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Speaker 1: Ron An Aian.

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Speaker 2: I want to repair as a national trend with regional results,

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Speaker 2: and the culture is regional The Car Doctor. It's probably

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Speaker 2: a charging system issue where the charging system voltage isn't right.

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Speaker 2: So right now you're running off the battery. You're kind

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Speaker 2: of like the Starship Enterprise when the warp drive goes out.

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Speaker 2: You're now running on impulse power.

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Speaker 1: I've checked the engines the warp drive. That's a hopeless

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Speaker 1: pilot joke. Welcome to the radio home of ron An Aian,

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Speaker 1: The Car Doctor. Since nineteen ninety one. This is where

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Speaker 1: car owners the world overturned to for their definitive opinion

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Speaker 1: on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a busy signal,

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Speaker 1: pick up the phone and call in. The garage doors.

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Speaker 2: Are opening, but I am here to take your call

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Speaker 2: at eight five five five six oh ninety nine hundred

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Speaker 2: Let's get started at the beginning. Hey, that's a great

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Speaker 2: place to start running in the Car Doctor. As always,

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Speaker 2: you know, I thought i'd kick off this hour with well,

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Speaker 2: it's sort of an interview. I got an email from

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Speaker 2: this individual talking about dealership mechanics and some of the

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Speaker 2: ins and the outs and the ups and the downs,

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Speaker 2: and I thought this guy sounds like he'd be interesting

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Speaker 2: to talk to, so I reached out to him. I'm

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Speaker 2: just going to use his first name, Jared. Jared's with us.

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Speaker 2: He's out from Vegas way out in Nevada. I think

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Speaker 2: it is right, Jared, Yes it is. And you know,

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Speaker 2: tell us about yourself. You were, you were a dealership

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Speaker 2: mechanic for the better part of twenty years. What was

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Speaker 2: Jared's story, what was the traveling like?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, you you start out with really I

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Speaker 3: got out of school and started working in dealerships, and

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Speaker 3: they send you to factory training and you get a

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Speaker 3: base knowledge and then you you know, you're you're on

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Speaker 3: your own with getting a ticket with a complaint. Sometimes

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Speaker 3: new cars, you can have two three four pages of

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Speaker 3: complaints and you're not getting paid until you actually fix something,

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Speaker 3: which was very frustrating as a flight ray mechanic, so

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Speaker 3: you can spend an hour going through two three four

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Speaker 3: pages of complaints to determine if they're valid, if the

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Speaker 3: customer just didn't know how to operate something, you know,

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Speaker 3: and then sometimes you find something that only pays a

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Speaker 3: few tenths to replace, and you spent two hours looking

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Speaker 3: at a car, and that's that was kind of dealership

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Speaker 3: like so until you get familiar with the product and on,

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Speaker 3: which is what I did like about a dealership instead

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Speaker 3: of an independent is you did learn the product, but

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Speaker 2: And this was this was twenty years ago, right, I

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Speaker 2: mean even you've been doing this for a while. So

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Speaker 2: explain flat rate real quick for the audience. Flat rate

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Speaker 2: means that you're paid on what you produced, not necessarily

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Speaker 2: a salary.

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Speaker 3: Correct. So when I got a job, I did not

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Speaker 3: get paid. I got paid a certain amount of diagnostic time,

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Speaker 3: which I had to document. So I had to punch

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Speaker 3: card for when I finished my diagnostic, and then punch

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Speaker 3: a card for what the actual time of the park

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Speaker 3: replacement was. And so they paid a specific time for

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Speaker 3: diagnostic and a specific time for the parts replacement. What

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Speaker 3: if I.

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Speaker 2: What brand car, what brand car line did you start

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Speaker 2: out on or what brand car line did you have

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Speaker 2: the most experienced with?

