Speaker 1: Smell us Now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia Metter podcast.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain Time.
Speaker 2: That's one pm for our friends in Simpsonville, Kentucky on
Speaker 2: Thursday May twenty ninth, and we're live for Mediater HQ
Speaker 2: and Bozeman. I'm your host, Spencer, joined today by Cal
Speaker 2: and Brody. On today's show, we'll talk to Ellen and
Speaker 2: her mushroom hunting dog, Noodle. Then we'll find out how
Speaker 2: much Cal and Brody know about their fellow outdoorsman with
Speaker 2: a game of meat poll. After that, we've got one
Speaker 2: minute fishing with Christine Fisher in Oklahoma, followed by an
Speaker 2: interview with brock Wall about the newly formed North American
Speaker 2: Pronghorn Founder. And finally we've got a hot tip off
Speaker 2: with a special guest judge about parenting in the outdoors. First,
Speaker 2: Cow Brody, I don't want a hunting update. I don't
Speaker 2: want a fishing update from you guys. I want a
Speaker 2: garden update. How the garden's looking.
Speaker 3: Garden's in, I mean it's early right.
Speaker 2: Mm hm. What's going to be different this year? Brody?
Speaker 3: We do something different every year. I let the boys pick.
Speaker 3: We're doing some corn this year, which will be new
Speaker 3: for us.
Speaker 2: Okay, that was of interest to them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what they wanted.
Speaker 2: What you leave behind to I just like.
Speaker 3: Buying the six dollars, like six for three dollars, you know,
Speaker 3: pack of corn at the grocery store. Okay, but yeah,
Speaker 3: standard stuff, tomatoes, cucumbers, strawberries, pole beans, lots of herbs,
Speaker 3: just standard stuff.
Speaker 2: Feeling optimistic this year?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, man, I grow an awesome garden everythore.
Speaker 2: It doesn't like just go to hell when you leave
Speaker 2: for a week to go fishing at Fort Pack or something.
Speaker 3: No, no, I just water the shit out of it
Speaker 3: and then put malts down and it's good, like as
Speaker 3: long as it's later. If you did that this time
Speaker 3: of year, you'd beat trouble. But in August.
Speaker 2: It's cal Give us a garden update. How are things looking.
Speaker 1: We had a real serious talk, the lady and I
Speaker 1: and and came to the conclusion that it's just not
Speaker 1: worth doing a garden this year.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, because of lots.
Speaker 1: Of overlapping travel like nobody and you know, it's just
Speaker 1: not a high producer anyway with our setup. So we
Speaker 1: have garlic and onions. Okay, yeah, but I my mom
Speaker 1: is if anybody needs a sweet little farm outside of
Speaker 1: the Billings, Montana area. The folks are selling out ninety
Speaker 1: acres irrigated right outside of Shepherd. It's a sweet spot.
Speaker 1: Kill geese there all the time.
Speaker 2: How many trees around this property?
Speaker 4: Trees?
Speaker 1: Yeah, tree stands, well, a bunch of cottonwoods okay, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh and would they fit it with a tree stand
Speaker 2: fit in one of them? Oh yeah, okay yeah.
Speaker 1: And you you would attract wildlife because it is like
Speaker 1: zero habitat anywhere around there because it is just wall
Speaker 1: the wall farming good sales. But yeah, great spot. And
Speaker 1: if it wasn't just weren't so many people, I'd might
Speaker 1: be buying that thing. Anyway. She's got a tremendous garden,
Speaker 1: always has.
Speaker 2: And comes with the farm, comes with the farm.
Speaker 1: And now it's it's pretty funny because it's just like
Speaker 1: all the volunteer stuff that's coming up. And so we
Speaker 1: picked cilantro and let us and uh hit the asparagus patch.
Speaker 1: And this is where the conflict comes in. Well, we're
Speaker 1: pulling asparagus right because I'm like, yeah, you guys aren't
Speaker 1: place is gonna sell okay, and pulling asparagus, and my
Speaker 1: Mom's like, what the hell are you doing? You gotta
Speaker 1: cut that off beneath the soil line.
Speaker 2: Or it won't grow back, okay.
Speaker 1: And I was kind of like, well, you guys are leaving,
Speaker 1: what's the anyway? But then hop on a plane, go
Speaker 1: to Wisconsin, see bubbly Doug. And out there at the
Speaker 1: Durham farm they have a tremendous asparagus patch. And I
Speaker 1: notice that Doug's lovely wife, Trish aka Trish the Dish
Speaker 1: as I like to call her, who else nobody. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to establish it though, And I mean, she is
Speaker 1: such a sweet person that I just try to make
Speaker 1: sure that that Doug knows that as well, and he does.
Speaker 1: But amazing asparagus patch and none of them are cut
Speaker 1: off low oh. And so I said, Trish, man, what's
Speaker 1: the what's the deal? Aren't you supposed to? And She's like, yep,
Speaker 1: you are. I just never do and look at the results.
Speaker 2: I just saw a Facebook argument about this, like last
Speaker 2: week about the same thing. Someone was mad at their
Speaker 2: neighbor for stealing from their ditch asparagus patch and doing
Speaker 2: it the wrong way. Well, not only were they thiefing it,
Speaker 2: but also those mf ors were doing it the wrong
Speaker 2: way by not taking it down to the soil. It
Speaker 2: seemed like in the comments, folks were mostly on their
Speaker 2: side saying you have to take it off below the soil,
Speaker 2: and then there were other people saying it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Never noticed the difference.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's foraging etiquette rules, right that we
Speaker 1: should all live by. Hmmm, because if done properly, it's
Speaker 1: going to be their year after year after year.
Speaker 2: You hear the same thing said with moral mushrooms. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that like you're supposed to cut instead of pull. That
Speaker 2: one is totally false.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all the stumps in the ground, you can.
Speaker 2: Pull those things right out of the ground. That's like
Speaker 2: plucking an apple off of a tree. You're not you're
Speaker 2: just taking the apple. Even if you pull the whole
Speaker 2: thing out, you're not taking the whole tree away. They're
Speaker 2: all that my celium underneath is still going to produce
Speaker 2: a mushroom if it wants to the next year. That
Speaker 2: little stump is going to help or hurt anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they they'll grow in clumps, right, So I've
Speaker 1: like gone back and picked the same spot. Sure, during
Speaker 1: that like that same like week long period of real
Speaker 1: fruit harvest, right, and have seeing plenty of mushrooms growing
Speaker 1: up next to stumps. But I know, I know, you're right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's hard to break that. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: also a little cleaner if you if you take the
Speaker 2: whole thing off, like if you if you pull it
Speaker 2: out of the ground, you're gonna get get in yeah,
Speaker 2: like five to ten percent more mushroom. But you may
Speaker 2: trim that off at home anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then in the bag that dirty stumps rolling around, Sure,
Speaker 1: and it's getting in the gills of the mushrooms, and
Speaker 1: it's just more clean.
Speaker 2: Plus you can look at it two ways. Either you
Speaker 2: are letting other folks know, because I'll come across someone
Speaker 2: else's morale stumps, which or damn it, they beat me here.
Speaker 1: It's like coming across a giant surface poop with tons
Speaker 1: of white flagging all over the place, or a.
Speaker 3: Big gut pile.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, fresh boot tracks that come in from some
Speaker 1: uh huh, you're the only truck at the trailhead. Yeah,
Speaker 1: snow on the ground to set the scene. Hell of
Speaker 1: a blizzard the night before, like everything's right. You're the
Speaker 1: first person there.
Speaker 3: One set of tracks, and you're like, that whole spot's blown.
Speaker 1: And for whatever reason, somebody hiked over the hill from
Speaker 1: a different angle and you cut boot tracks about it
Speaker 1: mile in yep, and you're just like, so.
Speaker 2: When I find those stumps, someone else has bested me.
Speaker 2: They've got me there, But now I know there were
Speaker 2: morales there. Yeah, so they're leaving me a little bit
Speaker 2: of information.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's like people who have to put a
Speaker 1: trail camera up everywhere.
Speaker 2: Speaking of foraging, let's get to our first interview. Joining
Speaker 2: us on the line now is Ellen and her mushroom
Speaker 2: hunting dog, Noodle. Ellen and Noodle, welcome to the show.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having us.
Speaker 2: First thing, Ellen tell us about Noodle. How old is she?
Speaker 2: What kind of dog is she? Where'd you get her?
Speaker 6: So?
Speaker 5: Noodle is four and a half years old. I got her. Actually,
Speaker 5: it was a long story of kind of fate how
Speaker 5: I ended up with her, but I ultimately picked her
Speaker 5: up at a children's rodeo in northern California.
Speaker 7: She's a half lab half.
Speaker 5: Border colleague, as far as I know, from an unwanted litter.
Speaker 2: Okay, and we can see Noodle. Noodle is with Ellen
Speaker 2: right now for the interview. You should go watch this episode.
Speaker 2: You'll get to see the dog we're talking about. Plus
Speaker 2: Phil Phil has some photos of Noodle forging. Now, how
Speaker 2: have you ever met another mushroom hunting dog in your life?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 5: I've spoken to a couple people online who are maybe
Speaker 5: training or trying to. And I actually used to live
Speaker 5: in Italy where a lot of people use truffle dogs.
Speaker 5: So I was inspired by that, Oh you want your ball, huh?
Speaker 5: And so that did inspire me. But I haven't met
Speaker 5: anybody in person yet. I'd love to meet up with
Speaker 5: somebody else who has a mushroom dog though.
Speaker 2: Okay, and how long has Noodle had this special talent?
Speaker 5: So I taught her about three years ago. She was
Speaker 5: a little over a year old when I first saw
Speaker 5: her first MOREL season.
