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Speaker 3: Donald Trump has responded to Susie Wilds shocking eleven interviews

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Speaker 3: with Vanity Fair that were reported out in a two

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Speaker 3: part series yesterday that absolutely stunned Washington. Everybody was trying

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Speaker 3: to figure out exactly what happened here. Trump was asked

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Speaker 3: by The New York Post if he stands by Susie

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Speaker 3: Wiles after she was quoted in Vanity Ferris, Hey, he

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Speaker 3: has a quote alcoholics personal. Trump basically is like, yep,

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Speaker 3: spot the lie sounds about right. Uh, And you know, ry,

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Speaker 3: I actually think of all of the Wilds quotes to

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Speaker 3: pull out and say this is problematic or super newsworthy.

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Speaker 3: That is the least of almost all of them in

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Speaker 3: this long two part series from Chris Whipple in Vanity Fair.

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Speaker 3: Because again, like he's self deprecating, and he understands what

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Speaker 3: she means by that. I think we kind of all

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Speaker 3: understand what she means by that. So of course it's

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Speaker 3: interesting to see her talking like that about her boss

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Speaker 3: in a liberal media outlet. But also I think it

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Speaker 3: just speaks to like Trump understands when you call him

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Speaker 3: things like that, Like what did he say to Ron?

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Speaker 4: He's like, I've been called much.

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Speaker 5: Worse than Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Trump famously doesn't drink, but he has said and he

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Speaker 6: said again if he did, he would have. He has

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Speaker 6: an addictive personality. He likely would have become an alcoholic.

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Speaker 6: His brother was, which the formative experience in his own life.

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Speaker 6: He has the big personality and the wild mood swings

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Speaker 6: of some of that kind of person which Wiles, which

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Speaker 6: Wilds talked about, kind of like a dry drunk who

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Speaker 6: was never a drunk. I Caroline Levitt was asked how

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Speaker 6: what went wrong?

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Speaker 5: Let's let's get a response on Fox here.

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Speaker 7: I wanted to ask you, Caroline, about the two part

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Speaker 7: series of articles in Vanity Fair on Susie Wilds, the

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Speaker 7: chief of Staff, and the President's inner circle. I mean,

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Speaker 7: clearly there was a lot of cooperation between the White

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Speaker 7: House and Vanity Fair on this, because there's numerous interviews

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Speaker 7: that Susie Wilds had with the writer over the course

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Speaker 7: of pretty much a year. Portraits were taken of his

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Speaker 7: inner circle, including her JD Vance Stephen Miller. I mean,

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Speaker 7: it looks like the White House was working hand in

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Speaker 7: glove with Vanity Fair. And yet here's Susie Wiles's reaction

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Speaker 7: to the series of articles. Quote. The article published early

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Speaker 7: this morning is a disingenuously framed hit piece on me

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Speaker 7: and the finest president, white House, staff, and cabinet in history.

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Speaker 7: Significant context was disregarded, and much of what I and

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Speaker 7: others said about the team and the president was left

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Speaker 7: out of the story. I assume after reading it that

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Speaker 7: this was done to payt an overwhelmingly chaotic and negative

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Speaker 7: after that you can read the full thing on X

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Speaker 7: But what happened, what went wrong?

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Speaker 8: Well, look, I would just echo my boss Susie Wiles,

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Speaker 8: who is the best chief of staff in our nation's history,

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Speaker 8: working for the greatest president in our nation's history, and

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Speaker 8: that this was unfortunately another attempt at fake news by

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Speaker 8: a reporter who was acting disingenuously and really did take

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Speaker 8: the chief's words out of context. But I think most importantly,

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Speaker 8: the bias of omission was ever present throughout this story.

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Speaker 8: The reporter omitted all of the positive things that Susie

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Speaker 8: and our team said about the President and the inner

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Speaker 8: workings of the White House, And as Susie said today,

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Speaker 8: it's deeply unfortunate that happened, but it won't distract us

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Speaker 8: from making America great again. And President Trump has been

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Speaker 8: such a productive president and has accomplished more in eleven

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Speaker 8: his vision and his tenacity, which is executed on and

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Speaker 8: facilitated by our great White House Chief of Staff, Susie Wiles,

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Speaker 8: whom I'm very proud of to call a boss and

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Speaker 6: The whole taken out of context, and the whole you

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Speaker 6: silly because nobody reads the articles anyway, So even if

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Speaker 3: And it's non responsive to John Roberts question, which is

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Speaker 4: Why would Susie Wiles a.

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Speaker 5: White House chief That's how Vanity Fair did the story.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, yeah, exactly, Like you all.

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Speaker 3: Are more aware than any administration in history how the

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Speaker 4: And that's a high bar.

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Speaker 3: So why would you ever allow for eleven long interviews?

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Speaker 3: Why was your chief of staff, who, by the way,

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Speaker 3: in a stroke of complete irony, is the one person

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Speaker 3: who's seen as Trump's gatekeeper, the only person who has

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Speaker 3: successfully sort of kept Trump in line, Meaning you're not

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Speaker 3: letting random articles from like Gateway Pundit being printed out

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Speaker 3: and put it on put on his desk. You're not

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Speaker 3: letting random like Laura Lumer into the Oval office. Reportedly,

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Speaker 3: Suzy Wiws is the one Laura Lumer was at the

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Speaker 3: White House last night, by the way, but is the

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Speaker 5: Was at the White House last night?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was for Honka celebration.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, going to moving on, Trump announced your engagement.