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Speaker 3: Jared Volkswagen and AUTI.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and when you say they paid you diagnostic time,

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Speaker 2: what was your you know, what did they allow? Did

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Speaker 2: you know, if you took three hours to diagnose something,

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Speaker 2: were they upset? Did they say we're not paying that?

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Speaker 2: Or you know, is it?

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Speaker 3: They would at times say they're not paying they They

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Speaker 3: would say, well, you know, on average that gets diagnosed

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Speaker 2: But what if you have that one up too obscure?

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Speaker 2: You know, the screw went through the wiring harness at

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Speaker 2: the factory problem that nobody can find, and it legitimately

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Speaker 2: takes you three, four or five hours. You've got to

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Speaker 2: take half the car apart.

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Speaker 3: Right, and so you would document all that and then

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Speaker 2: Our dealerships today, do you think there's still flat rate, right,

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Speaker 2: so this system still exists today, Yes it does, and

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Speaker 2: you know, we both know, you and I know, and

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Speaker 2: the audience may not. But this is why mechanics are

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Speaker 2: leaving the field or part of the reason flat rate

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Speaker 3: Because so towards towards the end of my career, without

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Speaker 3: a lot of repairs, you were required to call the

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Speaker 3: technical hotline. So you call a phone number to speak

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Speaker 3: to a specialist, and a specialist would give you parameters

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Speaker 3: to work in on how to diagnose something, for verify

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Speaker 3: a part, and sometimes they would say try an own part,

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Speaker 3: But meanwhile, you're not getting paid for that, because the

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Speaker 3: warranty department would come up and say, well, the technical

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Speaker 3: department doesn't authorize time. So yes, they asked you to

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Speaker 3: do that, but we're not paying you for it.

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Speaker 2: Wait wait a minute, you're telling me outy the manufacturer

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Speaker 2: and their tech line is telling you Auty the dealership

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Speaker 2: mechanic to swamp parts. That's their diagnosis in some cases.

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Speaker 3: In some cases, yes, they would tell you to try

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Speaker 3: really difficult situation as a mechanic because then you have

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Speaker 2: So you left Audi Volkswagen and you went elsewhere. What

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Speaker 2: other dealerships have you worked for.

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Speaker 3: I've worked at a Ford dealership. I've worked at a

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Speaker 3: Did they all a little little senate Mercedes?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Do they all sort of follow the same routine.

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Speaker 2: Everything's flat rate. Everything is you got to diagnose it

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Speaker 3: And yes, and actually Chrysler was was the worst at

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Speaker 3: where their wiring diagram didn't even match the car, so

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Speaker 3: you would have to you know, the pin numbers. It

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Speaker 2: What did what did it take you to get into

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Speaker 2: the business? Jared? You know what did it cost? I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know back in the day you went you went

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Speaker 2: technical college and went into Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I was actually one of the first graduating classes of

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Speaker 3: the student's Automotive Student Service Education training program where you

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Speaker 3: went to a community college for eight weeks and worked

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Speaker 3: at a dealer for eight weeks for two years and

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Speaker 2: Do you still have friends in the business.

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Speaker 3: I do, but since I moved from the East Coast

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Speaker 3: to Nevada, I don't really keep up. I did work

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Speaker 2: Is it the same? I mean it just and is

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Speaker 2: this do you think? You know? Is this why people

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Speaker 3: Well, the issue is is that you I believe that

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Speaker 3: I saw it led to a lot of guys guessing

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Speaker 3: you would get the symptom and you would potentially check

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Speaker 3: the code and then they would just order a part

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Speaker 3: verifying it, because it was the quickest way. Because you

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Speaker 3: don't want to spend much time without getting paid diagnosing

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Speaker 2: Right, because the goal is to just bring home a paycheck. Right,

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Speaker 2: You got to feed the wife and kids at the

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Speaker 2: you would have been trying to think I had to

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Speaker 2: phrase this, but you know, would a salary position have

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Speaker 2: been a better offer for you and for the other

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Speaker 2: text out there that they know they're not under the

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Speaker 2: gun so much, but they've got to fix the car,

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Speaker 2: but at least they can stop and think.

