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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody, we just watched that major presidential debate. Emily
Speaker 2: unfortunately had to step away, but three of us will
Speaker 2: hold down the ford.
Speaker 3: I'll be extra loud, all right, double the analysis.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's not a problem for me, but in general,
Speaker 2: certainly something some major moments. We've got a couple of
Speaker 2: clips and other things that we can break down for everybody.
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Speaker 2: But before we get to that, and even to some
Speaker 2: of the clips, why don't we just give our general impressions.
Speaker 3: Chrystal, what do you.
Speaker 1: Think came in wanting to make this a referendum on Trump,
Speaker 1: and she succeeded. Yes, she basically called every shot in
Speaker 1: terms of what the topics, what the focus would be,
Speaker 1: what he would have to respond to. She maintained an
Speaker 1: affect of laughing in his face and rolling her eyes.
Speaker 1: He was pissed off and angry almost from the jump.
Speaker 1: And so, you know, I think for her this was
Speaker 1: about as good a performance as possible. She was well
Speaker 1: prepared and took it seriously and took him seriously. And
Speaker 1: I don't think that he took her seriously. And it
Speaker 1: showed he you know, he took the bait on every look,
Speaker 1: whether it was his rallies or his indictments, or even
Speaker 1: the Central Park five or his net worth that he
Speaker 1: inherited from his dad. He was chasing after every single
Speaker 1: ball that she was throwing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me pick up on that, because I think
Speaker 2: this is a really key point, and it's one where
Speaker 2: I'm already and see amongst our right wing audience, the
Speaker 2: ones that remain and others, is there is a tremendous
Speaker 2: amount of outrage about the moderators and about ABC. And
Speaker 2: I think we'll talk about this about how the fact
Speaker 2: that these moderators did interject multiple times to quote unquote
Speaker 2: fact check Trump. Many of the questions were frankly ridiculous
Speaker 2: in my opinion, Like Tamo, if you ever met with Putin,
Speaker 2: it was like, come on, what are we doing? Okay,
Speaker 2: let's put that aside. Complaining about moderators is cope when
Speaker 2: your candidate also did. You had multiple opportunities where you
Speaker 2: took the bait, where you whiffed on the best answers,
Speaker 2: where Kamala what I want to pick up on from
Speaker 2: what you said, was totally in control every single time.
Speaker 2: It was her worst issue. She puts a little bit
Speaker 2: of bait in there that Trump is going to pick
Speaker 2: up on, and he runs with it. The border section
Speaker 2: was infuriating to me watching and waiting. This is a
Speaker 2: This is the part where Trump is leading against Harris
Speaker 2: as much as Harris is leading Trump on abortion.
Speaker 3: I haven't even mentioned Trump's disastrous abortion PA.
Speaker 4: We yeah, we got that.
Speaker 3: We will have that company as well. But actually that's
Speaker 3: a perfect example.
Speaker 2: When I put them side by side on the abortion one,
Speaker 2: Trump is all over the place giving the worst answers
Speaker 2: humanly possible. All the stuff that she's tried to do previously,
Speaker 2: none of it has worked. He doesn't try and bag
Speaker 2: Kamma or move the direction. Kama brings up a border
Speaker 2: the very first, the first border question, she.
Speaker 3: Starts talking about his rally size.
Speaker 2: Now we're litigating rallies during the damn border section and
Speaker 2: then during every single other one, which was very good
Speaker 2: for Kama or sorry, very good for Trump, any issue area.
Speaker 2: Kamala lays as much bait in there as possible, and
Speaker 2: Trump takes it, and he takes it and he whiffs it.
Speaker 2: He validates every concern that she drops of. He only
Speaker 2: cares about himself by litigating his rally size instead of
Speaker 2: talking about the border and litigating his inheritance, instead of
Speaker 2: talking about well, I don't even remember that about.
Speaker 1: Her flip fluffing, ye, So that you're right, that's what
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 3: It was about cracking and flipbloff for me. And I'm
Speaker 3: sitting here losing my mind being like, dude, what are
Speaker 3: you doing?
Speaker 2: And so, in general, yes, we're the moderator's biased. Yeah
Speaker 2: I think so, But you know you're just going to
Speaker 2: come across as a whiny baby, you know, only focusing
Speaker 2: on that when you went into this, you voluntarily accepted
Speaker 2: and honestly worse. Even within that bad framework, they gave
Speaker 2: you a chance to shine where you.
Speaker 3: Could have if he wanted to.
Speaker 2: You've been in many you know, bias debates before, and
Speaker 2: he screwed it. I mean, he absolutely whifted on every
Speaker 2: major issue that was best for him.
Speaker 1: I want to get Ryan, but real quick, what that
Speaker 1: reminded me of. Remember the famous Newt Gingridge, Oh course
Speaker 1: moment where John King asked him this question about he
Speaker 1: had like asked his wife for an open marriage while
Speaker 1: she had cancer.
Speaker 4: I mean, it was a horrible thing.
Speaker 1: You did, right, But they open up with this question, right,
Speaker 1: and Newt Gingrich goes in on the moderators and turns
Speaker 1: it into a great moment. If you're Donald Trump, you
Speaker 1: come in knowing the moderators are probably going to be
Speaker 1: asking her easier questions. Might do it be doing a
Speaker 1: little fact check? Trump at the top of his game,
Speaker 1: not only handles that, but turns that into an asset.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a deeply wounded man. Like for him across
Speaker 5: for him not to be able to let anything slide,
Speaker 5: like nothing, even with the presidency in his grasp, the
Speaker 5: depth of insecurity he must feel in whatever soul he
Speaker 5: has inside of him to not just your point is
Speaker 5: exactly right that they're talking about her flip flops, they're
Speaker 5: talking about the border these it's a ninety minute debate.
Speaker 5: These are going to be the rounds where you have
Speaker 5: to score the most amount of points.
Speaker 4: Right, they're all tilted in your favor.
Speaker 5: He's just pummeling her in these rounds. Instead, they're not
Speaker 5: leaving my rally earlier, and they don't even go to
Speaker 5: her rallies. In fact, they're fake, Like she went into
Speaker 5: the fake thing. They're paying AI, fake AI people to
Speaker 5: go to her rallies, and yeah, exactly. Then you're like,
Speaker 5: it's like, what are we even talking about now? I
Speaker 5: don't remember.
Speaker 2: It was actually during the flip flop, during the border section,
Speaker 2: they were litigating Donald Trump's cases.
Speaker 3: Excuse me, because excuse me.
Speaker 1: He took the opening him saying something about bibles to
Speaker 1: be like, let me tell you about criminals this guy
Speaker 1: right here, and of course he goes, you know, all
Speaker 1: in and you know, same thing.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: The January sixth section was also disastrous for him because
Speaker 1: he gets asked the question, he gets asked, He gets
Speaker 1: asked the question, Okay, you said for a long time
Speaker 1: that he won by a landslide. In the past several weeks,
Speaker 1: you said, you know that you lost by whisker, and
Speaker 1: seemed to admit that you lost. No, I didn't admit
Speaker 1: that I was being sarcastic. I won by a lance
Speaker 1: and then good goes in although the core cases and
Speaker 1: they were biased and there was so much evidence. I
Speaker 1: mean again, spending time and energy relitigating one of the
Speaker 1: things people hate about you, No, I mean his the
Speaker 1: other the the other thing about the demeanor of the
Speaker 1: two of them, I think was important as well, because
Speaker 1: you know, some of a lot of this is optics,
Speaker 1: and one of the things we said is she needs
Speaker 1: to maintain this sort of like, you know, rolling her eyes,
Speaker 1: being above the fray, looking down her note, making him small.
Speaker 4: And she did that.
