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Speaker 1: the knob off. We got Rick Buker stopping by in

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Speaker 1: twenty minutes. All the latest on the NBA Finals. Pacers

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Speaker 1: beat the Thunder tonight one sixteen one oh seven. Game

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Speaker 1: four is Friday Night. Indiana leads the series two games

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Speaker 1: to one. Teams that go up to to one in

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Speaker 1: the NBA Finals win how many percent of the time?

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Speaker 1: Mike Harmon eighty one percent percent of the time.

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Speaker 3: Because I'm a big nerd, I immediately started looking at

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Speaker 3: series odds and over at FanDuel right now plus one

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Speaker 3: ninety four for your Pacers, which implies a thirty four

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Speaker 3: percent probability, long ways away from what we were at

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Speaker 3: starting things when it was eleven or twelve percent.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: The Thunder had the lead early in this game, and

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Speaker 1: the Pacers methodically get back into it. And look, this

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Speaker 1: is one of those stolen games, right because the Pacer

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Speaker 1: because the Pacers didn't play to their they didn't play

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Speaker 1: their A level game, right, And in the NBA Finals,

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Speaker 1: if you can get when you don't play an A

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Speaker 1: level game and win, that's a huge thing, right, Not

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Speaker 1: like that the Thunder played an A level game, but

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Speaker 1: they had the lead for the most part, and then

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Speaker 1: the Pacers were able to fight their way back and

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Speaker 1: they took the lead at the end. Look, they are

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Speaker 1: just stronger than any team in the final six minutes

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Speaker 1: of a game like you get to the doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: what the situation is. The final six minutes of an

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Speaker 1: NBA playoff game with the Pacers, they could be up

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Speaker 1: by three, you could be tied, they could be down

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Speaker 1: by ten. They are better in the last six minutes

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Speaker 1: than every other team. Right. That's one big takeaway from

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Speaker 1: the finals and from this playoffs that we've seen is

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Speaker 1: that the freshness of this team because they play there,

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Speaker 1: they play the important bench guys who play important minutes.

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Speaker 1: Everybody is fresh at the end. Halliburton gets a rest,

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Speaker 1: he comes back in for the final eight minutes, and

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Speaker 1: they are able to withstand and really get an advantage

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Speaker 1: over other teams where their stars are kind of dragged

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Speaker 1: lot of minutes. These are big games that are more physical,

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Speaker 1: that are more draining mentally, and the fresher you can stay. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: it's a huge advantage. But it's not like I'm picking

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Speaker 1: and choosing this. It's tell me a game where the

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Speaker 1: Pacers got a close game, where the Pacers get completely

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Speaker 1: outplayed in the last six minutes by something they don't

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Speaker 1: They're the ones that do the out playing, right, They've

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Speaker 1: done this the entire playoff. You want to talk about

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Speaker 1: reasons why the Pacers are two wins from winning the

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Speaker 1: NBA Championship, that's right up at the top. Well, they're

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Speaker 1: clean in the final minutes. They play clean basketball, defensive

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Speaker 1: acumen and swarming to the edges. And we talk about

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Speaker 1: the turnover in issue they had going back to game one,

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Speaker 3: Is they still took care of business and when it

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Speaker 3: can also take more chances offensively, as we've seen them

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Speaker 3: do in the subsequent two games as well. And now

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Speaker 3: coming down the stretch, there's no sense of panic, there's

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Speaker 3: no reticens to go to the substitutions because you play

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Speaker 3: go nine to ten deep and you've got players that

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Speaker 3: care of things defensively. And that's what you've seen from

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Speaker 3: to see him do as a former Nick Now good

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Speaker 3: and opportunity for what Rick Carlile preaches, and we talked

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Speaker 3: podcast when it goes up later on tonight. Evangelize to

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Speaker 3: your friends and family about everything we're telling you here

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Speaker 3: is Rick Carlile maybe starts getting elevated in terms of

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Speaker 3: how he manages these end of game situations and has

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's amazing that that a team can play

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Speaker 1: of it is confidence, A lot of it is anybody

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Speaker 1: six minutes. It gets in your head a little bit, Okay, here,

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Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference Finals. You know, the chip on their

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Speaker 1: is throughout the game. But the final six minutes, the

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Speaker 1: way they navigate things, and it doesn't seem like it's

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Speaker 1: not any magical pill where all of a sudden, hey,

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Speaker 1: final six minutes they default to Halliburt or Siakam gets

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Speaker 1: minutes they execute. I mean, I'm trying to come up

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Speaker 1: with a team in the last few years in the

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Speaker 1: NBA playoffs that plays the final six minutes of the

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter to the level the Pacers having this playoffs

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Speaker 1: got a tough time coming up with one right now

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Speaker 1: that we don't have great teams, but we're saying consistently

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Speaker 1: playing the final six minutes better than everybody else like

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Speaker 1: the Pacers have. I mean, again, at the top of

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Speaker 1: the list, why are they winning? Yeah, you want to say, well,

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Speaker 1: you're you're executing the end of games that should seem elementary.

