WEBVTT - Scooter Braun: "I Let It Burn" 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:05.840 No one has all the answers, but when we ask 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:10.680 the right questions, we get a little closer, closer to truths, 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:16.560 closer to each other, even closer to ourselves. I'm journalist 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:19.280 Danielle Robe, and each week, my guests and I come 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:22.800 together to challenge the status quo and our own ways 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:27.360 of thinking by daring to ask, what if, why not? 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:33.480 And who says? So? Come curious, dig deep, and join 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:40.600 the conversation. It's time to question everything. For years, Scooter 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:43.000 Braun was known as the man in music with the 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:47.239 mightas touch, launching and steering the careers of artists like 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:51.760 Justin Bieber, Ariana Grande, and Jay Balvin. His name became 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:57.680 synonymous with strategy, influence, disruption, with making the impossible happen. 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:01.600 His company, as b Project, became known for closing the 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:04.679 big deals. But there was another side of it too. 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:09.600 The tour model they pioneered built philanthropy into the business. 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:14.840 Under Brawn, tour models became platforms for impact. Here are 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:20.280 some examples. Justin Bieber's tours funded global education with pencils 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:24.039 of Promise and launched Justice and Action, connecting fans to 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:26.440 causes like climate change and criminal justice. 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:27.280 Reform. 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:31.000 Ariana Grande's concerts raised over twenty three million dollars for 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:34.759 victims after the Manchester bombing and registered thousands of young 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:39.160 voters through Headcount. Demi Levado's tour offered free on site 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:43.680 therapy sessions in partnership with Cast Centers. SB projects also 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:47.080 contributed to movements like March for Our Lives, We Are 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:50.760 the World, twenty five for Haiti, and organizations including Make 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:54.600 a Wish, City of Hope, and the Enough Project. And 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:57.960 that's just what's public. There's likely more we'll never see 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:01.680 in the headlines. That was a part of Scooter's image too, 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:06.800 someone who, whether strategically or sincerely or both, placed a 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:10.880 value on contributing. There's this scene in the Justin Bieber 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:14.079 documentary where Scooter is running around a stadium handing out 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:18.720 tickets to fans who couldn't afford them. Suddenly kindness was cool, 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:24.360 Philanthropy wasn't optional, it was expected. If you weren't giving back, 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.960 it looked out of touch, and other pop stars and 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:32.000 celebrities he didn't manage started to follow suit. And then 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:37.519 Scooter bought Taylor Swift's Masters and everything changed overnight. 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:41.880 Everything I had done before didn't matter. What surprised me 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:45.280 is how before that I was known for helping people 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:49.799 and philanthropy and success and all these different things, and 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:53.200 the next day all of that was out the window. 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:54.880 You were defined by this one moment. 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:58.840 He had done hundreds of business deals, but that deal 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:02.280 cracked his world open. His name became shorthand for a 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:07.720 much larger conversation, one about ownership, power, and loyalty in music. 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:12.360 The Internet flattened him into a villain. But while the 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:16.720 world debated intent, Scooter was facing something far more personal. 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:21.320 His marriage was ending, his relationship to work was disentangling, 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.760 and beneath it all, he was staring down a question 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:29.200 that had quietly driven him for years. Am I enough? 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:33.160 In the time since, it seems like he's been trying 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:36.320 to stitch things back together, not just his career, but 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:40.080 his identity, his family, and his understanding of who he 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:44.280 really is. After twenty three years in music, Scooter Braun 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:48.800 walked away from management altogether. He's never fully talked about 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:55.960 why until now. This interview was recorded in April, and 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:59.400 even since then a lot has changed. Taylor now owns 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:02.480 her Masters. I reached out to Scooter for comment, and 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:05.480 he told me he's genuinely happy for her. He's also 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:08.360 stepped down as CEO of HIBE and is thinking seriously 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:11.560 about what comes next. And maybe he already sensed it 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:14.120 back in April when we recorded, because when I asked 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:16.680 him about the future, it was clear he had a 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.919 direction in mind. But what struck me most in this 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:24.960 interview wasn't the business arc or even the drama. It 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.960 was how tightly he had wrapped his self worth around work, 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:31.960 the unraveling that came when that identity no longer held, 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.760 and the rebuilding that he's doing now in his spiritual life, 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.039 in his parenting, in the kind of man he wants 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:43.680 to be. This conversation isn't a defense. It's not a 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:48.719 puff piece, and it's not an expose. It's something in between. 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:52.560 I asked about Taylor about the rumors in her lyrics, 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.920 whether he's talked to his kids about it. I asked 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:59.320 about Kanye about justin about the weight of being responsible 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:03.320 for other people's careers. It's all in there, But so 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:06.360 is the other story, the one we don't always leave 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:11.920 room for, the one about worth, unraveling and repair. We 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.200 often want people to be one thing or the other 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:19.960 hero or villain, right or wrong? But what if we 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:23.080 allowed people to be whole? What if we made space 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:28.640 for contradiction, for change, for complexity. Scooter is known for 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:32.160 getting the deal done. So the question we're circling today 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:35.320 is what if the most important deal you make is 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:40.360 with yourself? This is his answer. It's time to question 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:48.000 everything with Scooter bron Scooter. There are documentaries and headlines 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:51.640 and Reddit threads, fan theories all written about you. I 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.120 think we as the public get quotes here or there, 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.760 but we never get your full story from you. A 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:00.240 lot has changed in your life. You've stepped away from 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:03.560 managing artists. Before we get into what the future holds, 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:06.560 which I am really curious about for you, I feel 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:08.320 like we have to go back a little bit. And 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:10.280 the one word that keeps coming up and all your 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:13.719 interviews is ambitious. And I feel like your ambition could 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:16.240 have been pointed in a few different directions, but you 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.680 pointed it towards music. When did you fall in love 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:19.200 with music? 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.240 I think I've always been in love with music. My 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:25.400 first job in entertainment was a dancer. I was a 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:28.400 dancer at bar Mitzo's and weddings. I was discovered at 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:30.719 a teen club with my friend Dale back in the day. 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:32.520 It was actually a teen club and I think it 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:33.000 was Mount. 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:33.719 Vernon in New York. 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:38.240 And you know, I've always I DJ'ed. I was dancing. 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:40.479 Then I started throwing parties when I was in college. 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:44.359 But music is something that always no matter what in 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:46.159 my life. It was like music and basketball were the 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:49.279 two things that could take me out of the thought 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:51.760 process of life and keep me in the moment and 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:54.760 give me just joy in the moment. When I was nineteen, 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:56.920 I was in my freshman dorm room and I read 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:57.520 a book. 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:59.080 Called The Operator about David. 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.440 Geffen, and he is not a fan of the book, 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:05.120 but I saw it as someone who is flawed who 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:08.880 became extraordinary and I'm flawed. Were all flawed, and it 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:11.320 made me think like maybe I can do this. And 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.120 I remember there's actually one distinct moment I'm in my 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:15.840 dorm room and I'm reading and I can't split this 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:19.080 book down, and it's talking about David trying to sign 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:22.600 John Lennon's solo career, and I start literally screaming in 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.080 my bed, like just go to Yogano. I know everybody's 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:26.920 being hard on her, but she has his ear go 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.640 to Yogono. And I turned the page and David was 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:31.679 the only one to go to Yogono and he signed 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:34.360 a solo career and it made me think I can 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:34.720 do this. 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:35.640 I think this way. 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:38.720 I was in Atlanta. I think the way David thought, 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:41.320 you know, think, you know, to think outside the box 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:43.920 would seem natural to me is never really what the 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:48.600 way everyone else thinks. And I was in Atlanta, Georgia 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:51.520 in two thousand. It was just an epic place to 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:55.000 be for music. You had Dallas Austin, Jermain Dupree, outcast, 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:58.840 Ti Ludacris coming up, like Jazzy Faye was a guy 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:01.400 on the radio who had this young girl seventeen sixteen 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:03.040 Sierra that he was, you know, put out the song 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.480 one two Step like it was all happening in that 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.280 era of the early two thousands, and Usher is you know, usher, 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:11.000 and like it was exciting. And I got to be 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:13.800 in the streets of Atlanta coming up with these people. 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:16.000 I heard you were driving a purple Mercedes. 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:19.760 I bought a purple Benz on eBay cash so I 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:21.560 could fake it till I make it at the clubs. 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:22.440 Did it work? 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:24.480 It got me in the door with a lot of people, 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.120 and people still talk about that Benz. And when I 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:29.880 was twenty years old, I'd done some stuff for this 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.520 this guy Chris love Alava on the radio. He had 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:35.760 a manager named Shaka Zulu and Jeff, two brothers. Shaka 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:38.520 was the program director at Hot ninety seven. Chris was 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:40.840 the big morning show, Chris love Alova, and he had 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:44.160 a rap named Ludacris and he was coming up as 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.240 a rapper and he had this song, you know, fantasy, 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.120 and and I was throwing parties for them, and kind 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:50.520 of like people knew me for. 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:51.240 Throwing my parties. 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:53.840 And then this guy Jermaine Duprie, it was like you 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:56.880 got more potential than parties. And within six months I 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:58.600 was running marketing for So So deaf and I was 0:08:58.600 --> 0:08:59.320 twenty years old. 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:02.840 What made you good at marketing? In other interviews you 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:04.679 talk about how you were getting on a plane with 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:08.120 your main dupre like presenting marketing plans to him. 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:10.320 The reason I was good at marketing, the reason I 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:13.520 was if I was good, you know, but the reason 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:15.319 I thought you were listen, the reason I had a 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.080 successful career with marketing, and also A and R and 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:22.640 making records is because my belief that I am not extraordinary. 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:24.400 It's actually the opposite. 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:28.319 I believe extraordinary people know how to speak to a 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:30.400 small amount of extraordinary people. 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:32.680 I'm ordinary as hell. 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:37.120 I like, you know, what makes me move usually makes 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:40.840 millions of other people move. What makes me tick usually 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:46.120 makes millions of other people tick. So my gift was 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:50.680 just what my parents gave me, which was stupid confidence 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.000 that what I like maybe other people liked. I think 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:56.520 that's the difference. Most people have the gift of being 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:58.439 able to speak to the masses, they're just afraid to 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:01.600 find out. I think the way my parents raised me 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:05.360 and my siblings, they were like, if there's no leader 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:06.000 in the room, be a. 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:07.120 Leader, you know. 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:10.040 So I think that is how I was able to 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:12.640 kind of put my ideas forward. And I also was 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:14.720 in a unique place where, like the Internet was really 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:16.559 taken off and social media was taking off, and. 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:17.560 I was native to that. 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:20.600 I was that age where like first on Facebook, first 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:24.240 on MySpace, you know, first to use YouTube, like that generation. 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:28.240 So you know, having that love of music, having you know, 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:30.199 being native to the new technology. It was just a 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:32.160 perfect storm. And being in the city of Atlanta, where 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:33.160 you were close to the culture. 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:37.080 But kudos to you for being willing to adapt it 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:40.000 because a lot of people just shied away from the 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:41.640 Internet and didn't want to be a part of it. 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:42.280 Look. 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:43.679 I saw it as a way to reach a lot 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.360 of people, and I saw it as a way to 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:48.800 convey a message to a lot of people. And that's, 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:50.280 you know, one of the hardest things in marketing. You 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:51.560 could have a really good idea, but how do you 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:53.040 get it out to the masses and how do you 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:54.079 expand it and grow it? 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:55.640 And I was. 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:57.640 So afraid of failure at that point in my life. 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:00.800 I was leaning into all these things and it really 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:02.840 was And I think when you're younger. 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:04.120 You think you're manifesting everything. 