Speaker 1: Her facial expressions were very relaxed. She was the one
Speaker 1: that was having fun at his expense. That's a real
Speaker 1: role reversal. If you think back to how much fun
Speaker 1: he had at Hillary Clinton's expense, how much fun he
Speaker 1: had at Lil Marco's expense, how much fun he had
Speaker 1: at Low Energy Jeb Bush's expense. He was not having
Speaker 1: any fun up there tonight. And you know that's one
Speaker 1: of his comedic his ability to play to an audience,
Speaker 1: play to a crowd, that is his superpower, and that
Speaker 1: was wholly absent to me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I totally did what she That's hard to do
Speaker 5: for her to kind of ridicule him without looking petty
Speaker 5: or like a jerk, Like there's a very fine line
Speaker 5: to walk there, And she didn't really come off as
Speaker 5: a jerk at all, Like she came off as like
Speaker 5: exactly like you said, like she she hit that well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And for.
Speaker 5: People who didn't follow the Lex Friedman interview or didn't
Speaker 5: listen to Lex preopid interview, you know, he's one of
Speaker 5: these guys who is like, I love a lot of
Speaker 5: things about you, but I don't like January sixth. I
Speaker 5: don't like that you challenge the election, and why can't
Speaker 5: you just say that you lost? And clearly either he
Speaker 5: was ready to pan or his advisors were like, please,
Speaker 5: just please, I'm gonna want to ask you about this,
Speaker 5: Please just say you lost and he and he finally says,
Speaker 5: I lost by a whisker, right, And it was absolutely
Speaker 5: not being sarcastic.
Speaker 3: Right, And he was not listen to it.
Speaker 2: I listened to it multiple times genuinely kind of a
Speaker 2: historic moment, and I was like, well, maybe this is
Speaker 2: a new strategy.
Speaker 3: This behind it.
Speaker 2: And then I mean, this is the thing, and you know,
Speaker 2: I'll say this too. JD. Just today did they all
Speaker 2: in summit and they asked him, would you have certified
Speaker 2: the election? He's like, no, I would have had an
Speaker 2: alternate state. I'm like, okay, here we go like he's like,
Speaker 2: this is what we want to do. This is what
Speaker 2: we want to do. This is what we want to
Speaker 2: do two months before the election. Okay, this is this
Speaker 2: is it is what we've decided to go with two
Speaker 2: months before the election. The number one reason why a
Speaker 2: lot of suburban people voted against you in twenty twenty two, right,
Speaker 2: arguably one of the huge hits on him in that race.
Speaker 1: But you need no high I can't really blame JD
Speaker 1: because I think a big part of the reason he
Speaker 1: got the vice presidential gig is because he had said
Speaker 1: that before totally. And there's like like, that's why he's
Speaker 1: in the slot.
Speaker 4: So he's like, this is my job, just sick.
Speaker 2: How about we just don't say it? How about we
Speaker 2: just talk about the border again. We're like, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: that's an interesting thing. We should talk about the board and Trump.
Speaker 2: Trump could have told JD. Look, yeah, I know you've
Speaker 2: said that and I got you on the ticket. Well
Speaker 2: we're done with that.
Speaker 5: We're moving on.
Speaker 2: And another thing is that he inexplicably disavowsed JD Vans,
Speaker 2: who gave him the greatest lay up of all time,
Speaker 2: and he said JD said, yeah, he would veto a
Speaker 2: national abortion maan. So they asked him about it, like, hey,
Speaker 2: JD says, you're going to veto a national abortion ban.
Speaker 2: And he's like, well, in fairness, we hadn't discussed it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: let's keep the door open to what a six percent policy?
Speaker 3: What are we doing here?
Speaker 2: It's like every single level calculation the Trump, the calibration
Speaker 2: was gone. It was the react of Trump, the angry Trump.
Speaker 2: It was totally not in control. I can already guarantee
Speaker 2: you he's just going to complain about the moderators. I
Speaker 2: think it is a high likelihood that he does not
Speaker 2: participate in another debate after what, which would be another
Speaker 2: win for Commala, which would be a massive win for Kamala,
Speaker 2: who has to memorize whunch of scripted baited answers rights
Speaker 2: said boom, Yeah, now you just go rally for two
Speaker 2: more months, maybe do one more bullshit interview with Dana
Speaker 2: Bash and yet you know that that's it.
Speaker 3: So I just can't get over this.
Speaker 5: And I would think some people also probably noticed if
Speaker 5: they're voting on this abortion question, that his two points clash.
Speaker 5: Like he says he really believes that on a moral
Speaker 5: level it should be left to the states, then he
Speaker 5: also won't say that he'd veto a national abortion BD. Right,
Speaker 5: that's not leaving it to the.
Speaker 3: States, that's right.
Speaker 1: It's I don't even really understand why he is sticking
Speaker 1: on this, Like jd. Vance is actually very like what
Speaker 1: he said in the past.
Speaker 4: He actually embraces.
Speaker 3: All the friends yes was.
Speaker 4: On abortion, like yah, yeah, right, So jd.
Speaker 1: Van should be like, no, no, we're good, We're not
Speaker 1: going to and you can't. I genuinely don't understand that,
Speaker 1: especially because he clearly knows he's got a.
Speaker 4: Problem on abortion.
Speaker 1: He clearly, you know, as soon as Roe versus Wade
Speaker 1: was overturned, he knew it was going to be a problem.
Speaker 1: He was all over the place on this floor amendment,
Speaker 1: and it was mess Since we're talking so much about abortion,
Speaker 1: we have a little bit of this exchange, so let's
Speaker 1: go ahead and play it. This is D three guys,
Speaker 1: if we could play a little bit of this exchange
Speaker 1: on abortion.
Speaker 3: You're running me. JD.
Speaker 6: Vance has said that you would veto if it did
Speaker 6: come to your desk.
Speaker 7: Well, I didn't discuss it with JD. In all fairness, JD.
Speaker 7: And I don't mind if he has a certain view,
Speaker 7: but I think you was speaking of me, but I
Speaker 7: really didn't. Look, we don't have to discuss it because
Speaker 7: she'd never be able to get it, just like she
Speaker 7: couldn't get student loans. They couldn't get is that did
Speaker 7: even come close to get any student loans. They taunted
Speaker 7: young people and a lot of other people that had loans.
Speaker 7: They can never get this approved. So it doesn't matter
Speaker 7: what she says about going to Congress. So wonderful, let's
Speaker 7: go to Congress do it. But the fact is that
Speaker 7: for years they wanted to get it out of Congress
Speaker 7: and out of the federal government, and we did something
Speaker 7: that everybody said couldn't be done, and now you have
Speaker 7: a vote of the people on abortion.
Speaker 1: He went on this long tangent too about student loan debt.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know what he's trying to say, which
Speaker 1: is like, Okay, well you claim you're going to codify ROW,
Speaker 1: but you're not going to have the vote sit do it.
Speaker 3: It is an opportunity you actually got through that.
Speaker 4: Couldn't figure out, like he was.
Speaker 5: Saying, posing things, and you won't be able to deliver
Speaker 5: that right.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I would love for Kammel in that
Speaker 1: moment to be like, that's why I'm going to get
Speaker 1: rid of the filibuster so that we can codify roversus way.
Speaker 1: But she, in the section did the polar opposite of
Speaker 1: what Trump did, Like in the border section, which is
Speaker 1: the stronger issue for him, she extended the conversation of abortion.
Speaker 1: She kept going in she kept going in on and
Speaker 1: going back to it, and then he would feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: I got to respond in some kind of a way,
Speaker 1: and so and she brought up visceral examples, and he
Speaker 1: kept saying, you know, oh, everybody wanted this to be done,
Speaker 1: and she said, no, those women who were bleeding out
Speaker 1: in parking lots, they did not want this. The majority
Speaker 1: of the country doesn't want That's why in red state
Speaker 1: after red state they chose freedom. She said, is how
Speaker 1: she framed it. And the other thing that I kept
Speaker 1: thinking about in this section, Bryan, is the way that
Speaker 1: Biden handled the abortion answers in the last debate.
