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Speaker 2: This is Prime Cuts, the best of the Colin Coward podcast.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Clark tells us how Justin Fields could end one

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Speaker 2: of the most bizarre streaks in the NFL. John Middlecoff

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Speaker 2: and I discussed the big difference between Russell Wilson and

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers and how it could change everything for their teams.

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Speaker 2: But first, my conversation with the guys on one of

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Speaker 2: the new podcasts we've added to the volume. Fantasy Pros

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Speaker 2: know their shit. I think you'll love it. First though,

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Speaker 2: my top takes of the week. You know, I was

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Speaker 2: thinking about if you go look at the quarterback position

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Speaker 2: in the NFL, it almost feels corporate. Even Tom Brady's

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Speaker 2: personality was suppressed when he was in New England. It

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Speaker 2: was suppressed. He got a little lively and added some

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Speaker 2: personality in Tampa. But that's the league. It's very corporate.

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Speaker 2: And what's interesting to me. If I said to you

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Speaker 2: mention Baker Mayfield, Cam Newton, Jay Cutler, Johnny Manziel don't work.

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Speaker 2: The guys that are kind of cliched and coach speak.

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Speaker 2: It's been through the years sort of Brady, Trevor Lawrence,

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Speaker 2: what you're basically doing. The more power you have in life,

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Speaker 2: the more you will suppress information because you'll have more

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Speaker 2: information and it'll be more vital information. I told somebody

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Speaker 2: once when I was in my twenties and thirties, I

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Speaker 2: wanted to pretend I knew everything, and then I got

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Speaker 2: to my fifth these I have more access to stuff,

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Speaker 2: and I suppress more information. Well, when you're a quarterback

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Speaker 2: in the NFL, there are discussions you're having with the coach,

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Speaker 2: the coordinator, and the GM that are not shared with

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Speaker 2: other players. And so what makes Aaron Rodgers very unique.

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Speaker 2: He's a star quarterback and he's sort of like a rogue,

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Speaker 2: independent personality like most guys that have that. Jeff George

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Speaker 2: is you are the face of the franchise. You do

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Speaker 2: that Wednesday press conference, you stand in front of the media.

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Speaker 2: You're not here to be glib and funny. You're here

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Speaker 2: when they ask tough questions, to be a cooler, to

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Speaker 2: be a blanket, A wet blanket on a possible inflammatory story.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they did a sketch in the eighties on

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Speaker 2: Saturday Night Live about Joe Montana and Phil Hartman was involved,

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Speaker 2: and the whole joke of the scale was Joe Montana

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Speaker 2: was great, but the most boring man in the world.

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Speaker 2: Because quarterbacks are paid to suppress information, you'll want to

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Speaker 2: bring the temperature down in the room and concentrate on football.

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Speaker 2: That's the opposite of Aaron. Aaron is our e lax.

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Speaker 2: And now with the New York media, who was you know,

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Speaker 2: they're created to inflame. I think it's a fascinating relationship.

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Speaker 2: And the schedule's tough enough and the old line is

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Speaker 2: concerning enough that the Jets could get pushed around in

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Speaker 2: the opener against Buffalo, and in fact, one of my

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Speaker 2: favorite bets in Week one is Buffalo minus like one

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Speaker 2: and a half against the Jets. I think their defensive

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Speaker 2: going to be able to identify very quickly what New

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Speaker 2: York's problem is. That's why it's really important Makai Beckt

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Speaker 2: the Giants. It's interesting if it's a turnstile. It's a

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Speaker 2: problem because the Giants have a good pass rush. You know.

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Speaker 2: This is why for years and years I've said I

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Speaker 2: don't mind personality. I don't want it at quarterback. Like

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Speaker 2: moving targets. But if you really listen to Mahomes, he

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Speaker 2: always says the right thing. Aaron often says the most

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Speaker 2: interesting thing. It can be with Pat McAfee, it can

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Speaker 2: can be passive, aggressive. So that's who he is at

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Speaker 2: his core. Never married, no kids, independent thinking, one hundred

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Speaker 2: it's not necessarily going to be volcanic. But if you

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Speaker 2: look at the big personalities at quarterback, most implode. Aaron

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Speaker 2: at the end of Green Bay certainly didn't implode, but regressed.

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Speaker 2: It just didn't work even in a small media market

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Speaker 2: So I can't wait. I absolutely cannot wait to watch it,

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Speaker 2: that point forward, we're going to have ourselves a very

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Speaker 2: prickly bumpy story. SEC Commissioner Greg Sanke says the entire

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Speaker 2: And I absolutely agree. This is what I have proposed,

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Speaker 2: nobody attends, nobody really wants to play in. It's just

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Speaker 2: a way to get practices for some of these coaches

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Speaker 2: They're awful, they're optically bad, players could get hurt. Great

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Speaker 2: players go into the NFL, don't want to play in them.

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Speaker 2: Get rid of those things. I think we now have

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Speaker 2: from college basketball and have a dramatic, long playoff scenario

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Speaker 2: to cap off the season. It's the icing to the cake.

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Speaker 2: College Basketball's primary issue is the cake isn't very good anymore.

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Speaker 2: The best players don't want to play college basketball, and

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Speaker 2: if they do, it's briefly one year and they're gone.

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Speaker 2: College football will maintain a high level of integrity and

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Speaker 2: competitiveness and quality because you have to stay in college

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Speaker 2: football minimum three years. Most players stay four, some even

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Speaker 2: will remain high. I've never bought into this argument that

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Speaker 2: it'll kill college football rivalries. Really, Auburn Alabama both know

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Speaker 2: they're getting into a twelve to sixteen team playoff. You're

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Speaker 2: not going to watch the game in Alabama. That game

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Speaker 2: Greg Sankee, who is the most powerful person in college football,

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Speaker 2: Let's reconsider the playoff structure. I'm all for it. What

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Speaker 2: the SEC has done better than any conference. They've been

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Speaker 2: willing to evolve, be aggressive annually. And Greg's right. Jim

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Speaker 2: Harbaugh self imposed three games suspension at Michigan. We heard

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Speaker 2: And now with name, image and likeness, what's cheating. Harbaugh

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Speaker 2: There's a total momentum shift, there's a total cultural shift.