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:07.480 You think like, I'm going to make this happen, make 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:09.000 this happen. And as you get older, you start to 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:11.000 realize how lucky you are to be in the position 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.480 you're in that yes, there's a little bit of manifestation, 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:15.800 but there's also a lot of you know, the universe 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:18.920 and God putting you in a position to do that stuff. 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:21.840 And I think that's where you understand like, as you 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:24.920 get older, it's not you necessary as doing You're kind 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:27.439 of a custodian of that energy, you know. And I 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:29.240 think if you get blessed enough to be a custodia 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:30.680 that energy, you have to treat it as such. 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:32.640 You're like a vessel, is what you're saying. 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:33.320 Yeah, I think so. 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.960 You said earlier when you read the Operator you felt 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.960 like somebody flawed could make it and could do it. 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.239 Did you feel flawed when you were in college? 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:45.280 Yeah, I mean I think so. Well. 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:48.720 I think we're all flawed. I think we're all perfectly flawed, 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:49.679 you know. 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:52.640 And I don't know if everyone's aware of that in college, 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:54.040 So it's interesting to me. 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:57.040 That you, yes, they are. They might not say it. 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:58.480 I don't think I was saying it that way when 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.040 I was younger. The truth is is what drives you 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:03.480 as an entrepreneur is sometimes the thing that makes you 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.280 not great at intimacy, you know, like what makes you 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.600 good at business is not always best in intimacy. When 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:10.880 you're great at business, sometimes you're always thinking about the 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:13.000 next move, You're always thinking about the next day. 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:14.520 Because you're so afraid of losing. 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:16.800 You're so afraid of something coming and gets you don't 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.280 know how to be present right and at that age, 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:22.640 I didn't feel enough. I didn't feel like, you know, 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.320 I was worthy of anything. I felt like I needed 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:28.240 to earn being worthy. I didn't think That's probably why 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:30.199 I went by Scooter since I was eighteen years old. 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:31.880 It was like a nickname when I was younger, right, 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:33.840 and almost like I took it on because I didn't 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:34.800 think Scott was enough. 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:37.600 But it's interesting to me because you had this dichotomy 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:39.680 where you're saying you didn't feel like you were enough, 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:42.959 and yet there was something inside you that was willing 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:45.960 to bet on yourself and say I'm gonna do this 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:48.520 like in Atlanta, and then when you found Justine. 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:49.679 Incredible driver insecurity. 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:55.520 Insecurity is an amazing driver for business because when you're 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:58.199 insecure that you're not enough, what do you do? 0:12:58.240 --> 0:12:59.400 You build to be enough. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.240 You build a life for yourself that other people can respect, 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:05.199 because deep down you don't know if you're worthy. 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:08.400 And I was going through that as a. 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:12.840 Young person of I thought, well, the only thing that 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.880 makes me worthy of anything is building and building and building. 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:17.400 And at that point in my life, I was very 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:19.440 I was working from a competitive mind of like I 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:22.480 have to achieve otherwise I'm a loser, and you know, 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.440 being older. Now, I'm in a place now where, like 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.559 I move from a creative mind where there is no end, 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:29.640 there's no winning. 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:30.080 There's no losing. 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.760 I just get to create because I've gotten to a 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.160 good place here, which I'm sure we'll talk about, because 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:37.880 there was a lot of trials and tribulations and being 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:41.960 misunderstood and hard times. And it's never the success that 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:46.200 teaches you how to love this. It's being misunderstood, it's 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:50.480 being ridiculed, it's sitting in your place and just being like, 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:52.480 this feels unfair, and then you have to actually look 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:55.520 inward and realize the only thing that's actually going to 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.880 overcome it all is like looking inside and being good. 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:02.240 I'm so glad you said word misunderstood, because that's a 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:04.840 word that kept coming back for me as I was 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:07.280 preparing for this interview. So I want to get to it. 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:09.920 But there was something that your friend Jay Williams said 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.559 in an NPR interview and you touched on it a 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:14.560 little bit. He said, you can spot talent with an 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:17.960 X ray like precision. Is it a feeling you get? 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:18.959 I'm interested in that. 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:22.400 It's like falling in love. Say more, you can make 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.240 a plan to fall in love. You can say I'm 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:26.880 going to meet the love of my life this year, 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:28.720 I'm gonna get married, I'm gonna have two point five 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:30.880 kids in a pick e fence. Life does not work 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:35.680 that way, right, And for me finding talent, finding stars, 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.160 it was like it's like a It's like that. It's 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:40.560 like you meet someone and you just know. 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.000 So it's this feeling. It's like where do you feel 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:43.720 it in your body? 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:47.480 It's just it's almost like a download. It's almost like 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:52.080 a cheat code sometimes where you know. Sometimes I'm like 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.000 wanting to figure it out, but sometimes it's like, hey, 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.440 just letting you know this is it has nothing to 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:58.760 do with you. I'm just giving you the heads up 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.440 because you know what to do. Like as I said, 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:04.320 you're almost like a custodian of this energy. It almost 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:06.360 feels like it's not even coming from me. It's like 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:09.200 someone giving me the heads up. And then I feel 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:11.480 this certainty and it almost like I get a downloaded. 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.360 I could see everything that's to come and I know 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:18.960 where to go. And I think sometimes that can be 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:20.080 with a talent. 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.200 Sometimes that could be with a company, Sometimes that could 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:22.960 be with entrepreneur. 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:25.400 It would be nice that happened, you know, in my 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.080 love life again. But like I said, you can't make 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:29.800 plans for it. It shows up when it's supposed to. 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:33.920 I was just very fortunate that, for some reason I 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.360 was placed to see it a bunch of different times. 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:42.040 There's an interview magazine article where Donald Glover interviews himself 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:46.360 and he said, are you ever worried about staying relevant? 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:50.360 Donald asked himself and his answer was, I'm never worried 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:54.120 about relevance because I have vision. That's a big word. 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.080 I think things change as you get older and you 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:01.040 have different experiences. And I was with two great entrepreneurs 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:06.400 yesterday morning and young people building a really great company 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:09.240 not in entertainment, and we were having a very interesting 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:12.040 conversation and we talked about this place of self work 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:13.640 that I've gone the last five six years. 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:17.480 And one of them said that he was nervous. 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:19.800 He wants to do this self work, but what if 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:21.160 it takes away the dog in him? 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:22.600 What it takes away that energy? 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:25.040 And I kind of smiled because I was like, well, 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.760 you'll do it when you're supposed to, because you won't 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.080 care about that when you have new priorities and I 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:32.200 promise you, if that's supposed to be there, it will 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:34.800 be there, and all you're doing is delaying it, and 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:36.640 eventually in the universe smacks you around the way it 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:37.240 did with me to. 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:37.880 Like it's time. 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:39.440 Did it take the dog away? 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:40.000 Oh? 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:43.400 Absolutely not. It just gave me an opportunity to enjoy 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:43.920 being here. 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:46.480 You know. It taught me how to be present. 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:50.880 It taught me I had to lose for me to 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:53.920 understand what I have and for me to find myself again. 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.080 And I wouldn't I wish other people would figure it 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:57.600 out fast. I needed to slap in the face a 0:16:57.640 --> 0:16:59.760 little bit. But when you talk about this idea of 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:04.760 it or relevance, I think you just show up every 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:06.800 single day and you can make long term plans and 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:10.600 then the universe makes its own plans and you just 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.399 try to be on the journey. Like my favorite poem Ithaca, 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:15.080 it's this concept. 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:16.200 Of like traveling. It's by Cafafi. 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.639 It's this idea of traveling to the island of Ithaca 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:21.160 and the Greek islands and all the things that you're 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:24.120 going to see and experience along the way, and when 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:27.879 you finally reach your destination Ithaca, if you find her poor. 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:30.640 She did not fool you because it was never about 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.600 getting to Ithaca. It was always about the journey. And 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:37.240 then you understand what ethica means. And I think it's 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:40.520 a metaphor for life, like this idea of vision early 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.159 at least it's cool experiences, school stories has what you 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:44.720 know has me sitting here with you, and all the 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:46.600 questions you're gonna ask that are gonna make me comfortable 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:47.400 and uncomfortable. 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:48.680 How are you feeling so far? 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:50.480 I'm fine. At the end of the day. 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.120 The only thing that really matters is how you see 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.800 yourself and how you see your relationship with the people 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:57.560 that really love you. 0:17:58.200 --> 0:17:59.960 And it's you know, the question I ask myself is like, 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:00.879 why would I even do this? 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:03.080 Like, you know, it's going to be speaking to a 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.159 lot of people who don't know me. 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:06.639 And you know, what I've learned over. 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:08.800 The years is both the praise I received and many 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:10.600 points in my career and they hate I received the 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.280 man in my career, neither of them were deserved. The 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:15.840 people praising me didn't know me, yeah, and the people 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:16.840 hating me didn't know me. 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:20.080 So a lot of music managers operate behind the scenes, 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:24.439 and you were a really public figure. Was that purposeful? 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:25.600 Was that a business decision? 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:28.200 Yes, it actually is because of Outcast. 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:33.280 Outcasts had a manager and they won the album for 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:34.719 Album of the Year. It was the first hip hop 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:36.919 group to ever went out of the Year. And that 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:41.760 year there was a big party in Atlanta, and their 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:45.320 manager was on the bill of the party with another executive. 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:50.600 And the following year Outcast broke up and that executive 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:53.440 came back and he did a party, but the manager 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:56.680 wasn't on the party ever again. And I realized, too 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:59.680 much of his career I was nineteen twenty years old 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.520 in this too much of his career was correlated to 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:06.160 the decision making and the success or failure of someone else. 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:09.520 So I decided that while I wanted to build up acts, 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:13.600 I wanted to build up myself so that I could 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:17.199 maintain and keep going. And I have things that have 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:20.280 been great about that, because you know, when acts of 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:22.960 mine have gone through really hard times, I've been able 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:25.760 to mate a power base to maintain them. 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:27.720 And help them and build other acts. 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:29.720 But at the same time, I also, as you know, 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:33.040 became a very easy target because in this business, you know, 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:34.480 it became the big, bad executive. 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:36.359 Did you enjoy the recognition? 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:39.520 Ever when it was productive. 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:42.800 I'm much more of a homebody than people realize. Like 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:44.800 I can go and have a good time, but I 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.199 like watching movies and hanging out with my kids and 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:50.439 like just being home, and I still hang out with 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:51.119 my best friends. 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:52.760 I was eleven years old for the most part. 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:57.480 So yes, I liked it because any human being, like 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:00.080 when you're being praised or people appreciate what you do, 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:02.000 that feeds the ego, It feeds the soul, and it 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:04.800 feels really nice. So I can't say I did not. 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:08.640 I did enjoy that. But at the same time, I 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:12.359 liked it when you could give away tickets, you know, 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:14.680 when when the power was used for like the most 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:18.480 influential things in my life with that were being able 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:21.919 to like, you know, respond with Arianna to the Manchester attack, 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:24.840 to help the kids from Parkland with March for Our Lives, 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:28.199 to you know, help my friend Bumbee with a you know, 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:31.440 a fundraiser and a telethon for the hurricane victims of 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:36.119 Florida and Texas, or to simply you know, join a board. 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:38.240 Of a charity and like helps make a wish. 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:41.080 You know, It's like there are perks that come with it, 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:45.400 and then there are negatives. But in my opinion, if 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:47.439 you use it properly, the perks far outweigh the. 