is pretty impressive, what's in Eugene is incredibly impressive. And
Speaker 1: I am optimistic about USC's backfield as well. So I
Speaker 1: think those schools are ahead right now.
Speaker 2: Okay, And finally on the football front, Yes, as we
Speaker 2: fade now into some less serious topics. We got this
Speaker 2: email a couple of weeks ago, about four weeks ago,
Speaker 2: and the second I saw it, I knew it was
Speaker 2: something we had to do. Okay, This one is from
Speaker 2: Mike tian Dan. I've been listening to your show since
Speaker 2: early two thousand and nine. I tell everyone I can
Speaker 2: about the show. I even finally bought a shirt. He says,
Speaker 2: I've always loved the popa shot style football arcade games,
Speaker 2: but whenever I look to buy one, they were always
Speaker 2: over one thousand dollars. So I decided to spend two
Speaker 2: thousand dollars and two hundred man hours to build my own.
Speaker 2: My game is complete with field goals, punts, interceptions, sudden death, overtime,
Speaker 2: and one and two player game modes. This is a
Speaker 2: man after my own heart.
Speaker 1: Dan, Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2: Now for the reason I'm writing in, I was wondering
Speaker 2: if you guys would like the honor of doing an
Speaker 2: intro when our game starts up. Wow, fifteen to thirty
Speaker 2: seconds of pregame audio, you have complete and total freedom
Speaker 2: to say whatever you want, just know Ohio State stuff.
Speaker 1: As I am a Michigan fan. So Dan, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: taking this all in. So we get to be the voices,
Speaker 1: the introductory voices.
Speaker 2: We get to be the introductory voices, and I think
Speaker 2: we should we should do something on the fly, because
Speaker 2: that's what you and I do best. Okay, So I'm thinking,
Speaker 2: since he's a Michigan fan, we need to welcome people
Speaker 2: to Michigan Stadium m HM, and then we need to
Speaker 2: find some way to call out former Michigan stars, and
Speaker 2: we need to do it in the cheesiest possible way,
Speaker 2: because this is, after all, an arcade game and those
Speaker 2: are typically cheesy introsu So I'm thinking something the effect
Speaker 2: of like, welcome back to Michigan Stadium. Oh, Manningham, do
Speaker 2: we have a game for you here today? Oh no,
Speaker 2: that's where you're going with this, just something very cheesy.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right. So first of all, if he can
Speaker 1: edit this audio, then he can play around with whatever
Speaker 1: we're about to say, space it around. So welcome. I'm
Speaker 1: glad I got to be the first voice.
Speaker 2: Ty I was going to say, you need to do
Speaker 2: the serious XM voice that people know and love, maybe
Speaker 2: the John U.
Speaker 1: Bacon voice, because he's a No, I can't do that
Speaker 1: to his game. He's spent too much time on this game.
Speaker 1: So if I'm going to do the radio voice to
Speaker 1: be like ladies, a gentleman, welcome to this arcade unit.
Speaker 1: This is Tan, this is danon' tye, and we are
Speaker 1: excited for you to compete.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Michigan Stadium, Oh Manningham, do we have
Speaker 2: a game for you here today? What in the name
Speaker 2: of Tim Biakabatuca will happen? Is anyone's guess is the
Speaker 2: next Brady Greasy or Gerbach on the field today?
Speaker 1: It's time to find out? That was really good. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I just made that up to fly, Yeah, scribbling things
Speaker 1: down on a pad? Here?
Speaker 2: Here?
Speaker 1: How about this one? Ryan Mallett's not going to be
Speaker 1: transferring away from this fun? Does that work? This is
Speaker 1: the game that Braylan Edwards won't drop the ball in.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do like a half NBA jam. I
Speaker 1: don't know where I'm really going with the voice. We
Speaker 1: could really have fun with this. We can go is
Speaker 1: that Elvis Gerbak? Nobody knows?
Speaker 2: All right, Mike, tell us what you can do with that.
Speaker 2: Let us know if you want us to try again.
Speaker 2: We need to talk about restaurant etiquette here, all right,
Speaker 2: what do you have? You're the restaurant tour? Why don't
Speaker 2: you tell me where you want to go here?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure you know what restaurant tour means, but
Speaker 1: let's start with Okay, So this question I asked around
Speaker 1: the office and it got the most responses. Okay, So
Speaker 1: this one is about double dipping. Okay, Oh good one.