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Speaker 2: It is a great day to be a Wolverine these days,

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Speaker 2: not so much a Buckeye. That's because of Jim Harbaugh.

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Speaker 2: I think the self imposed penalty is probably the way

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Speaker 2: Don't try to push around Harbaugh. He's going to have

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Speaker 2: bet and hands go up? But Fantasy, I believe in

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Speaker 2: looking for a group that had personality, that was accurate,

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Speaker 2: you know, as our company grows, we've got so many

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Speaker 2: different shows, like we have a you know, Daniel Cormier

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Speaker 2: was an actual UFC fighter, he's ringside. Shannon Sharp can

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Speaker 2: do pop culture and sports. We just didn't your space.

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Speaker 4: I was like, well, to be honest, Colin, if if

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Speaker 4: you know, if Colin Coward calls you, you pick up

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Speaker 4: the phone, That's what I would say.

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Speaker 4: That's another show. We can at a time for that

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Speaker 4: conversation today, that's for sure. But Daniel Cormier, by the way,

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Speaker 4: he was fantastic. We did a whole preview of UFC

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Speaker 4: two ninety one. We talked WWEE he and I because

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Speaker 4: we're both big fans. So it was a great time.

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Speaker 4: And again I encourage everybody. I'm sure you already know

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Speaker 4: there phenomenally. You got all the athletes who have their

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Speaker 4: you guys are doing is just tremendous. And I guess

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Speaker 4: we're just excited, and I'm excited that you're excited. So

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Speaker 4: let's talk about football. Because we've got questions here, all right,

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Speaker 4: and we're gonna land this night for you. The first

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Speaker 4: I always say, you know, we love to talk about

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Speaker 4: fantasy stuff, but real football and fantasy that intersects. Everything's

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Speaker 4: coming here together. The numbers come around obviously the same

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Speaker 4: First question, I want to ask you, com will the

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Speaker 4: Lions crumble under expectations? It's one thing to be the

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Speaker 4: plucky underdog every single year and all of a sudden

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Speaker 4: you're building this thing. But now you look at Vegas,

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Speaker 4: they're telling you they believe in the Lions. You're telling

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Speaker 4: the rest of the league believes in the Lions. Do

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Speaker 2: I am as long as the expectations are ten to

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Speaker 2: it's pretty clear. When he has a clean pocket and protection,

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Speaker 2: And so there's a way. Great quarterbacks don't have to

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Speaker 2: this team allows him to play the way. He's very

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I like the expectations too. Ten eleven wins, we start

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Speaker 4: Justin Fields. Everybody's talking about him. Well, Justin Fields take

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Speaker 1: Is that enough?

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Speaker 4: Are we ready to finally see Justin Fields from Ohio State?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he'll be a hit because they were

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Speaker 2: He's going to get much more support yards after the catch.

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Speaker 2: That's what makes Kansas City in San Francisco so good.

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Speaker 2: he was asked to do way too much last year.

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Speaker 2: really good pickup Claypool. I'm hitting miss on. DJ Moore's

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Speaker 2: I think if you look at his splits last year,

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Speaker 4: Erickson. Your thoughts on fields here and now we've had

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Speaker 5: I do you know last year he's QB six and

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Speaker 5: Get completions when you're throwing to Chase Claypool who's just

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Speaker 5: have darn all Right added to the offensive line. I

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Speaker 5: think that he's set for stardom in year three, specifically

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, certainly the rushing equity off the charts. We saw

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Speaker 4: that run was just spectacular. Let's go to another one too,

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Speaker 4: last year, feel good story, Colin. I love feel good stories.

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Speaker 4: The problem is sometimes they don't always last. Can Gino

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Speaker 4: good from a fancy perspective, and let's be honest, from

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm split on it. The old line young

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Speaker 2: and said, you know what, Gino needs a running back,

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Speaker 3: It's a little like.

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Speaker 2: Dak Prescott or Kirk Cousins. With a run game, with support,

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Speaker 2: they can manage you to a lot of wins. They

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Speaker 2: similar to last year. Passer rating last year was near

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Speaker 2: You know they can win, they can't carry He can win.

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Speaker 2: It's Kirk Cousins is very much in that. But they

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Speaker 4: And you got to have that offensive line ready to

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Speaker 4: want to ask you this one here. This is a

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Speaker 4: is a fun Jet question. You know, we keep talking

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Speaker 4: Is Aaron Rodgers really the only thing that Jets need

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Speaker 4: twenty ninth the points last year. Put Aaron Rodgers there

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Speaker 3: I think in theory it makes sense. You know why

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Speaker 5: They wanted to get the veteran quarterback in the building

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Speaker 5: to upgrade, pairing him with his elite defense. But the

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Speaker 5: the New York Jets. Offensive line issues on the New

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Speaker 5: You have a you know, Aaron Rodgers is no spring

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Speaker 5: We saw him get banged up a little bit last

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Speaker 5: there's potential issues here. So they need good Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 5: sure of him at this age. He hasn't passed for

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Speaker 5: AFC East, and I bet the under on their protective

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Colin, I want to ask you about the Jets

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean there's a lot of blinking red

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Speaker 2: Andy Reid bailed on Micole Hardman. The tight end position

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Speaker 2: Does that sound like an AFC championship team, Like there's

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Speaker 2: year may not be the play in New York and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the defense certainly on the Jets size working in

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Speaker 4: Let's get to another burning question here for the NFL season.

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Speaker 4: This is a fun one here, Colin, is Jordan Love

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Speaker 4: the next great Packer quarterback? And this historic run that

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Speaker 4: It's only preseason, but I'm sure people all over Chicago

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Speaker 2: The question is there's a lot of boxes he checks.

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Speaker 4: When we're talking about the athleticism of Jordan love Too

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Speaker 4: that mean from a fancy perspective, because I know we

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Speaker 4: have expectations they're going to rely heavily on that run

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Speaker 4: game that Colin was talking about with AJ Dillon and

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Speaker 4: of course Aaron Jones. But Christian Watson's a piece that

432
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Speaker 4: is coming relatively cheap still in drafts, and that guy

433
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Speaker 4: is a huge playmaker. I know there's still some questions

434
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Speaker 4: about the consistency, but we saw the playmaking ability, we

435
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Speaker 4: saw the speed. We saw you could change a game.