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Speaker 1: But over the course of a playoff, yeah, I guess what.

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Speaker 1: The other teams are great too, and they tend to

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Speaker 1: this not happening to the Pacers and games where they

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Speaker 1: absolutely they can't do anything right, where they can't do

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Speaker 1: the Okay, once in a while that happens, but every

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Speaker 1: The Pacers find a way, it's incredibly impressive, or even

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Speaker 3: I think it all plays together, right, we talk about

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Speaker 3: and you're seeing more and more profiles retweeted out in

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Speaker 3: the evening here on the Wednesday night coming out of

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Speaker 3: this game. It's like, hey, remember this guy, ten year veteran.

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Speaker 3: Right for McConnell, like, look at all the look at

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Speaker 3: his road to this moment and being ready for it

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Speaker 3: and needing to fight. And then that's part of it, right.

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Speaker 3: You got guys looking for those next contracts. You got

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Speaker 3: guys looking to establish their name.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: Halliburton's a two time third team All NBA guy. You

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Speaker 3: don't think he thinks he should have been a second teamer?

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Speaker 1: Right? He feeds in off that hate. We've talked about

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Speaker 1: it a lot.

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Speaker 3: You know, the most overrated comment, it's the stuff with

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Speaker 3: his dad. All of it plays into this great narrative

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Speaker 3: of motivation that you can't tell me Rick Carlisle and

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Speaker 3: his staff aren't feeding into at every turn, right, for

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Speaker 3: every one of these players.

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Speaker 1: The other thing I'll tell you is this now as

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Speaker 1: great as it is for the Pacers. Okay, because here

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Speaker 1: care comes by big hot take in Big Bull prediction

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Speaker 1: for Game four. Right, We've said and look incredible things

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Speaker 1: about the Pacers, their desire, that the fact that they

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Speaker 1: are able to to coalesce, and and take that, Hey,

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Speaker 1: we've all been overlooked at some point in our career

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Speaker 1: and wear that as a badge because that's really Hey,

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Speaker 1: how are the Pacers playing this? Well? Most of their

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Speaker 1: team has been overlooked at some pointmat Right, Uh, well,

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Speaker 1: then the Titans mount in sunshine, and then he was

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Speaker 1: a better quarterback and they moved. But he was an unknown.

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Speaker 1: He was a great unknown when he was But I

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Speaker 1: gotta think, Okay, here's the thing. Okay, did they really

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Speaker 1: only run five offensive plays? I mean, I gotta think

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Speaker 1: at some point a really good team is gonna say

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Speaker 1: we only have to study five plays. We can stop

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Speaker 1: five plays. We can tell some team is gonna be

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Speaker 3: You think, what kind of coaching are you doing when

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Speaker 3: you only have like I could say this my my

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Speaker 3: eighth grade year, and then like obviously high school take

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Speaker 3: it to the next level. And when you're talking about

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Speaker 3: state championship whatever. I do remember my eighth grade year,

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Speaker 3: we literally had the same run play that we ran

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Speaker 3: this guy right and then the running back who would

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Speaker 1: We're gonna run behind the guy not wearing leg pads

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Speaker 1: in purple shorts. Yeah, trust me, it's fine. He's got

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Speaker 1: a low center of gravity. It's gonna be great.

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Speaker 2: No, it worked really.

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Speaker 3: Well until everybody else grew and suddenly I was diminutive.

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Speaker 1: But here's here's my big bull prediction for game four. Okay,

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Speaker 1: because like I said, this series has seven games written

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Speaker 1: all over it, right, I said this going into Game three.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be surprised Pacers win Game three. Their

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Speaker 1: bench is gonna play better because they're at home, tada.

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Speaker 1: But this is not a series where the Pacers gonna

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Speaker 1: be able to completely overwhelm the Thunder with their style

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Speaker 1: of play, where they can control it and rip off

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Speaker 1: three four wins in a row. Same said for the Thunder.

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Speaker 1: It's not gonna be a game where the Thunder canna

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Speaker 1: be able to control the pacers. We've seen this right

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Speaker 1: and to and todight, here's where we are. SGA got

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Speaker 1: to the free throw line six times tonight. Okay, six

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Speaker 1: times tonight. He had a decent game, right, twenty four points,

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Speaker 1: eight rebounds, four assists, but generally he missed a couple

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Speaker 1: of big shots late. He missed them badly. In Game four,

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Speaker 1: SGA goes for forty and a near triple double and

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Speaker 1: the thunder win Game four. The MVP knows I needed

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Speaker 1: to do more of this game, and I didn't. Right,

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Speaker 1: he knows it's very rare. He has a bad and

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Speaker 1: this is what passes for a bad game for He

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Speaker 1: was careless with the basketball a number of times.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, some ola defense when he was dejected.

