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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Oh you're already here.

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Speaker 3: I told you. I live under the table.

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Speaker 2: Now I should have just looked there first.

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Speaker 3: You're right, I look right.

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Speaker 2: I know I see a shadow move and Elizabeth, so hey,

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Speaker 2: you what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sit down, sit back down. Put the seat belt on.

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Speaker 3: All of our office chairs have seat belts. You've been

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Speaker 3: to a.

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Speaker 2: Cons because of the accident, we don't anyway, go on.

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Speaker 3: You've been to a concert, right, a concert, Tina. Have

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Speaker 3: you been to like a punk or heavy metal concert

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Speaker 3: ever in your life?

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Speaker 2: Don't tell my mother, but yes, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever been in a mosh pit?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: I get in the pit as they say.

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Speaker 2: I've been in a pit with skinheads like I'm for real, real, yes,

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Speaker 2: swinging elbows like real racist skin like, not like oh

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Speaker 2: their cool skinheads. They were trying to hurt me. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've not been in a pit, but I've been

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Speaker 3: along the outside of a pit.

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Speaker 2: Was shoving people back in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's were like one time I was at

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Speaker 3: a show and there was this guy who had like

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Speaker 3: Nazi patches on his jacket and it was not that

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Speaker 3: kind of show and he was running in the circle.

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Speaker 3: When he went by me, I'd put my foot out

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Speaker 3: and tripped them. Oh, I got really mad, and then

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Speaker 3: I had to like slips. I was like Homer Simpson

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Speaker 3: with the clip of like going back into the bushes.

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Speaker 3: That was me. But yeah, okay, So the pit. I've

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Speaker 3: been to a ton countless punk shows, tons of metal shows,

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Speaker 3: seen a lot of pits in my time. You and

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Speaker 3: some some say that the scariest place at a show

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Speaker 3: isn't the mosh pit, it's the bathroom.

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Speaker 2: Oh I would say the green room, but yeah, the bathroom.

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Speaker 3: They're pretty pretty gnarly. And then apropos of nothing. Are

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Speaker 3: you familiar with the water brand? Liquid?

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Speaker 2: God, we're gonna get in some cool hair?

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Speaker 3: Oh no, no, this is cool, this is super coolness.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I have, and it's all like, yeah.

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Speaker 3: But it's what Yeah? Okay. So they came out with

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Speaker 3: a product. They teamed up with another company, I line,

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Speaker 3: it's a mess up. They teamed up with another company

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Speaker 3: that you've probably heard of called depend.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I wasn't listening anymore. What and the adult

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Speaker 2: diaper company Depends.

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Speaker 3: So now they made something called a pit diaper. Are

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Speaker 3: you for real. Wow, it's seventy five dollars, but it's

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Speaker 3: sold out.

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Speaker 2: Of course, it is everybody.

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Speaker 3: It's sort of like it's plether so it's it's cruelty

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Speaker 3: free pleather. It has spikes on it. It says all

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Speaker 3: show protection. It comes with fifty two depend guards which

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Speaker 3: just kind of looks like big MAXI pats.

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Speaker 2: Oh, perfect for the NASA astronaut on the go.

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Speaker 3: In there and it's like, but it's like, do you

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Speaker 3: have It's like quilted pleather underpants, spikes and change. It's

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Speaker 3: endorsed by Ben Caller.

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Speaker 2: No, not Ben Carson, the drummer.

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Speaker 3: Of Converge Mutoid man Killer Beak.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, why not. I'm sure those are things.

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Speaker 3: Well anyway, so the pit diaper, if you want to

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Speaker 3: pee yourself while you're in the pit because the bathroom's

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Speaker 2: No, I will totally pee down my leg before that,

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Speaker 2: but go yeah.

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Speaker 3: Or if you just don't want to get out of

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Speaker 3: the pit and you've had like eighteen cans of liquid desh, sure, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and you just you're sweating it just going through. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: huh exactly, And.

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Speaker 2: I got my pit taper. Get your pit that supposed

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Speaker 2: to be like a joke like pit viper or is

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Speaker 2: that just me who hears that as.

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Speaker 3: A totally sounds like I'm going to click right now

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Speaker 3: notify me went available, and I'm putting your email in

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Speaker 3: here where I'm going to sue you. Yeah, do it,

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Speaker 3: sue me, sue you. And in closing insummation that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Stamp signed, sealed, delivered, that is ridiculous, and.

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Speaker 3: Click notify me when available. All right, you're all set.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to court. Wait, you know what's also ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: What's that before you get all high and mighty with

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Speaker 2: your Oh look what I can do with your email?

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Speaker 2: Dennis Rodman trying to save the world. Yeah, by being

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Speaker 2: Dennis Rodney. Hmmm, this is ridiculous. Crime A podcast about

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Speaker 2: absurd and outrageous Kate Burrs, heists and crimes. Always ninety

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Speaker 2: nine percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: No cons It's Caper's hest and crime. I like that.

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Speaker 3: I like our new revised It's just.

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Speaker 2: It came out wrong out of the mouth and I

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Speaker 2: wasn't going to go back.

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Elizabeth, I don't know if you've noticed this or not,

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Speaker 2: but Donald Trump is president again. I noticed, Yeah, now

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Speaker 2: I don't want to get into politics. What fun is that?

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Speaker 2: Or you know what that will mean for millions of people,

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Speaker 2: and said, I wanted to talk about the culture shift

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Speaker 2: of this moment from the standpoint of our show. Okay,

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Speaker 2: since we're in the business of ridiculousness, I want to

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Speaker 2: focus on that now. I don't know about you, but

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Speaker 2: I expect plenty of ridiculous crimes in to come. But

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Speaker 2: like you know, okay, let's just take a look back

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Speaker 2: at the previous one as president. Do you remember the

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Speaker 2: first time back when Dennis Rodman claimed he was working

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Speaker 3: You know what, it's all a blur.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is around the same time, you know, that

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Speaker 2: was the storm. But yeah, so Rodman went on CNN

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Speaker 2: international relations. Okay, I'll just reframe all this. The first

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Speaker 2: time Rodman went to North Korea, it was under Obama, right.

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Speaker 2: But then he kept going back to North Korea by

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Speaker 2: the time, exactly, it's like potato chips. By the time

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Speaker 2: Trump was president, Dennis Rodman. You never hear people say

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Speaker 2: that North Korea is like potato chips. Oh yeah, I say,

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Speaker 2: Dennis Robin says it all the time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I go out on the street. I stopped strangers,

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Speaker 3: I stop delivery people what they say about North Korea.

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Speaker 3: Once pop can't stop, and they're like, ma'am, we're.

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Speaker 2: Going to call the authorities. Sarin gave us the numbers.

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Speaker 2: By the time Trump was president, Dennis Robmin was out here,

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: So it was strange times. But you have to remember

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Speaker 2: that Dennis Robman knows Donald Trump, like he used to

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Speaker 2: out with Kim Jong un because Robin knows him too.