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Speaker 3: Right. But a lot of dealers were against paying salary

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Speaker 3: because they felt that they would lose productivity. So then

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Speaker 3: you end up milking a car for whatever reason. And

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Speaker 3: unless somebody's watching you that knows what they're doing, how

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Speaker 3: do you know how would the service manager know whether

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Speaker 3: it was legitimate time spent diagnosing a car, replacing a part,

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Speaker 3: if they were paying a salary, or whether you were

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Speaker 3: just you know, miaking the job for whatever you you.

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Speaker 2: Know, full disclosure. When I was talking to Jared in

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Speaker 2: the beginning of this conversation, this interview all fair, I

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Speaker 2: asked him, I said, you know, why what made you

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Speaker 2: write the email and tell everybody what you had said? What?

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Speaker 2: What what prompted this conversation?

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Speaker 3: Well, you were you were talking about mechan of convening

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Speaker 3: time to absorb the problem and the sympiment. Think about

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Speaker 3: it for a minute, and it was true. And so

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Speaker 3: that's and that's what I always said, that a good

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Speaker 3: mechanic is smarter than a doctor. Because cars, if you

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Speaker 3: work in a dealership, they're changing even independence you know,

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Speaker 3: you're working on so many different cars. Things changed so much,

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Speaker 3: and doctors have been studying the human body for thousands

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Speaker 3: of years and they still don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 2: Jared, I got to run. The clock's gonna grab me.

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Speaker 2: It's a pleasure, brother. Anytime you need, anytime you need

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Speaker 2: to chat, you give us a call back, all right

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Speaker 2: and we'll leave it there. Yes, sir, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: I'm running ending in the car doctor. We are back

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Speaker 2: right after this.

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Speaker 4: Lets one new you.

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Speaker 2: When you get keep Ron's number handy eight five five

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Speaker 2: five six zero nine nine zero zero for when you

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Speaker 2: really need advice on your car. Here's Rob and let's

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Speaker 2: get right to it. Let's get right to the phones.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's go to Let's go to Tony in New Hampshire. Tony,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the car doctor, sir. How can I help?

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Speaker 5: Thank you Ron. I've got a twenty twelve Fiat five

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Speaker 5: hundred C Sport that's now ninety five hundred and some

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Speaker 2: That should be a belt motor. That should be a

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Speaker 2: be replaced at this point. It's ten years it's twelve

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Speaker 2: Here here's the commentary. Though. There are special tools involved

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Speaker 2: I've seen them on Amazon. I've seen them in a

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Speaker 2: Whereas the Chrysler set. If I remember right when I

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Speaker 2: Or if the dealer is doing it, if you're just

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Speaker 2: You know, it's twelve years old. We're going to do coolant.

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Speaker 2: just go through it. You know, I would like to

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Speaker 2: Although I suspect you've probably been doing those all along,

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Speaker 2: there's nothing here that you could tell me about changing that.

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Speaker 5: I have a FIA dealer that I go to.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know, talk to them, what do they see

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Speaker 2: for example, I put power window regulators from my suburban

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Speaker 2: I've got rotating electrical starter alternator, you know GM stuff

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Speaker 2: what you sort of want to do Tony. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: I want to know that I can get parts for it.

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Speaker 2: I want to know that I can get quality parts

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying buy the whole car twice, but just

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Speaker 2: You know what if you don't have a car payment

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Speaker 2: how you have to approach it.

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Speaker 5: Understand that.

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Speaker 2: I think I will do that, you know, I think

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Speaker 2: that's what I would do. Goofy things, wiper blades. You know,

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Speaker 2: you don't think like some cars I see, you know,

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Speaker 2: the silliest things disappear. Wiper blades disappear, and you're you're

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Speaker 2: you're stuck using something that you don't like in a

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Speaker 2: I think you've got the right approach. But by all means,

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Speaker 2: that timing belt, it's going to be timing belt water

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Speaker 2: pumped detentioners, look it over for you know, any sort

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Speaker 2: of leaks and drive it, enjoy it. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: that for many more years ago. They're fun little cars, Tony,

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Speaker 2: They're fun little cars.

