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Speaker 1: which Giants quarterback with a Cardinal's face on Sunday and

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Speaker 1: eleven earlier his experience with COVID nineteen and what he

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Speaker 1: Corey Peters News the Best Kind. It's Cardinals Cover two,

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Speaker 1: episode three sixty eight, and it starts now. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two with Craig Grigolou and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year Award mj might

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Speaker 1: hands out each year. You hear it from players. Larry

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Speaker 1: was recognized in twenty sixteen. It meant a lot to

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Speaker 1: him because of what Walter Payton meant to the league.

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Speaker 1: And it is an award that recognizes a players excellence

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Speaker 1: on but more importantly off the field, what they do

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Speaker 1: in the community, their service, their involvement. And earlier today,

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals announced that Corey Peters is the team's

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Speaker 1: winner of the Walter Payton Man of the Year Award. So,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, congratulations to Corey Peters because it is

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Speaker 1: certainly deserved, not only for his play, but more importantly,

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Speaker 1: as we mentioned, because of his work with kids, specifically

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Speaker 1: And for those that I've listened to this show since

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Speaker 1: the voice a reason would always stand as locker whether

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Speaker 1: a year. And you know, we got a chance to

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Speaker 1: a lot of guys that do charity work, and a

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Speaker 1: he's been living here six years, and we'll get into

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen in the future. Based on what

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Speaker 1: he said, He's gonna make Arizona his home and so

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Speaker 1: it's well deserved. He's a true professional and when you

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Speaker 1: He gives back to his community, and really, I'm really

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Speaker 1: happy for him because a lot of guys talking a game,

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Speaker 1: He's had a huge impact on the Phoenix's South Point

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Speaker 1: more difficult, not only for Peters, but for players with

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals, throughout the entire league and throughout professional sports

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it gets publicized, sometimes it does nuts. Peters said

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Speaker 1: practice inside the bubble. They were not on the grass,

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Speaker 1: So we will wait. Friday's injury report is always the

431
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 1: most important. Will get the game status from the head

432
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Speaker 1: coach Cliff Kingsbury to figure out exactly who Vante Joseph

433
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: might have at his disposal this week against the Giants.

434
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Speaker 1: Did not see Campbell out of practice yesterday. He's been

435
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Speaker 1: dealing with an injury. I think he's played better over

436
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Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. I did see Simmons during

437
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Speaker 1: the open portion of practice. He was next to Hicks.

438
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Speaker 1: So if you look at it on paper, I mean,

439
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: if Campbell's not either play, I would assume it's going

440
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 1: to have to be Simmons. And then you've got Chris Banjo,

441
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: who's a veteran guy. You know. To me, Jalen Thom's

442
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: got a little bit more arranged, but it is what

443
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 1: it is. Lisa's the guy that dresses on game day

444
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: and he plays on teams and he's getting better. It's just,

445
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: you know, the more he sees the more he plays,

446
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: the more active he could be. So it's not ideal.

447
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 1: But and Jonathan Joseph, I mean yeah, I mean that's

448
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: that was scary and I didn't know if it was

449
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: a concussion, it was a stinger, and so you gotta

450
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: be you gotta be carefully in time. You talk about that,

451
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: and they really liked what he was doing. Maybe that

452
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: get by Murphy some more time out there, but I

453
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 1: really like that was four corners when they're when they're outhy,

454
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: because I think Kirkpatrick probably doesn't get talked about it

455
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: now if I think he's done well and there's games

456
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: that obviously give up plays like anybody else, but yeah,

457
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: he's They've they've taken a hit on defense. I don't

458
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: think they can take any more hits. It seems like well,

459
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: especially at that inside linebacker position. Outside of Hicks, Campbell

460
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: and Simmons, you got Tanner Vallejo and Ezekiel Turner. Zeke

461
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: is more of a special teams guy. So if Campbell

462
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Speaker 1: is less than one hundred percent or Simmons is less

463
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: than one hundred percent, because of what we think, something

464
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,479
Speaker 1: happened at practice on Wednesday for him to show up

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Speaker 1: on the injury report on Thursday. Perhaps Tanner Vallejo, who

466
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: did get a run last year next to Jordan Hicks

467
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: at inside linebacker. So certainly depth at inside linebacker now

468
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: all of a sudden is something to pay attention to. Yeah,

469
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: and we'll get into this a little bit more tomorrow.

