Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your
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Speaker 1: in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys like CD lamb and now your hosts.
Speaker 1: Brian brought us David Hellman, Bucky Brooks, and Kyle Yeoman's.
Speaker 1: Oh it's a new Tuesday edition of the Draft Show
Speaker 1: from the s WBC Mortgage Studios, as always presented by
Speaker 1: Miller Light As the Senior Bowl is now in the
Speaker 1: rear view mirror. Next up the NFL Combine. Oh wait,
Speaker 1: I guess that's not happening this year, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: break it down regardless. Here on the Draft Show, We've
Speaker 1: got Bucky Brooks, Bryant brought us David Hellman, I'm Kyle
Speaker 1: Yeoman's Chris Beam in the back doing fantastic work as always,
Speaker 1: as we are now eighty three days out, gentlemen from
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft that is supposed to be held in Cleveland, Ohio,
Speaker 1: and well, the Senior Bowl was held in Mobile, Alabama
Speaker 1: over the last couple of days in a concluded their
Speaker 1: festivitis festivities rather on Saturday, and one credit to Jim
Speaker 1: Nage and company of getting the Senior Bowl all the
Speaker 1: way through with only one positive COVID test over thirty
Speaker 1: four hundred and ministered throughout the week down in Mobile.
Speaker 1: Two a really great showing for a lot of guys
Speaker 1: that we're going to kind of break down, some of
Speaker 1: which that may be wearing stars on the side of
Speaker 1: their helmet starting as soon as next season. So well,
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, you got a chance to break it down
Speaker 1: on Thursday, and you get to come back on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: So what were your overall thoughts of the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: and some things that you saw down in Mobile. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it was great that they were
Speaker 1: able to get the game played without a hitch. I
Speaker 1: think it was probably the most important Senior Bowl that
Speaker 1: we've seen, and sometime without the combine, without a lot
Speaker 1: of these private workouts, this is the last time that
Speaker 1: you were going to get guys get a chance to
Speaker 1: see guys play ball. And I think there are a
Speaker 1: lot of players down there that helped themselves. I think
Speaker 1: you're going to have a faction enough scouts to kind
Speaker 1: of lean on the players that played most recently, and
Speaker 1: that lasting impression from the Senior Bowl is really going
Speaker 1: to impact the way draft boards are stacked around the league. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that Buck, Yeah, I think Bucky's absolutely right.
Speaker 1: And you know, you start to talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: and you mentioned in the open kind of what's going
Speaker 1: to happen with the lack of the combine. And again,
Speaker 1: tip of the cap to Jim Naggy and the staff,
Speaker 1: Tip of the cap to the players, the coaches from
Speaker 1: Caroline in Miami for putting on a great show. It
Speaker 1: was a very competitive game, and I think there were
Speaker 1: some players that if you were talking about initially you
Speaker 1: might have had a certain level on your board. If
Speaker 1: you've evaluated kids that might have been a fifth round
Speaker 1: grade going in and now maybe hey, a good Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl helped him and elevated him. Maybe it's kind of
Speaker 1: into a third round status. Now, maybe you weren't too
Speaker 1: sure about kids from a smaller school. You know, we
Speaker 1: all learned about an offensive lineman from Whitewater, you know,
Speaker 1: and if you know now you have to go hunt
Speaker 1: that tape. And so, you know, there are a lot
Speaker 1: of things that are great about the Senior Bowl, but
Speaker 1: the fact that they were able to play the game
Speaker 1: make it competitive. Do it in a safe matter. I
Speaker 1: think it is a great testament to really the whole
Speaker 1: scouting community. It was such a relief too. You know,
Speaker 1: obviously it's an unprecedented Senior Bowls. You know, Brian, you
Speaker 1: and I didn't go, which is you know, that's a
Speaker 1: change for us, but like it felt very similar like I,
Speaker 1: you know, you get to sit down and watch the
Speaker 1: practices and see all the same stuff, Like I was
Speaker 1: watching it from my couch instead of the press box
Speaker 1: at the stadium. But you know, I still felt like
Speaker 1: I was glean information from it, and I guess, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe I should have expected that, but you're just you
Speaker 1: get so used to doing it one way over the
Speaker 1: course of seven or eight years, you know, I had
Speaker 1: a lot of misgivings, But by Thursday, I felt like
Speaker 1: I had just as similar a grasp on what was
Speaker 1: going on as I usually do. So that was it
Speaker 1: was a nice relief that you were still kind of
Speaker 1: able to glean information from mobile even though obviously very
Speaker 1: very different, it didn't feel a little bit different in
Speaker 1: the fact that I feel like if we were in
Speaker 1: the stadium and it wasn't at lad People's this year,
Speaker 1: it was across the street in South Alabama's campus, But
Speaker 1: if you were in the stadium, I feel like you
Speaker 1: would see one side of the field, whereas if you're
Speaker 1: watching from home, you actually get to see the ALL
Speaker 1: twenty two and actually kind of get to see it
Speaker 1: as it comes in. The NFL did a nice job
Speaker 1: of kind of updating things along the way, and so
Speaker 1: maybe you get to see a little bit more off
Speaker 1: the top and maybe get to not have those preconceived
Speaker 1: notions whenever it comes to scouting these players, because Brian,
Speaker 1: I mean I know you you know this very well
Speaker 1: as most do in the past of being at a
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, being in one end zone in the the
Speaker 1: defensive lineman and offensive linemen are in the other end zone.
Speaker 1: You can't really scout at that point, but if you have,
Speaker 1: if you hear some things and rumblings from other people
Speaker 1: that were in that end zone. You didn't have that
Speaker 1: this year. You just had kind of the straightforward ALL
Speaker 1: twenty two tape to evaluate in teams are the same way, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know absolutely. And Kyle, which you got to be
Speaker 1: as an old krusty scout like me and work your
Speaker 1: way in the press box where you grab binoculars and
Speaker 1: you can try and again, you got to keep your
Speaker 1: head on a swivel up there. Bucky was always down
Speaker 1: there in the middle. Buck. You liked to be right
Speaker 1: where the where the action was. I was always up top,
Speaker 1: you know, hanging out with Ozzie Newsome and you know,
Speaker 1: and that was fun for me because I always got
Speaker 1: an education sitting next to Ozzie during that time. But yeah,
Speaker 1: the evaluation part of it, if the Senior Bowl will
Speaker 1: never change, and you know the fact that you can
Speaker 1: be in the stands, that you can get the film
Speaker 1: later on, and the fact that the teams too do
Speaker 1: a great job. I thought the Carolina Panthers the Dolphins
Speaker 1: did a great job of the the type of practices
Speaker 1: that they were having, the one on one stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: that's what you want out of the Senior Bowl. You
Speaker 1: want to see those compete parts, you know, the chance
Speaker 1: when they're in the individual drills and stuff. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can see the footwork, the athletic ability, but man, it
Speaker 1: was those competitive situations that really got you go and
Speaker 1: it really helped you with your evaluation. Yeah, Brian, I
Speaker 1: think there was something too that like just the pace
Speaker 1: and tempo or practice, the fact that both of these
Speaker 1: coaching staffs to me, appear to be like these urgent
Speaker 1: teaching coaching staffs, like trying to get guys moving, trying
Speaker 1: to see if they can adjust and adapt to the tempo.
Speaker 1: I thought that was outstanding. I thought the situations that
Speaker 1: both teams utilize, whether it's two minute, whether it's coming
Speaker 1: out the back, those things that were kind of sprinkling
Speaker 1: throughout the practice state gave us a chance to see
Speaker 1: players and critical situations just to see how they performed.
