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Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew on 11 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. The US expands training for the Ukrainian military, 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: has Russia warrens against sending Patriot missiles into the war zone. 13 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to the fastest hour in politics, with some big 14 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: decisions to be made here in Washington on funding the 15 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: war effort. As winter sets in, We'll talk ahead with 16 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: Kurt Volker, former US Ambassador to NATO. As President Biden 17 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: considers his next move, the White House again making free 18 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: COVID tests available to me to rise in new COVID cases, 19 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: just as Florida's Governor Rohnda Santis creates his own panel 20 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: of experts to push back on the c d C. 21 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: We'll talk about it with Dr J. Varma, architect of 22 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: New York City's COVID response program, analysis from our signature panel. 23 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: They're both with US Bloomberg Politics contributors Rick Davis and 24 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 1: Jeanie Schanzano. On this day, Donald Trump announces a new 25 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: line of n f T s that's real. And we 26 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: begin today with the war in Ukraine and news from 27 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: the Pentagon announcing a significant expansion of training for Ukrainian forces. 28 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: They do this training in Germany. Pentagon spokes on Brigadier 29 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: General pat Ryder spoke about it today with reporters. This 30 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: program has expanded training will provide training to approximately five 31 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: hundred Ukrainians per month. It's essentially focused at battalion level, 32 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: and so as we move forward, we will stay flexible 33 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: and adaptable based on the needs of our Ukrainian partners 34 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: and the evolving situation in Ukraine. A lot of questions 35 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: this is important about the involvement of US forces. It 36 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: was in fact General Rider who told us just a 37 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: few weeks back that American boots were on the ground 38 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: in Ukraine. They're not. They're pushing the front lines, but 39 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: they've been training, inspecting weapons systems and training Ukrainians on 40 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: how to use them, observing them in the field, trying 41 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: to be there to help when necessary. This ups the 42 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: ANTI here with not only much more training, a much 43 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: faster clip, but now at battalion level, as General Writer explains, 44 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: will include joint maneuver and combined arms operations training. So 45 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: that starts now. Just for a little perspective, we're gonna 46 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: do five a month, he said. The US is so 47 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: far trained about three thousand Ukrainian troops, so this is 48 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: stepping up a lot. Still no where though on the 49 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: Patriot missiles to help defend against rush and missile attacks 50 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: right close the skies. President Biden will make the final 51 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: call on this, but it's been remarkable to hear the 52 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: evolution of messaging from the Pentagon on this. This is 53 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: General pat Rider on November when asked about the Patriot missiles. 54 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: Right now, we have no plans to provide Patriot batteries 55 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: to Ukraine. But again we'll continue to have those discussions 56 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: and when and if there's something to announce on that front, 57 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 1: we will, Okay, fast forward to today. In fact, I 58 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: think that briefing is still going. General pat Rider, responding 59 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: to Russia's comments now that providing the Patriot missiles would 60 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: be a provocation, I would just say that I find 61 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: it ironic and very telling, uh that officials from a 62 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: country that brutally attacked its neighbor and an illegal and 63 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: unprovoked invasion through a campaign that is deliberately targeting and 64 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: killing innocent civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure, that they would 65 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: choose to use words like provocative to describe defensive systems 66 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: that are meant to save and protect civilians. Ironic remembering 67 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: that President Biden also now must consider his next move 68 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: on funding by way of the Annual National Defense Authorization. 69 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: We've discussed this, remembering he had concerns with the COVID 70 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: vaccine mandate for US troops. This is where Kurt Vulker 71 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: comes in, former U S Special Representative for Ukraine negotiations, 72 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: former US Ambassador to NATO and always kind to join 73 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: us here on sound On for some perspective, Mr Ambassador, 74 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: welcome back. Why not sending those Patriot missile systems now? Absolutely? 75 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: I think they are doing it now, It'll take time. 76 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: Now that the decision has been made, it will take 77 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: them a little bit to get there, but I think 78 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: the intent is to provide them Now. The question is 79 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: why we didn't do this three or four months ago 80 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: when we knew that Russia was going to be targeting 81 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: civilian populations just the way they are now. This expanded 82 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: training program as well, I'm assuming all of this ties in. 83 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: We're gonna start training five d Ukrainian troops per month, 84 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: a much more pronounced program than what we've had here. 85 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,679 Speaker 1: And I realized they're going into Germany, but we already 86 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: have US forces, uh you know, on the ground, specialists 87 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: and consultants on the ground in Ukraine to deal with 88 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: the weapons systems were providing. Are we starting to walk 89 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: a fine line here between proxy war and real war 90 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: or is this more of the same. I think that 91 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: the framework, yeah, I think the framework here is still 92 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: that the Ukrainians are defending themselves against a brutal aggression, 93 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: and anything we can do to help them be able 94 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: to do that better, we should do. Others have been 95 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: training the Ukrainians for some time. The British have been 96 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: doing it in larger numbers for a longer period. Already 97 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: five thousand at a time and a couple of months 98 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: of training in the UK. The Polls and the Lithuanians 99 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: have also been doing some training. So I think it's 100 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: it's great that we are now ramping up our effort 101 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: to do that as well. This is all to protect 102 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,679 Speaker 1: the civilian population. As this book's person from the Pentagon said, 103 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: they need all of this help we can give them 104 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: right now because of what Russia is doing. Just to 105 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: be clear on the patriot missile issue, you know, there 106 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: have been reports that the US is finalizing plans to 107 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: send them. We just haven't seen a real official announcement 108 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: on this. UH and in Russia now expecting it to happen. 