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Speaker 1: Surrelate on Bloomberg and one oh five point seven h

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Speaker 1: how are you, hey, Kevin? How are you doing today?

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Speaker 1: Greg landmarks Supreme Court decision six three decision Neil Gorst's

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Speaker 1: I need some optimism and some positivity, you know, these days,

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Speaker 1: He's a Democrat in the state of Pennsylvania. And there's

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Speaker 1: actually now the state Legislator, which is controlled by Republicans

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Speaker 1: there's going to be about whether or not Governor Wolf

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Speaker 1: can keep his declaration of a state of emergency. So

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Speaker 1: there's a fascinating political battle brewing in the Keystone State. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I want to switch gears with Congressman Fred Kellery. He's

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Speaker 1: a Republican for Pennsylvania who's on the line with us.

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Speaker 1: There was a roundtable discussion today about potential for police

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Speaker 1: reform what will Republicans like yourself be able to get

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Speaker 1: on board with. We just heard earlier from Niki Schwab

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Speaker 1: from the Daily Mail that the President is going to

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Speaker 1: likely make some comments about this in the Rose Garden tomorrow. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think there's a couple of things we need to

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Speaker 1: be looking at. We need we need to look at transparency,

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Speaker 1: training and termination and what I call accountability, which is like,

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Speaker 1: you know, is there is there's an officer that is

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Speaker 1: not behaving the way you should, they should they should

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Speaker 1: get tied up in a whole bunch of red tape.

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Speaker 1: But training is so important, and we've been doing round tables,

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Speaker 1: uh in p A twelve we we was, I was

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Speaker 1: and then uh, you know which they're looking for accreditation

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Speaker 1: the thing I want to say is most of the

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Speaker 1: people to go out and put on the uniform and

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Speaker 1: go out and serve the people are good, upstanding people.

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Speaker 1: It's just like anything else. So any organization, there's some

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Speaker 1: people that do not behave properly. Those ones that do

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Speaker 1: not behave property like you know saw Minneapolis and and

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Speaker 1: down in Atlanta. We need to make sure that they're

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Speaker 1: held to the fullest account of the law. But that's

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Speaker 1: you know, we don't want to just you know, paint

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Speaker 1: everybody with that broad brush, because no matter what it is,

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Speaker 1: you know, you have some people that don't behave right

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Speaker 1: and you can't legislate good behavior, but you could, you

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Speaker 1: could take a look at those three things I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: the the accountability of the training, and the transparency and

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Speaker 1: really craft uh you know a good a good uh

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Speaker 1: hear you, and and the thing like I mean, but

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Speaker 1: I want to follow up on this because it's been

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Speaker 1: it hasn't been since nineteen sixty seven. That was when

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Speaker 1: create nine on one and then in night and in

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Speaker 1: the sixties was when nine on one was created. We've

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Speaker 1: got like ninety seconds. I could go on this forever,

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Speaker 1: but you know, are we had a are we at

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Speaker 1: a watershed moment, Congressman Keller where you know, when you

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Speaker 1: called him on one of the cop shows up, Well,

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Speaker 1: maybe you need someone else than a police officer. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they are brave people. I think everyone would agree that

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Speaker 1: there are many brave policemen and women. But are we

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Speaker 1: at a point where when you call NIM on one,

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Speaker 1: maybe you need a psychiatrist or maybe you need a

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Speaker 1: mental health professional to show up. Uh, and that would

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Speaker 1: even take pressure off of police officers. Do you get

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Speaker 1: what I'm getting at? Do you hear that from? And

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Speaker 1: I think I think it would depend upon why you're

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Speaker 1: calling one? You know what I mean? Uh so, so

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Speaker 1: you know, just to just to say, you know, it

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Speaker 1: all depends on the circumstance in the situation that people

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Speaker 1: are calling nine one one, And I think that gets

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Speaker 1: to eat even to a broader discussion on how how

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Speaker 1: we do education, how we deliver health care, how we

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Speaker 1: do a lot of things so that people have access

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Speaker 1: to the things they need. I don't know it's necessarily

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Speaker 1: all an issue for a criminal justice reform or in

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Speaker 1: a police reform. Uh. It's more of a conversation on

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Speaker 1: you know, I think that might be a little bit

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Speaker 1: uh uh. You know, there might be some other things

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Speaker 1: that we need to take a look at as far

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Speaker 1: as making sure that how do we prevent people from

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Speaker 1: one one, and what the issue is for that if