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Speaker 3: You haven't seen this video, We're actually not moving on.

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Speaker 6: So we got yeah, and so he also announced like

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Speaker 5: Is this coincidence or great question?

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Speaker 3: But this is the irony of ironies, is that Susie

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Speaker 3: Wiles is the person who is like the gatekeeper of

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Speaker 3: was giving eleven interviews. My best theory on this is

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Speaker 3: that she, for a shreot of an operator she reportedly is,

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Speaker 3: doubt that it was naivete. We're going to get into

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Speaker 3: a second one second about the validity of the quotes themselves.

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Speaker 3: But the Caroline Levitt point here is to emphasize there

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Speaker 3: was a massive circling of the wagons yesterday now we

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Speaker 3: This is all like cabinet secretaries, people from every corner

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Speaker 3: Suzie Wiles yesterday. And so there's this question hanging in

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Speaker 3: the air when Crystal and Sager covered the story because

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Speaker 3: the revelation that Susie Wilders had said all of these

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Speaker 3: things and spoken eleven times with this Vanity Fair.

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Speaker 4: Reporter, is she out?

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Speaker 3: Is she going to be out of a job? Because

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Speaker 3: Trump is going to look at this as disloyal. It's

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Speaker 3: going to look like a massive error in judgment from

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Speaker 3: the one person who is supposed to have the best

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Speaker 3: a couple of hours, got to answer that question and

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Speaker 3: it's no. And that question was important because that means

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Speaker 3: the Trump White House without Susie Wiles would likely look

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Speaker 3: more like the first administration. It would probably start to

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Speaker 3: become even more chaotic. If you think it's chaotic now,

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Speaker 3: it'd probably become even more chaotic. But circling the wagons happened.

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Speaker 3: Susie Wiles seems to be perfectly safe in her job

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Speaker 3: for now. Let's put D four up on the screen.

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Speaker 3: This gets into the validity of what actually happened here.

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Speaker 3: So Wiles said it was ridiculous in an interview with

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Speaker 3: The New York Times, that she would have commented on

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Speaker 3: elon musk and ketamine.

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Speaker 5: Well, which is a lot of why is why is

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Speaker 5: that ridiculous?

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Speaker 4: Yea sounds like something someone would.

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Speaker 5: Comment on it.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, go ahead, right, Well, the author of the

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Speaker 3: Vanity Fair story, according to The New York Times, played

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Speaker 3: a recording for The Times where Susie Wiles is heard

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Speaker 6: So shockingly the thing she was said, she was the

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Speaker 3: So if there are any people, so Wiles said, he

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Speaker 3: was quote an avowed ketemine user at quote odd odd duck,

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Speaker 4: But all of these things is defensible.

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Speaker 5: She calls him brilliant. The full quote is odd odd duck,

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Speaker 5: like a lot of brilliant people are, or something like that. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 5: he is an odd duck. Does anybody say that's a

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Speaker 4: No, a normal duck.

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Speaker 5: He's not a normal duck.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, they so this is like, you can see

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Speaker 4: But that is that's what journalists do.

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Speaker 3: It's you have your principle, the White House chief of

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Speaker 3: which is why you don't talk to Vanity Fair.

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Speaker 4: If you're Susie.

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Speaker 6: Wilds and A main thing we really just learned is

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Speaker 6: that she has the same thoughts as most Americans on

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Speaker 6: most of the these people, which like when it came

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Speaker 6: his conversion from like never Trumper to pro Trump was

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Speaker 6: you're willing to just not lie about that that conversion.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Russ Vote, She's like, yeah, that guy's a complete Look.

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Speaker 4: She called him a zealot.

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Speaker 5: She called him a hard right wing zealous Russ Vote.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Rust Vote is.

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Speaker 5: Last night he said he's shutting down.

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Speaker 3: were struggle sessions literally happening at so many of these corporations,

443
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Speaker 3: as you would imagine, there was some dissent, and it

444
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Speaker 3: seemed as though because you had Barry Weiss, this centrist

445
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Speaker 3: social I don't even know what you would say. I

446
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 3: would call her sort of socially liberal, but what does

447
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 3: that even mean, I don't know. But you have this

448
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,639
Speaker 3: like kind of centrist lesbian from mainstream media that made

449
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 3: people feel comfortable venting their frustrations with the left, and

450
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 3: that builds into common sense becoming big, getting major investors

451
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Speaker 3: at the Free Press. And so the New York Magazine

452
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 3: piece tells that story and shows the extent to which

453
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Speaker 3: it was bringing in extremely rich people, extremely powerful people

454
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Speaker 3: all around Barry, and it helps us, I think, contextualize

455
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Speaker 3: what she means to Wall Street, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, which

456
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Speaker 3: is she became the go.

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Speaker 5: To and yes.