109 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: Ambassador is warning of consequences if in fact that happens. 110 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: They say they will target those weapons systems. How do 111 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: you react to that? Is that just what you would expect? Yeah, 112 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: good luck to the Russians trying to targets them. Um. 113 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: The Russians are drawing everything they have at this war 114 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: and they're losing. Um. They don't have precision guide admonitions, 115 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: not many of them. They're not hitting the targets. Yesterday 116 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 1: they sent all thirteen bones trying to hit the sites 117 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: and key they all got shot down. So the Russians 118 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: are saying these things like, oh, this is a provocation 119 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: or oh will attack these systems in order to try 120 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: to deter us, and we shouldn't be psyched out by 121 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 1: that kind of rhetoric from Russia. We should understand that 122 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: first off, their behavior is completely unacceptable and the one 123 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: actually a war crime. Secondly, they can't do much more 124 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: than they're already doing. Thirdly, it is completely justified to 125 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: help the Ukrainians defend themselves. A patriot battery, I understand, 126 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: requires up to ninety troops to operate it and to 127 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: maintain it, which is partly why we didn't want to 128 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: go down this road to begin with. Can Ukraine handle 129 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: that on its own? Ukrainians are very competent and very sophisticated. 130 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: They'll get trained up very quickly. They operate other Mussile's 131 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: defense and air defense systems, so it's a matter of 132 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: learning this one and converting to it. Uh, they're certainly 133 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: going to be capable of doing that again if it 134 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: takes that. If it's that difficult, we could have been 135 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: training them a lot sooner, and no reason to wait 136 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: until now. But that being said, UH, the system will 137 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: add to the layering of the air defenses. Where Ukraine 138 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: we've already provided short range and medium range air defense systems, 139 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: Patriot is now a longer range, precision guided system and 140 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: this will help them interdicting more of the missiles that 141 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: are being fired at them. We are having this conversation, 142 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: Ambassador as lawmakers, specifically senators to debate the Defense spending authorization. 143 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: This is live sound of Senator Dan Sullivan on the 144 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: floor right now making his case. Here. The Senate could 145 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: clear UH this as soon as today and send it 146 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: to the President for his signature. Does it allow enough 147 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: for Ukraine and for us to replenish our own arsenal Well, 148 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,239 Speaker 1: there's a supplemental amount for Ukraine which is about thirty 149 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: eight billion dollars. That's going to be enough for the 150 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: next six months or so. UH. And in the meantime, 151 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: we also need to be pussing up our defense budget 152 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: and replenishing some of our own stocks. And this is 153 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: good for the military to get fresh equipment, and it's 154 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: good for the defense industry to have a commitment to 155 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 1: opening supply lines and keeping them open because of guaranteed 156 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 1: procurement from the government. So I think that we need 157 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: to puss up the U S side of it. Well, 158 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: I mean hating that level about for Ukraine, that'll be 159 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: enough to work. You said about halfway through next year. 160 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: What happens then, knowing that there is some opposition on 161 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: Capitol Hill growing opposition to spending more, Well, yes, there 162 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 1: are there are some outspoken people on the far right 163 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: and on the far left. I don't think that we 164 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: should be spending this amount of money, and they they 165 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: see us as getting too involved and they want to 166 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: see more accountability, which is fair that there should be accountability. 167 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: But you have a majority in both parties and a 168 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: majority in both houses of Congress that are strongly in 169 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: support of helping Ukrainians and strongly in support of pushing 170 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: back on Russia's aggression. And if you think about it 171 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: this way, I mean, the amount we're spending on Ukraine's 172 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: defense is degrading the Russian threat far more effectively and 173 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: with far less risked the United States than anything we 174 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: could have ever done ourselves. Are you on to have 175 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: in this conversation a year from now, Ambassador, I don't 176 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: know that we will be. I think that Russia is 177 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: at a point now where they have ambitions to seize 178 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: and take this territory and claim it to be part 179 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: of Russia. Putin is not going to give up on that, 180 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 1: and yet their means to execute that are being eroded 181 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: very very rapidly, both economically and militarily. So I think 182 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: something is going to snap inside Russia next year where 183 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: the elites and Russia intelligence services, the military you see 184 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: that is destroying the country and may in fact do 185 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: something about it. Boy, I hope that's true. We'd love 186 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: to stay in touch with you as we figured this out. 187 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: Kurt Volker, former US Special Representative for Ukraine negotiations, He's 188 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: been there and he knows. And former US Ambassador to NATO, 189 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: which boy, has had quite a year here with this conflict. 190 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: As far as what's happening on Capitol Hill, the Senate 191 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer says, let's get it. Both sides will keep 192 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: working on an agreement to pass the National Defense Authorization, 193 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: hopefully today, trying to do it as soon as today. 