Speaker 1: So this comes to us from brother mazone. Shout out
Speaker 1: to the wire. Double dipping with significant others? Only? If not,
Speaker 1: how close do you have to be? Family? Very good friends?
Speaker 1: Don't care. I will extend this to just in general, tie,
Speaker 1: what is your stance on double dick at dipping? And
Speaker 1: if it is a positive did I say double dicking?
Speaker 1: And if it is a positive pro stance? What is
Speaker 1: your strategy? What is yourthos when it comes to double
Speaker 1: dipping across all food sizes and types.
Speaker 2: If you're with people you don't know, you can't do
Speaker 2: it at all. You can't do it, no, no matter
Speaker 2: the size of food. No, no, no, no, I'm not not
Speaker 2: a double dipping fan when you're with people that you
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, So if you're with if you're with let's say
Speaker 1: you're with my family out in California and we order
Speaker 1: kso dip, I wouldn't do it. I would not do it. No,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't. What about flipping a corner.
Speaker 2: That hey, this is this is where I was going
Speaker 2: to get into the strategy of the double dip?
Speaker 1: Right, But like, if you're you're not, so you're saving
Speaker 1: your flipping for close ones. I don't want to.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be remembered as the double dipper
Speaker 2: if I'm with people that can't disavow me entirely. Right, So,
Speaker 2: if I'm with your family, perhaps you know at some
Speaker 2: gathering say a wedding, if I'm with other friends that
Speaker 2: that I don't see as often, No, I'm never gonna
Speaker 2: I'm never gonna make that. I'm never going to take
Speaker 2: that risk and potentially be labeled as a double dipper.
Speaker 2: Have people think that was raised by wolves. What I
Speaker 2: would say is, if I'm with family, that's when I
Speaker 2: think you go modified double dip. You never dip the
Speaker 2: end of the chip back in that you bit off,
Speaker 2: of course not. You got to flip it around to
Speaker 2: a one eighty and then flip that back half of
Speaker 2: the chip. In that case, I've done that multiple times,
Speaker 2: and I would advise it.
Speaker 1: I think it's a solid maneuver. I will echo our
Speaker 1: pal Ryan Nanny, and his counter to this was, so,
Speaker 1: why would you not double dip a chip in the
Speaker 1: first place? What is it about? What are you worried about,
Speaker 1: you know, putting into the universe by double dipping and you.
Speaker 2: Know some some germ sure related, uh, you know, some
Speaker 2: some spittle whatever, yeah, some something something germ related.
Speaker 1: On a surface as small as a tortilla chip, are
Speaker 1: you not worried that as you bite into one side
Speaker 1: of the tortilla chip that you're not going to get
Speaker 1: things on the other side of said tortilla chip, not
Speaker 1: even an inch further down the down the way.
Speaker 2: Well, the counter argument, if you really want to make one,
Speaker 2: is that you're holding the opposite end of the chip
Speaker 2: with your bare hands. Exactly your hands are there when
Speaker 2: you're dipping it into the salsa or exactly right whatever dip.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I understand where he's coming from, and he's
Speaker 2: not wrong to make that argument, but the optics of
Speaker 2: biting off one end of the chip and then sticking
Speaker 2: it back into the communal dip pool is not something
Speaker 2: that I generally want to be caught doing.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, Ty, I live in New York. I
Speaker 1: live in New York City. I live in a communal pool.
Speaker 1: This is true, very true. So at a certain point
Speaker 1: we're all just sort of in it together and let's
Speaker 1: all dip our mazzarella sticks into this communal marinera like.
Speaker 1: That's just how it's working. And if you're I think
Speaker 1: you also have to judge who you're around, if you're
Speaker 1: around people that you generally generally regard as being hygienic enough,
Speaker 1: I'm okay with the flip marinera on take a bite
Speaker 1: with you're Mazzarella with marinera flip and just go at
Speaker 1: it again. Okay, I think it's okay. Where are we
Speaker 1: going next?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Next, let's go to Oh. We have a lot of
Speaker 1: people asking about waiting for food to arrive. Steven wants
Speaker 1: to know if the orders come out at different times.
