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Speaker 2: And all these networks lying about the people, the people

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Speaker 3: And where do people like that go to share the

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Speaker 2: I wish in my soul, I wish that any of

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Speaker 3: Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

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Speaker 2: If that answer is to save my country, this country.

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Speaker 4: Will be saved. Worm. Here's your host, Stephen.

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Speaker 1: It's Saturday, twenty seven December in the Ear of the Lord,

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. We are at war. You know

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Speaker 2: Do you understand For the last ten years, there have

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Speaker 3: But Charlie Kirk is dead.

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Speaker 3: Here, you can come and talk to me afterwards. This

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Speaker 2: This is a proxy on twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: I think it's way too early to be thinking about

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Speaker 2: Situation that Charlie Kirk was probably one of the most,

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Speaker 2: greater Israel. In Israel, first, you can't get a better

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Speaker 2: Kirk had some foundational beliefs. Those foundational beliefs are number one.

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Speaker 2: He's a populist nationalist. America makes its own decisions for America,

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Speaker 1: Let's face it.

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Speaker 2: It's not about Israel itself, It's about an expansion is Israel,

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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk thought that you know where Charlie Kirk fought

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Speaker 3: I know because I was there when I went back.

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Speaker 2: No urgency to go after the nuclear weapons.

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Speaker 5: illegal immigration except Donald Trump and I thought, this guy

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 5: If he has any other policies that are along with

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Speaker 5: Republican nomination. I won some famous bets that people welched on,

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Speaker 5: but nevertheless I predicted that. And then you know, in

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Speaker 5: were all pointing toward a narrow Trump victory. And so

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Speaker 5: I'd said in my book Why How Trump Won, which

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Speaker 5: between three hundred and three twenty electoral votes and the

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Speaker 1: What was it about? Because here, this is why I

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Speaker 1: What was it about? Because you correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: You come at things very much as a classic limited government,

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Speaker 1: lower involvement in your life conservative, which Israel was, you know,

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Speaker 1: Ted rus was the guy for that vertical, right. He

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Speaker 1: was a guy that was running as that guy. Correct.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the thing is, and I've written a biography of Reagan. Reagan,

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Speaker 5: as the old Milton Friedman argument that.

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Speaker 6: Free trade will win no matter what.

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Speaker 5: Well, that may be true if you can sustain yourself

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Speaker 5: over a few hundred years. But as we was becoming

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Speaker 5: Trump in mid twenty fifteen started to talk about that

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Speaker 5: in ways nobody else was, and I said, well, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I'm a free trader, but we don't have free trade

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Speaker 5: You couldn't just put a bag of blaze potato ship

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Speaker 6: And I saw Trump.

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Speaker 5: Hitting all of these buttons, and I said, well, you know,

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Speaker 5: if the thesis doesn't fit the evidence, you better change

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Speaker 6: And so I started to see.

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Speaker 5: Trump's value, which Lennon would never do, by the way,

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Speaker 5: I started to see Trump's out you, and I began

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Speaker 5: to predict well before the election that he not only

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, Larry Hanger, for one second, I want to

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Speaker 2: get more into this because I want to talk about

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Speaker 2: your books.

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Speaker 1: You're one out now about the twenty first century coming out,

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Speaker 1: and it's a good way, I think, to have people

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Speaker 1: of the year as we get ready for what will

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Speaker 1: be a quite intense year. From MAGA twenty twenty six

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Speaker 1: Bab Welcome back in uh in twenty fifteen. Because Cruz

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Speaker 1: was going to be that guy for the for the

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Speaker 1: classical limited government conservatives, and I was running Bright part

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Speaker 1: at the time, so I knew it took a lot

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Speaker 1: of incoming from those As Ben Shapiro accuses me of

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Speaker 1: turning Breitbart into Trump Pravda, when did when did you know?

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Speaker 1: And back in fifteen, when did you know that, hey,

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Speaker 1: Trump really is saying? I know it was about the

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Speaker 1: Phoenix thing, which I think was the first big rally head.

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Speaker 1: I think it was right after he announced in June,

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Speaker 2: But what did your friends? You're you're incredibly well known.

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Speaker 2: I've done a ton of stuff.