Speaker 1: And you may not hold those things differently, but you
Speaker 1: do want to see how guys react when it does counting,
Speaker 1: when they are kind of keeping scoring. I did really
Speaker 1: think that Matt Rule and Brian Flores kind of stole
Speaker 1: the show. I mean, as the coaching staffs. I thought
Speaker 1: one Matt Rule, who I mean, I mentioned this last week,
Speaker 1: but I knew him down in Waco. He's always had
Speaker 1: that intense practice, even the two of days and such
Speaker 1: at Baylor and what he kind of brought from the
Speaker 1: college level. He has those same kind of practices with
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers, and you saw that of course at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowlers passed week. But man, I really like
Speaker 1: Brian Flores too, Bucky and what he brings to the
Speaker 1: table as a teaching head coach and somebody that evaluates
Speaker 1: how much do you think these prospects gained from being
Speaker 1: down there? And how much do you think coaching staffs
Speaker 1: around the league recognize the fact that they might have
Speaker 1: gained from being with these two sides. You know, I'll
Speaker 1: say you haven't haven't played in the Senior Bowl back
Speaker 1: in ninety four, long long time ago. I will say
Speaker 1: that is your first introduction to the way the pro
Speaker 1: game is, and there is a difference, the tempo, the
Speaker 1: intensity is a lot different than where you come from
Speaker 1: at the collegiate level. And I think Brian Floyd's and
Speaker 1: matell did a great job of introducing guys to the
Speaker 1: phrase a BA pro be on time, play hard, know
Speaker 1: what you're supposed to do, make sure you're prepared when
Speaker 1: you're on the field. There's a certain standard of expectation
Speaker 1: in terms of your performance. I think those things are great,
Speaker 1: and I think for those coaching staffs and personnel staffs
Speaker 1: they have such a huge advantage over everybody else because
Speaker 1: for one hundred and fifteen or so players, they really
Speaker 1: got to know them. And in a draft where you
Speaker 1: don't have the combine and the other stuff where you
Speaker 1: get to know people they have information that others won't have,
Speaker 1: and that will it should hurt help them when it
Speaker 1: comes time to make picks. Yeah, I think I think
Speaker 1: Buckie's absolutely right too. You know, when you look at
Speaker 1: the fact that they got to meet with those kids
Speaker 1: at night and talk to them about how they know,
Speaker 1: how are they taking in information? You know, every day
Speaker 1: they would try and install something, and so now you're
Speaker 1: able to look at that kid in the face and say, hey, man,
Speaker 1: he picked up everything, every check, every gian, He's taken notes,
Speaker 1: you know, very intense, or maybe it was on the
Speaker 1: other end of it where it's like, man, that kid
Speaker 1: had that far away look. I don't know if he
Speaker 1: really totally understood what we were saying. So that that's
Speaker 1: a huge advantage when you get to hang around those kids,
Speaker 1: you get to meet with them, you get to eat
Speaker 1: with them. You know, even with all the COVID stuff
Speaker 1: going on, you still have an opportunity to be with
Speaker 1: him as some of the other teams were kind of
Speaker 1: on the outside as always looking in. David oh Man,
Speaker 1: I had the how do I want to phrase it,
Speaker 1: I like I was blown away by Matt Rule, is
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to write to the point where you know,
Speaker 1: and you know, you think back to last year when
Speaker 1: the Cowboys were hiring their coach, and the big thing
Speaker 1: was like they wanted a super they wanted a super
Speaker 1: experienced guy. You know, Mike McCarthy arguably the most experienced option,
Speaker 1: and I just found myself watch in these practices and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, maybe they should have taken a
Speaker 1: chance on the rising star instead of the guy that's
Speaker 1: been around the block a few times. Because obviously I
Speaker 1: have no idea how good Matt Rule's career is going
Speaker 1: to be, but I was super impressed. And you know,
Speaker 1: based on his one season so far and what I
Speaker 1: saw from him this past week and what he did
Speaker 1: in college at multiple different places, I'm just not going
Speaker 1: to be surprised if he winds up being a very,
Speaker 1: very successful head coach. Yeah, I'm gonna give you guys
Speaker 1: a little insight. He was surprised he didn't get an
Speaker 1: opportunity to meet with the Cowboys. Yeah, he really he
Speaker 1: really wanted to meet with the Cowboys. And you know,
Speaker 1: he's a guy that went to the Jets last year
Speaker 1: and kind of talked about how he would like to
Speaker 1: put his program in place, and he had a really
Speaker 1: good understanding of what he wanted to do. The Cowboys,
Speaker 1: as we've talked about here a bunch different with the
Speaker 1: general manager, different with the director of player personnel. It's
Speaker 1: a different environment. But Matt Rule really wanted the opportunity
Speaker 1: to meet with the Dallas Voice and he just did
Speaker 1: not get that. So, you know, good for the Carolina Panthers,
Speaker 1: they got a really good football coach. This guy's wanted
Speaker 1: every level. Ye you know, you look at what he
Speaker 1: did at Temple, you look at Baylor's situation was an
Speaker 1: absolute train wreck when he got there, and you know,
Speaker 1: to get them in bowl games and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of credit to him and
Speaker 1: his staff. Took him from one to eleven and losing
Speaker 1: to Liberty and UTSA to the Sugar Bowl in three
Speaker 1: years at Baylor. I mean, that's remarkable with that's own Bucky. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there's a lesson to be learned when we
Speaker 1: talk about head coaching and head coaching searches. I think
Speaker 1: Matt Rule gives you a clear example of how you
Speaker 1: can find someone who may not have NFL experience, but
Speaker 1: they can be successful because they have built multiple programs
Speaker 1: and they have a system in place where they knew
Speaker 1: exactly what they want to do, how they want to
Speaker 1: do it, and those things. And I think what you
Speaker 1: saw from Matt rule he has a confidence that he
Speaker 1: knows exactly where he is taking whatever team he's in
Speaker 1: charge of. And because he's kind of had a tried
Speaker 1: and true formula that's been time tested and it's worked
Speaker 1: at different locations, I think that embolds him and that's
Speaker 1: why he was so I won't say arrogant, but that's
Speaker 1: why he walked away from just like, no, if I
Speaker 1: can't do it the way that I want it, I'm good.
Speaker 1: I'll wait for a situation where I can do it
Speaker 1: the way that I know needs to be done. Because
Speaker 1: I've been successful doing it that way. I think it's important. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have a lot of success. And unfortunately,
Speaker 1: like some people in the chat have joked already have
Speaker 1: him watching the periscope stream and they joke to all,
Speaker 1: we can't draft a coach. That's unfortunate whenever it comes
Speaker 1: to the Dallas Cowboys, And I mean, hey, nothing against
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. I like Matt Rule a lot, but Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy's got to make some picks coming up in the
Speaker 1: next couple of months from the Senior Bowl. So winners
Speaker 1: and losers from the Senior Bowl. And I hate even
Speaker 1: saying the word losers because I feel like it's really
Speaker 1: hard to decline whenever you go and you show out
Speaker 1: and you compete at the Senior Bowl. But Dave, you
Speaker 1: talk about sitting down and getting everything you got from
Speaker 1: mobile like you have in the past. But were there
Speaker 1: anybody that stuck out as a winner this week in
Speaker 1: somebody that really really raised their draft stock more so
Speaker 1: than you thought they would going into it. I don't
Speaker 1: know about more so than I thought they would, but like,
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it when a plan comes together.
Speaker 1: Because we sat down on Tuesday morning and you know,
Speaker 1: Bucky was unavailable, so Jeff Kavanaugh joined our show and
Speaker 1: Jeff was like, you better watch this Central Florida safety
Speaker 1: Richie grant Ye and I'm like, okay, I'm absolutely so
Speaker 1: Like that day, I sat down with his UCF tape
Speaker 1: watched that for about an hour and a half. I
Speaker 1: was like, this guy kicks ass. I like him a lot.
