WEBVTT - #208 Answering the question: How do I get closer to God?

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<v Speaker 1>What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the podcast. This this

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<v Speaker 1>episode two hundred and eight, and I've got a first

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<v Speaker 1>time guest, longtime friend, first time guest, Marshall Canalis and

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<v Speaker 1>he's also my pastor at a Mais Church in Georgetown, Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason the reason I bring anybody on, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't just like bring on celebrities or or friends

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<v Speaker 1>because I like them. I really don't. I really use

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast and I I am very sensitive to it

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<v Speaker 1>because these are my people that have asked questions sensitive

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<v Speaker 1>questions sometimes sometimes this podcast, unfortunately, it's the only outlet

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<v Speaker 1>that they have. And so I choose people for this

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<v Speaker 1>that I would trust with my stuff. And that's you,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's Bernie, and that's Parker, and that's Chad. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's why it's a small group because if I'm like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going through something, let me and I've done this

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<v Speaker 1>before with you if I have something going on, what

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<v Speaker 1>would you do in my situation or how would you

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<v Speaker 1>give me advice in this situation? And you're one of

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<v Speaker 1>the wisest people I know in my life right now,

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<v Speaker 1>you are the one of the wisest people with the

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<v Speaker 1>best counsel. You are. You always have such a sound mind.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean it's evident the Lord puts you in

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<v Speaker 1>my life at the perfect time when I needed someone

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<v Speaker 1>like you. And and so now I would love if

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<v Speaker 1>you would do the same thing you do for me

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<v Speaker 1>to so many on this podcast. So dude, I just

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you being here.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that intro. Man, that's a lot to live

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<v Speaker 2>up to.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you just have to be yourself. And and so

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<v Speaker 1>everyone knows we don't have notes in front of us,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have like famous Sea Lewis quotes on this table,

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<v Speaker 1>or we don't even have a Bible in front of us.

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<v Speaker 1>We can pull out our phones and look stuff up,

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<v Speaker 1>but we do that on purpose because we're not preparing

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<v Speaker 1>for these questions. Marshall doesn't know anything it's about to

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<v Speaker 1>come at him, and that way, it creates an atmosphere

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<v Speaker 1>like we're just sitting in the cab of a truck

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<v Speaker 1>and you say, hey, man, can I run something bias

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<v Speaker 1>something I've been going through And we'll say, yeah, let's

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<v Speaker 1>hear it. And we don't have to tell you the

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<v Speaker 1>exact right answer right now, but sometimes we could just

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<v Speaker 1>point you in the direction of where that answer might be.

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<v Speaker 1>That's our goal, and to do that, you just email

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<v Speaker 1>Grangersmith Podcast at gmail dot com and then we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to get into this you ready, ready, all right? Randomly,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm to pull out these questions. The first one says

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<v Speaker 1>subject line podcast question. The email says, Hey Grandeer, my

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<v Speaker 1>name is Chandler. I'm twenty one years old. I was

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<v Speaker 1>saved when I was fifteen at church camp. I was

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<v Speaker 1>on a high for God. But life happened and started

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<v Speaker 1>working and dating, et cetera. I started working in dating,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. Is what he meant. I went through a

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<v Speaker 1>rough patch with my faith and finally getting back into

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<v Speaker 1>church where I could where I can work with my schedule.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's what he meant. Any advice on how

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<v Speaker 1>to get closer to God and being a strong Christian

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<v Speaker 1>young man, Thank you, Chandler. So here's this dude, Chandler,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one. He's been saved for six years at church camp.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is the story that we hear a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of church camp something like that, And then

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<v Speaker 1>you're on a high for God. That's totally normal, and

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<v Speaker 1>then life happened and you settled back down a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit you started trusting yourself a little bit more. You

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<v Speaker 1>kind of forgot about that high that church camp brought you.

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<v Speaker 1>When it was when the band was playing and all

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<v Speaker 1>your friends were there and the lights were on and

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<v Speaker 1>you all got down on your knees and you asked

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus into your heart with this prayer and then life

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<v Speaker 1>and as you say, you went through a rough patch

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<v Speaker 1>with your faith and finally getting back into church that

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<v Speaker 1>works with your schedule. So his advice, Marshall, is any

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<v Speaker 1>advice on getting closer to God and being a strong

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<v Speaker 1>Christian young man. And by the way, Chandler, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>very normal story, like you're not you're not saying something

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<v Speaker 1>that that we would be like, oh man, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>a problem. We're saying yep, I hear you, man. And

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<v Speaker 1>you're asking the right question. The fact that you're emailing,

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<v Speaker 1>you're thinking about this, you're you're in a church now,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is good. So what do you tell

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<v Speaker 1>Chandler Marshall.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, just one encouraging that you have this

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<v Speaker 2>desire to be closer to God and that you found

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<v Speaker 2>a way to get back into church. Because one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things I would tell you is to get closer

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<v Speaker 2>to God. You got to get closer to His people.

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<v Speaker 2>Not not just so that you would feel closer to Him,

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<v Speaker 2>but you have all those people around you who can

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<v Speaker 2>support you, and when you hit those trials of life,

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<v Speaker 2>they can speak God's promises in your life, but also

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<v Speaker 2>speak his warnings in your life when you're going kind

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<v Speaker 2>of against what His word is saying. And so you

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<v Speaker 2>need the people of God around you to hold you

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<v Speaker 2>accountable to God. And so it also will prevent you

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<v Speaker 2>from trying to seek this constant high that you probably

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<v Speaker 2>felt at youth camp. I mean I've been there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you're just surrounding and I think that's actually a testament

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<v Speaker 2>to being around God's people, right, Like you're around all

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<v Speaker 2>these people who want to be on fire for God,

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<v Speaker 2>and you kind of feed off of that a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>And so.

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<v Speaker 2>Being around the people of God will constantly point you

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<v Speaker 2>in the right direction when life's telling you to go

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<v Speaker 2>in to a different direction when you know, I would

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<v Speaker 2>they say dating and works kind of got in the way.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're in church, that's gonna constantly confront you with

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<v Speaker 2>this reality of your you're kind of distancing yourself from

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<v Speaker 2>the people of God. And if you're distancing yourself from

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<v Speaker 2>the people of God, in some sense, you're distancing yourself

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<v Speaker 2>from God himself because He's called us to be in community.

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<v Speaker 2>And so when you're distancing yourself from that community, it

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<v Speaker 2>should feel weird, it should feel awkward, it should probably

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<v Speaker 2>get tough because you're trying to do something that you

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<v Speaker 2>weren't designed to do, and that's live life on your own.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you surround yourself with people who are constantly

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<v Speaker 2>pointing you to Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's so good. And to that same point of

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<v Speaker 1>being closer to God's people than Chandler, we could also say,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you listening to? What are you watching? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what movies are you watching? What what comedians are you

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<v Speaker 1>going to see? What people are you hanging around at

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<v Speaker 1>work that are telling those jokes that you're laughing at

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<v Speaker 1>because you're kind of assimilating into that culture and away

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<v Speaker 1>from God's culture. So if you want to be closer

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<v Speaker 1>to God, there's exactly the question you asked. You want

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<v Speaker 1>to get closer to God, then Marshall's going to say,

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<v Speaker 1>get closer to his people, And in that aspect, you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to kind of start dislocating you know that joint

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<v Speaker 1>of where you are with the world, which is in

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<v Speaker 1>the music, of the culture and the movies, because you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna want to crave that less and crave his people

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<v Speaker 1>and his things and things that he loves more. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's how you get closer. This is not just God.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to say, how to get closer to this girl, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna start digging into the hobbies that she likes.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna start hanging out with her dad. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>start going to church with them on a Sunday morning.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how you're gonna get closer to her. So it