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Speaker 1: it happens to be, you know, a mental health issue

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Speaker 1: or something like that. All right, Congressman Fred Keller, Republican

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Speaker 1: for Pennsylvania's Wealth Congressional District, thank you for coming on

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Speaker 1: the program. Much more coming up next, we're checking with

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Speaker 1: Sean Duffy. I'm Kevin's really you're listening Bloomberg. This is

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Surrele on Bloomberg and one

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Speaker 1: oh five point seven f M h D two. I'm

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Speaker 1: Chevin Sireli, chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. And joining us on the line is someone

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Speaker 1: I used to chase around Congress try to get a

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Speaker 1: quote on financial services all the time. Sean Duffy, former U. S.

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Speaker 1: Congressman from Wisconsin. Uh. And he I believe is now

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Speaker 1: at the BGR Group. Correct, Sean, Sean, do we have Sean.

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Speaker 1: I'm here, you're here, You're there, Sean for her Conress

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Speaker 1: been Sean Duffy's on the line. He's someone I used

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Speaker 1: to chase around Congress always on the Financial Services Committee.

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Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to welcome him to the program. You're at

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Speaker 1: the b GR group, right, I am. I gotta say, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: you finally caught me. I know, well, thanks for making time.

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Speaker 1: But let's talk about the economy, because I think it's

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Speaker 1: really interesting, especially as you know you know this. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about potentially reopening. But it's different, you know,

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Speaker 1: second wave. There's so much confusion, rightfully, so amongst so

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Speaker 1: many people now sean all over the country. So what

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out is how do we just

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Speaker 1: calm this whole situation down and get back to some

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Speaker 1: type of economic normalcy. Yeah. I think it's a good,

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Speaker 1: really good question. So for me, I come from central

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin and we really didn't have any cases, Kevin, as

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Speaker 1: we had probably in a in a fifteen county area

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Speaker 1: in central northern Wisconsin, there were nineteen COVID cases. You know,

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Speaker 1: one elderly gentleman who had been in the nursing home

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Speaker 1: had died. And so I think we have to be

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Speaker 1: able to look at this, whether it's region by region

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Speaker 1: or even county by county. And you can't shut down

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Speaker 1: a whole country if you have a spike in cases.

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Speaker 1: I think the American people and in those in business

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Speaker 1: are all willing to shut things down to to help

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Speaker 1: UH stem the growth of the virus. But when you

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Speaker 1: don't have cases, you gotta let people get back to work.

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Speaker 1: And I think right now, as we start to understand

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Speaker 1: the virus, as we start to understand who is most

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Speaker 1: impacted by the virus, and again those are elderly and

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Speaker 1: those you know with some um pre existing conditions, we

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Speaker 1: can open back up and we can get back to work.

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Speaker 1: But I'm telling you in in America, we have small businesses.

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Speaker 1: They can't survive these whether it's a month or two

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Speaker 1: months or three months of a shutdown, they won't be

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Speaker 1: there when the economy opens up again. And that's where

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Speaker 1: a lot of Americans are employed in the center part

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Speaker 1: of the country is in in small businesses. So we've

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Speaker 1: been really smart about how we navigate the virus, but

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Speaker 1: also how we navigate the economy. And I think we

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Speaker 1: can come back um and see some pretty explosive growth

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Speaker 1: UM as we as we also navigate the virus. On

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Speaker 1: the line, he's a former congressman and now he's Senior

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Speaker 1: Council the b g R Group. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: it's it's really interesting and we have conversations about this.

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Speaker 1: I was talking about it with Tom Keane on Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: Surveillance earlier, uh, for the past couple of days, really,

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Speaker 1: which is the reality outside of people's windows all around

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Speaker 1: the country is so different from one another. You just

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Speaker 1: mentioned there's a be a handful of people where you

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Speaker 1: are that have had had fortunately that have had the

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Speaker 1: experience UM with the COVID nineteen. But in cities it's

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Speaker 1: a much different, much different landscape. We had a lawmaker

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Speaker 1: on from Pennsylvania earlier, Sean, And you know, I think

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Speaker 1: Republicans do you let me ask you, do you think

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Speaker 1: Republicans have struggled in terms of communicating that nuance by

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Speaker 1: saying just reopen, reopen, reopened. It's they're not necessary. Are

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Speaker 1: they saying that if they're in a city where there's

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Speaker 1: a there's a hot spot, or are they saying if

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Speaker 1: there isn't a hot Do you know what at this

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Speaker 1: tension as a radio host, I should articulate this better,

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Speaker 1: but you get what I'm getting it. I think you're

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Speaker 1: absolutely right. And I think if you look at Republicans

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Speaker 1: um that represent areas, whether it is a hot spot

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Speaker 1: in in a city or a suburb. I think they're

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Speaker 1: all about saying, let's you know, let's uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: let's start to close things down, and tho those people

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Speaker 1: who don't have it UM in there areas are the

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Speaker 1: ones who say, let's open back up again. And I

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Speaker 1: think we can walk into GUM at the same time.