Speaker 1: Then I start watching Senior Bowl practice and he's kicking
Speaker 1: assid the Senior Bowl as well, like picking guys off,
Speaker 1: batting down passes. You know, watched him on tape. They
Speaker 1: used him a variety of different ways. He can cover,
Speaker 1: he's not afraid to tackle, he's a good blitzer. And
Speaker 1: he took all of that to Mobile and it certainly
Speaker 1: seemed to translate because he was definitely one of the
Speaker 1: guys that was getting talked about all week long. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I was very vaguely familiar with him when
Speaker 1: last week started, and now he's like one of my favorite,
Speaker 1: you know, defensive backs in this class. So I would
Speaker 1: say he had a hell of a week. Yeah, welcome
Speaker 1: to the party, David. Hey, nice to have you here. Hey,
Speaker 1: as long as I'm here, as long as i'm yeah, matters,
Speaker 1: as long as you make the journey. Yeah, you know, Kyle,
Speaker 1: if I could stick in the defensive back area too,
Speaker 1: I think I didn't know a whole heck of a
Speaker 1: lot about Keith Taylor from Washington, and you know, and
Speaker 1: and again when you start to watch the Washington players,
Speaker 1: you know, Elijah Molden is a guy that we we
Speaker 1: kind of talk about there and stuff. But Keith Taylor,
Speaker 1: I think really helped himself. Measuring in at six two,
Speaker 1: one hundred eighty eight pounds, you know, we're we're we're
Speaker 1: talking about a guy that's got the length he's got
Speaker 1: at the reach. He was very competitive in the drills.
Speaker 1: I remember watching a couple of times where him and
Speaker 1: des fit Patrick were going at it pretty good in
Speaker 1: the one on one stuff, and so you know, that's
Speaker 1: the kind of stuff that you really really need. You know,
Speaker 1: when you want to evaluate how's the guy. Is he
Speaker 1: around the ball, is he knocking balls down? Is he
Speaker 1: making plays? Is he sticking coverage? Is he a long
Speaker 1: rangy type of a build. I mean, as Bucky would say,
Speaker 1: he checks off a lot of the boxes for you.
Speaker 1: So that's one of those guys you have to go
Speaker 1: out there and study. Right now, the Cowboys are going
Speaker 1: to be hunting corners, They're going to be hunting safeties.
Speaker 1: You know, they're going to be hunting defensive players. Start
Speaker 1: with the guys. As you know from what I'm learning
Speaker 1: a lot about what you're going to get from this
Speaker 1: from their defensive coordinator now, is that you want these
Speaker 1: players they look for long rangy guys is what they're
Speaker 1: talking and guys that can run, they're really worried about
Speaker 1: the deep part of the field and having to carry that. See,
Speaker 1: you got to be able to run, but you got
Speaker 1: to have some link to it to be able to
Speaker 1: knock down those passes and get your hands on the balls.
Speaker 1: Keith Taylor, I thought had a really good week for
Speaker 1: from the University of Washington. Man. It's funny because you
Speaker 1: guys have hit two of the guys that really stood
Speaker 1: out to me in the secondary. Obviously, when we're looking
Speaker 1: at it from the Cowboys standpoint, all eyes are on
Speaker 1: the secondary and then up front. And so last thing
Speaker 1: about Keith Taylor six two five, he's from southern California.
Speaker 1: You know. The only thing that I think those people
Speaker 1: who were upset about the Byron Jones situation might find
Speaker 1: issue with Keith Taylor because he played three or four
Speaker 1: seasons and he doesn't have one career interception. So depending
Speaker 1: upon where the ball skills are valued over length, that
Speaker 1: could be something. So now it's about you know, we
Speaker 1: can't even really have the private workout. So at the
Speaker 1: pro day, Canny catch the ball? How does he play
Speaker 1: the ball in the air like that is the uncertainty
Speaker 1: that you can't check off in the box. Richie Grant
Speaker 1: was fantastic his ability not only to kind of play
Speaker 1: from the deep middle, but he can play man to
Speaker 1: man and one on once. He was locking people up
Speaker 1: and even bounce outside to corner. I think the other
Speaker 1: guy that stood out from Central Florida Robert Rochelle for
Speaker 1: a little bit the first couple of days when you're
Speaker 1: dig in his background, the ten a time in Louisiana
Speaker 1: third in the one hundred meters, to go with the
Speaker 1: athleticism in the twitch, I think if you're looking for
Speaker 1: these corners in this new system, you have to look
Speaker 1: for an athlete, because I think that athleticism is going
Speaker 1: to be a big part of what they want to
Speaker 1: do on the perimeter. Rochelle was how if I can
Speaker 1: mention one more guy? Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say. Rochelle was another Yeah, yeah, sure?
Speaker 1: Did I mean in Central Florida did a nice job,
Speaker 1: you know with their Josh Hypel now going to Tennessee.
Speaker 1: I mean he's been able to build a nice program
Speaker 1: there at Central Florida. Be interesting to see if he
Speaker 1: can kind of fix things in Tennessee. Now, another kid
Speaker 1: I want to point out too, on the defensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball. And this is one of my favorite schools.
Speaker 1: And David Hellman's father went to school here at Tulane,
Speaker 1: but Cambridge, Cambridge sample from Tulane. Now, this is a
Speaker 1: kid that six three you two hundred and seventy four pounds.
Speaker 1: Where you're gonna play him, You're gonna play him it in?
Speaker 1: Could you play him inside? He's kind of got that
Speaker 1: that body that can lend you to do a little
Speaker 1: bit more. But I thought he was a guy as
Speaker 1: you watch the drills and stuff like that, the way
Speaker 1: he was able to capture the edge, the way he
Speaker 1: was able to put pressure on blockers. Keep an eye
Speaker 1: on Cameron's sample going forward here as a guy that
Speaker 1: probably could rise up the board. Again, he's got a
Speaker 1: good looking body there. He could get the corner, he
Speaker 1: can attack, and he's from one of my think one
Speaker 1: of my favorite schools. I hope my son ends up
Speaker 1: there at two lane. Oh okay, how about that a
Speaker 1: little bit. It's a personal thing. Yeah, it's a personal
Speaker 1: thing here. No, I watched this kid play a bunches
Speaker 1: here again. I love I'm loving two lane football all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I love what really friends and those
Speaker 1: guys are doing down there. I think they're getting better players.
Speaker 1: And again, Sample was one of those kids. He got
Speaker 1: the invite. I think he had I think he had
Speaker 1: a great week. I he is that like perfect tweener
Speaker 1: with that body, and that's what I thought all week
Speaker 1: long when I was watching him. And then I've got
Speaker 1: a really close friend Brian, so I've got a kind
Speaker 1: of personal connection there too, that does a lot of
Speaker 1: their play by play broadcasting for Tulane. He's like an
Speaker 1: alum and does a lot of their play by play.
Speaker 1: And I asked him about Cameron Sample prior to the week,
Speaker 1: and the only two words he sent me back were badass.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what he said. He loves him, talks
Speaker 1: about the tape, talks about the way that he's stronger
Speaker 1: than what is two hundred and seventy four pounds looks
Speaker 1: at and really that you could see that on the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl tape. And Bucky, I know you were talking
Speaker 1: a little bit ago about these defensive backs. I was
Speaker 1: really impressed with the defensive backs, just based off of
Speaker 1: the fact that it was such a strong wide receiver group,
Speaker 1: and I thought the wide receivers would dominate. That was
Speaker 1: definitely not the case. I mean, y'all mentioned Richie Grant
Speaker 1: and Keith Taylor. Keith Taylor I thought had a really
Speaker 1: slow start to the week, and then he had one
Speaker 1: of the best finishes to the week out of anybody
Speaker 1: in the entire group of prospects down in Mobile. So
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, guys, but I was really
Speaker 1: impressed with what the defensive backs showed out against a
Speaker 1: really good wide receiver group. Oh sorry, I want to, Bucky,
Speaker 1: when you get down, I want to ask you a
Speaker 1: question about a player in particularly want to I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get your no, Like none of it's funny you talk
Speaker 1: about the defensive backs. I do believe there were some
Speaker 1: guys that didn't play in the game that kind of
Speaker 1: helped themselves early in the week on the defensive front.
Speaker 1: Levi on Zarique just at one that Tuesday, Yeah, the Tuesday.