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Speaker 1: Did not yet Oh yeah, the big one. He missed

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Speaker 1: that big jumper and then Siakam's able to get buy

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Speaker 1: him down court. Us, Hey, dude, come on, SGA. This

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Speaker 1: is what I say about Anthony Edwards and Halliburton. And

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Speaker 1: then they're not motivated all the time like you are.

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Speaker 1: You kind of making me.

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Speaker 3: Look bad, right, and George down pass all the way

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Speaker 3: down to the baseline, and and he just stood and

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Speaker 1: No, So Rick Buker will continue to be Fox Sports

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Speaker 5: Rick.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I mean I can't ignore his business.

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Speaker 5: I understand, and uh, you know, I'm a little upset

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Speaker 1: Rick, this is. I can't tell you how embarrassing this is.

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Speaker 1: See. I like the chaos potential of it all though, Rick.

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Speaker 1: I mean that.

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Speaker 3: Look, if I was in that postgame pressure with Rick Carlisle,

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Speaker 5: Oh? Yeah, no doubt about it. No congratulations on the wind.

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Speaker 5: But what I really want to know is, has Jim

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Speaker 1: Dada?

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Speaker 5: Hey?

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Speaker 1: Who's that? Got?

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Speaker 5: I'll be shocked if I'll be shocked if Worldwide West

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Speaker 1: All right, So if I said to you before we

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Speaker 5: No. I see how this lines up, because then when

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and house for a couple of weeks our vacation.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're gonna We're gonna have fun.

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Speaker 5: Yet I'm not giving you a certainty, I will say,

436
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Speaker 5: like if we're if we're being reasonable here about potential

437
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Speaker 5: guys that they could get. I would look at a

438
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Speaker 5: Taylor Jenkins because I think that he did an admirable

439
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Speaker 5: job in uh in Memphis. He got sideways with the

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Speaker 5: front office. I don't think it was any fault of

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Speaker 5: his own, but they they changed up his his coaching

442
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Speaker 5: staff underneath him and brought in guys that were going

443
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Speaker 5: to teach a different offense, and that kind of undercut him.

444
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Speaker 5: Prior to that, he had a great relationship with the players.

445
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Speaker 5: He ran an offense that when Jah was healthy, a

446
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Speaker 5: scoring point guard offense that that was very effective. And

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Speaker 5: so I would I would look that direction. Or I

448
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Speaker 5: would look at the Minnesota assistant coach Mike and Nori,

449
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Speaker 5: just because we saw him coach the Timberwolves last year

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Speaker 5: in the playoffs while Chris Finch was dealing with the

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Speaker 5: petel A tendon injury. Knowing his personality, I think he

452
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Speaker 5: could handle the New York market. And he has a

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Speaker 5: standing relationship with Karl Anthony Talt. So those are the

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Speaker 5: kind of of choices where if the Knicks went in

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Speaker 5: that direction, I would say, Okay, you know what I

456
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Speaker 5: can see it. I don't have a problem with them

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Speaker 5: moving on from tips. I think they went as far

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Speaker 5: as they could with tips. But look like you have

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Speaker 5: a plan as opposed to you're just you're just scrolling

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Speaker 5: through the league media guide for every head coach and going, hey,

461
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Speaker 5: let's try that guy. Let's see if he'll we'll get

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Speaker 5: an interview with What are we doing there? Even the

463
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Speaker 5: coaches that they reached out to are so different, Like,

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Speaker 5: show me that you have a show me that when

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Speaker 5: you fired kids you had some sort of list. I

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Speaker 5: can tell you that every GM I've talked to, when

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Speaker 5: they may have just hired a coach and they have

468
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Speaker 5: a list in their pocket of guys that they would

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Speaker 5: hire next if they decided to make a change, they

470
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Speaker 5: always have a list of who would I who would

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Speaker 5: I want if I could get them? And maybe maybe

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Speaker 5: Leon Rose has that list and he's just ignoring the

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Speaker 5: fact that those guys have already been hired by other people.

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Speaker 3: No, that's what I did, right when as soon as

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Speaker 3: you started saying go to Vegas, I started thinking about

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Speaker 3: a roulette table.

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Speaker 1: You know, you don't have to give me specifics.