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Speaker 4: Is he somebody fantasy you're investing in twenty three?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I love Christian Watson and the fact that Christian

438
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Speaker 5: Watson can also He's a dual threat in terms of

439
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Speaker 5: he can win after the catch, so he can take

440
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Speaker 5: a screen or a slant to the house, and he

441
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Speaker 5: can also win downfield, which takes advantage of Jordan Love's

442
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Speaker 5: big arm. So Jordan Love's moving around the pocket making

443
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Speaker 5: off script plays. I think Christian Watson is going to

444
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Speaker 5: be that guy that delivers splash plays down right.

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Speaker 4: Now, here's a fun one, Andrew, I'm going to give

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Speaker 4: you a shot at this one. First because we had

447
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Speaker 4: this conversation on betting pros. I've had it with a

448
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Speaker 4: bunch of people. I've already made an investment, and it

449
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Speaker 4: seems to be the one where everybody's got a different answer.

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Speaker 4: Who's going to win the NFC South? Andrew, go ahead,

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Speaker 4: I'm going with the Atlanta Falcons.

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Speaker 5: You know, Arthur Smith has hand picked top ten overall

453
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Speaker 5: offensive players are running back, wide, receiver, tight end of

454
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Speaker 5: our last three seasons, got pits. London Bijon defense has

455
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Speaker 5: added the key players through free agency and the NFL

456
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Speaker 5: Draft with their siteset on winning now, Like people are

457
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Speaker 5: joining this defense because they're not rebuild. Like Kalays Campbell

458
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Speaker 5: bringing him in, he wanted to come to the Falcons

459
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Speaker 5: because I think this team can win. And when you

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Speaker 5: look at the division they play in, it's the worst

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Speaker 5: division in all football. So I think that the Falcons

462
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Speaker 5: can run the table here. I'm not afraid of Derek Carr. Like,

463
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Speaker 5: if it's Derek Carr and the Saints that is the

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Speaker 5: biggest thing standing between the Falcons and NFC South title,

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Speaker 5: I'll take that all day. So for me all to see,

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Speaker 5: the question mark comes around Desmond Ridder entering year two.

467
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Speaker 5: But I think in a similar way to a Jordan

468
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Speaker 5: Love where he's all he needs to do is facilitate

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Speaker 5: an offense with all these skill players around him, similar

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Speaker 5: to a Ryan Tannehill that Arthur Smith had so much

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Speaker 5: success with in Tennessee. So Ridder wasn't a perfect prospect

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Speaker 5: coming out of Cincinnati, but the one thing that he

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Speaker 5: did do was win games. Third most wins by quarterback

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Speaker 5: in college football history including NFL and college Ridder is

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Speaker 5: twenty eight And oh at home the Atlanta Falcons open

476
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Speaker 5: the season at home Panthers and Packers. They're starting to

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Speaker 5: and oh, so I'm back in the Falcons.

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Speaker 4: What a fun meetingless trend that you threw out there,

479
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Speaker 4: as if that somehow means anything for anything. Look, I'm

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Speaker 4: already investing in the Falcons, but it's mostly a Bjon

481
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Speaker 4: Robinson reason. Like that's the whole point that I keep making,

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Speaker 4: Like this, as a head coach knows how to run

483
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Speaker 4: the FOOTBA wants to run a fooball needs to run

484
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Speaker 4: the football in an offensive line. They got Tyler alger

485
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Speaker 4: over a thousand yards last year. Yeah, Colin, there's some

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Speaker 4: questions here about this division. So when you look at

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Speaker 4: it from your perspective, who do you think is really

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Speaker 4: the front runner in the NFC South, because once again

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Speaker 4: last year it was disappointing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Derek Carr is the best proven quarterback.

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Speaker 2: The Saints, I think have the best roster. That's probably

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Speaker 2: where i'd lean their schedules a week A lot of

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Speaker 2: betters like Atlanta Arthur Smith, good Old, underrated o line,

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Speaker 2: a lot of first round tight end running back players.

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Speaker 2: So I think in a league that has pivoted in

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Speaker 2: the last eight to nine years to offense, they've got

497
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Speaker 2: really high end offensive players with a very nice offensive line.

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Speaker 2: I don't know anything about Desmond Ritter. I watched them

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Speaker 2: in college too, So I mean I would probably go

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Speaker 2: Car in the Saints roster. But there is no proof

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Speaker 2: that the head coach of the Saints is more than

502
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Speaker 2: a defensive coordinator bombed with the Raiders, and I mean

503
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Speaker 2: Sean Payton to him was an ugly first year and

504
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Speaker 2: Sean Payton won with Bridgewater, Jamis Winston, Drew Brees, Taysom Hill.

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Speaker 2: So it's like I'm putting stock that the Saints coach

506
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Speaker 2: finds his he finds himself, he pivots, he somehow finds

507
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Speaker 2: this magic, but there's no proof it's true. Atlanta is

508
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Speaker 2: so hot with all the betters. Sometimes you have to

509
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Speaker 2: acknowledge I didn't see it, so I still have a

510
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Speaker 2: week or two to make my picks Atlanta. I really

511
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 2: thought Carolina would be interesting, but they have been so

512
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Speaker 2: overwhelmed up front offensively in two games. I mean it's

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Speaker 2: not even It's like, oh my god, this is potentially

514
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Speaker 2: Bryce Young small a disaster. So I think Atlanta is

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Speaker 2: with the smart money. That's where the smart money's going.

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Speaker 2: But I'm not smart money. I'd go Saints.

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Speaker 4: Well, now I feel even smarter money because now you're

518
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Speaker 4: talking about everybody else in it, and I'm mean it,

519
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Speaker 4: and Andrews, that's good. We feel good. Let's leave on

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Speaker 4: that high note. And I'm glad to brought up the

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Speaker 4: offensive line. Is he there, Carolina, because that's another thing

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Speaker 4: too that really starts to concern me. That size of

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Speaker 4: Bryce Young concerned me anyway. And if you can't not

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Speaker 4: protect this that you have to protect him more than

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Speaker 4: you would your normal quarterback. If you were going to

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Speaker 4: keep this kid upright and playing seventeen games in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: All right, you know him you have to. It's essential.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Clark, senior football writer, analyst at The Ringer, host

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Speaker 2: of the Slow news Day podcast, a friend of the Herd.