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:50.399 Negative, so you never wish you could undo that. 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:52.600 I mean, there were definitely times where I was like, 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:53.160 this ain't fun. 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:56.359 You know, you got to you gotta be strong for 0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:57.760 some of the stuff that comes when you're in the 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:00.359 public eye, some of it, like I don't want for 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:03.320 my kids. But I also don't think I'm like a 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:06.160 well known celebrity, you know. I think there's people who 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:08.480 know what I've done. There's people who don't know what 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:11.240 I've done and assume they know. I think that it 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:13.959 served me well for the things that I want to achieve, 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:16.240 but I don't necessarily need it anymore. 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:18.000 Would you be sad if it went away? 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:20.680 Not at all. I mean, as long as I got 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:22.240 my kids and my friends, I'm good. 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:24.800 What does it take to be a really good manager? 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:29.439 I was looking up like David Geffen's model, which is 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:31.600 very similar to your model. It's more of like an 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:34.960 equity model, irving asof did like a touring model. More so, 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:39.280 everybody had a different vibe. You were the first one 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:42.320 to do this equity model plus be a public figure. 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:43.919 We were. 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:46.639 Yeah, look, we were very successful and the acts that 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:50.080 we worked with were incredibly successful. Yeah, and everyone did 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:52.359 incredibly well across the board. 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:54.560 And I'm really proud of the work that we did. 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:56.760 And you know, sometimes it's hard because you know when 0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:59.000 you leave, you know there's people from the outside they 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:01.120 wone have re vision. It says you this that. But 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:02.520 at the end of the day, I got in love 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:05.640 for everybody I worked with and nothing to say negative. 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:08.720 I'm very appreciative of those twenty three years. And I 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:11.080 wrote about it like I did a post and wrote 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:13.680 all the explanations why I stopped managing. It was hard 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:15.920 because there was a year where legally I wasn't allowed 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:18.719 to say why I stopped managing, and everyone had all 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:21.359 their assumptions and stories and this person left in this 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:23.880 and I'm like, I lost forty three clients in one day, 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:28.399 but legally I couldn't until we resolve certain things. And 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:30.560 then when I finally could, it just felt nice to 0:22:30.640 --> 0:22:32.880 do it, not so much for everyone else, But once 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:35.879 I said it publicly, I held myself accountable that I 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:38.080 wouldn't go back because I knew I didn't want to. 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:40.920 I think when you're asking me, like what it takes 0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:42.480 to be a good manager, I think it differs. I 0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:45.359 think some managers aren't amazing at torry. Luckily I had 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:47.920 people on my team who were. Some managers are amazing 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:51.920 at croudding the deals. Some are you know, amazing at marketing, you. 0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:53.520 Know, building a little sitt for you though. 0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:55.600 I think we were really good at marketing. We had 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:58.600 a really good sporting team. I was one manager who 0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:01.200 built an amazing team. You know, I stood on the 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:03.720 shoulders of a lot of people. You know, Jules is 0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:06.200 one of the best branding people brand deals out there. 0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:09.960 Alison is you know, was amazing at like dot in 0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:12.359 the eyes, crossing the t's and like you know, running 0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:12.840 the touring. 0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:15.479 Jam me it was more like EQ or IQ. 0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:16.680 I think it was a combination. 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:19.800 I think like I could cut deals and we would 0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:22.119 do deals and no one had ever done before. But 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:25.560 also it was a lot of building relationships, being there 0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:29.040 in the trenches, having understanding and being empathetic to what 0:23:29.080 --> 0:23:31.280 they were going through. And many times I've heard other 0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:33.520 managers tell me you got too close, you know, you 0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:36.359 had too close of a relationship like that was you know, 0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:38.240 you know, something you shouldn't have done. But I don't 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:40.200 have regrets, you know, because at the end of the day, 0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:43.360 relationships ebb and flow, family ebbs and flows, and those 0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:44.399 people always be family. 0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:44.960 Yeah. 0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:47.600 But I think what was interesting is not what made 0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:49.280 me a good manager, but in the end what made 0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:52.920 me a bad manager. When I finally did the self work, 0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:57.359 I knew my time as a manager was coming to 0:23:57.400 --> 0:24:01.359 an end. What made me a great manager for twenty 0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:05.760 years was my incessant need for them to tell me 0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:09.239 that I was enough for them to tell me, like, 0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:10.600 you're doing. 0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:10.920 A good job. 0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:16.280 So I had self worth. And when I stepped out 0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:18.520 and was in a tough place in my personal life 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:20.840 and everything else, and I chose to step away, And 0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:22.879 that was the first step, no phone, no email for 0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:25.760 the first time in twenty five years, and really go 0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:28.399 back into my childhood and dig deep into who I 0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:32.000 actually am. When I went to that place, I never 0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:33.600 ever let anyone call me Scott. 0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:34.439 I was only Scooter. 0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:36.120 I never felt like a Scott when I got out. 0:24:36.200 --> 0:24:40.000 I loved my name Scott. I appreciated Scooter, but I 0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:43.160 knew Scott had actually made him and that little boy 0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:44.040 was back in charge. 0:24:44.640 --> 0:24:47.600 But I can imagine your clients needed you to tell 0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:50.840 them that they were great, Like it was a codependent 0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:51.920 relationship undred percent. 0:24:52.040 --> 0:24:55.400 But when I got out, I wanted to be there 0:24:55.400 --> 0:24:57.080 for myself for the first time, and I wanted to 0:24:57.119 --> 0:25:00.480 be there for my kids, and so much of my 0:25:00.520 --> 0:25:05.240 life for twenty years was dedicated to them. And when 0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:07.320 I got out, I just wasn't a good manager the 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:10.240 way I was before. And and I know that in fact, 0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:12.439 you know, at the end, Ariana actually said it to me. 0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:15.080 She was like, you know, you haven't really been the. 0:25:15.040 --> 0:25:17.840 Manager you were for the last couple of years. And 0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:21.000 she was right, you know, and she deserved better at 0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:22.960 that point. And you know, my friend Brandon Creed is 0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:25.560 her manager now and he's crushing it and she's happy 0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:28.160 and she's crushing it, and I'm so happy for both 0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:28.440 of them. 0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:31.760 Like, honestly, were you burnt out? I think it wasn't 0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:33.040 part of being burnt out. 0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:35.800 But I also think the course of all the relationships, 0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:38.760 like it wasn't like just me, it's they could see 0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:40.720 it too, and their needs, like they deserve to have 0:25:40.840 --> 0:25:42.280 someone that's the job. 0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:43.600 You're supposed to be there for them. 0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:48.360 And when I wasn't, you know, in that position, if 0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:50.879 my soul wasn't in it the same way. So I 0:25:50.880 --> 0:25:52.679 think it was a mutual thing in the end of 0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:53.919 like an understanding like this is. 0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:54.840 And I've talked about it. 0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:56.479 We talked about twenty three years in the post and 0:25:56.760 --> 0:25:59.720 I spoke about it all. But I think nothing makes 0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:01.920 me happier than to see each one of them continue 0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:02.480 to succeed. 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:04.920 Right. I've heard you say you like seeing everybody win. 0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:07.080 Yeah, I like seeing everybody wins. Then everybody can pay 0:26:07.080 --> 0:26:09.720 for their own vacation. I call my vacation theory. But 0:26:09.760 --> 0:26:12.080 the other reason I like seeing everybody win is no 0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:13.960 matter what it's like, it's what me and my ex 0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:16.359 wife talk about, Like we have three amazing kids and 0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:20.159 we're tied to each other forever. That's family, and I 0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:21.920 want to see her do well because that's my family. 0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:24.400 No matter what, whether we're a couple or not, we're 0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:26.560 still co parents. We're still family forever. And that's the 0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:29.560 way I feel about the acts. It's like there's gonna 0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:31.280 be an ebbs and flows, and you know, you look 0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:33.359 back at history and certain people feel this and other 0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:35.520 people come in different people's years and say all kinds 0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:37.199 of things. But at the end of the day, for 0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:38.560 me at least, it's all love. 0:26:39.040 --> 0:26:39.760 It's no matter what. 0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:44.520 We did that, and we did that together and no 0:26:44.560 --> 0:26:47.280 one can take that away, So you know, why not? 0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:50.760 Like Dave Little Dicky, he and I had a dinner 0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:52.919 and he was talking to me about a relationship with 0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:55.119 someone else from his past in his career and I 0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:57.760 managed him for a while and he was frustrated, and 0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:00.159 I said, listen, does that person want to be your 0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:00.960 business life anymore? 0:27:00.960 --> 0:27:02.719 He said no. I was like, do you want them 0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:03.840 in your life anymore? He goes no. 0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:06.280 I was like, then, why can't you just celebrate who 0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:08.520 you were once to each other and let the rest go? 0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:11.639 And he did that, and I think that's what I 0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:13.320 try to do with all these people in my life. 0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:17.199 It's like there's so much noise out there in the 0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:19.600 world that we're in, especially in this town, in this business, 0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:22.680 everyone seems to have an opinion. I'm just going to 0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:24.560 celebrate who we awre to each other always. 0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:28.280 I like that. I want to talk about your first client, 0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:31.200 justin Biebert. You guys had such a ride together. I 0:27:31.240 --> 0:27:35.399 don't think Asher Roth was my first that's a great call. 0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:38.080 Was Justin your second Yes, Okay, I want to talk 0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:39.040 about actually. 0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:40.800 Know I had one called Cato, and I know them 0:27:40.800 --> 0:27:43.560 called the Bama Boys. You just know the ones that 0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:44.800 worked really big. 0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:47.240 I want to talk about your biggest clients. 0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:51.159 Okay. I Love College. That was my first hit and 0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:53.000 that was the first success. And then Justin. 0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:55.280 I was in college partying to I Love College. 0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:57.239 You know, Justin was in the studio when we cut it, 0:27:57.240 --> 0:27:59.440 in the makeshift studio behind in the basement because Asher, 0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:02.760 you used to literally babysit Justine me sometimes because Justin 0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:04.199 was so young, and he would go hang out at 0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:06.400 Asher's house and they'd like play you know, Mario Kart 0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:07.880 and like watch Justin hilarious. 0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:08.639 I mean it's crazy. 0:28:08.680 --> 0:28:09.919 Like I have a picture of like all of us 0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:12.560 on the stoop of the Greenhouse where like we recorded 0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:14.720 Asher stuff and I put them up to live and 0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:16.399 right down the street in the townhouse is where I 0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:17.760 put Justin and his mom and. 0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:20.000 It was like this makeshift crew of like us trying 0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:20.440 to make it. 0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:22.560 Okay, So I'm sorry it was my mistake. 0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:24.159 You're right, I will forgive you. 0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:26.320 Justin was not your first client, but I want to 0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:28.720 talk about your ride with him. I don't think we've 0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:31.919 seen fandom like that since the Beatles. That was really wild. 0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:33.080 Why are you laughing? 0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:35.399 I'm laughing because the Paul McCartney, Yeah, I think it 0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:37.600 was like the first or second Grammys we ever went to. 0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:39.440 He like saw me in the hallway. 0:28:39.520 --> 0:28:41.280 I'll never forget this, and he goes, you're Scooter right, 0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:42.880 and I was like yeah, and he goes, I'm one 0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:44.160 of the only people in the world who knows what 0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:46.240 you're going through it And for me. 0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:47.800 I was so excited because I share a birthday with 0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:50.080 Paul McCartney. And when I got to tell him we 0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:50.760 share a birthday. 0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:53.640 For me, that's incredibly exciting to share a birthday with pumccartney. 0:28:53.920 --> 0:28:56.280 Turns out didn't really excite him that he shared a 0:28:56.280 --> 0:28:56.880 birthday with me. 0:28:57.480 --> 0:28:59.959 He kind of was like, that's nice. 0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:01.320 I don't think he's walking around like I want to 0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:03.720 tellim scoter we share a birthday. So I was like, oh, yeah, 0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:05.960 I guess the other way. It's not really as exciting, 0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:06.800 but I. 0:29:06.720 --> 0:29:08.720 Think that's great because that was your second Grammy, so 0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:10.200 it was still all new and exciting to you. 0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:12.800 Yeah, by the wait As long as I'm seeing it 0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:15.080 through the eyes as someone who's experiencing it the first time, 0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:16.240 it's always fun for me. 0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:19.680 There's videos all over the internet of you guys running 0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:24.360 around giving out tickets to people who either couldn't get 0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:28.080 tickets couldn't afford tickets, and you hand them front row seats. 0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:30.960 They're crying. You guys donated a dollar from every ticket 0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:34.800 sold on Justin's Believe Tour to support Pencils of Promise. 0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:38.040 During the Justice World Tour, Bieber launched the Justice and 0:29:38.120 --> 0:29:42.360 Action Initiative. He's the talk recording artist for granting wishes 0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:46.320 for Make a Wish. Sure, when I think of philanthropic musicians, 0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:48.840 I always think of Dolly Parton, but I'm not sure 0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:52.400 I've seen a young person do it on that scale. 