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Speaker 1: With you before. Where you teach it all these these

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Speaker 1: these groups that tried to bring in youth right, I

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Speaker 1: guess you and Peter Schweitzer you used always teach you

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Speaker 1: What kind of what kind of blowback did you get

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Speaker 1: from people that respect you? And plus you were a

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Speaker 1: huge name because you had done the blockbuster that I

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Speaker 1: think Glenn Beck had talked about and sent it to

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Speaker 1: number one. It's I believe it's the most published history

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Speaker 1: book in the history of the country, the Patriots History

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Speaker 1: of the United States. You were kind of a conservative celebrity.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 1: When you became an apostate, how were you treated?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I lost some friends or there's a number of

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Speaker 5: people I can't discuss discuss politics with on the right.

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Speaker 5: just simply went nuts.

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Speaker 1: That's the that's that's that's the name. That's the National

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Speaker 1: Review that I did a four hour in fact, just

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Speaker 1: playing over the holidays, I did a four hour in

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Speaker 1: one hour segments interview with Sam Tennenhouse that wrote the

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Speaker 1: biography of Buckley. People love, but Buckley's National Review is

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Speaker 1: not the National Review today. In fact, in the spring,

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Speaker 1: in March of sixteen, they put up the Never Trump

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Speaker 1: front of people that were prominent conservatives that would We're

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Speaker 1: going to oppose Trump under any circumstances. So National Reviews

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Speaker 1: of the traditional A lot of people I'm show on

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Speaker 1: that cover were guys saying, hey, Larry, you're one of us.

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Speaker 1: What are you doing here with a populist nationalist?

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Speaker 5: You know, I had the privilege of introducing William F.

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Speaker 5: Buckley at a speech in Santa Barbara and me and

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Speaker 5: the female president of the Young Republicans there, and Buckley

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Speaker 5: came on stage and he said, well, mister Swygart proves

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Speaker 5: And people, of course are flipped and through their dictionaries

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Speaker 5: to figure.

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Speaker 6: Out what he meant.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, there were a number of people who I thought,

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Speaker 5: surely they would just look at the evidence and it

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Speaker 5: wasn't whether or not you agreed with Trump's policies, which

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Speaker 5: I did, but I was trying to convince them, look,

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Speaker 5: look at the voter registration, and you'll see he's going

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Speaker 5: to be the candidate. I said this over and over

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Speaker 5: they refused to believe that he was going to be

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Speaker 5: changed a great deal from Ronald Reagan's day to Donald

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Speaker 5: Trump's day. You know, i'd make a point to my

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Speaker 5: students that Abraham Lincoln, with his high, screechy voice and

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Speaker 5: his long winded speeches would never have made it on

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Speaker 5: But Franklin Roosevelt had a perfect voice for radio, but

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Speaker 6: Really, But I don't think.

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Speaker 5: Reagan would make it today because our politics have become

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Speaker 5: much harder edged.

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Speaker 6: You know, elbow swinging if you will.

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Speaker 5: It's the difference between I don't know, the Boston Celtics

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Speaker 5: It's just a totally different political world that Trump was

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Speaker 5: particularly attuned to navigating because he didn't mince words, he

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Speaker 1: You know, I used to reach out to you because

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Speaker 1: this is what impressed me so much. You were a historian,

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Speaker 1: a famous historian. But you had this knowledge of the

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Speaker 2: What are the historical forces because so many people I

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Speaker 1: Really their ideal was Ronald Reagan. And Trump's a lot

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Speaker 1: of things, but he's not Ronald Reagan. What were the

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Speaker 1: that drove it that a guy populous nationalists, with a celebrity,

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Speaker 1: be try to be a public intellectual. He was truly

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Speaker 1: an entrepreneur and a business guy. But what were the

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Speaker 1: underlying forces that you said made it harder edge and

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Speaker 1: of the candidates ready in the fifteen to sixteen primary.

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Speaker 1: You know, you had the Libertarians with Rand Paul, you

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Speaker 1: You had the corporate people with you know, some of

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Speaker 1: been a picture perfect Yeah, Bobby Jendo, you had all Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you had so you had all of the and then Trump.

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Speaker 1: What had changed in the country the underlying historical forces.

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Speaker 5: Well, the obvious change was NAFTA and the hallowing out

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Speaker 5: of American industry. Nobody liked Mitt Romney could possibly run

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Speaker 5: on reindustrializing America. They just their heart wasn't in it.