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Speaker 2: So Dennis Robin is one of the rare humans, the

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Speaker 2: it helps if you keep in mind that Dennis Robin

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Speaker 2: and I said Donald Trump have their history, like, so

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Speaker 2: was Aaron. What is their history? Great question, Well, they're

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Speaker 2: very similar. That's not my opinion, that's his daughter said that.

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Speaker 3: Who's daughter?

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Speaker 2: Ivanka even said as much on camera on The Celebrity Apprentice.

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Speaker 3: Oh God, yeah, back in.

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Speaker 2: Two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 3: I never saw that show. By the way, I didn't.

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Speaker 2: Really watch it either. I'm familiar with it. I would

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Speaker 2: I saw it right. Two thousand and nine, Dennis Robin

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Speaker 2: was on the show Celebrity Apprentice. Robin was the fifth

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Speaker 2: celebrity to be fired by the future president. Elizabeth, I

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Speaker 2: had to see this moment in history. So since YouTube

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Speaker 2: Dennis Robin was fired from Celebrity Apprentice. Why was the

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Speaker 2: legendary basketball player fired by Donald Trump?

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Speaker 3: Bad boy the NBA?

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Speaker 2: Great question, Elizabeth. I'm glad to bring your a game

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Speaker 2: on this one. It turns out he doesn't know how

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Speaker 2: to spell millennia.

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Speaker 3: That's how we got fired.

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Speaker 2: He misspelled millennia. It makes a lot, so I'll lay

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Speaker 2: it out for it because it was so worth it.

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Speaker 2: In the episode Rodman's team because they have these two

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Speaker 2: on a project for Milania and they're selling her whatever

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Speaker 2: then there's like stuff and then okay, you get the idea. Right,

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Speaker 2: So it's a mock up for the advertising for the

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Speaker 3: They you know, they love their products.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so at the top of his mockup are just

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Speaker 2: two words, simply Millennia. The team is shown presenting this

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Speaker 2: mock up to Milania and Eric Trump, Evanka Trump and

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Speaker 2: then later the Donald but it's a different moment anyway.

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Speaker 2: We see flashbacks of this presentation for Milania, right, So

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Speaker 2: Eric and Evanka are looking on, but also there's the

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Speaker 2: magician Pen Gilette of Penn and Teller fame.

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Speaker 3: Oh he is there.

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Speaker 2: He's on a competing team, and we see as he

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Speaker 2: sees the egregious spelling. Era and pen reacts. Milania says,

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Speaker 2: in her Slavic accent, they spelled my name wrong.

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Speaker 2: So Eric Trump says, it's incredible. I have no idea,

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Speaker 2: really flat, like you don't know if he means it's

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Speaker 2: old Latin it's not credible. Ivanka agrees with it, brother

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Speaker 2: saying how it's all over the place and nobody even noticed. Amazing.

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Speaker 2: Once again, cannot quite tell. But because she asked a question,

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Speaker 3: Going out doing what I used to do, or I

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Speaker 3: think I've talked about it. When someone says, how do

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Speaker 3: you like my outfit and it's horrific, you go, wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 3: Because it can be interpreted in all sorts of ways.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's a good one. That's like when someone asked

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Speaker 2: me about how their baby looks, like, oh, he must

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Speaker 2: look like his father. Now, Eric said, oh, you know.

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Speaker 2: He goes on, he's like, it's unbelievable, and he puts

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Speaker 2: like he's disappointed. Evanca goes one further and says it's shocking.

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised you were able to hold your tongue about

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Speaker 2: her name being missed. Milania. She's saying this to Milania. Okay, now,

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Speaker 2: how do you misspell Milania? Right? Well, she's they spelled

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Speaker 3: I, L A and I A like Milan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. You think, like, oh yeah, why not an airport, right,

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Speaker 2: she's from Milan.

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Speaker 3: She's it's a it's a draft exactly.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: Stephen Baldwin gets involved at this point. He's on the

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Speaker 2: Trump Trump twenty sixteen. Now this matters for two reasons, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: You're ready, I'm ready.

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Speaker 2: How do you think he gets there? It's not easy

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Speaker 2: He's like, you guys would just get along. So well,

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Speaker 2: Dennis Robin thought that. So in twenty fourteen, Dennis Rodman

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Speaker 2: helping me. Robin announced that he was going to go

436
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,520
Speaker 2: back to North Korea and then talk basketball and peace

437
00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,479
Speaker 2: with Kim Jong Oun and Donald Trump's blessing. When that

438
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 2: hit the headlines, future candidate Donald Trump decided to create

439
00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,919
Speaker 2: some distance from himself and the you know, the worm.

440
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,320
Speaker 2: So the realder was like, I don't know what the

441
00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,440
Speaker 2: hell he's talking about. I fired him like a dog

442
00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:26,360
Speaker 2: on the Apprentice.

443
00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:27,760
Speaker 3: Everything always like a dog.

444
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,040
Speaker 2: I made that quote up and it sounds like it does.

445
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,520
Speaker 2: On May seventh, twenty fourteen, Donald Trump did tweet and

446
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,640
Speaker 2: I quote Dennis Robin was either drunk or on drugs

447
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,360
Speaker 2: delusional when he said I wanted to go to North

448
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,200
Speaker 2: Korea with him, Glad I fired him on Apprentice. That's

449
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 2: how he put it, no dog okay, yeah, but drugs

450
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 2: and delusional Anyway, in this story, we have a whole

451
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 2: bunch of unreliable narrators. So yeah, and we're just now

452
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:56,399
Speaker 2: getting to North Korea. The deal is there's something that

453
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,680
Speaker 2: also ties Dennis Robmin to North Korea that I haven't

454
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 2: brought up up yet, the Chicago Bulls. Okay, yeah, because Elizabeth,

455
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 2: we've talked about the North Korean film industry, right, Yeah.

456
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 2: We talked about Kim Jong Ill's love a cinnamon, his

457
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,119
Speaker 2: dire to make a North Korean Godzilla movie, yeah, and

458
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 2: how he kidnapped a director and a star from South

459
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 2: Korea to make his dream project. Now I want to

460
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 2: tell you about his son, Kim Jong un, the current

461
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 2: leader of North Korea, and his love of the Chicago Bulls. Now,

462
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 2: he never kidnapped Michael Jordan. You know, he didn't pick

463
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,239
Speaker 2: off Scottie Pippen on a flight into Japan. No, but

464
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 2: what do you know about Kim Jong and leader of

465
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:32,680
Speaker 2: North Korea? Do you know much about him?

466
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 3: He wears them stove pipe pants, oh yeah, always. And

467
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 3: he's got the haircut because apparently they have like a

468
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,680
Speaker 3: there are like eight haircuts you can get there.

469
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,400
Speaker 2: Oh really, you go in. There's like a barber shop.