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<v Speaker 1>would be the same thing getting closer to God. It's

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<v Speaker 1>no different. It's a relationship. It's what Christianity is. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Something else that he said in there, I'm able to

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<v Speaker 2>go to church that fits around my schedule. Yeah, just

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<v Speaker 2>probably thinking through is what is in your schedule absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>vital for your life. So if it's, well, I'm out

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<v Speaker 2>really late on Saturday night, so it doesn't really work

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<v Speaker 2>for my schedule to wake up in the morning and

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<v Speaker 2>go or you know, i'd rather I know y'all talked

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<v Speaker 2>about sports on the last episode. You know, I'd rather

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<v Speaker 2>be doing sports on Sunday morning, and so that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>work with my schedule. It's what's on your schedule that

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<v Speaker 2>is absolutely vital to your life that would warrant you

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<v Speaker 2>missing church regularly, and so just getting not necessarily finding

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<v Speaker 2>a church that fits your schedule, but prioritizing gathering with

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<v Speaker 2>the people of God on Sunday morning may mean that

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<v Speaker 2>you need to reorient in your schedule. Yeah, and not

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<v Speaker 2>find a church that fits your schedule.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's good, that's good. And know that when you

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<v Speaker 1>try to do that, like we talked about with Bernie,

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<v Speaker 1>when you tried to do that, it's going to be uncomfortable. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to the world's going to go you're crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't miss this baseball game, or you don't you

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<v Speaker 1>don't miss this barbecue that me and the boys do

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<v Speaker 1>every Sunday morning at eleven am. That's what we do.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've always done Chandler, what are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not going to be easy, Yeah, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>that's how you get closer to God and that's where

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<v Speaker 1>your peace and your rest ultimately lie. So you're on

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<v Speaker 1>the right track. Man. I want to encourage you for

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<v Speaker 1>asking the right questions. Surprise, surprise, the next one says

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<v Speaker 1>Bible question. The email says, Hey, this is Elvin. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years old from Greenbrier County, West Virginia. What is

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<v Speaker 1>the difference when the Bible says Jesus Christ verse Christ Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>I love your book and I bought it one for

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<v Speaker 1>my dad. I hope you're having a wonderful day. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So more or less a translation question here. So Christ

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<v Speaker 1>is Messiah, Savior. So that's the title. In fact, you

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<v Speaker 1>said this in a sermon last Sunday. That's one of

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus's titles, is the Christ, the Messiah, the Savior. And

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<v Speaker 1>the Jews would really appreciate that title because they understood

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<v Speaker 1>that through their prophecy. So what you're saying, you're asking us,

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<v Speaker 1>how where do you put the title? And so it's

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<v Speaker 1>not that big a deal. And do you have any

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<v Speaker 1>to say about that if there's any weight to that

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<v Speaker 1>at all.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it doesn't matter the placement of it. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>signaling to the people, especially who knew the Old Testament,

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<v Speaker 2>that Jesus was the one that God had promised throughout

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<v Speaker 2>the entire Old Testament. So you could put in there

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus who is the Christ or the Christ who is Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you could move those at those in there

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of help with it, you're not changing who

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<v Speaker 2>he is or what's being said about him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, certainly you'll see it in different translations. You could

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<v Speaker 1>see each one translated differently in the same passage as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus Christ and Christ Jesus. Some people, some churches will

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<v Speaker 1>only say Jesus Christ. They will never say Christ Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't necessarily know the difference why people do that.

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<v Speaker 1>LDS Church is one. It's always Jesus Christ. They will

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<v Speaker 1>never say just Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not really sure why they would do that either.

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<v Speaker 1>But interesting call them it below if you know. The

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<v Speaker 1>next question, subject says, when is it enough? Eight years?

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<v Speaker 1>This is just going to start. This is how it starts.

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<v Speaker 1>Eight years single, thirty two years old. It's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>date in twenty twenty three. I don't want to waste

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<v Speaker 1>my time dating as I have tried. I have spent

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of money paying for dinners. I have not

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<v Speaker 1>been the best in past relationships or talking ships. He says,

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<v Speaker 1>as I shut down due to pass experiences, I fall

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<v Speaker 1>easily for women who actually give me attention. But I

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<v Speaker 1>have been burned so many times. I tend to think

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<v Speaker 1>more of the future. It's not worth talking to her

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<v Speaker 1>because of etc. Etc. I want a family and kids.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to keep the family name alive. I have

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<v Speaker 1>a huge belief in marrying before children. I am getting

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<v Speaker 1>older and my tolerance gets lower by the day. Is

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<v Speaker 1>there a thing that is there a thing that there

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<v Speaker 1>are more fish in the sea? Colon? Wait, this is

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<v Speaker 1>how you wrote it, man, or do you think overthinking

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<v Speaker 1>is too much? I read that exactly how he wrote it.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy's name is Taylor, and okay. Interesting. So thirty two,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, is not old, but you think it is.

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<v Speaker 1>And eight years single it's not necessarily a long time either.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's a perspective that we're gonna have to change

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<v Speaker 1>with you here. Is that the culture maybe you're hearing

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<v Speaker 1>from your world that thirty two is now you're getting

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<v Speaker 1>really up there and you're late in your years and

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<v Speaker 1>almost too late to ever find a wife, and your

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<v Speaker 1>family name is gonna go away. That's these are things

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<v Speaker 1>that's happened that are happening in your head right now.

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<v Speaker 1>But I hear a lot of cynicism. I hear a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of frustration from you that I got a feeling

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<v Speaker 1>is not just in this email. I got a feeling

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<v Speaker 1>this frustration is coming out in a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>other aspects of your life. So when I hear stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that, and in terms of you wanting to find somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>I always think you should try to be the person

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<v Speaker 1>that would attract the woman that you want. Because the

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<v Speaker 1>woman that you want that has this family with you,

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<v Speaker 1>and has your children and raises them as their mother,

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<v Speaker 1>and keeps the family name alive, and becomes that best

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<v Speaker 1>friend of yours, that first level of security of advice

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<v Speaker 1>in this relationship at home, that woman, whoever she is,

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<v Speaker 1>would she be attracted to this guy that you are

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<v Speaker 1>right now? This cynical? I'm impatient. I shut down because

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<v Speaker 1>of past relationships. I don't really like paying for dinners

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. That guy is the woman you want, the

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<v Speaker 1>mother of your children. I know you have her in

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<v Speaker 1>your head. Is she attracted to you the way you

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<v Speaker 1>are right now? I don't think so. Man, What do

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<v Speaker 1>you say to this guy Marshall?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean part of it when when you were

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<v Speaker 2>reading it, my word of caution to what he's saying

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<v Speaker 2>there were a lot of good things he said in there,

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<v Speaker 2>like he's a strong believer that you know, get married

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<v Speaker 2>before you have kids. Yeah, amen, do that, But you

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<v Speaker 2>want to make sure you're not looking at these women

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<v Speaker 2>as a means to an end. So it's it's not

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<v Speaker 2>I need to get married so I can pass on

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<v Speaker 2>my name and have kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Like what if the Lord in his.

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<v Speaker 2>Providence decides y'all can't have kids, You're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>have kids. The only thing that's going to get you

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<v Speaker 2>through that, apart from God's grace, is the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>you love the woman you're with and she wasn't just

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<v Speaker 2>a means to get the children or to pass on

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<v Speaker 2>the name.

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<v Speaker 1>And so.

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<v Speaker 2>While I think it's good to be thinking like can

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<v Speaker 2>I see myself marrying this woman and being the mother

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<v Speaker 2>of potential kids down the road, you don't want that

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<v Speaker 2>to be the sole reason you're with this woman. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you see yourself with her? Do you see yourself growing

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<v Speaker 2>with her? Can you see yourself leading her towards Jesus?