Speaker 1: Do you wait for everybody's food to get there or
Speaker 1: do you just start digging in?
Speaker 2: I think you wait unless the person or persons who
Speaker 2: are waiting for their meals give you consent to just
Speaker 2: go about and meet your meal.
Speaker 1: Oh, don't wait for me, just go ahead and right.
Speaker 1: That makes understood the waiting. That makes it okay.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just one of those like social norms
Speaker 2: that we're that we're kind of programmed to follow. I
Speaker 2: haven't fully understood it for a long time, but I
Speaker 2: do abide by it, right.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's rare that somebody else orders food,
Speaker 1: doesn't get the food, and it just never shows up.
Speaker 1: It's generally there than a minute or two. We're there
Speaker 1: to eat. We all understand that we've gone to this
Speaker 1: restaurant to eat, and you put a club sandwich in
Speaker 1: front of me, and you asked me to wait it's
Speaker 1: it's tricky. The club sandwich, I guess, is a bad example.
Speaker 1: You put in front of me some fajidas, like I
Speaker 1: am going to consume these fajitas while warm. I'm not
Speaker 1: waiting for your club salad like. That's just not acceptable.
Speaker 1: I will always say when I don't receive my food,
Speaker 1: of course eat, and I'll say that as soon as
Speaker 1: the plates go down. I don't wait to see for
Speaker 1: that minute or two to see if my food will
Speaker 1: come before saying that. Upon plates going down, I make
Speaker 1: it clear that I want everybody to eat, because I
Speaker 1: believe in the golden rule tie do unto others is
Speaker 1: other to others do unto you.
Speaker 2: I also think the cheaper the meal, the less time
Speaker 2: you're required to wait. So if you're going to like
Speaker 2: Chick fil A with friends and you happen to order
Speaker 2: first and find a seat, I think it's fine if
Speaker 2: you decide to just dig into your spicy chicken sandwich.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. I've got a corollary question, though,
Speaker 1: for an actual restaurant, because from Ryan, Yes, if your
Speaker 1: waiter forgot to put in your and then lied about
Speaker 1: why it was taking so long, what's the correct level
Speaker 1: of anger. Ooh, so this happened to me like three
Speaker 1: weeks ago at a restaurant. I ordered pizza, and pizza
Speaker 1: cooks pretty quickly. Sure. I was with the solid fiance
Speaker 1: and a friend of hers. I think her friend ordered
Speaker 1: a piece of fish and the solid fiance ordered like
Speaker 1: roast chicken. Okay, So in back of my head, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking there's no way my pizza's coming out in a
Speaker 1: sort of untimely fashion. Pizza took like twenty I kept
Speaker 1: getting apologies from the waitress. It took twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: minutes longer, wow, And I got some excuse like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: it's from a separate area of the kitchen, and sometimes
Speaker 1: it's always not great communicating. Like I'm looking at it
Speaker 1: like I've worked in a restaurant. I know exactly what happened,
Speaker 1: like my ticket fell or the somehow the order got misplaced,
Speaker 1: because it doesn't take that long to make pizza. When
Speaker 1: the pizza came out, it was scalding tie. It was
Speaker 1: right out of the oven. It wasn't sitting around at all.
Speaker 1: So I didn't say anything at that point to the waitress.
Speaker 1: I just kind of wanted to, like I was hungry.
Speaker 1: My pizza finally came. I ate it. But I saw
Speaker 1: our friend Peter Schrager in that restaurant, okay, and he
Speaker 1: tweeted at me that he saw me. That's how good
Speaker 1: of friends we are, right, you guys are very close.
Speaker 1: We only very close hit each other. Yeah. But I
Speaker 1: was talking about the pizza and I posted a picture
Speaker 1: of the pizza, and the restaurant saw the tweets, and
Speaker 1: I had said something about like pizza was amazing, but
Speaker 1: the service was not great. And the place saw it
Speaker 1: and they were like, let me know the next time
Speaker 1: you come in, we'll take care of you. Wow. So
Speaker 1: that's how I dealt with it after the fact, and
Speaker 1: on social media like a grown up, Okay, what would
Speaker 1: you do if like, very clearly your order of you know,
Speaker 1: your your stickup wuave is clearly I could never say
Speaker 1: that word stick up wave is clearly being cooked at
Speaker 1: the same rate as everybody else's order, but like it
Speaker 1: just doesn't show up for ten, fifteen, seventeen minutes.