Speaker 2: And tell us about the training process for teaching Noodle
Speaker 2: to find mushrooms.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so there's a lot of info out there on
Speaker 5: kind of proper scent training protocol. I'll just say I
Speaker 5: didn't do any of that. I just kind of winged
Speaker 5: it out in the woods.
Speaker 7: One day.
Speaker 5: I pointed to a Morrell and I just said, where's
Speaker 5: the mushroom? She sniffed it. I immediately threw a stick
Speaker 5: for her, because she is with dogs, she's just absolutely
Speaker 5: fetched crazy. She will die trying to get that ball.
Speaker 5: So I threw a stick for her. I called her
Speaker 5: back to the same morele, pointed at it through the
Speaker 5: stick again. Then I went to a third morel and
Speaker 5: she really, within fifteen minutes had just cracked the code.
Speaker 5: And she was off running two hundred feet away, just
Speaker 5: waiting for me to throw the ball for her.
Speaker 1: That's my labrador brain right there.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: What was the most challenging part of teaching Noodle to
Speaker 2: find mushrooms?
Speaker 5: You know, honestly, it was surprisingly easy. But I'd say
Speaker 5: at the beginning it was a little hard to get
Speaker 5: her to differentiate, okay, which mushrooms are good, which mushrooms
Speaker 5: are bad.
Speaker 7: But she did.
Speaker 5: I mean she figured it out quickly. It's like, if
Speaker 5: she sniffed the wrong kind of mushroom, I'm like, no,
Speaker 5: that's not a mushroom. You don't get a stick. So
Speaker 5: she figured it out fast.
Speaker 2: Now, in most videos I see Noodle finding morale mushrooms.
Speaker 2: What are the other good mushrooms that she'll help you find.
Speaker 5: So she has about seven varieties. We do morels. We
Speaker 5: taught her Chantrell's afterwards, then matsutake. We do Porcini handicaps.
Speaker 5: She taught herself, which was pretty annoying because Russia. She
Speaker 5: saw me collecting them and then she was like, I
Speaker 5: want to get in on this and started trampling them.
Speaker 5: But we also do black trumpets.
Speaker 2: If I didn't say that one, Okay, it sounds like
Speaker 2: Noodle has taught herself this skill for the most part. Now,
Speaker 2: how does she alert you when she finds a good mushroom?
Speaker 5: You know that position that dogs get in when they're
Speaker 5: waiting for you to throw the ball and they're kind
Speaker 5: of crouched down just at attention. She just crouches by
Speaker 5: the mushroom and gets that alert look on her face.
Speaker 5: And if I don't see it, I'll often say show me,
Speaker 5: and then she taps it with her nose, and if
Speaker 5: I really she thinks I'm being a total idiot and
Speaker 5: I really can't see it, he smacks it with her pot.
Speaker 7: Occasionally she knocks them out of the ground completely.
Speaker 2: That's awesome, extra helpful. Now you said the reward is
Speaker 2: throwing a stick or a ball, that's what you do.
Speaker 2: Every time she finds a good mushroom.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if it's a good one. If it's a little nasty,
Speaker 5: I say, ah, that's nasty, find another. Or if she's
Speaker 5: really found a cluster and she's going from mushroom to mushroom,
Speaker 5: I say, all right, you have to just lay down
Speaker 5: and wait for me to collect all of these and
Speaker 5: then you'll get your reward.
Speaker 2: That's great. Now morel's are not toxic for dogs. Does
Speaker 2: Noodle ever get to eat them or express any interest
Speaker 2: in eating them?
Speaker 5: Well, I will actually clarify that a bit, because while
Speaker 5: morals are not toxic, they're actually toxic raw and there
Speaker 5: was even a poisoning that included some deaths in the
Speaker 5: last few years, I believe in Montana. That's kind of
Speaker 5: highly debated in the mushroom world. But they are toxic
Speaker 5: raw for both humans and dogs. So always cook your
Speaker 5: morales super thoroughly. You basically can't overcook them, but don't
Speaker 5: eat them raw. I you know, she'll occasionally bite them
Speaker 5: or lick them. Really not much of a bite. She's
Speaker 5: not enough to eat anything. But I have her pretty
Speaker 5: well trained on not eating food that I don't want
Speaker 5: her to eat, So I haven't actually given her any
Speaker 5: mushrooms before. I don't really want to give her much
Speaker 5: of a taste for it. I've heard with truffle pigs
Speaker 5: one of the risks because they're not quite as trainable.
Speaker 5: They will bite the owner's hands or the trainer's hands
Speaker 5: while the trainer's harvesting in the truffle, so I want
Speaker 5: to avoid that more or less.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what has been Noodle's best ever day of forage?
Speaker 5: Gosh? I mean, that's a tough one. Every time she
Speaker 5: finds every time I train her in a new species.
Speaker 5: So I would say the second second species I taught
Speaker 5: her in was Chantrell's and it actually took her a
Speaker 5: lot longer than the morals. We went up to Mendocino
Speaker 5: and there's just it's such a rich diversity of fungal activity.
Speaker 5: There were so many mushrooms everywhere, so she was getting distracted.
Speaker 5: But when she finally pinpointed like, okay, these are the
Speaker 5: ones that she wants, doesn't want any of these other ones.
Speaker 5: We found over fifty pounds in like you know, an
Speaker 5: hour or two, and I sold some to a restaurant.
Speaker 7: It was great.
Speaker 5: So that was a highlight for sure, that is great.
Speaker 2: How is the moral season Ben for you so far
Speaker 2: this year in northern California.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been pretty hit or miss. I'd say we
Speaker 5: got hot, we don't. We didn't have great snowpack in
Speaker 5: the sierra this season. It dried up a little quickly.
Speaker 5: So my lower elevation spot's like three thousand and that range.
Speaker 5: The mid range really dried up fast, and then now
Speaker 5: we're having some I'm not having a bad season in
Speaker 5: the higher elevation.
Speaker 2: Okay, good. Good for you guys, Good for Noodle. If
Speaker 2: folks want to follow along with you in Noodle's mushroom
Speaker 2: hunting adventures, how can they do so.
Speaker 5: We've got an Instagram page. It's really good Noodle and
Speaker 5: I've got a lot of videos of her running around
Speaker 5: in the woods getting up to adventures together. And we
Speaker 5: do have TikTok as well. Same name. Not as active
Speaker 5: there though.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite follows on social media is Ellen
Speaker 2: and Noodle. Thank you guys for joining us. Please tell
Speaker 2: Noodle she's a good girl and we're very impressed with
Speaker 2: her foraging skills.
Speaker 5: Thanks so much for having us.
Speaker 2: Thank you. That's sweet. Cal I love snort snort. It's
Speaker 2: a great dog. I'd rather have a mushroom hunting dog.
Speaker 2: I think that's good.
Speaker 1: Good hunting dog can hunt anything, that's right.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'd like to see you teach Snort. It sounds
Speaker 2: like if the dog is into it, there's not a
Speaker 2: lot to do.
Speaker 1: And I mean, yeah, it's the prey drive plus the
Speaker 1: praise drive.
Speaker 2: What kind of praise does snork it when she's being
Speaker 2: a good girl A lot of hunt?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, like she doesn't want to be I
Speaker 1: give her praise?
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: Really, she wants food at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: But man, during a hunt, you can't hardly touch her.
Speaker 3: Her praise, her praise is just fine.
Speaker 2: And a bird right her alone?
Speaker 1: Oh she wants that bird so bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right. Our next segment is meat Pole.
Speaker 3: Say if Sully and meat fool is to take my pole,
Speaker 3: Welcome to meat lady. I got a game something.
Speaker 2: Meat Pole is a test of how much you know
Speaker 2: about your fellow hunters and anglers. I surveyed five hundred
Speaker 2: meat Eater listeners about the outdoors. Your job is to
Speaker 2: predict their answers. There are three questions. Whoever is closest
Speaker 2: to the correct answer between Callen Brody gets a point,
Speaker 2: and whoever gets two points will be the winner. Also,
Speaker 2: the chat should play along because Phil is going to
Speaker 2: watch your answers and give a shout out to whoever
Speaker 2: is close.
Speaker 3: I'm not fall what if we both get two points.
Speaker 2: There's only three questions, so that won't happen. One of
Speaker 2: you is gonna get a point each question, and that's
Speaker 2: how we're gonna settle this thing, all right. Question one,
Speaker 2: what percentage of meat eater listeners have washed their pickup
Speaker 2: in the last month. We're supposed to write this, write
Speaker 2: down and answer hide your answer. That's right. What percentage
Speaker 2: of med eater listeners have washed their pickup in the
Speaker 2: last month. Now, for this question, I said for pickup
Speaker 2: owners only, which happened to be about ninety percent of
Speaker 2: folks who took their survey. So what percentage of those
Speaker 2: people have washed their pickup in the last month? Callen's
Speaker 2: the last time you washed your pickup?
Speaker 1: I am not a good via washer, never ever, ever
Speaker 1: have been.
Speaker 2: Okay, that doesn't surprise me, but.
Speaker 1: Part of my Memorial Day clean up was vacuuming out
Speaker 1: the truck and with the dog hair in the sand
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, and then I did what I
Speaker 1: wasn't intending to wash the truck, but I needed to
Speaker 1: spray out the floor mats because they were real nightly,
Speaker 1: and so I did end up posing off the truck.
Speaker 2: I bet I go through a car wash four or
Speaker 2: five times a year, not that often. I'm conscious of
Speaker 2: it if I go on a hunt where I think
Speaker 2: I'm gonna end up asking for permission, Oh yeah, because
Speaker 2: when I go knock on someone's door and if I
Speaker 2: had just like a filthy, dirty, muddy pickup, they're gonna
Speaker 2: be thinking, this guy wants to drive through my field,
Speaker 2: that's gonna be a big no. Because one of the
Speaker 2: first things if I do get permission they'll say is
Speaker 2: just don't drive anywhere, don't drive through any gates, don't
Speaker 2: drive through any fields. So I try to be aware
Speaker 2: of that. I want to show up with a sparkling,
Speaker 2: clean pickup either, because then that sends a different message.