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<v Speaker 2>So just that would be the only word of caution

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<v Speaker 2>on top of what you said, is just sure don't

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<v Speaker 2>use her as as as a means to an end.

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<v Speaker 1>So what Marsha's saying is, imagine you're a dinner and

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<v Speaker 1>you're on a date and you're telling this woman, You're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>are you paying her me? Because I'm not really into pain,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm sorry, I got to admit that as I

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<v Speaker 1>get older, my tolerance gets lower and I'm really what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wanting is a mother to some children to carry

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<v Speaker 1>on my name. Like that sounds horrible, you wouldn't say that,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's that's what your thought is. And if that's

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<v Speaker 1>what you're thinking, and that's what you want, And Marshall's saying,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to caution against that because you could get

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<v Speaker 1>none of that and that's not attracting anybody that's worth anything.

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<v Speaker 1>And so yeah, to take all that digest a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit and then ultimately remember too that you're thirty two minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>You got a lot of time. Things could change like that.

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<v Speaker 1>You could meet someone tomorrow, be engaged in two months

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<v Speaker 1>and married in four months. Yea, this is not that's

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<v Speaker 1>not out of the ordinary for that to happen. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>doing good man. Let's get another one. Oh man, this

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<v Speaker 1>is one. See this subject life baptism of the Holy Spirit.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we go Hey, grangeur great talk. A couple of

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<v Speaker 1>weeks ago at Liberty. I attend Virginia Tech, but drove

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<v Speaker 1>ninety miles to see you speak and I love the message.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you man. My question to you is about the

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<v Speaker 1>baptism of the Holy Spirit. I am part of a

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<v Speaker 1>campus ministry at Virginia Tech and have encountered spiritual gifts

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<v Speaker 1>such as prophecy, words of knowledge, and speaking in tongues.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to hear if you believe in this too,

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<v Speaker 1>because you have mentioned that you came from a Baptist background,

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<v Speaker 1>which traditionally doesn't believe in these gifts. First scene and

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<v Speaker 1>acts too on the day of Pentecost, explain a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about the apostles being told by Jesus to wait until

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<v Speaker 1>he can send a helper, the Holy Spirit. Then on Pentecost,

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<v Speaker 1>a sound like a rushing wind came and they all

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<v Speaker 1>began speaking in o their tongues. Thanks for your time, brother,

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<v Speaker 1>and super excited about your path. I will be praying

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<v Speaker 1>for you. Carson Carson, thank you man. Thanks for driving

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<v Speaker 1>ninety miles. That's amazing. And shout out to Virginia Tech.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a really cool school. I've never visited, but every

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<v Speaker 1>time I see him on TV. They kind of remind

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<v Speaker 1>me of Texas A and M where I went. They're

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like minded in that way. So yeah, Baptism

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<v Speaker 1>and the Holy Spirit. Here's what I know, don't I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not a master on this at all, don't know a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>but let me tell you what I do know. In

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<v Speaker 1>the turn of the twentieth century in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a there had been a rise for about

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred years or so of liberal Christianity. Right. It's

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<v Speaker 1>where major doctrines, vital organ doctrines heard that today at

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<v Speaker 1>lunch were being compromised, and there was a like any

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<v Speaker 1>kind of rise of something like this liberalism, like in

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<v Speaker 1>the government or anything, there's always a conservative backlash. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's what happened in the twentieth century, the turn about

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen hundred or so, that was the rise of fundamentalism.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the rise of the Orthodox Presbyterians, the Pentecostals,

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<v Speaker 1>the Evangelicals in some of the way that we know

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<v Speaker 1>them as to be today. And the rise of those

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<v Speaker 1>usually had something in common. And all of those different

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of denominations are cultures, they all together they had

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<v Speaker 1>in common. Let's let's stick with doctrine, let's go with

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<v Speaker 1>what the word says, you know. The fundamentalist it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's do exactly what the Bible says, word for word.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we need to do, exactly that, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>so there's a good spirit about that, you know, And

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<v Speaker 1>I think we could all agree that there is a

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<v Speaker 1>there is a constructive spirit with that. But Pentecostalism, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I think it's the West Coast thing. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I think it grew in the West Coast and it

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<v Speaker 1>was like reading the Book of Acts literally, and so

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<v Speaker 1>this this rise comes and so kind of my point

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<v Speaker 1>is it's a it's fairly new, as as a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of these different denominations are fairly new. And the danger

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<v Speaker 1>of this, and in mind, this is just my opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>This could mean nothing to you, Carson. I'm not discounting you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying you don't speak in tongues. You're wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that anyone can't

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<v Speaker 1>speak tongues. Now, what I am saying is, I always

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<v Speaker 1>think we should caution ourselves when we get too far

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<v Speaker 1>into a thing that's outside of the Gospel. I believe

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<v Speaker 1>that with eschatology when we're talking about in times and

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about the rapture and people to get obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with the mark of the Beast and six six six

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<v Speaker 1>and and and I feel the same way when we

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<v Speaker 1>start talking about baptism of the Holy Spirit. Because as

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<v Speaker 1>I as I had my rebirth and kind of went

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<v Speaker 1>out into the world, a lot of people came to

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<v Speaker 1>me with their with their their their mentality of Christianity, like, okay, greater,

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<v Speaker 1>now that you've done that, here's what you need to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And I heard a lot a lot of people say,

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<v Speaker 1>now that you've been reborn, your next goal is to

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<v Speaker 1>seek wisdom and the baptism of the Holy Spirit. And

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<v Speaker 1>I remember when I first heard that. I first heard that,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, yeah, I love John three. I love

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<v Speaker 1>reading John three. Like Jesus says that the spirit's like

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<v Speaker 1>the wind, no one knows where it comes from or

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<v Speaker 1>where it's going. I love that. And everyone must be

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<v Speaker 1>reborn by the spirit to enter the Kingdom of God.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. I love that whole conversation with Nicodemus.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I come to find out, no, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>at all what they're talking about, not talking about anything

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus said about the Holy Spirit. So we do know

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about tongues. We do know that it's

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<v Speaker 1>made to edify the church. We could debate all day

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<v Speaker 1>about whether whether you need to speak tongues to be

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<v Speaker 1>a Christian or whether you need to have one of

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<v Speaker 1>these gifts to actually be a Christian. We could discuss that,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't want to. I want to instead just

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<v Speaker 1>caution and just say, let's worry about the gospel more

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<v Speaker 1>than any of that other stuff. The gospel meaning what

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<v Speaker 1>who Jesus is and what he did. And if we

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<v Speaker 1>lose sight of that, I think I think Jesus would

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<v Speaker 1>be like, what are you talking about? What? Why are

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<v Speaker 1>you worrying about this stuff? Why are you working worrying

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<v Speaker 1>about the baptism of the Holy Spirit? When I told

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<v Speaker 1>you what baptism is. What do you got for this, Marshal?

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<v Speaker 1>And I want to You're a pastor, so I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to stick you out on a limb here.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, no, you're good. I mean, one thing that

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<v Speaker 2>always comes to my mind when we actually talked about

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<v Speaker 2>this in Bible study last week that in Ephesians, Paul

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<v Speaker 2>talks about, you know, there's one Lord one Gospel, one baptism,

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<v Speaker 2>So there's not these two different baptisms according to what

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<v Speaker 2>Paul's saying there. And so, I mean, we believe that

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<v Speaker 2>you get the Holy Spirit when you're when you become

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<v Speaker 2>a Christian, when you're converted, like you have the Holy Spirit.

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<v Speaker 1>And so.