Speaker 4: Do you guys.
Speaker 5: Remember this He's finished by talking about immigrants raping people.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes he did.
Speaker 1: And now Trump is the one who's like, you know,
Speaker 1: bringing up his own worst issues. But yeah, and Biden
Speaker 1: gets asked the abortion question last time and everyone's like,
Speaker 1: all right, oh, this is the layup for him, and
Speaker 1: he starts talking incomprehensibly about an undocumented immigrant raping someone,
Speaker 1: like what what thing?
Speaker 3: Where news here?
Speaker 2: Kamala's campaign will now ask for another debate according to
Speaker 2: the one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would do, you know, I certainly would do.
Speaker 2: After whatever we all hell this witness, I think we
Speaker 2: should talk then about what we've been alluding to is that,
Speaker 2: you know, there's this concept of like frame control, where
Speaker 2: Kamala was just totally in control of the frame constantly.
Speaker 2: So we're talking about the border, Oh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: We're gonna make a little thing about rallies that you're
Speaker 2: going to take, and then oh well, let's also talk
Speaker 2: about you said, migrant crime reminds me of crime because
Speaker 2: you're a criminal and and he's like, wait, no, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not a criminal, you know. And it's like, what
Speaker 2: are we doing? No, you're supposed to be. And actually,
Speaker 2: that's one of Trump's most powerful things is that he
Speaker 2: was always in setting control of the narrative. He was
Speaker 2: somebody who could pivot the discussion where he wanted it
Speaker 2: to go. So we have the perfect example here, guys.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and prepare D four. This is exactly
Speaker 2: where Trump is talking about. Trump has asked a question
Speaker 2: about the border. Kamala's initially asked about the border. In
Speaker 2: her border answer, she gives a rally, a rally com
Speaker 2: We were all sitting here at the desk, and I
Speaker 2: was like, here we go. He's going to take debit
Speaker 2: and then immediately that's what he does. He focuses on himself,
Speaker 2: not on the issue. So D four, let's take a listen.
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you something.
Speaker 6: He's going to talk about immigration a lot tonight, even
Speaker 6: when it's not the subject that is being raised. And
Speaker 6: I'm going to actually do something really unusual, and I'm
Speaker 6: going to invite you to attend one of Donald Trump's
Speaker 6: rallies because it's a really interesting thing to watch. You
Speaker 6: will see during the course of his rallies he talks
Speaker 6: about fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter. He will talk about
Speaker 6: win Mills cause cancer. And what you will also notice
Speaker 6: is that people start leaving his rallies early out of
Speaker 6: exhaustion and boredom. And I will tell you the one
Speaker 6: thing you will not hear him talk about is you.
Speaker 6: You will not hear him talk about your needs, your dreams,
Speaker 6: and your need and your desires.
Speaker 7: First time he responders to the rallies, she said, people
Speaker 7: start leaving. People don't go to her rallies. There's no
Speaker 7: reason to go. And the people that do go, she's
Speaker 7: busting him in and paying them to be there and
Speaker 7: then showing them in a different light, so she can't
Speaker 7: talk about that.
Speaker 3: People don't leave my rallies.
Speaker 7: We have the biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies in
Speaker 7: the history of politics. That's because people want to take
Speaker 7: their country back. Our country is being lost. We're a
Speaker 7: failing nation. And it happened three and a half years ago.
Speaker 7: And what's going on here. You're going to end up
Speaker 7: in World War three. Just to go into another subject,
Speaker 7: what they have done to our country by allowing these
Speaker 7: millions and millions of people to come into our country.
Speaker 7: And look at what's happening to the towns all over
Speaker 7: the United States, and a lot of towns don't want
Speaker 7: to talk. It's not going to be Aurora or Springfield.
Speaker 7: A lot of towns don't want to talk about it
Speaker 7: because they're so embarrassed by it. In Springfield, they're eating
Speaker 7: the dogs the people that came in. They're eating the cats,
Speaker 7: they're eating they're eating the pets of the people that
Speaker 7: live there. And this is what's happening in our country.
Speaker 7: And it's a shame as far as rallies are concerned.
Speaker 7: As far as the reason they go is, they like
Speaker 7: what I say. They want to bring our country back.
Speaker 7: They want to make America great against very simple phrase,
Speaker 7: make America great again. She's destroying this country and if
Speaker 7: she becomes president, this country doesn't have a chance of success.
Speaker 7: Not only success, will end up being Venezuela on steroids.
Speaker 2: That's a perfect example in that you know what we
Speaker 2: just watch. He takes a question about the border, spends
Speaker 2: probably seventy percent of it talking about the rallies in it.
Speaker 2: He also has to bring up a pet hoax at
Speaker 2: least as far as we know right now, about Haitian
Speaker 2: migrants eating pets, and he's not talking about I mean,
Speaker 2: that's the other thing. Why don't we have to do
Speaker 2: with the pets? Lake and Riley? We all know lincln
Speaker 2: Riley's name. You could say that, you could bring up
Speaker 2: any legitimate case of migrant crime, and you're not going
Speaker 2: to get interjected. What the moderator saying, Hey, actually, you know,
Speaker 2: we talked to the city manager or whatever of Springfield
Speaker 2: and then they say that's not true. It's like he
Speaker 2: took the worst decision possible in every single moment there,
Speaker 2: but most importantly, Ris got under his skin and got
Speaker 2: him to with the answer on the border whenever.
Speaker 3: I mean, did he even say borders are I'm trying
Speaker 3: to think.
Speaker 4: I believe one time he said it.
Speaker 2: The moderator instead is that at one saying you, Kamala,
Speaker 2: you were put in charge of the border Trump. It's
Speaker 2: like complete incoherence. If you're watching that and you're a
Speaker 2: normal person who're genuinely concerned about immigration or the border
Speaker 2: or whatever, what did you get.
Speaker 3: Out of that? Yeah, that's the question.
Speaker 5: You have to here quick fact, the immigrants are not
Speaker 5: eating cats. They're actually children who identify as cats.
Speaker 1: Oh no, okay, transgender children in yeah, criminals species.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: See that's the other thing effect that came out in
Speaker 1: a couple of places because like, we knew what the
Speaker 1: fuck he was talking about with the whole pet Haitian
Speaker 1: migrant thing. Because our brains are rotten. We're online way
Speaker 1: too much. There are millions upon millions of Americans at
Speaker 1: home who are like, what are you even talking about?
Speaker 4: In fact, a.
Speaker 1: Someone very close to me who is like not that
Speaker 1: political and definitely not super online, was like, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna make up some shit, at least make it believable,
Speaker 1: you know, like, this is just preposterous and weird.
Speaker 4: Sorry, didn't it.
Speaker 5: Come from a Springfield town meeting?
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 5: Isn't some like super far right wing for a right
Speaker 5: wing lunatic who I have.
Speaker 3: I can tell you the genesis.
Speaker 2: The genesis of it is that there was a Facebook
Speaker 2: post in the Springfield community or whatever, in a group
Speaker 2: on the group it said I hear from my neighbors
Speaker 2: daughters coud. It was like my neighbor's daughter's friends says
Speaker 2: that the Haitians are eating cats or eating pets.
Speaker 3: That's one.
Speaker 2: Two is a viral video. A video goes viral of
Speaker 2: a black woman who was arrested for eating a cat. Okay,
Speaker 2: but it turns out that that video did not take
Speaker 2: place in Springfield, Ohio, and she is an American American,
Speaker 2: she is not hate.
Speaker 1: So it's actually the native born people who are eating.
Speaker 3: The cats out.
Speaker 2: She's probably also she's probably just a drug addict, but okay,
Speaker 2: let's put it that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the genesis.