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Speaker 3: All right, kidd, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: You're very welcome. I'm running Eddy in the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 2: We are back right after this. Don't go.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of Gasolene Ali. We're down here today.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to Bill Standy. Bill is the motorsports manager

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Speaker 2: for Wicks Filters. He is a former engineer for Wicks.

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Speaker 2: He's got a lifelong love of automobiles and designing and

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Speaker 2: creating parts. I'm sure it's going to come out in

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Speaker 2: the interview and we're excited to talk to him. Bill.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir. Happy to have you.

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Speaker 6: Good Hello sir, how are you doing today?

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Speaker 2: All right? You know, let's start at the beginning because

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Speaker 2: I know we're going to talk about NASCAR a little

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Speaker 2: bit in this conversation and probably a lot of other things.

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Speaker 2: But you know, you look at as a consumer. For

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Speaker 2: an air, a fuel or a cabin filter, you know,

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Speaker 2: to them, it's just something in a box. But there's

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Speaker 2: a lot more to it, right, What sort of effort

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Speaker 2: goes into designing proper filters today for our vehicles.

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Speaker 6: You know, one of the things that I've seen over

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Speaker 6: the years is the concern I have is people may

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Speaker 6: go in and buy an expense of synthetic or part

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Speaker 6: synthetic oil and then buy a low cost oil filter

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Speaker 6: to go along with that. Now, one of the problems

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Speaker 6: with that is, if you're going to spend the money

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Speaker 6: to buy an expensive oil, you should buy quality filter.

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Speaker 6: In a lot of cases, we see our competitors advertise

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Speaker 6: a high efficiency filter. However, particularly efficiency alone is not

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Speaker 6: a true measure of long term filter performance. There's a

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Speaker 6: lot of other things that go into design and filter.

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Speaker 6: At Wick filters, we take a look at the filter

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Speaker 6: design in multiple categories of performance. We look at capacity, efficiency,

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Speaker 6: the low restriction, We look at the first strength element colap,

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Speaker 6: strength bypass, vowel performance and a grain back vowel performance,

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Speaker 6: an impulse to the team are all critical filter design

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Speaker 6: parameters for a street car engine.

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Speaker 2: So it's not just it's not just hey, I've got

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Speaker 2: to filter that filters out all the dirt, that's all

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Speaker 2: you need. There's much more to it than that.

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Speaker 6: Yes, sir, most certainly.

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Speaker 2: And you know, when you create an oil filter for

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Speaker 2: that street car, for that person that wants to go

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Speaker 2: maybe a higher mileage oil drain interval. You know, maybe

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Speaker 2: their manufacturers calling for a five or six and they

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Speaker 2: want to go to ten, or maybe their manufacturers going

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Speaker 2: for ten and they're using the standard filter. And correct

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Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong, But my understanding is a lot

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Speaker 2: of the standard filters that manufacturers have may may not

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Speaker 2: necessarily meet that higher mileage requirement as well as it could,

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Speaker 2: and there's the need for a higher mileage oil filter, right, That.

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Speaker 6: Is exactly right. The filterraation media has to survive the

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Speaker 6: life of the oil change, whether it's six thousand miles

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Speaker 6: or ten thousand miles, because what happened when that filter

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Speaker 6: meets its maximum capacity the filter plugs and the filter

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Speaker 6: may go into bypass and then you're just circulating unfiltered,

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Speaker 6: contaminated oil through the enginet.

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Speaker 2: Explain that to the listeners, build because I understand what

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Speaker 2: you're saying. But when you say the filter goes into bypass,

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Speaker 2: what happens?