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<v Speaker 2>While we won't get into this stuff with the spiritual

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<v Speaker 2>gifts like you were talking about, one thing I will

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<v Speaker 2>say and you and you mentioned it briefly, is if

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<v Speaker 2>if your church practice those things, those are things, according

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<v Speaker 2>to Paul and First Corinthians, that were given to the

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<v Speaker 2>church for the building up of the church. So these

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<v Speaker 2>aren't things that are supposed to make you feel more

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<v Speaker 2>like you're a Christian. They're supposed to actually encourage other believers.

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<v Speaker 2>And so even if your position is to lean more

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<v Speaker 2>on spiritual gifts, it's not for your own encouragement or

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<v Speaker 2>your own affirmation of your faith. It's meant to encourage

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<v Speaker 2>other people in the church that you've covenanted with. And

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<v Speaker 2>so if that is your position, don't stress so much

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<v Speaker 2>on yourself when it comes to the spiritual gifts. But

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<v Speaker 2>if they're being used for others in the congregation.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's good. Yeah, And Pentecostalism. Also one of

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<v Speaker 1>the another reason it kind of rose to what it

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<v Speaker 1>is today is because people looked at the churches that

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<v Speaker 1>were too uptight and like doing congregational readings and standing

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<v Speaker 1>and sitting down at the same time, and they thought,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is this is a bad interpretation of

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<v Speaker 1>what a church is supposed to look like. So, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I have nothing, I have nothing against that. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>personality thing. I it's like, hey, we need to we

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<v Speaker 1>need to have a more loose, a more loose service.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to just flow with it. I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>any problem with that. But when you start looking at

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<v Speaker 1>other churches and saying you're not flowing with it. We're

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<v Speaker 1>flowing with it, but you're not. There's I heard a

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<v Speaker 1>guy today at lunch say, you could you can't catch

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<v Speaker 1>a bass with the same bait you use to catch

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<v Speaker 1>a catfish, And we could, we could looks could look

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<v Speaker 1>at the we could look a doctrine and and this say,

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<v Speaker 1>you can look at the the major denominations in a

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<v Speaker 1>similar way. You can't catch a bass with the catfish bait.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why they exist. But yeah, I hope that

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that answers the question. I think to sum

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<v Speaker 1>up everything we said is just caution about that becoming

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<v Speaker 1>the main thing, and then you lose track of what

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<v Speaker 1>really is the main thing, the Gospel of Jesus. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>take a break. Bear right back. A few weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 1>check it out and hopefully we have some of your

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<v Speaker 1>sizes left. And then also, if you have a copy

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<v Speaker 1>here with dear friend and also my pastor, Marshall Canalis

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<v Speaker 1>and were Amber and I are members at this church

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<v Speaker 1>we planted launched in October of last year, so not

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<v Speaker 1>even as we do this podcast as we record, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not even a year old yet, Nope, which is pretty neat.

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<v Speaker 1>I love this church and I'm so excited about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Love you and your family, and this church is different

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<v Speaker 1>than a lot of churches in a few different ways.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the things, one of the many things,

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<v Speaker 1>is we take membership very seriously. Why do we take

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<v Speaker 1>membership seriously at the mayis.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's biblical, and I mean there's multiple layers to it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So you could start with just the church leadership. So

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<v Speaker 2>Hebrews thirteen, it says that your elders, the pastors have

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<v Speaker 2>give oversight to your souls and are held accountable to

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<v Speaker 2>God for your souls. And so as elders, we want

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure we know who we're accountable for.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to make sure we.

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<v Speaker 2>Know who the Lord is saying, like, hey, you're responsible

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<v Speaker 2>over these souls. So there's that. Then also just the

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<v Speaker 2>reality that we need we mentioned this earlier. We need

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<v Speaker 2>the reality. We need other Christians in our lives who

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<v Speaker 2>will hold us to the confession that we have of

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<v Speaker 2>our faith, our profession that we have of faith in Jesus,

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<v Speaker 2>to call us out in our sin, but also encourage

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<v Speaker 2>us in our moments of weakness and constantly point us

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<v Speaker 2>back to Jesus, whether that's reminding us of the promises

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<v Speaker 2>of God in his word or reminding us of the

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<v Speaker 2>warnings that we find in God's Word. We just need

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<v Speaker 2>members who brothers and sisters in Christ who have decided

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<v Speaker 2>to covenant. We use that language of covenant with one

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<v Speaker 2>another because we think that's what's happening there in church.

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<v Speaker 2>Membership is the desire to be held accountable by other

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<v Speaker 2>people and desire to hold other people accountable and basically

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<v Speaker 2>signing up and saying I want you to speak into

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<v Speaker 2>my life and I want to speak into your life,

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<v Speaker 2>and we need to walk this Christian life together because

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<v Speaker 2>we weren't made to walk this as individuals. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>just me and Jesus. We said in a sermon somewhat

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<v Speaker 2>recently that when when Jesus saved you, it wasn't just

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<v Speaker 2>you and him. He saved you into a family. He

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<v Speaker 2>saved you. You get Jesus and his bride the church,

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<v Speaker 2>so you can you can't say I want Jesus but

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<v Speaker 2>reject his bride, like you can't be my friend. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna say I hate your wife, Yeah, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna work. And so we take membership seriously because it

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<v Speaker 2>is something that we see in scripture. Just assumed there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot going on in scripture where it's assumed that

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<v Speaker 2>these people have covenanted with other believers in local congregations

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<v Speaker 2>in their towns and are helping one another follow Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you see it all over First Corinthians five.

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<v Speaker 2>You have some wording of assuming there's some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>accounting of who is part of the church when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to church discipline. Case Hebrews three thirteen one another,

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<v Speaker 2>so long as it's called today, so lest any of

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<v Speaker 2>you be deceived by the deceitfulness of your own heart.

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<v Speaker 2>And so there's the push of if I am left

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<v Speaker 2>to just me and Jesus, I will not follow Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to follow my own way, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>need other people around me. And so the question is, well,

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<v Speaker 2>who do I have around me? Well, the people who

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<v Speaker 2>have asked to come around me by joining this local church.

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<v Speaker 2>And so not only do we see it as something

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<v Speaker 2>that's assumed in scripture, just makes sense when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>when you see how God has called us to live

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<v Speaker 2>the Christian life, especially when it comes to the one

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<v Speaker 2>Another passages. There's over sixty one another passages that you

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<v Speaker 2>can't do on your own, and most of them you

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<v Speaker 2>can't do unless somebody else has invited you in to

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<v Speaker 2>do those things, and we see those things lived out

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<v Speaker 2>in the local church.

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<v Speaker 1>And so what to the person that says, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>am a member, meaning I show up every Sunday. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know the pastor personally, and I don't really talk

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<v Speaker 1>to that many people, but I consider myself a member,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning I should just show up most Sundays.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's more of a consumeristic mindset, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a member here because of the things I can

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<v Speaker 2>receive from this. I like the preaching, so I receive that.

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<v Speaker 2>I like the music, so I receive that. I like

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<v Speaker 2>the size of this church, so I receive that. I

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<v Speaker 2>like the fact that I can get in and out

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<v Speaker 2>not have to really talk to anybody because I'm more introverted.

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<v Speaker 1>I like this.

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<v Speaker 2>So then that's everything you're receiving. Whereas what we see

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<v Speaker 2>in scripture is the life of the Christian is what

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<v Speaker 2>you can how you can care for other people. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>ax who's a.

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<v Speaker 1>Good example of this.

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<v Speaker 2>They devoted themselves to the apostles teaching and to prayer

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<v Speaker 2>and breaking of bread and being in one another's homes,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they made sure that nobody had lack of

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<v Speaker 2>anything again not meaning that they had to give up

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<v Speaker 2>everything and everybody had to live poor, but there was

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<v Speaker 2>a sense of they're making sure other people are cared for.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the mentality is not what is this church

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<v Speaker 2>offering me? But it's as long as this church is

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<v Speaker 2>offered me good gospel, solid teaching, where the scriptures are

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<v Speaker 2>regularly opened and preached, then I just need to be here,

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<v Speaker 2>and I need to pour into other people's lives and

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<v Speaker 2>trusting that I will have my life. The other people

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<v Speaker 2>will't pour into my life at this time same time.