Speaker 4: There was also a fake photo of a guy a goose.
Speaker 1: Which Columbus, and there was no indication that the man
Speaker 1: was an immigrant, was a member of the Kennedy family.
Speaker 2: I think we should normalize eating geese. But anyway, that's
Speaker 2: a whole separate conversation. I think fish and game rags
Speaker 2: are way too hiding.
Speaker 3: I think we should.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's all these dreamly like greasy, we're such
Speaker 2: a rich country.
Speaker 3: We got these tasty ducks sitting in those ponds for
Speaker 3: put that. I'll put it all aside.
Speaker 1: Anyway, he's so brained, not only then, right that he
Speaker 1: brings up this whole thing that most.
Speaker 4: People, even like won't even know.
Speaker 1: What you're talking about, let alone what Kamala Harris has
Speaker 1: to do with, let alone that it even involves immigrants,
Speaker 1: Like they just have no idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 4: And there are other instances.
Speaker 1: Of that as well, where it's like, oh, when he
Speaker 1: in the rally answer, in that same answer, he's talking
Speaker 1: about these conspiracies, Oh, she's bussing in people, et cetera,
Speaker 1: which again normally people haven't heard of, they don't care about.
Speaker 1: It's just I hadn't even heard that particular conspiracy. He
Speaker 1: refers to the January sixth rioters as J six right,
Speaker 1: which is also very like online lingo, subcultural lngo. And
Speaker 1: you know, I do think that they're like a victim
Speaker 1: of their own success on Twitter, like it's too much
Speaker 1: of a right wing echo chamber and they're drinking too
Speaker 1: much of their own kool aid. They're high on their
Speaker 1: own supply, and they think that this stuff is like legit,
Speaker 1: Lands has national purchase and any most people who are
Speaker 1: at all for grabs in this election are just like,
Speaker 1: I literally don't even know what the fuck you're talking about.
Speaker 4: Right now.
Speaker 5: He has spent so and I was sort of joking
Speaker 5: earlier when I said that getting kicked off of Twitter
Speaker 5: hurt his ability to be in touch with what's going on,
Speaker 5: but not really because instead he was on truth social right,
Speaker 5: and that puts you in a subcultural genre where you
Speaker 5: start using words and talking to people who are just
Speaker 5: nowhere near the median. You're using words that they understand, right,
Speaker 5: but anybody who's not in true social doesn't.
Speaker 2: Got some big news. I had to confirm it before
Speaker 2: I read it. Taylor swift As endorsed Kamala Harris that
Speaker 2: debate she just posted. She says, like many of you,
Speaker 2: I watched the debate tonight. If you haven't already, now
Speaker 2: is a great time to do your research on the
Speaker 2: issues at hand. As a voter, I make sure to
Speaker 2: watch and read everything I can about their propose. Recently,
Speaker 2: I was made aware of AI falsely endorsing Trump was
Speaker 2: posted to a site. It conjured up my fears around
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. I will be casting my vote for
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris and Tim Watson the twenty twenty four election.
Speaker 2: I'm voting for Kamala because she fights for the rights
Speaker 2: and causes I believe.
Speaker 3: I think she steady handed, gifted leader.
Speaker 2: She also posted a picture with her cat cat lady.
Speaker 2: We all knew it was coming, but oh my God,
Speaker 2: with love and hope, Taylor Swift childless cat lady.
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm sure this is real.
Speaker 3: Swear to God.
Speaker 2: That's why I had to be one hundred percent. I
Speaker 2: just went to our Instagram page. I refreshed it. I
Speaker 2: read it right off of it myself.
Speaker 1: Well, this comes right on the heels of our cat conversation.
Speaker 1: So it's a you know, wow, there flip flu how
Speaker 1: they feel about cats they.
Speaker 3: Didn't even is a big one.
Speaker 2: That the tailor thing actually is a big one. I
Speaker 2: mean people have exaggerated it before. The most pop she's like,
Speaker 2: she sends, you know, pop culture is the most famous person.
Speaker 5: Probably the world register.
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, because people register to vote. Now, look,
Speaker 3: you could be right, Crystal.
Speaker 2: I just I'm not discounting it, especially in a row
Speaker 2: row row your vote thing, this whole cat stuff. I mean,
Speaker 2: You've got tens of millions of people who are following her.
Speaker 2: She'll be on tour. I only know this because I'm
Speaker 2: trying to get tickets right before the election in the
Speaker 2: critical battleground states in Miami and indianapol I'm just saying,
Speaker 2: if she, you know, does Pepper some of that in there,
Speaker 2: But I do think you know that is it's it's
Speaker 2: significant in a certain way, not just the tailor thing.
Speaker 2: The media conversation after this relative to how it was
Speaker 2: after Biden is night and day.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: You can imagine the backflips that they're doing on CNN
Speaker 2: and MSNBC. You can imagine the absolute coping Jesse Water
Speaker 2: tears over how bad the moderators were.
Speaker 3: You just don't want to be in that position.
Speaker 2: You want to be celebrating good stuff your candidate did,
Speaker 2: and they didn't have nearly enough moments for that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, that's it.
Speaker 1: I just want to know where Taylor Swift was at
Speaker 1: the DMC when I was promised a special guest, So
Speaker 1: we got to lead on.
Speaker 3: Want nor did we get Beyonce, So it's like, what
Speaker 3: are we doing?
Speaker 1: There was an interesting moment where Ryan beforehand you asked
Speaker 1: us to take the over the under on Kamala doing
Speaker 1: her like I'm speaking yes, And we got a big
Speaker 1: surprise on that one, which is it was actually drunk
Speaker 1: multiple times?
Speaker 4: Did he multiple times?
Speaker 5: Once time he said quiet please.
Speaker 3: His inner girl boss, I'm talking.
Speaker 1: Perhaps this is a way for him to try to
Speaker 1: win the woman vote over by channeling his.
Speaker 4: Inner girl boss.
Speaker 1: Yes we have we have D six is a little
Speaker 1: bit of that Trump. But I'm speaking reprising problems.
Speaker 5: See very sassy, very.
Speaker 1: Sassy Trump, reprising Kamala's famous line piece of you, Mike
Speaker 1: Pencil's take a listen to that.
Speaker 7: She gave up at least twelve and probably fourteen or
Speaker 7: fifteen different policies, Like she was big on defund the
Speaker 7: police in Minnesota. She went out, I'm talking now, if
Speaker 7: you don't mind, please, does that sound familiar? She went out,
Speaker 7: she went out in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: You know there are her face was very active too.
Speaker 1: That was clearly very intentional her faces. There were times
Speaker 1: where she would actively go like.
Speaker 3: It was a little Wretchen Whitford to me for me,
Speaker 3: she studied.
Speaker 1: There were times where she almost like had a look
Speaker 1: of like pity on her face.
Speaker 4: She was laughing at him.
Speaker 1: It was night and day obviously with Joe Biden, but
Speaker 1: it was also very different affect from what Trump had
Speaker 1: in this debate, where he was just straight on not
Speaker 1: looking at her at all, straight on, angry mug to
Speaker 1: the camera. And you know, I think she was It
Speaker 1: was I think a smart play on in her regard,
Speaker 1: and like I said before, like they thought through how
Speaker 1: they wanted this debate to go. They thought through the
Speaker 1: spots they were going to pick. I guarantee they even practiced. Okay,
Speaker 1: when he brings up criminal immigrants, you're going to say
Speaker 1: you're the criminal dot dot dot, and then he's going
Speaker 1: to go in on that when you get asked.
Speaker 4: About flip flop.
Speaker 1: Apparently there was a plan to bring up like his
Speaker 1: dad's networth or whatever it was that throw him off track.