Speaker 1: His hand skills like I remember writing in my nose,
Speaker 1: like man, he's missed Miyagi, like the way that he
Speaker 1: uses his hands, wax on, wax off, he does a
Speaker 1: great job. And Boogie Basham from Wake Forest. Yeah, boogie
Speaker 1: Basham's athleticism and stuff. I remember writing up a report
Speaker 1: on him last year because I thought he was gonna
Speaker 1: come out early and really liking him. But watching him
Speaker 1: in his explosiveness and twitch in a class that man,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of just uncertainty of defensive tackle, defensive
Speaker 1: van ken, this got kick inside, all this other stuff.
Speaker 1: I just think those names are going to get hotter
Speaker 1: as we get closer to the draft. Yeah, he's kind
Speaker 1: of funny to watch that wake Forest tamp He's got
Speaker 1: that single number, that number nine, so you're kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know he's but you hate that looking kid physically,
Speaker 1: I mean really good looking kid. Hey, Bucky, if I
Speaker 1: could go back to you, the kid that kind of
Speaker 1: caught my eye was the Michael Carter kid from North Carolina. Though, Okay,
Speaker 1: where where do you see him? You know where? I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of people really like him, but where
Speaker 1: do you kind of see him in the in the
Speaker 1: in the mixing thing? Because I know people are bashing
Speaker 1: running backs now, you don't want to take him high.
Speaker 1: Is this one of those kids that's going to fit
Speaker 1: into the mix Because I liked what I saw the
Speaker 1: power with this kid running the football. You know, it's
Speaker 1: funny Brian and watching North Carolina Javonta Williams is to
Speaker 1: do like Javonta Williams is the one. Michael Carter would start,
Speaker 1: Javontay Williams would come in. Javonta Williams finished the year
Speaker 1: where maybe twenty two twenty three touchdowns, has more explosiveness
Speaker 1: in those things. I thought it was actually good for
Speaker 1: Michael Carter to be away from North Carolina, to get
Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl and be able to have the
Speaker 1: stage to himself because he is a lot better than
Speaker 1: even I give him for his ballast and shifting this
Speaker 1: inside is terrific, but then his natural ability to catch
Speaker 1: the ball on the edge. I think he's someone where
Speaker 1: the sweet spot for running backs. In my mind, day two, second,
Speaker 1: third round, I think he's in that mix. I think
Speaker 1: he has the ability to potentially be in every down
Speaker 1: guy because in pass protection he was not afraid to
Speaker 1: stick his nose in the fan, and that is it's
Speaker 1: hard to find guys that can get that part of
Speaker 1: the game. I think he's more than just a change
Speaker 1: of pace prospect. I love that saying, Bucky, but every
Speaker 1: time you say it, stick your nose in the fan.
Speaker 1: It makes me like, just imagine getting my nose hit
Speaker 1: by a fan, and I don't want to. I'm not
Speaker 1: one of those guys. You you would have to take
Speaker 1: that saying off of my film evaluation. Unfortunately. But when
Speaker 1: we come back, we've got some crazy Twitter on the
Speaker 1: twenty just by the way we've got we're getting wild
Speaker 1: on Twitter on the twenty today. Couldn't the Cowboys somehow
Speaker 1: come out with three first round picks. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about with some of the craziest draft scenarios you've ever
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Speaker 1: which one's the best or where is the best place
Speaker 1: to get a vertical threat at wide receiver? And then
Speaker 1: in the third segment, we'll talk about who had their
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Speaker 1: Second segment here of the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show,
Speaker 1: And of course two days a week now throughout the offseason,
Speaker 1: we've got Bucky Brooks, We've got David Helmett, Brian brought us,
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Speaker 1: twenty here it is from Chris Beam in the back
Speaker 1: as always, and we do have some crazy scenarios to
Speaker 1: talk about on Twitter on the twenty. Friends of the
Speaker 1: show chiming in lots of great questions again as always,
Speaker 1: I mean really throughout the entirety of the Draft Show.
Speaker 1: This is episode fifteen already of the Draft Show. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's I think it's seven for you guys or eight
Speaker 1: for you guys, but it's fifteen for me, which is
Speaker 1: crazy to think about. So Mark Bristow, he says, Friend
Speaker 1: of the Show, Mark Bristow worked the draft trade chart
Speaker 1: and came out with three first rounders and a third rounder.
Speaker 1: So he was trying to do some work to get
Speaker 1: the Cowboys back up a little bit further in the
Speaker 1: draft board. Now, I know that's completely unrealistic, and so
Speaker 1: does everybody think that here, but it's something like that
Speaker 1: more preferable than the ten picks they have scattered throughout
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft with the compics that they have to
Speaker 1: work with. When you talk about the Dallas Cowboys, David Hellman,
Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent sure I'm following what you're asking? So, like,
Speaker 1: are we what are we? We're talking about trading up
Speaker 1: or trading away from the tenth pick. So he wants
Speaker 1: to keep the tenth pick and then take the ten
Speaker 1: picks that we have collectively and somehow work away to
Speaker 1: three first rounders and a third rounder. Does that make sense? Oh?
Speaker 1: So that's so that's all you have is those four picks, yes,
Speaker 1: instead of the ten? What are we? I mean, there's
Speaker 1: no way those other, like eight or nine picks are
Speaker 1: gonna be enough to get you two more first round picks.
Speaker 1: I mean, what are we giving up that gets you that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't really know what trade he's looking at. I
Speaker 1: think it would have to be it would have to
Speaker 1: be future ones. I mean, to get to have three
Speaker 1: first round picks, you gotta be talking about giving up
Speaker 1: future ones or players. Maybe. In general, I'm the first
Speaker 1: to say, like as far as like I really only
Speaker 1: truly care about first through fourth round picks, like top
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty. Those are the picks that matter.
Speaker 1: Those are the picks that really, you know, build your roster.
Speaker 1: Everything else is kind of a crapshoot. So if you
Speaker 1: can get me more valuable picks. I'm down to get
Speaker 1: rid of some of those lesser ones. The problem is,
Speaker 1: the lesser ones aren't worth that much. So if you
Speaker 1: want to trade a few of them and maybe get
Speaker 1: me an extra third or I don't know, maybe an
Speaker 1: extra second, I'm all for it. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: three first round picks. You got to give up way
Speaker 1: more than just your other nine. Sure do that. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's very realistic. Yeah, I think that if
Speaker 1: you know, if you really want to go up in
Speaker 1: this draft, I mean, all you really have to do
Speaker 1: is give up if you want to go to the
Speaker 1: five spot. Now, Cincinnati historically is a different team to
Speaker 1: trade with because when you call Duke Tobin and those
Speaker 1: guys on the phone, they say, hey, nice to hear
Speaker 1: from you, Brian, Okay, thanks for calling, and you need
Speaker 1: to ever hear from them again, you know, three days
Speaker 1: of the draft. Everybody else you talk to multiple times.
Speaker 1: Cincinnati is one of those teams at five. If you
Speaker 1: were interested in going that high, that would only cost
Speaker 1: you forty four that the you know, your second round pick,
Speaker 1: so you know you're thinking about a four hundred point
Speaker 1: difference right there. Those are the kinds of trades I
Speaker 1: would think about maybe trying to go up in the
Speaker 1: first round if you're interested. I mean, you might be
Speaker 1: in a situation where we need to see what happens
Speaker 1: with the quarterback. I know it's a broken record, you know. Really,
Speaker 1: March ninth, to me is kind of a drop dead
Speaker 1: day for the Cowboys if we go back on this tag.