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Speaker 3: Is it a guy with the job a guy who

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Speaker 3: doesn't have a job, or the green would be the

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Speaker 3: assistant coaches who haven't had that chance yet. So we

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Speaker 3: have that, but we do. I have a two to

482
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Speaker 3: one lead for the Indiana Pacers. They've led eleven percent

483
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Speaker 3: of game minutes here. It was the Benedict Mathering game.

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Speaker 3: Who's the specialist for game four? I mean coming out

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Speaker 3: of this, Rick, I mean, you just look at the

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Speaker 3: depth and now it matchs up. They just keep coming.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, and that's the danger of Indiana and that's why

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Speaker 5: it's been so hard to predict what they're going to do,

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Speaker 5: is because you don't know who is going to deliver.

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Speaker 5: It can be one of any number of guys, and

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Speaker 5: that's what makes them much more difficult. And Rick Carlisle

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Speaker 5: was just masterful with how he handled this game because

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Speaker 5: he was subbing in guys in the first quarter, and

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Speaker 5: he kept fresh bodies out there, and he pressed Sga

496
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Speaker 5: ninety four feet knowing that if we can keep this close,

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Speaker 5: the ball is going to be in SGA's hands. He's

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Speaker 5: going to have to try to win this. And meanwhile,

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Speaker 5: we got an array of guys who are capable of

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Speaker 5: going and getting a bucket and We're just going to

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Speaker 5: make it a battle of attrition and uh and and

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Speaker 5: I thought that's exactly what you saw at the end.

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Speaker 5: I mean Sga was exhausted, ched Holmgren was exhausted, and

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Speaker 5: those and and those were the two guys. And I

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Speaker 5: would say Jalen Williams probably was too. And those were

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Speaker 5: the you know, that's their core. But they had to

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Speaker 5: play so hard and they had so many bodies on them,

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Speaker 5: and the crowd was just you know, had had the

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Speaker 5: Indiana role players geeked up beyond measure. Uh. And then

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Speaker 5: you had Pascal Siakam and Tyrese Haliburton, you know, do

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Speaker 5: their part. But uh, this this really was to me,

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Speaker 5: this was a Rick Carlisle game. When I saw him

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Speaker 5: stubbing guys in like early I don't know, I can't

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Speaker 5: remember when the first subs were came in, but he

515
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Speaker 5: went to his bench and the bench just lit a fire.

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Speaker 5: And uh and I could I knew exactly what he

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Speaker 5: was doing, and it was just a matter of is

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Speaker 5: it going to work? And by the end you saw

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Speaker 5: it working to perfection.

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Speaker 1: You know, Rick Bucker with us here Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 1: Jason Smith, Mike Carmen, What I come down to and

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Speaker 1: then because now the Pacers have gone from hey, they're

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Speaker 1: a great story, to hey, now they're two wins away

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Speaker 1: from winning it all. And you know, hey, teams that

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Speaker 1: go up to to one win eighty one percent of

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Speaker 1: the time. And when when you come back, I think,

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Speaker 1: when when you know, as we look at the Pacers,

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Speaker 1: why are they this good? The couple of things that

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Speaker 1: we talk about the rotation, But these are a bunch

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Speaker 1: of guys and it's a perfect moment in time for

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Speaker 1: them because it's a bunch of guys who have been

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Speaker 1: overlooked their entire or they feel they've been overlooked their

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Speaker 1: entire career, whether it's Halliburton or Toppin or McConnell or

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Speaker 1: Mathern who you know wants to start Siakam who is

535
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Speaker 1: terrific player but never really given the credit. In Toronto,

536
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Speaker 1: it was either Fred van Vlid or it was Kawhi Leonard.

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Speaker 1: And they play with that chip on their shoulder. And

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Speaker 1: whether it's the reserves in the game or the or

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Speaker 1: the stars in the game, they play at that pace

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Speaker 1: and they play that to an extent. No one is

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Speaker 1: as hungry to win as I see this pace and

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean other teams are lazy. They all want

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Speaker 1: to win, they all want the basketball, but nobody is

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Speaker 1: as hungry as this Pacers team. This moment in time

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Speaker 1: for them is really something.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I agree, and it's I don't know that

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Speaker 5: this is the perfect model, but you're you see some

548
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Speaker 5: of the same thing with Okay. See, Indiana's just taking

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Speaker 5: it to another level where we're we're going to play

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Speaker 5: a deep rotation so that we can sustain an injury. Uh,

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Speaker 5: and it's going to be equal opportunity. You know what

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Speaker 5: I really love is, you know, Benefic Matherin comes in

553
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Speaker 5: off the bench and he's got as much of a

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00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 5: green light as Tyre's Haliburton does. And Tyre's Haliburton will

555
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Speaker 5: be on the floor, and Andrew Demhart will be initiating

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Speaker 5: the offense and handling it as much as anybody else.