458
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Speaker 6: And her early career and her college activism was around

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Speaker 6: Israel Palestine, where she led a bunch of campaigns to

460
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Speaker 6: try to get Palestinian professors fired, and a lot of

461
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Speaker 6: people remembered that when she emerged at as this like

462
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Speaker 6: leading cancel culture voice, Like wait a minute, the same

463
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Speaker 6: person who was like literally leading cancel culture before it

464
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 6: was a thing trying to get people fired for their

465
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Speaker 6: political views, is now saying that you should not try

466
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Speaker 6: to get people fired for their political views. But she never,

467
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 6: in the twenty twenty to twenty three range. Never, she

468
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 6: didn't make Zionism or canceling Palestinian professors remotely part of

469
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Speaker 6: her politics.

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Speaker 5: No one bit It wasn't.

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Speaker 6: And you can go through her like social media and

472
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 6: her writing at the time, it's basically absent from there.

473
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Speaker 6: And so the thing that the rich people in Los

474
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Speaker 6: Angeles were really glomming onto was like, oh, yeah, somebody

475
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Speaker 6: who looks young and liberal but saying things that I

476
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Speaker 6: agree with, and then when they find out later it's

477
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Speaker 6: not Ben Shapiro October seventh, that she's also like a

478
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Speaker 6: hard core supporter of Israel and will bend all journalistic

479
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Speaker 6: norms to defend Israel. They're like, well, that's a wonderful bonus,

480
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Speaker 6: and so they got the whole package there.

481
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Speaker 5: So then Ellison.

482
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Speaker 6: Winds up getting lunch with her or whatever they meet,

483
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Speaker 6: and she's like and that he talks about poaching her

484
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Speaker 6: to come to CBS if he ends up buying it,

485
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 6: and to her credit, she's like, cool, I'll do it.

486
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Speaker 6: I'll running right. I'm going to be the boss.

487
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Speaker 3: And she reports to him, not to the news division

488
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Speaker 3: like she is the head, reporting just to.

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Speaker 6: Him and taking a very unusual turn for an executive,

490
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Speaker 6: turning the camera around right on her because she thinks

491
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Speaker 6: that what the American right apparently once is more people

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Speaker 6: like Barry Weiss on the camera.

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Speaker 3: David Elison, by the way, to just quickly before we

494
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Speaker 3: move on to the ratings, I think that's where we're

495
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Speaker 3: about to go.

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Speaker 4: He I pulled his FEC record last night.

497
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Speaker 3: He was in twenty twenty four a big DEM donor,

498
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Speaker 3: and yeah, and it just makes the point that you were,

499
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Speaker 3: because apparently it was in twenty twenty four when he

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Speaker 3: met with Barry and started talking about whether they could

501
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Speaker 3: do some type of merger. And in the piece that's

502
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Speaker 3: mentioning how she's getting introduced to Jeff Bezos and I mean,

503
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Speaker 3: some of the richest people who have ever walked the

504
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Speaker 3: face of the earth, and they are fascinated by her.

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Speaker 4: And it just makes.

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Speaker 3: So much more sense that you have this one hundred

507
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Speaker 3: and one hundred and fifty million dollar deal between Paramount

508
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 3: and the Free Press, because she is not She's seen

509
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 3: as like this giant among journalists by these people who

510
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 3: just are I think she's the best thing since sliced bread,

511
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 3: because they had some well founded fears about illiberalism creeping

512
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 3: into the mainstream. The Tom cottonnap ed was legitimately a

513
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 3: bad decision. Retracting that was legitimately a bad decision from

514
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Speaker 3: The New York Times, And so she then becomes the

515
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 3: focal point of that angst. And it makes I think

516
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 3: that the story helps everyone makes sense. They kind of

517
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 3: we had this fuzzy knowledge that this was happening, but

518
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 3: it really fleshes out exactly how it was happening.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and so she comes to CBS News Saturday night.

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Speaker 6: She did a town hall. There was an Army Navy

521
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 6: game leading into the town hall, and ratings into it

522
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 6: absolutely nose dived and then has climbed again after the

523
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 6: town hall was over.

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Speaker 5: Glenn Greenwald can put up E two here.

525
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Speaker 6: Making the point CBS News has seven million subscribers on YouTube.

526
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 6: Beyond the anemic ratings, they also put Barry's Primetimes special

527
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 6: on their YouTube channel and it has a grand toll

528
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 6: of seventy two thousand views after two days, which, in

529
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Speaker 6: fairness to Barry, is ten times more than most free

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Speaker 6: press videos get. He also had said, I actually didn't

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Speaker 6: think it was possible to take one of the three

532
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Speaker 6: major TV networks and in primetime drag it down to

533
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 6: the lowliest ratings level of Yet Barry Weiss in her

534
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 6: first on camera special, managed to accomplish this remarkable feat.

535
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Speaker 6: And he was sharing a Dylan Byer's article there which

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Speaker 6: we can put up This is E three. So the

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Speaker 6: numbers coming in one point so one point nine total viewers.

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Speaker 6: One point nine million total viewers is across streaming on

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Speaker 6: broadcast networks. This is CBS's framing of it. Is up

540
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 6: thirty two percent boost in the CBS timeslot outpacing CBS

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Speaker 6: seasons at eight for Saturdays at eight pm, But if

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Speaker 6: you compare it to a year ago, it was down substantially.

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Speaker 5: Now, I will give her credit.

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Speaker 6: It says one hundred and eighty five million views on

545
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Speaker 6: social Now a bunch of those views are made up

546
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Speaker 6: oh social views.

547
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 5: Instagram and Twitter, but they're bullshit.