Speaker 1: There they he has become predictable enough so much that
Speaker 1: they knew what his points were going to be and
Speaker 1: how she could throw him off.
Speaker 5: And they even tell her rafted in her opening remarks
Speaker 5: where she said, you know you're gonna here's what you're
Speaker 5: going to see today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have some of that.
Speaker 5: You're going to see a guy that talks about himself.
Speaker 5: We can roll that one.
Speaker 3: Why don't we? Why don't we? Guys?
Speaker 2: That's really sting, because this is important. This was the
Speaker 2: set piece. She telegraphed what she was going to do,
Speaker 2: then she did it, and he takes the bab every time,
Speaker 2: zero discipline.
Speaker 3: It was ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to her please from the from
Speaker 2: the beginning of what she was going to do, d one.
Speaker 6: But I'm going to tell you all on this debate tonight,
Speaker 6: you're going to hear from the same old tired.
Speaker 3: Playbook, a bunch of lies.
Speaker 6: Grievances, and name calling. What you're going to hear tonight
Speaker 6: is it detailed and dangerous plan called Project twenty twenty
Speaker 6: five that the former president intends on implementing if he
Speaker 6: were elected to gain I believe very strongly that the
Speaker 6: American people want a president who understands the importance of
Speaker 6: bringing us together, knowing we have so much more in
Speaker 6: common than what separates us. And I pledged you to
Speaker 6: be a president for all Americans.
Speaker 4: So there you go.
Speaker 1: Like you said, Ryan, she set up you know what
Speaker 1: that reminded me of in the moment and did rewatching
Speaker 1: it there.
Speaker 4: Remember when Chris Christy destroyed Marc because he said what
Speaker 4: he said.
Speaker 1: He said he has his memorized talking points, and then
Speaker 1: Marco Rubio goes on to recite his memorized talking points
Speaker 1: and use them over again, and then Christy's able to
Speaker 1: see he's doing the thing I told you he was
Speaker 1: going to do. And Kamala did that exact same thing
Speaker 1: with Trump, like here's what you're going to hear tonight.
Speaker 1: And then when he would do something like this, See
Speaker 1: I told you this is what he was going to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're exactly right.
Speaker 2: So I was just telling you, guys, well that clip
Speaker 2: was playing with a reporter who's in the room the
Speaker 2: spin room, asked Lindsey Graham, how did you think that
Speaker 2: the debate went? He said the debate team should be
Speaker 2: fired and that Trump was unprepared quote disaster. As you said, Crystal,
Speaker 2: it's never this is like when remember they were saying
Speaker 2: that about Biden and then Jim Clyburn originally he's the
Speaker 2: original Kope, He's like, oh, he wasn't well prepared.
Speaker 3: He was reciting facts.
Speaker 4: They did a lot of throwing the staff under the bus.
Speaker 1: Remember it was oh they worked him too hard and
Speaker 1: they were having him memorize too many facts or whatever
Speaker 1: instead of just letting Joe be Joe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a lot of that.
Speaker 3: We're going to watch that now.
Speaker 2: I mean Trump is a capricious man, He's deeply sensitive.
Speaker 2: So what's going to happen. He is going to he's
Speaker 2: kind of lash out at his staff. We're going to
Speaker 2: see the multiple truths and others. I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 2: if we start to see you know who was at
Speaker 2: Susie Wiles and Chris las de Vita. Already there's major
Speaker 2: tension in the campaign and Corey Lewindower. Corey's going to
Speaker 2: use this against them, But gee, they screwed you, mister.
Speaker 2: They are the ones who screwed you. And Laura Lumer
Speaker 2: was on the plane with Trump right today all the way.
Speaker 2: Guarantee you She'll be like, oh, you got to get
Speaker 2: rid of those people.
Speaker 1: So look when Trump, the one that told him about
Speaker 1: the Haitian cat situes.
Speaker 2: Trump is in a bad spot. What happens is he
Speaker 2: always retreats to the most sycophantic people who are the
Speaker 2: most willing. We saw this and used to be the
Speaker 2: Hills when I was Yeah, when I was covering him
Speaker 2: in the White House, I saw this all the time.
Speaker 2: Like when things got bad, it wasn't Jared Nvanka, it
Speaker 2: was the Bannons, the you know, the Jenna ellisis all
Speaker 2: these other people. So I predict something like that now.
Speaker 2: Mike Lindell Bingo exactly. I think that this is an
Speaker 2: overstock CEO and that's only going to make things worse, right,
Speaker 2: It's going to make things even worse as we get
Speaker 2: into the overall stream.
Speaker 5: This is a really good point because this takes us
Speaker 5: beyond the theater of the debate, and I think the
Speaker 5: theater itself doesn't really change the debate, doesn't really change
Speaker 5: the race that much, like it could have if Kamala
Speaker 5: completely face planted or if like Trump fell off the stage.
Speaker 5: But you know, I don't see this moving the poles
Speaker 5: a whole lot in one way or another. But the way
Speaker 5: that it will substantively affect the race is exactly what
Speaker 5: you're talking about. The way that Trump reacts to it
Speaker 5: because he can't handle it. He was humiliated by a
Speaker 5: person he has contempt for, and right, he's going to
Speaker 5: take it out now on people like las A Vita.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people who were like professionals and the.
Speaker 4: People is worst side of him, yes, and.
Speaker 5: The retreat to the yeah, exactly, to the worst people
Speaker 5: around him. And those worst people around him will use
Speaker 5: this to their advantage. And so there's only what how
Speaker 5: many days left? There's not enough time for him to
Speaker 5: be fifty five upending the race.
Speaker 4: Some states are you know, starting to vote like.
Speaker 3: Now North Carolina, that's a disaster.
Speaker 2: And North Carolina, as we were talking about in our
Speaker 2: pre show, has the high chance of actually being the
Speaker 2: number two according to Nate Silver tipping point state. So
Speaker 2: there's a lot of there's a lot of problems that
Speaker 2: happened for Trump tonight. I I genuinely, I mean, look,
Speaker 2: everyone always said that Hillary won.
Speaker 3: You know, the general consis was Hillary won all three debates,
Speaker 3: she still lost the election. Okay, so we'll see, you know,
Speaker 3: he could I think you'd probably still win.
Speaker 4: I think census was also kind of wrong, was I.
Speaker 3: Don't disagree with you, I'm saying the media.
Speaker 2: The media conversation around it was that Trump had lost
Speaker 2: quote unquote all three debates.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so look, could he still win? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 2: What will this have effect on the polls? I don't
Speaker 2: know what do you guys? Do you think she'll get
Speaker 2: a bump?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You think, like maybe one.
Speaker 4: I think I do think she will get a bump.
Speaker 1: I think it will be certainly not as consequential as
Speaker 1: the Biden debate, obviously, but we do have very unique
Speaker 1: circumstances here. People feel like they don't really know who
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris is and this was her first really big
Speaker 1: test on a giant stage, and I think the ratings
Speaker 1: for this are going to be astronomical. I know, I
Speaker 1: mean just from the like normal people aren't really political
Speaker 1: in my life that were like texting me about it
Speaker 1: today and what I just I have a feeling the
Speaker 1: nation was tuning into this, and certainly they will be
Speaker 1: tuning into the clips that get you know, run and pulled.
Speaker 4: From it for sure. And you know, she passed the test.
Speaker 1: She did more than pass the test, and he the
Speaker 1: worst side of him was on display. So I do
Speaker 1: think that the polls will shift some. Do I think
Speaker 1: that it's going to be massive?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Does it go back to, you know, more like what
Speaker 1: it was going into the convention when she had a
Speaker 1: pretty clear lead, but you know, still very much on
Speaker 1: an I think that's probably where we're headed. And then
Speaker 1: the question is does that sustain? Is she able to
Speaker 1: sustain that, because to Ryan's point, you don't have to
Speaker 1: sustain it for that long, Like we're down to the
Speaker 1: wire already, and Kamo says, now she wants to do
Speaker 1: another debate. Do you guys think Trump is going to
Speaker 1: want to do this again?