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Speaker 6: So what happens with the filter is and we see

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Speaker 6: this many of our competitors advertising just the high efficiency filter,

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Speaker 6: we can take out contaminate down in the five to

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Speaker 6: ten micron range, which is pointing zero zero zero three

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Speaker 6: enough media to capture all the contaminant in the oil,

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Speaker 6: the filter plugs, the differential pressure builds up across the

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Speaker 6: engine block will open, and then you're circulating unfiltered oil

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Speaker 6: through the engine. So it's like you have no filter

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Speaker 2: Then that the problems. Obviously, you're just running dirty oil

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Speaker 2: through all the engine components and we create engine damage. Wow,

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Speaker 2: engine wearing. So does this also apply to fuel and

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Speaker 2: good filtration. Obviously, now we're learning that you know filtration

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00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 2: is not all the same. Maybe is a fair way

436
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:21,719
Speaker 2: to say it.

437
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 6: Now, In the fuel in most cases you would not

438
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 6: have a bypassed valve, but what you may end up

439
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 6: with is a decrease in engine performance, either in fuel

440
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 6: mile engine performance itself. On the cabin air filter side,

441
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 6: in many cases you have cabin air filters. The most

442
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 6: cars that are built today that cabin air filter filters

443
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 6: the air that comes in from the outside, that comes

444
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 6: into the cabin of the vehicle, and that's the air

445
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 6: that you breathe. And if you have a filter that

446
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 6: fells in that situation, you may smell that inside the car.

447
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 6: You may have contaminity being discriviaged inside the vehicle with you.

448
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's an issue, right, if you've got allergies,

449
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 2: if you're if you're prone to reacting to dust and

450
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 2: other contaminants in the air, you want a good clean

451
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 2: cabin filter. And the cabin filter needs to be installed correctly.

452
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 2: I have to point out I take a lot of

453
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 2: filters out at the shop where they're crushed or they're

454
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 2: not installed right because it's a poor quality filter. It

455
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,959
Speaker 2: doesn't fit in the case well, and and that creates

456
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: a problem. So filter's got to be installed correctly too.

457
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 2: You know, that's a that's a big deal.

458
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 6: Exactly right. It's got to be a hot quality filter

459
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 6: that's not properly to fit within the parameters of the

460
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 6: air filter box.

461
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 2: Give me thirty seconds on air filters build because my

462
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 2: question becomes, you know, I actually see and I know

463
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 2: this from hot rotting, that we worry about how air

464
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 2: used to enter a carburetor. And obviously now with fuel

465
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 2: injection and mass airflow sensors, not all air filters are

466
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 2: the same because the way the pleats are made or

467
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 2: the way the filter is wove together. If I'm using

468
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 2: the right terminology, that affects airflow across the sensor, and

469
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 2: that can lea the engine performance problems.

470
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 6: Right, that's exactly right. When you look at the airflow

471
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 6: across the across the sensor, that affects your fuel knowledge

472
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 6: also the engine performance. You can also contaminate the sensors

473
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 6: inside the air filter or inside the air box, and

474
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 6: that can create issues for the customers going forward.

475
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 2: So you may think you're getting filtration and protecting the engine,

476
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: but in reality you're not. Or you may be getting filtration,

477
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: but you're not getting performance because there's too much turbulence

478
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 2: in the air because of the way the air filter

479
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: is designed.

480
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 6: That's exactly right. And then you end up with your

481
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 6: you I got a light on on the dash and

482
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 6: you're headed in to check the light.

483
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 4: Right.

484
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,959
Speaker 2: WITS has been involved with NASCAR for many years. You know,

485
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: how did that get started? Because that's not a common

486
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 2: everyday experience. Right, all of a sudden, you're dealing with

487
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 2: NASCAR and all that that's about.