470
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 3: Pick one, there's a chart, you have to pick one.

471
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Speaker 3: And I know that he's a murders dictator.

472
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 2: There's that as well.

473
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 3: Uh and then I heard he likes the old basketball.

474
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:57,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there he go. It's pretty good. Well, I'll

475
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 2: tell you a little bit more about him. There was

476
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 2: an article on foreign policy in the early years just

477
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 2: after he took power from his dead father, and the

478
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 2: magazine attempted to explain this new dictator in terms that

479
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 2: Americans might understand celebrity and sports stardom. So and I

480
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,880
Speaker 2: quote North Korea's Kim Jong un is a die hard

481
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 2: basketball fan who told former Chicago Bulls player Dennis Robin

482
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 2: he had a friend for life. So in two thousand

483
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 2: and nine, Kim Jong un first takes power. The Washington

484
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 2: Posts also used basketball to help introduce its readers to

485
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 2: the new Deer Leader and what it was like as

486
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 2: this man quote classmates remember a student believe to be Kim,

487
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 2: who went to school in Switzerland under a pseudonym, who

488
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 2: was quote fiercely competitive on the court and was both

489
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 2: quote tough and fast. Okay, good ball handling skills. Anyway,

490
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 2: his school days are rather the key to understanding what

491
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 2: we can know of this North Korean dictator, since there

492
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 2: is a very limited press on him. So Kim Jong

493
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 2: un he attended private Western schools. He's educated in Switzerland,

494
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 2: among the other scions of wealth and privilege, The Washington

495
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,239
Speaker 2: Post reported back in two thousand and nine. Quote, in

496
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Speaker 2: August nineteen ninety eight, as famine reached a terror rouble

497
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 2: climax in North Korea, the destitute Asian nation enrolled a

498
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: shy teenager in a Swiss state school. He arrived with

499
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 2: a fake name, a collection of genuine top of the

500
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: line Nike sneakers, and a passion for American basketball. Now

501
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 2: they say top of the line Nike sneakers, I mean Jordan's.

502
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 2: He shows up with a like a carload to Jordan's

503
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 2: and a dream.

504
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

505
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 2: So for two years nineteen ninety eighty two thousand, Kim

506
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 2: Jong un lived quote in a sedate suburban street with

507
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 2: two pizza joints, a credit Swiss bank, and a Koop supermarket.

508
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 2: He was around seventeen when he abruptly left in the

509
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 2: middle of the school year, apparently to return to Pyongyang.

510
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 2: The reason for his rapid return or unclear. I assume

511
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 2: it was something to do with family business of being

512
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,479
Speaker 2: a dictator. Sure, now you know Kim Jong ound had family, right,

513
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 2: He's got a brother, an older brother that many believed

514
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 2: was going to be probably the one to take the throne.

515
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 3: Or as a rival, Kim Jong Bobby.

516
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 2: Kim Jong Nam. Yeah, but he never really wanted to

517
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 2: be the next year leader. He was kind of a

518
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 2: screw up, right, So for instance, he kind of blew

519
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 2: his chance to be the next dictator of North Korea

520
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 2: in two thousand and one when he tried to sneak

521
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: into Japan using a fake Chinese identity and a passport

522
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 2: from the Dominican Republic. Right when he gets popped in Japan,

523
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 2: he's wearing he just does not look right, and he's

524
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 2: got this Dominican Republic passport, this Chinese name. They're like,

525
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 2: what's up, dude, And he's like, okay, look this one

526
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 2: time future dictator. He tells the Japanese authorities, I'm just

527
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 2: here to go to Tokyo Disneyland. Can I just go

528
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 2: to Tokyo Disneyland? And that's the truth, that's really what

529
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 2: he wanted to do. So he keeps being a screw up.

530
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 2: Later on he would be doing interviews from shady gambling

531
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: dens and Macau Right. And then this was before Kim

532
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 2: Jong un had his brother liquidated in an airport in Malaysia.

533
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 2: Who's the amateur assassins? The one was dressed up with

534
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 2: a giant lol. But that's a whole one percent of

535
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 2: so we're not going to get skip past all of that.

536
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: So what was Kim Jong un like before he inherited

537
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 2: the mantle of power and engaged in fratricide. Well, he

538
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 2: speaks fluent German. We know he struggled with his Swiss

539
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 2: German accent. The local say he speaks fluent English. He

540
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 2: also was a fast learner, highly competitive good ball handling skills,

541
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 2: as I mentioned earlier. I'm kidding, but there also there's

542
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 2: a video of him. We see him as a little kid,

543
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 2: and in the video he's described as quote a life

544
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: intense looking Asian boy wearing black sweatpants, Nike Air Jordan choos,

545
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: and the long sleeved black sports shirt. He sways uncomfortably

546
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: while classmates pound African drums and beat tambourines.

547
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 3: I I want to back up, he does speak English.

548
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 3: Which kind of fluently bums me out because I in

549
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 3: my mind was imagining that he said something to the

550
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 3: interpreter and it was like, I'm going to rip your

551
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 3: face off, and then he's supposed to the interpreter is

552
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 3: supposed to tell Dennis Rodman, and instead he's like, you

553
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 3: have we are friends for life.

554
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 2: Well, there it goes that he could have done that,

555
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 2: and then Kim Jong Wan's like, yeah, fine, whatever, he

556
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: knows what thelator said. He's like, this is fun, and

557
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 2: then why didn't I think of that? That's good. So

558
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 2: at this point, his full self, as I said, comes

559
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: out on the basketball court, not when he's uh pounding

560
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: African drums or beating tambourines with the schoolmates. Right the

561
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 2: next year leader really sells on the court. He was

562
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 2: was one classmates said, very explosive. He could make things happen.

563
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 2: He was the playmaker. If I wasn't sure if I

564
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 2: could make a shot, I always knew he could.

565
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

566
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 2: So this little Jordan is just tearing up the courts

567
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 2: of Switzerland. Another memorable thing about young Kim Jong un

568
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 2: was how he quote worshiped American basketball stars. He spent

569
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 2: hours doing meticulous pencil drawings of Chicago Bulls superstar Michael Jordan. Oh,

570
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 2: so he's in his room just like you know, geeking

571
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: out on Michael Jordan doing like serial killer portraits of Right.

572
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 2: And not only that, he also got to meet because

573
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: he has the son of a dictator, he got to

574
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,479
Speaker 2: meet a number of NBA greats, not Jordan. He never

575
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:34,959
Speaker 2: got to meet him, but he did meet his teammate,

576
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: Tony co coach of the Chicago Bulls. He also had

577
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 2: a photo of him standing next to Kobe Bryant as

578
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 2: a teenager, like, yeah, there he is, and to Kobe

579
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 2: Bryant smiling. It's assumed that the photo is from an

580
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 2: NBA exhibition game in Paris, popped over from Switzerland. Anyway,

581
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan, that's his man, right, And that's how Dennis

582
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 2: Rodman ended up in North Korea. He's like, I couldn't

583
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: give Michael Jordan, I can get Dennis Rodman. Yeah. And

584
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: then Shane Smith of media, he was the shoehorn this

585
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 2: makes this happen. Yeah, So he travels in North Korea

586
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: to shoot documentaries on this hermit kingdom of the vice.