Speaker 2: But if that thing just looks like I drove it
Speaker 2: through a big old mud puddle, that's no good for me.
Speaker 1: No, it's not yet, I mean, but there's also like
Speaker 1: the noxious weed side of things, right, Like vehicles are
Speaker 1: a huge vector for spreading bad things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that stuff like you're driving around, say out
Speaker 3: in eastern Montana and the gumbo and that stuff gets
Speaker 3: glued to the bottom of your truck. You gotta get
Speaker 3: rid of it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Hey, Phil, do you have any bet of music to
Speaker 2: play while we uh, while we do this?
Speaker 4: Nothing original?
Speaker 2: Oh that's okay. Do you boys have an answer for
Speaker 2: what percentage of media do listeners have washed their pick
Speaker 2: up in the last month? Go ahead and reveal your answers.
Speaker 3: The one came out, okay, all right, so go ahead.
Speaker 2: Brody says seventy one percent. Cal says forty one percent.
Speaker 2: The correct answer is thirty point five percent. So Cal
Speaker 2: gets that first point. Thirty point five percent of media
Speaker 2: do listeners have washed.
Speaker 3: Their dirt bags? Not washing their stuff in.
Speaker 2: The last month. One study showed that the average person
Speaker 2: washes their car thirteen times a year. That same study
Speaker 2: showed that seventy nine percent of people go to a
Speaker 2: car wash versus twenty one percent of people who wash
Speaker 2: their car at home. But when it comes to the interior,
Speaker 2: the average person cleans the inside of their car once
Speaker 2: a year.
Speaker 3: Whoah, I just paid my boys to detail my truck.
Speaker 2: Oh are they are are they can I hire them to?
Speaker 3: Well, how much you want to?
Speaker 2: Would you charge that?
Speaker 3: The charity of the job is going to be based
Speaker 3: on how much you're willing to pay it.
Speaker 2: Would you pay them?
Speaker 3: I was a little underwhelmed and I had to up
Speaker 3: the ant is.
Speaker 2: About fifty bucks?
Speaker 3: They split fifty Okay?
Speaker 8: Did it?
Speaker 2: Did it seem like a fifty dollars job? Do you?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It was worth it to me. I didn't want
Speaker 3: to spend a couple hours doing that.
Speaker 4: Uh, Montana Hunter said twenty eight.
Speaker 2: Oh, well done, Montana Hunter, you were two percentage points off.
Speaker 2: All right? Question two? What percentage of meat eater listeners
Speaker 2: have ever bitten into a BBI? What percentage of meat
Speaker 2: either listeners?
Speaker 3: You're talking like any kind of pellet, like not a bebe?
Speaker 3: Like a bb gun? Yeah, any kind of pellet, not
Speaker 3: gun pellet, But it does like.
Speaker 2: Break you phil That That ups? That makes is so
Speaker 2: much better what we're doing here. What percentage of meat
Speaker 2: eater listeners have ever bitten into a bb cal? How
Speaker 2: many bebes in your lifetime? I'm gonna guess like five
Speaker 2: or six.
Speaker 1: Oh, buddy, I got a two cracked teeth in my
Speaker 1: face a year.
Speaker 2: Oh, Yeah, how many what's the number?
Speaker 1: Oh, twenty I I I was gonna say thirty, but
Speaker 1: I thought that sounded dramatic. But it's definitely higher than twenty.
Speaker 2: Do you think you've gotten better or worse in your
Speaker 2: lifetime about cleaning bebies out of stelf?
Speaker 1: Well, technology is a mother scratcher. Number nine tongues down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, holy cow, dude buried like oh, in the bottom
Speaker 3: of a thigh or a breast. Yeah, like you can't
Speaker 3: find that's probably swallowed. Yeah, several of them. Yeah, without
Speaker 3: knowing that.
Speaker 2: How about you, brody, how many bebes have you been into?
Speaker 3: Dozens? Like, and I mean like there's degrees of biting too.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh I feel it and I just spit
Speaker 3: it out, no big deal, and there's like wham, you
Speaker 3: come down on it with both molars. That's rough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm at single digits, but it's because one, like
Speaker 2: the last experience was really bad where I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: never gonna let that happen again. I'm gonna clean these
Speaker 2: things so thorough, or I'm gonna cut the meat so thin.
Speaker 2: A bb is never gonna make it onto my dinner plate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just find a way in there.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you get the one that we're like it,
Speaker 1: there's like a mammalian spinal reflex that happens.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost like it's like as shocking as a
Speaker 3: bad electric shot. Yeah you know, Oh yeah, it goes
Speaker 3: all the way down your Spine's a meal.
Speaker 2: So what percentage of meat eater listeners have ever bitten
Speaker 2: into a bb You boys, ready, sure, yep, go ahead
Speaker 2: and reveal your answers. We have Brody saying eighty eight percent,
Speaker 2: Cal says sixty three percent. One of you is within
Speaker 2: three points of the correct answer. The correct answer is
Speaker 2: sixty five point nine percent. Cow is on fire man
Speaker 2: of people here, eighty percent of Americans over the age
Speaker 2: of forty have had at least one cracked or fractured
Speaker 2: tooth in their lifetime. The most common foods that cracked
Speaker 2: teeth are hard candy, nuts, ice, popcorn kernels, and bone
Speaker 2: in meat. That study I was looking at never said
Speaker 2: anything about pellets, But I imagine our audience is very
Speaker 2: familiar with that feeling you boys are describing.
Speaker 8: I think.
Speaker 1: You overestimated how many bird hunters we have.
Speaker 2: I think that's the.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But ducks, pheasants, turkeys, I mean they're all birds. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I know, it's just like I'm a little disappointed.
Speaker 2: Question three, we have.
Speaker 4: The broke three gunners saying sixty seven, So good job.
Speaker 2: Damn one percentage point off. Here's question three. We'll see
Speaker 2: if cal can get the clean sweep and make Brody
Speaker 2: run around the off is naked, as is tradition when
Speaker 2: you get skunked naked? What percentage of meat eater listeners
Speaker 2: have fishing bait in their fridge or freezer right now?
Speaker 1: Oh, I can tell you, what do you do?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: What you got leach in the garden?
Speaker 3: Got some crawlers and leeches?
Speaker 2: How are you going to spend those?
Speaker 3: What do you mean spend them?
Speaker 2: Like we're going to use fishing currency. What are you
Speaker 2: gonna do with them?
Speaker 3: Catch a bunch of walleye? Hope, maybe some perch.
Speaker 2: What percentage of meat eater listeners have fishing bait in
Speaker 2: their fridge or freezer right now? I have some deer
Speaker 2: liver that you're marked, uh for some catfish on the
Speaker 2: Yellowstone River later this summer, So I've got some in
Speaker 2: my freezer. How about you Cal? Any bait in your
Speaker 2: home right now? Staying cold?
Speaker 1: You already asked the question, but I feel like old
Speaker 1: meat it doesn't qualify for this question or shouldn't.
Speaker 2: Oh, I think folks would know if they put it
Speaker 2: in their freezer for the purpose of catching a fish.
Speaker 2: They probably answered, honestly, what percentage of meat eater listeners
Speaker 2: have fishing bait in their fridge or freezer? Right now? Okay, boys, ready,
Speaker 2: go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Cal saying
Speaker 2: thirty eight and Brody's saying fifty. It's a clean sweep
Speaker 2: for Cal. The correct answer is thirty four zero point
Speaker 2: nine percent. Cal dominated today very close on every one
Speaker 2: of these questions. He's declared it before. He's a man
Speaker 2: of the people, but this this game really proves it.
Speaker 1: Phil Ti Sonar people, will you take that Spencer Newheart soundclip?
Speaker 1: That might be the nicest thing he ever says about
Speaker 1: man memorialize that someplace.
Speaker 2: American spend one point five billion dollars on live bait
Speaker 2: and natural bait each year. That's fifty percent more than
Speaker 2: they spend on lures and flies and twenty percent less
Speaker 2: than they spend on boat fuel. Bait accounts for about
Speaker 2: thirteen percent of all phishing related expenses.
Speaker 4: Ryan Carl since in thirty four point five damn.
Speaker 2: Point four percentage points off. Thirty five percent of people
Speaker 2: who are listening to this show have bait in their
Speaker 2: fridge or freezer right now?
Speaker 8: All right?
Speaker 2: Moving on, Our next segment is one minute Fishing chousing bait.
Speaker 2: We'll do you. I'll find out in a second.
Speaker 8: Go ahead, make my casts.
Speaker 1: Bread in a ringer here?
Speaker 2: Didn't you we were trying to. One Minute Fishing is
Speaker 2: where we go live to someone who's fishing and they
Speaker 2: have one minute to catch a fish, and if they're successful,
Speaker 2: we'll make a five hundred dollars donation to a conservation group.
Speaker 2: This week, our angler is Christine Fisher aka Midwest fisher
Speaker 2: Gal on Instagram. She's on ten Killer Lake in Oklahoma
Speaker 2: and fishing for a donation to the first Wisconsin Chapter
Speaker 2: of Muskie's Ink. Christine, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 7: Hey guys, how's it going.
Speaker 2: We're doing good. Christine is pre fishing for a tournament today,
Speaker 2: so tell us about the tournament that you'll be competing in.
Speaker 9: So I am practicing for the bass Master Kayak Open
Speaker 9: here on Lake Tenchio and Oklahoma. I think it's the
Speaker 9: third open of the year. I've only fished here one
Speaker 9: time before.
Speaker 7: We had a.