488
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 6: In the nineteen sixties, Petty Enterprises approached the Wicks Filters

489
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 6: about helping them. These races were going out up to

490
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 6: five hundred miles and they were suffering multiple engine fell

491
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 6: years due to oil contamination. So Petty Enterprise was approached

492
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 6: Wicks Filters and our vice president engineering of that time,

493
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 6: the gentleman's name is Kingsley Humber. Kingsley worked with Petty

494
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 6: Enterprise to help solve that problem. And we've been involved

495
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 6: in NASCAR every since.

496
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: And you guys are doing quite well at it, right.

497
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 2: You just had a recent team win, a big team

498
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 2: win down in NASCAR, didn't you. My spies tell me

499
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 2: you had a big time in NASCAR racing, right, Yes, start.

500
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 6: Had a really good time down at Homestead, got an

501
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 6: opportunity to go to Victory Lane. We won the races

502
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 6: down there. It was a lot of fun.

503
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: And then in the races that followed in the upcoming weeks,

504
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: Wicks was involved in those as well. As always.

505
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 6: Wicks had ten of the twelve cars and trucks racing

506
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,959
Speaker 6: for the championship down in Phoenix cool beans. Yes, sir,

507
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 6: we win the.

508
00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 2: Races all running Wicks filters, so filters. I'm a di wire,

509
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: I'm an automotive di wire. I'm doing a DIY project.

510
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 2: Talk to me about you know why I want to

511
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: use a better quality filter in my project? Is there

512
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 2: an advantage to that other than the things we're talking about.

513
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 6: When you use a high quality filter, you can count

514
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 6: on the filter's going to perform like it's supposed to.

515
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 6: It's going to protect the engine. You're not going to

516
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 6: have the leaks, you're not going to have a ruptured filter.

517
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 6: The vehicle's going to perform to specification, and you're going

518
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 6: to improve your engine life by doing so.

519
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 2: You know, the couple of extra bucks I always explain

520
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 2: to people too, is the money you pay for a

521
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 2: better filter comes back to reward you with longer life

522
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: out of the vehicle itself. And look at the price

523
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: of vehicles today, Right, We're not protecting three thousand dollar

524
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 2: cars anymore.

525
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 6: That's exactly right. You don't want to put a five

526
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 6: dollars filter on a ten thousand dollars right.

527
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that doesn't that doesn't work out. You know, Hey, Bill,

528
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: we're going to pull over and take a pause. When

529
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: we come back, I want to talk a little bit

530
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 2: about can you, you know, put your thinking cap on.

531
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 2: How are Wis filters engineered? You know it's we've you've

532
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: talked about them. I know our listeners have heard me

533
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 2: talk about them over the years. And you know, both

534
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: from a performance and an every day automobile. You know

535
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 2: that Toyota camera that's taken mom to the corner store

536
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,719
Speaker 2: for shopping or taking the kids to school. You know,

537
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: why why do I want to you know, why do

538
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 2: I want a Wix filter? How's it engineered? You know?

539
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 2: To make my car last longer? Maybe you can touch

540
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: on that a little bit and talk a little bit

541
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: about prototyping and things like that. Can you do that

542
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 2: for us? All right? You stay you stay put. I'm

543
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 2: Ronning Any and the Car Doctor here with Bill Stamy.

544
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: He's the motorsports manager for Wix Filters, and as it

545
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 2: turns out, a fountain of information. And we'll both be

546
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: back right after this.

547
00:28:44,200 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 4: Don't go away, who's gone? And got hey?

548
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 5: There?

549
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: Ronanini and the card Doctor. We're here with Bill Stamy

550
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: once again, more sports manager for Wicks Filters. So when

551
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: we pulled away and took the pods. It occurred to me,

552
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: and this may sound silly, but are there cabin filters

553
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: in NASCAR race cars?

554
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 6: There certainly is. Back in two thousand and we were

555
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 6: approached by Joe Gibbs Racing to help them with the

556
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 6: problem they're having with their drivers. We have cool suits

557
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 6: and cool helmets. Back in about two thousand, we were

558
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 6: pressed by Joe Gibbs and one of the things we

559
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 6: wanted to do was improve the air the drivers were breathing.