587
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 2: Media so enchanted with right. And then this is when

588
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 2: Shane Smith sees the nation loves basketball in particular, like

589
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 2: he noticed that there's a basketball given to Kim Jong Ill,

590
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 2: the father in two thousand by former Secretary of State

591
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 2: Madeline Albright. Yes, the basketball was signed by Michael Jordan.

592
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: It was a gift from President Bill Clinton. I just

593
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: so Clinton gives Kim Jong Ill a basketball with Jordan's

594
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 2: signature through Madeline Albright, deliver it, take it to the

595
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I guess the Clinton administration they

596
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 2: knew that Kim Jong Ill was crazy for the Bulls

597
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: dynasty of the late nineties.

598
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 3: What did they do given them gifts?

599
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: I don't know. They were trying to like enchant on

600
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 2: My guess. This is like a while ago, different portion

601
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: of the negotiations. And anyway, at one point, Kim Jong

602
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 2: Ill asked Michael Jordan if he would come to North

603
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: Korea to play a basketball game and exhibition game, and

604
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan, being a capitalist, was like hell no. So

605
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 2: now Kim Jong Il, he dies, right, He passes on

606
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: his love though of all things Chicago Bulls to his

607
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: son Kim Joe Moon, current dear Leader of North Korea

608
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 2: and Elizabeth do you know anything about the basketball court?

609
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: Of North Korea. I've asked you this so many times.

610
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 2: The other day I was asking this something, Elizabeth, do

611
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 2: you know anything? But I didn't get answer. The traffic passed.

612
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: The moment passed anyway. Two thousand and six, there's an

613
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 2: article in the San Diego Union Tribune that I found

614
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: where Kim Jong Ill mentions how he had a library

615
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: of every single game Michael Jordan ever played every single game. Yeah.

616
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: Not only that, he also loved it so much he

617
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: introduced the game to his country. So, but being North

618
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 2: Korean and a dictator, he reinvented it with a new

619
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: scoring system. So it's basketball but different. So North Korean

620
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: basketball slam dunk is worth three points. Yeah, and a

621
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: three pointer? How much is that worth?

622
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 3: Eight?

623
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: Four points? Well, yeah, but keep eight points in your mind.

624
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: But that's also yeah, it's also if the three pointer

625
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 2: hits nothing but net, then it's worth four points. Otherwise

626
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: it's worth three points. So you got like a bonus

627
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: point for nothing. But I was like, oh, that's clean

628
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: plus one. So my favorite North Korea scoring rule is

629
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: that they have a late game drama rule. For the

630
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: last three seconds of a game, there's a scoring bonus

631
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: if you hit a shot in the last three seconds,

632
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: it's worth eight points.

633
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 3: This is like playground.

634
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: Yes, they also have negative points because you're dictator taking

635
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: points off the board. So if you take him free

636
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: throw shot and you miss minus one point, yeah, watch

637
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: your ass shack. So even though his father once reached

638
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: it out to Michael Jordan about coming to North Korea

639
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: and Jordan was like, oh hell no, the nation release

640
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: it's dictators. Didn't give up on this dream. Yeah, so

641
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: you know who would go to play was obviously Dennis Rodman.

642
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: So twenty thirteen Shane Smith, Vice Media. They get him

643
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: over there on a good will basketball trip. They hype

644
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 2: it all up. It's gonna be a good will tour

645
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: like they had Ping Pong diplomacy, and this is gonna

646
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 2: be basketball diplomacy. So they have Dennis Rodman center over

647
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: there with the Harlem Globetrotters to North Korea. Oh gosh, yeah,

648
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 2: I sends the Harlem Globetrotters and Dennis Rodman to try

649
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: to make things better.

650
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 3: So it's like the worst Scooby Doo.

651
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: But they couldn't get all the dorg trotters. I think

652
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: a lot of them were like the hell with that

653
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: I'm taking a vacation. Three of them go Anthony, Yeah,

654
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: Anthony Blake's aka Buckets, And then there was Alex Weeks

655
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: aka Moose, and then there was Will Bullard aka Bull,

656
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: So Dennis Rodman aka the Worm, Buckets, Moose and Bull.

657
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: They all go over to ball against the North Koreans.

658
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: Everyone enjoys themselves, right. I I'm picturing though when I

659
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: imagining this, I've pictured the animated Harlem Globetrotters from Scooby Doo,

660
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: but in North Korea. Yeah yeah so fun fact, Dennis

661
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: Robmin and the Harlem Globetrotters were the first Americans to

662
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: meet the new dear leader Kim Jong Un. They were

663
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: the first, ok yeah so not only that they become friends.

664
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: So after this most remarkable trip, in twenty thirteen, Dennis

665
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: Robin tweets about his good will tour with the Harlem

666
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 2: Globetrotters and he says, quote, I'm not a politician, Kim

667
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: Jong Un and North Korean people are basketball fans. I

668
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: love everyone. Period into story. Now. One trouble about his

669
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 2: trip was how Rodman came back and reported that there

670
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: are career dictator was quote a very good guy.

671
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that guy.

672
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: People all hyped up. I was like, oh right, the

673
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: twenty four news cycles like, oh fresh meat, they might

674
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: nuts right. So the reason for Rodmin to return to

675
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 2: the US, though, was for work. He had to visit

676
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: his other dear friend, Donald Trump because he was scheduled

677
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 2: for the new twenty thirteen season of Celebrity Apprentice. So

678
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: he comes back from North Korea to go hang out

679
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: with Trump. So that same summer, Dennis Robmin explained to

680
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: Sports Illustrated what his motivations were to go to North Korea.

681
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: He said, and I quote, my mission is to break

682
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: the ice between hostile countries. Why it's been left to

683
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: me to smooth things over? I don't know. Dennis Rodman,

684
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: of all people, keeping us safe is really not my job.

685
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 2: It's the black guy's job. But I'll tell you this,

686
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 2: if I don't finish in the top three for the

687
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 2: next Nobel Peace Prize, something seriously wrong. So Dennis Rodman

688
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: is saving the world, he's nominating himself for a Nobel

689
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: Peace Prize, and he's blaming, by the way, the black

690
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: guy was, of course, President Obama. So that's who he

691
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: says his job.

692
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 3: The most important characteristic for everybody.

693
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: So by September twenty thirteen, he's back in pyoon Yang

694
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: for a second visit. Wants to go back to see

695
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: his new close friend. He meets this time the dictator's daughter,

696
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 2: and Kim Jong owns he said is a great dad. Quote.