Speaker 9: Championship here last year. Different time of year, but this
Speaker 9: lake is gorgeous, has big small mouth, large mouth. I've
Speaker 9: had a pretty good bite going with the fish. The
Speaker 9: lake is about seven ft flooded. The fish are kind
Speaker 9: of spread out their post spawn, so bine stars few
Speaker 9: and far between. But when you can get them to eat,
Speaker 9: they're pretty pretty good sized.
Speaker 2: Okay, tell us about your kayak setup that you got there.
Speaker 9: I'm fishing out of a Hobie Pro Angler fourteen three sixty.
Speaker 7: I'm keating. I got a little motor on the back.
Speaker 9: Because you know, we get lazy in our old age.
Speaker 9: I have two low ranch grafts up front. I've got
Speaker 9: about fifteen rods with me right now. I've got a
Speaker 9: few different patterns going and trying to just break down
Speaker 9: this lake. I didn't get a ton of don't get
Speaker 9: a ton of practice.
Speaker 7: On this one. But yeah, it's a pretty good setup.
Speaker 7: I love it. It's comfortable. I can stand up.
Speaker 9: I usually stand and fish and use these two little
Speaker 9: foot pedals right here for control steering, so I can
Speaker 9: set my motor on you a mile and a half
Speaker 9: an hour stand up, use punched in power fish and
Speaker 9: run a patterns.
Speaker 7: It's pretty effective for me.
Speaker 2: Amazing little boat. Now, Christine is fished in one hundred
Speaker 2: and seventy one kayak bass tournaments. She's placed in the
Speaker 2: top ten and sixty of them and took first place
Speaker 2: in ten of them. So Christine, give some advice to
Speaker 2: folks listening who want to catch more fish from a kayak.
Speaker 9: So the best advice I can give you got to
Speaker 9: get out there and do it first and foremost kayaks
Speaker 9: are great because it forces you to kind of really
Speaker 9: learn an area.
Speaker 7: So I always advocate for kayak fishing.
Speaker 9: But I always tell people fish your confidence, fish your strength.
Speaker 7: If you hear the doc talk that people.
Speaker 9: Are crushing them on a crank a on a square bill,
Speaker 9: and you don't necessarily love throwing a square bill, you're
Speaker 9: not gonna catch those fitsch. So I always tell people
Speaker 9: when it's tournament time, when it comes down to putting
Speaker 9: fish in the boat, you need to fish your strength
Speaker 9: no matter where you're at, Just try to find water
Speaker 9: that suits your strength.
Speaker 7: And because at the end.
Speaker 9: Of the day, fish and how you like to fish,
Speaker 9: that makes it a lot more fun too.
Speaker 2: Good advice. Now for the one minute of fishing. What
Speaker 2: kind of area are you in and what kind of
Speaker 2: blue or are you throwing?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 9: So, like I said, my my big small mouth and
Speaker 9: large amount bai is few and far between. So I
Speaker 9: came out to this little little island out here in
Speaker 9: the middle of the lake, and I found some scattered bait.
Speaker 7: Then there's some white bass. Actually caught two of them
Speaker 7: while you guys were talking.
Speaker 9: So I'm just I really wanna Yeah, I want to
Speaker 9: be able to catch just a fish here. So I've
Speaker 9: got a little little paddle tail swim bait and there's
Speaker 9: a scattered bait, and there's some white bass kind of
Speaker 9: cruising in the area.
Speaker 7: I don't know if I can do it in a minute,
Speaker 7: but I'm.
Speaker 2: Gonna try, Okay, and standing or sitting.
Speaker 9: I'm gonna sit because if I stand and I'm setting
Speaker 9: you guys down on my kayak, ninety percent sure my
Speaker 9: phone a goal in the water. So we don't want
Speaker 9: to donate at the drink. I've done that a lot,
Speaker 9: not today.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: Is it intimidating to know that all of your tournament
Speaker 1: experience is culminating right now and meat eater one minute fishing,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lie.
Speaker 9: I usually don't cave under pressure, but I'm feeling the
Speaker 9: pressure on this one. You guys, I want I want
Speaker 9: the Wisconsin Musky guys to get get a little donation.
Speaker 7: Because I fish.
Speaker 9: Musky's up there all the time, and I know, I mean,
Speaker 9: this is more important than we win in this tournament.
Speaker 7: Honestly, in my opinion, I love.
Speaker 1: That attitude for you.
Speaker 2: All Right, Christine, your one minute of fishing starts as
Speaker 2: soon as you make your first cast.
Speaker 7: Okay, okay, let's see.
Speaker 1: Pick your spot.
Speaker 2: All right, she's made cast. Got an interesting perspective here.
Speaker 2: I've never watched someone fish from the bottom of feet before.
Speaker 7: Don't don't put this on feet finder, Christine.
Speaker 2: You're fifteen seconds in doing a little paddle tail. There's
Speaker 2: some overcast today. Conditions look good, maybe a slight breeze.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 2: Thirty seconds to go, she's gonna make another cast.
Speaker 1: Got time for another cast.
Speaker 10: I love it.
Speaker 1: That's some crucial mental game right there that you keep
Speaker 1: playing it.
Speaker 2: Verdian recast twenty seconds ago.
Speaker 7: Christine, my heart's beating.
Speaker 2: Ten seconds left. Need one white bass.
Speaker 7: Oh they just came after this.
Speaker 2: Oh, she had a bite right at the end. Your
Speaker 2: one minute is up. Tell us what happened there, Christine.
Speaker 9: Man, I had a little group of them right there,
Speaker 9: and yeah, I didn't catch them.
Speaker 7: They came after it.
Speaker 9: But like I said, I've caught two here in the
Speaker 9: last couple of minutes. I think, I think, I I
Speaker 9: think they got smart to what I was doing.
Speaker 2: Okay, they knew you were now on the show and
Speaker 2: not just pre fishing for the show.
Speaker 7: Sang thanks.
Speaker 9: I've probably just thrown that I've been catching these big
Speaker 9: small mouth on a big seven inch swim bait and
Speaker 9: under skipping in her docks and around some what a cover.
Speaker 7: I probably just should have rolled the that I got.
Speaker 2: One last question, Christine. Ten Killer Lake is known for
Speaker 2: a mythical freshwater octopus. Have you seen any evidence of
Speaker 2: the freshwater octopus this week?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 9: But I think isn't a unagi? Is an octopus? Isn't
Speaker 9: that Japanese unagi? That's one of my favorite, like shashimi things.
Speaker 9: So if I do find okay, let you guys know
Speaker 9: how that takes.
Speaker 2: But I'd love to know. Not seeing any okay, the
Speaker 2: ten Killer octopus continues to be elusive. All right, Thank
Speaker 2: you for joining us.
Speaker 3: Christine.
Speaker 2: Good luck in the tournament this week.
Speaker 7: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen a kayak like that?
Speaker 1: Man intense, like an arms race of kayaking?
Speaker 3: Like all thanks, it's yeah, it's impressive. I mean there's
Speaker 3: guys that are like doing offshore blue water fishing in
Speaker 3: those things big time. Yeah, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: All right, we're halfway through the show. Let's take a
Speaker 2: break for some listener feedback. Phil, what's the chat have
Speaker 2: to say?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Leland our guys, says cal What are you looking
Speaker 4: forward to most about BHA Rendezvous?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got rendezvous coming up starting. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: there all week. But it's June like fourteen, fifteen sixteen
Speaker 1: and Missoula, Montana.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Great people, fantastic people. We got a bunch of stuff
Speaker 1: to recap. We gotta keep folks motivated on public lands.
Speaker 1: We got corner crossing cases is getting revived at this point.
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like we should be thanking iron
Speaker 1: bar holdings because they just keep it. Yeah, because now
Speaker 1: it's going to the highest court in the land, which
Speaker 1: means corner crossing is going to be legal everywhere for
Speaker 1: certain and it's gonna be on their dime, which is great.
Speaker 2: What's kind of the general temperature on that right now?
Speaker 2: Are people optimistic that they're going to side with the
Speaker 2: hunters and public land users?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, politics shouldn't come into play and stuff
Speaker 1: like this, right, Like a judge is supposed to be impartial.
Speaker 1: But I think that is the idea is that they're
Speaker 1: going to lean way more conservative and they're going to
Speaker 1: somehow turn it into a private property rights thing, where
Speaker 1: I mean, it just is not right. It's like you're
Speaker 1: stepping from public land to public land. There's a couple
Speaker 1: of bad actors out there that are trying to monopolize
Speaker 1: public land through the use of strategically purchased private land.
Speaker 1: But man, I feel really good about it. I mean,
Speaker 1: we have two federal court decisions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing is, like the Supreme Court has
Speaker 3: to find a good reason to not agree with the
Speaker 3: decisions that were already made. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think there's a high likelihood that the Supreme Court
Speaker 1: is going to be like, this is not worth our
Speaker 1: time or the taxpayer's time to review this. We defer
Speaker 1: to the lower court.
Speaker 2: So you expect there to be some chatter about that
Speaker 2: at the bha Rendez vis Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean we'll have some panels on all the policy stuff,
Speaker 1: and that's a huge reason that people show up. Me
Speaker 1: say like here, you get to follow your cash in person, right,
Speaker 1: become a member. This is what you're paying for, this
Speaker 1: is what we're working on. Here's all the issues that
Speaker 1: we're working across in North America. Plus there's really good
Speaker 1: food and just it's it's a refreshing kind of refill
Speaker 1: your cup type of experience. It's not draining like some
Speaker 1: of these events that we all put together are so.
Speaker 2: And Missoula's a good place to be in the summer.
Speaker 1: Zula's a great place to be in the summer.
Speaker 2: What else you got?