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Speaker 5: And then the other thing is, you know, you look

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Speaker 5: at their you know, we've talked a lot about Okay's defense,

559
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Speaker 5: deservedly so, but I'm watching Nemhart and Nie Smith and

560
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 5: and even Halliburton tonight. These guys were getting after it.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's easy to say we're going to press

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Speaker 5: ninety four feet and what that's going to take out

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Speaker 5: of STA. But you've also got to give that and

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Speaker 5: mathern Nemhart Niece Smith Halliburton Toppin. They were all they

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Speaker 5: were all in playing ninety four feet and and to

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Speaker 5: your point, like I could see them, I could see

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Speaker 5: them eating a championship out of this, it'll be they'll

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Speaker 5: they'll be the most improbable champion that we've seen probably

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Speaker 5: since I mean I would say probably since the Dallas

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Speaker 5: Mavericks in twenty eleven beating the Miami Heat. They had,

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Speaker 5: you know, they had a Dirk Noviski, but you look

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Speaker 5: at the rest of that team. Nobody, nobody was expecting

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Speaker 5: them to win a championship. Nobody was expecting these Pacers

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Speaker 5: to win a championship, and right now they're in the

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Speaker 5: driver's seat to do exactly that.

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. You can follow Rick on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: Rick Buker, That is at Rick Buker the On the

578
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: Ball podcast where he breaks down all twenty seven teams

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Speaker 1: that have said no to the Knicks at this point, Rick,

580
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: don't you in the Knicks just put out a blanket

581
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: request to every NBA team and see who comes back

582
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Speaker 1: and says yes. Wouldn't that be a better use of

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Speaker 1: their time? Are you really well?

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Speaker 5: I think we need to expand it to G League

585
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Speaker 5: team as well. Manhattan Condos, Yo, All thanks a bunch.

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Speaker 1: Buddy has always enjoyed the games. We'll talk to you see, Rick.

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00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: Great stuff is always from Rick Buker right there, he's

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Speaker 1: the best. Tell you man, the most improbable NBA champion

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Speaker 1: since the Mavericks and twenty eleven, which was also.

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Speaker 3: Coached by ta Rick Carlele Say comes back. I think

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Speaker 3: I've seen tickets as high as one hundred and twenty

592
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Speaker 3: five to one from in season betting for the Pacers

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Speaker 3: to win the title.

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Speaker 1: Jason, Yeah, what do you got? Frost? Perkyl Lar keeps

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Speaker 1: this up. He might he might be able to turn

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Speaker 1: the next down. Uh yeah, well, I can't believe the

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Speaker 1: Nicks didn't. Really the should have asked him in the

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Speaker 1: post game, Prescott he knew where he was.

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Speaker 3: That would have been the first question showed up, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, there's a guitar. Instead of like

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Speaker 3: after a big Broadway performance, here's a bouquet of roses,

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Speaker 3: Like after a dance resad or whatever, a guitar shows up.

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Speaker 3: What Does this mean you gotta like the Joker's cards

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Speaker 3: or no?

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Speaker 1: Yes or no? Just right now say it yes or no,

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Speaker 1: just out of my collection. It's a you know, a

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Speaker 1: strat for the sixties because if you say no, I'm

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Speaker 1: going across all Oklahoma City. All right, do that back.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you first because you're leading two

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Speaker 1: games to one. I'll go talk to Mark. I don't

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Speaker 1: think I'm not gonna ask it, but I'm asking you first,

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Speaker 1: all right time now to find out what's trending in

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Speaker 1: the wide world of sports from Monty Belangos, who is

614
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Speaker 1: still having her finger hovering over the Puma button to

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Speaker 1: buy a Tyres Halliburton over eight that T shirt.

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Speaker 6: Yea, So here here's my problem, guys.

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Speaker 4: Do I buy something else I don't need need to

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Speaker 4: get free shipping, or do I just pay the shipping

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Speaker 4: and spend less money to just get the shirt.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm strue. Absolutely pay more money to get

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Speaker 1: free shipping. Yes, but on something I don't need, yes, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Or something that you might way a little bit, because

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Speaker 3: that would.

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Speaker 6: Mean that the I need the shirt.

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Speaker 1: This is a need ray versus reader that no, I

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Speaker 1: need it.

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Speaker 6: I need it at this point, I need it. I

628
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Speaker 6: need it.

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Speaker 4: But you know, if OKC does lose, Jason Mark Dagnall

630
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Speaker 4: might be available for the Knicks.

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, You might be available in

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Speaker 6: one more game, That's right, Yeah, like he might. He

633
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Speaker 6: might be available for the Knicks.