0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:55.680 What about the give back was so important to you guys. 0:29:56.440 --> 0:29:58.800 I don't think you get the rest without it. You know, 0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:01.680 my grandparents say, if your cup is being filled with 0:30:01.720 --> 0:30:04.160 water by God, you better start pouring in and other 0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:06.000 cups before it just makes a mess and spills all 0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:08.880 over the place. If we keep getting that energy, we 0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:11.720 have to share it. And that was always something important 0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:13.280 to my mother. It was important with In my culture. 0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:18.800 It's called sedaka just giving and charity, and it's biblical, 0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:22.240 like it literally says, you know, in the Torah, in 0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:25.920 the Bible, it literally says, when getting your crops, you're 0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:28.440 supposed to leave the field at the end untouched so 0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:30.200 people can come in and get some of the. 0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:33.640 Crops, right. And I'm a very firm believer in that. 0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:38.600 And I'm very grateful that Justin and Ariana and Demi 0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:40.959 and all these artists, Jay Balvin, all these artists I've 0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:44.040 gotten to work with over the years, all them said yes. 0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:47.600 And we brought in SHAWNA Nepp, who now runs our 0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:51.480 family foundation, but she's always run philanthropic and still does 0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:53.480 for most of the artists I've worked with and these 0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:57.360 you know, families, and she's just absolutely amazing. And you know, 0:30:57.440 --> 0:30:59.560 our job is to make it and her job is 0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:02.360 to give it a and that's just something really amazing. 0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:04.239 So I'm really grateful to all of the artists who 0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:06.200 signed up to do those in credit Blacks. I'm grateful 0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:08.400 to Justin for how many wishes he made over those 0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:12.000 tours and how many kids he made happy. And you know, now, 0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:13.920 like I'm very fortunate I get to serve on the 0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:16.360 national board to make a wish, and whenever I go 0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:18.960 to a board meeting, Leslie, our CEO, who is incredible, 0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:22.720 I always tell her these board meetings I benefit more 0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:24.920 than it, you know, than the kids, because getting to 0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:28.840 hear the stories, getting to witness these wishes fills me up. 0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:31.560 And the greatest thing you can. 0:31:31.480 --> 0:31:34.200 Do is give, because it's like I promise you, you make 0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:36.320 another dollar, you're going to be looking for more and 0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:37.640 trying to find out how to be happy. 0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:40.560 You give something, you're going to get closer to that happiness. 0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:44.160 I think now you see Chance theor rapper, he gave 0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:47.360 a million dollars to the Chicago Public school system. Taylor 0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:51.120 Swift would like give people their college education, their tuition. 0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:54.360 Do you think it's fair to say that you guys 0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:58.520 changed the culture of pop stardom and geared it a 0:31:58.520 --> 0:32:00.600 little bit more towards philanthropy. 0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:05.240 Look, that's a really beautiful thing to say, But I 0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:08.200 think the Civil rights movement was paid for by Sidney 0:32:08.200 --> 0:32:12.520 Poitier and people like him. I think that artists throughout 0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:17.760 history have stepped up to help others. I don't think 0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:18.600 that started with us. 0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:20.920 I think we were inspired by the people before us. 0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:23.440 You've had time away from that part of your life, 0:32:24.000 --> 0:32:25.680 what do you look back on and feel the most 0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:26.280 joy about. 0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:29.360 Well, I also didn't know an adult life was like this. 0:32:29.720 --> 0:32:32.560 I've been managing since I was nineteen, and like full 0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:35.360 time since I was nineteen, like two phones, answering every 0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:37.040 phone calling it. Yeah, so like the last two and 0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:39.280 a half years not managing because I announced it was 0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:40.560 I guess a year and a half ago, the twenty 0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:42.240 three years, but it's really been two and a half 0:32:42.280 --> 0:32:43.520 years since I made this decision. 0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:46.720 I didn't know you could have like a weekend. 0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:50.400 I didn't know you could actually like binge watch an 0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:51.920 entire series on Netflix. 0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:53.200 Yeah, it's epic. 0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:56.160 Like I'm loving it, and I'm still like I got 0:32:56.200 --> 0:32:57.720 the hunger again to go do other stuff. 0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:00.120 But it's been really nice. 0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:03.480 To be so present with my children and be so 0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:04.560 present with my friends. 0:33:04.600 --> 0:33:05.960 And my friends talk to me about it. 0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:08.960 They're like, you use some of these skills to like 0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:10.920 make sure we're all good at stagecoach or if we 0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:13.360 go to Coachell or something like that, But like used 0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:15.120 to use these skills in other ways, and it's kind 0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:16.239 of fun for you to use them. 0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:18.040 For us, and it's been really nice. 0:33:18.080 --> 0:33:23.280 When I look back at the career, it's a less 0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:28.720 small moments and then really big philanthropic moments. It's like 0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:32.720 a little moment on a road trip or being in 0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:36.720 a restaurant in you know, Europe on a promo trip 0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:38.800 when we were first starting and having laughs with the 0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:43.160 original crew. It's you know, watching Marcus Mumford come out 0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:45.560 at the Manchester Show and do the moment of silence 0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:48.640 and seeing sixty five thousand people completely silent, you know, 0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:49.960 when you didn't even know if they were going to 0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:53.040 show up because of you know, acts of terror. It's 0:33:55.200 --> 0:33:58.720 it's little things like backyard concerts that no one will 0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:01.040 ever see, you know, with a guitar being a passed 0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:05.600 around a fire pit. It's it's all the things that 0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:09.480 made all the nonsense worth it, you know, all the 0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:11.440 things that make me happy when I look back, I 0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:16.800 would have done for free. And being able to tell 0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:21.200 the stories in private settings when people ask or sometimes 0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:23.320 that's the best moment because you take it for granted. 0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:26.280 You almost act like, you know, you're feeling the injuries 0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:28.799 of it sometimes and you don't realize how many great 0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:31.600 things came from it. And how many beautiful moments and 0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:36.560 how many experiences, and honestly, it's just a lot of love. 0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:39.040 Like you're looking backly even like being on the road 0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:41.839 in the beginning, and like pulling into Walmart's at two 0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:43.520 o'clock in the morning, and the things that you'll see 0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:45.160 in a Walmart at two o'clock in the morning in 0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:48.480 the middle of America epic epic? 0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:50.799 Do you have any regrets about that time? 0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:54.320 I think everything happens exactly the way it should. 0:34:55.239 --> 0:34:59.080 However, I don't want to use mental health as a 0:34:59.120 --> 0:35:01.160 crutch because I think too many times people do that. 0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:03.920 I think people say, oh, mental health, mental health. It's 0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:06.120 almost like they don't want any adversity in their life. 0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:08.960 And I don't think unless you take responsibility for your life, 0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:12.719 you actually learn or grow. But I do think the 0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:19.520 regret I have is not understanding taking self work time 0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:22.880 for both myself and encouraging it for the people I 0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:26.680 work with. I think we all could have awaited a 0:35:26.680 --> 0:35:28.719 lot of pain. I think we were so young, and 0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:33.880 we all moved so fast that we didn't know you know, 0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:34.880 and by I didn't. 0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:35.520 Figure that part out. 0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:41.000 You're moving so fast and you're having all this success 0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:44.120 and you're not realizing that toll it could take on 0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:49.840 you long term of not being present completely to the 0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:52.680 moment of all the pressures that come with it that 0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:55.360 you're not prepared for when they finally hit. And I 0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:59.440 think understanding now at this age the importance of one 0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:01.399 to two weeks year where you really take the time 0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:04.360 to go inward and build a foundation for yourself so 0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:07.799 when those waves come you can swim through them. I 0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:10.600 didn't understand that lesson until I was older and I 0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:12.200 had to deal with hard things, and I wish I 0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:13.880 knew it earlier and I would have been able to 0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:16.000 encourage it for everyone I was working with as well. 0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:20.719 That makes sense. So you pluck someone from Canada off 0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:25.000 of YouTube, you guys have this insane ride together, and 0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:28.359 then the working relationship has since come to an end. 0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:30.640 When did you guys know it was the end of 0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:32.759 that relationship, Because to me, it must sort of be 0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:36.239 like an intimate partner, like you just wake up one 0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:41.200 day and feel it like it's over or was it 0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:41.879 a slow role? 0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:45.680 I just think, listen, a lot of things happened, and 0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:51.040 I think over time, each one of us is making 0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:53.600 decisions for our own personal life. And sometimes you drift. 0:36:53.680 --> 0:36:57.400 Sometimes a lot of people get in between. Sometimes, you know, 0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:02.120 I think the story's not not in a working relationship, 0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:04.640 but I think that's what happens with relationships like that. 0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:07.680 They ebb and they flow, and they go up and down, 0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:10.920 and sometimes they go into one direction, sometimes they go another, 0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:12.719 but you always keep your heart open to the fact 0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:17.040 that that's family and it goes up and down and 0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:19.400 you have each other's back in the end. And I 0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:23.400 think that you know, for me, my life went a 0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:27.040 certain direction where I was done managing and I wanted 0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:28.799 something else for my life. And I think his life 0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:31.040 when a certain direction where he was ready to really 0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:36.920 control his own destiny. And I think both are appropriate 0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:41.120 and I respect completely. You know that he is his 0:37:41.160 --> 0:37:43.640 own man now and that that you know, he wants 0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:46.279 to build his career moving forward the way he sees fit, 0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:49.000 and he should same way. I respect the fact that 0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:51.200 I want to build my life a certain way moving forward, 0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:53.880 and I think you do so with love and respect, 0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:56.080 and you don't really Sometimes you it's you know, with 0:37:56.160 --> 0:37:58.040 other people it was like, Okay, this is the day, 0:37:58.080 --> 0:38:00.000 and you point to it, and other times you really 0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:02.759 it just gets there. One day, and I think you 0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:03.880 treat both with respect. 0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:05.960 Was it tough. 0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:10.720 At times, but like I said, I feel like everything 0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:13.400 happens in the timing it should. Yeah, you know, the 0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:15.960 stuff that I was dealing with in my personal life 0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:19.520 was much tougher, you know, divorced with kids. I wouldn't 0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:23.279 wish on your worst enemy, even with someone like my ex. 0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:24.960 Who we did so we did it with such respect 0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:29.080 for each other. But I don't think stories like end 0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:31.600 the way you're describing. I think. 0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:39.839 Their chapters, you know, and real relationships, you know, it's 0:38:39.840 --> 0:38:41.920 just you're in a different chapter. You're each in a 0:38:41.960 --> 0:38:43.879 different point in your life, and sometimes it comes together. 0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:45.279 It's like a good friend, you know what I mean. 0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:48.960 Like sometimes you could be ah, other times you could 0:38:48.960 --> 0:38:50.279 be like, I'm talking to you in years you pick 0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:51.560 it up like that, you know. 0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:52.879 It's just I don't I don't think. 0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:56.080 I think the only thing that's definitively ending is a lifetime, 0:38:56.840 --> 0:38:58.400 you know, So the rest of it is you never 0:38:58.520 --> 0:38:58.840 never know. 0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:01.719 Well, the way you're describing it makes it seem like 0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:03.920 you're hopeful that it'll come back together. 0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:06.680 Is not the business way, right, I said, I'm hopeful 0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:09.560 in the fact of like, he's not done and I'm 0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:10.759 not done cheering for him. 0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:15.560 You guys created such a strong fan base, and recently 0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:18.719 his fans have been concerned about his health. People are 0:39:18.760 --> 0:39:22.800 speculating USA Today said Justin Bieber's crashing out. There's videos 0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:26.200 of him at Coachella where fans raised concerned about his appearance. 0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:28.919 What goes through your mind when you hear me say 0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:30.960 that or see those videos that. 0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:33.680 People should if they really respect him, they should leave 0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:35.200 him and his family alone. 0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:38.240 I think he has a newborn child. I think he's married. 0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:40.719 I think that that life is not easy, and if 0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:45.360 they really did care, they would give him an opportunity 0:39:45.960 --> 0:39:46.960 to be a human being. 0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:50.560 Yeah, there was a moment. We talked about this a 0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:53.360 little bit earlier, but there was a moment when you yourself 0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:57.080 made headlines last year. We repeatedly saw these headlines and 0:39:57.120 --> 0:39:59.560 it made it seemed like things were leaking. We're either 0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:03.400 an artist on your roster was coming out or leaking 0:40:03.400 --> 0:40:05.840 that they were leaving your management company, and it seemed 0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:08.239 as though you were just taking hit after hit. Yeah, 0:40:08.560 --> 0:40:10.600 how did it feel at that point because you mentioned 0:40:10.640 --> 0:40:12.240 you were under NDA, so you couldn't say. 0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:14.160 Anything, Well, I also had a dream, so I couldn't 0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:16.920 say anything. I could I was under nda. But my 0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:19.319 publicists could have, like for our company, could have said, hey, 0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:19.799 that's not true. 0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:22.440 But I wouldn't let her why because I had a dream. 0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:23.200 What? 0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:24.360 Yeah, I had a dream? 0:40:24.560 --> 0:40:25.120 Can you share? 0:40:25.440 --> 0:40:28.719 Yeah? I one of I'm not going to go into names. 0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:30.560 One of my biggest clients came to me and said 0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:32.560 that they wanted to spread their wings and do something different. 