Speaker 3: Phil H. Spencer.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you watched the show last week,
Speaker 4: but there was some debate about if they prefer the
Speaker 4: free Wheel and Yanni show or the professional, you know
Speaker 4: show that that you run. We've got a lot of
Speaker 4: people asking for for random for hunting stories, for meandering
Speaker 4: hunting stories, anything new you haven't shared yet.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to balance the shows out. You know,
Speaker 2: if we sat around and I don't want us to
Speaker 2: just talk about hunting stories every week. So I'm trying
Speaker 2: to be the ying to Yanni's yen.
Speaker 4: And I think I think that's good. I think I
Speaker 4: think it should be a different show, different flavor based on.
Speaker 3: Who's host is.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you this, Yanni is back in one of
Speaker 2: the host chairs next week. He's on a hunt right now.
Speaker 2: Some ex so expect some hunting stories then. But in
Speaker 2: the meantime, Cal Brody anything to share.
Speaker 3: No, man, hunting season's over for me for a while.
Speaker 3: It's fishing season now, garden season.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: On that note, Sebastian says, two days left of turkey
Speaker 4: hunting in New York, running gun or sitting Wait.
Speaker 2: Go find them, Sebastian, New York's a big.
Speaker 3: State, Like, gotta know a little more.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're already on birds, I would say
Speaker 1: sit and wait, especially this time here and things just
Speaker 1: are slowed down. Yeah, if you can get them to
Speaker 1: talk to you one time, I'm like, Okay, they know
Speaker 1: we're here. It's kind of like the best best move
Speaker 1: you can make.
Speaker 2: So but this late in the year, there's probably a
Speaker 2: lot of vegetation for you to be uh sneak sneaking
Speaker 2: around in what.
Speaker 4: Else you got For another one from Sebastian, any update
Speaker 4: on the venison beef jerky contest.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, kind of. It's probably not gonna happen, Sebastian.
Speaker 2: The suits here at Meat Eater said we shouldn't do that.
Speaker 2: We shouldn't invite folks to send us food that we're
Speaker 2: then going to eat, because someone's gonna get poisoned and
Speaker 2: then we're gonna wind up in a lawsuit. So I
Speaker 2: think we're maybe working on a pivot. I pounded the
Speaker 2: table hard for us to do this. The idea being
Speaker 2: that we're gonna, you know, bring in thirty venison jerkeys
Speaker 2: from across the country from listeners. We're going to eat them,
Speaker 2: we're going to rank the top three, we're going to
Speaker 2: hand out some big prizes. But the suit says, no,
Speaker 2: you're not. So that's where we're at right now, Sebastian.
Speaker 2: Maybe later this year, maybe twenty twenty six. That's that's
Speaker 2: your update.
Speaker 4: Russell says he's going out for Idaho Spring Bear June
Speaker 4: thirteenth to fourteenth, a little later than usual. Should I
Speaker 4: not use the distress call? Or yeah? Should I not
Speaker 4: use the distress call? Or stay with it? He says
Speaker 4: he always spots and stocks, but this lady's looking for
Speaker 4: a cruising boar cal Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that.
Speaker 2: Believe me.
Speaker 1: I don't plug stuff just to plug stuff, but that
Speaker 1: phelps fawn and distress call. And you just make it
Speaker 1: sound like in your mind you want to crying human infant.
Speaker 3: Like sick and dying human infant.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and you gotta have that.
Speaker 1: Do you have that in your mind as you're hitting
Speaker 1: that call, and you are not going to see like
Speaker 1: a crazy amount of action, but it weeds out smaller bears.
Speaker 1: So you're either going to get a big sal or
Speaker 1: very confident and should be large.
Speaker 3: Bore happening right in your face too.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I'm not afraid to scream
Speaker 1: on that thing.
Speaker 8: Love it.
Speaker 2: Find yourself a sick baby Russell.
Speaker 4: All right, one one more quick one? Cody can film
Speaker 4: make a new drop for the trivia tiebreaker question. I
Speaker 4: think you're a You're a plant from Spencer Cody because
Speaker 4: he's also asked for that, and I think I've got
Speaker 4: I've got some spare time in the next couple of weeks,
Speaker 4: I'll try to knock one out.
Speaker 2: Okay, yea. The people are looking forward to it now.
Speaker 2: He's made a promise on air so it's going to happen,
Speaker 2: all right. Moving on, joining us on the line, last
Speaker 2: is brock Wall, the founder of the newly formed North
Speaker 2: American Pronghorn Foundation. Brock Welcome to the show, thy.
Speaker 11: Guys, Thanks for thanks for having me. I'm really excited
Speaker 11: to be here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we are too. Then, the North American Pronghorn Foundation
Speaker 2: is the only conservation group that's dedicated to antelope. Tell
Speaker 2: us about how and why it was formed.
Speaker 11: Sure.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 11: At first, I would like to say too that there
Speaker 11: are a couple of state based conservation groups dedicated to
Speaker 11: pronghorn in Arizona and South Dakota or the two that
Speaker 11: I know of, but we are indeed the only nationwide
Speaker 11: one that is focused on pronghorn throughout North America the
Speaker 11: entire continent. So I just wanted to make sure that
Speaker 11: those those state based groups get some some love there.
Speaker 11: But we really got started on Randy Newberg's Hunt talk form.
Speaker 11: There was just kind of a conversation that took place.
Speaker 11: Some some guys are asking why one doesn't exist, and
Speaker 11: a few of us got together and said, well, there's
Speaker 11: no better time to start than now. So we file
Speaker 11: articles of incorporation and in twenty twenty four and got
Speaker 11: started and we really felt like, you know, there's a
Speaker 11: variety of reasons in terms of our why, but you know,
Speaker 11: everything from you know, pronghorn populations just struggling a little bit,
Speaker 11: you know, habitat problems, migration issues, to also just you know,
Speaker 11: the with the amount of development that's going on and
Speaker 11: the amount of pressure that you know, this Western hunting
Speaker 11: is receiving, there's also just this need to get more
Speaker 11: resources on the ground, whether you know, whether that's the
Speaker 11: pronghorn or sage grouse or mule deer. I mean, there's
Speaker 11: a whole host of species that benefit from the same
Speaker 11: landscapes that pronghorn do. So we really just felt like
Speaker 11: there was just no reason not to have this group
Speaker 11: and no reason not to get it started.
Speaker 2: And what are the current initiatives of the North American
Speaker 2: Pronghorn Foundation.
Speaker 11: Well, right now, you know, we're still new, so we're
Speaker 11: just just over a month old. We went live on
Speaker 11: April twenty first here of this year, and so so
Speaker 11: far the things that we've been focused on are trying
Speaker 11: to get some policy comments out there in for some
Speaker 11: BLM style for some migration corridor designations, and then we're
Speaker 11: also working on trying to set up a fencing project
Speaker 11: here in northeast Montana. Not one hundred percent sure if
Speaker 11: that's gonna all come together here this year, but we're
Speaker 11: super excited about it because we're able to, you know,
Speaker 11: get some local stakeholders on the ground, both landowners, other
Speaker 11: conservation groups, and utilize GPS caller data from pronghorn in
Speaker 11: that exact area. So we're really hoping to bring that
Speaker 11: added value to that pronghorn research in cooperation with a
Speaker 11: bunch of partners. And then you know, really, I don't
Speaker 11: know that this will be really qualify as an initiative,
Speaker 11: but really, membership growth is a big priority right now.
Speaker 11: You know, we have some really lofty goals and we'd
Speaker 11: really like to be able to do some big things
Speaker 11: around around the entire West, and in order to do that,
Speaker 11: we're going to need a lot of money. And so
Speaker 11: membership growth is really something that we're focused on and
Speaker 11: really trying to grow that membership so we can take
Speaker 11: that money, turn it around and put it right on
Speaker 11: the ground.
Speaker 2: Data shows that prong horn populations are down about twenty
Speaker 2: percent across the entire continent over the last few years.
Speaker 2: Talk to us about what the greatest challenges they're facing
Speaker 2: is and why that might be.
Speaker 11: Yeah, there's a few things that pronghorn are really struggling with,
Speaker 11: and one is winters, obviously, and I think, you know,
Speaker 11: you probably wouldn't be correct to say that, well, there's
Speaker 11: not much we're going to be able to do about winters,
Speaker 11: and that's true. However, you know, it's when we highlight
Speaker 11: the fact that winters are increasing mortality. There's a couple
Speaker 11: of variables there that I think are really important to
Speaker 11: point out as to what is making those winters, you know,
Speaker 11: so hard on pronghorn. And certainly, you know, extreme winters
Speaker 11: with a lot of snowpack, there's gonna be some die
Speaker 11: off and you can't really do anything about that. However,
Speaker 11: you know, we have examples from other research data, from
Speaker 11: observational data, anecdotal data from landowners where they're noticing that
Speaker 11: during those storms, those those pronghorn are trying to migrate
Speaker 11: and they're getting stuck in certain areas because offences or
Speaker 11: man made barriers, or another element would be you know,
Speaker 11: maybe their winter range habitat where or they're only planning
Speaker 11: or intending on being at in the winter is degraded
Speaker 11: so much or non existent that you know, they just
Speaker 11: don't have the nutrition on the landscape to make it
Speaker 11: through that winter. And you know, related to that, I mean,
Speaker 11: something that's really interesting to think about when we think
Speaker 11: about habitat degradation for pronghorn is that in the last
Speaker 11: twenty years. So I think it was the USDA or
Speaker 11: maybe it was the USGS that came out with a
Speaker 11: study and they looked at sage brush from the years
Speaker 11: two thousand and one to twenty twenty, and over that
Speaker 11: twenty year time period, they found that western United States
Speaker 11: was losing a million, just over a million acres of
Speaker 11: sage brush per year. And that's I mean, that's prime
Speaker 11: forage for pronghorn, it's prime winter habitat, it's prime falling habitat.