194 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: The n d a A has been a consistent bipartisan 195 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: effort for every year more than six decades. We do 196 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: not expect this year to be any different. Okay, we'll 197 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: find out about that as we assemble our panel. Rick 198 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: Davis and Jeanie Schanzano are here Bloomberg Politics contributors. Rick, 199 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: they expect to get this done here. It looks like 200 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: we had a deal already in place. Of course, is 201 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: the President gonna sign it? Oh? Sure, I mean this 202 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: will be an important uh signature for him. He'll support um, um, 203 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: what they're trying to accomplish. Um. You know inside the bill, 204 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: it's been very well negotiated with Congress in the Defense 205 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: Department and nationalist caurity agencies. So um, you know they'll 206 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: want to they'll want to wrap this up and go 207 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: about the business of executing the strategy that's embedded in 208 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: the NBA. This was the point here to get this done, Genie, 209 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: instead of a cr and you know, handcuff the the 210 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: pentagon essentially when it comes to making decisions. But as 211 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: the the ambassador pointed out, this gets us halfway through 212 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: next year. Where are we going to be in the 213 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: debate over funding at that point? Yeah, I mean it's 214 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: not ideal, but you know, it's better than than some 215 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: other things are looking and you know it's gonna be 216 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 1: a fight. Um, you know, all of next year, in 217 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: the next two years are going to be a fight. 218 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: And we've seen this as it pertains to funding on Ukraine. 219 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: There is widespread bipartisan support. It will pass in this 220 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: n d a A. It is much needed. But the 221 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: reality is as as you know, as Vulcar just mentioned, 222 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: from both the left and the right, you are hearing 223 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: persistent calls. They are talking about accountability. That is something 224 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: they have a right to ask for. But the longer 225 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: this thing drags out, the harder it is going to be. 226 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 1: And particularly if we see inflation rise in this country 227 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: or we go deep into a recession, then calls that 228 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: we are sending money overseas at this rate and in 229 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: this amount, those are going to mount and that's going 230 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: to be hard for both the left and the right 231 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: to really swallow. And we've heard that from a variety 232 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: of of of sectors already and it's going to pick 233 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: up next year. What do you both think about this 234 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: expanded training program. We're talking about a lot of people here. 235 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: This is five hundred Ukrainian forces month. We have to 236 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: get out of Ukraine into Germany back into Ukraine with 237 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: their newfound skills. That of course threatened the Russian military's 238 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:12,599 Speaker 1: are these are these maneuvers, the training and and the transportation, 239 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: the transfer of this many troops going to become potential 240 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: target for Russia? Rick Well, I mean obviously if you 241 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: mean a potential target to attack while in Poland or 242 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: someplace else across on the border. Well, look, I mean, 243 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: if they're gonna start sending missiles to the border, UH, 244 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 1: they stand a very high likelihood of UH engaging a 245 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: NATO ally UH in this war. And that's the last 246 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: thing they want to do. I mean, could you imagine, 247 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: just think about it, Russia is employing every ounce of 248 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: its military might against one country. Could you mention if 249 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: the entire NATO community decided they've had enough, it would 250 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: be over in a week. And and so the last 251 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: thing Vladimir Putin wants is to actually bring out the ire. 252 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: He's trying to balance the attack in the Ukraine with 253 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: trying to undermine the u US and our allies and 254 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: NATO UH to get us to weaken, because he knows 255 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: that if we are strong, he cannot win this fight. 256 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 1: And that is the problem he's having right now. Yet 257 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: we're strengthening the Ukrainian military here, He's promised to go 258 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: after the Patriot missiles, and I'd like to hear from 259 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: both of you on this as well, Jeannie, if he 260 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: starts targeting those missile batteries that I'm assuming they would 261 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: be positions throughout the country and even in places like Kiev, 262 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: does that defeat the purpose? Well? Yeah, but it's going 263 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: to be harder for them. I mean, this is why 264 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: they are responding so strongly to this, is this puts 265 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: them in a weaker position. They won't be able to 266 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: attack from the sanctuary they've been able to attack so far. 267 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: They're gonna have to go use dumb rockets and they're 268 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: gonna have to get close to the Ukrainians and when 269 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: they do that, they have an increased chance of being 270 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: hit back, and that's exactly what they don't want. But 271 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: as the ambassador asked, the question is on both the 272 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: troops and the Patriot missiles, why now and why did 273 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: we wait so long? And also, as you were just 274 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: talking to Rick about what does this do in terms 275 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: of a nature of a proxy warrant? At what point 276 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: do we get dragged into this thing even further? Hopefully not, 277 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: but if at all, And that's a big question that 278 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: NATO has got to think about Well, that's I guess 279 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: why they haven't been sent yet, Rick, although you could 280 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: certainly have made the case to send them of what 281 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: ten months ago, when when? When when Vladimir Zolinsky was 282 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: was begging for help to close the skies. Now these 283 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: cities have been leveled. Now the patriot missiles show up, 284 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: do they make a difference. They make a big difference. 285 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: I mean, the whole point about drawing the fire from 286 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: the Russians is that's what patriot missiles do. They knock 287 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: those rockets out of the sky. They create a control 288 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: over the sky. So if the Russians want to use 289 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: up all their missiles attacking patriots that are just going 290 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: to knock them out of the sky, uh you know, 291 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: then then that's a great way to do it. Because 292 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: they've had unfettered access to all the energy facilities and 293 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: infrastructure in the country and they put them on the 294 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: heels because of a very cold winner. These these Ukrainians 295 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: are going to suffer. So what But the real key 296 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: question is why isn't a patriot missile system already employed? 