470
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: And you know, we got a chance to talk to

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Speaker 1: Advance today advanced Joseph Cardinal's defensive quartering like we do

472
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Speaker 1: every Thursday. Always a good conversation. And you know, last

473
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: year they had Pat Shermer as their head coach and

474
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,239
Speaker 1: he's more of an offensive and the guy and they

475
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: were throwing the ball, you know, with Daniel Jones. And

476
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: this year, you know, they bring in Jason Garrett and

477
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: he says they've have gone from a passing team to

478
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Speaker 1: a running team. And then Gallman last week Wayne Gallman

479
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: and then Alfred Morris. They really ran the ball really well.

480
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,239
Speaker 1: And he says their offensive line is big. We know

481
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: about Andrew Thomas and then Cam Erning and they got

482
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: some good players up there, and they mentioned Evan Ingram.

483
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: So this team doesn't score a lot of points, but

484
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: they're big and physical upfront. Um, you know, we'll see

485
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 1: if Daniel Jones runs a little bit what good an

486
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: set us tomorrow. But I'm just saying that front seven

487
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: niece somehow, some way, Craig, I mean that that's going

488
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: to be a big issue in this game. If you

489
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: don't have your your starters. You could say with every team,

490
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 1: well we know how important some of these guys are.

491
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 1: For the Cardinals, well just that front seven where there's

492
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Speaker 1: defensive line and linebackers. No, you don't have a Chandler Jones.

493
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: You don't have a Corey Peters. And right now Jordan

494
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: Phillips is on the shelf making his way back. But

495
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: this team needs to kind of get back to what

496
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: they were doing earlier in the season, even immediately after

497
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: Jones got hurt, and that is getting to the quarterback,

498
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: getting pressure up the middle or on the edges. Mj.

499
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 1: This team does not have a sack or excuse me,

500
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: they only have seven sacks over the last four games.

501
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: And is that predicated on because you know you don't

502
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,959
Speaker 1: have Chandler Jones, And that certainly has played a factor.

503
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: Devonka Nard certainly hasn't given you what you had thought

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00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: you were going to get from him. As far as

505
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: a pass rush, and Marcus he has one sack and

506
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: the five games that he has played with the Arizona

507
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 1: Cardinals and has Don Reddick only has or has no

508
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: sacks or quarterback hits since Week seven. Well, I think

509
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: Reddick more playing time. You know, teams watch him on

510
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,959
Speaker 1: film and he's a guy you've got an id when

511
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: you rake the huddle because he can't rush the passer.

512
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: If that's one of his strength. Yeah, Golden, he's missed

513
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: a few sacks this year. I mean it's just a

514
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: matter of him, you know, being disciplined, don't jumping offsides.

515
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: But I've never gonna question the passion and the energy

516
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: brings you know, to me, they'll come in bunches for him.

517
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: But if they're more of a rushing team, you need

518
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: to have your bigs out there. Now. They do have,

519
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,959
Speaker 1: you know, their wide receivers, you know, Darius Slayton and

520
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: then Golden takes more of a slot receiver. M they

521
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: got some guys that can you know, run the routes.

522
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: But and then Evan Engram. But I'm just saying, if, if,

523
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: if you have to rely on Tanner Vallejo or Zeke Turner,

524
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: because they're capable of playing is just they're obviously more

525
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: backup and rotation guys. But if Jonathan Joseph, we'll see

526
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: about him. I wonder how that's going to affect their

527
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: sub packages, because you know, if they're a running team,

528
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: you gotta get your bigs out there if they're going

529
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: to try to spin it, which I don't think they'll do,

530
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: and I don't think Jones are going to run as

531
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: much with a hamstring injury. So ultimate matchup, but you'd

532
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: like to have your bigs in that front seven because

533
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: I do think they're gonna try to run the football

534
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: based on what's happened in the last couple of weeks.

535
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones limited again because of that hamstring injury, although

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Speaker 1: according to head coach Joe Judge, they are certainly quote

537
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: optimistic that Daniel Jones will play this week. He did

538
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: not last week. When the Giants went into Seattle and

539
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: beat the Seahawks, Colt McCoy got the win in relief

540
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: or as the backup, his first win since twenty fourteen.