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<v Speaker 2>And so church is not about what you can get

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<v Speaker 2>out of it, It's about Christ. And so if it's

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<v Speaker 2>about Christ, then all I want to make sure is

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<v Speaker 2>is He being proclaimed? Is He being exalted? Is He

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<v Speaker 2>being treasured? And is this church seeking to do that

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<v Speaker 2>together and hold one another accountable in that? And you

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned something about they don't know the pastors. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's absolutely vital to church. Being a church member is

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<v Speaker 2>you have to know your pastors, and your pastors have

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<v Speaker 2>to know you. If you're going to a church where

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have access to your pastors, I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's harmful to your soul. I mean, they're giving watch

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<v Speaker 2>over your soul, so they need to know you. You

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<v Speaker 2>need to be known by those who have oversight over

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<v Speaker 2>your soul. And so if you find yourself in a

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<v Speaker 2>church like that, I'm not going to say your church

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<v Speaker 2>is unbiblical or you should immediately leave. I think you

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<v Speaker 2>should try to get to know your pastors. But if

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<v Speaker 2>it is a situation where they are just impossible to

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<v Speaker 2>get in touch with, there may be a chance the

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<v Speaker 2>church may be too big. I know that sounds crazy

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<v Speaker 2>in today's culture. What do you mean the church is

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<v Speaker 2>too big? Is that possible We can chase that later

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<v Speaker 2>or something. But the church might be too big, or

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<v Speaker 2>I hate to say it, maybe the brother's not cut

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<v Speaker 2>out to be a pastor. I've heard it said a

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<v Speaker 2>ton of times that people really don't care how much

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<v Speaker 2>you know until they know how much you care. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's true. Your people need to know you

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<v Speaker 2>as a pastor.

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<v Speaker 1>And let me jump in real quick for people listening,

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<v Speaker 1>going easily said by a pastor. Yeah, but the way

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<v Speaker 1>that our church is set up is that we have

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<v Speaker 1>elders and Marshall Marshall is another one of the elders. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so he's not saying I'm the guy. He's saying,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm one of the guys that have been appointed as

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<v Speaker 1>a shepherd for the sheep. And we see over and

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<v Speaker 1>over in scripture the analogy of sheep and shepherd. So

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<v Speaker 1>can you imagine back to the conversation of not knowing

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<v Speaker 1>your pastor can you a shepherd not knowing one of

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<v Speaker 1>a sheep, and then the sheep either escapes or gets

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<v Speaker 1>out of the fence, or like, we have a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of goats here. I know these goats very well, and

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<v Speaker 1>they know me very well. And if one day one

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<v Speaker 1>of them I only have two, it's maybe a bad analogy.

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<v Speaker 1>But if I had many, I would know if one

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<v Speaker 1>of them was gone, and it had its head stuck

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<v Speaker 1>in the fence on the other side of the pasture,

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<v Speaker 1>or it had gotten its foot stuck somewhere, I would know,

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<v Speaker 1>and that sheep or goat would know that I'm coming

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<v Speaker 1>for it. So can you imagine that analogy? Not now

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<v Speaker 1>put that on top of this idea of not knowing

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<v Speaker 1>or having a relationship with an elder or a pastor,

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<v Speaker 1>however your church defines it, that would be strange and

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<v Speaker 1>in many ways unhealthy to both you and the elder,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I think that's what Marshall's getting at. Marshall's

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<v Speaker 1>not saying you have to be like me to be

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<v Speaker 1>a pastor, a guy that really cares. It's really not

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<v Speaker 1>that at all. This is it's a system. It's very

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<v Speaker 1>much a system. And so yeah, we need to probably

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<v Speaker 1>set up on this podcast. I know there are a lot

0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:09.319
<v Speaker 1>of people listening, and a major question that comes in

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<v Speaker 1>quite a bit is well, where do I find a

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<v Speaker 1>church like this? Yeah, So I just know that Marshall

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<v Speaker 1>and I have had conversations offline about this that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>will work in the future about setting some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of resource up for people to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to quickly go to. And I know we have listeners

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere that you could look and then pastors, I know

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:32.960
<v Speaker 1>pastors listen to this. Then pastors could talk to us

0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:36.880
<v Speaker 1>about being part of that network. So yeah, we're working

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<v Speaker 1>on these kind of things. Yeah, so important.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the echo Granger, I'm not saying you need

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<v Speaker 2>if you have five pastors at your church, you need

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<v Speaker 2>to know all five equally the same. That's not what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying. I'm saying you should at least have access

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<v Speaker 2>to the pastors now if you have one one guy

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<v Speaker 2>of those five who's not accessible to anybody, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's a problem. But because I think just the

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<v Speaker 2>pick sure of shepherding in Scripture is this idea of

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<v Speaker 2>you don't shepherd from above, you shepherd from among. The

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<v Speaker 2>shepherd needs to smell like the sheep, right, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>Acts twenty Paul's talking to the Ephesian elders and he says,

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<v Speaker 2>pay careful attention to all the flock that you're over,

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<v Speaker 2>and so there's a sense of, Hey, these these elders

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<v Speaker 2>in Ephesus have been charged to know all of their flock.

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<v Speaker 2>So even if you don't know all of your elders, well,

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<v Speaker 2>your elders should at least be able to know you

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<v Speaker 2>spiritually to some degree. And so there's that sense of

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<v Speaker 2>I think we have to ask ourselves as church members

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<v Speaker 2>because yes, I'm a pastor, but I'm still a church

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<v Speaker 2>member too, So our other elders are other pastors, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're using pastor elders. They're the same term in Scripture,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they're pastoring me. It's not like I'm kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the head honcho guy who just does everything and

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<v Speaker 2>knows everything that they they'll correct me, they'll encourage me,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll they'll shepherd me. And so I'm not some just higher,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm more spiritual than you are. It's just this is

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<v Speaker 2>this is the place where God has me right now.

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<v Speaker 2>That was affirmed by our congregation. So I am a

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<v Speaker 2>pastor of our church. I'm not a pastor overall. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't just go to another church and I'm automatically a pastor.

0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:18.720
<v Speaker 2>That church would have to affirm me as a pastor.

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<v Speaker 2>If that's what the Lord had.

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<v Speaker 1>So good and what we're talking about here is is

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<v Speaker 1>just so important. And I don't think it's talked about

0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:27.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot, but I get the I know it's important

0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:29.160
<v Speaker 1>because I get the emails all the time of how

0:37:29.160 --> 0:37:31.839
<v Speaker 1>do I get closer to God? How do I get

0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:34.520
<v Speaker 1>how do I increase my faith? How do I know

0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:37.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm saved? There's all kinds of questions like that that

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:41.280
<v Speaker 1>the answer typically is are you part of a church?

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Are you Are you part of a church where you

0:37:43.120 --> 0:37:46.239
<v Speaker 1>have access to the elders, where you're being You're you're

0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:49.560
<v Speaker 1>walking with the other sheep, You're walking with God's people.

0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 1>It's it's it's crazy, especially in the Covid age, when

0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:58.160
<v Speaker 1>we have kind of broken off into this idea that

0:37:58.560 --> 0:38:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I can get fed online with online church or arise

0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 1>with the Amber or the Granger Smith podcast. I could.