Speaker 1: The last day you can tag a player is on
Speaker 1: March tenth if they don't have a contract done by
Speaker 1: March ninth. I am seriously thinking about evaluating quarterbacks. I
Speaker 1: really am. I don't know if I can. I could
Speaker 1: go another year and just say, okay, fine, well, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll play on the tag again, and then you know,
Speaker 1: and try and do this all over again. I don't
Speaker 1: know how you can do business that way, but you know,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys might think that's necessary to do. But if
Speaker 1: you're going to go up, you need to go up,
Speaker 1: and to get in the top five, you want to
Speaker 1: to potentially get one of these quarterbacks. Can I hijack
Speaker 1: this for one? Secon Kyle, I want to hijack this? Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if that's the right term,
Speaker 1: but that's fine. We all saw. We all saw what
Speaker 1: happened with the Rams and the Lions trading Matt Stafford
Speaker 1: for Jared Goff, and it got me thinking. It got
Speaker 1: me thinking about some hypotheticals. Bucky or and Brian, both
Speaker 1: of you. Kyle too sweet, if Miami, if Miami offered
Speaker 1: you the third overall pick, the eighties overall pick and
Speaker 1: two ah for Dak, would you do it? I would. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If we get to March ninth and we don't have
Speaker 1: him signed, yeah, sure, I'd absolutely think about it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll see you what. To be honest with you, though,
Speaker 1: I mean the Rams took the Rams gave up multiple
Speaker 1: ones or gave up a one just so the Lions
Speaker 1: would take a bad contract. That's why they gave up.
Speaker 1: You know, Less snead those guys, I mean less, Less
Speaker 1: does it. Less trust his pro evaluations of established players
Speaker 1: more than he does drafting players. Even though he drafted
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, you know he that was that was one
Speaker 1: of the best picks ever made. But Less trust his
Speaker 1: pro evaluations of established players more than he does the
Speaker 1: players they can draft. But they had to kick that
Speaker 1: one so that Detroit would take that bad contract of golf.
Speaker 1: So you're not in a situation where you have to
Speaker 1: do that if you're anybody else. But yeah, you give
Speaker 1: me an opportunity. I don't have a quarterback signed. You
Speaker 1: give me three, you give me eighteen, you trade me
Speaker 1: to a Now we need to know what the Cowboys
Speaker 1: think about TOAs medical condition. You know, maybe they didn't
Speaker 1: like the hip, you know, I mean we need to
Speaker 1: ask if that would be the case. But yeah, with
Speaker 1: the third with the third pick, you could absolutely draft
Speaker 1: a quarterback if you wanted to. You could you could
Speaker 1: draft any defensive player you wanted to. You could take
Speaker 1: any offensive lineman you wanted to. Bucky's smiling all right now, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like, and I know it's weird because
Speaker 1: I come from the college scouting thing and I should
Speaker 1: be in love with picks. Man, give me players over
Speaker 1: picks all day. I kind of like to know what
Speaker 1: I have, what I'm getting, And I think, okay, thanks, thanks.
Speaker 1: I think, I think, I think if i'm if I'm
Speaker 1: less sneed and those guys, I understand the fascination. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that maybe Matthew Stafford is that guy. We'll see,
Speaker 1: but I do understand it has worked for them when
Speaker 1: they've made these when they've made these, they don't like drafting, Buckie.
Speaker 1: They don't like draft don't players. Well, look, if we're
Speaker 1: talking about it being a fifty fifty coin flip in
Speaker 1: terms of a first round pick turning into like not
Speaker 1: only a legitimate starter, but a star player. If I
Speaker 1: can get one that, I know Jalen Ramsey's gonna be
Speaker 1: a shut down corner. I bring him and you put
Speaker 1: him into sinstem he plays like that, I'm good. If
Speaker 1: I can even snatch, Like if I can snatch Brandon
Speaker 1: Cooks and he can give me the deep thread of building,
Speaker 1: we end up in the super Bowl because he averaged
Speaker 1: fifteen yards of catch, I'm okay with that. I think
Speaker 1: what they've been able to do is they've hit him
Speaker 1: those mid round guys. But part of the reason why
Speaker 1: those mid round guys hit is because the stars are
Speaker 1: so overwhelming, and so they're not putting roles that put
Speaker 1: them out of their comfort zone. And so I don't know, like,
Speaker 1: I think it's great that we well like was behind
Speaker 1: doing number one, two and three. But yeah, yeah, players,
Speaker 1: you've said that before, and and I don't disagree with you.
Speaker 1: The thing about this is, though you're you're in a
Speaker 1: little bit of a salary cap league, and we're all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, they've had to eat some
Speaker 1: dead money on a running back. They're eating dead money
Speaker 1: on a quarterback. Now, eventually you wonder, you know, let's
Speaker 1: need has taken the attitude of if I just get
Speaker 1: rid of all these picks and it doesn't work and
Speaker 1: I get fired, this is somebody else's problem. It's not
Speaker 1: my problem anymore. This is Bucky Brooks coming in and
Speaker 1: running Bucky. Bucky'll be sitting there like, oh wow, I'm
Speaker 1: running a team now with no picks. I guess I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get fired in three years now. Let's players looking
Speaker 1: at this very moment. Yeah, let's let's just I mean,
Speaker 1: I talked the least I talked to last when he
Speaker 1: was working with you, Fisher. I talked to Less. I go, hey, man,
Speaker 1: how you hold up. He's like, man, I'm gonna get fired.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what what do you mean? He goes, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, he goes, Bruten's gonna come in here. He's
Speaker 1: gonna blow us all out. I'm like, huh okay. He
Speaker 1: goes from getting blown out to get like a five
Speaker 1: year contract. But you know what. That urgency Bright, that
Speaker 1: urgency has enabled him to keep his job because I've
Speaker 1: never seen a guy. I've never seen a guy more scared.
Speaker 1: I've never seen a guy more scared and taking first
Speaker 1: round picks than him. It's amazing. I mean that tackle
Speaker 1: he took from Albert back in the day, that a
Speaker 1: kid third overall whatever might have just scared him so
Speaker 1: bad that he can't Oh, I don't want to draft it.
Speaker 1: Yeah about the third quarterback? How about the quarterback that
Speaker 1: he just begged the Lions to take off his hands too?
Speaker 1: The number one overall pick. Yeah, I will say this,
Speaker 1: I love I still get me wrong. They have They
Speaker 1: have dumped on Jerry Goff like in a major, major way.
Speaker 1: And I will say that Sean McVeigh has a lot
Speaker 1: of John rooting to them where they fall in and
Speaker 1: out of love really really quickly. And I just wonder,
Speaker 1: like people have caught up to the scheme, and I
Speaker 1: just wonder when he looks around, he's like, hey man,
Speaker 1: the X and no's aren't popping like they used to.
Speaker 1: I gotta swap out people. But at some point you're
Speaker 1: gonna look at the coach and we're like, well, maybe
Speaker 1: it's maybe it's not the people, maybe it's the coach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then again you want to go coach there again,
Speaker 1: but you have no first round picks. I mean, hey, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: that's great. But like I said, hey, this this this
Speaker 1: whole thing with the Cowboys. Seriously, I would look, if
Speaker 1: you're a Cowboy fan and you're listening to this show,
Speaker 1: March ninth is a day you need to circle on
Speaker 1: your calendar. Brian, I am obviously right there with you,
Speaker 1: because I mean, I have a sticky note on my
Speaker 1: laptop for everybody watching. I don't know if you can
Speaker 1: watch this, you're not gonna see it. I gotta sticky
Speaker 1: note to the dates. Hold it to your left. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well it's it's you can't see it right now, but
Speaker 1: everybody at home can. But I've got a date now
Speaker 1: and and all of it's the all of the offseason dates,
Speaker 1: all the way down to the NFL Draft, And the
Speaker 1: only one I have in a box, it's the Franchise
Speaker 1: in Transition tag period deadline, because I think that's the
Speaker 1: most important date in the DAK contract era. And Dave,
Speaker 1: you asked this question earlier, and I'm gonna look like
Speaker 1: a little bit of a hypocrite here because I sat
Speaker 1: on Talking Cowboys yesterday morning and said, it's so hard
Speaker 1: to find a franchise quarterback that you'd have to put
Speaker 1: together a pretty sweet package in order to do so.
Speaker 1: And we were talking about Deshaun Watson in the case.