548
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Speaker 6: Even let's say it's ten percent of that. Like we

549
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 6: covered it, like we talked about it. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 6: on social media like nothing else that CBS News has

551
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Speaker 6: ever done.

552
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Speaker 5: It like or CBS has done at.

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Speaker 6: Eight pm on a Saturday is actually making hey on

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Speaker 6: social media. Now, most people were making fun of it,

555
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Speaker 6: so I don't know if that's what people were.

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Speaker 4: Really talking about it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it definitely had people engaging in like discourse.

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Speaker 4: Erka Kirk, Yeah, I mean it was definitely. It was

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Speaker 4: definitely newsy.

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Speaker 3: But the question of whether you're able to draw people

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Speaker 3: back to CBS with newsiness, that's the problem she's supposed

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Speaker 3: to be solving, right not I mean, she's supposed to

563
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 3: be doing like good journalism and the like, but also

564
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Speaker 3: that's supposed to be a magnet for more and more eyeballs,

565
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Speaker 3: and that's where you see them boosting those social numbers.

566
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Speaker 3: But we all know, and I'm sure their executives know,

567
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 3: though I'm constantly surprised by how gullible some of these

568
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Speaker 3: folks are. That Twitter just counts like people scrolling past

569
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 3: it as a view sometimes, and sure it's the same

570
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 3: is true on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, that you don't have

571
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Speaker 3: to actually tune into much of it. It could be

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Speaker 3: a couple of seconds to count it as a view.

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Speaker 3: So are you monetizing and are you, like, is your

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Speaker 3: influence scaling up with those numbers. That's a huge, huge question,

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Speaker 3: And that's I think what Glenn is getting at. It's you,

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Speaker 3: you can say, season to day, going up with a

577
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Speaker 3: big interview like that, people would probably expect bigger numbers

578
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Speaker 3: for such a big get. I wasn't surprised by those

579
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Speaker 3: numbers at all. I just Erica Kirk is still not

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Speaker 3: It's not like getting the president.

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Speaker 6: She's everywhere too. Didn't she hosts The Five? I don't know,

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Speaker 6: she like guest hosted The Five? Like, there's no shortage

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Speaker 6: of Erica Kirk contents. If that's your thing. We are

584
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Speaker 6: running late, so we'll try to do this real quickly.

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Speaker 6: But if you put up E four new like investigation

586
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Speaker 6: by The New York Times, it runs like tens of

587
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Speaker 6: thousands of words called scams, schemes, ruthless cons the untold

588
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 6: story of how Jeffrey Epstein got rich. Now, the point

589
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 6: of this seemed to be to knock down conspiracy theories

590
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Speaker 6: one of their lines in here, in his first two

591
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Speaker 6: decades of business, we found that Epstein was less a

592
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Speaker 6: financial genius than a prodigious manipulator and liar. Abundant conspiracy

593
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Speaker 6: theories hold that Epstein worked for spy services or ran

594
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Speaker 6: a lucrative blackmail operation. But we found a more prosaic

595
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Speaker 6: explanation for how he built a fortune.

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Speaker 5: Classic New York Times formulation.

597
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 6: Abundant conspiracy theorists say X, but we found a thing

598
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Speaker 6: that is completely non responsive to that thing, Like I

599
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 6: don't know anybody that's claiming that his blackmail operation was lucrative.

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Speaker 6: Do you know, Like I've never seen somebody say the

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Speaker 6: way he made his money.

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Speaker 5: Was through a blackmail operation.

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Speaker 6: If you want to talk to the conspiracy theorist at

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Speaker 6: the point, the blackmail is on behalf of intelligence agencies

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Speaker 6: and also helps him stay out of jail for all

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Speaker 6: of the different crimes that he's committing, Like that would

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Speaker 6: be the theory behind the blackmail operation that I've never

608
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Speaker 6: even seen, the theory that he was shaking people down.

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Speaker 6: Now I think Leon Black actually like maybe like there

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Speaker 6: might be a little bit of like, Okay, I'll pay

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Speaker 6: forty million a year because you know what we've been doing,

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Speaker 6: and just we're just hypothesizing here, not talking not not

613
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Speaker 6: we're all and we're talking all in the realm of allegations.

614
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Speaker 6: But that so anyway, so nothing that they found here

615
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Speaker 6: to me disproves that he worked for spy services.

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Speaker 3: I was so curious to get your take on this

617
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Speaker 3: because I saw people bouncing the story around social media saying.

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Speaker 4: We learned so much from it and closed.

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Speaker 3: And it's okay, So it does it fill in some details?

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Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, it fills in some details.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting stuff about people who were investing with

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Speaker 3: him early in his career, but it absolutely you get

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Speaker 3: through all of these thousands of words and it's not

624
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Speaker 3: case closed at all about how he made.

625
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Speaker 4: So much money.

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Speaker 3: The implication of the suggestion, or in some case, the accusation,

627
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Speaker 3: is that his fortune was kind of from uh siphoning

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Speaker 3: off funds from people like by the way, I'm sure

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Speaker 3: that is Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure that's true. It

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Speaker 3: doesn't It still does not ex blane how he went

631
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Speaker 3: from a fail like he was basically pushed out of

632
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 3: bear Stearns, and this article explains that, and then how

633
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: you keep failing up and up and up. It doesn't

634
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 3: actually ultimately explain that at all. That still remains. If anything,

635
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 3: it's more of a mystery after you see how many

636
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: people were screwed over by him, powerful people were screwed

637
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 3: over by him in his early years and actually throughout

638
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Speaker 3: his entire career. Seemingly, it doesn't make any more sense,

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Speaker 3: I don't think at least.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And so the Epstein Transparency Act kicks in Friday.