Speaker 2: I do not think he well, it depends. So he
Speaker 2: has agreed to NBC and Fox. She has only agreed,
Speaker 2: I believe to NBC. So is he going to agree
Speaker 2: to an NBC News debate? Like I have a high
Speaker 2: maybe have agreed to Fox? She?
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: She would agree to fix just because look, when you're already,
Speaker 2: when you came out of a good debate and then
Speaker 2: you just say, oh, I'm not going to you know,
Speaker 2: acquiesce to his sycophantic people. Even though the moderators on
Speaker 2: this one were buyased in favor of you, There'd be
Speaker 2: enough media cover that she could probably get away with it.
Speaker 2: I think it is a very legitimate question of if
Speaker 2: Trump participates in another debate. I'm not ready to say
Speaker 2: he won't, but just because his vanity generally gets the
Speaker 2: better of him and he thinks he can take someone
Speaker 2: and he's agreed.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, he agreed to debate Biden.
Speaker 2: But at this point, now he's got a debate which
Speaker 2: got Biden out of the race, which was objectively a
Speaker 2: disaster for Trump and the Trump campaign, and now he
Speaker 2: is another debate where he's going to one hundred percent
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen? He's going to blame the moderators, and
Speaker 2: he's gonna blame his staff. Does he have the wherewithal
Speaker 2: to accept another debate under those circumstances. I'm not one
Speaker 2: hundred percent sure. He might have taken away. Both debates
Speaker 2: in this race so far were bad for me, so
Speaker 2: why would I do another one? But I actually that
Speaker 2: helps Kamala as well. I think he'd probably rather She
Speaker 2: probably a little bit of a bump. I mean, I
Speaker 2: certainly don't think the election was won or lost or
Speaker 2: anything like that tonight, but I think it is very
Speaker 2: consequential in that he blew a moment where both she rose.
Speaker 3: To the place where she needed to be.
Speaker 2: She's probably reassured a lot of vodors about like the
Speaker 2: who are you question, and then worse every time she
Speaker 2: didn't want to reassure them about anything that she fake believes.
Speaker 2: She just laid up this very classic attack on Trump
Speaker 2: if he only cares about himself, and then he would
Speaker 2: validate those by taking debate on all of these ridiculous
Speaker 2: So on the issues front, he really failed to actually
Speaker 2: shine in the ways that I think he needed to,
Speaker 2: and that's objectively a disaster for his campaign.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he hasn't gotten over Biden leaving the race yet.
Speaker 4: That was what I kept talking about Biden.
Speaker 5: He's probably going to like fume about that for days
Speaker 5: on truth and maybe jump over to Twitter with that.
Speaker 5: And part of that is part of not accepting Kamala
Speaker 5: Harris as his opponent comes from I think him just
Speaker 5: not respecting her whatsoever, holding her in complete contempt. And
Speaker 5: when you hold your adversary and contempt, it only come
Speaker 5: it only comes back to bite you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, Should we take some questions, that's absolutely right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead and pull up some questions. One last thought
Speaker 1: I had before we get to the questions is I
Speaker 1: think we also learned a lot about Kamala's theory, political
Speaker 1: theory of the case, and her approach in this debate.
Speaker 4: This was not a.
Speaker 1: Debate about here's my policy, Here's how I'm in a delivery.
Speaker 1: It was an attempt to turn it into referendum on
Speaker 1: Donald trump.
Speaker 5: One policy fifteen thousand dollars for startups.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, it WHI was not a bad There was
Speaker 1: also I actually.
Speaker 4: Was at the bathroom. You guys told me about this.
Speaker 1: But Trump gets asked about healthcare and what did he say?
Speaker 4: Like, I have some concepts and.
Speaker 3: I have it.
Speaker 2: I have the concepts of a plan. I have some
Speaker 2: concept as a plan quote, but I'm not president.
Speaker 1: Right, okay, So but it was you know, there was
Speaker 1: very little policy, and that was clearly by design. And
Speaker 1: they also started running this ad today I think where
Speaker 1: it was a reprisal of Obama's crowd size joke.
Speaker 4: And so you know that.
Speaker 1: That rally line was planned to coincide with the Obama
Speaker 1: rally size joke, and you know, so they're they're leaning
Speaker 1: into that as well. That was like their equivalent I
Speaker 1: think of that little Girl was Me moment that they
Speaker 1: had planned in advance.
Speaker 3: So we have a question here.
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Speaker 2: So this is first one is a great one from
Speaker 2: Jude one, two three four. Was this worse for Trump
Speaker 2: than the Biden debate in twenty twenty? Great question for.
Speaker 4: The Biden debate in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: The one, the first, the bad one.
Speaker 2: I don't have to think about it, I'm not sure
Speaker 2: if I had to say, I think this one was
Speaker 2: probably worse, just because first time against Kamala Biden is
Speaker 2: such a known quantity, so many more questions about Kamala
Speaker 2: and her abilities you rising to her.
Speaker 4: I think the state were hiring the spy, h why
Speaker 4: it matters.
Speaker 5: And the opportunity was so much greater, Like there was
Speaker 5: so much damage he could have done because she's not known.
Speaker 5: There's only so much you can do to a twenty
Speaker 5: twenty Biden, and.
Speaker 1: Those views of her are hardening very quickly. So every
Speaker 1: opportunity you miss to define her, throw her off balance,
Speaker 1: make her appear like you know, the word clouds that
Speaker 1: we got that were incompetent, make her appear like that caricatureish,
Speaker 1: incompetent person that you know, has that image that has
Speaker 1: been spun up over these number of years. Every time
Speaker 1: you miss those opportunities, the clock is ticking down to
Speaker 1: election day point by point.
Speaker 4: So you know.
Speaker 1: Also that Biden debate, I believe it was probably a
Speaker 1: little earlier too, so there was also probably more time
Speaker 1: to recover from it. But they were also just both
Speaker 1: individuals whose images were largely hardened, so it was the
Speaker 1: stakes were a bit lower.
Speaker 2: It was actually later September twenty ninth, crazy to think about.
Speaker 2: I know, wow, September twenty nine, I think twenty twenty
Speaker 2: all right, what else have we got here?
Speaker 3: They say, oh.
Speaker 2: Question, what were your thoughts on the foreign policy sections
Speaker 2: of the debate. Yeah, I think we get all guests.
Speaker 2: I mean this, lady, I'll let you guys handle Israel.
Speaker 2: On Ukraine ridiculous, she basically implied that the only acceptable
Speaker 2: condition of victory in Ukraine his total Ukrainian victory. It's like, okay,
Speaker 2: we're going to be there until the goddamn end of
Speaker 2: the century. Then if that's the plan. On Afghanistan, she
Speaker 2: is both defending the first time that a Democrat has
Speaker 2: defended Biden's withdrawal of Afghanistan.
Speaker 3: Cool. I think the side.
Speaker 4: Let's give her.
Speaker 1: Kana Procy was out there on the Sunday defending it
Speaker 1: at the time.
Speaker 2: So she's like, well, it's good that we got out
Speaker 2: and now we're not paying for it. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is good, you know, this is good. And at
Speaker 2: the end she's like, and he invited a terrorist to
Speaker 2: Camp David. I'm like, well, you know, we were fighting
Speaker 2: a war against him. So that's probably how you should
Speaker 2: end a war. You want to negotiate at Camp David.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of bad people that have been at
Speaker 2: Camp David. That's how you get some shit to be over.
Speaker 2: It's just didn't coherent. So anyways, that was my general thoughts.
Speaker 2: I'll let you guys handle it.