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna throw something at you. Years ago, I'm

531
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Speaker 2: not sure who said this. It could have been Jerry Seinfeld,

532
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 2: he talked about He called it the comedy jet stream Seattle, Minneapolis, Boston,

533
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: like New York, this Northeast sort of maybe a little

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Speaker 2: higher brow, sort of a lot of times you know

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Speaker 2: this educated understanding. We get the joke. And I think

536
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Speaker 2: it was Seinfeld or somebody said people are funnier in

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Speaker 2: places where the weather's lousey because life's too easy. It's

538
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Speaker 2: life's too easy in Miami, Tampa and Phoenix, right, it's

539
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: always sunny. And so I've always had a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a theory that in the North Northern football team Chicago, Baltimore, Philadelphia,

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Speaker 2: New York, even the Giants teams, the Parcels teams, you

542
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 2: know that very successful Super Bowl, they were tough. Phil McConkey,

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Speaker 2: Mark Bavaro and Chicago. I always think about this. It's

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Speaker 2: almost hard to explain how Chicago can never have had

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Speaker 2: a great quarterback. It doesn't mean it's ridiculous and you

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Speaker 2: think to yourself why. And my theory is that some

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Speaker 2: of these kind of cold weather towns they have romanticized defense, yes, toughness,

548
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Speaker 2: and it's not that. And I think Chicago's had multiple

549
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Speaker 2: options in their franchise history to draft a quarterback and

550
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Speaker 2: they went for the rush end or the Mike linebacker,

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Speaker 2: and that it's a somewhat but explainable why Chicago. I

552
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Speaker 2: can't even name their best receiver ever al Sean Jeffrey

553
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: like it's it's you know. So my takeaway is when

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Speaker 2: I look at Chicago this year, we may finally have

555
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Speaker 2: a dynamic quarterback for the Bears. I'm hoping so. But

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Speaker 2: that's my theory on the Bears' inability to land one

557
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 2: great quarterback. Ever, is it horseshit? Do you buy it?

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Speaker 1: I'd buy it? First of all, do you know who

559
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Speaker 1: the single season passing leader is the Chicago Bears all

560
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Speaker 1: time currently twenty twenty three, Johnny Lujack, It's Eric Kramer

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five three eight hundred and thirty eight yards.

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Speaker 1: They have never had a four thousand yard passer in

563
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Speaker 1: an era where you can accidentally do that going you

564
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Speaker 1: can walk to the gas station in the NFL right

565
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Speaker 1: now and accidentally pick up a four thousand yard season.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's like asking a town if you have

567
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Speaker 1: indoor plumbing, have you had a four thousand yard quarterback?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's really easy to do in this and

569
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Speaker 1: the fact that the Bears haven't done it is stunning.

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Speaker 1: Dustin Fields, by the way, came out and said he

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Speaker 1: will be the first four thousand yard quarterback over the

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Speaker 1: season on podcast. Maybe that was tongue in cheek. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, but I would hope. So there's a high

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Speaker 1: floor here. I interviewed Justin Fields a couple of months ago.

575
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Speaker 1: I said, does it put more pressure on you the

576
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Speaker 1: fact that there have been these big misses and they

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Speaker 1: passed on Patrick Mahomes, Deshaun Watson, all these guys who

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Speaker 1: could have been quote unquote franchise saviors. And he said,

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Speaker 1: it's not my fault that this happened. And I thought

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Speaker 1: that was exactly the way to do it. And I

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Speaker 1: think he liked his expectations. He said to me that,

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Speaker 1: however high the fans expectations are his or higher, which

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Speaker 1: I think is the exact way to do it. And

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Speaker 1: there's a floor here that I think that people say, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: Luke gets you in the offensive staff, they've got a lot,

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Speaker 1: a lot of work to do, and I say, no,

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Speaker 1: it's just the opposite. There was a stat last year

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Speaker 1: Colin that blew my mind, which is his consecutive games

589
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Speaker 1: with fifty yards and a touchdown of rushing was the

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Speaker 1: most since Gail Sayers. Okay, Gail Sayers.

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Speaker 3: There's a name that.

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Speaker 1: Actually was good in their past. And when you have

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Speaker 1: that kind of production on the rushing side, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: take much to open up those passing ways. I think

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Speaker 1: we're going to see a massive step forward. I think

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Speaker 1: that we're going to see an improved team. And I

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Speaker 1: was joking with you a couple of weeks ago where

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Speaker 1: some people saying, oh, in the first preseason game, he

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Speaker 1: just gave the bald to Herbert and to DJ more

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Speaker 1: than they did the work. Yeah. Good, that's the point.

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Speaker 1: That's the point of a Ryan pol has been able

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Speaker 1: to do. The rosters much improved. They had a bunch

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Speaker 1: of money to spend, they spent it. So I'm expecting

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Speaker 1: a lot. I totally agree with your theory that I

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Speaker 1: remember being at a being in a Miami Notre Dame

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Speaker 1: game at Soldier Field, which I don't really want to

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00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: bring up because Miami lost by five touchdowns. But they

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Speaker 1: as they want to do in the Al Golden Era.

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Speaker 1: But I remember just some random Bears fan at the

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Speaker 1: concession stand just arguing about whether or not the eighty

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Speaker 1: five Bears defense was the best of all time. That's

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Speaker 1: their identity. That's what Bears fans want to do. They

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Speaker 1: never want to talk about the quarterback. They always want

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Speaker 1: to talk. As you said, they want Khalil Mack in

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Speaker 1: the first round. They want that kind of guy, the

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Speaker 1: big Beefer. They want Mike Didka calling into local radio

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Speaker 1: shows and saying, here's what we're going to do. When

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Speaker 1: you have those sort of voices, they never really go away.