Speaker 2: I guess to further illustrate my beta male identity on
Speaker 2: this show, I'd probably just I probably just waited out
Speaker 2: do a lot of eye rolls and inadvertently do my
Speaker 2: part to make the whole table feel sorry for me.
Speaker 2: It depends who you're with, though, right, I don't really
Speaker 2: it depends who you're with. I also don't really have
Speaker 2: an angry streak. You know. Maybe it's different if you've
Speaker 2: got kids. Neither one of us has kids, right, And
Speaker 2: obviously that ups the ante and makes the situation a
Speaker 2: little bit more stressful. But I'm not usually an angry
Speaker 2: person in general. Sarcastic, cocky, passive, aggressive, I can do that,
Speaker 2: but I would never truly get angry if I just
Speaker 2: had to wait a little bit longer.
Speaker 1: But what's a little bit, I'd probably just order another drink,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, See, I think at a
Speaker 1: certain point, and it's tough because everybody in the back
Speaker 1: of their head is thinking, are they going to spit
Speaker 1: my meal? Which I don't. Having worked in restaurants and
Speaker 1: knowing a lot of people who work in restaurants, I
Speaker 1: don't think that's the case. I think that's just sort
Speaker 1: of a fallacy. Maybe fast food, maybe that's a situation,
Speaker 1: But in a normal restaurant, I don't see that as happening.
Speaker 1: But let's say you and Kate are out at a
Speaker 1: standard issue you know, American place. You each order burgers.
Speaker 1: You know, Kate gets a turkey burger and you get
Speaker 1: like a salmon burger. You get a cheeseburger, you get
Speaker 1: a bacon cheeseburger. So you expect them to be you know,
Speaker 1: cooked at the same rate. Ish, you know, maybe yours
Speaker 1: takes a minute longer because you got baked and whatever
Speaker 1: it is. If your burger is coming, Let's say waiter
Speaker 1: comes over ten minutes after Kate's burger arrives, and it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: it's just gonna be one, just me another second, Sorry,
Speaker 1: we got backed up. You might be like, man, ten
Speaker 1: minutes is a long time, but will you probably let
Speaker 1: it go fifteen to twenty minutes? Yeah, fifteen, once I
Speaker 1: get to ten, I'm definitely following up with the But
Speaker 1: at what point? Yeah, so what is your follow up?
Speaker 1: Is your follow up something like, listen, hey, getting my ber.
Speaker 1: You didn't forget about me, did you? But okay, so
Speaker 1: at what point are you being assertive? At what point
Speaker 1: are you saying, listen, it's been twenty five minutes. This
Speaker 1: isn't this isn't okay. If Kate's finished her meal and
Speaker 1: I'm still waiting for mine. In that case, will you
Speaker 1: say it's unacceptable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely unacceptable. But also, being a server in
Speaker 2: a restaurant is not always the easiest work, right, all right,
Speaker 2: So I'm respectful of the fact that those folks got
Speaker 2: a lot going on, trying to manage a bunch of
Speaker 2: different things. And I also don't want to be that
Speaker 2: guy in the restaurant who's a jerk. But if she's finished,
Speaker 2: then I think it's time to be a little bit
Speaker 2: more assertive.
Speaker 1: Are you a jerk? Though? If your food hasn't come
Speaker 1: twenty minutes after even if she's just sort of finishing
Speaker 1: up and she's not, No, you're not a job You're
Speaker 1: not a jerk.
Speaker 2: But again, I'm just trying to do my best to
Speaker 2: avoid conflict wherever possible.
Speaker 1: But is it conflict? That's my question. It feels like
Speaker 1: conflict because if the waiter doesn't bring you your meal
Speaker 1: within twenty minutes of your dining partner when she gets
Speaker 1: her meals, that point, it's not the waiter having a
Speaker 1: tough job. It's the waiter being bad at his job.