Speaker 1: But if you told me that I had the third
Speaker 1: overall pick, the tenth overall pick, the eighteenth overall pick,
Speaker 1: and two a Tunga Vloa, I think I would do
Speaker 1: it because that, I mean, you're giving me Pina soul
Speaker 1: Patrick's ertan Christian Barmore and a young quarterback on a
Speaker 1: rookie deal that I could go and try and find
Speaker 1: some other pieces to go around. Oh my gosh, I
Speaker 1: would be all for that. But I've also I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm a draft at the same time, I think you
Speaker 1: have to still consider drafting a quarterback with that third
Speaker 1: overall pick, if even with two just that's just yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean it's early, but I wasn't blown away by
Speaker 1: what I saw from two over the second half of
Speaker 1: last season. But I'm with you though I'm I'm the
Speaker 1: king of the keep Dak bandwagon. I want Dak on
Speaker 1: this team. I agree, But you're falling off the bandwagon. No,
Speaker 1: that's just a hell treguing, Brian. You're Brian. You are
Speaker 1: the king of like, investigating, educating. You gotta consider all angles.
Speaker 1: And if you're telling me that's the package, if you're
Speaker 1: giving me two first round picks and a young quarterback
Speaker 1: on a rookie deal, that's really hard to I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying. If you're a Cowboy fan, yeah, you
Speaker 1: you probably don't want Dak to be traded. You want
Speaker 1: Dak to be signed, you do, you do want him
Speaker 1: to get signed, but they have messed this thing up
Speaker 1: for two years. Yeah, well now was so messed up
Speaker 1: that what's going to happen is like when you signed him,
Speaker 1: you can sign him to a major deal. That is like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, almost a one hundred per send more
Speaker 1: than what could have got him done three years ago
Speaker 1: if you'd just been proactive. And when you can't add
Speaker 1: pieces around them, everyone's gonna blame the quarterback. And so
Speaker 1: just because I mean, I can't really understand why it
Speaker 1: went like the other guys get their money before the
Speaker 1: quarterback because most of them don't operate like that. But
Speaker 1: now you're in a situation. I do wonder, given what
Speaker 1: we know about teams playing with quarterbacks on rookie deals,
Speaker 1: who is going to be the bull general manager that
Speaker 1: treats the NFL game like college, where you recruit those guys.
Speaker 1: You're there, you're on their station right now. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: this general manager doesn't have to worry about paying for
Speaker 1: his lake house. The rest of us that we're doing this,
Speaker 1: and you're like, man, I'm gonna lose my job. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna lose my job if I make this move. A
Speaker 1: team that has a general manager that's not going to
Speaker 1: get fired New England, Dallas, they're going to They're gonna
Speaker 1: be the first team to say, no, we're not gonna
Speaker 1: pay somebody forty million dollars because it's gonna keep turning
Speaker 1: this thing over. Because because Marian, depending on who your coach, like,
Speaker 1: just think about it. Like it's almost like the way
Speaker 1: when I was in Caroline, the way we treat a
Speaker 1: running backs draft one high right them to the wheels
Speaker 1: fall off in year four, draft another one because year
Speaker 1: five we're letting the guy go with quarterbacks. If you
Speaker 1: have a quarterback friendly system, like say the Shanahan system,
Speaker 1: that makes everybody look like a really good quarterback if
Speaker 1: you're just plugging and playing, and then I'm guaranteed to
Speaker 1: get all the stars around them. Like I'm waiting for
Speaker 1: someone to say, like, hey, I'll do I'll take this
Speaker 1: different approach. Yeah. This is why when we keep talking
Speaker 1: about drafting offensive linemen for the Cowboys, every be goes, oh,
Speaker 1: they need defensive help. I'm thinking, nah, because you might
Speaker 1: have a new quarterback. You know, you might have to
Speaker 1: you know, you've got all these weapons at receivers, you
Speaker 1: got two quality tied ends it look like. But man,
Speaker 1: your offensive line, that might be the lifeblood to keep
Speaker 1: things going. You know. Yeah, yeah, you need defensive help.
Speaker 1: But a defensive help is not as good as the
Speaker 1: offensive line that you're gonna look at it right now.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, but Brian Dallas could be
Speaker 1: the first team. Yeah. If the Cowboys offensive line was
Speaker 1: healthy this year, I think they have three more wins.
Speaker 1: I really do. I think they have three more wins.
Speaker 1: In the middle of that, if the Cowboys have it,
Speaker 1: and then you get in, you're indivision. If Dak doesn't
Speaker 1: get hurt, well, yeah, okay, that's fair. I didn't even
Speaker 1: throw Dak's injury in there, but I'm saying I mean,
Speaker 1: like healthy offensive line is important. Yeah, healthy offensive line
Speaker 1: would have given them an opportunity to really win more game. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: even with the Dak injury. I could talk about this
Speaker 1: all day, I really could. I think this is a
Speaker 1: fantastic conversation I'm learning just from listening to you guys.
Speaker 1: And then plus I mean as somebody who's heavily invested
Speaker 1: in the Cowboys even as a fan growing up, I
Speaker 1: mean this is this is conversations you don't necessarily want
Speaker 1: to hear, but you have to have these conversations in
Speaker 1: an NFL front office. You have to have that mentality
Speaker 1: of looking at your options and true and look around.
Speaker 1: I never, I never thought I would hear David Helman
Speaker 1: punt on deck Press like, look, hey, hey, hey, that
Speaker 1: clause and the easter bunny don't exists. They do need
Speaker 1: to pay my teeth under the pillow because the tooth
Speaker 1: fairy doesn't. David Helman is punting on him deck Press.
Speaker 1: Let Kyle is absolutely right, just like you, you have
Speaker 1: to you have to have every conversation, You have to
Speaker 1: consider every angle. You got to if not loved my
Speaker 1: favorite thing about the Draft show is dragging you guys
Speaker 1: in the UK with I have nobody to blame for
Speaker 1: this but myself. You're the one that Hicky buck He's
Speaker 1: trying to be strong. Ye, Bucky's trying to be strong. Dave,
Speaker 1: he folded like a NA. That's Brian, You're such You're
Speaker 1: such a liar, Bro, You're such a liar. You're the
Speaker 1: You're the trade king. You want to trade everybody. He's
Speaker 1: gonna get off this broadcast. He's gonna go, good, what
Speaker 1: did I do? St oh man? But I love how
Speaker 1: like Brian's even the one that was like, yeah, after
Speaker 1: a certain date, let's do it, let's figure this thing out.
Speaker 1: But then if then he just he just tagonized. Davis
Speaker 1: tried to trade. Yeah, Bryan's tried to trade every good
Speaker 1: player on this team at some point in the last
Speaker 1: like five years. I mean, do you blame him? Signed?
Speaker 1: I don't blame him. I gotta get just numbers, just
Speaker 1: numbers on jerseys days, right, don't buy a jersey with
Speaker 1: the name on the back, holding the stand jersey no
Speaker 1: name on the back? Oh man, all right, I do
Speaker 1: want to ask one more question, because we've only asked
Speaker 1: one question on Twitter on the twenty But that was
Speaker 1: so fun. That's so fun. That's fair. Uh. David Leach
Speaker 1: and Jay I'm gonna actually combine their questions here. They
Speaker 1: both asked about a vertical threat at wide receiver, saying
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys could definitely use one, maybe a Tyreek
Speaker 1: Kill type of player, not Tyreek Kill comp or anything,
Speaker 1: but somebody that's kind of a later pick in the
Speaker 1: draft that could turn out to be a burner at
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Anybody stick out to you, Bucky in terms
Speaker 1: of some of those burners at wide receiver, and somebody
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys might potentially be interested in putting in
Speaker 1: this offense. You know, it's hard because they have so
Speaker 1: much firepower already. But here's what I would say, And
Speaker 1: I don't want to hijack the conversation, but I do
Speaker 1: have a strong belief coming from the Green Bay. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you ever need to really go heavy
Speaker 1: at wide receiver. Like there's so many guys that you
Speaker 1: find in later rounds. Tyreek Hill was a fifth round pick.