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Speaker 1: You see that all the time. In the opposite. I

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00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: grew up in Florida. When the Dolphins have a good quarterback,

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Speaker 1: they immediately get Compton Marino. That's, in a weird way,

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Speaker 1: held them back. So I just think a team can

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Speaker 1: get buried under its own history, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: when you get in trouble sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, you know, when I look at

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Speaker 2: this league, it's really fundamentally to me, there's been a

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Speaker 2: cultural shift, and I've seen it in basketball where the

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Speaker 2: power forward went from essential to a complete liability on

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Speaker 2: the floor, like Tristan Thompson was valuable and you can't

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Speaker 2: play him in a three year period. In baseball, it

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Speaker 2: used to be Dave Kingman. You don't remember Dave probably

632
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Speaker 2: he was like a six six home run hitter who

633
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Speaker 2: struck out a bunch. He would be Cody Bellinger today.

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Speaker 2: He was viewed as a complete liability. Now it's the

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Speaker 2: ground ball. And in the NFL, if you look at

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Speaker 2: the top spending teams on defense, it's Buffalo, it's Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 2: it's the Chargers, it's these defensive coaches. And I've said

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Speaker 2: this before is you'd have to really convince me to

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Speaker 2: hire a defensive coach in the NFL. So you recently

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Speaker 2: did an article coming out on the Bengals, and it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: When everybody was bailing initially on Zach Taylor, my takeaway was, no,

642
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: it's the right side of the ball. You just can't

643
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: win in this league with an old Andy Dalton, whoever

644
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: it is, And the minute he gets Burrow, he completely

645
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: embraces him. Flores struggled with Tua, Simmer with Kirk Cousins,

646
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 2: Pete a little with Russell Belichick with Mac. I find

647
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 2: when the coach is offensive, there is a happier, more

648
00:33:54,320 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: joyful experience. Offense is celebrated, mistakes are tolerated. Like I feel,

649
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: the locker room feels different. What was your vibe from Cincinnati?

650
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable because it's not just Taylor, it's Burrow,

651
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: it's Brian Callahan, their coordinator, and there's no football ego

652
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: there and Colin We've talked about this before, but if

653
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: you're going to have a culture changer like Joe Burrow,

654
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: the number one step is to let him change the culture.

655
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: And there are coaches who would say, no, no, no, this

656
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: is my show. Sectator didn't do that. He adapted the

657
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: offense in myriad ways. I mean, at one point twenty nineteen,

658
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: some of the coaches are saying they're trying to run

659
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: the McVeigh outside z own stuff. They were terrible at it,

660
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: they gave up on it. Joe Burrow comes in and says,

661
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: you know what, we're going to do this, this, this, I

662
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: want to get five guys into routes. They said, great,

663
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: And what the piece that I did that I recorded

664
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: on I spent a long time talking to the coaches

665
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: and Tyler Boyd and tig into some of these guys

666
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: down in Cincinnati. Basically the angle was they've mastered the

667
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: easy play because last year, NFL defense is sold out

668
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: to take away the deep ball, and basically his deep

669
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: ball numbers were halved last year, went from thirteen touchdowns

670
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: to seven.

671
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 3: Guess what.

672
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: He was a great quarterback anyway, because there's no football

673
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: ego on that staff or even from Joe Burrow, and

674
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: I think that what's interesting is that modern defense dares

675
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: you to be uncool. They say, you know what, go

676
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: ahead and do whatever you want to do. But it's

677
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: going to be a checkdown to p Ryan, it's going

678
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: to be a checkdown to Joe Mixon, it's going to

679
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: be a checkdown to Hayden Hurst, and it's not going

680
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: to be a fifty yard bomb to Jamar Chase. And

681
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow said, deal, great, we're going to do it.

682
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: And that's why they were able to win last year,

683
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: especially after Week five. I basically had halftime of a

684
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: Week five game against Baltimore and they started to make

685
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: those changes. But that's not normal. Mahomes said. It took

686
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: him a couple of months to figure out to just

687
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: have that patience, have that foresight. And what Taylor told

688
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: me was basically, He'll check Burrow would check down and say,

689
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: you know what, I know, Jamar might be open fifty

690
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: yards down the field, doesn't matter because ten yards wide

691
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: open is great. He gasped. Buffalo like that with Hayden

692
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: Hurst and some of the backs out of the backfield,

693
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: they doubled their targets to running backs last year. And

694
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: I think what we're seeing is I thought Brian Callahan,

695
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: the OC, said something really interesting. He said, it's a

696
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: type of football maturity unfolding in front of our eyes.

697
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: It's just him saying this, this is what I have

698
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: in front of you this year. I'm not going to

699
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: force it. Even though I have the three, I have

700
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: the best receiving core in football, doesn't matter. I'm going

701
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: to let those guys run down field open up the

702
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: rest of the defense. For me, I think it's really

703
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: astounding because Colin, as you know, like when a young quarterback,

704
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: young quarterbacks almost like a boxer, right, their career changes

705
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,439
Speaker 1: so much from year to year. Style. You know, one

706
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: fight can change your entire trajectory all of this stuff,

707
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: and so to go through a year where you're not

708
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: doing the things that you're used to and you're not

709
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 1: going and the chemistry between Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow

710
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: is as good as any two young players have ever

711
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: seen in my entire life. And the stories that that

712
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: Chase told me last year about how Burrow will underthrow

713
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: a deep ball because he knows he can throw in

714
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: a double coverage and all of this stuff, it's crazy

715
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: and they said, you know what, I'm just not going

716
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: to do that this year. That to me is the

717
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: sign of a guy who's going to adapt every single

718
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: year of his career. And by the way, now that

719
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: he's successful for it, the deep ball opens back up

720
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: and that's the most amazing thing that they can do

721
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: it again. So the fact that Burrow's on the cutting

722
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 1: edge of this chess match shows me that not only

723
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: is Zach Taylor are a good coach now as Brian

724
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: Brian Callahan good oh SI, but the Joe Burrows capable

725
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: of anything on football fields.

726
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: So Steven A. Smith reported that Stefan Diggs wants out

727
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 2: and I've said there are two kind of quote what

728
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: you call diva receivers and you don't see it as

729
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 2: much today because I think there's so much money in it.

730
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 2: Players want to win games. They don't feel like they

731
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 2: constantly have to fight for the ball. The game's more

732
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: wide open. They get the ball. But there's like the

733
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 2: des Bryant, who was difficult from day one for Dak

734
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: Prescott was just loud. Now he was Jason Garrett once

735
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: told me he fought like hell to keep him because

736
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: he gave you eight to ten touchdowns. And then there's

737
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: the Randy Moss Steffon Diggs, which is they're highly productive

738
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: for three years and then it's their personality they want more.