560
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 6: So we developed a new system with Joe Gibbs raising

561
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 6: that filters out both the particular matter the odors from

562
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 6: the air with the carbon impregnanty media. And we also

563
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 6: took the carbon LOCKDOUD level from two hundred parts down

564
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 6: to five parts per million. That's what ninety seven percent

565
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 6: efficiency at removing the carbon oxide. And in fact, we

566
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 6: receive the US patent for this design and it's currently used.

567
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 6: The grandfather for this design is used on every Cup car,

568
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 6: every Spinity car, and every truck and NASCAR that races

569
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 6: every weekend.

570
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: Well, I guess NASCAR cars do have cabin filters, and

571
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: I can understand the need. So you know, Joe Gibbs

572
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 2: came to you. Petry came back to you, guys. It

573
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: came to you guys in the sixties. You've done a

574
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: lot of engineering, whether it's a conventional everyday automobile or

575
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: a race car it's NASCAR something like that. What sort

576
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: of engineering goes into that, How do you make the

577
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 2: prototypes and how long does it take to bring something

578
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: like it to market or to the racetrack.

579
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 6: One of the advantage you have for being in the

580
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 6: in the filtration industry where you have a good reputation

581
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 6: with the Ford motor companies, the general motors, you have

582
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 6: the opportunity to quote on oe business and build oe filters.

583
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 6: But we also have at WIGS Filters, we benchmark all

584
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 6: of our competitors. We look at all of our competitors air, oil, fuel,

585
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 6: cabin air filters, hydraulic. We take our competitors product and

586
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 6: we do analysis and we find the best component for

587
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 6: each of those filters. We take what we learn and

588
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 6: we build that into a WIGS filter. It's not just

589
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 6: our internal designs. We also look at all of our

590
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 6: competitors and the oe filters when we're doing a design.

591
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: So you're basically taking the best of everybody and making.

592
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 6: It into one that's exactly right. We benchmark. We benchmark

593
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 6: every single year.

594
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 2: You know, I've always said that that engineer, he designed something,

595
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: they put it together to look like it. They do.

596
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: There's a reason. I recently did an air cabin filter

597
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: on a Chrysler minivan and used a WIGS filter of course,

598
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: and the outside edge of the filter had pleats in

599
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: it where the and the OE did. But a lot

600
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: of the aftermarket replacements never do. And I've often said

601
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: there's a reason those pleats are there, and that's you know,

602
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: Wix is doing that. They've got a very good They're

603
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: not doing it just because they want to. That's another

604
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: step in the manufacturing process, and everybody has to realize

605
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: they make it a certain way because and they've learned

606
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: something somewhere to do just that. So neat stuff before

607
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: we go, Bill, what's the most unusual thing, you know,

608
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: the most unusual event Wix has had in racing filter development.

609
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a couple of stories you could lay

610
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: on us.

611
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's some pretty good stories we have. But we're

612
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 6: fortunate enough to work with all the engine builders we

613
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 6: work with, Hendrick Motorsports, earn Our Childre's Engines. At Richard

614
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 6: Childern's Racing we do the raush Yates engines toy it

615
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 6: erasing development and on the on the rash eph engine side,

616
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 6: the really cool engine there is in the one point

617
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 6: seven million dollars four GD Mark four. That thing has

618
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 6: a twin turbo eight hundred worse power of V six

619
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 6: And then every one of those has a WIGS filter

620
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 6: on it. So when into given Sunday, every single vehicle

621
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 6: that starts in NASCAR race has a WIGS filter on it.

622
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 6: And then part of that development with all those teams,

623
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 6: obviously you know where the rules books are, you know

624
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 6: where the gray areas are, and you know what you're

625
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 6: not allowed to do. So over the years we have

626
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 6: a few filters done in the NASCAR Museum done in Daytona. Uh,

627
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 6: in the not so legal section. It's always a lot

628
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 6: of fun to walk through there no longer legal.