541
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: But to your point about this Giants offense, their success

542
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: is because they run the football eleventh best rushing offense,

543
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,479
Speaker 1: but they had one hundred and ninety yards on the

544
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Speaker 1: ground against the Seahawks, with Wayne Gallman rushing for a

545
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Speaker 1: career high one hundred and thirty five yards. We always

546
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: hear it, you have to stop the run, and that

547
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,959
Speaker 1: is certainly the case this week. Yeah, and you know

548
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: Alfred Morris, I mean, he really gets the headlines, but

549
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 1: it was really Gallman that got the You know, it

550
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: looks like Alfred Morris as their short yardage back, he

551
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: got two touchdowns. Gellman he had over one hundred, one

552
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: hundred nineteen yards. They ran for one hundred ninety one yards,

553
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: So it looks like and when I watched the highlights

554
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: of Gellman, this guy he can. He can. He can

555
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: do a jump cut on a diet like there wasn't

556
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: a big hole form, but he was able to bounce outside.

557
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: So that's and again the Cardinal's going to be a

558
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: much better tackling team in that secondary um. We talked

559
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: about how many yards after catch the Rams had over

560
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty yards, and that's a them getting

561
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: too much separation and then they're off to the races,

562
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: or you're you're not clashing your coverage, or you're missing

563
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: tackles in the open field and the car and Vants

564
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: harped on it again today third down. So yeah, this

565
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: offense may not have explosive plays. They haven't scored a

566
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: ton of touchdowns, but once again, I just don't think

567
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: they beat themselves. Does it matter whether it's Daniel Jones

568
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: or Colt McCoy at least as far as what the

569
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: Cardinals are looking to do to get their team a win, well,

570
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: I think Jones they can throw the ball down the

571
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,479
Speaker 1: field more. It looks like cult McCoy, who we know

572
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: the Cardinals have struggled against backup quarterbacks, especially on the road.

573
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: Lander Jones comes to mind. He's more of a game manager,

574
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: but he has experience. He's smart enough, he's been around

575
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: different franchises, who's played at a high level in college,

576
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: so him, he's not going to make mistakes. Jones could

577
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: press it at some point in time, but their offense

578
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: is completely different from when the Cardinals went up there

579
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: and got on that winning street after Cincinnati. So I

580
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: think Jones is a guy that can make more plays

581
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: where Cope McCoy's just you know, again, he's going to

582
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: try to win the game if they have to, But

583
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: I think he's more of a and it's not a

584
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: bad thing game. There's don't turn the ball, let our

585
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: defense play well, and we'll try to win on special teams.

586
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: McCoy was thirteen of twenty two for one hundred and

587
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: five yards, one touchdown, one interception, although he only had

588
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: I believe I read one completion that was longer than

589
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty yards. So he's not going to really

590
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: expand your defense or let's play the vertical game. So yeah,

591
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,959
Speaker 1: they're going to keep it on the ground and as

592
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: Vance Joseph said, quote, they're slowing teams down, burning out

593
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: the clock. Ball control is where this Giants team has

594
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: won games this season and specifically during this four game

595
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: winning streak. Yeah, well that means they've got to pick up,

596
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of third downs. You got to

597
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: extend drives, and that's got to be the number one besides,

598
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, getting imageable first and second downs. That's got

599
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 1: to be the emphasis suite that this week, because you

600
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: know that means they're gonna have to go on long

601
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: drives if they try to play that game. Keith Kyler

602
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: Murray the Cardinals off on some of the field that

603
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: can backfire, So get him off on third down. Then

604
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: they can't, you know, run the ball. If they're running

605
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: three or four yards at pop, they're going to continue

606
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: to run it. And then you know, they're not looking

607
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: at third and eight, Craig, They're looking at third and two,

608
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: and that's a manageable running down. This Cardinals defense at

609
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: one point was a top ten defense on third down.