697
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: So he had it also that he was quote trying

698
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: to open Obama in everyone's mind about North Korea. So

699
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: three months later, in December, Dennis rodbmin headed back to

700
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: North Korea. This time he's going to bring other NBA

701
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: players for another exhibition game.

702
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 3: Okay.

703
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: January twenty fourteen, Dennis Rodman brings his not quite a

704
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 2: dream team to North Korea. The team he assembled featured

705
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: former NBA players. All Right, we got Magic Johnson, Larry Bird,

706
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: Mike Wait, that's the ninety two Olympic dream Team.

707
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 3: Sorry, oh, I was like John.

708
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,479
Speaker 2: He had Dennis Rodman, Cliff Robinson, Sleepy Floyd, Vin Baker,

709
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: Craig Hodges, Kenny Anderson, Doug Christy. I bet you maybe

710
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 2: know two of those names.

711
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 3: I know zero.

712
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, if you're wondering, who are those guys? Quick Rundown,

713
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: Sleepy Floyd at that time, a fifty three year old

714
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: former NBA baller from the nineteen eighties, who was on

715
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: a bunch of bad Golden State Warriors teams you're a

716
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: lot of Now, he was working as a brand ambassador

717
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: for Comfort Revolution, a mattress company. So, and then there's

718
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: Doug Christie.

719
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 3: You know that mattress companies are.

720
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: Like money laundering. Oh yeah, we both talk about that. Yeah,

721
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: every time we see one to point one out.

722
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

723
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 2: So Doug Christie forty three at the time, probably best

724
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 2: remember for getting in a fight in the NBA back

725
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: in two thousand and two. He was a Sacramento King.

726
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: You maybe remember he fought La Lakers pretty boy Rick Fox.

727
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, and.

728
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: Who was playing for the Kings. So Christy's at the

729
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: Kings and Rick foxes for the Lakers, and he starts

730
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,239
Speaker 2: mixing it up with Fox. Both players get ejected from

731
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: the game, but they continue fighting all the way into

732
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: the tunnel, like all they're being ejected. Well, then Shaquille O'Neill,

733
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: who was injured at the time, and he's sitting there

734
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: like sideline court side, yeah, with pajamas, wearing pajamas that

735
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: he gets up. He gets in the fight. He's like

736
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: I got time.

737
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

738
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: Jack squares up against him, right, So this is why it. Also,

739
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: by the way, then Vladi Devots jumps in and he's like,

740
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: you can't pick on him, right, his great moments like.

741
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: You may not know my name, but you know the

742
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 3: name who's watched my tail exactly.

743
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,239
Speaker 2: So then we also have Kenny Anderson forty three at

744
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: the time he joined the good Will Tour to North

745
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 2: Korea because he was fired from a basketball coaching gig

746
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: in Florida. The reason d why Elizabeth. This man at

747
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: one time was the boyfriend of DJ Spinderella from Salton Pepper.

748
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, how far he had fallen. But now Dennis

749
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: Robin and Kim Jong Un we're about to give him

750
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 2: a second chance. It's like a what called a romantic

751
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 2: comedy from lifetime. Yeah, exactly. Now the next time, we

752
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 2: have Vin Baker, also forty two at the time he

753
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 2: sadly drank himself out of the NBA. So by this

754
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: point he's working as a pastor in Harlem, but he's

755
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 2: on his way back, right.

756
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 3: Guys, right.

757
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: Craig Hodges also fifty three, much older. He's a former

758
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 2: three point specialist. He was a former Chicago Bull. He'd

759
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: been a teammate and then he was there for two

760
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 2: championships with Jordan, so that's like a big plus for

761
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 2: Kim Jong Un. He's like, tell me about Michael Jordan.

762
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: So at this point we also he was basically drummed

763
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: out of the leagues. He tried to get Michael Jordan

764
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 2: to go over to Lewis Farkhon in the Nation of Islam,

765
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 2: and then everyone's like hit him away from Michael Jordan. Right,

766
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 2: we lost Muhammad Ali. We're not losing Jordan. At the

767
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: last one, we have Cliff Robinson, best of the bunch.

768
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,959
Speaker 2: He's actually a real player. Played eighteen seasons. He played

769
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: fourteen hundred games, scored nineteen thousand points. He scored more

770
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 2: points than Magic Johnson. He scored more points than Isaiah Thomas.

771
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: Like he was a baller. Right, So he gives the

772
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 2: also the best accounts of this time with the not

773
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 2: quite a dream team in North Korea, as he remembers

774
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: that the trip came together real quickly. It sounded like

775
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 2: a pipe dream, as you probably would imagine cooked up

776
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 2: in a reb parking lot where people were smoking. But

777
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: it did soon very much become a reality. Since Cliff

778
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: Robinson put it and I quote it happened so quick.

779
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 2: I didn't want to back out on him because he

780
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: feels tight with Dennis Robin. Right, So they fly to Beijing.

781
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: Because you were wondering how you get in, they flew

782
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 2: to Beijing, China. From there, they flew to peong Yang.

783
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,959
Speaker 2: When they arrived, they learn that they and the game

784
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: are actually a big birthday surprise for the Deer leader

785
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: Kim Jong Un. Oh boy, yeah, it's Cliff Robinson put it.

786
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 2: There was a moment when nobody wanted to play the game,

787
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: but then we thought, we flew all the way over

788
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: here to not play game. How's that gonna look. We

789
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: didn't plan to create an uproar. Believe me, we're not politicians.

790
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 2: We didn't go over there to disrespect our country or

791
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: do something unpatriotic. That's what really hurts me.

792
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 3: But yet you did.

793
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, So take a little break and after everg we'll

794
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: come back and we'll hear about how Cliff Robinson got hurt.

795
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: Why you hurt me? All right, Elizabeth, we're back. I'm

796
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: ready to meet the dictator with the not quite the

797
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: dream ting. So, as Kim Jong un is about to

798
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: celebrate his birthday before a crowd of thirteen thousand loyal

799
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: subjects is Cliff Robinson would put it. It was definitely

800
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: an experience. It was an experience happened so Pyongyang, North Korea,

801
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: Kim John Oon's special birthday party. But two former Chicago Bulls,

802
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: one being Dennis Rodman well as the other players, they

803
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 2: find out is Kim Jong Wuan's birthday, Like when they're

804
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 2: going on to the court.

805
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 3: They didn't know. Yeah, happy birthday.

806
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 2: Pretty much right. Get the Maryland breathy for JFK. Well,

807
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: keep that hot in mind. Cliff Robinson remembers it this

808
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: way quote. I don't think anyone other than Dennis knew

809
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: at that point in the time we were standing in

810
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: front of dignitaries and the Supreme Leader. I wasn't going

811
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: to be disrespectful in any way. It's nothing good to

812
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 2: come to that good point, Cliff Robinson. Why they called

813
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: you headband? There's nothing that you know. You don't want

814
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 2: to disappoint or disrespect a Supreme leader. Anyone called a

815
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 2: Supreme leader like that. Guy's probably kind of twitchy.