Speaker 11: So you know, it's things like that that we would
Speaker 11: really like to be able to throw some money on,
Speaker 11: throw some some volunteer power on, and some attention to
Speaker 11: to to really get things turned the other direction.
Speaker 2: Now, I saw that your first policy action was to
Speaker 2: support the removal of feral horses from Blm Land in Wyoming.
Speaker 2: Tell us about that.
Speaker 11: Yeah, so I know this can be a controversial issue
Speaker 11: and We certainly don't want to be insensitive to the
Speaker 11: folks that are really big horse fans. I mean, we
Speaker 11: have nothing against horses. My uh, I grew up with horses.
Speaker 11: My mom was was really big into horses, and so
Speaker 11: I'm used to being around them. But you know, it's
Speaker 11: pretty hard to deny and there's a lot of you know,
Speaker 11: published peer reviewed research that supports this idea that you know,
Speaker 11: wild horses or feral horses can be really hard on
Speaker 11: native landscape one because their populations just blow up. They
Speaker 11: don't really have any natural predators, and so you know,
Speaker 11: it's really not uncommon for them to you know, double
Speaker 11: their population in a really short period of time on
Speaker 11: a landscape that is really not suited for them. And
Speaker 11: so what you end up getting is end up getting
Speaker 11: a lot of damage to save brush, a lot of
Speaker 11: damage to winter range, damage to water infrastructure, and it's
Speaker 11: just you know, those horses are are out competing native species,
Speaker 11: particularly pronghorn, mule deer and sage grouse are really you
Speaker 11: know some of those those species that are most affected.
Speaker 11: And so the BLM has really been on a sort
Speaker 11: of initiative to to try to get this under control
Speaker 11: and try to remove some of these horses from the
Speaker 11: landscape so we can start doing some work for the
Speaker 11: native species that I know a lot of the hunters
Speaker 11: and anglers like myself are really want, and so that
Speaker 11: we could start making some headway on savedbrush restoration and
Speaker 11: things of that nature. And so for us, it was
Speaker 11: really just about prioritizing pronghorn and their habitat over the
Speaker 11: feral horses that are not native and are almost everywhere.
Speaker 11: In every case, they are vastly overpopulated.
Speaker 4: Brock.
Speaker 1: I just spoke with the rancher in California who's got
Speaker 1: a native population a pronghorn on his ranch, not huttable,
Speaker 1: but he's going to join us at field Table this
Speaker 1: year at Rendezvous, so you got to meet up with
Speaker 1: him and talk. He's actually has a fencing business where
Speaker 1: he goes through and does some of that mitigation work
Speaker 1: for wildlife passage.
Speaker 11: Very cool. Yeah, I'd love to meet him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brock. I also read you say that Wyoming has
Speaker 2: some of the best infrastructure in place for antelope and
Speaker 2: some other states need to catch up. What does that
Speaker 2: mean exactly?
Speaker 11: Well, I don't want to make that sound like you know,
Speaker 11: the other states aren't doing or pulling their weight. I
Speaker 11: think part of what we're observing here is just the
Speaker 11: fact that Wyoming is sparsely populated, which gives them a
Speaker 11: little bit of advantage when they're trying to deal with
Speaker 11: some of this stuff in terms of wildlife and habitat.
Speaker 11: But you know, they really have devoted a lot of resources.
Speaker 11: You know, they've they've gotten a lot of support for
Speaker 11: these things on a political level, through a management level
Speaker 11: and an administration level, and so you know, they just
Speaker 11: have the right resources in place. They've had the right
Speaker 11: support for it, the right public support for it, and
Speaker 11: I think it's just put them in a position where
Speaker 11: they're able to utilize you know, cooperative research unit funding.
Speaker 11: You know, through the Wyoming Migration initiative's done some fantastic
Speaker 11: and incredible, you know, really groundbreaking work on migrations for
Speaker 11: a variety of species. And so I think, you know,
Speaker 11: when we look at places like Colorado or Montana, Idaho, Nevada,
Speaker 11: New Mexico, and Arizona, you know, we're starting to see
Speaker 11: some of that similar migration research and things like that
Speaker 11: being done. But I really think that what we say
Speaker 11: when we mean what we mean when we say that
Speaker 11: is really just to try to get everybody else operating
Speaker 11: sort of with that same intent, to really try to
Speaker 11: figure out what pronghorn need, where they're at on the
Speaker 11: ground at different times a year, and what their challenges are.
Speaker 11: And there's just, you know, very few tools out there
Speaker 11: that will beat a GPS caller to tell you all
Speaker 11: that stuff.
Speaker 2: Last thing, how can listeners support the North American prong
Speaker 2: Horn Foundation.
Speaker 11: Right now? You can go to our website which is
Speaker 11: pronghorns dot org, so that's pronghorns with an S dot
Speaker 11: org and that is our website. You can buy memberships there.
Speaker 11: You can go to our merch store and order T
Speaker 11: shirts and hats, things of that nature. And then we
Speaker 11: also have an Instagram which is napp Official so napf
Speaker 11: Underscore Official, and then you can look us up on
Speaker 11: Facebook as well. And we really want your membership. Like
Speaker 11: I said, we are really trying to grow this organization
Speaker 11: into something that's impactful and so we would love for
Speaker 11: you to give us thirty five dollars and let us
Speaker 11: prove to you that we are are who we say
Speaker 11: we are and we're going to do what we say
Speaker 11: we're going to do.
Speaker 2: Again, that is Pronghorns dot org. Brock, thanks for joining us,
Speaker 2: and thanks for sticking up for anelope.
Speaker 11: Thanks for having me. Guys appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Cal It's been too long for us to not have
Speaker 2: a prong horn federation or foundation at a national level.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean for such a crazy, iconic, unique native species,
Speaker 1: like truly native, it's really wild. Once you understand how
Speaker 1: pronghorn are managed differently state to state, or you could
Speaker 1: say not managed at all state to state, it's like
Speaker 1: a giant loophole. So putting some more more focus getting
Speaker 1: that magnifying glass on this species is certainly needed. And
Speaker 1: Brocks correct, right, like that sagebrush ecosystem or grasslands, we're
Speaker 1: losing about two million acres a year right now, so
Speaker 1: it's the most imperiled ecosystem in the world, not just
Speaker 1: the United States.
Speaker 2: Again, that's longhorns dot org. Consider joining the North American
Speaker 2: Pronghorn Foundation. All right, last thing for today is the
Speaker 2: Hot tip Off.
Speaker 4: Turn your head and give what's that face?
Speaker 11: I don't have any hot tip's salty.
Speaker 2: Hot tip off is where two listeners go head to
Speaker 2: head with competing pieces of advice, and after we hear
Speaker 2: each tip, we'll declare which one is hotter. If you
Speaker 2: have a hot tip, take a one minute video on
Speaker 2: your phone and email it to Radio at the medeater
Speaker 2: dot com with the subject line hot Tip Off. This
Speaker 2: week it's Matt Short versus Ben Hunter, and they're competing
Speaker 2: for a copy of Catch a Crayfish, Count the Stars
Speaker 2: paperback edition as well as an m k C Flat
Speaker 2: tail knife. And we have a special guest judge joining
Speaker 2: us today, Steven Ranella, because these are hot tips about
Speaker 2: parenting and Cal and I have yet to reproduce and
Speaker 2: you have, so we brought you into the studio to
Speaker 2: decide who So you guys.
Speaker 3: Are you guys even voting or is it the.
Speaker 2: Listeners vote?
Speaker 8: But this is like very identity politics.
Speaker 2: Maybe Steve can sway their vote.
Speaker 3: I think I thought we were weighing in, Corey.
Speaker 2: Everybody can weigh in in.
Speaker 10: But I'm the judge, right If I'm not, I mean,
Speaker 10: am I to say or not to say?
Speaker 2: Listen? What do we think?
Speaker 3: I'm a parent? Too?
Speaker 11: Man?
Speaker 3: I got rights.
Speaker 2: We're gonna let the chat decide, Like that's my truth.
Speaker 2: We're gonna let the chat decide. Those of folks are
Speaker 2: gonna before we go.
Speaker 3: Both of the people that are competing, get a copy.
Speaker 2: Not just okay.
Speaker 3: The real prize is the second right here that they're
Speaker 3: gonna give to their kid, and so their kid can remember.
Speaker 10: Tell your kid cut towards your body.
Speaker 2: Uh huh. So, Steve, you're gonna need to watch the
Speaker 2: screen behind you. Phil, Phil is gonna play these hot
Speaker 2: tip offs. Take it away, Phil. Benjamin Hunter. Wow, my
Speaker 2: name is.
Speaker 12: Benjamin Hunter, and he has a hot tip taking kids fishing.
Speaker 7: Make your own moors.
Speaker 12: Go to the thrift store and buy some cheap spoons
Speaker 12: from the silver aisle. Then go home and cut off
Speaker 12: the handles with a hacksaw. File off the sharp edges,
Speaker 12: and droll hole about an eighth of an inch from
Speaker 12: each in. Now that you have should look something like this.
Speaker 12: Now attach a split ring to each end and put
Speaker 12: a trouble hook at the bottom. Tie it off to
Speaker 12: your line and go fishing. Not only can this be
Speaker 12: an effective lure, but it is also fun to catch
Speaker 12: fish on a lure you've made, it's.
Speaker 10: Gonna be hard to beat that the other one.
Speaker 6: Well. Matt Short, Hey, what's up meat? Eat to crew.
Speaker 6: My name is Matt Short from Firestone, Colorado, and he
Speaker 6: is a hot tip every parent knows that the success
Speaker 6: of their outing with kids is dependent on keeping them fed,
Speaker 6: warm and dry. But nothing will end your family fishing trip, day, hike,
Speaker 6: upland hunt faster than a bathroom emergency gone wrong. I
Speaker 6: can't even count on my two hands how many times
Speaker 6: my own kid's inability to judge when their next valve
Speaker 6: movement should be has ended one of our trips. That's
Speaker 6: why I've come up with kid poop bags. Pretty simple concept.