Speaker 1: I agree, all right, where are we going next? We
Speaker 1: got a bunch of other stuff here. I have a
Speaker 1: lot of thoughts on that you do. You're very thoughtful. Okay.
Speaker 1: Is it necessary? I like this because this is the
Speaker 1: flip side of the coin we just talked about unacceptable waiting?
Speaker 1: Is it necessary? This comes to us from diego to
Speaker 1: apologize to a server when a member of the party
Speaker 1: acts like an a hole, for example, snapping fingers, overly demanding.
Speaker 1: Is it necessary to apologize on behalf of somebody who
Speaker 1: is obviously clearly fine with their own terrible behavior. I
Speaker 1: think so? How do you pull off that maneuver?
Speaker 2: Maybe not, maybe not overtly, but yeah, if you have
Speaker 2: the opportunity to pull the server aside and say, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry about you know, uncle Bob down there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like there's nothing that people agree on
Speaker 1: more than the discomfort everybody feels when one person is
Speaker 1: just so awful to somebody serving them food. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: that it's it's the worst thing to be around, snapping
Speaker 1: like heyhn oh, it's awful, It's the worst. I agree,
Speaker 1: I agree. Should you tip takeout ty? No? Okay, explain
Speaker 1: your stance. I've looked this up on the internet. Is
Speaker 1: it absolute for you? No, it's not absolute. Okay.
Speaker 2: No, I think it's more a frame of mind, a
Speaker 2: state of being, to be perfectly honest with you. But
Speaker 2: case in point, there is a great Asian restaurant right
Speaker 2: down the street that the solid wife and I have
Speaker 2: ordered from quite frequently. Drive down there all the time,
Speaker 2: pick up something on a Friday night. It's a good meal.
Speaker 2: I've had to look up multiple times on Google, multiple
Speaker 2: times what the standard protocol is for doing takeout. The
Speaker 2: Internet seems to suggest, and I've looked it up multiple
Speaker 2: times because I didn't believe them the first like eight
Speaker 2: that I read it. The Internet would seem to suggest
Speaker 2: that it's okay to go in, to pay the cost,
Speaker 2: to not tip, and to leave. That would not be
Speaker 2: my normal impulse. But the Internet says it, so it
Speaker 2: must be true. Therefore, of course I do my best
Speaker 2: to avoid tip unless I'm feeling rather generous when I
Speaker 2: go to any takeout place, I believe that is accepted behavior.
Speaker 1: I think that's okay. I think that's a fine way
Speaker 1: to live. My only caveat is so I worked in
Speaker 1: take out, like at a barbecue restaurant. I was in
Speaker 1: charge of takeouts, you know, getting the orders together, sending
Speaker 1: delivery guys off with their orders to deliver. And I
Speaker 1: would say with that experience, when I've been at restaurants
Speaker 1: that have been like very very busy, where it's hectic,
Speaker 1: the phone's ringing, people are you know, waiting for their orders,
Speaker 1: and I get to the restaurant and they're still kind
Speaker 1: and just thoughtful, that's a good first step. And if
Speaker 1: it's something like, hey, we're swamped, it'll be like three minutes,
Speaker 1: It'll be like five minutes. Is that cool? Like obviously
Speaker 1: I don't have a choice in the matter, but like
Speaker 1: you know, giving you the heads up like sure, fine,
Speaker 1: and then they give you the food and it's something like, hey,
Speaker 1: I tossed in a couple extra garlic rolls. Thanks for
Speaker 1: being so patient. They're doing you a solid. Then yeah. Also,
Speaker 1: if you have like a personal relationship, like you see,
Speaker 1: you know, regular type of person, like you're going to
Speaker 1: this place once or twice a week, and you know,
Speaker 1: you joke around with the personal they're waiting, there's a
Speaker 1: baseball game on, you crack a couple jokes together something
Speaker 1: like that. I'll throw you a dollar or two just
Speaker 1: because it's not making a huge difference, but it's an
Speaker 1: acknowledgment of like, thanks for doing your job so well.