Speaker 5: On Ukraine, I noticed a little not the whine on
Speaker 5: behalf of Republicans, but there was a moment where the
Speaker 5: David and we were saying, you know, do you want
Speaker 5: Ukraine to win this war? Yes? Multiple times, that's right,
Speaker 5: and Trump's says I want the war to end.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Unusually anti war for a presidential candidate. Against the war by.
Speaker 2: Far, in my opinion, like his best answer, because he
Speaker 2: gave the same one to CNN and the media freaked
Speaker 2: out about it then too, and he's obviously on the
Speaker 2: side of the American people who want to also end
Speaker 2: the war.
Speaker 5: But then when he circled over to Kamala Harris for
Speaker 5: that question, he said, I want to ask you about
Speaker 5: support for Ukraine, which is different than saying to ask
Speaker 5: you about support for your grand That's different than saying
Speaker 5: you want Ukraine to win the war. It's a much
Speaker 5: softer way of letting her point into it. But then
Speaker 5: she still went in with.
Speaker 1: The equivalent questions would be, you know, does you are
Speaker 1: you going to just continue.
Speaker 4: This war forever? What point do you?
Speaker 3: At what point do you?
Speaker 4: Is it negotiating and the war?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: I mean listen on the foreign policy. So first of all,
Speaker 1: I thought, over all the foreign policy section was Trump's
Speaker 1: strongest section.
Speaker 4: Yes, I thought of.
Speaker 1: The whole debate was was that section. They were roughly
Speaker 1: at a draw in terms of the substance. I mean
Speaker 1: Kama's is the answer was exactly what Kama was Israel
Speaker 1: answer has been the question was framing was actually kind
Speaker 1: of sympathetic to Palestinians. It was like, hey, this has
Speaker 1: been a lot of suffering and this many have died
Speaker 1: and nothing has changed. What would you do different? Nothing
Speaker 1: layup to, you know, put some distance between yourself and
Speaker 1: this president and this horrifically like, you know, atrocious policy
Speaker 1: that is wildly unpopular. But we all knew she wasn't
Speaker 1: going to do that. We talked about it before, and
Speaker 1: she went through her whole like memorized, same things she
Speaker 1: said at the convention, same things she says every time
Speaker 1: she gets these answer, So that sucked. Obviously Trump sucks
Speaker 1: on Israel. You know, he's always and his line is
Speaker 1: always to say, oh, this never.
Speaker 3: Would have happened.
Speaker 4: Okay, well it did, so what now?
Speaker 1: Right in terms of Ukraine, you know, on the substance,
Speaker 1: obviously the worst crime that we committed on Ukraine was
Speaker 1: scuttling and now we have even more confirmation the way
Speaker 1: we scuttled this early piece deal that could have could
Speaker 1: have avoided so much tragedy and loss, et cetera. And
Speaker 1: you know, there's no indication that she has any desire
Speaker 1: to break from the Biden policy on Ukraine. I also
Speaker 1: would be remiss if I didn't say it's one of
Speaker 1: the areas where his policy is actually the most popular
Speaker 1: in terms of you know, when people ask Howsie doing
Speaker 1: on this? In that issue, this is one of the
Speaker 1: areas where he pulls the best. So to separate my
Speaker 1: own feelings on the issue from you know, what I
Speaker 1: think how it will be received. All her bluster about
Speaker 1: the Taliban and Afghanistan and what she said about Ukraine
Speaker 1: and standing with our allies, and that's why we have
Speaker 1: to turn a page on Donald Trump. And also baiting
Speaker 1: him there too, remember about foreign leaders having contempt for him.
Speaker 1: She did not that sex as well, which he again
Speaker 1: took the bait and spent an amount of time talking
Speaker 1: about Victor orbon for.
Speaker 4: God knows what reason.
Speaker 1: But I think that the way she presented those things,
Speaker 1: even though I disagree with her in certain very key
Speaker 1: and important ways, I think it probably did land with
Speaker 1: general audience.
Speaker 2: The funny thing is on the Orbon point, It's like,
Speaker 2: you know, we would be lucky if fifteen percent of
Speaker 2: this country knew who Immanuel Macrone was, like the president.
Speaker 2: It's like to name check Victor orbon Like.
Speaker 1: Because this is a leader that there's a fixation with
Speaker 1: in online right wing subcultures.
Speaker 4: You you know, you drop a true social or.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, Grandma in Wisconsin definitely knows who Victor
Speaker 2: Orbon is.
Speaker 3: Bro Like, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Can can people even name the Prime Minister of the UK?
Speaker 3: Probably not?
Speaker 2: Like, no way, and let that's like our closest ally
Speaker 2: let alone the d president of Hungary.
Speaker 5: Right and maybe somebody in the comments is gonna help
Speaker 5: us out here, because I have had no success finding
Speaker 5: out what the heck Kamala Harris was talking about with
Speaker 5: this thing we're accusing Trump China ships to China.
Speaker 1: Like remember early on she said Trump sold us sound
Speaker 1: by giving our chips to China to make their military
Speaker 1: better or something like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know what.
Speaker 3: There's gotta be something.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some something if I had to guess,
Speaker 1: even like confused, like I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: But it's also also certainly not true because the Trump
Speaker 2: administration banned Huawei, the ad Siphius.
Speaker 5: That it arrested like the vice president of right, well
Speaker 5: that was.
Speaker 3: I think that was Canada.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure you're talking about possibly with us anyway.
Speaker 3: We don't need to get back.
Speaker 1: But she took the tack in that hole, in that
Speaker 1: whole portion of trying to ount hawk yes, Trump on China.
Speaker 1: She even was like, you sent a tweet about President
Speaker 1: she congratulating him.
Speaker 4: Oh and she did the labakh Yes, your favorite.
Speaker 3: Kamala is a lab leaker.
Speaker 2: She was like, she congratulated President she when he was
Speaker 2: covering up the origins of COVID.
Speaker 5: I'm like, whoa, what you know?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 5: Kama?
Speaker 3: Okay, wait, okay, Ryan, let's at least take that bro.
Speaker 3: We want it took US four years.
Speaker 2: We got the the vice president of a democratic administration
Speaker 2: to admit at least that there were quote unquote questions
Speaker 2: around the cod The.
Speaker 5: Boniest way for her to finish her closing remarks be like, oh,
Speaker 5: and by the way, Trump funded the wuhan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yes, and then he covered it up. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Fauci and Trump Trump, Fauci funded.
Speaker 5: Just skip Fauci Trump, Yeah, Trump funded the Obama had
Speaker 5: had a moratorium.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he lifted, reversed, gotorum.
Speaker 4: He would have melted right, game over, games set.
Speaker 5: And every Democrat would be like, yes, that's exactly what.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, you're right, you're absolutely.
Speaker 1: In the spin room immediately afterwards or whoever, they never
Speaker 1: believed in.
Speaker 5: A natural origin.
Speaker 2: One last question, I think from Parah al Baran, what
Speaker 2: was the single most determinative moment in the debate and
Speaker 2: what do you anticipate the cope will be the one
Speaker 2: that we played, which where he responded on rallies.
Speaker 3: That was that was when it was solidified for me.
Speaker 2: I think that was roughly what twenty five thirty minutes
Speaker 2: or so, and it was the first time of the
Speaker 2: border section, and I said, that's it. He's lost. He
Speaker 2: lost it. He has no discipline. He let himself get
Speaker 2: riled up and angry, and from then on, I think
Speaker 2: it would just continue to be downhill. And he did
Speaker 2: it over and over and over again.
Speaker 5: If people were watching from the skycam, they have seen
Speaker 5: Sager flopping around like a yeah.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: You believe in things and you see them go to
Speaker 2: shit on national television, You're like, okay.