629
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 2: Right, I guess maybe something Smoky Eunick wanted, right he

630
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: was He was always good for for doing things like

631
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: that as well. You know what's the future of racing

632
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,959
Speaker 2: with with wicks? You know, is it? Is it going

633
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: to be? It's an ongoing thing. It's I mean you

634
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: guys are out there protecting million dollar engines. I guess

635
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: that gives consumers confidence for their automobiles too.

636
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 6: Right, Yes, sir. When you look at a team that

637
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 6: races on a Sunday for a championship, one position can

638
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 6: cost them the entire season, the responsibility for that weighs

639
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 6: heavily on us. We've built that trust in the NASCAR teams,

640
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 6: in the engine builders, and we're proud of what we've

641
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 6: done there and that they can depend on us. If

642
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 6: it's good enough for NASCAR, it's good enough for your car, right.

643
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: And I like that. You know, years ago, it used

644
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: to be what we learned in NASCAR worked its way

645
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: down to the everyday streetcar, and it still applies today.

646
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: And it's always been that way, you know. Yeah, you know,

647
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: I remember years ago, sort of off topic, but you

648
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: know the same thing that the crush zones or the

649
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 2: crash zones that NASCAR cars developed made their way to original,

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Speaker 2: you know, the everyday street cars. The manufacturers took that

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Speaker 2: technology and learned from it, and that's why you see,

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Speaker 2: you know, cars they get totaled more, but the occupant

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Speaker 2: is safer. They survived the crash and that's as a

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Speaker 2: result of NASCAR and the research being done there, so

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Speaker 2: you know very much everything what you guys are learning

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Speaker 2: applies to the Everyday Cars Bill. It's been a pleasure, sir.

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Speaker 2: If the listeners are looking for more information, what's the website.

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Speaker 6: Ww dot whatsfilters dot com.

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Speaker 2: Cool beans, And I'm sure I always extend this into you.

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Speaker 2: It'd be a pleasure strike and twist your arm and

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Speaker 2: get you to come back at some point in the

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Speaker 2: future and talk some more. I'd be happy to do that,

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Speaker 2: all right, Bill, thank you very much. I'm Ronning Inning

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Speaker 2: and the Car Doctor. We are back right after this.

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Speaker 2: Don't go away. I ain't every being with them. Another

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Speaker 2: fast hour of radio just kind of flies by running

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Speaker 2: in the Car Doctor here a five five five six

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Speaker 2: zero mentioned that real quick eight five five five six

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Speaker 2: zero nine nine zero zero. The Car Doctor's twenty four

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Speaker 2: to seven phone number. If you didn't get in this week,

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Speaker 2: well you know what, try next week. There's always another

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Speaker 2: hour of card Doctor and around the corner. Just call,

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Speaker 2: leave a message at the eight five five five six

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Speaker 2: zero nine zero zero phone number and we will get

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Speaker 2: you in que and you never know, we might call

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Speaker 2: you back on a Card Doctor Wednesday. We do some

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Speaker 2: takings on Wednesday nights for future shows when we're not

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Speaker 2: live in the studio, especially with the holidays coming up.

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Speaker 2: A real quick thank you to my special guest this hour,

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Speaker 2: Bill Stamey of Witch Filters. What a great interview that was,

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Speaker 2: and it's always a pleasure to talk to someone of

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Speaker 2: Bill's caliber, and always fun to learn about how great

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Speaker 2: fix filters are and what they do to stay that

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Speaker 2: way and stay at the top of their game till

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Speaker 2: the next time. I'm ronning Andy and the Card Doctor,

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Speaker 2: reminding each and every one of here. Good mechanics aren't expensive,

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Speaker 2: their priceless.

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Speaker 4: See you