297 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: We sent them to Saudi Arabia, for heaven's sakes, We've 298 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: sent them to Iraq. There are patriot missiles in Poland. 299 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: I mean like this is a key element of creating 300 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: a a you know, UH security surface around the air 301 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: in UH in Ukraine. And and we could have done 302 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: this first, not last. I have to admit, Genie, I 303 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: wonder if they're already on the way. Yeah, I mean 304 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: you have to wonder that. And with all the reporting 305 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: and of course Russia responding to the reporting, and we 306 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: still don't know if, when and how, you know. But again, 307 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: why this has taken so long is an enormous question, 308 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: and I don't feel like we're gonna get an answer 309 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: to it anytime soon. But we should a lot more 310 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: on funding the government here, as Chuck Schumer says, no 311 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: drama please. You know we are set to run out 312 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: of money tomorrow. Are they gonna make this deadline? Get 313 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: under the bigger picture? It looks like it will have 314 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: the latest. Next with the panel, Rick Davis and g. D. 315 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: Chanzano on the Fastest Hour in Politics, It's Sound On. 316 00:16:54,760 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: I'm Joe Matthew and this he's Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. 317 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Working against 318 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: the clock on Capitol Hill, knowing that the government runs 319 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: out of funding. It runs out of money tomorrow tonight. 320 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: No one is threatening a shutdown, but that doesn't mean 321 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: that things can happen when you walk right up to 322 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: the line, because they've gotta pass this one week extension, 323 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: as we've discussed, so they can by themselves time for 324 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: the Greater Omnibus. And so the warning has gone out. 325 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: Two members in the House, Denny Hoyer just made it 326 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: clear a couple of moments ago, the Majority Leader, Yeah, 327 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: it could be if you don't get this done a 328 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: working Christmas. We all understand, Uh. Christmas is Sunday, Uh, 329 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: and none of us want to be here, but all 330 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 1: of us have a responsibility obviously to complete the business 331 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: of funding the government of the United States of America. 332 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: So we will be here, Okay, unless, of course, the 333 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: Senate gets it's worked on a little early. Then we 334 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: won't be here on Christmas having this silly conversation. They 335 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: just put out the House schedule for next week. They're 336 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: planning for a couple of days the middle of the week. 337 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: Would help a lot. Senator Chuck Schumer, if you guys 338 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: could get your thing done, we should have no drama, 339 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: no gridlock, and no delay on passing a week long CR. 340 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: Just remember, those who demand something happen and risk shutting 341 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: down the government almost always lose. Let me say that again. 342 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: No drama, no gridlock, no delay. That's the recipe right 343 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: now for avoiding a shutdown within the next forty eight hours. 344 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: No drama, Obama. Actually, that's when they really worth threatening 345 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: to shutdown. We reassemble our panel. Rick Davis, boy, he's 346 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: been there. Jeanie Chanzano she's with us now, Bloomberg Politics contributors. 347 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: It's just all a bunch of bluster here w record. 348 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: Is there a chance that the clock strikes twelve tomorrow 349 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 1: night and government starts to shut down on Monday? Now? 350 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: I think they'll they'll execute the CR. I think the 351 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: Senate will do its business. The fact that the House 352 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: has gotten it done uh in in a style which 353 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: only the House can do. You know, they needed nine 354 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: Republicans to come over to pass CR. It's just amazing, 355 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: seven of which aren't coming back to Congress. Just shows 356 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: you how dysfunctional everything is right now. But but the 357 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: bottom line is that the Senate is gonna drop a 358 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 1: beat on this. They'll they'll get that thing out, even 359 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 1: if it's you know, one minute before midnight tonight. They've 360 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: got to get as we've discussed uh this uh, this 361 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: National Defense Acts past as well, that's going to be 362 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: issued number one. Here in the Senate, they're working through 363 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: a bunch of amendments. It's interesting, Genie. One of them 364 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: from Senator Ron Johnson, of course, the Republican from Wisconsin 365 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: was just re elected. Uh, that would reinstate his his 366 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: measure would reinstate members of the military fired discharged for 367 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: refusing COVID vaccines. Remembering that the underlying Defense Bill rescinds 368 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: the mandate for the military, however, did not go so 369 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,719 Speaker 1: far as to reinstate those service members. I'm assuming that 370 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: goes nowhere. Yeah, you would hope so, and especially since 371 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: the military has said, you know that this can impact readiness. Um, 372 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: but you know, at this point, it's hard to tell. 373 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: And let's remember what we're talking about for this first vote. 374 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: We're talking about a c R. We are not talking 375 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: about funding the governments for any sustained period of time. 376 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: That's that's it's a week. This is the battle right now. 377 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: A week and anyone senator can slow this thing down. 378 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 1: I think they get it done. But you know, this 379 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: is this is where we are at this point. You've 380 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: got the n D A and then you've got a 381 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: real funding bill that you've got to get through. At 382 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: what we're hearing is one point seven trillion dollars and 383 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: that's going to be what five thousand maybe more pages. 384 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: We don't know. We don't know the details, and we're 385 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: expecting members to just gather and push this thing through. 