816
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

817
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 2: Well, with the Elizabeth, I'd like you to close your

818
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 2: eyes for you to picture it. It's mid morning and

819
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 2: Peong Yang North Korea, and you are late for work.

820
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: You are rushing through what feels like an endless complex

821
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 2: of basketball courts, trying doors, hoping to find the event

822
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: you're supposed to already be at your feet slap at

823
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 2: the hallway door as you run. You know that if

824
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 2: you don't make it to work on time, you might

825
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: be locked up in prison for life, or at least

826
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: that's what people whisper sometimes. Because you see Elizabeth, you

827
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 2: are a North Korean see you are responsible for introducing

828
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 2: the Deer Leader, Marshall Kim Jong U. And you are

829
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: late to the event. You see a door to your

830
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: last hope. You yank open the door and you see

831
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: a waiting crowd. That's good. In the stands, that's even better.

832
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 2: You found the right basketball court. You calm yourself with

833
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: a long, slow breath. Then you give a look and

834
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: a nod to your superior across the basketball court from you,

835
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 2: the one standing with a squad of North Korean soldiers.

836
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 2: You walk to the center of the gymnasium. You approach

837
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: a mic, and you introduce the honored guests. That's right,

838
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 2: the Deer Leader himself. After you rattle off a paragraph

839
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: of titles including a great person, the Shine, the outstanding

840
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 2: leader of the party, army and the people. A respected

841
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 2: comrade who is identical to Supreme Commander Kim jong Il,

842
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 2: who we vow with leading tears to call Kim Jong

843
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: Un our supreme Commander, our leader. And with that outwattled

844
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 2: Kim Jong Un the Shining Sun himself. He lights up

845
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 2: the gymnasium with his awkward charisma. The cheering crowd leaped

846
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 2: to their feet and applod their dear leader. This lasts

847
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 2: for several minutes. To you, it feels like an eternity. Finally,

848
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: Kim Jong Un, seated in a grand viewing platform looking

849
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 2: down on the basketball, raises a hand to hush his

850
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 2: fawning subjects. At this point, Elizabeth, you've left the mic,

851
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: and replacing you now is Dennis Rodney, wearing a blue

852
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 2: basketball jersey with the number ninety one, his old playing number,

853
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 2: and a pair of gold Rams sunglasses. Dennis Rodman coolly

854
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 2: strolls onto the basketball court. Maybe he's just high, it

855
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: looks cool either way. His extra large feet carry him

856
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: as he slowly approaches the mic. He leans down. He

857
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: begins to sway and kind of swing softly to a beat,

858
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 2: only he hears there's no music playing. Then he begins

859
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: to sing in a soft voice, Happy Birthday to you.

860
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 2: Happy birthday do you. The crowd begins to clap or

861
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 2: they go nuts. Happy birthday, Marshall, Happy birthday. Crowd goes nuts.

862
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 2: At that point, great reverence and respect. Dennis Rodman takes

863
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: off his sunglasses, flashes those peepers, waves his hand to

864
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: his friend, the dear Leader. Meanwhile, standing there too at

865
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 2: the center of the court waiting for this game to

866
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,479
Speaker 2: start is the lineup of the not quite the Dream Team.

867
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 2: They look around totally confused. They realize what's going on.

868
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 2: No one told him that they need to sing Happy

869
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 2: Birthday to the dictator. They did not sing along? Is

870
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 2: that bad? Meanwhile, you, Elizabeth will live to see their

871
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: day after this golden moment in world history. How was

872
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 2: the actual game?

873
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 3: I don't even know who are they. They're playing North.

874
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: Korea, like the basically the North Korean national team.

875
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 3: Well, and do they have they been told they have

876
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: to like throw the game?

877
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 2: No? Well, do you want to hear how it goes? Yes?

878
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 3: I do.

879
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: Cliff Robinson, the actual only reliable narrator we seem to

880
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 2: have in this story. He says, quote, out of all

881
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: the trips we've been on, they played the hardest. I

882
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 2: can respect that. What does he mean by that, Well,

883
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 2: back to all the trips, he was a good will back.

884
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: He was going on paying basketball around the world. He's

885
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 2: an old veteran. But no, no, he'd been on trips

886
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: to Dennis Rodman and others on the team doing like

887
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: this good will basketball, like, oh, we're gonna go like

888
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 2: play in check Czech Republic, play in.

889
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 3: But it was specific, dudes, No.

890
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 2: So headband Cliff Robinson, he said, and I quote, when

891
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 2: they started playing super hard and the refs weren't calling anything,

892
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: we knew how it was gonna be. So now they

893
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: got a real game on their head, right, so they

894
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: start balling out like it's like, you know, like the playground.

895
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: The team's played two games. The first was US players

896
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: versus North Korean players in last twenty minutes long twenty minutes. Yeah,

897
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: that's like basically a little less than half half a game. Yeah. Now,

898
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 2: in that time, the former NBA players lost to the

899
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 2: North Korean team forty seven to thirty nine. Remember there's

900
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: like two fifty three year olds. Dennis Robman, a couple

901
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: of like they're not in the best shape, a couple

902
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 2: of forty three year old so it's not surprising they

903
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,919
Speaker 2: lost when they're playing like these twenty two year olds

904
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 2: who've been balling. Har and Kim Jong oms a basketball fan,

905
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: So these guys are nuts.

906
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 3: Like he's probably spend all day training. Yeah, that's all.

907
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: And they eat all the food available, yes, in the

908
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 2: country at least so the North Korean state media, that's

909
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: the story they tell forty seven to thirty nine. We

910
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 2: don't have any corroborating witnesses. Cliff Robinson never tells the scar.

911
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 3: He's not to speak.

912
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 2: The second game, they mixed the squads, so Cliff Robinson

913
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: is on a game with some North Koreans, some of

914
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 2: his teammates. Other side, Dennis Robinson is playing with some

915
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: you get the idea, yeah, quote, That game was actually

916
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 2: much better. There was a lot of show boating, showing

917
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: off alley oops, slammed so and that sort of thing.

918
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 2: So after all was said and done and they get done,

919
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 2: like show Boat and the former NBA players, they return

920
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 2: to the US and they come home to a chilly,

921
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: disappointed reception from the Western media and from the head

922
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: of the NBA. But Cliff Robinson, he's loyal. Cliff Robinson

923
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: stands on business Elizabeth. He didn't pretend to be innocent

924
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: or naive. Instead, he said of his friend Dennis Robin,

925
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: and I quote, I'm not gonna blame Dennis because I

926
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 2: went on the trip knowing there's gonna be some fallout.

927
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: I looked at it as a chance to touch people

928
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 2: through basketball and visit a country that doesn't allow a

929
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: lot of people in the mention of a birthday is

930
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: when they got uncomfortable.

931
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 3: Oh, that's when they got uncomfortable.