0:40:33.080 --> 0:40:34.920 But I also knew that that was appropriate at the 0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:37.239 time because I felt the same way quite some time, 0:40:37.640 --> 0:40:39.839 but I was too afraid to say it out loud 0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:42.520 because I was too afraid of who am I without them? Okay, 0:40:43.239 --> 0:40:45.200 So when this happened, it was almost a catalyst for 0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:48.920 me realizing, like it's now and I was on a 0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:52.000 vacation with my best friends who really in my divorce 0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:55.600 picked me up, and I had never done like a 0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:57.919 boy's trip in my entire life, my entire adult life, 0:40:57.920 --> 0:40:59.279 Like this was the first one. And I took all 0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:01.319 of them and like we went to Europe and I 0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:03.600 took them on a trip and like I'm talking, he's 0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:05.680 gonna love this because I'm stand in the pocket, Like 0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:08.359 I got a buddy Paul Brown from Bridgeport. He loves 0:41:08.360 --> 0:41:11.400 when I say his name, and you know, Mike and 0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:14.040 Jay and Buk and like, you know, all these guys 0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:17.080 who like came to the trip. Dave Usher joined because 0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:18.799 we've adopted him into the childhood group. 0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:22.279 But some of these guys had never been to. 0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:24.879 Europe, and like I was like, I'm taking you guys 0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:26.200 because you were there for me and I want to 0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:27.880 do something for you. And it was one of the 0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:30.000 greatest trips in my life other than being with my children. 0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:30.440 Mm hm. 0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:34.120 And during this trip, this artist said this to me 0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:36.960 that maybe we should change something, and I realized, I'm like, actually, 0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:39.799 they're right, Like I've been avoiding this for quite some time. 0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:43.839 And I went and I actually took a nap and 0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:46.680 I had a very vivid dream and I have a 0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:49.480 tattoo on the back of my arm about this dream. 0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:50.640 What does the tattoos say? 0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:51.960 It's not what it says. 0:41:52.080 --> 0:41:55.920 It is a man standing in a giant flame and 0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:58.720 the flame cannot touch him, and inside of him. 0:41:58.640 --> 0:41:59.880 Is the full universe. 0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:03.239 And basically what the dream said to me is you 0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:07.480 are trying to navigate the perfect ending, and if you 0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:09.719 do that, you're gonna get slapped in the face because 0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:11.839 that's not what we want for you. You have to pull 0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:14.759 the band aid. You have to stop managing and do 0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:16.600 what you know you should have done for quite some time, 0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:19.319 and then you have to go silent. If you do that, 0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:22.120 I will let you have the rest of this ten 0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:25.320 day vacation. No one will interrupt, which has never happened 0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:28.040 in my entire career, and you will have the best 0:42:28.040 --> 0:42:29.239 time in your life, and it will show you what 0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:31.440 your life could be on the other side. But on 0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:33.880 the final day, all hell is going to break loose 0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:36.760 and everyone's gonna say they all left you, and people 0:42:36.760 --> 0:42:39.200 are going to completely misunderstand this whole thing. So I 0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:41.680 wake up it's vivid, and I tell my best friend 0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:42.839 Jay Williams, who's on the. 0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:44.399 Trip, And Jay's like, dude, no one cares. 0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:46.040 Your manager's not gonna happen like that, And I was like, 0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:49.320 I'm telling you, so we the rest of the trip 0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:53.760 is amazing. No one bothers. I make the calls that day. Yeah, 0:42:53.960 --> 0:42:56.960 I'm no longer managing. It's done. All the clients know. 0:42:57.840 --> 0:42:59.520 I've like had the phone. I spend a whole day 0:42:59.520 --> 0:43:03.840 making call. The trip is incredible, best trip of my life, 0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:07.080 loved by my friends, loving on my friends. It was 0:43:07.120 --> 0:43:09.120 a beautiful, beautiful trip. It's one of the greatest trips 0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:10.120 all of us joke. 0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:10.680 Around, will ever have. 0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:13.880 Okay, the final day, we're flying home and my phone 0:43:13.880 --> 0:43:18.439 just starts to go and literally all hell is breaking loose. 0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:20.920 The press is saying every client's leaving me. People are 0:43:20.920 --> 0:43:23.600 making t shirts over her to La. I was managed 0:43:23.600 --> 0:43:26.719 by Scooter Braun and I left him like it was crazy. 0:43:27.040 --> 0:43:28.640 And the publicist is calling me and being like, we 0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:29.240 gotta respond. 0:43:29.239 --> 0:43:31.480 We got and I said you can't because if I do, 0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:33.520 then I'm gonna get more trouble. 0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:35.120 I'm gonna get slapped. I had this dream and they're like, 0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:36.120 what are you talking about. I'm like, you have to 0:43:36.200 --> 0:43:36.520 let it go. 0:43:36.560 --> 0:43:38.000 It's gonna last for a week or two and then 0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:39.359 it's going to disappear. And they're like, no, we need 0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:39.719 to say something. 0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:40.520 We need to say something. 0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:43.680 And sure enough I stood in the fire. It didn't 0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:45.680 touch me. It all burned down around me. All my 0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:48.280 worst fears of what would happen if I stopped managing 0:43:48.320 --> 0:43:50.879 took place. And then after two weeks and went away 0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:54.040 and it wasn't that bad and the dream was real 0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:56.520 and it sounds crazy and I've actually never told that 0:43:56.560 --> 0:43:59.520 story publicly, but that's why I didn't respond. 0:43:59.560 --> 0:44:00.719 It wasn't any about in India. 0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:03.560 I couldn't write twenty three years for another year because 0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:05.359 we had to finish a lot of the contracts because 0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:08.920 like lots of different reasons, right, but responding, hey, this 0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:12.200 isn't true, I just couldn't because of this dream. 0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:13.839 And then I went and got the tattoo because of it. 0:44:14.520 --> 0:44:17.160 And have you ever listened to a dream before? Or 0:44:17.200 --> 0:44:18.400 this was the first you have? 0:44:18.640 --> 0:44:21.879 Yeah, dreams have guided me in my life a bunch 0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:22.120 of time. 0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:25.440 Really, Yeah, when they're that vivid, yeah, I think I think. Yeah, 0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:26.680 I think they should since you were a. 0:44:27.400 --> 0:44:29.640 Yeah, sometimes there are daydreams sometimes of this, but that 0:44:29.760 --> 0:44:32.680 was really really vivid, and it sucked because it was 0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:35.719 against everything I wanted to do and it was like 0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:38.759 it was hard and it wasn't fun, and it wasn't like, hey, 0:44:38.800 --> 0:44:39.719 we're going to you know, this is going to be 0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:41.520 an easy dream for you. We're asking you to do 0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:43.920 something completely out of your character. You have to let go. 0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:46.279 You're not allowed to manipulate this. You're not allowed to 0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:48.839 try and control this. You have to let go and 0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:54.200 let it burn. And that was really difficult. But the 0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:57.719 crazier it got and the more people talked, the more 0:44:57.760 --> 0:45:01.560 conviction I had that the dream was true. So it 0:45:01.600 --> 0:45:04.080 was like the more people said, and the more ou 0:45:04.160 --> 0:45:06.160 to hand. I mean, they were like Carlie ray Jepson 0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:08.840 left Scooter Brown. I didn't manage Carly in like five years. 0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:10.960 Carly's called me, like, what am I having to do 0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:13.200 with this? I'm like, I don't know, Like like you know, 0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:15.239 Dina Menzel, I'm like, it was starting to get crazy 0:45:15.280 --> 0:45:20.480 people I hadn't managed recently, and and the crazier got 0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:24.400 the more I was like, God is good and it 0:45:24.480 --> 0:45:25.120 is real. 0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:26.560 And like trust. 0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:31.440 So for the record, your clients did not leave you. 0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:35.280 One did, but the rest didn't. You left your clients. 0:45:35.360 --> 0:45:36.480 No, not that I left my clients. 0:45:36.520 --> 0:45:38.640 We had an honest conversation about really where I had 0:45:38.640 --> 0:45:40.600 been for quite some time, and some were like what 0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:42.279 does this mean? And will you still help? And this 0:45:42.280 --> 0:45:44.959 that and the other. But you know, for the record, 0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:48.440 I don't ever want to disch. I didn't leave anybody. 0:45:48.480 --> 0:45:49.359 We left each other. 0:45:49.400 --> 0:45:49.920 It was time. 0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:54.680 Okay, that's a wild dream, did you. 0:45:54.760 --> 0:45:56.520 I think. I think the reason is also crazy because 0:45:56.520 --> 0:45:59.040 no one could imagine that like I would want that, 0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:01.759 you know, like no one imagined like when you're in 0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:03.160 that position, that you actually. 0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:04.520 Don't want to do that job anymore. 0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:05.320 Yeah. 0:46:05.360 --> 0:46:06.840 But you know who wasn't surprised. 0:46:07.520 --> 0:46:10.640 Every one of my close friends, Okay, they no one 0:46:10.760 --> 0:46:13.000 checked on me because when they saw it, they've known 0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:14.200 for years how I felt. 0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:18.480 So they understood. But I didn't leave anybody. 0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:20.920 Those are the greatest people to work with in the world, 0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:22.360 like the most talented people in the world. 0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:23.280 It was just time. 0:46:24.040 --> 0:46:25.800 Did you ever feel betrayed by a client? 0:46:26.520 --> 0:46:29.200 Yeah, And I'm sure they felt betrayed by me. You know, 0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:30.040 I don't want to. 0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:32.560 I think it's easy to point fingers at someone else 0:46:32.560 --> 0:46:33.680 and say you did me dirty. 0:46:33.800 --> 0:46:35.480 You know. People hurt people hurt people. 0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:37.840 Yeah, you know, and I'm sure like when people have 0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:40.799 heard things over the years and misconstrued or someone gets 0:46:40.840 --> 0:46:43.680 in their ear, you know, they can feel, oh, he 0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:46.279 did this or he did that shit the internet think 0:46:46.360 --> 0:46:48.319 so I'm like all powerful, like and I can do 0:46:48.360 --> 0:46:49.880 all kinds of things I have nothing to do with. 0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:51.160 But I think. 0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:55.360 I try to have empathy in every situation because I 0:46:55.440 --> 0:46:58.680 felt betrayed before. I try to imagine if they're acting 0:46:58.719 --> 0:47:02.080 that way, probably they're feeling the same way somehow, And 0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:05.080 I think it's just easier to not hold onto that energy. 0:47:06.320 --> 0:47:08.920 You manage Kanye West for instant. 0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:12.600 And a little while. How long it was like two 0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:13.080 three years. 0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:18.400 So your grandparents are Holocaust survivors. You stand up for 0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:21.840 Jewish people around the world, and Kanye West is now 0:47:22.000 --> 0:47:26.160 an anti Semite and self proclaimed Nazi. I'm curious what 0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:29.360 it feels like to have tried to help guide someone 0:47:29.360 --> 0:47:31.680 who now stands in opposition of so many of your 0:47:31.719 --> 0:47:32.600 deepest values. 0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:35.880 You know, the last time he spoke about me, he 0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:38.400 actually like he did a Charlottage interview and there's like 0:47:38.440 --> 0:47:42.560 a clip of it, and he talked about the relationship 0:47:42.560 --> 0:47:44.360 we had where I helped him, and he actually says, like, 0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:46.760 this Jewish man helped me because two of my brothers 0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:50.400 are black, and he was talking about my relationship. My 0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:52.719 brothers allowed me to have an understanding on how to 0:47:52.719 --> 0:47:54.680 talk to a black man because I have family that's black, 0:47:55.160 --> 0:47:56.600 and he was saying how I helped. 0:47:56.440 --> 0:47:57.160 Him over the years. 0:47:57.560 --> 0:48:01.120 And then three four years later, the narrative that you're 0:48:01.160 --> 0:48:06.760 discussing started. I don't know him anymore, and I think 0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:11.880 the person that I knew wasn't someone who says those things. 0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:15.880 And I think sometimes the hardest thing to do with 0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:18.440 someone you care about is more in them while they're 0:48:18.480 --> 0:48:22.840 still here. And for me, the person that I knew 0:48:22.880 --> 0:48:25.719 is not the person that I'm seeing, So I don't 0:48:25.719 --> 0:48:26.960 have a relationship anymore. 0:48:27.680 --> 0:48:28.960 And I'd rather. 0:48:28.760 --> 0:48:30.880 Stand proudly and who I am and who my people 0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:35.239 are and be gracious and kind to all people, then 0:48:35.320 --> 0:48:36.040 be a part of that. 0:48:36.800 --> 0:48:39.160 So I don't have any ill will. 0:48:39.239 --> 0:48:41.759 I have no interest in turning into the monster that 0:48:41.800 --> 0:48:44.640 people you know with anti Semitism or hate want you 0:48:44.719 --> 0:48:49.359 to be. I'd rather be someone who is focused on 0:48:49.400 --> 0:48:53.160 positivity and being damn proud of who I am and 0:48:53.200 --> 0:48:56.920 who my grandparents were and who my people are, and 0:48:56.960 --> 0:48:59.440 not fall for this narrative that I'm seeing all two 0:48:59.440 --> 0:49:03.759 prevalence October seventh, And that's why I'm not scared or 0:49:04.320 --> 0:49:07.440 interested in talking about anti Semitism as much as I 0:49:07.480 --> 0:49:10.600 am in talking about what a beautiful, kind and loving 0:49:10.640 --> 0:49:13.680 people we are and it is to be a Jewish 0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:17.680 person of Jewish faith and Jewish culture, and I'd rather 0:49:18.320 --> 0:49:21.400 I tell someone instead of like, don't say that about me. 0:49:21.440 --> 0:49:23.520 I'd rather say, come to Shabbat and see who we are. 0:49:24.239 --> 0:49:28.440 So you know, I think he can be reached, though. 0:49:29.960 --> 0:49:32.200 I don't know and I don't know him, and I 0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:34.680 think right now I have three beautiful kids that need 0:49:34.719 --> 0:49:36.600 a dad to focus on them and make sure they're 0:49:36.640 --> 0:49:38.160 prepared and strong in this world, and. 0:49:38.040 --> 0:49:39.319 That's going to be my focus. 0:49:39.840 --> 0:49:42.080 Does any part of you ever wish that you didn't 0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:43.560 manage any of these people? 0:49:44.040 --> 0:49:47.640 No, I love I love my life, and I think 0:49:47.840 --> 0:49:50.080 my life has been like almost like this weird Forest 0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:51.280 Gump journey. 0:49:51.360 --> 0:49:54.160 Of like how the hell did I get in that situation? 0:49:54.880 --> 0:49:57.839 I mean I got to like travel the world with Justin, 0:49:57.920 --> 0:50:01.440 with Arianna, but also with like side doing Gangnam Style 0:50:01.600 --> 0:50:04.120 and like Harley Racing called me maybe, and the wanted 0:50:04.160 --> 0:50:06.319 doing Glad you came and seeing Tory Kelly sing at 0:50:06.320 --> 0:50:10.319 a coffee shop, to winning Grammys to you know, Dan 0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:13.560 and Shay like and then all the different things, so 0:50:13.600 --> 0:50:16.759 many different wild stories and artists and tech company like 0:50:16.800 --> 0:50:19.640 it's just all these weird situations I found myself in 0:50:19.680 --> 0:50:22.200 over the years and still find myself in and I 0:50:22.239 --> 0:50:23.759 always say, like, when you say, do you not. 0:50:23.760 --> 0:50:24.440 Wish you manage him? 0:50:24.480 --> 0:50:27.520 I always think of do you remember Carl Lewis, He 0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:29.400 won the gold medal for the US. He was like 0:50:29.440 --> 0:50:31.440 the fastest man in the world. And we were kids, 0:50:32.440 --> 0:50:34.440 me and my brother Adam. We were in an airport 0:50:34.480 --> 0:50:38.279 when we were probably like seven and five or like 0:50:38.360 --> 0:50:40.960 eight and six, and Carl Lewis had just won the 0:50:40.960 --> 0:50:43.359 gold medal. He was in the airport and my dad 0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:46.400 pointed it out and me and my brother kept walking 0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:49.279 and then running past him and then letting him pass us. 0:50:49.719 --> 0:50:51.279 And then we'd run past him and we were like, 0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:52.960 we're the fastest guy in the world. 0:50:53.160 --> 0:50:54.600 And there was one time where he kind of like 0:50:54.640 --> 0:50:56.400 looked at us and he made a move to like sprint, 0:50:56.400 --> 0:50:59.960 and we like all giggled. I'm forty three years old. 0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:04.399 I have never forgot that moment. And I said to Chris, 0:51:04.440 --> 0:51:07.080 Paul was an amazing point guard and an amazing friend. 0:51:07.840 --> 0:51:09.520 I said to him one time, I said, you know what, Chris, 0:51:09.520 --> 0:51:11.600 the coolest part about our lives now is that our 0:51:11.680 --> 0:51:16.080 every day is someone else's forever, you know, and that 0:51:16.239 --> 0:51:18.400 things that happened to us on a daily basis. Is 0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:21.319 that story that little kid remembered at forty three years old, 0:51:21.920 --> 0:51:24.320 And as long as I don't take that for granted, 0:51:24.520 --> 0:51:27.319 how cool is that? And like that job afforded me 0:51:27.360 --> 0:51:29.399 all those memories, so I love it. 0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:32.160 If you had to throw like one fish back into 0:51:32.160 --> 0:51:33.120 the ocean, though. 0:51:33.520 --> 0:51:36.440 One fish back into the ocean, this is gonna be fun. 0:51:36.480 --> 0:51:38.520 If I had to throw one fish back into the ocean, 0:51:39.160 --> 0:51:39.920 you're saying. 0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:42.120 Like one client, Yeah, like one client. 