739
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 2: Diggs has been targeted a lot, highly productive, it's just

740
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: his personality. And I've said I would go make the

741
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: move for Randy Moss in his peak, and I'd make

742
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: it for Stefan Diggs. I don't feel they're problematic. You

743
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 2: get three years of productivity and then their personality comes out.

744
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: I can live with that. In this league, three years

745
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: is forever. Legacy's are formed and so let's just play

746
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: the game. Stephen A. Smith says he's unhappy wants out.

747
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 2: If that's true, is there a team or two that

748
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: you just think of off the top of your head,

749
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: where you're like, gosh, they just I mean, I obviously

750
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 2: New England's clear, but I think they're trying to get

751
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: value on every offensive player and there's not a lot

752
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: of those with cap space, so you'd have to make

753
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: it work via some trade. Is there any place Diggs

754
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: would work to you? Wow, it's a great question because unfortunately,

755
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: if you take him away from his current team, one

756
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: of the best places it loves to go all in

757
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: right now is the Buffalo Bills. And then that's a

758
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: strange thing, right.

759
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: It's like if you were just saying taking the team

760
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: out of it, you know what the Bill is signed ball,

761
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: nobody which contract they've got, you know, certain cap situations

762
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: where they need to win right now. They're the kind

763
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: of team that does it. So he's unhappy there. He's

764
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: going to be unhappy in a lot of the places.

765
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: A couple other teams like they love making aggressive moves. Well,

766
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: they're full and wide receiver. They can't add another piece,

767
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: and so you get to kind of the dregs a

768
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: little bit, and he's going to go to a place.

769
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: Does a team with a bad quarterback when a trade

770
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: for Stefan Diggs. I don't think they do, so it

771
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: ends up being, you know, a couple of different places.

772
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: But I just don't I don't see a place where

773
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: he'd be happy. You know, does he want to go

774
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: and play you know, would he have taken the Chicago

775
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: Bears slot, you know, to be their star guy and

776
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: try to resurrect that I don't know. I mean, and

777
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: if it's if it's a quarterback you can't get in

778
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: the ball, does that make the expiration date on his

779
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: happiness that much shorter? And maybe it's a place like

780
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: Carolina if he wants to reboot and play with the quarterback.

781
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. But when you're going out of a

782
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: winning situation, there aren't a lot of options for you,

783
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 1: and the NFL is going to set your market pretty quickly.

784
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: And I think that, you know, Buffalo in general has

785
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: a lot of blow up potential, but they could also

786
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl, and I think I think there

787
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: are real questions. I was just listening to some of

788
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: their guys at the Athletic talk about how there's still

789
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: questions on the offensive line. Kyer Elam, who's the first

790
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: round pick from a year ago, is just not taking

791
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: the job. The way the coaches want. There's some real

792
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: holes in that roster, but then there's top, top, top

793
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: end talent, and that's why he need Stefon Diggs there.

794
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: If I'm Brandon Bean, I'm doing nothing to move Stefan Diggs.

795
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm not going to ask for a trade. I'm going

796
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: to try to do a last dance situation because you

797
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 1: need that top end, top end talent because you've missed

798
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: on a handful of big roster decisions in the last

799
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: couple of years, and you went all in maybe on

800
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: guys like Bond Miller we shouldn't have. And so if

801
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: I'm the Bills, I'm standing pat. I'm doing everything I can.

802
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: I'm putting it on Josh Allen to make it work.

803
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: Everybody needs to be happy because Stefan Diggs is a

804
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: type of talent you have to have if they're going

805
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: to win.

806
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 2: The team. I want to watch the most. And because

807
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: the NBA is very much about the shield and corporate

808
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: it's not a drama league, right Like in the NBA,

809
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 2: A lot of times you don't care about the team,

810
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 2: but the story's good, you know, Like KD leaves Westbrook,

811
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 2: Westbrook wins the MVP, good story. You know, can the

812
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: Philadelphia seventy six ers finally win and get to a

813
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: second playoff series? The story's better than the team. Right

814
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: in the NFL, I just kind of like winners. I

815
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 2: do think the Broncos with Peyton and Russell Wilson, I

816
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: think it's the best story because if it doesn't work,

817
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 2: they're kind of ft. I mean because Russell, I mean,

818
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: Josh Allen's cap hit next year and you can manipulate it.

819
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: By the time it arrives, it's gonna be like eighteen

820
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: percent of the cap for the Bills. Like they have

821
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 2: to win now. They can't screw around with Stefan Diggs.

822
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: Like the reason the Dolphins are interested in Jonathan Taylor

823
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 2: is like two is only four and a half percent

824
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 2: of the cap. Dack's twelve, right, Josh Allen's gonna be

825
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: eighteen and a half. They have to win this year.

826
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 2: So I think that's really interesting the drama around Buffalo.

827
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: But I also think it's there's a weird thing in sports.

828
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 2: If you ask how many players believe in God, it

829
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: would be ninety percent. But Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, and

830
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson wear it on their sleeve, and a lot

831
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: of people view like Russell as inauthentic, and I'm like,

832
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: you know, he's very religious, great conviction. I always thought

833
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 2: that's just who he is. Now people say Kirk Cousins

834
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: is soft and corny, and I'm like, he's a family man,

835
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: he's religious, It's who he is. I've had two different

836
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: raiders say, you know, Derek Carr wore some guys out,

837
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: and I'm like, who he is. You know, he's a

838
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 2: man of faith. And I asked Kevin Clark this yesterday.

839
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: Do you view russ as inauthentic or just religious?

840
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 3: I view him as inauthentic, but I've talked to enough

841
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 3: people that is he's kind of robotic. So this version

842
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 3: that everyone makes fun of is actually who he was.

843
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: Because you know, I would say the thing that I

844
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 3: value the most in any human being is just be yourself, right.