Speaker 1: Some of that was due to the character concerns. I
Speaker 1: think it's just a matter of scouting your room. Do
Speaker 1: you have a great teacher at wide receiver, at the
Speaker 1: wide receiver coach position, and can they developed because I
Speaker 1: think those Burners, those guys that stressed to feel I
Speaker 1: don't know if you really need to invest significant money
Speaker 1: in that position or significant draft capital in the Sorry, Bucky, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm with yeah, No, I'm you know, Bucky.
Speaker 1: You know he and I grew up in the same system.
Speaker 1: And you know the thing with the wide receivers, I'm
Speaker 1: really happy they got set Lamb. I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna be able to keep Michael Gallop.
Speaker 1: He's probably gonna have to you know, you're probably gonna
Speaker 1: move on. Maybe he's a guy that you know, if
Speaker 1: you if you feel like that you are going to
Speaker 1: pick a wide receiver, you have one in mind that
Speaker 1: you want to take. Maybe you maybe take that opportunity
Speaker 1: to get something from Michael Gallop if you can right now,
Speaker 1: and then drafts replacement. I without really knowing times, but
Speaker 1: you know, if you look at some of these receivers,
Speaker 1: and the kid that kind of stood out was at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl was the Amory Rogers kid from Climson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, and I was thinking, like, Okay, what
Speaker 1: is he? Is he at five night? I mean, he's
Speaker 1: a good I mean he's a shorter guy, but he's thick,
Speaker 1: and I've kind of watching him. But I watched Clemson
Speaker 1: tape and I'm watching him make plays down the field.
Speaker 1: I'm watching him make plays underneath. I'm watching him. Do
Speaker 1: you know all these things? Sure you can, you can
Speaker 1: go out and you know, and maybe even if you're
Speaker 1: talking about I don't know, is he a second round guy?
Speaker 1: Is he a third round guy? You know I'm trying
Speaker 1: to later in the draft. I mean, yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: a crapshoot. You know, when you start talking about those,
Speaker 1: maybe you're just drapped in traits. I haven't seen anybody
Speaker 1: got to the point where it's been laid enough where
Speaker 1: I say, oh wow, this kid really runs well. But
Speaker 1: he's inconsistent. I can that. The guy that kind of
Speaker 1: caught my eye was was was Rogers at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: But watching Rogers on Clemson tape this year, I thought
Speaker 1: he would had a pretty a pretty good campaign. Michael,
Speaker 1: A little bit earlier than what we're talking about right now.
Speaker 1: For what we're looking for, I would just um, I
Speaker 1: mean if you're I mean, since we're talking about the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, you got to mention Dwayne Esker and he
Speaker 1: was another. I mean, you talk about guys that raised
Speaker 1: their stock, the Western Michigan wide out, polished, just beat
Speaker 1: up on a lot of guys last week. Seems like
Speaker 1: a really great route runner. I don't know if he's
Speaker 1: like Tyreek Hill fast, but how many people really are?
Speaker 1: And I mean, if you want to talk about short
Speaker 1: guys that are really fast, Rondel Moore come to mind
Speaker 1: as well. Um Tony from Florida two another. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: those those guys definitely exist. I mean I'm always down
Speaker 1: to take a flyer on a guy. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to spend a huge resource on a
Speaker 1: receiver this year unless you're telling me we're trading Michael Gallup. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean if you could get one of
Speaker 1: those guys in the fourth round or later on, that's
Speaker 1: fine with me. Can I get you guys to get
Speaker 1: on the Dimitric Felton go for it? Bucky Dimitric Field
Speaker 1: from UCLA pass, Yeah, because he's like I mean, he's
Speaker 1: a running back between he's gonna play, They're gonna played.
Speaker 1: Wide receiver, right, Yeah, But I think like if you're
Speaker 1: talking about Dallas and specific Mike McCarthy, he has that
Speaker 1: Ramba Cobb type of stuff to him. So if you're
Speaker 1: thinking about that, I don't know. Yeah, Like in terms
Speaker 1: of vertical threat, it's hard because like this dis draft
Speaker 1: is different because you have a bunch of guys that
Speaker 1: can play, but I don't know, like two to at
Speaker 1: Will from Louisville can take the top off it, but
Speaker 1: he's a little and I just don't know what are
Speaker 1: the considerations when it comes to thin receivers because I'm
Speaker 1: not really a big fan of the skinny news on
Speaker 1: the outside. That's that's hard for me. I think that's
Speaker 1: kind of what the questions asking is. They kind of
Speaker 1: want those smaller burner type of receivers that you could
Speaker 1: get late in the draft, And like Dave said, I
Speaker 1: don't think the Cowboys are going to spend any kind
Speaker 1: of valuable draft capital on a wide receiver this year.
Speaker 1: That's why I want all all of us to get
Speaker 1: on the the Jalen Garden bandwagon. If I mean, please
Speaker 1: come aboard for the Jalen Garden to Dallas bandwagon. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tweet that probably every day for the rest of
Speaker 1: the draft process, but I want that to happen so badly.
Speaker 1: It's funny. It's funny all those all those shorter wide
Speaker 1: receivers were talking about are kind of looked together though
Speaker 1: as far as ability goes, Like you say, the Produe kid,
Speaker 1: the Florida kid, you know, because they're all kind of
Speaker 1: the same realm, I mean with the with ability and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and they're all short. So you know, well,
Speaker 1: you know, how does that all kids sorted out by
Speaker 1: the clubs? As we go forward? It is gonna be
Speaker 1: interesting started with the shorter guys. I know it's harder
Speaker 1: with the shorter guys. And I know I missed you
Speaker 1: guys DeVante Smith conversation because I'm fascinated about where he
Speaker 1: gets picked because it kind of goes against everything that
Speaker 1: I've learned a lot. Oh, you don't like that, you
Speaker 1: talked about that. You don't like that hund seventy pound body,
Speaker 1: huh not in the top ten where he's been talking
Speaker 1: to them. Yeah, I don't like that take. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think he's I don't think he's
Speaker 1: fast like that either, Like I don't think he's I
Speaker 1: don't think he's four three ish. Do you think you
Speaker 1: think he runs like four or five four or five
Speaker 1: two four or five one? I think yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he's four five two. If he runs, he may run.
Speaker 1: You like wattle. You like wattle better than you more bursts.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I think a lot of people are
Speaker 1: going to feel that way. Yeah, like once people start,
Speaker 1: once people start weighing in, and everybody's so little. Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: I just remember I was influenced by Remember, yeah, like
Speaker 1: remember how bad Remember how bad Tom Brady's combine picture? Look,
Speaker 1: just think about that trick about how narrow and Thinny looked.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady didn't play wide receivers. Smith is gonna look
Speaker 1: the same. He's gonna look the exact same, Brian, Like,
Speaker 1: we haven't seen many guys like that that have come
Speaker 1: into the league and dominated. And those who had well,
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison, Marvin Harrison, Marvin Harrison was built, Like how
Speaker 1: many drafts have we had And that's the only name
Speaker 1: we can bring up, though I brought up a Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer man, what else? Why we've been like the
Speaker 1: league Merson was sixty seven, sixty eight and we got
Speaker 1: one guy that we talk about, Marvin Harrison. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: and I would say Buck Bucky. Feel free. Feel free
Speaker 1: when all the media you're doing and someone goes, well,
Speaker 1: who does Smith remind you of? And you'll go, you
Speaker 1: know guys, I mean like I guess, but like not
Speaker 1: really he's a strider. I don't really know who he
Speaker 1: compares to Sean Jackson because he's not fast like Deshan Jackson.
Speaker 1: Jacks can fly. Yeah. I know this is dangerous and
Speaker 1: we always tell people not to do it, like you
Speaker 1: know where you went to? Why are you doing it?
Speaker 1: Because because I feel very confident betting on an Alabama
Speaker 1: stud receiver. That's what I That's why. Because they they
Speaker 1: just clang out badass after badass. Here's helmet. You hear
Speaker 1: the scouting helmet. Okay, butt to a degree, that's true.