Speaker 6: Zip blog bag, toilet paper, dog poop bag. Right, if
Speaker 6: you want to get fancy with it, grab yourself some
Speaker 6: sanitization wipes. If you don't have a dog and don't
Speaker 6: have readily access access to these poop bags, run down
Speaker 6: to your local park. I guarantee you there's a lovely
Speaker 6: little dispenser there you can grab a couple for yourself.
Speaker 6: I put every single one of I put one of
Speaker 6: these in every single one of my bags. That way
Speaker 6: I'm always ready. Kid needs to take a dump, I
Speaker 6: go great, drop it on the ground, pick it up
Speaker 6: like it's a dog, Wipe him up, hand, sanitize myself.
Speaker 6: Everything goes back in my zip block baggie. I pack
Speaker 6: it out and we keep on trucking. Don't let your
Speaker 6: kids incontinence or lack of judgment of when is a
Speaker 6: good time to drop a load in your next family adventure.
Speaker 2: Steve thinking a tie.
Speaker 8: You only got one knife, man, we're gonna have to
Speaker 8: find another one. I'll give him one of my personal
Speaker 8: knives out of my personal box and knife.
Speaker 2: You're gonna pick Matt poop bag over the little kid
Speaker 2: who's making his own fishing lue.
Speaker 8: Well, I like the kid because he's cute. Yeah, the
Speaker 8: whole thing's cute. It's just cute. And I'll get out
Speaker 8: the whole thing making lures. The fact that the kid presented, well, yeah,
Speaker 8: I love everything about it.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good.
Speaker 8: I mean it's all good.
Speaker 10: Normally, what would have happened Normally I would watch and
Speaker 10: out belittle one of them.
Speaker 8: I mean I would be like that. But they're they're
Speaker 8: so strong.
Speaker 2: You're in a good mood today.
Speaker 1: No, And they have noy components, right, the material is
Speaker 1: so strong, uh huh.
Speaker 10: And and notice the guy with the poop bag. He's
Speaker 10: also getting into cleanup. He's not like, hey, scrabs the
Speaker 10: toilet paper because then you just leave it behind. He's
Speaker 10: bagging it up when it happens in an inopportune location.
Speaker 10: There's no way that I can in good conscience.
Speaker 2: That's why the Chad is going to vote. Oh, Phil,
Speaker 2: is the chad voting?
Speaker 3: I'm voting for the kid.
Speaker 4: I didn't put up an official poll. I can if
Speaker 4: we've got like, uh yeah, give a minute, I'm going.
Speaker 8: To bring on personal knife for my personal stash.
Speaker 2: Wow, and who Benjamin?
Speaker 3: This new one's yours?
Speaker 8: Sure that's the kid?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't wouldn't it be more special for the
Speaker 2: kid to have Steve Ranella's knife though, Oh there you go.
Speaker 3: He could sign it.
Speaker 8: I don't care. I'm just not picking between the two.
Speaker 2: I would vote for the kid because he's a kid.
Speaker 2: Because he's a kid.
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, but that's identity politics.
Speaker 2: Brody, Brody, who you voting?
Speaker 3: I'd vote for the kid because I'm not down on
Speaker 3: the other one. You can always dig a hole. And honestly, man,
Speaker 3: I don't know how many times that's actually happened to
Speaker 3: me with my kids, what.
Speaker 13: Like a total like, oh my god, Brody just makes
Speaker 13: me eat a bag of cheese curds. It's we're gonna
Speaker 13: fish all day, eat the sack of curd's.
Speaker 3: Not like something that's happened to me enough times to.
Speaker 8: Like, well, if I came down, listen, did I come down?
Speaker 6: Here?
Speaker 8: Are we whistling Dixie?
Speaker 6: Or?
Speaker 8: Am I the judge?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: You can be the judge, it's all you.
Speaker 10: I'm gonna send him a private personal knife the kid.
Speaker 10: The kid gets the nice, fancy new knife. I'm gonna
Speaker 10: send the guy. I'm gonna send him something for my
Speaker 10: personal stash.
Speaker 2: Uncle, cal what do you think? Who would you pick?
Speaker 1: Man? I I like them both a lot. They're super prepared,
Speaker 1: and if I had to pick one, I like the
Speaker 1: recycling and the packing in packing out stuff too.
Speaker 10: He's not swayed by the kid being a kid. Today's
Speaker 10: kids are tomorrow's enemies.
Speaker 2: Oh that's what they say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a run.
Speaker 1: I'd like to shove that kid down when I see like,
Speaker 1: why camp because it's easier now when he gets big?
Speaker 8: Why camp?
Speaker 1: The community and forest parenting?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 3: Granted, I think that, like if everyone had the same
Speaker 3: attitude about the poop thing, like adults are bigger culprits
Speaker 3: and kids, I think.
Speaker 8: Yeah, bigger poops, like the kid. I love kids, I
Speaker 8: mean I got most of them. Yeah, I mean like
Speaker 8: most of the time. I like like, I like like,
Speaker 8: I like the idea of them, I like mine most
Speaker 8: of the time.
Speaker 2: Love them.
Speaker 8: He did a great job, presents well all right materials.
Speaker 4: After thirty seconds left of him, I.
Speaker 8: Just can't disrespect the dude. So let the kid win.
Speaker 8: Let him win. He wins. But I'm sending the guy
Speaker 8: a little something from the private stash, and he gets
Speaker 8: a book.
Speaker 2: Anyway, There's there's a good reason I'm not a dad,
Speaker 2: but it's hard for me to fathom pick it up.
Speaker 2: A kid's poop out in nature. Oh no, thank you.
Speaker 8: I got a story interesting, not mine.
Speaker 3: Listen, after you change a few diapers, I'm not either.
Speaker 3: You get poop under your fingernails and it's like a
Speaker 3: big deal.
Speaker 8: Do I really only have thirty thirty?
Speaker 6: He was.
Speaker 8: Tell quick story.
Speaker 10: So one time when I was in high school, we
Speaker 10: got a job where there's a guy building a loghouse
Speaker 10: and he bought there's this old farmer, old man Burns,
Speaker 10: and he had a big red pine plantation, and he
Speaker 10: bought all these red pines from mister Burns who one
Speaker 10: time on his farm. This is a little side story,
Speaker 10: a bullet killed a kid on his farm.
Speaker 8: One time. Wow, yeah, bull killed a kid on his farm.
Speaker 2: Like stopped on him.
Speaker 10: So before my time, this is a deep past. He
Speaker 10: was a pumpkin farmer. I used to go and help
Speaker 10: him load the pumpkins and drive him down because he's
Speaker 10: hold him to the local grocery stores. Anyhow, this guy
Speaker 10: buys these red pines from him, but he needs him
Speaker 10: cut and hauled out and stuck in a field. So
Speaker 10: we signed a little contract with him. He's going to
Speaker 10: give us five dollars apiece and use a forward tractor
Speaker 10: of his to cut limb move out to where they
Speaker 10: can be picked up in a truck, and put them
Speaker 10: up on stickers to get them off the ground.
Speaker 8: One hundred.
Speaker 10: Trees five bucks a tree. Well, we get done, and
Speaker 10: we had popped a hole as well as Brian filled tires.
Speaker 10: We'd hit a stump and put a big hole in
Speaker 10: the Brian filled tire. We get all done with the
Speaker 10: job and he informs us, hey, we're even. Oh no,
Speaker 10: we're even because it costs so much to buy a
Speaker 10: new tractor tire.
Speaker 3: How old are you?
Speaker 8: High school? We go home and tell our dad and
Speaker 8: that is just not acceptable to our dad.
Speaker 10: Our dad gets him on the phone and say, here's
Speaker 10: what's gonna happen with this five hundred dollars. And then
Speaker 10: my dad says to us, he's waiting with your five
Speaker 10: hundred dollars at the job site. So we go to
Speaker 10: the job site and he's got to go his five
Speaker 10: hundred bucks. But you know what, the main thing, our
Speaker 10: main takeaway was he happened to be there with his grandson,
Speaker 10: and his grandson had just shad his pants, and as
Speaker 10: we show up, he's trying to clean up the grandson.
Speaker 10: And we thought at that time, before we had our
Speaker 10: own kids, we thought that that was the come uppings.
Speaker 2: Oh you got him, he had a clean up.
Speaker 8: Yeah, like ha ha ha. Right now, I've done that myself.
Speaker 8: I don't know how many times.
Speaker 10: Oh so you you had something coming to you then,
Speaker 10: But I just felt like a punishment worse than losing
Speaker 10: five hundred bucks would be to clean up with child's feet.
Speaker 10: And then then I had kids, and then we just
Speaker 10: eat it now like it that you're just drowning in it.
Speaker 10: You're drowning in it, man, not anymore.
Speaker 2: You were telling me how great kids are.
Speaker 7: With you.
Speaker 2: You were just telling me how great kids are.
Speaker 8: For a while, and you just it's just everywhere, It's
Speaker 8: on everything, wiping on your pants.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, nouro virus every other week.
Speaker 8: Now, I love that kid though. That was great. Thanks
Speaker 8: for having me down.
Speaker 4: With seventy two percent of the vote, Ben, the kid
Speaker 4: wins landslide.
Speaker 2: But we had a lot of.
Speaker 4: People in the chat basically agreeing with Steve saying that
Speaker 4: the poop bags probably a more practical helpful tip, but
Speaker 4: the kid kicks ass.
Speaker 8: So yeah.
Speaker 2: Well as the guy who had to filter through about
Speaker 2: a dozen entries for this, well, thank you everybody, but
Speaker 2: this was tough.
Speaker 3: Next time, we can't. We should mix kids and adults.