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Speaker 4: So keep your fingers crossed that you know that happens

635
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Speaker 4: for your knicks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: The Pacers taking two to one series lead over the

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Speaker 4: Thunder in the NBA Finals Game three, one sixteen to

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Speaker 4: one oh seven was the final score.

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Speaker 6: Pacers were down in the fourth quarter, but it didn't matter.

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Speaker 4: They end up out scoring Oka Seed thirty two to

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Speaker 4: eighteen and get the win. Benedict Mathern, like you guys

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Speaker 4: are talking about off the bench, only played twenty two

644
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Speaker 4: minutes but was the leading score of the game twenty

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Speaker 4: seven points. Tyrese Haliburn was just shy of a triple

646
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Speaker 4: double twenty two points, nine rebounds on eleven assists. Okase

647
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Speaker 4: made one shot in the final five minutes and fifty

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Speaker 4: eight seconds of the game. The rest of the points

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Speaker 4: were free throws, but they made one shot, Jalen Williams,

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Speaker 4: putting them up to one hundred. Those other seven points

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Speaker 4: were free throws. That's all they did in the final

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Speaker 4: six minutes of that fourth quarter. Another NBA news know

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Speaker 4: not about the Knicks, but Kevin Durant and the Suns.

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Speaker 4: They've been talking about moving Durround out of Phoenix this

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Speaker 4: offseason with his reps the Rocket Spurs, Timberwolves. He and

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Speaker 4: Nis were named as possible destinations. Celtics card Jalen Brown

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Speaker 4: had outhroscopic surgery on his knee, but he's expected to

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Speaker 4: be ready by the start of.

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Speaker 6: Training camp when it comes to baseball.

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Speaker 4: Earlier today, the Diamondbacks, while they defeated the Mariners five

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Speaker 4: to two, they swept the Mariners Lehane swatt Is with

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Speaker 4: this third Grand Slam of the season.

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Speaker 6: The Orioles crushed the Tigers ten to one.

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Speaker 4: Detroit starter Jackson Job was going to undergo Tommy John surgery,

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Speaker 4: ending his season. The Red Sox piled off the Rays

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Speaker 4: four to three. The Mets have won five in a row.

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Speaker 4: They shut out the Nations five zero. David Peterson tossed

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Speaker 4: a complete shutout game, Peter a Lonso had an RBI double,

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Speaker 4: Juan Soto a two run homer, five home runs in

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Speaker 4: the last eleven games, and Brandon Nimmo.

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Speaker 6: Also homer for your Mets.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 4: Jason Aaron Judge hit home run number twenty five on

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Speaker 4: the season, his fourth home run in three games as

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Speaker 4: the Yankees top the Royals six to three. The Twins outscored.

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Speaker 4: I wrote, the Twins outscored the Twins.

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Speaker 6: That's not right.

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Speaker 4: The Twins outscored somebody, guys, but it wasn't the Twins.

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Speaker 4: The Astros rolled past the White Sox, tend to to

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Speaker 4: the final in that one, and I'll give you the

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Speaker 4: baseball score in just a second, since I did right

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Speaker 4: the wrong thing.

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Speaker 1: Winders, Yes, outscore Twins.

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Speaker 6: That's where I wrote, six to two. Six to two

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Speaker 6: was the final score. At least I got that right.

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Speaker 4: And Byron Buxton did hit the three run homer that

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Speaker 4: put them up, so I got that right as well.

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Speaker 4: The Giants have won seven in a row. Ten to

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Speaker 4: seven was the final score over the Rockies.

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Speaker 6: The Astros roll past the White Sox ten to two.

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Speaker 4: The Angels edged the a six to five to complete

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Speaker 4: a three game sweep, while the Dodgers defeated the Padres

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Speaker 4: five to two, and in the WNBA, the Storm outscored

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Speaker 4: the Links ninety four eighty four.

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Speaker 6: Handy Minnesota, the first loss.

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Speaker 4: Of the season, and the Mercury top the Wings ninety

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Speaker 4: three eighty despite thirty five points from Paige Beckers.

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Speaker 6: Back to you days.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, mon Sie. Yeah, real quick. Best

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Speaker 1: thoughts a Tiger's rookie prospect, Jackson Jobe, one of the

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Speaker 1: best prospects in baseball. But I gotta think this, I

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Speaker 1: think good things. If your last name is job, I

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Speaker 1: think you're gonna come through surgery just fine. Actually do

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Speaker 1: I gotta feel played. I got a feeling his history

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Speaker 1: would say that JA will go great. All right, so

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Speaker 1: let's just go get it. Thank you much. Yes, coming

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Speaker 1: up next all we'll lot more in the NBA playoffs,

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Speaker 1: coming out a little bit. But straight ahead, boy do

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Speaker 1: we have a fun story out of the NFL today

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Speaker 1: to get to. That's next, Jason to Mike.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith

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Speaker 2: Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven

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Speaker 2: pm Pacific.