610
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: Then they dropped to about a top fifteen. Right now

611
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: they stand at number twenty allowing forty two point six

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00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: percent on third down, and that is a stat that

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00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: is not sitting well with coach Joseph, who brought up

614
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: third down a number of different times when he addressed

615
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: the media earlier today, because you look at what the

616
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,959
Speaker 1: Rams did nine of fifteen on third down. And that

617
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: is why Joseph believes the Cardinals defense was on the

618
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: field for so long in the first half, not because

619
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: the Cardinals offense was going throwing out, but because the

620
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: Cardinals defense failed to get off the field on third down.

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Speaker 1: And he said they were, they were, they were on

622
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: their drives. They were picking up two or three third downs.

623
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: You know, at some point you gotta make a stop.

624
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: Somebody has to make a play, and some of those

625
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: drives were long and we know it could be difficult,

626
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like they were throwing bombs. It wasn't

627
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: like they were getting forty yards. It was, you know,

628
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: a ten yard pass and then yards after kets, run

629
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 1: after catch, so um. You know, you look at Darius Slayton,

630
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 1: h Sterling Shepherd, and Golden Tate. They also have Dante

631
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 1: Pettis there, but he also mentioned Evan Ingram and he's

632
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: a very athletic tight end and you know, I don't

633
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: know how much you'll use him in the blocking game,

634
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: but they do have some weapons on the outside, and

635
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: they do have some speed, and Golden Tate and may

636
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: draw that assignment with Byron Murphy and then Kirkpatrick's going

637
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: to be on the outside and we could see Patrick

638
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: on layer possibly Sterling Shepherd well Ingram a team best

639
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: forty eight catches and that's from a tight end position,

640
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: and I think that tells you everything you need to

641
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: know about the Giants passing offense when you have a

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Speaker 1: tight end, a very good tight end, but it's the

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Speaker 1: tight end position that doesn't get a lot of targets.

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Speaker 1: Yet he has a lot of targets plus forty eight catches,

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Speaker 1: and let's hope knock on wood here. We haven't had

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Speaker 1: a chance, we haven't had to talk about the tight

647
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Speaker 1: end position when it comes to Cardinals defense this season. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's been a couple of tight ends that have gotten

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Speaker 1: loose or scored a touchdown, but it has not been

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Speaker 1: an issue this season. I'm not saying that to watch

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Speaker 1: out on Sunday, but just keep an eye on Evan

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Speaker 1: Ingram as a tight end, especially knowing the history the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals have covering tight ends. You know, correct something else

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Speaker 1: we should talk about, because it's not only the Cardinals,

655
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Speaker 1: and we talked about it yesterday about you know, we

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Speaker 1: love the continuity chemistry with the five offensive linemen and

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Speaker 1: our colleague Collo Odeg got a chance to talk to

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Speaker 1: Joe Judge and I did notice on their snap sheet

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Speaker 1: Will Hernandez was subbing. And we can get into a

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Speaker 1: little more here, but the Giants are also doing it.

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Speaker 1: And now when I look at their tackles, they got

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Speaker 1: again Andrew Thomas first round pick, and then they went

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Speaker 1: out and got Cameron Fleming from the Dallas Cowboys, and

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Speaker 1: those guys great out very very well. Not saying that

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Speaker 1: seatlesn't had pass rushers, but just to hear another coach

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Speaker 1: kind of have similar And he also said, we want

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Speaker 1: to keep these guys fresh, and you know they want

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Speaker 1: to play some young guys. They're in a little bit

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Speaker 1: different spot. The Cardinals were trying to win games. What

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Speaker 1: were your thoughts when you heard Joe Judge say that

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Speaker 1: they're doing something similar. It was a surprise, just because

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Speaker 1: you don't hear it a lot. And to be honest,

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Speaker 1: I haven't watched a whole heck of a lot of

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Speaker 1: Giants games outside of highlights. But in highlights, you don't

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Speaker 1: see offensive lineman running in and out. It's typically not

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Speaker 1: done because you like the continuity of five guys working

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Speaker 1: together as a team. It's not five into visuals like

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Speaker 1: sometimes a defensive line might be. When you've got three

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Speaker 1: or four, you might not have the most talented individuals,

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Speaker 1: but when you put five guys together, you might have

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Speaker 1: the best offensive line in the entire league. That's why

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00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: one it was eye opening, and two it is like

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Speaker 1: you start questioning why are you shuffling so much? Especially

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Speaker 1: as you said, the Cardinals are in win now. They

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00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: need these games. And you can argue the Giants because

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Speaker 1: of their run here at four and row that they

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Speaker 1: need this one as well, and you'd be absolutely correct.