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Speaker 1: You know what else, I have faith in the American people.

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Speaker 1: I have faith in in in business owners and their

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Speaker 1: employees to come together and say, you know, can we

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Speaker 1: can we open back up? Can we make sure that

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Speaker 1: we're not going out into large groups and you know

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Speaker 1: we're having contact, you know, in our in our company

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Speaker 1: and our manufacturing facility, just with our families and those

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Speaker 1: but make sure we can get back, you know, on

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Speaker 1: the manufacturing line and get back to work and making product.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's really important. I and I trust

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Speaker 1: that the employers and employees many times you can figure

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Speaker 1: that out for themselves about what what works for them

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Speaker 1: and how they can kind of curtail their behavior to

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Speaker 1: make sure they're not exposing each other to risk UM.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes I think we have a heavy heavy hand

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Speaker 1: of government. UM kind of bearing down on us. In Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: Our governor had us shut down, as you might remember,

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Speaker 1: for two months, and our Supreme Court stepped in and

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Speaker 1: and allowed us to open back up in our state.

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Speaker 1: And we really haven't seen a spot. And if I

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Speaker 1: just didn't make sense. And I think that's what's so

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Speaker 1: frustrated so many American, so many American people. All right, So,

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Speaker 1: and you see the polls. We all see the polls.

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Speaker 1: You know, in turn, what I'm really interested in is

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Speaker 1: independent voters, and they want some type of return to normalcy.

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Speaker 1: They just think it's been out of control for the

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Speaker 1: incredibly quickly in favor of it. Do you think there's

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Speaker 1: an appetite amongst Republicans Shawn Duffy for there to be meaningful,

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Speaker 1: of George Floyd. Yeah, listen, I think I think anyone

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Speaker 1: who saw that George Floyd video was horrified by what

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Speaker 1: So we have to look at I agree, serious reform,

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Speaker 1: but that's not what Democrats are talking about. They really are.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're truly talking about defunding police departments. And

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Speaker 1: I think if you look to women in suburban women

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Speaker 1: voters who are going to be critical in this next

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Speaker 1: election in places like Michigan and Pennsylvania, in North Carolina

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Speaker 1: and in Florida, those with those women voters, um, they

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Speaker 1: might not like every you know, presidential tweet, they might

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Speaker 1: not like every they might not want every press conference,

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Speaker 1: but they do want security. They do want to make

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Speaker 1: sure that if something goes wrong in their home, if

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Speaker 1: someone's outside their house, they want to build a call

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Speaker 1: nine one one and have someone respond. And I think

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Speaker 1: Democrats have gone way too far on the defund the

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Speaker 1: police effort, whereas there are more common sense to say,

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Speaker 1: I believe tomorrow and Wednesday. How do you think this

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Speaker 1: as we kind of go through that process, whether there's

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Speaker 1: additional tarrofts or prolonged Caribs. But in the end, you

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Speaker 1: do have to look out to the American worker. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, if we lose Kevin because someone is

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Speaker 1: I think most you know, most of us who are

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Speaker 1: But when they beat us because they're cheating us, that's

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Speaker 1: you're gonna see a an American coalescens around the idea

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Speaker 1: there's not going to be. Um, we're not gonna have

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Speaker 1: the option anymore. We're gonna be a second class nation

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Speaker 1: got literally thirty seconds. Favorite part of being out of

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Speaker 1: Congress I have more time with my kids, Kevin. I

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Speaker 1: I'm at home a lot more, and I love serving

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Speaker 1: in the Congress. It is a great institution with great people.

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Speaker 1: Um is no matter what the news media says, you

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Speaker 1: work together a lot, do we like each other, but

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Speaker 1: senior family is important, very important. I'm going to see

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Speaker 1: my family this weekend back in Congress. Former Congressman shawn's Uppy,

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Speaker 1: now a senior council at DPG arter. Thank you very

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Speaker 1: much for your time, much more continuing coverage of policy

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Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Seilli, chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and

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