386 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi can only lose two Democrats and they need 387 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: sixty to kill the filibuster, so, you know, and that's 388 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: after we get through the cr So we're holding our 389 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: breath for a week long. You know, extension at this 390 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: next week is going to be a blast. Can I 391 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: just talk this mandate stuff out with you for a second, Rick, 392 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: because again, the underlying bill rescinds the COVID vaccine mandate 393 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: for members of the military. That was a very controversial item. 394 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: It stayed in So why not reinstate those who were 395 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 1: discharged for not taking it? Is Is it a different 396 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: conversation when it comes to refusing orders? Well yeah, um, 397 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 1: this was part of the rules of the road at 398 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: the time. And remember uh there was a lot more 399 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: risk at the time. We had out of control pandemic 400 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: when this rule went into effect. So the last thing 401 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: you want to do is look back and say, Okay, 402 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: these people violated the chain uh command and and refused 403 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: and they knew what they were getting into when they 404 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: did it, and and they're out. Um. I don't think 405 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: you want to uh legislate uh discipline within the military. 406 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 1: And I think this is always the the ying and 407 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: the yang when dealing with the military. It's a culture 408 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: that requires discipline up and down the command uh system, 409 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: And and the Congress gets in here and medals with that, 410 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: and and sometimes it creates a counter and counter incentive 411 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: for people to want to be in the military. They 412 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 1: like clarity, and they like rules, and in this case, 413 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: that was the rule of the road. UH. If they 414 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: want to change that rule, UH, you don't do it retrospectively. 415 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: You do it for the future. And that's the way 416 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: it looks like it's it's going to be here, Genie. 417 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: That Defense Bill is going to be passed. Eventually, the 418 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 1: mandate is going to go away. But you're gonna hear 419 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: a lot of people complaining about serving their country and 420 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: being fired for going along with what became the rule. 421 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 1: They still disobeyed orders, however at the time they did. 422 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: And it's about we understand about eight thousand discharged or 423 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: refusing to get a vaccination. And I couldn't agree more 424 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: with what Rick is saying, because the reality is that 425 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: was the rule at the time, whether you believe it 426 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: was fair or not, that they were required to take it. 427 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: What we also understand is about of of people in 428 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: the middle of Harry military personnel had at least one 429 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: COVID shot. Eight thousand were discharged for refusing orders to 430 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: get a vaccination. For the Congress with Ron Johnson and 431 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz and others to push through an amended that 432 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: the reinstatesman reinstates them rather is to undermine the leadership 433 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: and authority of the military chain of command. And that's why, 434 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's in my mind unimaginable it passes, 435 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: but at this point, you know, at this point, it's 436 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: almost and anything goes. And you know, I guess if 437 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: they can push hard enough, maybe they can squeak that through. 438 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: But let's hope not. Yeah, Well we'll see obviously, and 439 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: let you know what happens with it. I wonder what 440 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: this whole debate before we turn to the matter of COVID, 441 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about that coming up here 442 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: by the way, COVID funding, COVID preparation for winter, and 443 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: UH and and and one governor who sees things very differently. 444 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: But Rick, what does this budget debate tell us, Assuming 445 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: that we're not going to shut down, We're going to 446 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: get the cr and then the Omnibus will pass next week, 447 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: everyone goes home for the holidays, is in a good mood? 448 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: What does this tell us about the debate next year? 449 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna have to start the budget debate all over 450 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: again with a republic Blican House and a Democratic Senate 451 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: that don't want to get along. We will. Well, the 452 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 1: first thing I would say is it really does indicate 453 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: that Congress has become a money printing machine. There was 454 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: really no efforts whatsoever to do anything that would sort 455 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: of look at programs and and take things out of 456 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: the budget in order to cut back on federal spending. Right. 457 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: It was basically how big can we make this, you know, 458 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: within the reason of the budget. And so Kevin McCarthy 459 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: would say, hey, we weren't consulted that was a Democrat 460 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: dream run wild. Well, you know, look, all the budgets 461 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,719 Speaker 1: in the last six years have been this way right. 462 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: All the Trump budgets were record breaking, uh and only 463 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: to be beat by the two budgets that uh that 464 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: Joe Biden has written. So it's not changing. The reality is. 465 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: I do think though, next year Republicans in the House 466 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: are going to make a stink about government spending. I 467 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 1: think they will look at opportunities to find things to 468 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,479 Speaker 1: try and get out of the federal government spending racket. 469 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 1: And and that may come in the fact that they, 470 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: if they're smart, they will start doing um uh these 471 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: budget bills for each of these independent agencies and government agencies, 472 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: because that's how you do it. That's when you start 473 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,719 Speaker 1: that process of the authorization twelve different agencies of government, 474 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 1: all working through their committees, you can start peeling back 475 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: all that excess spending. Uh. And I do think with 476 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: a looming recession and increasing efforts on trying to prop 477 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: up the US economy, this focus on deficit spending is 478 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: going to become a real issue for these budgets next year. 479 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: This is going to include a conversation about entitlement spending Genie. 480 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: I think it absolutely will and we will see that 481 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: pushed in the House. And I'll tell you what else 482 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: it tells us is that our congressional appropriation system is 483 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: completely broken. What we've had a budget on time four 484 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: times in the last forty plus years. That is unthinkable 485 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,719 Speaker 1: when you contemplate that. And the other thing is that 486 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: the process is beholden to minorities who can have this 487 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: outsized voice. And the people who are doing the most 488 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 1: work in Congress are the people who are retiring. If 489 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: you are staying in Congress, you simply can't afford politically 490 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: to stand up and face you know, face the music, 491 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: so to speak, and try to do something you know 492 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: so crazy, like get a budget passed on time, or 493 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: you're gonna feel the wrath of somebody like Kevin McCarthy, 494 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: who's going after Senator Shelby right now. So you know, 495 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: this is where we are at this point with Congress. 