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with My best

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Speaker 1: friend Mike Harmon. More NBA coming up in a few minutes.

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Speaker 1: But boy, do we have a great quote today and

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Speaker 1: it involved Aaron Rodgers. So Rogers met the meetia yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Oh by the way, I'm married. Okay, that's great. Today

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Speaker 1: Offensive coordinator Arthur Smith, and we've said this for a while,

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Speaker 1: that boy, you know going back. Yeah, I don't know

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Speaker 1: two months when when this whole dance first starting. Congratulations

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Speaker 1: Mike tann Abound for stealing our take. Look, Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: and the Steelers sounds great on paper, but wow, you

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Speaker 1: talk about two completely different philosophies on offense, what the

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Speaker 1: Steelers like to do and what Rodgers likes to do. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: good luck making that work today. Arthur Smith was asked

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Speaker 1: about it. Hey, you brought in Aaron Rodgers. What does

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Speaker 1: it mean? You know, different you know, different quarterback, different era.

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Speaker 1: And he said, you know, listen, we didn't bring Aaron

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Speaker 1: in here and signed DK Metcalf for all that money

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Speaker 1: to go run the wishbone. So you know, you try

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Speaker 1: to play to the strengths of your team. Which is

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Speaker 1: a great quote. Right, No, it's good here and run

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Speaker 1: the wishbone.

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Speaker 3: Right Well, I mean it's it's a nice blanket statement

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Speaker 3: to say. I mean we're not doing that. I mean

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Speaker 3: you're not squad.

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Speaker 1: I mean Troy Aikman did run the Wishbone at Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: until he got hurt and went to UCLA and suddenly

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Speaker 1: became the best pocket passer we've ever seen. So there

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Speaker 1: was that. All that works out pretty well. Yeah, But

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Speaker 1: I mean, okay, and this is when I say this

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Speaker 1: is gonna be a disaster, right, This is gonna be

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Speaker 1: a disaster because you have again two completely different philosophies

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Speaker 1: on what you want to do offensively. Mike Tomlin the

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Speaker 1: last few years, I'm not gonna throw the football a million.

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Speaker 1: I'm done with the Roethlisberger era. I'm done with all

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Speaker 1: of that. What he has tried to do is turn

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Speaker 1: the Steelers into a team where it looks like it's

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four. We're gonna run the football a ton,

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Speaker 1: even though we can't run it really well. The Steelers

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Speaker 1: still ran the football at side three yards at a

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Speaker 1: cloud three times. It's seven three point three, it's a

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Speaker 1: first down. They had the fewest yards per carry off

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Speaker 1: any team in the NFL. You want to know why

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Speaker 1: they didn't win more because they still want to run

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Speaker 1: the football with Najie Harris, who is just a guy,

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Speaker 1: and Jalen Warren when they can't do it well, that's

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Speaker 1: why they didn't score. You're still gonna run the football

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Speaker 1: when you can't do why are you doing that? You're

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Speaker 1: suddenly gonna change and something now with Aaron, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: throw the football forty five times a game. Not happening. Right.

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Speaker 1: You can say all this, all this is great, but

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Speaker 1: it's clear that Mike Tom and Arthur Smith have one

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Speaker 1: sort of offensive philosophy. You really think suddenly Rodger's gonna

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Speaker 1: come in and slinging around. No, they're hoping, Hey, we

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Speaker 1: don't really have a plan at quarterback. We want to

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Speaker 1: continue to try to get by cheaply a quarterback for

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Speaker 1: some stupid reason. And Rogers's gonna come in. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: chafe because yes, they brought him Decae, but they really

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Speaker 1: they let go. A couple others said that the last

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Speaker 1: couple of years have been cycling through receivers. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: let you go and let you go there now we

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Speaker 1: bringing DK Metcalf. Okay, that's great, but they're not suddenly

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Speaker 1: gonna abandon who they are. They're not gonna change your

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Speaker 1: offensive system. They're not gonna suddenly stop running the football.

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Speaker 1: Not going to happen, and it's gonna be awful, and

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Speaker 1: you're gonna see after week two, Mike Tomlin at one

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Speaker 1: end of the of the locker room talking about offensive

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Speaker 1: play after a disappointing performance, and Aaron Rodgers all the

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Speaker 1: way at the other end, talking about offensive play and disappointment.