Speaker 1: I will do that, but with any normalcy, I generally
Speaker 1: tend not to but ty if it's a complex order
Speaker 1: and it's so complex that I feel better about ordering
Speaker 1: in a strange, inconvenient way that I'm actually going to
Speaker 1: check the order while I'm at the restaurant to make
Speaker 1: sure they got it right. And you'll do the tip
Speaker 1: and they got it right, like, you know what, thank
Speaker 1: you for being so attentive you throwing a tip? All right?
Speaker 2: Well, kind of on the heels of that question, Alec
Speaker 2: writes in he says, what are the acceptable circumstances for
Speaker 2: not leaving a tip?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll.
Speaker 2: Kind of expand this out here because we got a
Speaker 2: couple other tipping questions, but not leaving a tip, deciding
Speaker 2: how much tip to leave? What are the factors that
Speaker 2: you consider?
Speaker 1: How the server was just as a human talking to you,
Speaker 1: you know, paying attention. If it takes forever for them
Speaker 1: to even come over to your table, if it takes
Speaker 1: forever for you to like, if all these things had up,
Speaker 1: it takes forever them come over and acknowledge you. It takes
Speaker 1: forever to come get your drink order, takes forever to
Speaker 1: bring your drinks, takes forever to take your actual food order,
Speaker 1: takes forever for the food to come out. You know,
Speaker 1: no apologies, no explanation. You know, sometimes there's just like
Speaker 1: one server for forty tables, and it's just a mess.
Speaker 1: When there's no explanation, when they're dismissive, when they try
Speaker 1: to upsell everybody, and just when they waste your time.
Speaker 1: I won't say that I won't tip them outright, but
Speaker 1: it's it's probably not going to be a great move
Speaker 1: from my wallet to yours.
Speaker 2: I've never not left a tip because I don't think
Speaker 2: i've done that either.
Speaker 1: I recognize that it's a chaotic job.
Speaker 2: It's a hard job. I've never worked in a restaurant,
Speaker 2: but everyone knows someone who has. It's not an easy job.
Speaker 2: There's a lot going on. So I respect that the
Speaker 2: floor for me is ten percent. The absolute floor for
Speaker 2: me is ten percent, and that is someone who is
Speaker 2: not attentive, screws up the order, isn't nice. All of
Speaker 2: those factors could contribute to a ten percent tip generally, though,
Speaker 2: twenty percent's the average, and if someone's really nice, we'll
Speaker 2: we'll move it up a little bit, throw them a
Speaker 2: few extra bucks if it's someone who's really just enhancing
Speaker 2: the dining experience.
Speaker 1: Ty. This comes to us from Josh, Is it ever
Speaker 1: okay for two people on a date to sit next
Speaker 1: to each other on the same side of the table?
Speaker 1: Good question. I'm not talking about a dinner date with
Speaker 1: another couple. This is just two people who choose to
Speaker 1: sit next to each other, like at a table for four,
Speaker 1: or like you know, a table that's meant for two
Speaker 1: sitting across from each other. But then they go to
Speaker 1: the same small side of the table and leave two
Speaker 1: vacant seats across from them. Wow, that's from Josh. I've
Speaker 1: everybody has seen this. Yeah, I assume have you done this?
Speaker 1: And how do you feel about it when you see it?
Speaker 1: You know? I have done it? Okay? And the primary
Speaker 1: reason I've done it under the table stuff. No, okay.
Speaker 2: The primary reason I've done it is because some restaurants
Speaker 2: are very loud, and if you're in a situation where
Speaker 2: you'd like to have a conversation but the restaurant's too loud,
Speaker 2: then it behooves you to sit on the same side.
Speaker 2: Never for any like romantic purposes anything like that, right,
Speaker 2: purely for the sake of having a conversation. I feel
Speaker 2: like I've been programmed from such an early age to
Speaker 2: sit on the opposite side to balance out.
Speaker 1: The table eye contact. Man. Yeah, it just it just
Speaker 1: feels awkward to me to be on the same side
Speaker 1: like that. What about sharing a corner, Sharing your corner
Speaker 1: I think is a little different. Sure, it's a little different.
Speaker 2: And if you're at a square table, you know, to
Speaker 2: be on adjacent sides of the square I think is fine. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but in the bench scenario, that to me is just
Speaker 2: it's just different. It's beyond the norm. I know some
Speaker 2: people swear, but I'm just not into that thing.