0:51:43.320 --> 0:51:45.120 Honestly, I have never even thought of this, but actually, 0:51:45.160 --> 0:51:48.080 like every experience was worth it. 0:51:48.760 --> 0:51:50.640 So if people didn't know you from your work with 0:51:50.680 --> 0:51:53.480 all these artists like Bieber and Ariana, they definitely know 0:51:53.520 --> 0:51:58.480 you from the Taylor Swift saga started back in twenty nineteen, 0:51:58.800 --> 0:52:02.360 and I think we quotes here and there around the internet, 0:52:02.400 --> 0:52:04.439 but we never really get the full story from you 0:52:05.040 --> 0:52:06.760 from your perspective what happened. 0:52:07.840 --> 0:52:09.879 Look for me, it was six years ago. 0:52:10.680 --> 0:52:14.200 I think, like going backwards and like revisiting this is 0:52:14.200 --> 0:52:14.960 a waste of time. 0:52:15.719 --> 0:52:16.440 I think. 0:52:18.600 --> 0:52:24.080 That I just assume you know, since then there have 0:52:24.080 --> 0:52:26.200 been more deep dives, but I think people cared less 0:52:26.200 --> 0:52:27.600 and less than the years, So I think a lot 0:52:27.640 --> 0:52:29.840 of the facts are out there now if people actually 0:52:29.920 --> 0:52:32.200 choose to go look at them. But I always choose 0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:34.600 to think like, the only thing I didn't appreciate is 0:52:35.360 --> 0:52:38.680 it was so public without an understanding of actually what 0:52:38.760 --> 0:52:40.799 was going on. But I think once you do that, 0:52:40.840 --> 0:52:43.239 it's hard to put it back in the box. But 0:52:43.320 --> 0:52:46.640 I also think that, you know, like when Taylor says 0:52:46.680 --> 0:52:49.040 that she wasn't offered the Masters, the reason I was 0:52:49.120 --> 0:52:51.800 under NBA was because we were in negotiations to sell. 0:52:51.680 --> 0:52:52.440 It back to her. 0:52:52.840 --> 0:52:55.120 I just choose to believe her that maybe they didn't 0:52:55.120 --> 0:52:58.399 tell her her team, like maybe her team didn't tell 0:52:58.400 --> 0:53:01.520 her didn't understand the negotiation. But the thing, you know, 0:53:01.880 --> 0:53:04.480 for me, the only thing that I really regret is 0:53:04.480 --> 0:53:07.680 that it's easy to have a monster if you never 0:53:07.760 --> 0:53:10.480 meet them. And Taylor and I have only met three 0:53:10.560 --> 0:53:12.799 times in our life, and I think at that point 0:53:12.840 --> 0:53:14.920 we hadn't seen each other in two three years. I 0:53:15.000 --> 0:53:17.440 was managing people she wasn't a fan of, and she 0:53:17.520 --> 0:53:19.320 probably saw my name come up and was like, I 0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:22.440 don't like those people, so I don't like him. But 0:53:23.120 --> 0:53:24.640 you know, we never had an opportunity to sit in 0:53:24.640 --> 0:53:26.360 front of each other and actually have a conversation to 0:53:26.400 --> 0:53:29.200 this day, and I think that you know, most of 0:53:29.239 --> 0:53:31.200 the time, when people actually sit in front of each other, 0:53:31.239 --> 0:53:33.879 the monster isn't real, that there's an understanding, that there's 0:53:33.880 --> 0:53:36.200 a healing, you know that you know people kind of 0:53:36.239 --> 0:53:39.000 a conversation. And because when I was asking for that, 0:53:39.200 --> 0:53:43.440 it just never happened. It really awry, and I chose 0:53:43.480 --> 0:53:45.799 to not say much. But the cool part is if 0:53:45.800 --> 0:53:47.960 you actually pay attention, everybody in the end won. 0:53:48.920 --> 0:53:49.520 What do you mean? 0:53:50.080 --> 0:53:52.960 Well, yes, she could have bought them back and that 0:53:53.000 --> 0:53:54.879 could have been part of the victory, but I choose 0:53:54.920 --> 0:53:56.239 to think of a team. Maybe he didn't tell her, 0:53:56.840 --> 0:54:00.120 but like we ended up when they turned it down, 0:54:00.280 --> 0:54:02.360 we ended up selling it to someone else because she 0:54:02.400 --> 0:54:03.319 didn't want us to have it. 0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:04.960 We did very well in that. 0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:07.479 Sale because we bought it at at a really great price, 0:54:07.480 --> 0:54:11.600 and the value Masters went up. And the thesis when 0:54:11.640 --> 0:54:13.719 I sold it was she had announced she was going 0:54:13.800 --> 0:54:18.480 to do rerecords and I, if you understand music, the 0:54:18.600 --> 0:54:21.960 value went up for Masters because Spotify and streamers created 0:54:22.000 --> 0:54:25.799 a longer decay than buying just CDs, so like people 0:54:25.800 --> 0:54:27.560 would listen to them more so there's a longer decay, 0:54:27.560 --> 0:54:31.440 but it's still decaying. But when she records, all ships 0:54:31.520 --> 0:54:33.439 rise in a world of streaming, so people were going 0:54:33.440 --> 0:54:34.520 on and they were a being them. 0:54:34.560 --> 0:54:36.320 They were listening to see how much they sounded like. 0:54:36.400 --> 0:54:40.720 So she did incredibly well and basically had the biggest 0:54:40.719 --> 0:54:42.880 moment of her career, reinvigorating her career. 0:54:42.680 --> 0:54:44.520 With each one. It was brilliant on her part. 0:54:44.840 --> 0:54:47.759 But also each time she released one, you saw a 0:54:47.800 --> 0:54:50.200 spike in the original catalog, and that's how we were 0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:52.319 able to tell, Okay, if she doesn't want them, this 0:54:52.440 --> 0:54:55.000 is still a really great asset. And we actually created 0:54:55.040 --> 0:54:56.319 an e n out. We did every one of our 0:54:56.320 --> 0:54:59.160 earn outs and we were right. So funny enough everyone 0:54:59.239 --> 0:55:02.640 involved in the Sofa from a business standpoint one, she's 0:55:02.680 --> 0:55:04.880 the biggest she's ever been, biggest artist of all time. 0:55:05.560 --> 0:55:07.640 We did really well with the asset. The people who 0:55:07.680 --> 0:55:10.240 bought the asset did really well because of those spikes. 0:55:11.320 --> 0:55:14.000 The only thing that I'm sad about is that's a 0:55:14.000 --> 0:55:17.440 great example where everybody all ships can rise and there 0:55:17.480 --> 0:55:19.759 doesn't need to be an enemy. There doesn't need to 0:55:19.760 --> 0:55:22.200 be and and in that if her team, you know, 0:55:22.400 --> 0:55:24.799 she could have bought them back, but like, even with 0:55:24.880 --> 0:55:28.799 not doing that right, I wish kids and people out 0:55:28.800 --> 0:55:32.520 there understood that, like there are scenarios in life where 0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:35.319 there doesn't need to be an oppressor and oppressed. There 0:55:35.360 --> 0:55:38.799 are scenarios in life where it's a misunderstanding yet everyone 0:55:39.120 --> 0:55:42.640 can succeed. And the whole reason I did that deal 0:55:43.120 --> 0:55:44.840 was not only because I believed in Big Machine and 0:55:44.920 --> 0:55:48.960 Scott and Thomas Rhett and you know Florida, George I 0:55:49.000 --> 0:55:51.080 and all the amazing acts they had on Big Machine. 0:55:51.600 --> 0:55:55.040 But you don't make a deal at that level unless 0:55:55.080 --> 0:55:58.520 you believe in her. Yeah, you know, so I believed 0:55:58.719 --> 0:56:01.400 that she was going to become exactly who she's remained 0:56:01.400 --> 0:56:04.759 to be. And you know, the narrative since then, you 0:56:04.800 --> 0:56:06.520 know me even talking about this, now there's gonna be 0:56:06.560 --> 0:56:08.640 Hello Swifties. They're gonna be yelling and screaming and you 0:56:08.680 --> 0:56:10.480 know this, that and the other. You can't say anything right, 0:56:10.520 --> 0:56:13.560 and it is what it is. And you know my 0:56:13.719 --> 0:56:16.799 response to that is they made the horrible, you know, 0:56:17.960 --> 0:56:21.839 miscalculation that I care. You know, My thing is that 0:56:21.880 --> 0:56:25.440 i'd you know, I just I don't know those people 0:56:25.440 --> 0:56:26.840 out there, and if I met them in person and 0:56:26.880 --> 0:56:27.680 they needed my help. 0:56:27.760 --> 0:56:29.000 As a stranger, I would help. 0:56:28.840 --> 0:56:32.279 Them, and I've seen that on a human level, and 0:56:32.320 --> 0:56:34.120 I think people forget that when you have a fan 0:56:34.160 --> 0:56:36.360 base that big. If ten thousand people are yelling at you, 0:56:36.400 --> 0:56:38.239 it feels like the world is ending. But that's less 0:56:38.239 --> 0:56:40.200 than one percent of a fan base that big. I 0:56:40.280 --> 0:56:43.200 think most people are dealing with their own problems. I 0:56:43.200 --> 0:56:45.360 think most people are dealing with their own insecurities the 0:56:45.360 --> 0:56:47.239 same way I am, the same way you know, every 0:56:47.320 --> 0:56:50.120 artist and every human being is. And I think that 0:56:50.360 --> 0:56:53.520 it's just a more productive use of your time to 0:56:53.560 --> 0:56:57.160 not get stuck in the craziness of celebrity fodder and 0:56:57.200 --> 0:56:58.760 focus more on being kind to people. 0:56:59.800 --> 0:57:03.520 Interesting to hear that everybody won Like netnet, you made money, 0:57:03.680 --> 0:57:06.799 she made money. The thing that she told Time that 0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:09.160 I am curious about is she said, with the scooter thing, 0:57:09.200 --> 0:57:11.760 my masters were being sold to someone who actively wanted 0:57:11.800 --> 0:57:14.880 them for nefarious reasons. In my opinion, what do you 0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:16.000 think she's referring to. 0:57:16.720 --> 0:57:19.720 I don't know. I don't have any nefarious reasons. You don't. 0:57:20.360 --> 0:57:22.160 That was a major risk for me at the time 0:57:22.160 --> 0:57:23.000 to buy that company. 0:57:23.720 --> 0:57:26.600 I couldn't afford to do it for nefarious reasons to go, Like, 0:57:26.760 --> 0:57:29.360 just from a financial standpoint, that doesn't. 0:57:29.080 --> 0:57:29.880 Make any sense. 0:57:30.720 --> 0:57:34.480 I needed her to be successful for me to take 0:57:34.520 --> 0:57:38.920 that risk. There's nothing nefarious about it, there's nothing. I 0:57:39.600 --> 0:57:42.120 don't know what she was told, but the monster if 0:57:42.160 --> 0:57:43.760 she ever wanted to sit in front of me, the 0:57:43.800 --> 0:57:45.400 monster doesn't exist, and she'd. 0:57:45.160 --> 0:57:46.120 Be met with kindness. 0:57:46.520 --> 0:57:49.360 I just wish that it didn't take such a toll 0:57:49.400 --> 0:57:51.960 on my family, with all the people that were activated 0:57:52.000 --> 0:57:54.120 by that stuff, because there were. 0:57:54.400 --> 0:57:56.160 It was a very tough time for us. 0:57:56.440 --> 0:57:58.280 Because there's a lot of people out there that don't 0:57:58.360 --> 0:58:00.280 understand and they hear this stuff and they take it 0:58:00.320 --> 0:58:03.640 to a level that's really not okay, and I think 0:58:03.680 --> 0:58:07.520 that's dangerous. You said earlier that she helps pay for 0:58:07.560 --> 0:58:08.600 people's college tuition. 0:58:09.040 --> 0:58:10.560 Yeah, good on her. 0:58:11.160 --> 0:58:13.960 I'd rather talk about her doing that than talk about 0:58:14.040 --> 0:58:15.600 her nefarious. 0:58:15.040 --> 0:58:15.680 Reasons with me. 0:58:16.440 --> 0:58:18.560 You think there's a difference between what actually happened and 0:58:18.600 --> 0:58:19.560 what people think happened. 0:58:19.600 --> 0:58:20.240 Yeah, of course. 0:58:21.040 --> 0:58:23.120 So that's ninety nine percent of the things that people 0:58:23.160 --> 0:58:25.360 read on the internet. But at the same time, that's 0:58:25.400 --> 0:58:29.440 the whole lesson of self work. You can't define yourself 0:58:29.480 --> 0:58:32.080 by what everyone else thinks. Especially people that don't know you. 0:58:33.200 --> 0:58:36.200 That's the gift of being in the public eye, because 0:58:36.840 --> 0:58:39.040 when you're not in the public eye, you can maybe 0:58:39.160 --> 0:58:41.320 hide it a little bit more, But when you're in 0:58:41.320 --> 0:58:43.720 the public eye, it's so much easier to be misunderstood, 0:58:44.200 --> 0:58:47.160 and you better go deep inside yourself to figure that 0:58:47.200 --> 0:58:50.040 part out. But you're talking about someone who doesn't know me, 0:58:50.160 --> 0:58:52.040 and I don't know them, so why would I wish 0:58:52.040 --> 0:58:52.480 them ill? 0:58:53.600 --> 0:58:56.960 You helped make so many other people famous. What surprised 0:58:57.000 --> 0:58:59.680 you the most when your name was in the headlines 0:59:00.000 --> 0:59:01.800 surprised you about how you reacted. 0:59:02.880 --> 0:59:05.160 It was the first time that I had ever had 0:59:05.200 --> 0:59:10.920 any negative press. What surprised me is how overnight everything 0:59:11.000 --> 0:59:14.840 I had done before didn't matter. What surprised me is 0:59:14.840 --> 0:59:18.280 how before that I was known for helping people and 0:59:18.280 --> 0:59:23.160 philanthropy and success and all these different things. And what 0:59:23.320 --> 0:59:26.960 surprised me was like, the next day, all of that 0:59:27.040 --> 0:59:29.320 was out the window. You were defined by this one moment. 0:59:29.360 --> 0:59:33.320 That's what it felt like, and what a gift, best 0:59:33.360 --> 0:59:37.240 gift ever, because that was when I started the lesson 0:59:37.280 --> 0:59:41.919 of learning that all the praise that I thrived on before. 0:59:42.520 --> 0:59:43.280 Wasn't real either. 0:59:43.840 --> 0:59:46.120 That's why I told you earlier, the praise wasn't deserved 0:59:46.160 --> 0:59:48.840 and the hate wasn't deserved because none of these people 0:59:48.880 --> 0:59:50.160 knew me, and at that point in my life, I 0:59:50.200 --> 0:59:54.200 really didn't know myself. So the hate forced me between 0:59:54.240 --> 0:59:57.520 that and losing my marriage, which had completely nothing to 0:59:57.520 --> 1:00:00.640 do with that, something completely different, and there were rumors 1:00:00.640 --> 1:00:04.240 about that, but like that was just all of that 1:00:04.320 --> 1:00:06.640 led me to wanting to go to a deeper place. 1:00:06.640 --> 1:00:08.400 And it's the reason I'm doing a podcast with you. Like, 1:00:08.400 --> 1:00:11.440 I'm almost annoyed that we're talking about this. I think 1:00:11.480 --> 1:00:13.120 you can understand. I don't want to talk about it. 1:00:13.160 --> 1:00:14.360 I understand you're doing your job. 1:00:14.440 --> 1:00:15.160 I do have two more. 1:00:16.040 --> 1:00:16.680 We'll see. 1:00:17.080 --> 1:00:19.840 But what I can tell you, like as we joke 1:00:19.880 --> 1:00:22.480 about it, what I really hope comes out of this 1:00:22.640 --> 1:00:26.440 is that someone goes damn, like I'm gonna forget all 1:00:26.480 --> 1:00:29.080 that noise and maybe look in word. You know, That's 1:00:29.120 --> 1:00:31.680 what I really hope, I sik, somebody realizes that like 1:00:32.080 --> 1:00:34.520 everything you need is and self love. And I know 1:00:34.560 --> 1:00:37.640 that sounds cheesy and cliche, but it is so true. 1:00:39.080 --> 1:00:40.360 Now she's about to take me with two more. 1:00:43.120 --> 1:00:44.480 Have you talked to your kids about it? 1:00:44.960 --> 1:00:46.120 I had to at this point. 1:00:46.480 --> 1:00:48.200 My kids were really young then, but my oldest is 1:00:48.240 --> 1:00:51.480 ten and someone said something very mean to him at school. 1:00:52.040 --> 1:00:53.680 But the beautiful thing is I didn't have to talk 1:00:53.680 --> 1:00:55.440 that much because my kids know who their dad is. 1:00:56.240 --> 1:00:59.120 You mentioned a rumor about your marriage. There's been a 1:00:59.120 --> 1:01:02.919 lot of rumors with Taylor. There's lyrics in vigilante shit. 1:01:03.160 --> 1:01:06.440 I hate cursing, but in vigilante shit she writes and sings. 1:01:07.000 --> 1:01:08.920 She needed cold heart proof, so I gave her some. 1:01:09.080 --> 1:01:11.160 She had the envelope. Where do you think she got 1:01:11.200 --> 1:01:11.640 it from? 1:01:12.080 --> 1:01:13.000 Go ahead, keep going. 1:01:13.160 --> 1:01:15.480 Now she gets the house, gets the kids, gets the pride. 1:01:15.480 --> 1:01:18.640 Picture me thick as thieves with your ex wife? Ex wife? 1:01:19.120 --> 1:01:20.840 Did you ever think these were about you? 1:01:20.880 --> 1:01:23.439 No, because I talk to el every day. My ex 1:01:23.440 --> 1:01:26.480 wife is one of my best friends. So me and 1:01:26.520 --> 1:01:28.720 my ex wife laugh about that stuff. We don't even 1:01:28.760 --> 1:01:31.240 call each other X. That's like my partner, you know. 1:01:31.280 --> 1:01:33.400 That's the mother of my children. That is my family 1:01:33.440 --> 1:01:36.439 for life. I have a tattoo on my finger that's 1:01:36.440 --> 1:01:39.200 the same team after my divorce because she and I 1:01:39.240 --> 1:01:40.720 are same team for life. It's what we say to 1:01:40.720 --> 1:01:43.800 each other. So no, I never thought that was about us. 1:01:44.000 --> 1:01:46.600 She never thought it was about us and everyone else. 1:01:46.680 --> 1:01:48.040 Kind of feeding into the fire. 1:01:48.680 --> 1:01:53.360 Great strategy move, but like, Nah, can we talk about 1:01:53.400 --> 1:01:53.920 your divorce? 1:01:54.360 --> 1:01:56.320 Yeah? Sure, I'll decide if I want to answer. 1:01:57.360 --> 1:02:01.400 So you seem so fueled by success at least in 1:02:01.640 --> 1:02:05.360 your pre Hoffman life. Did you see divorce as a failure. 1:02:05.800 --> 1:02:06.280 At the time. 1:02:06.400 --> 1:02:09.040 Yeah, No one in my family had ever been divorced. 1:02:09.840 --> 1:02:12.800 And at that time I had built up this foundation 1:02:12.880 --> 1:02:15.560 of Scooter because I didn't think Scott was strong enough. 1:02:15.600 --> 1:02:16.479 I didn't know that yet. 1:02:17.080 --> 1:02:20.880 So having the perfect career, the perfect wife, the perfect life, 1:02:20.920 --> 1:02:23.240 the kids, the success, I thought. 1:02:23.040 --> 1:02:24.200 That made me worthy of love. 1:02:24.880 --> 1:02:28.520 And it wasn't until our marriage came apart and I 1:02:28.520 --> 1:02:32.480 couldn't fix it. I felt like a failure because I 1:02:32.520 --> 1:02:35.440 didn't have a foundation. But it was the greatest thing 1:02:35.480 --> 1:02:36.320 that ever happened to me. 1:02:37.120 --> 1:02:39.920 Because the ups. 1:02:39.760 --> 1:02:42.240 And downs of artist's life, the tailor stuff, none of 1:02:42.280 --> 1:02:43.360 that actually affected me. 1:02:44.720 --> 1:02:46.120 Losing my marriage affected me. 1:02:46.920 --> 1:02:49.160 The idea of not being with my kids fifty percent 1:02:49.160 --> 1:02:52.720 of the time deeply affected me so much so that 1:02:53.000 --> 1:02:56.440 October twenty twenty, when I didn't really even understand what 1:02:56.480 --> 1:02:57.120 was going on. 1:02:58.120 --> 1:03:00.240 I had a suicidal thought at the height of my. 1:03:00.120 --> 1:03:03.840 Career for twenty minutes wow, because my marriage falling apart. 1:03:04.000 --> 1:03:05.240 No one really knew. I knew. 1:03:05.240 --> 1:03:09.080 I couldn't understand why, and I was like, man if 1:03:09.080 --> 1:03:10.920 I can't be the father to them and you know 1:03:11.040 --> 1:03:13.240 this life, I felt like I didn't want to be there. 1:03:13.920 --> 1:03:15.760 And after that twenty minutes went by, I was like, 1:03:15.800 --> 1:03:17.480 what the hell was that? That was really scary. I 1:03:17.560 --> 1:03:20.760 never want to feel like that ever again. And then 1:03:21.000 --> 1:03:23.000 the next day I actually opened up to a friend 1:03:23.000 --> 1:03:25.880 and he recommended Hoffmann and I went. 1:03:25.920 --> 1:03:26.680 Two weeks later. 1:03:27.560 --> 1:03:30.960 The same day, Arianna was releasing Dangerous Woman. But I 1:03:31.040 --> 1:03:33.680 just decided, you've done it this way for so long 1:03:33.720 --> 1:03:35.040 and look what it got you. 1:03:35.040 --> 1:03:37.720 You know, this deep depression. Now you've got to choose 1:03:37.760 --> 1:03:38.280 something else. 1:03:38.400 --> 1:03:42.400 And October twenty sixth I went into the Haffin process 1:03:42.440 --> 1:03:47.040 and started healing and got to this beautiful place where 1:03:47.680 --> 1:03:53.080 here I am six years later. Before, never divorced, no 1:03:53.120 --> 1:03:55.360 one ever said anything negative about me, and the press 1:03:55.520 --> 1:03:57.520 there was, everything online was very beautiful. 1:03:57.720 --> 1:04:00.880 There's nothing negative. Later I'm divorced. 1:04:00.960 --> 1:04:04.680 People talk about me constantly and I couldn't be happier. 1:04:05.280 --> 1:04:07.520 I wouldn't trade it in a million years, The relationship 1:04:07.560 --> 1:04:09.400 I have with my children, the relationship I have with 1:04:09.440 --> 1:04:09.960 my friends. 1:04:10.880 --> 1:04:14.920 Do I wish you know? Do you wish? Like you know? 1:04:15.040 --> 1:04:17.840 Certain things didn't happen because they were painful, absolutely, but 1:04:17.920 --> 1:04:19.040 they were so necessary. 1:04:19.880 --> 1:04:22.760 That must be weird though, when your insides don't match 1:04:22.800 --> 1:04:24.360 the outside. 1:04:24.480 --> 1:04:26.440 I didn't know because I didn't know how to be present. 1:04:26.440 --> 1:04:28.240 So I always kept moving because. 1:04:27.960 --> 1:04:30.640 I thought like, that's how other people, that's how I 1:04:30.640 --> 1:04:32.920 deserve love. And when I finally had to slow down 1:04:33.040 --> 1:04:36.440 because I couldn't control it anymore, I broke. I had 1:04:36.440 --> 1:04:38.480 no foundation, and that's when I had to put myself 1:04:38.520 --> 1:04:41.520 back together, and other people helped me. And Hoffin didn't 1:04:41.520 --> 1:04:44.560 fix me, but it started fixing me. And it started 1:04:44.600 --> 1:04:47.720 me on a journey to like study breathwork and study meditation, 1:04:47.840 --> 1:04:50.880 and do therapy and study stoicism and study kabbala and 1:04:50.920 --> 1:04:53.840 study all these different things that I'm still doing every 1:04:53.840 --> 1:04:56.800 single day today. You asked me about like being flawed, 1:04:56.840 --> 1:04:59.720 I'm still flawed. I'm still battling every single day. 1:05:00.080 --> 1:05:00.600 Do you battle? 1:05:01.520 --> 1:05:01.680 You know? 1:05:01.680 --> 1:05:04.320 There's this book Many Lives, Many Masters by Brian Weiss, 1:05:04.400 --> 1:05:06.760 one of my favorite books, and it's this idea of 1:05:06.800 --> 1:05:08.560 past lives, and one of the things. 1:05:08.360 --> 1:05:11.080 He talks about, you're life past life. 1:05:11.080 --> 1:05:14.200 It's more this idea that he says, you're here to learn, 1:05:14.400 --> 1:05:16.600 and usually when you go, it's because there's nothing more. 1:05:16.520 --> 1:05:17.080 For you to learn. 