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Speaker 1: And he's gonna be throwing slight bars one way. Maybe

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Speaker 1: if we threw the football a little bit more, maybe

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Speaker 1: because he's not gonna be quietest. He doesn't want this

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Speaker 1: year to be absolutely terror Well, it's going to be.

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Speaker 1: And we told you that by the beginning of December.

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Speaker 1: The big question is going to be can Rodgers finish

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Speaker 1: the season as a starter or the Steelers going to

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Speaker 1: turn to Will Howard or Mason Rudolph. Right, we said that,

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Speaker 1: congratulates Mike Tannaboum. That's great. We said that a month ago.

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Speaker 1: This is not a match that's going to work. You

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Speaker 1: can see here and say again June is one thing. Oh,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna do this and this is gonna be great.

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Speaker 1: And then when the football's fly for real, what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna try to run the football thirty five times

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Speaker 1: a game and win this game sixteen to ten. And

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Speaker 1: that's not what Aaron Rodgers in to do. He's not

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Speaker 1: in to go seventeen for twenty eight throwing the football

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Speaker 1: or twelve for twenty four throwing the football for one

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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five yards an interception. That's not what

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Speaker 1: he's going to do. But that's exactly what they're going

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Speaker 1: to ask him to do, and it's going to go horribly.

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Speaker 2: See.

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Speaker 3: I think Aaron Rodgers learned a big lesson going back

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Speaker 3: to the twenty twenty NFC title game. Remember when he

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Speaker 3: came off the field when they said, all right, let's

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Speaker 3: send the field goal unit on, let's kick the ball

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Speaker 3: back and play defense, and they never saw the ball again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Phil saw it all. You could have stopped

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Speaker 1: that other guy from kicking a field goal and gone in,

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Speaker 1: but you didn't. And then we could have told him

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Speaker 1: him at the concert.

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Speaker 3: You could have said, blank you, I'm staying on this

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Speaker 3: field and we're going for the tie.

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Speaker 1: I think he learned lesson and that's.

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Speaker 3: What he's gonna do to Arthur smithon by Tomlin, I'm

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Speaker 3: the captain.

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Speaker 1: Now, you brought me in to throw the ball and

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Speaker 1: win games. Uh sixty five toss power trap. Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's great uh red twenty seven Black fifty nine razor. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers going deep again? Oh seem like this would

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Speaker 1: be a time in the past when the Steelers would

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Speaker 1: run the ball. But hey, this shows the growth of

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin. Oh no way. Tomlin is screaming at Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers from the sideline for changing the play.

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Speaker 3: Roman Wilson, you're really fast, right, go, that's how I

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Speaker 3: see it. You're gonna look at some of those Roethlisberger numbers,

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Speaker 3: six seventy five, six oh eight, six oh five.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're looking for.

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Speaker 3: If Aaron Rodgers is the quarterback of this squad, he

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Speaker 3: got three yards and a clouded dust?

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Speaker 1: You know, yes, yeah, how many plays you think he's

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Speaker 1: gonna change until suddenly it turns it? All right? Well,

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Speaker 1: let's I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, because that's where it really could be fun. This

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Speaker 3: is good, This is gonna go hoard. These are not

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Speaker 3: two sides that are male like at this point when

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Speaker 3: when when you're Aaron Rodgers, like early in his career,

839
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Speaker 3: you could work in a lot of systems, right, he

840
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Speaker 3: had the army and everything else. But look, we know

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00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 3: he throws off his back foot. He doesn't want to

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Speaker 3: get hit, he throws the football away early. He needs

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Speaker 3: to be in a system that can take advantage of

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Speaker 3: what he does well. I don't know there's any quarterback

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Speaker 3: that could you can take advantage of what they do

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Speaker 3: well in the Steelers system.

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Speaker 1: None. I don't think there is because they don't want

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Speaker 1: you to throw the football. They would love to run

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00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: the single wing offensive. We're just gonna maybe two or

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Speaker 1: three trick passes again. That's it. We're gonna run the

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Speaker 1: football all the time. I don't know anybody but specifically

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers who loves to throw it and throw it

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Speaker 1: deep and make plays, and gambles and educated risks and

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Speaker 1: educated gambles. It's gonna be tart.

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Speaker 3: Arthur Smith has a quarterback that might be able to

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Speaker 3: throw the ball. I don't know when he's gonna be

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Speaker 3: able to contain himself.

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Speaker 1: Rogers was almost a ram, Yeah he was. He was

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Speaker 1: exit out about a Fresco exit swollen dome. Jason Smith,

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Speaker 1: Mike Harbon live from the Fox Sports Radio Studios. Coming

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Speaker 1: up next, how to go from being a destination to

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Speaker 1: an absolute laughing stock in a span of thirty six hours.

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Speaker 1: Jason and Mike Fox