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Speaker 1: This is something though they've done for the better part

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Speaker 1: of this entire season because they have a longer term

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00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: outlook on those young players. Although one note Matt hurt

691
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: the tackle dealing with an ankle injury. He did not

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Speaker 1: practice yesterday or today, So something to pay attention to

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Speaker 1: with regards to the giant step along the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: But I'll be interesting to see if this is a

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Speaker 1: trend that more and more teams do, and the Cardinals

696
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Speaker 1: were just at the forefront, or if this is just

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Speaker 1: a one off and teams look at it and say, no,

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Speaker 1: we prefer keeping five guys consistency, continuity. However, as you

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Speaker 1: want to explain it, I'd be real literally if I'm

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Speaker 1: a head coach or an offensive coordinator, especially if I'm

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Speaker 1: changing out the center, and the Cardinals did that last

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Speaker 1: week with Mason Cole and the Mount Gilliards. That can

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Speaker 1: be dangerous, especially whether you're under center or out of

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Speaker 1: the shotgun. Well, if you remember when they were making

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Speaker 1: some of these changes, and Andrew Thomas was, you know

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Speaker 1: a lot of times, I guess the Mark Colombo used

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Speaker 1: to coach of Dallas Cowboys. Jason Garrett brought him over

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Speaker 1: from Dallas and he was the head offensive line coach

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Speaker 1: and he was doing his media session. He was telling

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Speaker 1: what Aaron Drew Thomas was doing wrong. You don't tell

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Speaker 1: that in the media. Why people write stories, they're going

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Speaker 1: to read about it. And so he ended up getting

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Speaker 1: into an argument with Joe Judge and he used some

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Speaker 1: profanity and they fired him on the spot. Then they

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Speaker 1: hired the backup and ever since they hired the backup

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Speaker 1: offensive coach, they've been playing much better. Andrew Thomas is

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Speaker 1: settling in. You know, people were again, you don't draft

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Speaker 1: the guy for one year, he's your future left tackle.

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Speaker 1: They went out and got an eighth solder, and you know,

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Speaker 1: he spent a ton of money for him, and so

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Speaker 1: round in twenty eighteen, and that's Dave Gentelman. So and

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Speaker 1: then you know they got Berkeley. So when when they

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Speaker 1: offensive line just just and again, that guy was a

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Speaker 1: backup there. I don't know how to pronounce his last name, um,

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Speaker 1: but Mark Colombo. He had the player's mentality and he

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Speaker 1: you know he's got a coach in the bill. You

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Speaker 1: don't coach in the media session. It's going to be

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Speaker 1: interesting to see. And one last point on this Cardinals

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Speaker 1: defense going against the Giants offense. You wonder how much

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Speaker 1: it will mean for a Marcus Golden and a Divan

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Speaker 1: Kinnard going against their former team. Now, it was just

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Speaker 1: a few weeks ago Golden was worrying that Giants blue

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Speaker 1: and Devon Kannard was drafted by the Giants. He's played

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Speaker 1: been a little while since he wore those colors. But

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Speaker 1: it always is a storyline and it's always interesting. Justin

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Speaker 1: Pugh brought it up earlier this week. He admitted, oh,

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Speaker 1: I want to beat the Giants, even though there's barely

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Speaker 1: any players that he played with, but there are still

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Speaker 1: people in that organization. And when you spend X number

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Speaker 1: of years with the team and then you leave, you

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Speaker 1: always kind of want to show whether it was your

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Speaker 1: choice or not that you left that hey, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm succeeding without you, And that's just human nature. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think Justin pu likes to play back in New Jersey,

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Speaker 1: New York whether it's a Jets or Giants, but obviously

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Speaker 1: that's a team they drafted him on Marcus Golden. He

750
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: couldn't be thrilled to be a Arizona Cardinal. Hopefully it

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Speaker 1: all works out, he's here again next year and he

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Speaker 1: can have a bigger role. You know, I'd have to

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Speaker 1: go back because he did have that sack on that

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Speaker 1: Thursday night. I don't know how much playing time he

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Speaker 1: was getting, you know, and he had to make a decision,

756
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Speaker 1: and he went back there and signed a four year deal,

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Speaker 1: and the Cardinals on like two and a half on

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Speaker 1: the remaining games he was going to play. He was

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Speaker 1: expecting a long term deal, so obviously they felt like,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's probably on a one year deal. They're linebackers.