Speaker 1: All right. I'm torn between that moment or that series
Speaker 1: of moments where she just you know, throws out the
Speaker 1: bait and he just chases after it like you know whatever,
Speaker 1: but or the abortion exchange, because I do think that's true,
Speaker 1: and this is you know, it was kind of Kamala
Speaker 1: ask frankly because she normally is the one who gets
Speaker 1: a predictable question and screws it all up. There was
Speaker 1: nothing more predictable in this debate than that you were
Speaker 1: going to get asked about abortion. Like you knew this
Speaker 1: question was coming. You know, specifically you're going to get
Speaker 1: asked about a national abortion band, which Jade Vance had
Speaker 1: said you would veto.
Speaker 4: You knew this.
Speaker 1: Was coming, and you can't handle You still don't know
Speaker 1: what to say on this issue. I think It's just
Speaker 1: that one is so consequential to so many voters. It's
Speaker 1: clearly been such a motivating factor, and it's just such
Speaker 1: a clear winner for Democrats that you know, I do
Speaker 1: think that that also was a very determinive moment.
Speaker 5: What do you think, right, Yeah, the knock on Paris
Speaker 5: is that she doesn't prepare. Instead, Trump didn't prepare, and
Speaker 5: you've just he flopped. I think that's that's right, like
Speaker 5: him her being able to just lead him by the
Speaker 5: nose around it just made him look ridiculous, Yeah, and
Speaker 5: made him miss all the opportunities he has to score
Speaker 5: points where his policies are more popular.
Speaker 2: Interesting, So apparently Trump himself actually just came into the
Speaker 2: been into the spin room, of course.
Speaker 3: So that's that's generally a bad.
Speaker 4: That's the sign he knows it went back. You know.
Speaker 1: I also knew he realized towards the end it went
Speaker 1: bad because there was a moment when they were getting
Speaker 1: to the final questions where he starts trying to rattle
Speaker 1: off everything that he'd clearly you know, prepare, like fracking
Speaker 1: and medicare for end in private insurance. It was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you realize the clock is ticking down.
Speaker 5: All your good stuff.
Speaker 4: You're trying. You're like, oh shit, I didn't.
Speaker 3: I saw that too. His last statement, he was trying
Speaker 3: to just spray and pray all about there.
Speaker 4: That's exactly where it's.
Speaker 3: Been long time.
Speaker 2: That's the other problem, you know, I realized very early
Speaker 2: on is statistically the vast majority of people only watch
Speaker 2: for like thirty minutes, Like almost nobody watches this entire thing.
Speaker 3: You're very rare. If you do.
Speaker 2: You watch the first thirty like get a sense of it,
Speaker 2: and you go to bed, especially if you're on the
Speaker 2: East Coast and those where that was when Trump really whiffed.
Speaker 2: They had whifted on abortion and then he whifted on immigration,
Speaker 2: back to back, the two most consequential issues of this
Speaker 2: entire election. So that was my takeaway, and knowing him too,
Speaker 2: the fact that he's in that spin room. He is
Speaker 2: there because he probably immediately turned on the television afterwards,
Speaker 2: saw the coverage and he goes, I need to go
Speaker 2: out there and I need to reclaim.
Speaker 1: He's trying to trying to change the narrative. Spin It's
Speaker 1: I mean, those days are those days.
Speaker 4: Are kind of over, you know.
Speaker 1: It's I think the spin room used to be a
Speaker 1: lot more consequential than it is at this point. But
Speaker 1: you know, to your point about his closing statement, the message.
Speaker 4: There is very effective.
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, you got all these great ideas, where
Speaker 1: were they for three and a half years. How does
Speaker 1: it take you to the very end of the debate
Speaker 1: before that ever comes out of your mouth? Totally because
Speaker 1: that should have been what He could have hit her
Speaker 1: on that over over and over and over again, and
Speaker 1: that's how you get a message to actually sink in.
Speaker 1: You can't just say it once at the end of
Speaker 1: the debate that.
Speaker 4: Needed to do.
Speaker 1: That could have been a refrain, you know, no matter
Speaker 1: what she was talking about, on Ukraine, on healthcare, on energy,
Speaker 1: whatever it was, he could have been saying that, and
Speaker 1: it doesn't come out till the very end when he realizes, like, shit,
Speaker 1: I got to do something to try to turn this
Speaker 1: around and put lipstick on this pig.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, all right. Any closing thoughts, Ryan, what
Speaker 3: do you think I.
Speaker 5: Think Trump going out to the spin room is great
Speaker 5: evidence of the point that you were making earlier that
Speaker 5: this could that he's going to unravel for a week
Speaker 5: or two, but so much more could still happen, like
Speaker 5: maybe there's a break breakthrough in Ukraine or something like
Speaker 5: the collapse over there, like the election is still wide open.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's absolutely Do you so you what do you
Speaker 1: think is going to happen with the polls with regard
Speaker 1: to this debate?
Speaker 5: If anything, I think probably I think she probably does
Speaker 5: get a little tiny bump from people leaving Trump. Yeah,
Speaker 5: like a couple of people, you know.
Speaker 3: You know. And also I think she's going to raise
Speaker 3: eight Absolutely.
Speaker 2: She's getting so much money, like like a hundred million
Speaker 2: dollars like.
Speaker 5: In a week or and she just has to make
Speaker 5: people not hate her. Yeah, and she did fine, right,
Speaker 5: and that if that's the goal in that debate.
Speaker 1: And be an acceptable people be able to envision you
Speaker 1: in the role and like rise the case.
Speaker 5: Still no idea what she stands for.
Speaker 4: Still no idea what she stands for?
Speaker 3: Last night?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean I think I think we've covered
Speaker 1: it all.
Speaker 4: Not a good knight for Trump.
Speaker 1: Not determinative, right, I think she did herself a lot
Speaker 1: of favors. And the question has been can she like
Speaker 1: vibe and meme her way into November?
Speaker 4: And every day that goes.
Speaker 1: By We're closer to her being able to pull that
Speaker 1: off because she's going to get a phenomenal news cycle
Speaker 1: out of this, right, She's going to get a phenomenal
Speaker 1: news cycle. The clips are going to be circulating. He's
Speaker 1: going to be fuming and doing himself no favors. There's
Speaker 1: going to be all kinds of like leaks out of
Speaker 1: his campaign, this one, throwing this one under the bus,
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. And you know, so I think
Speaker 1: she's the strategy of running out the clock and vibing
Speaker 1: and meming till November is kind of working out.
Speaker 2: So certainly could work also now Taylor Swift is waight in.
Speaker 2: So yeah, my general one is just what a missed opportunity.
Speaker 2: And it just shows you that the Trump, the you know,
Speaker 2: the chaotic Trump, the one that everybody said shouldn't appear,
Speaker 2: he just can't help himself sometimes. And if you're such
Speaker 2: an easy mark for Kamala, who's not it, let's be
Speaker 2: hout it, like we're not looking at the most talented
Speaker 2: politician in modern American history.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are going to read
Speaker 3: into that.
Speaker 2: And you, certainly, at the very least you really did
Speaker 2: not give yourself the opportunity to be that change candidate
Speaker 2: that people wanted you to be.
Speaker 3: From those undecided voters we saw in the New York Times.
Speaker 2: You give Kamala an eagle shot at that, and that
Speaker 2: very much at You know that that ethos through the
Speaker 2: election going up.
Speaker 3: It could be what costs you at the end of the.
Speaker 2: Day when we're such, when we're this tight, everything matters,
Speaker 2: and the stakes were crazy.
Speaker 1: There was no he His greatest asset is like his
Speaker 1: charm and his levity and when he makes people laugh
Speaker 1: when they don't even want to laugh. And there was none,
Speaker 1: none of that side of him tonight.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it be interesting to see what he's saying.
Speaker 2: All Right, we will have we will have comprehensive coverage
Speaker 2: continue in here on breaking points.
Speaker 3: So we will see you all later.
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