845
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 3: It's why I think you know, people in the medium

846
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 3: were in having the most success or the most honest

847
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,959
Speaker 3: and just act like you, don't pretend to be something

848
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 3: they're not, can just be very authentic to themselves whether

849
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 3: you agree with them or not. And I think Russell

850
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 3: comes off too often, or at least has I haven't

851
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 3: been locked into all his press conferences. Sean Payton got there,

852
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 3: but it's just kind of a phony. And you know,

853
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 3: I heard a story once that he had a golf

854
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 3: tournament and invited everyone to the golf tournament. Right, everyone

855
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 3: at the golf tournament was an invitation from him. So

856
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 3: he knows a lot of performer players, coaches, whoever, and

857
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 3: he had security when he showed up. So there's an

858
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 3: element like one of the things that Patrick Mahomes, you know,

859
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 3: Farv had this forever. I think Peyton and Tom were

860
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 3: the biggest stars that kind of were able to play

861
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 3: both sides of the fence perfectly on this as they

862
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 3: always felt one of the guys right. Tom always felt

863
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 3: like even though ironically he was a health nut, could

864
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 3: drink beers right, slam cheeseburgers with his offensive lineman. Same

865
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 3: with Peyton. You know, you go back throughout the history

866
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 3: of the quarterback position. Joe Montana was friends with all

867
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 3: his teammates. Now, I also think that players, if you

868
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 3: are true to yourself, like Derek Carr is married, he's

869
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 3: got four kids. Kirk Cousins is very very religious, so

870
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 3: it is Derek if they think that you're being authentic

871
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 3: about it. I don't think it bothers guys deep down,

872
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 3: especially if you're playing well. I think once you get

873
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 3: the poor play and you have the weirdness. Because I

874
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 3: remember when I was scouting, I ran into a dude

875
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 3: from Denver and they had just signed Peyton Manning, or

876
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 3: maybe it was during the season, so Peyton had been

877
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 3: there for a while and he was like, Peyton's a

878
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 3: lot man. We had to dedicate a couple of scouts

879
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: for him. He got his own office. So all this

880
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 3: stuff last year with Russell Wilson they had done before.

881
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,959
Speaker 3: Well what happened Peyton got there, superstar MVP. They start kicking.

882
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 3: No one cares. Peyton was not easy to work with, right,

883
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 3: but when you're winning, when you're playing at a high level,

884
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 3: and everyone knew they needed Peyton more than probably he

885
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 3: needed them. He could have gone a bunch of places.

886
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 3: I think last year Russell everyone opened their arms immediately.

887
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 3: And then he started playing poorly, and then the story

888
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: started leaking about you know, him making the Seattle It

889
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 3: just imploded, and I've seen Nathaniel Hackett over his head.

890
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 3: But and I heard you talking about this, and I

891
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 3: agree He's definitely slimmer. He moved better the other night

892
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 3: against the forty nine ers. But the pressure, I think

893
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 3: the pressure on him and the pressure on Rogers every

894
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 3: game is gonna be just treated probably five x most

895
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 3: of these other games. Just part of it has to

896
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 3: do with who they are, how famous they are, how

897
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 3: much money they make the trades, how much power they

898
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 3: have over coaches and owners. It is just you don't

899
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 3: see it very often these Hall of Fame quarterbacks. I mean,

900
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 3: Rogers is older, but Russell in his prime. I mean,

901
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 3: that's what makes the Pete Carroll angle. So are they

902
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: just going to be really good? Is Pete just gonna

903
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 3: win this trade seamlessly? I know that in Jigbud got

904
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 3: hurt today, but obviously if they're healthy, Seattle's gonna be

905
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 3: good again. We don't know. I mean, Denver easily could

906
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 3: be seven and ten. Pete goes ten and seven. He's

907
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 3: in the playoffs, Like, I'm sorry he wins the trade.

908
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 2: Well, I think here's here's my take is that if

909
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 2: you look at Aaron Rodgers and the Jets and Russell

910
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 2: Wilson with Denver's there's a lot of similarities. They're both

911
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 2: in the AFC. They're both in good divisions, they're both veterans,

912
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 2: they both have you know, declining athleticism, but both still

913
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 2: good athletes, and they're both going to get a lot

914
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 2: of Hall of Fame votes. Both have a new coach,

915
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 2: both have I would say intense coaches. Peyton and Salah

916
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 2: are intense coaches, and there's pressure on both. This is

917
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: where Russell's optimism could be very beneficial. I think at

918
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 2: his core, Aaron's more agnostic. Aaron's more cynical, a bit

919
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 2: more snarky. I think that's who he is at his core,

920
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: a little bit more of a hipster. That's who he is,

921
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: and that's okay. I can be a little bit too snarky,

922
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: and so I think when Fit hits the shan, aarons

923
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 2: who he is is a little cynical and a little snarky.

924
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: I think when Fit hits the shan, for Russell, he

925
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: tends to be optimistic and we'll get through this. And

926
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 2: I do think that placebo effect, the power of the mind,

927
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 2: is valuable. And I do think they're gonna have both

928
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: of these quarterbacks this year. John are gonna have turbulence

929
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 2: and what I know, you know, Russell will be highly optimistic.

930
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 2: If they're five and five, we're gonna get through this.

931
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 2: There's a brighter day, that's the messaging. If the Jets

932
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: are five and five, there's a chance Aaron bails on

933
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: his right tackle who can't protect him.

934
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 3: Colin. That could happen like week one. The difference, too,

935
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 3: is in Denver, the head coach is going nowhere right.

936
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 3: I mean he's on scholarship for a while. He's the boss, Aaron.

937
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 3: Let's just say it's always easy in football, probably more

938
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 3: than any other sport. Things are so optimistic in general

939
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 3: in the offseason and then in training camp, and then

940
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it's middle of September, y're zero

941
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 3: to two when things are getting tight, and listen, I

942
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 3: was a big believer in the Jets, and then I'm

943
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 3: not trying to do all my scouting on hard knocks.

944
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 3: But their offensive line is a desire right now? Can

945
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 3: they make up for with an elite defense? Like if

946
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 3: they're the number one defense and Rogers just understands how

947
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 3: to kind of manipulate it all. But that's probably still

948
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 3: best case nine or ten, not thirteen or fourteen. You

949
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 3: cannot if your offensive line is bottom ten in the league.

950
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 3: I don't care. If you've got Montana Rogers manning in there,

951
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: probably that's a problem, right, And they got to figure

952
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 3: that out. And I'm sure they are going to be

953
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 3: claiming guys off the waiver. They're willing to make trades.