496 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: And we wonder why the American public is so fed 497 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: up with what is going on in Washington. This is 498 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: exactly why September thirty this should have been done. They 499 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: will jam this through at the last minute. We hope 500 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: they jam it through. And that's the best we can 501 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: expect in the next couple of weeks. Well, you see 502 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 1: that potentially coming to an end next year? Does that 503 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: would would spending cuts come along with tax cuts? Rick? Uh, Well, 504 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: you know, I think spending cuts will be the first 505 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: thing that they look at, right, because getting a tax 506 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: cut is going to be much more difficult and less 507 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 1: politically salient. Right, Oh, we're gonna do tax cuts in 508 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: the middle of a session or a near recession. But 509 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: certainly people voters endorse the idea of a smaller and 510 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: and and less bloated federal government. And and at the 511 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: end of the day, pointing out pork and pointing out 512 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: excess spending is actually not a bad thing for any 513 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: Republican or Democrat. Are like, I mean, you know, we 514 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: used to print a pork book and we had this 515 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: funny pig pulling a wheelbell or full of cash, and 516 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: John McCain would make a lot of hay about it. 517 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: And it's exactly what American public thinks you should do. 518 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: And that's why you got coverage every year on that. 519 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: It was. It was great radio, great TV. Rick and 520 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: Genie will stay right where they are. We're going to 521 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: advance the conversation to funding for COVID. Now, remember that 522 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: didn't happen. The White House wanted over fifty million dollars, 523 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:50,959 Speaker 1: right billion. I can't even remember the number anymore, vaccines, tests, 524 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: the whole bit. None of it got passed. I think 525 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: it was fifty two billion if I remember correctly. And 526 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: so they had to put the free tests on hold. 527 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: Will they're going back out now because cases are on 528 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 1: the rise, and we'll talk about that coming up with 529 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: the architect of New York City's pandemic response program, Dr 530 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: Ja Varmah. You're listening to Bloomberg. You sound on with 531 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. So it was twenty two 532 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 1: point five billion dollars. That was the original funding request 533 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: for COVID response from the White House. Twenty two billion. 534 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: I was many billions of dollars off, you know, sometimes 535 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: these numbers start rattling around in your head. Then it 536 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: got cut by more than half ten billion when Mitt 537 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: Romney made a deal they brought it back around. Remember 538 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: this was several months ago. It was warm out, we 539 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: were not surging, and the White House was warning, hey, 540 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna need this stuff. We gonna run out of 541 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: vaccines is gonna run out of tests, and because it 542 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: never got past, there was never a dollar of that past. 543 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: They stopped that program to give people free home COVID tests. 544 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: That program, as you've been hearing today on Boomberg, is 545 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: back on. We're seeing COVID rising across the country this winter, 546 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: and while COVID isn't the disruptive force it once was, 547 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: we are focused on ensuring that the US has prepared 548 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: for this winter no matter what the virus throws at us. 549 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: So you get it, so you can get four tests 550 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: that are pop send away those ship into your house. 551 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: That's Dr Ashisha, who runs the COVID response program at 552 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: the White House. He was in the briefing room today 553 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: with the Press Secretary and says, you know, we had 554 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: to make accommodations for these tests. We're operating in a 555 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: resource constrained environment in the absence of additional congressional funding 556 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: for the nation's COVID response, and that means we've had 557 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,959 Speaker 1: to make some tough choices. Like in the summer, we 558 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: were forced to suspend the COVID test dot gov program 559 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: so we could preserve our tests. Why did we want 560 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: to preserve our tests because we knew there would be 561 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: a moment later in the year when COVID cases would 562 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: rise again, and so we turned to Dr Ja Varma 563 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: for help on this, the chief Medical Advisor and Croll 564 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: Institute fellow. He is the architect. This is why we 565 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: reach out to Dr Varma at times like these, the 566 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: architect of New York City's COVID pandemic response. This is 567 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: under the to Blacio administration, engineering what was the largest diagnostic, 568 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: testing and contact tracing program in the country. And so, doctor, 569 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: it's great to have you back. How concerned are you 570 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: about winter and the White House falling short? She Shaw 571 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: made the point today that after this this round of tests, 572 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: we don't have more in storage. That's going to be all. 573 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: You know, this is a really tricky situation, you know. 574 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,959 Speaker 1: On the on the one hand, it's clear that healthcare 575 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: systems around the country can sort of muddle their way 576 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: through these current surges. Um, but of course that's not 577 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: what we want for our healthcare system, right. We want 578 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: people to get the best possible care. And and I 579 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: say muddle their were through because healthcare workers are getting 580 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: sick and overwhelmed, patients are getting people are getting sick 581 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: and surging to emergency department. So the more you know 582 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: government does to kind of reduce infections by giving people 583 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: the tools UM like masks like tests to help prevent infections, 584 