1:05:17.680 --> 1:05:20.560 The reason why I jump out of planes, like learning 1:05:20.600 --> 1:05:22.479 I jump learn how to jump solo for my forty 1:05:22.480 --> 1:05:25.919 second birthday, or like I'll go swim with sharks, it's 1:05:25.960 --> 1:05:27.960 because I know that I'm so screwed up and I'm 1:05:27.960 --> 1:05:29.560 still trying to learn every day that I really don't 1:05:29.560 --> 1:05:32.120 think it's my time to go because that book. So 1:05:33.120 --> 1:05:36.640 I believe I'm flawed like everyone else, because I still 1:05:36.720 --> 1:05:39.720 feel resistance. I still have moments where I'm like, oh, 1:05:39.760 --> 1:05:41.720 the ego wants to win, or I'm hurt, or I'm angry, 1:05:41.880 --> 1:05:45.200 or I'm disappointed or I'm like hurt by someone, and 1:05:45.280 --> 1:05:47.360 I'm always trying to go towards it because that's where 1:05:47.360 --> 1:05:51.520 the good stuff is. And as long as I keep 1:05:51.560 --> 1:05:53.640 having that resistance and keep having that hurt and keep 1:05:53.680 --> 1:05:55.600 having that struggle, I know I'm still in it. 1:05:56.400 --> 1:05:58.120 So I choose to it. 1:05:58.320 --> 1:06:00.840 When does that trigger come up randomly? 1:06:00.960 --> 1:06:04.640 Sometimes it's a friend you know, is celebrating something and 1:06:04.680 --> 1:06:06.840 you see it online and you're like, was there a 1:06:06.880 --> 1:06:09.760 reason I wasn't, Like, like, you know, it's it could 1:06:09.760 --> 1:06:10.960 be on the other side of the country and you 1:06:11.000 --> 1:06:14.200 just feel like left out or something, or your insecurities 1:06:14.240 --> 1:06:15.840 make you think you have to do with something that 1:06:15.880 --> 1:06:17.000 has nothing to do with you. 1:06:17.680 --> 1:06:20.800 I'm more personal or professional for you. 1:06:20.120 --> 1:06:23.400 Personal, yeah, but it's also like the slightest thing of 1:06:23.480 --> 1:06:26.120 like sometimes it's an old thing that you think you 1:06:26.120 --> 1:06:29.280 were past and someone brings up an old wound and 1:06:29.320 --> 1:06:30.760 you were like, damn, I thought I was past that. 1:06:30.800 --> 1:06:32.360 But okay, I'm not. Let's keep working on this. 1:06:32.800 --> 1:06:35.040 And luckily I talked to a therapist once a week, 1:06:35.120 --> 1:06:37.600 which I never did when I was younger, and she 1:06:37.840 --> 1:06:41.120 keeps me extremely accountable. She calls me on my bullshit. 1:06:41.160 --> 1:06:42.760 She goes, no, you're dealing with that. I know you are, 1:06:43.360 --> 1:06:47.400 and I'm really grateful for her hit me with. 1:06:47.360 --> 1:06:47.800 The next time. 1:06:47.880 --> 1:06:53.680 No, there there's really none my I mean personally, I'm curious. 1:06:53.680 --> 1:06:54.960 I don't know if you want to talk about this, 1:06:55.080 --> 1:06:58.440 but like Hive has since bought what is it called 1:06:58.480 --> 1:07:02.280 quality Control Music, so like you've since bought other people's Masters, 1:07:03.520 --> 1:07:06.720 and there's no headlines and no issues, so it didn't 1:07:06.720 --> 1:07:09.080 scare you away from it. Do you feel like there 1:07:09.200 --> 1:07:12.160 is like a legal moral way to do it that 1:07:12.200 --> 1:07:12.720 it doesn't work? 1:07:12.920 --> 1:07:13.080 Sure? 1:07:13.200 --> 1:07:14.600 I think on this side of my career, I think 1:07:14.640 --> 1:07:17.360 there's lots of things I realize about the laws of 1:07:17.400 --> 1:07:20.160 the music industry that don't make sense, you know, And 1:07:20.160 --> 1:07:21.840 I won't even talk from a master's point of view. 1:07:21.880 --> 1:07:25.040 I think masters is you get what you negotiate in 1:07:25.040 --> 1:07:26.880 the music business. It's kind of like the Wahwah West, 1:07:27.400 --> 1:07:31.080 and Masters is a way that major labels feel comfortable 1:07:31.200 --> 1:07:35.000 investing in artists because they don't participate in publishing. So 1:07:35.040 --> 1:07:38.360 by owning masters or participating in Masters, it gives them 1:07:38.760 --> 1:07:41.760 a reason to take a big risk and a chance 1:07:42.480 --> 1:07:45.480 on emerging artists and helping you break like that's the 1:07:45.480 --> 1:07:46.280 reward that they're. 1:07:46.080 --> 1:07:46.600 Signing up for. 1:07:47.400 --> 1:07:49.400 I'll give you an example though, on the publishing side 1:07:49.640 --> 1:07:52.320 that I disagree with and I actually wish it would change, 1:07:52.360 --> 1:07:55.280 and I've been a part of the problem in the past. Songwriters, 1:07:55.800 --> 1:07:58.400 I think that they're the most underpaid people in our industry. 1:07:58.960 --> 1:08:01.960 I think that they're for the melodies and the stories 1:08:02.000 --> 1:08:06.400 that we love. They're unseen and they're not rewarded the 1:08:06.400 --> 1:08:09.520 way they should. And I think that one of the 1:08:09.560 --> 1:08:12.720 problems when you're majing a major artist is unless that 1:08:12.920 --> 1:08:15.600 artist has a piece of the publishing, there's no way 1:08:15.640 --> 1:08:18.439 for the artists to protect their rights. So, for example, 1:08:18.479 --> 1:08:20.360 if an artist doesn't own a piece of the publishing, 1:08:20.800 --> 1:08:22.560 you can take the lyrics of their hit song and 1:08:22.600 --> 1:08:24.080 you can sell t shirts without. 1:08:23.800 --> 1:08:26.280 Them with any design you want because you own the publishing. 1:08:27.160 --> 1:08:29.679 But that doesn't protect the integrity of the artist's brand, 1:08:29.960 --> 1:08:32.880 or the design work, or all the thoughtfulness they went 1:08:32.880 --> 1:08:35.439 into creating their merch and protecting everything that they've worked 1:08:35.439 --> 1:08:39.000 hard on. But the only way to protect that artist 1:08:39.520 --> 1:08:43.280 is by demanding a piece of something that is a 1:08:43.400 --> 1:08:48.120 very small revenue stream that those songwriters need. I think 1:08:48.120 --> 1:08:50.360 that there should be a way to protect the performer 1:08:50.920 --> 1:08:53.599 and the rights of the performer while not taking away 1:08:53.840 --> 1:08:56.679 from the revenue stream of the songwriters. And that's something 1:08:56.680 --> 1:08:59.240 that I'd love to see happen and something that I 1:08:59.280 --> 1:09:01.960 realize now in this part of my career that while 1:09:02.000 --> 1:09:04.839 I was protecting my clients, I might not have always 1:09:04.920 --> 1:09:07.840 been doing the right thing by the songwriters because I 1:09:08.720 --> 1:09:11.400 was doing my job. But what I'd like to do 1:09:11.439 --> 1:09:13.120 on this side, if anyone want to advocate, I'd be 1:09:13.200 --> 1:09:15.040 right there with them, saying the laws need to be 1:09:15.120 --> 1:09:17.920 changed where you don't need to cut into someone's revenue 1:09:17.920 --> 1:09:19.519 stream to do the right thing by the performer. 1:09:19.880 --> 1:09:23.160 But even with labels, as much as it is true 1:09:23.200 --> 1:09:25.680 that they're taking all the risk, they're putting all the 1:09:25.720 --> 1:09:28.920 money up up front, they don't have anything without the artists. 1:09:28.920 --> 1:09:32.000 And all these young artists now like Chapel Rone just 1:09:32.000 --> 1:09:35.559 talked about it at the Grammys, they're like starting to 1:09:35.640 --> 1:09:38.720 wave their hands saying this isn't right, like the labels. 1:09:38.880 --> 1:09:40.040 I don't know how else to say it, but the 1:09:40.120 --> 1:09:41.760 labels like just have them. 1:09:42.120 --> 1:09:42.720 Look. 1:09:42.800 --> 1:09:44.720 I think there's things about it that are wrong, and 1:09:44.760 --> 1:09:46.720 then there's things about it where, you know, how many 1:09:46.800 --> 1:09:49.280 artists who aren't successful are asking the label to keep 1:09:49.280 --> 1:09:52.479 investing millions of dollars in them when it's not worked yet, right, 1:09:53.000 --> 1:09:55.080 you know? So, I think there's always two sides of 1:09:55.080 --> 1:09:58.799 that coin. That sometimes the artist in their individual situation 1:09:58.920 --> 1:10:01.760 is spot on, But then what do you tell the 1:10:01.800 --> 1:10:03.840 other artists where you're saying, well, because they said this, 1:10:03.920 --> 1:10:06.599 I no longer have the revenue to take a chance 1:10:06.640 --> 1:10:09.360 to break your next favorite artist, you know. I think, 1:10:09.760 --> 1:10:12.639 like any business that needs to grow, it needs to change. 1:10:12.680 --> 1:10:15.360 There also needs to be stop fighting against technology and 1:10:15.439 --> 1:10:18.880 understanding technology can bring us new revenue streams that can 1:10:18.960 --> 1:10:21.760 change our business. I think people come really hard at 1:10:21.800 --> 1:10:23.799 Spotify and they're like, oh, they're not paying us correctly, 1:10:23.800 --> 1:10:26.439 But they also forget that if it wasn't for Daniel Leck, 1:10:27.000 --> 1:10:29.640 we wouldn't have the music industry value we have today. 1:10:29.720 --> 1:10:32.400 He saved a dying industry. He took a risk, and 1:10:32.400 --> 1:10:35.360 people are mad that he's done so well. But at 1:10:35.360 --> 1:10:38.679 the same time, if it wasn't for him and streaming 1:10:38.720 --> 1:10:41.360 and what Spotify did, we wouldn't be having in the 1:10:41.360 --> 1:10:44.160 revenue that we have right now. So it's always it's 1:10:44.200 --> 1:10:46.080 easy to kind of point fingers back and forth. I 1:10:46.120 --> 1:10:48.120 think it's better if we find ways to work together 1:10:48.960 --> 1:10:52.160 to create more more prosperity for everyone. 1:10:52.400 --> 1:10:55.599 Well, to your point, with streaming and so many independent labels, 1:10:55.600 --> 1:10:57.120 you artists need big labels anymore? 1:10:57.160 --> 1:10:58.559 I think it really depends on the case. 1:10:58.960 --> 1:11:01.479 I think sometimes a big a big label can use 1:11:01.520 --> 1:11:04.640 its power and its its strategy and boots on the 1:11:04.640 --> 1:11:07.000 ground around the world to actually make a difference for you. 1:11:07.280 --> 1:11:09.439 And sometimes you're able to break through using the internet 1:11:09.439 --> 1:11:12.439 and you can do you know, a distribution deal, And 1:11:13.360 --> 1:11:15.879 you know, I really think it depends on your needs. 1:11:16.240 --> 1:11:18.120 You know, some types of acts don't need a lot 1:11:18.120 --> 1:11:21.000 of money to tour or do things. Other acts need 1:11:21.040 --> 1:11:23.679 a tremendous amount of money to develop the music, videos, 1:11:23.720 --> 1:11:26.839 the strategy, the development every act is different. 1:11:27.120 --> 1:11:27.880 And I think that. 1:11:29.520 --> 1:11:33.559 You know, pointing fingers at each other while others make 1:11:33.640 --> 1:11:36.240 money off of all of us is not necessarily the 1:11:36.240 --> 1:11:37.040 most productive thing. 1:11:37.560 --> 1:11:39.799 What do you think about the TikTok isation of music? 1:11:41.000 --> 1:11:43.639 Too old? I mean, that's honestly the truth. 1:11:43.680 --> 1:11:45.120 I think when other people are coming on, they're like, 1:11:45.120 --> 1:11:46.519 what is this, and like, I'm getting to that age 1:11:46.520 --> 1:11:49.040 where I'm like, I don't understand the TikTok Like it's 1:11:49.160 --> 1:11:52.479 I'm too old, Like I'm not native to the technology anymore. 1:11:53.000 --> 1:11:57.040 So the same way my dad discovered vinyl, I discovered 1:11:57.120 --> 1:12:00.519 DJ Clu mixtapes. And you know, some kids today is 1:12:00.520 --> 1:12:03.439 discovering on TikTok. The one thing that has remained constant 1:12:03.560 --> 1:12:07.360 is the love of discovery of music. So I'm not 1:12:07.400 --> 1:12:09.759 going to bad mouth how a kid discovers music today 1:12:09.800 --> 1:12:11.439 because that's their generation. 1:12:12.240 --> 1:12:15.599 But artists are making music for TikTok. Do you remember 1:12:15.640 --> 1:12:19.120 in the Instagram era, everybody thought that Drake would make 1:12:19.200 --> 1:12:21.800 these songs just so we would all have Instagram captions. 1:12:22.280 --> 1:12:24.000 And whether that's true or not, I don't know. 1:12:24.120 --> 1:12:26.160 I don't think all artists make songs for TikTok. I 1:12:26.200 --> 1:12:30.320 think artists, like art, take different mediums and date different 1:12:30.360 --> 1:12:32.559 types of art. So what I mean by that is 1:12:33.640 --> 1:12:36.519 there are some artists who are still making albums, there 1:12:36.520 --> 1:12:38.920 are other artists who are focused on singles, then there 1:12:38.960 --> 1:12:41.599 are artists who are focusing on TikTok. I think people 1:12:41.720 --> 1:12:44.240 make art specifically for the art they want to make, 1:12:44.960 --> 1:12:47.760 and we seem to judge it based on who makes 1:12:47.800 --> 1:12:51.040 the most revenue. That's been the biggest issue for me, 1:12:51.160 --> 1:12:52.120 not just with music. 1:12:51.920 --> 1:12:52.519 Across the board. 1:12:52.560 --> 1:12:56.639 Why are bachelor and bachelorette lists based on network and 1:12:56.680 --> 1:12:59.439 not kindness or you know, not even like if the 1:12:59.439 --> 1:13:01.760 person's a try active anymore. It's just like, seriously, it's 1:13:01.760 --> 1:13:02.880 like how much how rich are they? 1:13:03.320 --> 1:13:04.800 You know? And I think, what are you talking about? 1:13:04.840 --> 1:13:06.320 Bachelor and bachelorette. 1:13:05.800 --> 1:13:08.240 Lists Like when we look at them, like when you 1:13:08.280 --> 1:13:11.200 see the most eligible bachelors in the world, Oh, okay, 1:13:11.240 --> 1:13:13.320 you know they'll be like showing their net worth. 1:13:13.800 --> 1:13:14.559 Oh yeah. 1:13:14.600 --> 1:13:16.599 And I think that we've gotten women's beauty. 1:13:16.600 --> 1:13:19.160 It's like women's It's. 1:13:18.680 --> 1:13:19.880 So to me. 1:13:20.600 --> 1:13:25.160 What's interesting about AI if it really does take away 1:13:25.200 --> 1:13:25.599 a lot of. 1:13:25.600 --> 1:13:27.240 Jobs and does replace a lot of things. 1:13:29.040 --> 1:13:31.599 We've been a generation, the generation before us that's defined 1:13:31.600 --> 1:13:32.280 by what we do. 1:13:32.840 --> 1:13:34.800 The next generation might need to be defined by who 1:13:34.800 --> 1:13:35.120 they are. 1:13:37.080 --> 1:13:43.200 Interesting because if you get a lot of people who 1:13:43.200 --> 1:13:45.400 have more time on their hands, there's possibly like an 1:13:45.800 --> 1:13:47.040 artistic renaissance. 1:13:47.479 --> 1:13:49.800 Either artistic renaissance or we're gonna have to deal with 1:13:49.840 --> 1:13:52.120 ourselves and not just be defined with what we do. 1:13:53.160 --> 1:13:55.360 I don't know. Shakespeare says idle hands are the devil's 1:13:55.360 --> 1:13:55.960 play things. 1:13:57.120 --> 1:13:58.120 We're gonna find out. 1:13:59.800 --> 1:14:01.719 Okay, at the height of it, how many calls. 1:14:01.960 --> 1:14:03.920 I hope it's an artistic renaissance, like you said, and 1:14:04.000 --> 1:14:05.040 not idle hands. 1:14:05.240 --> 1:14:08.639 I hope so too. I think if AI, we don't 1:14:08.640 --> 1:14:10.599 have a great track record in America, but if AI 1:14:10.720 --> 1:14:12.840 gets into the right hands. 1:14:12.640 --> 1:14:14.479 Well, it seems to be in all our hands, especially 1:14:14.520 --> 1:14:17.320 with all the open source and everything that's happening. But look, 1:14:17.360 --> 1:14:19.240 the world's going to change drastically in the next couple 1:14:19.240 --> 1:14:21.200 of years, and we always seem a way of. 1:14:21.200 --> 1:14:23.160 Figuring it out and going on a new journey. And 1:14:23.200 --> 1:14:23.760 I think that. 1:14:25.439 --> 1:14:28.120 There's going to be a lot of opportunity for experience 1:14:28.439 --> 1:14:32.240 and art and it's going to be an interesting world in. 1:14:32.080 --> 1:14:34.880 The next ten to fifteen years, if not sooner. 1:14:35.280 --> 1:14:39.320 At the height of your managerial career, how many calls 1:14:39.320 --> 1:14:40.599 were you making a day? 1:14:40.800 --> 1:14:43.439 Oh, it is all day emails, calls all day, like 1:14:43.439 --> 1:14:44.320 more than three hundred. 1:14:44.680 --> 1:14:48.639 Yeah, probably like over a thousand emails in texta day. 1:14:49.800 --> 1:14:51.360 And were you a zero in box guy? 1:14:51.520 --> 1:14:52.280 Yeah? 1:14:52.400 --> 1:14:53.679 How did you do it at nighttime? 1:14:54.960 --> 1:14:57.200 It was funny my assistant with jokereg in like two 1:14:57.280 --> 1:14:58.800 three in the morning. It was just like, this is 1:14:58.960 --> 1:15:00.519 just because I'd be answering everything. 1:15:01.640 --> 1:15:07.040 Wow, a scooter. What's it been like to work this hard? 1:15:13.280 --> 1:15:20.080 I've never been asked that. I don't think I knew 1:15:20.120 --> 1:15:20.760 any other way. 1:15:21.479 --> 1:15:25.200 For a really long time, the more interesting question has 1:15:25.240 --> 1:15:29.679 been what is it like to work different? The last 1:15:29.760 --> 1:15:34.920 couple of years learning how to be present, it's less 1:15:34.920 --> 1:15:37.760 a question of what to feel like to work that hard, 1:15:39.040 --> 1:15:43.640 and how nice it is now to be here. I 1:15:43.640 --> 1:15:46.200 don't think I knew how to be here. I think 1:15:46.240 --> 1:15:47.880 I knew how to live in the future. I think 1:15:47.920 --> 1:15:50.320 I knew how to prepare, pare for every single moment. 1:15:50.880 --> 1:15:54.519 I knew how to always be on getting ready, getting ready, 1:15:54.560 --> 1:15:57.960 getting ready, And that made me really good at business. 1:15:58.200 --> 1:16:00.479 But you took a breath when I said that. Tailed 1:16:01.200 --> 1:16:05.360 why because. 1:16:05.040 --> 1:16:08.240 I've learned how to exhale. That's the reason. 1:16:08.640 --> 1:16:12.240 It's when you're working so hard before, you. 1:16:12.160 --> 1:16:13.920 Don't know how to breathe. You don't know how to 1:16:13.960 --> 1:16:15.400 take a moment. You don't know how to not look 1:16:15.400 --> 1:16:19.160 at your phone. You're so afraid of what you're building, 1:16:19.479 --> 1:16:23.200 not working. It's like my grandparents' Holocaust survivors. Like you said, 1:16:23.200 --> 1:16:25.599 it was a lot of Holocaust trauma. Like tomorrow they're 1:16:25.600 --> 1:16:26.120 gonna come and. 1:16:26.040 --> 1:16:31.439 Take it all away. Yeah, And the last couple of years, 1:16:31.439 --> 1:16:32.559 the pain of the last. 1:16:32.400 --> 1:16:35.320 Couple of years forced me to learn how to be 1:16:35.400 --> 1:16:38.920 here and learn how to take a breath. And that 1:16:39.040 --> 1:16:43.280 has been really nice because the closest thing I can 1:16:43.320 --> 1:16:44.719 relate to that is being a kid. 1:16:46.000 --> 1:16:46.760 Is like being a kid. 1:16:46.680 --> 1:16:49.599 Who's riding a bike around his neighborhood, a kid who 1:16:49.640 --> 1:16:54.599 liked the ThunderCats and was silly and had fun and 1:16:54.680 --> 1:16:59.000 didn't have a phone yet. And it was a lot 1:16:59.040 --> 1:17:01.559 more joyous than I was in my adult years. And 1:17:01.600 --> 1:17:02.960 I've got that back then you. 1:17:02.920 --> 1:17:05.200 Had the playfulness though, like I mean, maybe it was 1:17:05.320 --> 1:17:07.160 just on Instagram, but. 1:17:07.120 --> 1:17:09.040 I don't know. I did. 1:17:09.080 --> 1:17:11.880 But I was afraid of tomorrow. I didn't know how 1:17:11.880 --> 1:17:14.160 to be here today. And so my friends feel like 1:17:14.160 --> 1:17:16.680 you haven't changed where They're like, now you're back. I 1:17:16.680 --> 1:17:18.360 didn't know how to be vulnerable. I didn't know how 1:17:18.400 --> 1:17:21.599 to like tell that, you know, what was really happening 1:17:21.640 --> 1:17:21.880 with me. 1:17:22.040 --> 1:17:22.360 I was. 1:17:24.120 --> 1:17:29.639 I was protecting all the time, and now I'm a mess, 1:17:30.080 --> 1:17:31.280 just like you. It's fine. 1:17:31.920 --> 1:17:32.920 Did you shed people? 1:17:33.760 --> 1:17:36.120 Yeah, but I think that happens naturally. I don't really 1:17:36.200 --> 1:17:39.200 like shedding anybody, Like I'm just not built. They my 1:17:39.200 --> 1:17:41.760 friends actually say it's a problem, but I just think 1:17:41.800 --> 1:17:43.839 you get to a point where you realize it's okay. 1:17:44.160 --> 1:17:47.599 Like and I changed in a week, so I actually, 1:17:47.640 --> 1:17:50.040 at the same time shed people, I also know that 1:17:50.080 --> 1:17:51.640 they can change in a week and we could be 1:17:51.640 --> 1:17:54.240 friends all over it again, you know. So I give 1:17:54.280 --> 1:17:56.479 people the benefit it out the same way I'd want them. 1:17:56.320 --> 1:17:56.760 To do for me. 1:17:57.200 --> 1:18:00.640 Yeah, okay, I was reading an article you and there 1:18:00.680 --> 1:18:04.120 was a blind quote and they said he's a good 1:18:04.120 --> 1:18:07.760 guy and can be ruthless in business. What's it like 1:18:07.800 --> 1:18:08.639 to hear me say. 1:18:08.439 --> 1:18:10.639 That that's their opinion? 1:18:11.479 --> 1:18:12.200 Is it true? 1:18:13.000 --> 1:18:17.840 I think that in my opinion, everyone who's ever. 1:18:17.720 --> 1:18:20.760 Done a deal with me has made a multiple I've 1:18:20.800 --> 1:18:21.960 never lost money for anyone. 1:18:22.000 --> 1:18:23.160 I've never screwed anybody. 1:18:23.760 --> 1:18:25.160 I take a lot of pride in the fact that, 1:18:25.360 --> 1:18:27.000 especially in his town, there are not many people that 1:18:27.040 --> 1:18:30.200 can say that every investor they had did well, every 1:18:30.240 --> 1:18:31.240 partner we had did well. 1:18:31.360 --> 1:18:32.960 That I'm still doing deals with those partners. 1:18:33.160 --> 1:18:36.920 I'll never apologize for fighting for our worth and some 1:18:36.960 --> 1:18:39.320 people might have found that that be a tough negotiator, 1:18:40.040 --> 1:18:42.160 but I always believe both sides can win, and in 1:18:42.200 --> 1:18:44.839 the end we got there and being great an entrepreneur. 1:18:45.280 --> 1:18:48.479 Jeff Bezos says, you better expect to be misunderstood, and 1:18:48.520 --> 1:18:50.559 I'm okay with that. So when I hear it, I 1:18:50.560 --> 1:18:52.320 don't take any offense to it because that might have 1:18:52.400 --> 1:18:54.360 been their experience. But you know what they said, The 1:18:54.400 --> 1:18:57.000 most important thing I thought, I was good guy. So 1:18:57.000 --> 1:18:58.320 that's sweet, that's nice to them. 1:18:58.400 --> 1:19:00.559 I'm glad you didn't ignore that part at at all. 1:19:01.160 --> 1:19:03.600 So someone you've done a few deals with said to me, 1:19:03.760 --> 1:19:06.880 Scooters able to determine what people want in a situation 1:19:06.960 --> 1:19:10.400 more than anyone. You wrote on Instagram that you like 1:19:10.720 --> 1:19:13.240 in meetings to ask people what their greed is? What 1:19:13.400 --> 1:19:18.560 do they want? Are you always cognizant of people's desires 1:19:18.880 --> 1:19:20.680 in your interactions with them? 1:19:21.439 --> 1:19:21.639 Yes? 1:19:21.720 --> 1:19:25.840 And it also makes things easier because people misunderstand the 1:19:25.840 --> 1:19:29.680 word greed. They think you know it's a dirty word 1:19:30.160 --> 1:19:33.200 because it's usually the thing that you feel shameful to say. 1:19:33.840 --> 1:19:35.760 But it's usually the thing I need to know to 1:19:35.800 --> 1:19:40.000 make the right deal. Sometimes greed is money. Sometimes greed 1:19:40.080 --> 1:19:42.320 is fame. Sometimes greed is I want to spend more 1:19:42.360 --> 1:19:44.880 time with my kids. Sometimes greed is I want to 1:19:44.920 --> 1:19:48.160 be seen for who I am. Sometimes greed is I 1:19:48.200 --> 1:19:50.519 want to make sure this charity I love makes money. 