Speaker 1: Here's where I would say it's acceptable. One under the
Speaker 1: table stuff aforementioned. Okay, you know, who am I to judge?
Speaker 1: Who am I to judge? Number two? If you are
Speaker 1: someplace that has a view for one person but not
Speaker 1: a view for somebody else. If you're on an outdoor
Speaker 1: patio that's overlooking.
Speaker 2: The cliffs in the Pacific Ocean, Yeah, why do I
Speaker 2: have to sit with my back to this beautiful view?
Speaker 1: I think you find a way. It doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be both of you facing it exactly, but you angle
Speaker 1: a little bit on the same side. I think that's
Speaker 1: totally defensible. Three. I would say if you are in
Speaker 1: a situation where the people watching is pretty like I
Speaker 1: was in Paris last year with the solid fiance, and
Speaker 1: a lot of the tables are actually like those are
Speaker 1: how the chairs are positioned. There's small tables built for two.
Speaker 1: But you're on a side sidewalk cafe, you're eating like cheese,
Speaker 1: you're drinking wine, whatever it is, and you get to
Speaker 1: look at Paris together. That's unique for me. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's unique for you, but that is a
Speaker 1: unique experience for me, and I felt totally comfortable sitting
Speaker 1: on the same side at the table and chillin' on
Speaker 1: a Parisian street. So I think it is acceptable for
Speaker 1: any of those reasons, but most notably under the tables. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: fair enough. Let's do two more. Okay, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: see what is your personal tip percentage scale based on
Speaker 1: server slash. What's the least you've ever tipped? We went
Speaker 1: over the second part, but Tyd, what is your personal
Speaker 1: and this is very personal, it is extremely personal. What
Speaker 1: is your tipping scale? Will you go over twenty, will
Speaker 1: you go under fifteen? If it's not abysmal.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I generally go twenty. Twenty is usually
Speaker 2: the starting point. Ten is the floor.
Speaker 1: I have been known to sometimes go above twenty, but
Speaker 1: only what are the circumstances? Yeah, are the What does
Speaker 1: exceptional means to you? Server has to have a sense
Speaker 1: of humor?
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm going it comes over who again enhances
Speaker 2: the dining experience overly eager to serve?
Speaker 1: Sure, and if they've got jokes, then I think the
Speaker 1: jokes are worth a couple extra bucks. It's usually a
Speaker 1: joke thing for me.
Speaker 2: Or if they go above and beyond, if they throw
Speaker 2: in something extra, then I'll go above twenty.
Speaker 1: I'm really easy, tie, I generally go around bed twenty.
Speaker 1: But if a service, I'm a big sauce guy, as
Speaker 1: you know, right, So if I order a club sandwich
Speaker 1: with the side of barbecue sauce. So if I art
Speaker 1: o a burger and I want a side of like
Speaker 1: thousand Islands to at my frizen because that's delicious, and
Speaker 1: they bring me two sides, like, hey, you made a
Speaker 1: point of saying you like, you know, a side of barbecue.
Speaker 1: So I brought you a couple of them, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm so easy to melt like that tie extra sauce
Speaker 1: will do it for me every time. Jokes are fine,
Speaker 1: personality is great, really good recommendations. If you don't know
Speaker 1: what to order and they're like, no, get the get
Speaker 1: the crispy duck, and it's outstanding that, that's when I
Speaker 1: might go over.
Speaker 2: I will also add one other scenario here, and this
Speaker 2: works one hundred percent of the time on me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: any instance in which it seems like I'm sticking it
Speaker 2: to the man, like oh, hey, somebody ordered this drink
Speaker 2: but they left. You wouldn't be interested in it for free?
Speaker 1: Would you? Absolutely? Oh something with it?
Speaker 2: We accidentally made this extra order of fries. Would you
Speaker 2: be interested? Absolutely? Of course, any And it works even
Speaker 2: if they're lying. It works on me one hundred percent
Speaker 2: of the time. If I feel like I'm sticking it
Speaker 2: to the.