0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:08.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm fine, Like my spiritual nourishment is great because I

0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:13.799
<v Speaker 1>watch Billy Graham on YouTube and we're here saying that

0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:17.680
<v Speaker 1>the Book of Hebrews is saying don't neglect the gathering,

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:23.040
<v Speaker 1>because there is something about us gathering in person around

0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:28.240
<v Speaker 1>each other physically, not online, that is that is building

0:38:28.239 --> 0:38:31.320
<v Speaker 1>you up spiritually, and if you're not, it's actually tearing

0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:36.520
<v Speaker 1>you down spiritually, making you spiritually sick if you're not

0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:38.840
<v Speaker 1>around God's people. And so a lot of these questions

0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:41.440
<v Speaker 1>I could just say, are you around God's people? Are

0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:46.440
<v Speaker 1>you gathering weekly with them? And and and here, man,

0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:49.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting this get a little long. I'm sorry. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a fascinating topic and we should talk more about it.

0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:54.719
<v Speaker 1>But what we're not saying to there's a lot of

0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:57.439
<v Speaker 1>things we're not saying, And one of the things we're

0:38:57.480 --> 0:39:00.480
<v Speaker 1>not saying is being involved. Like there's a this idea

0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:02.640
<v Speaker 1>of how do I become more involved in my church?

0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:06.279
<v Speaker 1>This is such a common question, and what we're not

0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:08.239
<v Speaker 1>saying is, well, that means you need to be part

0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:10.719
<v Speaker 1>of the softball team, the men's softball team. That means

0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:14.040
<v Speaker 1>you need to be part of the potluck breakfast on Thursdays.

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:15.840
<v Speaker 1>That needs to be you need to be part of

0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:17.239
<v Speaker 1>this and this and this, and you need to be

0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:19.919
<v Speaker 1>part of the It's like, that's not what we mean

0:39:20.040 --> 0:39:23.359
<v Speaker 1>in being more involved. Like more involvement doesn't mean you're

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<v Speaker 1>a better Christian or higher spiritually on the hierarchy. In fact,

0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:29.759
<v Speaker 1>means you might just be a little more burn out

0:39:30.320 --> 0:39:32.960
<v Speaker 1>by Sunday morning. You might just be burnt out. And

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:36.000
<v Speaker 1>so that's that's not what we mean by become more involved.

0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:38.879
<v Speaker 2>I mean one of the things when we tell people

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<v Speaker 2>when they join the church is one of the most

0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 2>common questions we get is great, where going I serve?

0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:47.440
<v Speaker 2>Where's the most need for service at the church. And

0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:50.120
<v Speaker 2>we always tell people, hey, you'll probably get asked to

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<v Speaker 2>serve somewhere. We don't know where that is yet, But

0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:54.920
<v Speaker 2>your main focus for the first three to six months

0:39:55.520 --> 0:39:58.000
<v Speaker 2>should be just getting to know the congregation. So have

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<v Speaker 2>people over to your house for dinner, get together with

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<v Speaker 2>people for lunch.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine, go have coffee with people.

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<v Speaker 2>Get to know these brothers and sisters that you're covenanting

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<v Speaker 2>with in membership so that they can hold you accountable,

0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:10.920
<v Speaker 2>so you can hold them accountable. Again, doesn't mean you

0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:14.000
<v Speaker 2>have to know everybody to the same extent and depth,

0:40:14.120 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 2>but there is a sense of I'm responsible as a

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<v Speaker 2>church member for everybody in this church that I've covenanted

0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:23.480
<v Speaker 2>with and desired to come alongside in this And so

0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:25.880
<v Speaker 2>the best way you can serve the church is what

0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:27.920
<v Speaker 2>we tell people, is just getting to know the church

0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:30.520
<v Speaker 2>and to love the church. And then in that we

0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:32.759
<v Speaker 2>might ask you to serve on a team, or join

0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:36.120
<v Speaker 2>the softball team, or go to the potluck on Thursday mornings,

0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:39.600
<v Speaker 2>whatever it might be. But the first and most important

0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:41.200
<v Speaker 2>thing you can do is get to know the church.

0:40:41.320 --> 0:40:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Because if we had nothing else, if we didn't have

0:40:43.960 --> 0:40:46.080
<v Speaker 2>the softball team, if we didn't have the breakfast, if

0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:48.440
<v Speaker 2>we didn't have the Bible studies, and we just had

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday morning, the most important thing you need to do

0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:55.080
<v Speaker 2>is that you would know the church. And so we

0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:57.480
<v Speaker 2>need to prioritize that, and then the other stuff can

0:40:57.520 --> 0:40:59.799
<v Speaker 2>come along and help with that and equip you to

0:40:59.840 --> 0:41:03.360
<v Speaker 2>do that better. But that doesn't supplement or that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't take away from you needing to do those

0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:07.520
<v Speaker 2>things so good.

0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:10.000
<v Speaker 1>We haven't even brought up Lord Supper. We haven't even

0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:13.839
<v Speaker 1>brought up singing, worshiping together. But let me say one

0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 1>more thing, and I'm so sorry this is getting along.

0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:19.799
<v Speaker 1>We probably should have a conversation like this again because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure I'll get emails about it. But here's another thing,

0:41:21.960 --> 0:41:23.640
<v Speaker 1>and this is this is what's going on with the

0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:27.160
<v Speaker 1>listeners right now. They're thinking a lot of people are thinking, well,

0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:30.319
<v Speaker 1>that's great, Marshall Granger, that's cool. You're saying that that

0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:32.840
<v Speaker 1>we need to we need to know our pastors. But

0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:36.320
<v Speaker 1>our church is awesome because what we do is we

0:41:36.320 --> 0:41:39.840
<v Speaker 1>we have small groups and that accomplishes that that for you.

0:41:39.960 --> 0:41:43.240
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know my pastor personally or the elders personally,

0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:46.759
<v Speaker 1>that's okay because we have small groups and that's where

0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:50.040
<v Speaker 1>we actually grow, that's where we get discipled. What do

0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:50.680
<v Speaker 1>you say to that.

0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:54.560
<v Speaker 2>I would say, I need another episode for that. That's

0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:55.040
<v Speaker 2>a long thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Give me the short answer, because I know that's a

0:41:57.760 --> 0:41:59.680
<v Speaker 1>major thing going on. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>My pushback against that would be, you're essentially turning your

0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:09.719
<v Speaker 2>small group into your church. Then you don't find small

0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:12.560
<v Speaker 2>group anywhere in scripture. Now, that doesn't mean getting together

0:42:12.600 --> 0:42:14.840
<v Speaker 2>in small groups is wrong and you shouldn't do it.

0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:17.480
<v Speaker 2>We actually encourage people to get together in smaller groups

0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:20.680
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that. But if the church is leaning

0:42:20.719 --> 0:42:23.000
<v Speaker 2>on that, or you're leaning on that in order to

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<v Speaker 2>be known and to live out the one in the

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<v Speaker 2>other passages, you're kind of short changing what Jesus has

0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:32.239
<v Speaker 2>commanded of you as a Christian because you're now saying, well,

0:42:32.280 --> 0:42:34.440
<v Speaker 2>I really only have to do these things with these

0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:38.600
<v Speaker 2>fifteen people. That's not what Jesus has called you to

0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:40.440
<v Speaker 2>do as a member of a church. He's called you

0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:44.799
<v Speaker 2>to do that to the entire congregation. I mean, you

0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:47.440
<v Speaker 2>don't want your pastor to say, well, you know, I

0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:49.800
<v Speaker 2>really only pastor the fifteen people in my small group,

0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:53.560
<v Speaker 2>and hopefully your small group's doing okay, and you're gonna

0:42:53.560 --> 0:42:56.719
<v Speaker 2>make it like that's not what you want. You want

0:42:56.840 --> 0:42:58.640
<v Speaker 2>your Again, we want to push for pastors to know

0:42:58.640 --> 0:43:01.799
<v Speaker 2>their congregation. We want people to multiple people in their congregations. So,

0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:04.080
<v Speaker 2>and this is not to say that our.