Speaker 1: But if you are good enough to be the top
Speaker 1: dog at that school, with who they practice against, who
Speaker 1: they recruit, and who they play, I'm comfortable betting that
Speaker 1: you're gonna be pretty damn good. Yeah. I think I
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Speaker 1: and well, we're going into the final segment here, and
Speaker 1: we've got a lot to talk about of the draft,
Speaker 1: but I just really quickly want to talk about my
Speaker 1: excitement and the fact that the NC DOUBLEA football video
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Speaker 1: a gamer at the same time, this is a day
Speaker 1: to be rejoicing, but really quickly, guys. I mean we've
Speaker 1: got about five minutes before we're overtime. I know we're
Speaker 1: gonna go over. Sorry Chris, but Brian, any guys that
Speaker 1: stuck out at the Senior Bowl that did not necessarily
Speaker 1: help their drafts dot just from their performance down at
Speaker 1: the down in Mobile. Yeah, you know, I'm really looking
Speaker 1: forward to getting the tape. But you know, if you
Speaker 1: watch some of the one on one stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: from the practices and stuff. I was really interested because
Speaker 1: last week I talked about Alex Leatherwood from Alabama, and
Speaker 1: I was kind of thinking, like, could he elevate himself
Speaker 1: to where he would be in that conversation with those
Speaker 1: those tough guys, those top guys. And you know, if
Speaker 1: you watch the practices, there were some losses of one
Speaker 1: on one and that's not Alex Leatherwood's game. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a guy that generally has a nice set, keeps
Speaker 1: his head out of his block, you know, doesn't get
Speaker 1: over extended, can get to the outside, can show some
Speaker 1: range and stuff like that. But I was a little
Speaker 1: worried about him and some of the things I saw.
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like he anchored down like he did
Speaker 1: on Alabama tape. Again, this is one on one stuff.
Speaker 1: Need to watch the tape of the game to kind
Speaker 1: of get a little bit better picture. But I was hopeful.
Speaker 1: I was thinking, Man, he's going to go and just
Speaker 1: blow this thing out of the park. He's going to
Speaker 1: be right up there with all those other guys that
Speaker 1: were talking about and I think it was a little
Speaker 1: bit of a little bit of an eye opener for
Speaker 1: some scouts watching him practice. We'll see how the game
Speaker 1: tape looked. Yeah, you talk about Leatherwood, I would go
Speaker 1: the quarterback position. Outside of Mac Jones, everyone was kind
Speaker 1: of up and down. I think Kellen Man was probably
Speaker 1: the best of the crew outside of Mac Jones because
Speaker 1: he won MVP. But Jamie Newman was one that I
Speaker 1: felt like really hurt himself didn't play this year after
Speaker 1: transferring to Georgia. There was a lot of excitement and
Speaker 1: intrigue about him when he was playing it Way Forest
Speaker 1: because there was a dual threat. He had size. He
Speaker 1: just layed the athleticism. But then when you watched him
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl, maybe he was rusted because he
Speaker 1: had a year off a lot of interceptions and just
Speaker 1: didn't have the timing that you want to see from
Speaker 1: the quarterback. I don't know if it I don't I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's going to affect his draft stock,
Speaker 1: But I was bummed for Mac Jones that he had
Speaker 1: that ankle problem that kept him from doing as much
Speaker 1: and just speak. I mean, you're talking probably a first
Speaker 1: round pick anyway, but if you come out and light
Speaker 1: the world on fire, then you've really set yourself up
Speaker 1: to potentially go in the top half of the first round. So,
Speaker 1: like I said, with the season that he had, I
Speaker 1: don't think having a limited Senior Bowl is going to
Speaker 1: stop that from happening. But if he had gone out
Speaker 1: and really had a great week, then you know, he
Speaker 1: would have been the talk of the draft cycle for
Speaker 1: at least a couple of weeks. Does anybody have him
Speaker 1: over Trey Lance? You think? I don't think so. I
Speaker 1: would probably need to watch Trey Lance a little bit
Speaker 1: more to have a great answer to that. But Bucky
Speaker 1: you feel that way, maybe maybe some people might have
Speaker 1: Mac Jones over him. I don't know. I think I
Speaker 1: think what Mac Jones is gonna do is Mac Jones
Speaker 1: is gonna win the interview his intangibles, he worked hard
Speaker 1: or whatever. I think the hard thing with Mac Jones
Speaker 1: and others will be separating his production from his supporting casts,
Speaker 1: because I mean, you hate all you hate all the
Speaker 1: Alabama wide receivers, so you have he SI, we're gonna
Speaker 1: do that. Hey, We're gonna do this again. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I don't think that one hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty five pound wide house can come in the
Speaker 1: league and dominate them. I don't know if we have
Speaker 1: a history of that in the league. We'll see, Like
Speaker 1: I just play the odds. I mean, I heard that
Speaker 1: played Marvin Harrison. I was pretty good. I've heard that
Speaker 1: a couple times. Can I get another one? Can I
Speaker 1: get another one? Can scout? As a scout you were taught.
Speaker 1: If you saw it one time, you get to see
Speaker 1: it all the time, right, Hey, I real quick, I'll
Speaker 1: just say, and I mean, I haven't studied Trey Lance
Speaker 1: in in depth, but I've seen enough of them to know, uh,
Speaker 1: the armed talent and the athleticism. I'll take my chances
Speaker 1: on that, and it might it might blow up in
Speaker 1: my face, but I'm I'm especially and this sucks because
Speaker 1: I'm so influenced by Patrick Mahomes, you know, Like, I
Speaker 1: didn't know what to think about Patrick Mahomes in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: and obviously he's amazing. And if there's even a chance
Speaker 1: that you have a like, if there's even a chance
Speaker 1: that you can draft a guy that turns into something
Speaker 1: like that, I just I gotta do it. That's why
Speaker 1: I'm likeson right. I love with Zach Wilson, absolutely, I'm
Speaker 1: in love with Zack Wilson. And Trey Lance is the
Speaker 1: same thing where I'm like this guy. This guy can
Speaker 1: score from twenty five yards out on his feet and
Speaker 1: he can throw it over the day moon. So I'll
Speaker 1: take my chances even if it doesn't work out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think there's something to it. I think
Speaker 1: as much as we talk about the Pat Mahomes thing,
Speaker 1: I think we've been influenced by three quarterbacks in the
Speaker 1: last five years, Pat Mahomes, Josh Allen, and Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: Because in the past, all those guys we spend all
Speaker 1: the time talking about what they can do, and each
Speaker 1: of those guys at a level of success in the
Speaker 1: league where you're like, well, yeah, those those whole thoughts
Speaker 1: have to do it. And I think now we have
Speaker 1: to grate the talent and then try and find the fit.
Speaker 1: The talent is this thing, okay, well where can we
Speaker 1: fit him and who can teach him how to develop
Speaker 1: some skills? Right? Well, I did want to say, so
Speaker 1: I know, I know we're gonna go over, but um,
Speaker 1: I never stop. I think he I think he rebounded.
Speaker 1: But you know, Bucky was talking about Carlos Basham having
Speaker 1: a great week. It seemed like a lot of that
Speaker 1: came at the expense of Trey Smith, the Tennessee guard. Yeah, which,
Speaker 1: and I know he's he's a pretty well known name.
Speaker 1: You know, he he overcame some serious health issues during
Speaker 1: his college career. Um, you know, he seems like a
Speaker 1: really high character guy. He was actually he was at
Speaker 1: the Star last year for the Jason Witton Character Award,
Speaker 1: got a chance to spend some time around him. So
Speaker 1: it seems like a really good guy. And and it's
Speaker 1: like I said, I think he he rebounded to have
Speaker 1: some nice practices. But that's that's one of the you know,
Speaker 1: higher tier guards that seemed like he had some rough
Speaker 1: reps down in Mobile for sure. It's a good recall
Speaker 1: that David Hellman. I forgot about him coming to the
Speaker 1: Star for the Jason Witten thing last year. That's got's good. Hey,
Speaker 1: how about that? That's the kind of insight that David
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