1:19:51.000 --> 1:19:52.960 You never know what the greed is, but if. 1:19:52.840 --> 1:19:57.120 Someone can just say it and stop hiding it, you 1:19:57.160 --> 1:20:00.240 can build a deal that works for everybody you know. 1:20:00.439 --> 1:20:04.720 And so for me, I try to push people to 1:20:04.720 --> 1:20:07.240 feel comfortable enough to say what they actually want, so. 1:20:07.160 --> 1:20:09.240 We can make a deal that works for everybody. 1:20:09.680 --> 1:20:13.160 And it served you. Yeah, you said, you asked Jeff 1:20:13.160 --> 1:20:14.599 Bezos that what did he say? 1:20:15.240 --> 1:20:18.519 Asked him what what his greed was? I never asked 1:20:18.560 --> 1:20:19.559 him that. I probably should. 1:20:20.439 --> 1:20:23.400 I asked him what he wanted. I didn't ask the 1:20:23.400 --> 1:20:25.200 greed question, but I said, what do you want? 1:20:25.439 --> 1:20:25.719 Yeah? 1:20:25.760 --> 1:20:28.400 And I here, I was looking at someone who I admired, 1:20:28.439 --> 1:20:32.720 who is misunderstood. You know, someone who has provided more 1:20:32.840 --> 1:20:37.719 jobs for this country than any person alive today. Someone 1:20:37.720 --> 1:20:40.679 who provided more jobs in covid than anybody. Someone who 1:20:40.760 --> 1:20:43.760 changed the minimum wage at the corporate level when the 1:20:43.760 --> 1:20:47.120 federal government wouldn't. He did, and other companies followed and 1:20:47.200 --> 1:20:49.639 changed into fifteen dollars because he said, we can actually 1:20:49.640 --> 1:20:53.720 do this. Someone who's built made trillions of dollars of 1:20:53.760 --> 1:20:56.720 wealth for other people, not just himself, but also as 1:20:56.760 --> 1:20:59.080 one of the most commercially successful people individually in the world. 1:20:59.360 --> 1:21:02.080 And I got to ask him, you know, what do 1:21:02.120 --> 1:21:04.160 you want? And he looked at me and he said, 1:21:04.160 --> 1:21:06.920 I want to evolve. I want to be more vulnerable. 1:21:06.960 --> 1:21:09.240 I want to be a better partner, I want to 1:21:09.240 --> 1:21:10.920 be a better father, I want to be a better friend, 1:21:11.680 --> 1:21:13.719 and I thought to myself, I don't need two hundred 1:21:13.760 --> 1:21:16.479 billion dollars to start that, and I felt like it 1:21:16.560 --> 1:21:18.479 was a cheat code. And I'm the reason I don't 1:21:18.560 --> 1:21:20.160 like to tell stories about certain people in my life. 1:21:20.160 --> 1:21:21.880 But I feel proud to tell that. 1:21:21.800 --> 1:21:24.800 Story about him because I hope more people hear it, 1:21:25.400 --> 1:21:29.040 because no one needs that level of wealth to start 1:21:29.080 --> 1:21:29.639 that journey. 1:21:30.560 --> 1:21:33.640 You seem really passionate about people doing self work. Is 1:21:33.680 --> 1:21:36.320 it because you feel so much better now? 1:21:37.240 --> 1:21:37.439 Yes? 1:21:38.560 --> 1:21:42.200 And I don't want them to be in the place 1:21:42.240 --> 1:21:45.280 that I was to start it. I had plenty of 1:21:45.320 --> 1:21:47.920 people who loved me trying to tell me to start 1:21:47.960 --> 1:21:51.840 self work, and I just didn't turn off the rat race. 1:21:52.840 --> 1:21:54.360 I said, I don't need that. Look at the whole 1:21:54.400 --> 1:21:55.280 world is telling. 1:21:55.040 --> 1:21:58.200 Me I'm great, So I'm great, and I refuse to 1:21:58.240 --> 1:22:00.720 hear that little voice inside of me that was like, 1:22:01.400 --> 1:22:03.400 come get me, we should start this. 1:22:04.360 --> 1:22:07.080 And I only started when I was in deep pain. 1:22:07.880 --> 1:22:10.080 So I talk about it a lot now because I 1:22:10.080 --> 1:22:12.920 don't wish that pain on anybody. And it's such an 1:22:12.960 --> 1:22:14.800 easy thing to start, and you don't have to be 1:22:14.800 --> 1:22:16.439 in pain to do so, so I kind of wish 1:22:16.439 --> 1:22:17.920 people start it before they get to. 1:22:17.840 --> 1:22:18.559 The place I was in. 1:22:19.160 --> 1:22:21.439 I'm sorry you were in so much pain, you know what. 1:22:21.479 --> 1:22:22.800 I'm here now, so it's all good. 1:22:24.800 --> 1:22:28.080 What do you want moving forward? What's your agreed? 1:22:29.080 --> 1:22:31.919 I want people to stop asking me about past dramas. 1:22:33.960 --> 1:22:36.519 Maybe after this interview we can put it to bed. 1:22:36.439 --> 1:22:39.680 And maybe I would love that. Honestly, what do you 1:22:39.720 --> 1:22:40.200 really want? 1:22:41.439 --> 1:22:43.960 Like, no podcast answered, what do you actually want? 1:22:44.240 --> 1:22:46.200 I would like to build something that I could share 1:22:46.240 --> 1:22:46.920 with my children. 1:22:47.840 --> 1:22:48.880 Interesting, I'd like. 1:22:48.840 --> 1:22:51.680 To build something next that if they said, Dad, can 1:22:51.680 --> 1:22:55.479 we come do this with you? There's enough space for 1:22:55.520 --> 1:22:56.960 them to not only do it with me, but find 1:22:57.000 --> 1:22:59.800 themselves in it as well. And I could share my 1:22:59.840 --> 1:23:02.800 care creativity with them, Like if they wanted to do 1:23:02.800 --> 1:23:04.439 more of the business side, I could share that with them. 1:23:04.479 --> 1:23:06.280 Like I would like to do something that. 1:23:06.240 --> 1:23:08.000 If they choose to do their own thing, that's great, 1:23:08.040 --> 1:23:11.599 But if if there was an opportunity that they wanted 1:23:11.600 --> 1:23:13.160 to kind of do something with their dad. 1:23:13.240 --> 1:23:14.200 That would be a lot of fun. 1:23:15.720 --> 1:23:18.559 You shared a lot of stories with me today about 1:23:18.680 --> 1:23:21.960 like a more Fati and Marcus Aurelius, and you seem 1:23:22.000 --> 1:23:25.760 to have these sort of like ASoP fables in you. 1:23:25.760 --> 1:23:28.920 You post some of them on Instagram. I'm wondering why 1:23:28.960 --> 1:23:32.160 being a storyteller is important to you or why stories 1:23:32.200 --> 1:23:32.680 matter to you. 1:23:35.160 --> 1:23:36.000 Does they have meaning? 1:23:37.080 --> 1:23:37.880 Is that how you learn? 1:23:39.200 --> 1:23:39.680 I think so. 1:23:40.360 --> 1:23:42.280 I think you learned from your own experiences, but I 1:23:42.280 --> 1:23:44.360 think you can learn a lot from stories. I think 1:23:44.400 --> 1:23:47.720 I loved always reading stories about great people to kind 1:23:47.720 --> 1:23:49.760 of like have cheat codes. Like the story Jeff gave me, 1:23:49.800 --> 1:23:51.960 that's a cheat code. Yeah, you know, here's someone who 1:23:52.000 --> 1:23:54.599 has all that and that's what they're looking for. 1:23:54.640 --> 1:23:57.240 That's a cheat code. Like great stories are a cheat code. 1:23:57.320 --> 1:24:02.160 Like my favorite story in the scripture was like two 1:24:02.200 --> 1:24:05.559 weeks ago in a parsha and like it's a cheat code, 1:24:06.000 --> 1:24:07.360 it's the story, Like do you. 1:24:07.400 --> 1:24:10.360 Know who actually parted the Red Sea? Who do you 1:24:10.400 --> 1:24:11.880 think Moses? 1:24:12.080 --> 1:24:15.040 People think Moses part of the Red Sea. Moses didn't 1:24:15.080 --> 1:24:15.800 part the Red Sea? 1:24:16.600 --> 1:24:21.120 Pharaoh, Nope. So the real story, I'm gonna go biblical 1:24:21.120 --> 1:24:21.320 on you. 1:24:22.120 --> 1:24:25.639 The real story is the Egyptians were coming and they're 1:24:25.680 --> 1:24:30.120 going to kill everybody, and everyone's freaking out, and Aaron 1:24:30.160 --> 1:24:33.080 and Moses are standing up there saying God says, trust him, 1:24:33.120 --> 1:24:35.880 go into the sea, and the sea is like choppy 1:24:35.880 --> 1:24:37.960 as hell. The current's crazy, like people go in, You're 1:24:37.960 --> 1:24:41.360 gonna die, and they're like Moses wants us to commit suicide, 1:24:41.400 --> 1:24:44.040 like this is We're not doing that. And Aaron's brother 1:24:44.080 --> 1:24:46.519 in law's name was not Sewan. He was the head 1:24:46.560 --> 1:24:48.960 of the tribe of Judah. He was this regular dude 1:24:49.000 --> 1:24:51.320 who was like the leader of his family. Something came 1:24:51.360 --> 1:24:54.639 over him and God said trust me and not shown 1:24:54.720 --> 1:24:57.439 not Moses walked into the sea and his family started 1:24:57.479 --> 1:24:59.880 screaming like, don't do this, You're gonna die, and it 1:25:00.000 --> 1:25:02.880 it wasn't until his mouth and his nose went under 1:25:02.920 --> 1:25:06.800 the water that God parted the sea. And it's like 1:25:06.800 --> 1:25:09.040 one of my favorite stories ever of this idea of 1:25:09.120 --> 1:25:12.920 trust and in life it's not until you go into 1:25:12.960 --> 1:25:16.200 a place that is unreasonable, into a place of danger. 1:25:17.520 --> 1:25:19.599 That shows up. 1:25:20.400 --> 1:25:22.280 And I love that story because that's like one of 1:25:22.320 --> 1:25:25.799 the greatest gifts. It's a cheat code of like that's life, 1:25:26.320 --> 1:25:29.240 you know, like success and failure live next door each other. 1:25:29.280 --> 1:25:31.040 You have to go into the resistance, you have to 1:25:31.080 --> 1:25:33.599 go into the fear, and it isn't until you put 1:25:33.600 --> 1:25:36.880 yourself into a place of unreasonable danger that usually the 1:25:36.920 --> 1:25:39.799 miracles happen, and I really like stories. 1:25:41.120 --> 1:25:42.040 That was a great one. 1:25:42.240 --> 1:25:44.360 Thanks, Oh it's not mine. 1:25:45.760 --> 1:25:49.280 I'm curious when you felt the closest to that fear 1:25:49.320 --> 1:25:51.240 and success. I mean, I've heard you talk about with 1:25:51.280 --> 1:25:53.679 Bieber like you were basically down in your last dollar 1:25:53.800 --> 1:25:57.559 at Asher and justin Yeah, but is there anything later 1:25:57.640 --> 1:25:59.720 in your career where it felt that way, Like were 1:25:59.720 --> 1:26:01.559 you really felt like you were taking a big risk? 1:26:02.240 --> 1:26:05.240 My life change after that where I'll admit it, like 1:26:06.880 --> 1:26:09.320 I have the luck of not being in that financial 1:26:09.320 --> 1:26:10.880 position ever again after that. 1:26:11.200 --> 1:26:13.559 But yeah, Like I think, it's not just about finance. 1:26:13.600 --> 1:26:14.800 It's about all aspects of your life. 1:26:14.840 --> 1:26:18.679 It's about going towards When I did the self work 1:26:18.680 --> 1:26:21.679 for the first time, I was lost and I went 1:26:21.760 --> 1:26:23.639 in to do something that was so out of character, 1:26:23.760 --> 1:26:27.439 that was so surrender, which I never did before. And 1:26:27.520 --> 1:26:31.920 it wasn't until I put myself in surrender in a 1:26:31.920 --> 1:26:35.600 place of being vulnerable in front of strangers that I 1:26:35.640 --> 1:26:38.719 started to actually have the healing and the miracles take place. 1:26:39.240 --> 1:26:41.400 So I can talk about it from a business standpoint, 1:26:41.400 --> 1:26:43.280 but the most powerful in my life has actually been 1:26:45.360 --> 1:26:48.920 you know, understanding that I'm not completely in control and 1:26:48.960 --> 1:26:52.800 that I've actually been taking care of Most of us 1:26:52.840 --> 1:26:55.519 have been taking care of our whole lives. So, for example, 1:26:55.520 --> 1:26:59.520 if you mind I ask you a question. Sure, okay, 1:26:59.560 --> 1:27:03.160 what if you had a friend your entire life who 1:27:03.320 --> 1:27:06.880 every single time, every single time you've got in a 1:27:06.960 --> 1:27:08.840 bad position where you didn't think you were gonna make it, 1:27:08.960 --> 1:27:11.599 that friend showed up and said, I will take care 1:27:11.640 --> 1:27:15.639 of it. And now you're this age and you're back 1:27:15.680 --> 1:27:18.200 in that position where it's the worst it's ever been. 1:27:18.880 --> 1:27:20.479 You feel like it's the worst it's ever been, and 1:27:20.520 --> 1:27:23.960 like you cannot control it. It's gonna fall apart, You're screwed. 1:27:24.320 --> 1:27:26.040 And this friend comes to you and goes, Okay, listen, 1:27:26.040 --> 1:27:28.479 this one need you to do. I've earned this. I 1:27:28.520 --> 1:27:31.360 need you to completely trust me. You have no control 1:27:31.360 --> 1:27:33.760 of the situation. I need you completely surrender and I'll 1:27:33.760 --> 1:27:35.840 fix it. Could you do it? 1:27:36.520 --> 1:27:36.880 Yeah? 1:27:37.000 --> 1:27:37.439 You really? 1:27:37.760 --> 1:27:38.240 Yeah. 1:27:38.600 --> 1:27:40.080 I'm proud of you because most people are going to 1:27:40.120 --> 1:27:42.360 be like complete control, like, yeah, the friend can help me, 1:27:42.400 --> 1:27:44.800 but like I'm talking, you're not even allowed to know. 1:27:44.880 --> 1:27:47.040 You have to just say I trust and fall back. 1:27:47.720 --> 1:27:48.120 Yeah. 1:27:48.200 --> 1:27:51.200 Okay, I'm really proud because you're an evolved person. 1:27:51.160 --> 1:27:53.880 In some ways to me, that's the universe. 1:27:53.560 --> 1:27:54.000 That's God. 1:27:54.320 --> 1:27:56.400 Like, how many times have all of us in our life. 1:27:56.479 --> 1:27:58.960 If you're at an age of like over twenty, over thirty, 1:27:59.040 --> 1:28:01.479 you've already had enough like experienced that There's been so 1:28:01.479 --> 1:28:04.639 many points in your life, Yeah, where you thought there's 1:28:04.680 --> 1:28:06.360 just no getting out of this, so many of them 1:28:06.360 --> 1:28:09.240 that you've forgotten at this point because they've been healed 1:28:09.280 --> 1:28:10.560 since where you thought it was the end of the 1:28:10.560 --> 1:28:12.960 world and it's far years later and you've removed. 1:28:13.479 --> 1:28:17.160 And every single time steps up. 1:28:17.800 --> 1:28:19.280 So now I got to a point in my life 1:28:19.280 --> 1:28:21.080 where it was like, okay, cool, you think you've been 1:28:21.080 --> 1:28:23.000 controlling this, but I've actually been the one helping you 1:28:23.040 --> 1:28:24.960 the whole time, So can you just fall back and 1:28:25.040 --> 1:28:27.960 let me help you? And I finally gone and got 1:28:28.000 --> 1:28:29.320 to the point and I work on that every day 1:28:29.320 --> 1:28:32.040 because you say, yeah, I'm still working on full surrender. 1:28:32.360 --> 1:28:33.800 I'm not there yet. You're better than me. 1:28:34.439 --> 1:28:38.080 No, not full. But the caveat is had I not been, 1:28:38.520 --> 1:28:42.280 had I not had those moments, I couldn't have said yes. 1:28:42.680 --> 1:28:44.400 Well, I think we've all had those moments, and I'm 1:28:44.439 --> 1:28:45.760 still not able to say fully yes. 1:28:45.800 --> 1:28:47.400 It's the thing I'm working on every day. 1:28:47.880 --> 1:28:50.799 That's really interesting. I'm shocked to hear. 1:28:50.680 --> 1:28:54.320 That I'm better at it, but like, because. 1:28:54.080 --> 1:28:56.160 You had to surrender your whole life. 1:28:56.439 --> 1:28:59.599 Yes, but I still struggle with it because it's scary. 1:29:00.320 --> 1:29:02.120 Yeah, I'm so much better than it was. But it's 1:29:02.160 --> 1:29:04.559 scary every single time because what if they're not going 1:29:04.600 --> 1:29:07.040 to be there? But they've proven you know, God, universe 1:29:07.080 --> 1:29:08.320 has proven me a thousand times. 1:29:08.320 --> 1:29:11.240 It is Yeah, that's called faith, and I think I'm 1:29:11.280 --> 1:29:12.080 still working on that. 1:29:13.479 --> 1:29:15.080 Is there anyone in your life who has like, really 1:29:15.160 --> 1:29:18.360 really beautiful faith that you admire, that you look to. 1:29:19.200 --> 1:29:21.360 My mom does really believe in the goodness in people. 1:29:22.200 --> 1:29:25.639 Obviously it will change that they get older, but because 1:29:25.680 --> 1:29:27.320 of my kids are still kids, I get. 1:29:27.200 --> 1:29:27.840 To see it in them. 1:29:28.880 --> 1:29:31.559 You've been behind some of the most iconic careers of 1:29:31.600 --> 1:29:35.519 the last fifteen years. When someone asks your eldest son 1:29:35.760 --> 1:29:37.519 what his father does, what do you. 1:29:37.520 --> 1:29:40.920 Hope he says, he's Jagger's dad. 1:29:41.880 --> 1:29:46.920 I have some rapid fire questions for you, something that 1:29:46.960 --> 1:29:49.360 really scares you whatever. 1:29:49.400 --> 1:29:51.160 The first that was health for my family. 1:29:51.960 --> 1:29:53.720 The biggest misconception about. 1:29:53.479 --> 1:29:56.960 You that I control everything and I'm a crazy man. 1:30:00.000 --> 1:30:02.160 Wish you knew when you started out in the music 1:30:02.200 --> 1:30:07.080 industry that I don't control shit. What's a risk you're 1:30:07.080 --> 1:30:08.720 glad you took even if it didn't work out. 1:30:09.760 --> 1:30:10.200 I tried. 1:30:11.400 --> 1:30:12.040 What does that mean? 1:30:12.479 --> 1:30:13.639 I just got out there and tried. 1:30:14.520 --> 1:30:15.519 Do you believe in karma? 1:30:15.960 --> 1:30:18.800 Yes, but in a way that it's teaching you, never 1:30:18.840 --> 1:30:21.000 hurting you say more. 1:30:22.120 --> 1:30:22.879 I think karma. 1:30:23.640 --> 1:30:25.639 I believe that like all of us are on our journey, 1:30:25.640 --> 1:30:27.800 and I think karma's there to give us corrections, never 1:30:27.840 --> 1:30:28.439 to hurt us. 1:30:28.720 --> 1:30:31.240 It's always to teach us. I like that. 1:30:33.200 --> 1:30:34.719 What's something everyone should try once? 1:30:36.640 --> 1:30:39.160 The first thing that came to mind with skydiving, But 1:30:39.160 --> 1:30:41.040 I don't know if that's a good idea. 1:30:41.160 --> 1:30:43.240 I can't. If you were a tree, what kind of 1:30:43.240 --> 1:30:43.840 tree would you be? 1:30:44.880 --> 1:30:45.639 Oka and olive? 1:30:46.920 --> 1:30:49.240 Something that you've changed your mind about recently, or an. 1:30:49.160 --> 1:30:53.400 Orange tree i'd like to give people. Yeah, yeah, probably 1:30:53.400 --> 1:30:54.000 an orange. 1:30:53.800 --> 1:30:57.479 Tree, just like lasting fruit. Yeah, something you've changed your 1:30:57.520 --> 1:30:58.360 mind about recently. 1:31:00.000 --> 1:31:01.599 One thing I've changed my mind about recently. 1:31:03.360 --> 1:31:05.559 I was doing like a really healthy diet and yesterday 1:31:05.560 --> 1:31:07.880 I was like, screw this, I want that cookie. So 1:31:07.920 --> 1:31:09.600 I changed my mind about the diet yesterday and I 1:31:09.720 --> 1:31:10.400 ate the cookie. 1:31:10.800 --> 1:31:13.040 Okay, a book that changed your life, something you think 1:31:13.080 --> 1:31:14.000 everybody should read. 1:31:14.479 --> 1:31:17.280 Many Lives, Many Masters, that's a really good one. 1:31:18.120 --> 1:31:20.160 You grab the question Everything card game and pick a 1:31:20.240 --> 1:31:23.839 card which everyone speaks to you this is the one. 1:31:23.800 --> 1:31:27.200 Or you're okay. What's your superpower? 1:31:27.800 --> 1:31:30.520 Oh? 1:31:31.320 --> 1:31:33.920 I think I try to see people. Yeah, I think 1:31:34.000 --> 1:31:39.160 my superpower is I think sometimes superpowers can hurt you, 1:31:39.520 --> 1:31:42.120 and that's a good thing. So I think my superpower 1:31:42.240 --> 1:31:46.759 is deep down, I really just want everyone to be okay. 1:31:48.439 --> 1:31:50.439 That's my superpower. I get people to benefit of the doubt. 1:31:50.479 --> 1:31:54.080 I actually just want I don't like conflict with people 1:31:54.560 --> 1:31:57.040 like I. I want everyone to be okay. I want 1:31:57.040 --> 1:32:00.719 people to get along. And I think even when people 1:32:00.720 --> 1:32:03.600 are treating you know, even when my friends think I 1:32:03.600 --> 1:32:05.439 shouldn't be like that, I'd rather be that way. 1:32:07.360 --> 1:32:10.040 That's interesting because usually what we give people is what 1:32:10.080 --> 1:32:11.120 we need most. 1:32:11.960 --> 1:32:12.200 Yeah. 1:32:13.880 --> 1:32:18.120 See, I just want to be okay and understood. Maybe 1:32:18.200 --> 1:32:19.559 this is a great therapy session. 1:32:20.479 --> 1:32:23.400 Music takes Okay, these are gonna be fun. An album 1:32:23.439 --> 1:32:24.200 you listen to No. 1:32:24.200 --> 1:32:29.280 Skips Lauren Hill Miseducational larn Hill Usher Confessions. 1:32:29.320 --> 1:32:31.120 Another one No Skips that's a good one too. 1:32:31.720 --> 1:32:33.880 Okay, Three albums to listen to for the rest of 1:32:33.920 --> 1:32:35.200 your life. 1:32:35.479 --> 1:32:38.439 One I just named, well, I'll name other ones. Three 1:32:38.439 --> 1:32:39.679 albums the rest of your life. 1:32:40.120 --> 1:32:41.880 Tribe. God, that's so hard. 1:32:42.120 --> 1:32:46.840 I know, albums rest of your life just because you 1:32:46.880 --> 1:32:49.320 know named my kid after Sticky Fingers by the Stones 1:32:50.680 --> 1:32:54.160 and Born to Run or Springsteen. 1:32:55.680 --> 1:32:58.120 Obama would agree with you. AI good or bad for 1:32:58.160 --> 1:32:59.000 the music industry. 1:33:00.439 --> 1:33:02.000 I think things of all of them. When we fight them, 1:33:02.000 --> 1:33:02.639 we get in trouble. 1:33:02.680 --> 1:33:05.400 So could Spotify or Apple Music. 1:33:07.240 --> 1:33:09.479 I'm a fan of both companies, but I have been 1:33:09.560 --> 1:33:12.240 a long term supporter and shareholder of Spotify, and I 1:33:12.240 --> 1:33:13.200 think what Daniel. 1:33:12.920 --> 1:33:14.000 Did is remarkable. 1:33:15.120 --> 1:33:16.960 Who's an artist we should all have our eye on? 1:33:18.960 --> 1:33:22.679 Scarlet Opera first CD or tape? You ever bought? 1:33:27.000 --> 1:33:29.960 Kevin Campbell the single Round and Round. 1:33:31.040 --> 1:33:33.680 A song you wish you had discovered? Oh excuse me, 1:33:33.720 --> 1:33:35.960 a singer you wish you had discovered or managed? 1:33:35.960 --> 1:33:38.639 First? I mean alive or dead? 1:33:38.640 --> 1:33:41.839 And you're saying, yeah, an artist you wish you had managed. 1:33:42.840 --> 1:33:44.200 I don't ever want to manage again. 1:33:44.640 --> 1:33:47.479 But in the past, is there ever someone that you 1:33:47.520 --> 1:33:50.080 really wanted on your roster that you never got I'm good. 1:33:50.120 --> 1:33:51.840 I had a great run. I'm good. 1:33:52.080 --> 1:33:54.559 That's my answer to the question, like I don't have 1:33:54.600 --> 1:33:56.479 that wish anymore. I had an amazing run, I had 1:33:56.520 --> 1:34:00.400 an incredible management career. I'm good, and I think everyone 1:34:00.439 --> 1:34:01.800 was with the person they're supposed to be. 1:34:03.560 --> 1:34:07.880 Yeah, peace, love and happy endings. Okay, an artists, people 1:34:07.880 --> 1:34:12.879 would be surprised that you love George Benson a concert 1:34:12.880 --> 1:34:18.840 that blew your mind, Michael Jackson bad an artist that 1:34:18.920 --> 1:34:22.640 you think is still underrated even after all their success. 1:34:22.600 --> 1:34:23.280 Tory Kelly. 1:34:24.320 --> 1:34:29.680 I agree. I also put Mario in there, Miguel. 1:34:30.560 --> 1:34:33.880 But I just I'm saying Tori toy. I've worked with Tory. 1:34:34.000 --> 1:34:35.800 I think she's one of the most remarkable voices of 1:34:35.840 --> 1:34:39.479 all time. And you talk about underrated Tory. 1:34:39.320 --> 1:34:42.000 Kelly lyric that lives rent free in. 1:34:41.960 --> 1:34:46.240 Your head, cooler than a polar bear's toenails. Oh hell, 1:34:46.240 --> 1:34:50.640 there he goes again, talking that shit scooter, thank you 1:34:51.840 --> 1:34:53.720 or I'm from Jamaica, Queens where I beat you up 1:34:53.720 --> 1:34:54.320 and take your jeans. 1:34:54.320 --> 1:34:55.599 I always thought that was a funny line. 1:35:00.680 --> 1:35:03.840 Okay, you know what time it is, Today's a good day. 1:35:04.080 --> 1:35:06.400 To have a good day. I'll see you next week,