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: the better off we are. So I think every little 585 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,239 Speaker 1: bit helps UM, even though the impact is probably going 586 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: to be relatively small overall. There's been a lot of 587 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: talk about China, of course, dealing with their own issues 588 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: here in the COVID zero policy, but cases have been 589 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: surging over there and it's pretty difficult as we know, 590 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: to deal with this on a local level. This is 591 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: a global issue and our economy is being constrained by 592 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: by problems in China, and so the question comes up, dr, 593 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: why aren't we providing vaccine at least technology, if not 594 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: vaccines themselves, to China. Ashisha was asked that today, what 595 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: I would say is we stand ready to help any 596 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: country in the world with vaccines, treatments, anything else, so 597 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: we can be helpful with We have been the biggest 598 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: owner of vaccines, as I said, almost seven million doses UH, 599 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: and that that stance of being helpful, being ready to 600 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: help UH continues and hasn't changed. There's a report out 601 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: that Fiser has signed a deal to sell packs loved 602 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: in China as these cases climb doctor. Does the US 603 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: need to send vaccines there too? You know, I spent 604 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: three years working in Beijing with the China CDC, but 605 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: this was under a previous uh, you know, governing party 606 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: governing um leadership there, and at that time there was 607 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: really good exchange. I think the challenge has been, you know, 608 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: China has been unwilling to you know, use the m 609 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: R and a technology that was developed outside of China 610 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: before this, so it has relied only on its own vaccines. 611 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: And so I don't see a situation politically in which 612 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: the current Chinese administration would go out and suddenly, you know, 613 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: either take donations or purchase vaccine on the global market. 614 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: There's plenty of vaccine available to be provided, you know, 615 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: the you know, the Global COVID Vaccine for Facility has 616 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: vaccines that could be used. But it's really a question 617 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: of China is interested in it, not so much what 618 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: the U s or or the companies can provide. If 619 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: you're aware of what's going on in Florida, but I 620 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: have to ask you about it because Rhoda Santis, the 621 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: governor of Florida, has turned into a vaccine skeptic. He 622 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: was not always one. And he's pushing back not only 623 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: on Dr Anthony Faucci, which has been a target of 624 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: to Santis, but but the whole CDC, the entire official 625 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: medical community here in Washington, d c UH and and 626 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: he's he's launching his own panel. Listen to Governor de 627 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: Santis making the announcement. In Florida, we're creating what we're 628 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: calling the Public Health Integrity Committee. It's a committee of 629 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: expert researchers that will be able to assess recommendations and 630 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: guidance related to public health and healthcare, but particularly being 631 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: able to offer critical assessments of things that bureaucracy is 632 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: like the f d A C, d C, and n 633 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: i H are doing. He's been speaking about the risks 634 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: of vaccines being potentially greater than the benefit here doctor, 635 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: are we going to find that that some states are 636 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: copying or doing what Florida is doing and leaving us 637 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: essentially with a patchwork here of of of state governments 638 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,280 Speaker 1: that have an apparatus to push back on the CDC 639 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: and the federal government. You know, this is a very 640 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 1: problematic situation for a number of reasons. You know, first 641 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: of all, CDC doesn't actually have any regulatory regulatory authority 642 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: over the States. You know, what CDC issues is guidance, 643 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: So states are not under ever been under any obligation 644 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: to to do what CDC recommends um And so in fact, 645 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: what you're seeing is a is a political environment in 646 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: which they're going to actually end up ruining the credibility 647 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: of all public health expertise. You know, these aren't blunt instruments. 648 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: You know, the average person when they hear this type 649 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: of intense vaccine rhetoric doesn't say, okay, well that is 650 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: really only about covid um. All other vaccine must be safe. 651 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: We know from a long history of public health that 652 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: this is going to result in more measles cases, more 653 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: mumps cases, meningitis, and the return of polio in a 654 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: number of other diseases. So it's really perplexing to me 655 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: why a major political figure would be on the side of, 656 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,479 Speaker 1: you know, more illness and death in the United States, 657 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 1: because that's unfortunately what this is going to lead to. 658 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: It's not just about covid it's really about the entire 659 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: safety of our public health system, which relies on vaccines 660 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: as its foundation. Well, particularly when it's it's an official 661 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: who embraced vaccines, appeared with Donald Trump for an operation 662 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: warp speed event urged people to be vaccinated. This is 663 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: Rhodes Santas in May of My message is the vaccines 664 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: protect you, get vaccinated and then live your life as 665 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 1: if you're protected. Okay, fast forward to yesterday. It doesn't 666 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: prevent him from getting infected or spreading it anyways, The 667 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: benefit is minuscule. But as Joe Latipo and other studies 668 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: have shown, you know there is a risk for doing it. 669 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: So why can't our medical establishment ignoted knowledge that? Why 670 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: the deception? Dr I've only got thirty seconds. Do you 671 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: know of the risks he's talking about? Well, unfortunately, what's 672 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 1: happened is there are, like any medical intervention, there are 673 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 1: small risks that occurred the vaccine. What they've been really 674 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: touting is the risk of heart inflammation. But the risk 675 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: of heart inflammation from the virus is tend to a 676 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,240 Speaker 1: hundred times greater than it is from getting the vaccine, 677 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: and the vaccine pretects you from getting that inflammation. And 678 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: so unfortunately, this is really all about trying to take 679 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: a stance opposite the current administration which is pro vaccine 680 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: and uh without really relying on the evidence and unfortunately 681 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: leading to to other blowback which is going to be 682 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: extremely unfortunate. Doctor. Thank you, Dr Ja Varma with us 683 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: on sound on, this is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. 