954
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 3: But that that is to me, the current biggest problem

955
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 3: for all a team that has the upside. If they

956
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 3: had a good offensive line, I think everyone would pick

957
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 3: them to be like an AFC contentment, Yeah, a real yeah, right,

958
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 3: But if Rogers, who I was reading Peter King earlier,

959
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 3: he's the oldest quarterback in the NFL by a pretty

960
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 3: wide margin, right, He's about to turn forty. All the

961
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 3: other guys, even the older guys Cousins and Daniel they're

962
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 3: thirty five. It's Russell thirty three to thirty four. That's

963
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 3: a pretty big gap. When we had a long stretch,

964
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 3: you know, with the Eli, the Carson Palmers, the Peyton

965
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 3: Manage the Obviously Tom's a little bit of an outlier,

966
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 3: but guy Roethlisberger got Drew Brees thirty nine, and there

967
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 3: are a ton of them now, he clearly is the oldest,

968
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 3: and let's face it, and I don't blame him, and

969
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 3: he saw this definitely last year with Tom and I

970
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 3: think he kind of saw it for two years without.

971
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 3: You don't want to get a hit anymore. You check

972
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 3: your bank account, you got you know, nine figures, you're

973
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 3: already a Hall of Famer. You want to win. But

974
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 3: there is a level of I'm not going to get

975
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 3: I'm not going to play like Archie Manning here and

976
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 3: just get driven into the ground. Every play right, and

977
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 3: you already kind of you know, if you watch Hard

978
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 3: Knocks episode two, Rogers's and I don't blame him, I

979
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 3: mean the offensive line, this is the pros. The expectations

980
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 3: are high. We've invested a lot, we've we've drafted guys,

981
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 3: but if they're not good enough. The thing in the NFL,

982
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 3: this is not the NBA where you kind of suck.

983
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 3: You will just bench a guy, you will remove a guy,

984
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 3: You'll move other guys through. But that is that's probably

985
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 3: the hardest position group to just running backs. I can

986
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 3: rotate wide receivers, I can rotate DB's offensive line. If

987
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 3: you've got a constant rotation, you probably got a you know,

988
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 3: tire fire in well and the other thing.

989
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 2: And I'm not a psychologist. But there is a reality

990
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 2: is that if you're married, you have kids, your life's

991
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 2: a series of sacrifices. I know, I live in that tunnel,

992
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 2: you know, Aaron's and Kevin Durant, never married, no kids.

993
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 2: He kind of gets his way a lot, right, so

994
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 2: you know when when again, when stuff unravels for me,

995
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 2: I got kids, I got a wife. I make sacrifices daily.

996
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 2: It's just part of my existence. But you know, Eran's

997
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 2: in that Durant tunnel where it's rich. He's the son

998
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 2: in his galaxy, kind of gets his way, wants to

999
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,919
Speaker 2: take a nap, wants to go on a hunting trip,

1000
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 2: fishing trip. I had this thing years ago. I told

1001
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 2: a scout, I like my quarterbacks married, and he joked

1002
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 2: about it. He said, there's value in this is because

1003
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 2: when you're married, you get very responsible, very quickly. You

1004
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 2: have to learn to compartmentalize your life. School with the kids,

1005
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 2: recital practice, film, he goes. Single guys don't have to

1006
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 2: compartmentalize stuff. It all MUSHes together. What do I feel

1007
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 2: like doing whatever I want to do? And I said,

1008
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 2: I think quarterback being married. You know, most of the

1009
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 2: great ones, even ones that drove me nuts, Big Ben. Sometimes.

1010
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 2: He was married, he had kids, He had sort of

1011
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 2: a hierarchy of things, you know, a pattern of life.

1012
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 2: And I guess my point is, if shit goes sideways

1013
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 2: for Aaron, it didn't a lot in Green Bay. Most

1014
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 2: of it was Aaron inflicted and Aaron created. I mean,

1015
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 2: no chaos front office, good offensive lines, never whipped on drafts.

1016
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: Media was kind of in a sidecar. You know, they

1017
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,919
Speaker 2: were your buddy. What I mean. The turbulence for Aaron

1018
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 2: in Green Bay was kind of Aaron created. He's never

1019
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 2: had it land in his lap, not of his own creation.

1020
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think there's definitely something to the

1021
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 3: way the scouting community, but just human beings, right, A

1022
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 3: lot of guys, even if you are career driven. I know,

1023
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 3: for me, up until about my mid thirties, I was

1024
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 3: always like, you know, no serious relationships. Last I'd say

1025
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 3: three or four years, I've been in two serious relationships,

1026
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 3: and I've gotten better at every aspect of my life.

1027
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 3: I've had to give up things that I used to

1028
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 3: be able to do. But you become more balanced, you

1029
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 3: become more relying on other people, they become more relyant

1030
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 3: on you. You drop bad habits, and like you said,

1031
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 3: Tom Brady when he played the best football of his

1032
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 3: life when he got married Gazelle for the next whatever decade, right,

1033
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 3: Peyton was married the whole time. So I think part

1034
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 3: of this just gets back to the Jets are just

1035
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 3: a not the most consistent organization and they have and

1036
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 3: this gets back to the difference between Sean Payton and Russell.

1037
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 3: Like this, if it doesn't go well, Robert Saul is

1038
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 3: going to get fired, right, Joe Douglas is in major trouble.

1039
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 3: That's just the way the sport works, right. If Aaron

1040
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 3: were to want them gone, they would go. This is

1041
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 3: where the other problem is, Like he's got way more

1042
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 3: juice than anyone in the organization now, and he's shown

1043
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 3: before he can be a little selfish, and he's doing

1044
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 3: all the right things. I am throw what we've seen

1045
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 3: out of Rogers. Clearly he's going above and beyond eating

1046
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 3: lunch with all these different guys every single day, coaching

1047
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 3: the defensive acts up like I think he understands it.

1048
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 3: But like you said earlier, it's easy to do when

1049
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 3: everything's going well off season, start one to three and

1050
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 3: everyone talking shit about you everywhere. You look, because all

1051
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 3: of a sudden you start slowing the AFC. There is

1052
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 3: no making up for it, right none. The volume