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Church is perfect.

0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:07.399
<v Speaker 2>We know things like we have the most amazing church.

0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:10.279
<v Speaker 2>We are constantly trying to improve on how we do

0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:12.760
<v Speaker 2>things because we know we can be doing things better,

0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:15.360
<v Speaker 2>and we're always thinking through stuff. But there is this

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<v Speaker 2>sense of the reality we see in scripture is the

0:43:18.880 --> 0:43:21.600
<v Speaker 2>church as a whole knows the church as a whole.

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<v Speaker 2>There's not this smaller group becoming your sense of identity

0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:30.680
<v Speaker 2>as a Christian. Again, we do need to be in

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<v Speaker 2>smaller So like I'm closer with certain people in the

0:43:33.760 --> 0:43:35.480
<v Speaker 2>church the I am with other people. That doesn't mean

0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:39.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't that I love them differently. You can't know

0:43:40.000 --> 0:43:42.719
<v Speaker 2>everybody to the same depth and level. But there is

0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:45.279
<v Speaker 2>this sense of we're hoping all of our members have

0:43:45.360 --> 0:43:48.040
<v Speaker 2>the desire and heart to know more than just a

0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:52.080
<v Speaker 2>dozen people. And so that's kind of what we're pushing.

0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:54.720
<v Speaker 2>And so if you are leaning solely on your small

0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:57.560
<v Speaker 2>group for that, I would encourage you to go to

0:43:57.560 --> 0:43:59.919
<v Speaker 2>a different small group or get out a small group

0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:03.239
<v Speaker 2>and utilize Sometimes it's like, well, we have small group

0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:05.279
<v Speaker 2>every Tuesday night, and then we got kids soccer on

0:44:05.320 --> 0:44:07.560
<v Speaker 2>Monday night, and then we got Bible studying on Wins

0:44:07.560 --> 0:44:10.120
<v Speaker 2>and I'm running out of nights. It maybe will get

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<v Speaker 2>out a small group and use the Tuesday nights that

0:44:12.400 --> 0:44:14.239
<v Speaker 2>you had for a small group to invite a new

0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:16.640
<v Speaker 2>family from the church over for dinner. So again, you're

0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:18.800
<v Speaker 2>just gonna do a new family every week, and Tuesday

0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:20.640
<v Speaker 2>nights are just church family night where you're gonna have

0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:23.680
<v Speaker 2>a new family or two families over. That's one thing

0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:25.600
<v Speaker 2>we've tried to do in our house is have multiple

0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:28.160
<v Speaker 2>families over at once. So you're also helping other people connect.

0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:30.839
<v Speaker 2>And it's not just because one thing we don't want

0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:33.160
<v Speaker 2>people I got invited the pastor's house for dinner. Like,

0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:36.920
<v Speaker 2>we don't cook special food, we don't have special conversation.

0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:38.640
<v Speaker 2>We just we're gonna love you as a church member.

0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:42.160
<v Speaker 2>And so that would be my encouragement is don't lean

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<v Speaker 2>on your small group for that.

0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:45.320
<v Speaker 1>Because it also opens up a night that you could

0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:47.080
<v Speaker 1>evangelize to other neighbors.

0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:51.759
<v Speaker 2>That are And so yeah, again there's a lot more

0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:53.359
<v Speaker 2>I get saying on that. We just we just talked

0:44:53.360 --> 0:44:56.200
<v Speaker 2>to our entire church about this and spent multiple hours

0:44:56.239 --> 0:44:59.440
<v Speaker 2>talking through it over multiple q and as and stuff,

0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:02.399
<v Speaker 2>and so it's a much longer thing to talk through.

0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:05.680
<v Speaker 2>But essentially, don't lean on your small group to be

0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:08.480
<v Speaker 2>your church. That's not what scriptures called you to do.

0:45:09.160 --> 0:45:11.840
<v Speaker 1>I also want to say. This is not we're not advocating.

0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:14.160
<v Speaker 1>We're not saying come to a Maist church in georgetowntown.

0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:17.799
<v Speaker 1>What we're saying is there's probably somebody in your town,

0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:20.320
<v Speaker 1>wherever you are, that thinks the same way. Oh yeah,

0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:23.080
<v Speaker 1>there's a pretty good chance. Look at that. I mean,

0:45:23.120 --> 0:45:25.240
<v Speaker 1>I just literally pulled up the next question. It says,

0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Hello Grandeur, my name is Marina. I'm from Brazil, and

0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:31.759
<v Speaker 1>I like to say always listen to your podcast and

0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:33.759
<v Speaker 1>your music. I was born into a Catholic home and

0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:36.160
<v Speaker 1>a very loving home. My question is this, how do

0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:41.840
<v Speaker 1>I get closer to God? That's his question. Sometimes it

0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:45.160
<v Speaker 1>doesn't feel like he's listening to me. Greetings from Brazil, Marina.

0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:47.400
<v Speaker 1>So there you go. I'm not even we don't have

0:45:47.400 --> 0:45:49.400
<v Speaker 1>to answer that question because I believe we just did.

0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:54.640
<v Speaker 1>And Marshall would say, get closer to God's people would

0:45:54.640 --> 0:46:02.200
<v Speaker 1>be being closer to God himself. We don't have a

0:46:02.200 --> 0:46:04.480
<v Speaker 1>lot of time. But here's another one. Here's a subjectline.

0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:08.240
<v Speaker 1>It says scary Bible verses. That sounds fun. It's getting

0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:11.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of close to October. You know, Hey, Granger, thanks

0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:15.240
<v Speaker 1>for taking my email. I've been a longtime follower of Jesus.

0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:18.600
<v Speaker 1>But there are two verses in the Bible that contradict

0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:22.279
<v Speaker 1>each other, and one honestly scares the crap out of me.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you please help me understand them better? And the

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<v Speaker 1>first one is this, for everyone who calls on the

0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:30.120
<v Speaker 1>name of the Lord will be saved Romans ten thirteen.

0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:33.399
<v Speaker 1>And the second one is this, Not everyone who calls

0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:35.839
<v Speaker 1>out to me, Lord Lord will enter the Kingdom of heaven.

0:46:35.920 --> 0:46:37.879
<v Speaker 1>Only those who actually do the will of My Father

0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:41.160
<v Speaker 1>and Heaven will enter. Matthew seven twenty one. Thanks, I'll

0:46:41.200 --> 0:46:44.000
<v Speaker 1>look forward to hearing your thoughts. Please come to Minnesota

0:46:44.040 --> 0:46:47.760
<v Speaker 1>to preach soon. This comes from Carl. Thanks for the email. Carl,

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you, brother, and I think it's a good question.

0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:55.799
<v Speaker 1>And Matthew seven to twenty one is I agree with

0:46:55.840 --> 0:46:59.160
<v Speaker 1>you what I think is probably the scariest verse in

0:46:59.200 --> 0:47:02.680
<v Speaker 1>the entire Bible. I think there is a lot of

0:47:02.719 --> 0:47:08.440
<v Speaker 1>people that would agree. John MacArthur, the older pastor, started

0:47:08.440 --> 0:47:12.400
<v Speaker 1>his career some sixty years ago in his church preaching

0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:17.520
<v Speaker 1>that passage expositionally the very first time you ever preached.

0:47:18.120 --> 0:47:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Because it's it's not only scary, but it's also very

0:47:20.640 --> 0:47:25.000
<v Speaker 1>important and not a lot of time. But let's start

0:47:25.000 --> 0:47:27.520
<v Speaker 1>with the let's start with the first idea that you

0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:30.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of brought Carl, which, by the way, appreciate you brother,

0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:34.600
<v Speaker 1>thank you for the email, and thank you for really

0:47:34.640 --> 0:47:36.879
<v Speaker 1>walking through some some stuff that I think it's worth

0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:40.120
<v Speaker 1>talking about. But the first thing you said was two

0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:44.960
<v Speaker 1>verses that contradict each other. So so Marshall that that

0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:48.440
<v Speaker 1>come That word contradict comes up a lot, and it's

0:47:48.480 --> 0:47:54.040
<v Speaker 1>probably thrown out because it's it's a good it's a

0:47:54.040 --> 0:47:57.640
<v Speaker 1>good defense of atheism to say, well, the Bible contradicts itself.

0:47:57.640 --> 0:48:00.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't read it because it contradicts itself, and say

0:48:00.600 --> 0:48:03.600
<v Speaker 1>things like well, it never contradicts itself. It's just a

0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:09.560
<v Speaker 1>misunderstanding of it in context. And those two arguments just

0:48:09.680 --> 0:48:11.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of rub the wrong way. But maybe it's more

0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:19.680
<v Speaker 1>important to understand what contradiction means. A contradiction would mean that, well,

0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:22.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm talked about this. A contradiction would mean that two

0:48:23.080 --> 0:48:28.040
<v Speaker 1>opposing ideas are so opposite of each other that there

0:48:28.120 --> 0:48:33.319
<v Speaker 1>cannot be any way that they could ever agree. There's

0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:36.719
<v Speaker 1>no scenario on any side of the of the two

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<v Speaker 1>opposing forces. There's no possible scenario you could ever think

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<v Speaker 1>where they could possibly work together that is in fact

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<v Speaker 1>a true contradiction. It's very difficult to have a true contradiction.

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<v Speaker 1>And the same works with scripture and anything you think

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<v Speaker 1>contradicts itself. We could sit together for five minutes and go, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I could, I could could think of one way that

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<v Speaker 1>it could be not a contradiction, and so I would.

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<v Speaker 1>I would kind of, I would kind of counsel a

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<v Speaker 1>way from using that word. And I think, what And

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't mean it that way. You didn't mean it

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<v Speaker 1>from like an atheistic perspective. What you meant to say

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<v Speaker 1>was these two verses, they don't sound like they go together.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you help me with it? And I would to that,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say absolutely, And it's it's perfectly fine for

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<v Speaker 1>any of us, Marshall included to say, I don't really know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really know how that works together. But this

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<v Speaker 1>specific one we can, we can we can dig into

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<v Speaker 1>what do you say this we got in like four minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will

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<v Speaker 1>be saved great Amen versus not. Everyone who calls out

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<v Speaker 1>to me Lord Lord will enter the kingom of Heaven.

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<v Speaker 1>Amen to both of those.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean that first text is talking about

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<v Speaker 2>calling out on the name of the Lord for salvation.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's all those who who call out to Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>to save them from their sins, recognizing he is the

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<v Speaker 2>only they can be saved from their sins. There's nothing

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<v Speaker 2>they can do, there's no action they could do, there's

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<v Speaker 2>no no church, nothing the church could tell them to

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<v Speaker 2>do that would that would cause them to be saved

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<v Speaker 2>or secure their salvation. It's all those who are calling

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<v Speaker 2>on the name of Jesus alone for their salvation. That

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<v Speaker 2>that's that text. That's so that is absolutely true. And

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<v Speaker 2>so there's a difference between calling on the name of

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<v Speaker 2>the Lord for salvation and then calling out to the

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<v Speaker 2>Lord and on the last Day and saying hey Lord,

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<v Speaker 2>because if you keep reading that, it's Lord, Lord, didn't

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<v Speaker 2>we do all these things like look at look at

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<v Speaker 2>our track list, look at my resume? Didn't I do

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<v Speaker 2>all these things? And he's saying, yeah, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know you because you didn't call out on the name

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<v Speaker 2>of Jesus. You leaned on all this other stuff. You're

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<v Speaker 2>basically telling me to look at you and and aren't

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<v Speaker 2>you good enough to get in here, and he's saying, no,

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<v Speaker 2>you could do everything, all these you could have hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of good things you've done. But if that's what

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<v Speaker 2>you're leaning on for me to accept you on the

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<v Speaker 2>last day, then then then it's a fool's erin because

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<v Speaker 2>only the name of Jesus will save you. Yep, only

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<v Speaker 2>you trusting in Jesus. So those things aren't contradictory, those

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<v Speaker 2>things are They They actually work together really well by

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<v Speaker 2>saying you can only be saved by calling out on

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<v Speaker 2>the name of Jesus alone, nothing else, just just Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>can save you. But at the same time, there will

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<v Speaker 2>be people on the last Day when they're when they're

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<v Speaker 2>facing God for judgment, and he's gonna he's gonna basically

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<v Speaker 2>count them as unrighteous, and they're gonna say, but but Lord,

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<v Speaker 2>I never denied that you existed. I never denied that

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<v Speaker 2>there was a God. I'm not an atheist. And look

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<v Speaker 2>I did. I went to church, I served on the

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<v Speaker 2>on the the hospitality team.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was even a greeter.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I was there you know most Sundays. And

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<v Speaker 2>and I haven't told people about Jesus. And and he's saying,

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<v Speaker 2>but are you leaning on my son's name alone to

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<v Speaker 2>make you right before me. And if you were, were

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<v Speaker 2>you obeying him? So really, when we stand before the Lord,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not look at all these things I've done. It's God,

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<v Speaker 2>Please don't look at anything I've done. Yeah, only looked

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<v Speaker 2>at what Christ has done. That's what's Calling on the

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<v Speaker 2>name of the Lord looks like, yeah, is God. Pretend

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<v Speaker 2>that you don't see me, see Jesus. See Jesus and me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so good.

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<v Speaker 2>That's both of those working together there, Carl.

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<v Speaker 1>You could put a gun to someone's head and say

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<v Speaker 1>call on the name of the Lord and you'll be saved,

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll be like, the Lord, Yeah, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>so Obviously that's not what Paul means in Romans ten

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen that anybody of any kind of person that just

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<v Speaker 1>randomly says Lord, that's not what he means. Obviously, it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't take too much rational thought just to go of everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Those will be the people that are saved. If you're saved,

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<v Speaker 1>you will call. So that's what Marshall's saying. We're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>don't look at me, don't look at my track record,

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<v Speaker 1>look to Jesus. And I think that's a great way

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<v Speaker 1>to end this episode. Yeah, comment blow if you want

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<v Speaker 1>more in Marshall, I do for sure. I appreciate you

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<v Speaker 1>so much man, No, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>This is fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Man. I constantly y'all that hear you, hear me talking.

0:53:10.400 --> 0:53:14.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm constantly learning from Marshall day by day and h

0:53:15.000 --> 0:53:18.560
<v Speaker 1>And if you have a question maybe about your local

0:53:18.640 --> 0:53:21.920
<v Speaker 1>church or where to find one, stay engaged, stay in

0:53:21.960 --> 0:53:26.360
<v Speaker 1>touch with us, and we will Marshall with your Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry Canalis Marshall so C A N A L E.

0:53:31.280 --> 0:53:34.719
<v Speaker 1>S and Marshall look for us. Stay engaged. But we'll

0:53:34.719 --> 0:53:37.960
<v Speaker 1>have some kind of better idea of how to direct

0:53:37.960 --> 0:53:41.760
<v Speaker 1>people to churches. But that's something we'll continue to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>And sorry, I didn't get to a whole lot of

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<v Speaker 1>questions today, but but I appreciate all of y'all that did,

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<v Speaker 1>and I love you. We'll see you next Monday. Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>Yi