641
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 6: We're supposed to get a big release of information, will

642
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 6: probably come five o'clock on the Friday before the Christmas break,

643
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 6: but that'll be interesting to see what's in there. We

644
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 6: have to cut this short, but two things I would

645
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 6: point to, and we'll have a story on this hopefully

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Speaker 6: by Friday, because then we can talk about it on

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Speaker 6: the Friday at dropsite.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 6: Where so two things I would flag in here that

650
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Speaker 6: are interesting that raised more questions than they answer, so

651
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 6: he says they started, so he's talking about this, He

652
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 6: said that year, the couple traveled to England. While they

653
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 6: were there, Hale took Epstein to visit a rich acquaintance

654
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Speaker 6: of hers, Nick Lease, at his family's countryside manor. There

655
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Speaker 6: they met Nick Nick's father, Douglas Lease, a defense contractor

656
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Speaker 6: with extensive connections in the arms industry in the British government.

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Speaker 5: He took an immediate liking to Epstein.

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Speaker 6: Sorry, we've been working on focuses significantly on this Douglas

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Speaker 6: Lee's character. Go ahead and look up Douglas Lease. If

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Speaker 6: you're in the New York Times, you think it's sufficient

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Speaker 6: to just tell your your readership that he's a quote

662
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Speaker 6: defense contractor with extensive connections in the arms industry, You're

663
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Speaker 6: gonna have to wait for drops on News to tell

664
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Speaker 6: you a little bit more about who Douglas Lease is

665
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Speaker 6: and who these connections were in the arms industry. And

666
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 6: you know who he did is defense quote unquote defense

667
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Speaker 6: contracting with.

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Speaker 5: You won't be surprised to.

669
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Speaker 4: Was it Venezuela.

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Speaker 5: It was not Venezuela.

671
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Speaker 6: A lot of it going on in the Middle East. Separately,

672
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Speaker 6: they they say, and this is a useful revelation.

673
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Speaker 5: That quote.

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Speaker 6: Back in New York, he joined forces with John Stanley Pottinger,

675
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Speaker 6: a lawyer who had recently left a senior post in

676
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 6: the Justice Department. Epstein, Pottinger, and Pottinger's brother rented a

677
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 6: penthouse office in the Hotel Saint Marie's on Central Park South.

678
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 6: The broker told us that Epstein initially stiffed her on

679
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 6: the commission, and then they kind of just move on.

680
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Speaker 6: Who was Pottinger a central figure in the Iran contra,

681
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 6: in which the US worked with Israel to send weapons

682
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Speaker 6: to Iran in exchange from cash that they would eagerly

683
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Speaker 6: send to the contrast, we'll get it, We'll get a

684
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 6: lot more into that.

685
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Speaker 4: So Robert Maxwell, So they've all.

686
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Speaker 6: Kind of Maxwell, We're tight. So we've connected you. So

687
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 6: New York Times connected him to Lease, which he had

688
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 6: denied a connection to Douglas Lease. By the way, they

689
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Speaker 6: don't even mention that in the past he had angrily

690
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 6: rejected any connection to Douglas Lease and said maybe he

691
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 6: knew the kid, and there's a reason he would want

692
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Speaker 6: to angrily reject a connection to Douglas Leaves. And then

693
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 6: he's got him connected to a key figure in around contry.

694
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Speaker 6: But to the New York Times, this is more prosaic.

695
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Speaker 4: Yes, just yep.

696
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you're doing reporting because when I saw the

698
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 3: line defense contract goes like this is again not answering questions.

699
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 4: You are creating questions like yes.

700
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Speaker 3: Because I clicked on the link from somebody who had

701
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Speaker 3: posted and been like lots of questions answered here, and

702
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 3: as I'm reading it, I'm like, no, lots of questions raised.

703
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, what are you talking about? All right?

704
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Speaker 3: Looking forward to that draft site report and hopefully we'll

705
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Speaker 3: be able to talk about it on the Friday Show.

706
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Speaker 3: Let's move on to updates in the Brown University shooting

707
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 3: that left two students dead. Cash Betel announced yesterday they're

708
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Speaker 3: offering a reward.

709
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Speaker 4: We can put this video up on the screen. You'll

710
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Speaker 4: watch it. You can.

711
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 3: You can see that put out a video of a

712
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 3: person of interest in that shooting at Brown University from

713
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Speaker 3: the weekend. They have now announced a fifty thousand dollars reward.

714
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Speaker 3: You can see the person. If you're listening to this,

715
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Speaker 3: you can see the person walking around different parts of

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Speaker 3: the Brown campus in the seemingly of the Brown campus

717
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Speaker 3: in the daylight. Person is dressed in all black. Can't

718
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Speaker 3: really make out details of who it is, but that's

719
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Speaker 3: where the FBI announced yesterday actually they have this person

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Speaker 3: of interest.