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Speaker 1: You start looking at their linebackers on defense, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're sam linebackers. A six round pick, Blake Martinez was

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Speaker 1: a free agent pickup from the Packers. You look at

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Speaker 1: DeVante Downs, he was a free agent from the forty

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Speaker 1: nine ers. They drafted three guys in the seventh round,

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Speaker 1: Carter Coughlin, Take Crowder, and t J. Brunson, and those

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Speaker 1: guys are actually playing. Their draft class is one of

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Speaker 1: the best draft classes that's actually playing. So you could

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Speaker 1: tell when you hire a new coach they're building for

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Speaker 1: the future. So at the same time, this is a

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Speaker 1: game the Cardinals, and that's why it's so you know,

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Speaker 1: we do it just out of you know, when did

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals go to the East Coast? How many primetime

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Speaker 1: games they have, who's their home opener, when's the division games?

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Speaker 1: We all looked at the scheduling on a new head

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Speaker 1: coach and you can just chalk this out. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: so fast. Yeah, it's one of those games every year,

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Speaker 1: Craig yep. Because and let's be honest, the Cardinals haven't

779
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Speaker 1: faced murderers row with opposing quarterbacks this year. When the

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Speaker 1: schedules come out, it doesn't account for one injuries to weather,

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Speaker 1: and then everything else that comes up during the course

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Speaker 1: of a season. So what looked like a sure win

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Speaker 1: in the offseason, maybe even in training camp, and in

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Speaker 1: week one, now all of a sudden, there's a big

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Speaker 1: question mark here in week fourteen because there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of people you sit and read and listen to what

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00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: is being said and written, there's a lot of people

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Speaker 1: that are picking the Giants over the Cardinals. This week.

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Speaker 1: I get it, and and know certain people like our

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00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: guy Kyle doesn't like momentum. But you know, Craig, they

791
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Speaker 1: haven't played against Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Tom Brady,

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Speaker 1: and Drew Brees. I mean they're playing against the NFC

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Speaker 1: East quarterbacks. Okay, I mean I know Kyler Murray played

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Speaker 1: against Lamar Jackson. I know Josh Rosen played against Kansas

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Speaker 1: City right a couple of years ago. That's got That's

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Speaker 1: the first thing I look at besides home opener. Okay,

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Speaker 1: how many good quarter quality? You know they played against

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen? You know two at the time was rolling.

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Speaker 1: But they've avoided a lot of the top quarterbacks in

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Speaker 1: the NFL, and I don't know all I thought that's

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Speaker 1: going to be the case next year. So you better

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Speaker 1: start winning and get you know, and get some confidence

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Speaker 1: going to you can build off these last four games.

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Speaker 1: a good one, the Rams hosting the Patriots. Yet we're

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Speaker 1: still expecting MJ to bring it on Friday's Football Friday's

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Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Cover two. Well, if you listen to

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Speaker 1: a couple out. Now we'll go more in depth because,

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Speaker 1: as we say, Craig, it's all about matchups. And let's

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Speaker 1: let's I know that you know, the people are angry,

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Speaker 1: and I get it, and they're upset. A lot of

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Speaker 1: negativity out there. And just remember they're only in the

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Speaker 1: second year of this new regime with the head coach

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Speaker 1: in the quarterback. It takes time. But again, when you

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Speaker 1: get off to a five and two, six and three start,

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Speaker 1: I understand the expectations get right. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: one game at a time, just get this one and

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Speaker 1: we'll go a long way. How this team finishes in

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Speaker 1: the final four games. Well, we await what Mike Direcki

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Speaker 1: has to say on Friday's edition of Cardinals Cover two

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Speaker 1: Thursday edition of Cardinals Covered two Special things. As always,

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Speaker 1: to our executive producer Jim Hundreds or Mike Jarecki, I'm

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