932
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: So he had it a touching note, though, Cliff Robinson said,

933
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 2: and I quote, I have nothing but good things to

934
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 2: say about Dennis. I know Dennis's hart is in the

935
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: right place. I just want him to get things worked

936
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: out so he can live a healthy life.

937
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all any of us.

938
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 2: So his rehab buddies like, man, he needs to get

939
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 2: stressed right. So that's just one guy's opinion though, So

940
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 2: we have Sleepy Floyd. What did he say of the

941
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: Not quite a Dream Team's Goodwill Tour? Made a few words?

942
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 2: He said it was fun, a lot of funky. Now.

943
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: Charles Smith, another player from the Rodman goodwill to our

944
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: lesser player who I didn't mention earlier. Quote. We're not

945
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 2: apologizing for doing what we do. We're connecting people to

946
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 2: basketball and people to people. I love these athletes quotes.

947
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 2: Yeah right, So and then Dennis Robmin makes it all

948
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: worse because he goes on CNN, well that not quite

949
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 2: a dream team was overseas in North Korea. They film

950
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 2: a live interview with CNN's Chris.

951
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 3: Cuomo from North Korea. It's Dennis Rodmin supposed to be there.

952
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: No, no, no, yeah no, it's like not quite all cool.

953
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 2: I guess the State Department is like, how did we

954
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: let this happen? So the former CNN talking head Chris Cuomo,

955
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,439
Speaker 2: he goes after Dennis Robin for the statements he's making

956
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 2: about North Korea and about the US while he's overseas.

957
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: It's like Robin said he loved his friend Kim Jong un,

958
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: and then he this tour of basketball diplomacy was quote

959
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: a great idea for the world. Now the interview in

960
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 2: full living color. I watched it. It went about how

961
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: you probably expected. Eventually, Dennis Robin he becomes argumentative, he

962
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 2: becomes belligerent, He makes very few cogent points. Other people

963
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 2: try to help him out and start talking to the Cliff.

964
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: Robinson's there and he's like, well, actually, I think with

965
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: Dennis Joying's like no, no, I got this, you know,

966
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 2: like that kind of stuff, like yeah, like real like

967
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: James Brown energy. So Rith Cuomo uses this, he melks

968
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: this on air meltdown for ratings gold Right. The CNN

969
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 2: interview sparks international headlines around the world because at this point,

970
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 2: no Americans had really been to North Korea, they hadn't

971
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: met Kim Jong un in particular, right, and now we

972
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 2: got freak of the week. Dennis Robmin going back and

973
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: back and back and seeing it for himself and then

974
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 2: talking about what life is like on the Insider was like, well,

975
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 2: he's seeing it and he's saying all these positive things.

976
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 2: So Dennis Rodman to someone you know, most folks would

977
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: not trust as a travel advisor, but yet they're listening, right,

978
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: So people now have to start countering. So Bill Richardson,

979
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 2: former governor of New Mexico one time, a Department of

980
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 2: Energy chief, former ambassador of the UN, he goes on

981
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 2: CNN to talk bad about Dennis Rodman. He said he

982
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: was quote disappointed in the Hall of Fame NBA rebounder.

983
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: He also said that Robin quote drank a little bit

984
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 2: too much of the kool aid from North Korea. Obviously

985
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: that would be a reference to the Gym Jones mass

986
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: murder event in Jonestown.

987
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 3: Guyana, you know it's the clown show. Don't jump into

988
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 3: the clown show.

989
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 2: No, no, when Rodman.

990
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 3: You know, there are certain people you can't laud. You

991
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 3: can't loud Kim Jong Un, you can't.

992
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: You can speak about on conditions of the people, but

993
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: don't laud the leader exactly. Like there's also I gotta

994
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 2: te talk about this for a second. You know what

995
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 2: the whole thing like, don't drink the kool aid. It

996
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: wasn't kool aid aid. It was flavor aid. And people

997
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 2: always say that kool aids over here going like mister

998
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 2: kol Aid. Man's like, what I do other than go

999
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: through walls to.

1000
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 3: Deserve this, But it's so crass to use that.

1001
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:36,919
Speaker 2: It's just oh yeah, totally.

1002
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 3: It's a mass suicide event, exactly.

1003
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 2: People are very casual about it. And there are a

1004
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 2: lot of black people from Oaklands. I'm very touching.

1005
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 3: A lot of black people from a lot of children.

1006
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally now. Robin later admitted he'd been drinking before

1007
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 2: his televised CNN interview with Chris Cuomo, and he apologized

1008
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 2: for it. Yeah, I fell off the wagon. But he said,

1009
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: and I quote, I embarrassed a lot of people. I'm

1010
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 2: very sorry. At this point, I should know better than

1011
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: to make political statements. I'm truly sorry. I had been drinking.

1012
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: It's not any but by the time the interview happened,

1013
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 2: I was upset. I was overwhelmed. So he's over there

1014
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: getting drunk in North Korea. Anyway, it's a decent thing

1015
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: of him to say. Seems like a Fourth Pride apology.

1016
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 2: Robin later spoke with the outlet Dajure to reiterate how

1017
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 2: his basketball diplomacy went so badly when he meant so well.

1018
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 2: So Robin said, and I quote, I love my country.

1019
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: I love my country to death, and there's no other

1020
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: place in the world I'd rather live. But if I

1021
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: go to North Korea, the next time I go to

1022
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 2: North Korea, the fear for me of not coming back,

1023
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 2: it won't be because of North Korea. So I'm just

1024
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 2: letting you know right now, that's the real truth. Read

1025
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 2: between the lines on that one. So is Dennis Robman

1026
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 2: accusing the US of threatening his life? Well, he clarifies,

1027
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 2: when I go there, it's going to be a problem

1028
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: coming back because they could actually stop me from coming back.

1029
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 2: They could actually pull my passport. They already told me

1030
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 2: that they're afraid of me because I know so much.

1031
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 3: Now, because you know so much, as you've broken the.

1032
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: Law, Robin cos and says, who's threatening him. It's not

1033
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 2: the CIA, Elizabeth, Oh no, it's not. Robmin claims he's

1034
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: being threatened by the US Treasury Department. They want to

1035
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 2: indict me. And I'm like, for what treason They've threatened me.

1036
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: They said I gave his wife a fur coat address,

1037
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: I gave all these gifts. I was like, I did, No,

1038
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: I didn't. Now. Rodman remained optimistic about his yeah situation,

1039
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: being threatened with treason and incarceration. Next time. He wanted

1040
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: to take a special guest to North Korea. Oh no,

1041
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: Robin put it. I asked Oprah to go with me

1042
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: next time.

1043
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Elizabeth.

1044
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: In case you were wondering, Oprah did not go to

1045
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 2: North Korea.

1046
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 3: She didn't reply though those cards.