Speaker 1: Man, you bring me a free dessert. Hey, this one's
Speaker 1: on the house. Oh yeah, place, I'll make up for
Speaker 1: that in the tip. Absolutely one hundred percent. All right,
Speaker 1: let's close out with the hypothetical tie. We haven't done
Speaker 1: one in a while, and it's sort of related. Sure
Speaker 1: do we have the sound or do you want me
Speaker 1: to make it myself. I'd like to hear you make it.
Speaker 1: That was beautiful. Okay, that was pretty good. Okay. We
Speaker 1: came up with this stay in the office. It's related
Speaker 1: to food, it's related to physique tie. Would you rather
Speaker 1: be your fully maximized physical self sounds dirtier than intended?
Speaker 1: Would you rather be jacked to the level that you
Speaker 1: would ideally like to be jacked? Two? So strength, you know,
Speaker 1: six pack, eight pack, you've got, you know, big muscles,
Speaker 1: lean muscles, whatever, your tan. You know you look exactly
Speaker 1: physically like you believe you are maxed out. Okay, And
Speaker 1: no matter what you eat, you will not change physically.
Speaker 1: You want pizza every night for the rest of your life.
Speaker 1: You are still going to look like that tie, that
Speaker 1: ideal tie. But on the inside it will still do
Speaker 1: you a little. It'll still rather at your body. It
Speaker 1: will still your cholesterol, your blood pressure, sodium levels, your arteries, whatever.
Speaker 1: So you've got to balance the fact that you know
Speaker 1: you're not going to get fat and you're look like
Speaker 1: your ideal self with the fact that you are still
Speaker 1: going to do damage to the inside. Okay, or you
Speaker 1: are forever going to be as you are, and you
Speaker 1: won't have extreme fluctuations. You'll probably be you know, you
Speaker 1: can gain or lose to five pounds whatever something like that,
Speaker 1: but you're never gonna be your fully realized self. You're
Speaker 1: never gonna be jacked, You're never gonna be ripped, You're
Speaker 1: never gonna be yoked. You're gonna be as tan as
Speaker 1: you want. And you can't eat whatever you want without
Speaker 1: gaining weight. But you can eat whatever you want and
Speaker 1: it will do no damage to you on the inside.
Speaker 1: So you can eat as much pizza as you need,
Speaker 1: many burritos, as much queso, and your blood pressure remains
Speaker 1: the same. You're not gonna get all that fat. You're
Speaker 1: gain a little bit of weight, but nothing extreme. Given
Speaker 1: your extreme diet, everything will stay the same on the inside.
Speaker 2: See, I'm inclined to say that I'd prefer the fully
Speaker 2: physically maximized version of myself of.
Speaker 1: Live hot, die young.
Speaker 2: Whatever I eat now affects the inside of my body.
Speaker 2: I might not be my fully realized self, but I'm
Speaker 2: used to that situation where you kind of have to
Speaker 2: figure out, Okay.
Speaker 1: Is this good for me? Is this not good for me? Sure?
Speaker 2: So it's sort of like everyday life right now, with
Speaker 2: the exception of I don't have.
Speaker 1: To go to the gym nearly's often. So you'd rather
Speaker 1: be jacked than have nutritional freedom, I think so, because
Speaker 1: I don't have nutritional freedom. Now, well, you would have
Speaker 1: nutritional freedom if you look like what you look like,
Speaker 1: you can need whatever you want and it's fine. H
Speaker 1: I think I'm used to where I'm at. Now, let's
Speaker 1: take the fully maximized version of myself and let's just
Speaker 1: deal with it as best we can. I think I'm
Speaker 1: taking number two. Yeah, I think I'm taking option number
Speaker 1: two because there are just there's so many meals that
Speaker 1: I have are like, well, see, you would be a
Speaker 1: good person for number two, right, I'm kntent eating like
Speaker 1: a bird every day, the same thing day and day out.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily need the variety and the level of
Speaker 1: sophistication in the palette that you seem to Salads are
Speaker 1: just such bummers. Tie, I'm a Sally guy. I like that.
Speaker 1: I know. I'm okay with it. It's rough you went
Speaker 1: every day. I think I'm going number two, okay, And
Speaker 1: that's a weird thing to say out.
Speaker 2: Arry weird thing to close out the show with. Think
Speaker 2: I'm going number two? Fair enough, there it is, I
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