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Speaker 4: It came though, as we learned.

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Speaker 3: Next element up on the screen that MIT, which is

723
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Speaker 3: of course in Boston, not all that far well, Cambridge,

724
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Speaker 3: if we're going to do that thing, not all that

725
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Speaker 3: far from Providence. A professor at MIT who was a

726
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Speaker 3: nuclear scientist. Essentially, it was shot to death at home

727
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Speaker 3: in Brookline. So huge, huge update potentially in the Brown story.

728
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Speaker 3: We have no evidence that this is connected or not.

729
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 3: But Brian Bryan, as you saw, I was combining Brown

730
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Speaker 3: and Ryan the Brown was the next video we put

731
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Speaker 3: this up on the screen over at Brown.

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Speaker 4: You see the FBI agent. I don't want to laugh at.

733
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Speaker 3: This ride because they're just scraping the snow here looking

734
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Speaker 3: for evidence, and they're like tripping around as they're kicking

735
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Speaker 3: the snow looking for evidence. So I'm sure that we're

736
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Speaker 3: going to get to the bottom this soon enough. But

737
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Speaker 3: as you put earlier, you either have two people on

738
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Speaker 3: the loose or one person who has now killed three

739
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 3: people right on the loose in New England.

740
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Speaker 6: And so the FBI scrambling is now offering a fifty

741
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 6: thousand dollars reward or presumably you can get a private

742
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 6: flight to Vegas with cash. Bettel valued at fifty thousand dollars.

743
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Speaker 6: He recently appeared on Katie Miller's podcast.

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Speaker 4: Yeah jocol last night.

745
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

746
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Speaker 4: Apparently it was recorded before the Brown shooting.

747
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Speaker 5: Okay, in any event, it's about him and his little his.

748
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Speaker 3: Girlfriend, right, tell them maybe to hold the episode until afterwards.

749
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Speaker 5: Or maybe don't do that at all, Like, what are

750
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Speaker 5: you doing?

751
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Speaker 4: Well, there's that too.

752
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Speaker 6: Yes, when he was appointed, I said good, because I

753
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 6: think it's good to have an incompetent boob running an

754
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 6: agency that does a lot of bad things. I now

755
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 6: am regretting that, Like, apparently you do need some level

756
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 6: of competence at the head of this agency.

757
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 5: Like come on, well, in the case of.

758
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Speaker 3: Brown, if this Mit shooting turns out murder turns out

759
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 3: to be connected to the Brown murder mass shooting, you

760
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 3: have a situation where in Brown, the authorities were saying,

761
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Speaker 3: first of all, Patel said they had He said they

762
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Speaker 3: had detained, they had somebody who was a suspect and

763
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Speaker 3: detention and it was kind of it was like a

764
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 3: long ex post and the tone of it was sort

765
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Speaker 3: of we got the guy, And maybe I'm being uncharitable

766
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 3: and reading too much into that, but that was the

767
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Speaker 3: tone that I took from Patel's post on X and

768
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Speaker 3: the authorities in Providence were basically like, everything is fine.

769
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Speaker 4: Everyone should feel safe.

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Speaker 3: So if it turns out that the same person shot

771
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Speaker 3: then murdered another professor at this time at MIT so

772
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Speaker 3: someone else from a campus, they're going to look even

773
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Speaker 3: dumber for trying to assuage the fears of the community,

774
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Speaker 3: which we're like learning as.

775
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Speaker 4: The person is still in the loose actually should.

776
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Speaker 3: Be that people should be afraid in Providence because they

777
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Speaker 3: don't have the person.

778
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Speaker 6: And obviously all human life is precious. Nuno Learero appears

779
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 6: to be like one of the most brilliant guys. You

780
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 6: can imagine like just a brain that it just just

781
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 6: has like an inconceivable level of intelligence in it. And

782
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Speaker 6: so like tributes are pouring in from people talking about

783
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 6: the you know what he will now be on what

784
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Speaker 6: he will now be unable to contribute to society is

785
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Speaker 6: and it's something we can't even conceive of because He's

786
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Speaker 6: one of those kinds of people who is able to

787
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Speaker 6: you know, think beyond you know other you know, other

788
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Speaker 6: mere mortals.

789
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Speaker 4: And obviously there's speculation happening right now that this is.

790
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Speaker 3: Foreign policy related when you have a leading nuclear science science.

791
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Speaker 6: Yeah, according to according to Israel, he is a completely

792
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Speaker 6: legitimate target, like all nuclear scientists, to them are are

793
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Speaker 6: legitimate targets, which is which I hope that underscore is

794
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Speaker 6: just how barbaric it is mm hmm to be bombing

795
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Speaker 6: nuclear scientists and their families.

796
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Speaker 3: At will will obviously keep everybody updated on the story,

797
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 3: because if it's connected to the Brown case, if it's

798
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Speaker 3: connected to any foreign policy.

799
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Speaker 4: It's huge.

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Speaker 3: Uh. And so we're going to follow it really really closely. Ryan,

801
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 3: should we move on to Gaza.