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Speaker 5: They didn't believe it could happen. You know, Obama said,

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Speaker 5: all those jobs are never coming back again.

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Speaker 6: What's he going to do?

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Speaker 5: Wave a magic wand well, actually, you change a few

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Speaker 5: policies and you do have a magic wand Trump was

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Speaker 5: speaking to all of those people that had been let

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Speaker 5: go through books that have traced the twenty sixteen election,

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Speaker 5: they're very clear on the number of people who voted

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Speaker 5: economic factor, but also there was a cultural factor at work.

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Speaker 5: Our society has moved now very very fast. Is the

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Speaker 5: whole society is moving fast. Our communication networks are much

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Speaker 5: faster with cell phones, and that put a premium on

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Speaker 5: to spend five years building up a political name that

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Speaker 5: people would recognize. Trump walked into politics even though he'd

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Speaker 5: never been in politics before, as a well known figure

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Speaker 5: because he was on television so much, and so that

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Speaker 5: was a major change. And then lastly, this idea of

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Speaker 5: other hand, you know, Ronald Reagan had that great saying

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Speaker 5: Trump would do that, and he was coarse, and he

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Speaker 5: was often profane in various ways, and he would say

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Speaker 6: And that was precisely the point.

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Speaker 5: What he did say was the very stuff that average

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Speaker 5: to what just happened here over the last three months.

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Speaker 5: Over the last three months, we have seen the media,

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Speaker 6: Yet that's what not only.

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Speaker 5: their time on talking about how horrible it was what

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Speaker 5: get rid of two point five million illegal aliens. He

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Speaker 5: basically reorganized all of Latin America except for Columbia, Venezuela,

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Speaker 5: And he negotiated about four or five ceasefires around the world.

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Speaker 5: And my point has been that Trump now is moving

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Speaker 5: Congress is almost irrelevant. They got done one bill last year,

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Speaker 5: one bill. Now, by nature, the American House and Senate

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Speaker 5: going all the way back, were meant to be slow.

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Speaker 5: Congress as it is now constituted is totally out of

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Speaker 5: And I believe I can't prove it, but I believe

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Speaker 5: that that is what is responsible for thirty House Republicans

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Speaker 5: saying they'll step down in twenty two House Democrats saying

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Speaker 6: That's Trump, is it?

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Speaker 1: From the historical point of view? Was the one thing

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Speaker 1: this mins this you know, Gore Vidald called it the uniparty,

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Speaker 1: Why was it Trump that kind of picked that up?

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Speaker 5: You know, that's a tough one is to He's always

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Speaker 5: He's just sort of a blue collar guy that happened

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Speaker 6: We have a lot of those guys who.

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Speaker 5: Like Theodore Roosevelt, for a long time, was very much

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Speaker 5: What it was that Trump saw I think has in

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Speaker 5: that they really did love America, and that if he

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Speaker 6: And I think what he learned in his first term

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Speaker 5: Most of these people, not all, but most of them

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Speaker 5: Their goal is to keep the gravy train flowing, especially

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Speaker 5: as as you get like military kickbacks or whatever. And

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Speaker 5: I'm a strong defense guy, but let's not play games.

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Speaker 6: A lot of these people have.

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Speaker 2: That was you know you you come across as very scholarly,

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Speaker 2: But that's a pretty radical statement you made to end

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Speaker 1: Do you honestly? But is that is that your current beliefs?

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Speaker 2: And if so, given when I read your books on history,

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Speaker 1: When did that? When did that occur to you?

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Speaker 6: It's been occurring. You know.

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Speaker 5: Eisenhower warned about the military industrial complex for a lot

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Speaker 5: I hate to use the term corrupt, but I would

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Speaker 6: At what they've been used to their entire lives. Let

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Speaker 5: I see that as a pivotal moment in the minimizing

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Speaker 6: In nineteen ninety.

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Speaker 5: what has happened since then is that Congress increasingly has

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Speaker 6: That was pretty much it. When you get to Trump.

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Speaker 5: And his first term, after the Democrats took the House,

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Speaker 5: twenty six, what would be the real practical outcome? How

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Speaker 5: How many impeachments would they get through? Because you're not

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