1047
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: But Robin went back in June of twenty seventeen. By then,

1048
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 2: things had changed back home in the US because Robin's

1049
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 2: old friend Donald Trump had been elected president in twenty sixteen,

1050
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,919
Speaker 2: and when Robmin went back to North Korea, he left

1051
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 2: a gift for Kim Jong un. It was a copy

1052
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 2: of Trump's nineteen eighty seven book The Art of the Deal.

1053
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 2: By this point, talk had started online in twenty seventeen.

1054
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 2: People were asking fun questions like is Dennis Rodman secretly

1055
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 2: an agent of the CIA?

1056
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how they go, That's how they put cover.

1057
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 2: Elizabeth talk grew. The CIA actually had to they actually

1058
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 2: had to comment on it, and they refused to confirm

1059
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 2: or deny whether Dennis Rodman was a secret agent of

1060
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 2: the United States. Eventually, the Washington Post covered the story

1061
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 2: and did some digging that. As the Post pointed out

1062
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 2: and I quote, multiple people involved in unofficial talks with

1063
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 2: North Korea say the Trump administration has been making overtures

1064
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 2: toward the Kim regime, including efforts to set up a

1065
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 2: secret back channel to the North Korean leader, using a quote,

1066
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: an associate of Trump's rather than the usual lineup of

1067
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 2: North Korean experts and the former officials who talked to

1068
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: Pyongyang's representatives. Now, the Post wanted to point out.

1069
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 3: They won't show up drunk. That's the problem.

1070
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 2: Now, the Post wanted to point out, in case you

1071
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 2: missed it, Rodman is Trump and Kim's only mutual acquaintance.

1072
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 2: So that associate of Trump's is Dennis Rodman. He's the

1073
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: back channel that the administration was setting up. Washington Post

1074
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Speaker 2: reported it seemed highly likely Dennis Rodman was indeed playing

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Speaker 2: spy games for the US go So when Dennis Robin

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Speaker 2: gets stopped at the Beijing airport in his trip back

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Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen on his way for this then fifth

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Speaker 2: trip to North Korea, Dennis Robin told reporters, I will

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Speaker 2: discuss my mission upon my return to the USA.

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Speaker 3: My mission, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So it seems he's getting into the spy idea at

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Speaker 2: this point. When reporters asked if Donald Trump had sent

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Speaker 2: Dennis Rodman, agent Double O ninety one to North Korea,

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Speaker 2: Rodman answered, I'm pretty sure he's happy at the fact

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Speaker 2: I'm over there trying to accomplish something we both need.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why they both need denuclearization, but apparently anyway,

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Speaker 2: So just like the Cia, the US State Department, and

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Speaker 2: the og Trump White House. They tried to deny that

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Speaker 2: Robin was in North Korea on any official capacity, and

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Speaker 2: a lot of like refused to comments. But the same year,

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Speaker 2: December twenty seventeen, Joseph Turwilliger, a professor neurobiology at Columbia University,

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Speaker 2: sounds really high regarded, right, Yeah, unique fellow he went

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Speaker 2: with Rodman to North Korea. He had this to say

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Speaker 2: quote in this tense climate, as we stand at a

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Speaker 2: perilous crossing, Rodman's unique position as a friend to the

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Speaker 2: leaders of both US and North Korea could provide a

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Speaker 2: much needed bridge to help resolve the current nuclear stand off.

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Speaker 2: The craziest part of all this, Elizabeth, it works. Dennis

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Speaker 2: Rodman opens up North Korea because at least enough for

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Speaker 2: like Donald Trump to squeeze in. So Donald Trump goes

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Speaker 2: there and has a historic denuclearization summit in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, saluting every Yeah, right, he's.

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Speaker 2: Calling everybody his friend, writing writes beautiful letters. Now, of

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Speaker 2: course Dennis Rodman was there once again in his home

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Speaker 2: away from home, North Korea. So he did it. He

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Speaker 2: opened like like like Dick Nixon opening up China, Dennis

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Speaker 2: Rodman opening out North Korea. So, Elizabeth, what's a ridiculous

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Speaker 2: take away the show?

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Speaker 3: Clown show? I'm tired of living in a clown so.

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Speaker 2: Welcome mine is welcome back to it. It's all happening.

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Speaker 2: It's all happening again.

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Speaker 3: So take deep breaths.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just embraced the ridiculous. I had to laugh

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Speaker 2: at things. That's my way. So you in the move

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Speaker 2: for talkback. Maybe this will help.

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Speaker 3: Clear one so badly right now, Producer D, can you hit.

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Speaker 2: Us with one? Oh god, super.

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Speaker 3: I love get.

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Speaker 4: Sarah and Elizabeth. Producer D. I am stuck inside in

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Speaker 4: South Louisiana under eight inches of snow. And while I'm

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Speaker 4: stuck inside, I just happened to cross some search terms

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Speaker 4: that I think y'all find interesting. First one competitive pigeon seduction.

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Speaker 4: Apparently that is an entire hobby around the world. The

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Speaker 4: other one pigeon theft. Just look it up.

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Speaker 3: There's so many layers to this.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. I mean, well, let it like, okay,

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Speaker 2: competitive pigeon seduction, what even that? I'm already type. But

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Speaker 2: also we talk about the eight inches of snow? Oh

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Speaker 2: my god, hang in there. We are my sisters is

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Speaker 2: facing similar was sending me photos. I hope you're enjoying it,

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Speaker 2: and I hope you're enjoying the coziness and the rareness

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Speaker 2: of a well, you know, like a white winter day.

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Speaker 3: But be careful, especially out on the roads.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the draftely driving. But thanks, that was awesome. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna look for that. You guys make us so happy

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Speaker 2: when you do these tacks. Please do them more often.

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Speaker 2: You can go to the iHeart app downloaded record one.

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Speaker 2: You can hear your voice here. They can also reach

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Speaker 2: out to us online at Ridiculous Crime. On social media.

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Speaker 2: We have our website, the award winning I think we

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Speaker 2: just won Canada's version of the Newberry Award for Ridiculous

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Speaker 2: Crime dot com. Go check it out. So also ridiculous

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Speaker 2: Crime at gmail dot com. If you send us an email,

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Speaker 2: please start it up with the proper salutation, dear producer,

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Speaker 2: d thank you for listening. Who will catch you next crime?

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and z Aaron Burnette,

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Speaker 2: produced and edited by our Dear Leader Marshall Dave Kristin,

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Speaker 2: and starring Alice Rutger as Judah Research is by Dennis

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Speaker 2: Rodman's former stylist, Marissa Brown. Our theme song is by

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Speaker 2: Dennis Rodman's favorite house band, Thomas Lee and Travis Duttman.

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00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 2: The host wardrobe provided by Botany five, Hugbod, guest hair

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Speaker 2: and makeup by Sparkle Shot and Ustadrogovit. Executive producers are

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Speaker 2: Dennis Rodman, Truthers, Ben Bolin, and No Brown.

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Speaker 3: Why Say It One More Time? Geeks Crime.

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