Speaker 3: We should do kids an adults, kids against each other, yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: Survival of the Fittest, Lord of the Flies, and.
Speaker 1: Then eventually you could see if there's a bracket system
Speaker 1: where the kid could out compete.
Speaker 8: The adult kids, put the kids against each other.
Speaker 2: Well on, Ben, Well done, Matt, thanks for sending those in. Steve,
Speaker 2: you got time to stick around for the chat.
Speaker 8: Sure, okay, I've having a time of my life.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, great, Phil, what questions you got? This is
Speaker 2: the end of the show. We'll answer a few questions
Speaker 2: and Steve is gonna stay around to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you have any questions for Steve, get him
Speaker 4: in there right now. You don't have a lot of time.
Speaker 4: I would say, let's see uh Leland our guy once again.
Speaker 4: Favorite way to prepare rainbow trout and Steve. If you've
Speaker 4: got something, Oh, you know, it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 10: There's a there's a dish called it's in French, will
Speaker 10: be blue trout truth all blue, truthdall one where you
Speaker 10: you drop them, it's gotta be real fresh and brand new.
Speaker 10: It's gotta still have its nice color. And you make
Speaker 10: this this heavily vinegard like poaching liquid.
Speaker 8: And for whatever reason, I don't understand the chemistry of
Speaker 8: it when you when.
Speaker 10: You drop that brand new fresh trout and like the
Speaker 10: French will do it where they'll drop they'll they'll like
Speaker 10: stun the trout and do it. You gotta do it
Speaker 10: that fast, and the trout turns blue. I'm not kidding you,
Speaker 10: it turns blue electric blue. Okay, if it's like some
Speaker 10: old trout has been tied to a string out in
Speaker 10: the creek, you know it's not gonna do it. But
Speaker 10: it's got that one in the smoker ye truth doll
Speaker 10: blue is a lot of fun just to just to
Speaker 10: watch the thing happen.
Speaker 2: It's like a traditional like gut them, leave the head
Speaker 2: on stuff there, tummy with lemon and herbs, and it
Speaker 2: just makes fun, just looks nice. Yeah, cal brody, anything.
Speaker 1: Down tinfoil packets. I mean, leland of your program, You're
Speaker 1: you're running a bunch of volunteers out there. I have
Speaker 1: an assembly line with tinfoil.
Speaker 3: Packets like yep, lemon, slices of lemon, A lot of butter,
Speaker 3: a lot of butter.
Speaker 10: My dad used to They used to talk about wrapping
Speaker 10: them and leaves and then packing them in mud and
Speaker 10: cooking them.
Speaker 2: Oh that's cool.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'd like to try that sometimes.
Speaker 2: Fill else.
Speaker 4: Trey asks, Well, first, he says, I love having bears
Speaker 4: on my land, but they're starting to tear feeders down.
Speaker 4: What can I do to keep them around but not
Speaker 4: have them tear things up?
Speaker 1: Remove your feeds?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 8: Is he talking about deer feeders?
Speaker 2: He's talking about trying to feed deer be my guest.
Speaker 10: Well, I don't know if you're gonna dissuade him from
Speaker 10: that man? No way too, because you ever see that
Speaker 10: time they took that dead deer and electrified.
Speaker 1: It orizzy bears like.
Speaker 10: Fives likedow just like eventually he just gets the deer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, eventually it just gets angry enough to where he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna take it.
Speaker 8: He starts unplugging stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think if you love having them on your land,
Speaker 3: you're just gonna have to learn to coexist with them.
Speaker 3: If you got deer feeders out, what.
Speaker 2: Else you got?
Speaker 4: Phil uh Mogor asks Steve, when was the last time
Speaker 4: you went on a hunt? Uh without cameras?
Speaker 8: Or last week?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think people think that you are constantly being followed
Speaker 4: by by cinematographers, But you go, you're you're out there
Speaker 4: all the time.
Speaker 8: Yeah, mostly I mean out with my kids so a ton,
Speaker 8: but generally with my kids. But we just got back
Speaker 8: from hunting.
Speaker 2: How'd that go? Great?
Speaker 8: My boy got his first bear?
Speaker 2: How many more bears died on that hunt?
Speaker 8: Our party had three?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 10: Well yeah, our little group had three, but we weren't
Speaker 10: all together. I was there for two of them. I
Speaker 10: was present for two when I was three hundred yards.
Speaker 10: Everything went well, Oh yeah, a great time bade You.
Speaker 3: Guys saw some some bear love making on that trip, didn't.
Speaker 10: We killed two boars that I was there for one,
Speaker 10: not for the other one. That that we watched the
Speaker 10: a boar breed us out for twenty minutes.
Speaker 8: I'm not kidding you.
Speaker 10: You think people thick like like I'm saying twenty minutes,
Speaker 10: like meaning it was seven, but I'm saying twenty we
Speaker 10: watched a boar breed us out twenty minutes.
Speaker 2: Did the twenty minutes end when the boar was shot?
Speaker 8: Or no, I don't know why he walked away and
Speaker 8: started feeding?
Speaker 2: Okay, and you don't know why he walked away?
Speaker 8: No, I mean I since I don't know why he
Speaker 8: walked away. But they would like like.
Speaker 10: It was I don't know, I haven't watched enough, Like
Speaker 10: the first one they watched, the sow was receptive. In
Speaker 10: this case, it was hard to tell like what level
Speaker 10: of receptivity there and what level of sort of like
Speaker 10: just so there's like a lot of display and a
Speaker 10: lot of foreplay well like like fitting, I don't know,
Speaker 10: like fitness, Yeah, like you're like testing fitness. You're like
Speaker 10: she's like sussing out the cape whatever. A lot of
Speaker 10: like theatrics there were sometimes like our our My initial
Speaker 10: instinct was was two borers fighting. Then at a distance
Speaker 10: when I couldn't see clear, I was like, maybe it's
Speaker 10: just like two you know, a cubs ice fight, Like
Speaker 10: maybe that's what's going on.
Speaker 8: Then eventually I'm like, oh no, it's like a mating ritual.
Speaker 2: Surprised it was that ambiguous that it because they were
Speaker 2: through there was they were obscured.
Speaker 8: You can just see like a lot of black, like
Speaker 8: you know, you know. But but once we got clear,
Speaker 8: I mean we were like we were we were sixty yards.
Speaker 1: Your comment about like perceived time versus actual time, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I ran a little experiment during Turkey season, and because
Speaker 1: you're always like, you're like, all this major saga is
Speaker 1: playing out, and and how you know, we got to
Speaker 1: allocate the right amount of time to this and when
Speaker 1: to move, and went out to move. So when I
Speaker 1: struck the bird, I hit the timer on my phone
Speaker 1: smart yep. And then and then we have this huge
Speaker 1: saga like no calling and not responding and what the
Speaker 1: hell is going on? And then eventually the bird calls
Speaker 1: and oh my god, he's coming in and and he
Speaker 1: skirts us and then lo and behold there's another tom
Speaker 1: down there, and oh now he's coming in and and
Speaker 1: all these mental gymnastics. The shotgun goes off. I hit
Speaker 1: the stop on the timer thirteen minutes.
Speaker 3: Man, and it felt like way exactly.
Speaker 5: It's so painful.
Speaker 3: You're getting ready to walk somewhere else, go go get
Speaker 3: the truck, not somewhere.
Speaker 2: They Let's do a couple more before we close this out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure thing.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 4: Nick says question for Steve, and he plans to do
Speaker 4: some upland hunting in the near future. And I would
Speaker 4: rephrase that by saying, Steve, what do you have against
Speaker 4: upland hunting?
Speaker 8: Does hunt blue grouse count Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Okay, boy, we can't.
Speaker 3: We did some camping this past weekend and those blue
Speaker 3: grause were doing their thing. Oh yeah, everywhere, man. But
Speaker 3: I was trying to get my boys to sneak up
Speaker 3: on them. And that noise is so like you think
Speaker 3: you know right where they are. You go there and
Speaker 3: then you're like.
Speaker 2: He's over there.
Speaker 3: Go over there, and you're like he's over there.
Speaker 8: You just feel the noise.
Speaker 2: Yep, he's struggling with this four wheeler again.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, we're a When I was with my little
Speaker 10: boy Matthew, there we were in a cool spot where
Speaker 10: you could hear blues and roughed at the same time.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we had, and I was like, it's like, no,
Speaker 8: he's doing that with his wings. Yep, he's doing that
Speaker 8: with his mouth.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 8: Yeah. I like hunt blue grosse a lot.
Speaker 4: Let's do one more, Phil, Sure there was a favorite
Speaker 4: summer lure for large mouth It's from Bradley.
Speaker 3: We're in Montana. That's a tough on crawl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, favorite if the if it or top water friendly conditions.
Speaker 2: There is nothing more exciting and freshwater fishing than watching
Speaker 2: a large mouth, uh just explode on a frog. So
Speaker 2: can I give something that's my favorite?
Speaker 8: I give one from nineteen eighty five. Please.
Speaker 1: Back when I was a boy.
Speaker 10: When I was a boy, the thing that we most
Speaker 10: coveted in life was like you get those pre rigged
Speaker 10: be a purple crawler, well the orange spot and the
Speaker 10: three hooks, the three hooks on it, and it had
Speaker 10: a snelled loot like you know, and you'd see them
Speaker 10: in the bait shop for like seventy nine cents.
Speaker 8: Dude, that was the lure.
Speaker 2: That was the lure man we called you must still
Speaker 2: make a crawlers, you go. So Bradley favorite again would
Speaker 2: be something anything top water. But if you just want
Speaker 2: to catch bass, throw a spinner bait or a that's
Speaker 2: like fil Like Steve said, all right, that's the end
Speaker 2: of this show. Next week, The Meat Eater Movie Club
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Speaker 2: next week. Thank you.