802
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Speaker 6: So, first of all, in a kind of out of nowhere,

803
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Speaker 6: Trump issued a new travel band expanding the list of

804
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 6: countries to include the Palestinian Authority. So putting people from

805
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 6: the Palestinian Authority on the travel ban has an added

806
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 6: layer of cruelty because they don't have their own country,

807
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 6: Like it's it's one thing if you ban people from

808
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 6: Chad from traveling, they can they can be in Chad

809
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 6: but in the Palestinian authority if if like they are,

810
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Speaker 6: they may be at extreme risk from the occupying country.

811
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Speaker 6: They don't have their own sovereignty to fall to fall

812
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Speaker 6: back on. And so we'll be we'll be exploring that

813
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 6: and the consequences of it, you know, more more thoroughly

814
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Speaker 6: and in the days, in the days to come. But

815
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Speaker 6: today I wanted to talk about living conditions in Gaza

816
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 6: in a way that goes beyond the kind of normal

817
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 6: headlines that we get. We had a story yesterday and

818
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 6: drops that you could it up g two here. The

819
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 6: headline tells it all garbage is poisoning Gaza. And this

820
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 6: is by Abdel Katter Saba, who's a videographer and photographer

821
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Speaker 6: in Gaza, who works with our editor Shreef Abdel Caduz,

822
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Speaker 6: who co authored uh this piece. And the footage and

823
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Speaker 6: the photos that will be showing you here of of

824
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 6: the trash pile up is from Abdul Cotter Saba. So

825
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 6: you can roll the roll the next element. I'll just

826
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Speaker 6: read some of this piece here. Over the past two years,

827
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Speaker 6: Gaza's civilian infrastructure has been systematically destroyed by the Israeli military,

828
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Speaker 6: including waste management services, is what you're looking at. Here

829
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Speaker 6: are is a transfer station and in a typical this

830
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 6: is the Yarmook waste transfer site. So typically at a

831
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 6: transfer site, people bring in garbage and then it gets

832
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Speaker 6: transferred to its final resting place or its incineration place,

833
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 6: or a.

834
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 5: Landfill or what have you.

835
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Speaker 6: The final waste treatment facility where this transfer site would transfer.

836
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 6: The waiste too, is now behind the yellow line that

837
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 6: Israel has drawn, and so they're they're not taking anymore.

838
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 6: So every day more and more trucks coming in, and

839
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Speaker 6: it just it just piles up. You see children playing

840
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 6: on it there, you see people setting up their tents.

841
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 6: You know, you're absolutely right right next to it. The

842
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 6: quotes that uh that Abdol Katsava got from people who

843
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 6: are living there are just just horrifying. One one person

844
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Speaker 6: told them that this is my tent and this is

845
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Speaker 6: the garbage dump I'm living across from. We don't sleep,

846
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 6: not at night nor during the day because of the garbage.

847
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 6: The smell comes at us constantly, and our children are

848
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 6: all ill. They suffer from severe headaches. We're dealing with

849
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 6: an infestation of germs and insects. Another, yeah, you can

850
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 6: absolutely understand it. Another person said, we were displaced from

851
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Speaker 6: the city of bay Leahea and the northern Gaza Strip,

852
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Speaker 6: and we came to Gaza City. We found that the

853
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 6: displaced were crowded in every corner of the strip. We

854
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 6: were forced to live among garbage in the Yarmouth garbage

855
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 6: site of the Gaza Municipality. We had thought we'd stay

856
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 6: somewhere safe, somewhere decent, but we were forced here. Nowhere

857
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 6: else to go. We were forced to stay at this dump.

858
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Speaker 6: I'm suffering because of this dump, suffering from the germs,

859
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 6: the rats and dogs. Every day I find twenty or

860
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 6: thirty rats inside my tent, right inside of it. I

861
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 6: don't even have a tent fit for human life.

862
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Speaker 5: So that is.

863
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 6: In the best of scenarios. Like that's when the weather

864
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 6: is nice, the sun is in the sky. The last

865
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 6: couple of weeks have seen have seen the opposite. Maybe

866
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Speaker 6: we can roll to g five. Here you can this

867
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Speaker 6: young kid giving a tour of the tent village that

868
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 6: is now constructed. You don't have to be able to

869
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 6: understand Arabic to understand the absolute fury at what the

870
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 6: world is delivering. Here as the wind blows, you know,

871
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 6: people have been living now three years. So you can

872
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,439
Speaker 6: see garbage blowing into their tent. You can see their

873
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 6: their tents blowing away. It's a third winter that people

874
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 6: are going into with these tents, while sufficient supplies for

875
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 6: over a million people are sitting outside of Gaza, just

876
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 6: outside in trucks.

877
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Speaker 5: Just outside this is Al Shifa Hospital, So even.

878
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 6: The hospitals are we're flooding from this, from this, from

879
00:45:52,719 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 6: this storm, and if so and so, the just just

880
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Speaker 6: to underline that supplies for more than a million people

881
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 6: facing these conditions are in trucks outside of Gaza. We

882
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 6: have a ceasefire, we have a ceasefire agreed to. They're

883
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 6: supposed to allow that in. They're just simply not allowing

884
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Speaker 6: it in. We talked to the head of a relief

885
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 6: organization who's in Gaza, and he said his theory is

886
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 6: that they're trying to make it just utterly unlivable. And

887
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 6: they've you know, they've they've offered to open the Rafa

888
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 6: border in one direction out to say like look and

889
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 6: feels like it's like okay, look, if you were holding

890
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 6: on hope for the war to end and then you

891
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 6: were going to stay, what we're trying to do is

892
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 6: destroy that hope because now the war has technically ended,

893
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 6: yet your life is just unlivable, So why don't you

894
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 6: just leave like that? That is the message that he

895
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 6: believes that Israel Netyahu's sending.

896
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Speaker 3: With this well, and that's one of my questions forream

897
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 3: was going to be. Is the US involvement in it's

898
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 3: the best word for this being the shrpa over this

899
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 3: peace process? What is the what is the US involvement

900
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 3: right now looking like? And is this then also a

901
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 3: US strategy to squeeze gosins for the raising of the

902
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: strip into Mara Gaza or whatever?

903
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 6: Right, I mean, you would you would think it has

904
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 6: to be the policy is what it's doing. The US military,

905
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 6: you know, they set up this coordination center with Israel

906
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 6: to try to deconflict during the ceasefire, which Israel breaks

907
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 6: effectively every single day and announces that it has broken it.

908
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 6: But we so we the US military sent some of

909
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 6: our top logistics experts that we have and the US

910
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 6: military does have like when it comes to logistics, like

911
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 6: they have been taking it extremely seriously for two hundred

912
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 6: year and have some of the best at it. So

913
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 6: we sent our best and Brightest to this coordination center

914
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 6: to figure out how is it that we're not able

915
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 6: to get the supplies in and get the supplies distributed

916
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 6: to the population within weeks. They all left because they

917
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 6: were like, oh, this is not a logistics problem, this

918
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 6: is a political problem. And the military said this publicly

919
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 6: that the problem is the Israelis have a list of

920
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 6: things that they call dual use, dual military use that

921
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 6: they won't let in. And the list includes tent poles, pencils, paper,

922
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 6: most like cooking. Fuel is almost non existent at this point,

923
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 6: and so they're like, what you don't need us. We're

924
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 6: not the answer to this problem. The logistics are solvable.

925
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 6: The political problem is what you need to deal.

926
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 4: With those images.

927
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Speaker 3: If people were just listening to this, go ahead and

928
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Speaker 3: find the YouTube video of the segment, because you can

929
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 3: see the proximity of the tents to the garbage and

930
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 3: it's horrifying.

931
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, and just getting worse every single day as it

932
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 6: piles up and piles up. Meanwhile, there was a I

933
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 6: don't know if you saw this, there was an AI

934
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 6: image going around of a fake account who's trying to

935
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 6: just raise money on chuffed saying like, look at my

936
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 6: family and it's like twelve Palestinians in a tent, but

937
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 6: the water's up to their waist, which is of course

938
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Speaker 6: is impossible because the tents are not water tight, so

939
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Speaker 6: you're not getting like and there wouldn't be that pactent,

940
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 6: but it was.

941
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Speaker 5: It was other than that. Wasn't the water. You look

942
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 5: at it, it's like, wow, that looks real.

943
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Speaker 6: So you're going to see a lot of and it

944
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 6: to excess credit, it did have a note on it

945
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Speaker 6: that said this is AI generated because they could figure

946
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 6: out with the hands and stuff like that and also

947
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 6: the water level. But like so people like AI is

948
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 6: going in and just exploiting this misery.

949
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and obviously I know you're reporting follows as close.

950
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 3: But everyone is happy that the war is over, you know,

951
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 3: humane people are happy that the war is over. But

952
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 3: on the other side of that, the political incentives to

953
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 3: keep an eye on the humanitarian crisis are obviously diminished

954
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 3: at this point, right here in the US and all

955
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Speaker 3: over the world.

956
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Speaker 5: Yes, indeed awful. So yeah, so we will be back on.

957
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Speaker 6: Friday, and then we'll have we'll roll out it for

958
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Speaker 6: a couple of weeks.

959
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 5: Two weeks six. We're gonna have like pre tape segments.

960
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Speaker 6: Yesterday I interviewed Nathaniel Raymond, who's a Yale humanitarian researcher

961
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Speaker 6: at on Sudan.

962
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Speaker 5: I think we'll post his video.

963
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 6: That was an incredible and sobering, intense interview with this

964
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 6: guy talking about like like as as bad as things

965
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 6: are in Gaza, like the in Sudan, like the number

966
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 6: of people getting killed and starved, like we're if it

967
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 6: continues like this, we're going to be at Rwanda levels,

968
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Speaker 6: and then we'll for twenty years, we'll have people talking

969
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 6: about why nobody did anything.

970
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Speaker 3: I'll look forward to watching that. Yeah, we have some

971
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Speaker 3: great pre recorded content coming out right.

972
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Speaker 5: I interviewed Emily, I.

973
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Speaker 3: Interviewed Ryan, so that'll be fun. And we will have

974
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Speaker 3: a Friday show this week. So this isn't us signing

975
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Speaker 3: off until twenty twenty six. You will still get another

976
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Speaker 3: dose of US on Friday, and then some pre recorded

977
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 3: doses of US over the holiday. But I'm looking forward

978
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Speaker 3: to being back here in the new year. Ryan Wednesday,

979
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Speaker 3: the first Wednesday of the new year is going to

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Speaker 3: be January seven, all right, So it's going to be

981
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Speaker 3: a while before we're back in the studio.

982
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Speaker 6: All right, stay safe, we'll see you then see yeah.