684 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 1: You sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Interesting 685 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: times at the r n C. Could the my pillow 686 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 1: guy actually end being the chair? Because this day is 687 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: not going great for Ronald McDaniel. As we reassembled our 688 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: panel news today at red state dot com, somebody started 689 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: leaking the bills here and boy, you know it's not 690 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: good when that happens. Numbers on how much was spent following, 691 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: of course a disappointing result in the mid term elections. 692 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: This is the r n C twenty two spending. According 693 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: to red State, it calculates more than a half million 694 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: dollars in private jet expenses, sixty four thousand dollars clothing retailers. 695 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 1: How about dollars in floral arrangements. RONA McDaniel has been 696 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: on the defensive since election night, recalling this moment on 697 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 1: Fox List, I we never used the word red wave 698 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: at the RNC because we knew the map at Trunk 699 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 1: there were less competitive seats because of redistricching, and we 700 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: picked up fourteen and everybody forgets that I never said 701 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: it would be a red wave. Rick Davis and Genie Schanzana, 702 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: we're here at Bloomberg Politics can rebuters. I mentioned the 703 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,240 Speaker 1: my pillow guy, Michael and Delrick because, as we discussed 704 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 1: once already, he is actually running. But I don't figure 705 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: he will be the next person to chair the r 706 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: n C. Maybe you can tell me otherwise, But is 707 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: there a real contender to run against Ronald McDaniel? You know, 708 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 1: there are some that are lining up. Harman Hermit Dylan, 709 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,799 Speaker 1: who was an attorney sometime attorney for Donald Trump. But 710 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: she's got the same problem. I mean, you know, one 711 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: of one of the one of the checks written by 712 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: the RNC was nine hundred thousand dollars to her law firm. 713 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: I mean, so you know, it's not likely that you 714 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: would look at her and say, wow, this is uh, 715 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: this is going to really change things at the RNC 716 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: when it comes to excess spending. I mean, look, this 717 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: is really egregious. Uh. And and what is really egregious 718 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 1: is it looks like it's really just a big spa 719 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: day for the staff. I mean, here they are supposed 720 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: to be busting their hump to try and win elections, 721 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: and all they want to do is go on these 722 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: retreats to these fancy places. I mean, I don't get it. 723 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 1: And uh and I think this is only part of 724 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 1: the scandal. I think the digger the more people dig, 725 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: the more they're gonna find out that there were sweetheart 726 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 1: deals with media and mail vendors and people were allowed 727 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 1: to go out in the earn outside incomes. I mean, 728 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: I think this has been a profligate income generating RNC 729 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 1: for their staff. And I wouldn't be surprised regardless of 730 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,280 Speaker 1: who wins, the whole lot gets thrown out on the street. Wow, 731 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: how about it? Rick Davis knows day. It's been a 732 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: heck of a time with the Salamander Resort and spaw 733 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,799 Speaker 1: in Virginia from what I've been reading. And so then 734 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: we mentioned Trump. How about the major announcement. Everybody thought 735 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 1: the big tweet was coming today, the first tweet, But no, 736 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: it wasn't that. After teasing a major announcement, this is 737 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: what it turned out to be. Hello everyone, this is 738 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,959 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, hopefully your favorite president of all time, better 739 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: than Lincoln, better than Washington, with an important announcement to make. Yep, 740 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: here we're going my first official Donald J. Trump n 741 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 1: f T collection. Like n f T collection, that's what 742 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 1: it was, n f T s depicting his head on 743 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: any number of characters, including those of superheroes. Each card 744 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,360 Speaker 1: comes with an automatic chance to win amazing prizes like 745 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: dinner with me. I don't know if that's an amazing prize. Well, 746 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 1: come on, that's what we have, or a golf with 747 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 1: you and a group of your friends at one of 748 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,320 Speaker 1: my beautiful golf courses, and they are beautiful. I'm also 749 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: doing zoom calls, a one on one meeting, autographing memory bi. Yeah, 750 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 1: it's gonna be doing voicemail messages maybe, Genie, what do 751 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: you think? Wow? Yeah? Sorry? Does this mean the campaign's over? Already? 752 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 1: It should be over after this. I mean he's selling 753 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:42,760 Speaker 1: what essentially our basebark baseball cards for dollars. They are digital, 754 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,399 Speaker 1: and which makes it worse. You can't even hold them 755 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,800 Speaker 1: if you would want to. I mean, cringeworthy is probably 756 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: the best words you'd think. This means the campaign is over. 757 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 1: He's losing in every poll by thirty to forty points 758 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: to somebody who wants to attack the people who created 759 00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,839 Speaker 1: the vaccine. The vaccine. I mean this is a bad 760 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 1: but did you see the superhero cards? I mean they 761 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 1: did pick the right music thing. Yes, Rick, I think 762 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,759 Speaker 1: the sound on n f T s are coming. What 763 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 1: what character would you play? The cowboy or the superhero? 764 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: I I just want to be the quiet guy behind 765 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: the scenes. They not got an n f T named 766 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 1: after him. That's that's my goal in life is never 767 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,359 Speaker 1: to be an n f T. But you know, think 768 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,400 Speaker 1: about the think about this sort of broader context of this. 769 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:32,320 Speaker 1: Here we are talking about the biggest critic. This is true, 770 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 1: and he wants to Guy Teez. I'm Joe Matthew. This 771 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:36,840 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg.