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Speaker 1: episode two hundred and eight, and I've got a first

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Speaker 1: time guest, longtime friend, first time guest, Marshall Canalis and

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Speaker 1: he's also my pastor at a Mais Church in Georgetown, Texas.

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Speaker 1: And the reason the reason I bring anybody on, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't just like bring on celebrities or or friends

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Speaker 1: because I like them. I really don't. I really use

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Speaker 1: this podcast and I I am very sensitive to it

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Speaker 1: because these are my people that have asked questions sensitive

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Speaker 1: questions sometimes sometimes this podcast, unfortunately, it's the only outlet

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Speaker 1: that they have. And so I choose people for this

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Speaker 1: that I would trust with my stuff. And that's you,

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Speaker 1: and that's Bernie, and that's Parker, and that's Chad. And

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Speaker 1: that's why it's a small group because if I'm like, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm going through something, let me and I've done this

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Speaker 1: before with you if I have something going on, what

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Speaker 1: give me advice in this situation? And you're one of

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Speaker 1: the wisest people I know in my life right now,

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Speaker 1: you are the one of the wisest people with the

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Speaker 1: best counsel. You are. You always have such a sound mind.

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Speaker 1: And I mean it's evident the Lord puts you in

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Speaker 1: my life at the perfect time when I needed someone

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Speaker 1: like you. And and so now I would love if

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Speaker 1: you would do the same thing you do for me

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Speaker 1: to so many on this podcast. So dude, I just

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that intro. Man, that's a lot to live

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Speaker 1: No, you just have to be yourself. And and so

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Speaker 1: everyone knows we don't have notes in front of us,

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Speaker 1: we don't have like famous Sea Lewis quotes on this table,

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Speaker 1: or we don't even have a Bible in front of us.

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Speaker 1: We can pull out our phones and look stuff up,

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Speaker 1: but we do that on purpose because we're not preparing

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Speaker 1: for these questions. Marshall doesn't know anything it's about to

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Speaker 1: come at him, and that way, it creates an atmosphere

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Speaker 1: something I've been going through And we'll say, yeah, let's

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Speaker 1: point you in the direction of where that answer might be.

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Speaker 1: That's our goal, and to do that, you just email

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Speaker 1: Grangersmith Podcast at gmail dot com and then we're going

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Speaker 1: to get into this you ready, ready, all right? Randomly,

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Speaker 2: probably thinking through is what is in your schedule absolutely

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Speaker 1: So we've always done Chandler, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: So if you could move those at those in there

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Speaker 1: flowing with it, but you're not. There's I heard a

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Speaker 1: So that's why they exist. But yeah, I hope that

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Speaker 1: com slash Granger Smith. Back to the podcast. Okay, sitting

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Speaker 1: here with dear friend and also my pastor, Marshall Canalis

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Speaker 1: and were Amber and I are members at this church

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Speaker 1: we planted launched in October of last year, so not

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Speaker 1: even as we do this podcast as we record, I'm

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Speaker 1: not even a year old yet, Nope, which is pretty neat.

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Speaker 1: I love this church and I'm so excited about it.

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Speaker 1: Love you and your family, and this church is different

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Speaker 1: than a lot of churches in a few different ways.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things, one of the many things,

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Speaker 1: membership seriously at the mayis.

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Speaker 2: Because it's biblical, and I mean there's multiple layers to it, right,

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Speaker 2: So you could start with just the church leadership. So

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Speaker 2: Hebrews thirteen, it says that your elders, the pastors have

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Speaker 2: give oversight to your souls and are held accountable to

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Speaker 2: God for your souls. And so as elders, we want

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Speaker 2: to make sure we know who we're accountable for.

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure we.

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Speaker 2: Know who the Lord is saying, like, hey, you're responsible

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Speaker 2: over these souls. So there's that. Then also just the

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Speaker 2: reality that we need we mentioned this earlier. We need

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Speaker 2: the reality. We need other Christians in our lives who

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Speaker 2: will hold us to the confession that we have of

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Speaker 2: our faith, our profession that we have of faith in Jesus,

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Speaker 2: to call us out in our sin, but also encourage

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Speaker 2: us in our moments of weakness and constantly point us

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Speaker 2: back to Jesus, whether that's reminding us of the promises

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Speaker 2: of God in his word or reminding us of the

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Speaker 2: warnings that we find in God's Word. We just need

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Speaker 2: members who brothers and sisters in Christ who have decided

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Speaker 2: to covenant. We use that language of covenant with one

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Speaker 2: another because we think that's what's happening there in church.

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Speaker 2: Membership is the desire to be held accountable by other

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Speaker 2: people and desire to hold other people accountable and basically

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Speaker 2: signing up and saying I want you to speak into

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Speaker 2: my life and I want to speak into your life,

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Speaker 2: and we need to walk this Christian life together because

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Speaker 2: we weren't made to walk this as individuals. It's not

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Speaker 2: just me and Jesus. We said in a sermon somewhat

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Speaker 2: recently that when when Jesus saved you, it wasn't just

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Speaker 2: you and him. He saved you into a family. He

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Speaker 2: saved you. You get Jesus and his bride the church,

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Speaker 2: so you can you can't say I want Jesus but

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Speaker 2: reject his bride, like you can't be my friend. If

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Speaker 2: you're gonna say I hate your wife, Yeah, it's not

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Speaker 2: gonna work. And so we take membership seriously because it

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Speaker 2: is something that we see in scripture. Just assumed there's

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Speaker 2: a lot going on in scripture where it's assumed that

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Speaker 2: these people have covenanted with other believers in local congregations

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Speaker 2: I mean, you see it all over First Corinthians five.

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Speaker 2: You have some wording of assuming there's some sort of

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Speaker 2: comes to church discipline. Case Hebrews three thirteen one another,

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Speaker 2: so long as it's called today, so lest any of

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Speaker 2: And so there's the push of if I am left

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Speaker 2: to just me and Jesus, I will not follow Jesus.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to follow my own way, and so I

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Speaker 2: need other people around me. And so the question is, well,

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Speaker 2: who do I have around me? Well, the people who

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Speaker 2: have asked to come around me by joining this local church.

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Speaker 2: And so not only do we see it as something

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Speaker 2: that's assumed in scripture, just makes sense when it comes

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Speaker 2: when you see how God has called us to live

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Speaker 2: the Christian life, especially when it comes to the one

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Speaker 2: Another passages. There's over sixty one another passages that you

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Speaker 2: can't do on your own, and most of them you

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Speaker 2: can't do unless somebody else has invited you in to

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Speaker 2: do those things, and we see those things lived out

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Speaker 2: in the local church.

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Speaker 1: And so what to the person that says, well, I

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Speaker 1: am a member, meaning I show up every Sunday. I

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Speaker 1: don't know the pastor personally, and I don't really talk

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Speaker 1: to that many people, but I consider myself a member,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's more of a consumeristic mindset, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: I'm a member here because of the things I can

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Speaker 2: receive from this. I like the preaching, so I receive that.

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Speaker 2: I like the music, so I receive that. I like

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Speaker 2: the size of this church, so I receive that. I

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Speaker 2: like the fact that I can get in and out

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Speaker 1: I like this.

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Speaker 2: So then that's everything you're receiving. Whereas what we see

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Speaker 2: in scripture is the life of the Christian is what

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Speaker 2: you can how you can care for other people. You know,

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Speaker 2: ax who's a.

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Speaker 1: Good example of this.

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Speaker 2: They devoted themselves to the apostles teaching and to prayer

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Speaker 2: and breaking of bread and being in one another's homes,

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Speaker 2: and then they made sure that nobody had lack of

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Speaker 2: anything again not meaning that they had to give up

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Speaker 2: a sense of they're making sure other people are cared for.

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Speaker 2: And so the mentality is not what is this church

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Speaker 2: offering me? But it's as long as this church is

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Speaker 2: offered me good gospel, solid teaching, where the scriptures are

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Speaker 2: regularly opened and preached, then I just need to be here,

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Speaker 2: and I need to pour into other people's lives and

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Speaker 2: trusting that I will have my life. The other people

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Speaker 2: will't pour into my life at this time same time.

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Speaker 2: And so church is not about what you can get

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Speaker 2: about Christ, then all I want to make sure is

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Speaker 2: is He being proclaimed? Is He being exalted? Is He

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Speaker 2: being treasured? And is this church seeking to do that

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Speaker 2: together and hold one another accountable in that? And you

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Speaker 2: mentioned something about they don't know the pastors. I think

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Speaker 2: that's absolutely vital to church. Being a church member is

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Speaker 2: you have to know your pastors, and your pastors have

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Speaker 2: to know you. If you're going to a church where

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Speaker 2: you don't have access to your pastors, I think that's

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Speaker 2: that's harmful to your soul. I mean, they're giving watch

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Speaker 2: over your soul, so they need to know you. You

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Speaker 2: need to be known by those who have oversight over

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Speaker 2: your soul. And so if you find yourself in a

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Speaker 2: church like that, I'm not going to say your church

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Speaker 2: is unbiblical or you should immediately leave. I think you

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Speaker 2: should try to get to know your pastors. But if

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Speaker 2: it is a situation where they are just impossible to

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Speaker 2: get in touch with, there may be a chance the

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Speaker 2: church may be too big. I know that sounds crazy

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Speaker 2: in today's culture. What do you mean the church is

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Speaker 2: too big? Is that possible We can chase that later

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Speaker 2: or something. But the church might be too big, or

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Speaker 2: I hate to say it, maybe the brother's not cut

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Speaker 2: out to be a pastor. I've heard it said a

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Speaker 2: ton of times that people really don't care how much

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Speaker 2: you know until they know how much you care. And

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Speaker 2: I think that's true. Your people need to know you

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Speaker 2: as a pastor.

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Speaker 1: And let me jump in real quick for people listening,

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Speaker 1: going easily said by a pastor. Yeah, but the way

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Speaker 1: that our church is set up is that we have

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Speaker 1: elders and Marshall Marshall is another one of the elders. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: And so he's not saying I'm the guy. He's saying,

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Speaker 1: I'm one of the guys that have been appointed as

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Speaker 1: a shepherd for the sheep. And we see over and

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Speaker 1: over in scripture the analogy of sheep and shepherd. So

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Speaker 1: can you imagine back to the conversation of not knowing

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Speaker 1: your pastor can you a shepherd not knowing one of

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Speaker 1: a sheep, and then the sheep either escapes or gets

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Speaker 1: out of the fence, or like, we have a couple

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Speaker 1: of goats here. I know these goats very well, and

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Speaker 1: they know me very well. And if one day one

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Speaker 1: of them I only have two, it's maybe a bad analogy.

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Speaker 1: But if I had many, I would know if one

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Speaker 1: of them was gone, and it had its head stuck

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Speaker 1: in the fence on the other side of the pasture,

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Speaker 1: or it had gotten its foot stuck somewhere, I would know,

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Speaker 1: and that sheep or goat would know that I'm coming

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Speaker 1: for it. So can you imagine that analogy? Not now

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Speaker 1: put that on top of this idea of not knowing

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Speaker 1: or having a relationship with an elder or a pastor,

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Speaker 1: however your church defines it, that would be strange and

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Speaker 1: in many ways unhealthy to both you and the elder,

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Speaker 1: and so I think that's what Marshall's getting at. Marshall's

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Speaker 1: not saying you have to be like me to be

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Speaker 1: a pastor, a guy that really cares. It's really not

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Speaker 1: that at all. This is it's a system. It's very

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Speaker 1: much a system. And so yeah, we need to probably

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Speaker 1: set up on this podcast. I know there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of people listening, and a major question that comes in

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Speaker 1: quite a bit is well, where do I find a

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Speaker 1: church like this? Yeah, So I just know that Marshall

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Speaker 1: and I have had conversations offline about this that maybe

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Speaker 1: will work in the future about setting some kind of

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Speaker 1: some kind of resource up for people to be able

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Speaker 1: to quickly go to. And I know we have listeners

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Speaker 1: everywhere that you could look and then pastors, I know

647
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Speaker 1: pastors listen to this. Then pastors could talk to us

648
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Speaker 1: about being part of that network. So yeah, we're working

649
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Speaker 1: on these kind of things. Yeah, so important.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the echo Granger, I'm not saying you need

651
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Speaker 2: if you have five pastors at your church, you need

652
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Speaker 2: to know all five equally the same. That's not what

653
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Speaker 2: I'm saying. I'm saying you should at least have access

654
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Speaker 2: to the pastors now if you have one one guy

655
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Speaker 2: of those five who's not accessible to anybody, and I

656
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: think that's a problem. But because I think just the

657
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Speaker 2: pick sure of shepherding in Scripture is this idea of

658
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 2: you don't shepherd from above, you shepherd from among. The

659
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: shepherd needs to smell like the sheep, right, I mean

660
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Speaker 2: Acts twenty Paul's talking to the Ephesian elders and he says,

661
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Speaker 2: pay careful attention to all the flock that you're over,

662
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Speaker 2: and so there's a sense of, Hey, these these elders

663
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Speaker 2: in Ephesus have been charged to know all of their flock.

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Speaker 2: So even if you don't know all of your elders, well,

665
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Speaker 2: your elders should at least be able to know you

666
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Speaker 2: spiritually to some degree. And so there's that sense of

667
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Speaker 2: I think we have to ask ourselves as church members

668
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Speaker 2: because yes, I'm a pastor, but I'm still a church

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Speaker 2: member too, So our other elders are other pastors, and

670
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Speaker 2: we're using pastor elders. They're the same term in Scripture,

671
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Speaker 2: and so they're pastoring me. It's not like I'm kind

672
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Speaker 2: of the head honcho guy who just does everything and

673
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Speaker 2: knows everything that they they'll correct me, they'll encourage me,

674
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Speaker 2: they'll they'll shepherd me. And so I'm not some just higher,

675
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 2: I'm more spiritual than you are. It's just this is

676
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Speaker 2: this is the place where God has me right now.

677
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Speaker 2: That was affirmed by our congregation. So I am a

678
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Speaker 2: pastor of our church. I'm not a pastor overall. I

679
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Speaker 2: can't just go to another church and I'm automatically a pastor.

680
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Speaker 2: That church would have to affirm me as a pastor.

681
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Speaker 2: If that's what the Lord had.

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Speaker 1: So good and what we're talking about here is is

683
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Speaker 1: just so important. And I don't think it's talked about

684
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Speaker 1: a lot, but I get the I know it's important

685
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: because I get the emails all the time of how

686
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Speaker 1: do I get closer to God? How do I get

687
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: how do I increase my faith? How do I know

688
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: I'm saved? There's all kinds of questions like that that

689
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 1: the answer typically is are you part of a church?

690
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Speaker 1: Are you Are you part of a church where you

691
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: have access to the elders, where you're being You're you're

692
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Speaker 1: walking with the other sheep, You're walking with God's people.

693
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Speaker 1: It's it's it's crazy, especially in the Covid age, when

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Speaker 1: we have kind of broken off into this idea that

695
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: I can get fed online with online church or arise

696
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: with the Amber or the Granger Smith podcast. I could.

697
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: I'm fine, Like my spiritual nourishment is great because I

698
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: watch Billy Graham on YouTube and we're here saying that

699
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Speaker 1: the Book of Hebrews is saying don't neglect the gathering,

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Speaker 1: because there is something about us gathering in person around

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Speaker 1: each other physically, not online, that is that is building

702
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: you up spiritually, and if you're not, it's actually tearing

703
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: you down spiritually, making you spiritually sick if you're not

704
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: around God's people. And so a lot of these questions

705
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Speaker 1: I could just say, are you around God's people? Are

706
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Speaker 1: you gathering weekly with them? And and and here, man,

707
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Speaker 1: I'm getting this get a little long. I'm sorry. It's

708
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Speaker 1: a fascinating topic and we should talk more about it.

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Speaker 1: But what we're not saying to there's a lot of

710
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Speaker 1: things we're not saying, And one of the things we're

711
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Speaker 1: not saying is being involved. Like there's a this idea

712
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Speaker 1: of how do I become more involved in my church?

713
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Speaker 1: This is such a common question, and what we're not

714
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Speaker 1: saying is, well, that means you need to be part

715
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Speaker 1: of the softball team, the men's softball team. That means

716
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: you need to be part of the potluck breakfast on Thursdays.

717
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: That needs to be you need to be part of

718
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: this and this and this, and you need to be

719
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Speaker 1: part of the It's like, that's not what we mean

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Speaker 1: in being more involved. Like more involvement doesn't mean you're

721
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Speaker 1: a better Christian or higher spiritually on the hierarchy. In fact,

722
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Speaker 1: means you might just be a little more burn out

723
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Speaker 1: by Sunday morning. You might just be burnt out. And

724
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Speaker 1: so that's that's not what we mean by become more involved.

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Speaker 2: I mean one of the things when we tell people

726
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Speaker 2: when they join the church is one of the most

727
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Speaker 2: common questions we get is great, where going I serve?

728
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Speaker 2: Where's the most need for service at the church. And

729
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Speaker 2: we always tell people, hey, you'll probably get asked to

730
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Speaker 2: serve somewhere. We don't know where that is yet, But

731
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Speaker 2: your main focus for the first three to six months

732
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Speaker 2: should be just getting to know the congregation. So have

733
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Speaker 2: people over to your house for dinner, get together with

734
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Speaker 2: people for lunch.

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Speaker 1: Imagine, go have coffee with people.

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Speaker 2: Get to know these brothers and sisters that you're covenanting

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Speaker 2: with in membership so that they can hold you accountable,

738
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Speaker 2: so you can hold them accountable. Again, doesn't mean you

739
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Speaker 2: have to know everybody to the same extent and depth,

740
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Speaker 2: but there is a sense of I'm responsible as a

741
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Speaker 2: church member for everybody in this church that I've covenanted

742
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Speaker 2: with and desired to come alongside in this And so

743
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Speaker 2: the best way you can serve the church is what

744
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: we tell people, is just getting to know the church

745
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Speaker 2: and to love the church. And then in that we

746
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Speaker 2: might ask you to serve on a team, or join

747
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Speaker 2: the softball team, or go to the potluck on Thursday mornings,

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Speaker 2: whatever it might be. But the first and most important

749
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Speaker 2: thing you can do is get to know the church.

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Speaker 2: Because if we had nothing else, if we didn't have

751
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Speaker 2: the softball team, if we didn't have the breakfast, if

752
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Speaker 2: we didn't have the Bible studies, and we just had

753
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 2: Sunday morning, the most important thing you need to do

754
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Speaker 2: is that you would know the church. And so we

755
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: need to prioritize that, and then the other stuff can

756
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Speaker 2: come along and help with that and equip you to

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Speaker 2: do that better. But that doesn't supplement or that doesn't

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Speaker 2: that doesn't take away from you needing to do those

759
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Speaker 2: things so good.

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Speaker 1: We haven't even brought up Lord Supper. We haven't even

761
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Speaker 1: brought up singing, worshiping together. But let me say one

762
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Speaker 1: more thing, and I'm so sorry this is getting along.

763
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Speaker 1: We probably should have a conversation like this again because

764
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Speaker 1: I'm sure I'll get emails about it. But here's another thing,

765
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Speaker 1: and this is this is what's going on with the

766
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Speaker 1: listeners right now. They're thinking a lot of people are thinking, well,

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Speaker 1: that's great, Marshall Granger, that's cool. You're saying that that

768
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Speaker 1: we need to we need to know our pastors. But

769
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Speaker 1: our church is awesome because what we do is we

770
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Speaker 1: we have small groups and that accomplishes that that for you.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know my pastor personally or the elders personally,

772
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Speaker 1: that's okay because we have small groups and that's where

773
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Speaker 1: we actually grow, that's where we get discipled. What do

774
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Speaker 1: you say to that.

775
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Speaker 2: I would say, I need another episode for that. That's

776
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Speaker 2: a long thing.

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Speaker 1: Give me the short answer, because I know that's a

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Speaker 1: major thing going on. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: My pushback against that would be, you're essentially turning your

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Speaker 2: small group into your church. Then you don't find small

781
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Speaker 2: group anywhere in scripture. Now, that doesn't mean getting together

782
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 2: in small groups is wrong and you shouldn't do it.

783
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Speaker 2: We actually encourage people to get together in smaller groups

784
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Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But if the church is leaning

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Speaker 2: on that, or you're leaning on that in order to

786
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Speaker 2: be known and to live out the one in the

787
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Speaker 2: other passages, you're kind of short changing what Jesus has

788
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Speaker 2: commanded of you as a Christian because you're now saying, well,

789
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Speaker 2: I really only have to do these things with these

790
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Speaker 2: fifteen people. That's not what Jesus has called you to

791
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Speaker 2: do as a member of a church. He's called you

792
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Speaker 2: to do that to the entire congregation. I mean, you

793
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Speaker 2: don't want your pastor to say, well, you know, I

794
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Speaker 2: really only pastor the fifteen people in my small group,

795
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Speaker 2: and hopefully your small group's doing okay, and you're gonna

796
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Speaker 2: make it like that's not what you want. You want

797
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Speaker 2: your Again, we want to push for pastors to know

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Speaker 2: their congregation. We want people to multiple people in their congregations. So,

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Speaker 2: and this is not to say that our.

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Speaker 1: Church is perfect.

801
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Speaker 2: We know things like we have the most amazing church.

802
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: We are constantly trying to improve on how we do

803
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 2: things because we know we can be doing things better,

804
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 2: and we're always thinking through stuff. But there is this

805
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 2: sense of the reality we see in scripture is the

806
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: church as a whole knows the church as a whole.

807
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Speaker 2: There's not this smaller group becoming your sense of identity

808
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Speaker 2: as a Christian. Again, we do need to be in

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Speaker 2: smaller So like I'm closer with certain people in the

810
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Speaker 2: church the I am with other people. That doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: I don't that I love them differently. You can't know

812
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 2: everybody to the same depth and level. But there is

813
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Speaker 2: this sense of we're hoping all of our members have

814
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Speaker 2: the desire and heart to know more than just a

815
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Speaker 2: dozen people. And so that's kind of what we're pushing.

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Speaker 2: And so if you are leaning solely on your small

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Speaker 2: group for that, I would encourage you to go to

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Speaker 2: a different small group or get out a small group

819
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Speaker 2: and utilize Sometimes it's like, well, we have small group

820
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Speaker 2: every Tuesday night, and then we got kids soccer on

821
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Speaker 2: Monday night, and then we got Bible studying on Wins

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Speaker 2: and I'm running out of nights. It maybe will get

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Speaker 2: out a small group and use the Tuesday nights that

824
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Speaker 2: you had for a small group to invite a new

825
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: family from the church over for dinner. So again, you're

826
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Speaker 2: just gonna do a new family every week, and Tuesday

827
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Speaker 2: nights are just church family night where you're gonna have

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Speaker 2: a new family or two families over. That's one thing

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Speaker 2: we've tried to do in our house is have multiple

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Speaker 2: families over at once. So you're also helping other people connect.

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Speaker 2: And it's not just because one thing we don't want

832
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Speaker 2: people I got invited the pastor's house for dinner. Like,

833
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: we don't cook special food, we don't have special conversation.

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Speaker 2: We just we're gonna love you as a church member.

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Speaker 2: And so that would be my encouragement is don't lean

836
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Speaker 2: on your small group for that.

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Speaker 1: Because it also opens up a night that you could

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Speaker 1: evangelize to other neighbors.

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Speaker 2: That are And so yeah, again there's a lot more

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Speaker 2: I get saying on that. We just we just talked

841
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Speaker 2: to our entire church about this and spent multiple hours

842
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 2: talking through it over multiple q and as and stuff,

843
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 2: and so it's a much longer thing to talk through.

844
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Speaker 2: But essentially, don't lean on your small group to be

845
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Speaker 2: your church. That's not what scriptures called you to do.

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Speaker 1: I also want to say. This is not we're not advocating.

847
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Speaker 1: We're not saying come to a Maist church in georgetowntown.

848
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Speaker 1: What we're saying is there's probably somebody in your town,

849
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: wherever you are, that thinks the same way. Oh yeah,

850
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Speaker 1: there's a pretty good chance. Look at that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just literally pulled up the next question. It says,

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Speaker 1: Hello Grandeur, my name is Marina. I'm from Brazil, and

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Speaker 1: I like to say always listen to your podcast and

854
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: your music. I was born into a Catholic home and

855
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Speaker 1: a very loving home. My question is this, how do

856
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Speaker 1: I get closer to God? That's his question. Sometimes it

857
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Speaker 1: doesn't feel like he's listening to me. Greetings from Brazil, Marina.

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Speaker 1: So there you go. I'm not even we don't have

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Speaker 1: to answer that question because I believe we just did.

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Speaker 1: And Marshall would say, get closer to God's people would

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Speaker 1: be being closer to God himself. We don't have a

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Speaker 1: lot of time. But here's another one. Here's a subjectline.

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Speaker 1: It says scary Bible verses. That sounds fun. It's getting

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Speaker 1: kind of close to October. You know, Hey, Granger, thanks

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Speaker 1: for taking my email. I've been a longtime follower of Jesus.

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Speaker 1: But there are two verses in the Bible that contradict

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Speaker 1: each other, and one honestly scares the crap out of me.

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Speaker 1: Can you please help me understand them better? And the

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Speaker 1: first one is this, for everyone who calls on the

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Speaker 1: name of the Lord will be saved Romans ten thirteen.

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Speaker 1: And the second one is this, Not everyone who calls

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Speaker 1: out to me, Lord Lord will enter the Kingdom of heaven.

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Speaker 1: Only those who actually do the will of My Father

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Speaker 1: and Heaven will enter. Matthew seven twenty one. Thanks, I'll

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Speaker 1: look forward to hearing your thoughts. Please come to Minnesota

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Speaker 1: to preach soon. This comes from Carl. Thanks for the email. Carl,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you, brother, and I think it's a good question.

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Speaker 1: And Matthew seven to twenty one is I agree with

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Speaker 1: you what I think is probably the scariest verse in

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Speaker 1: the entire Bible. I think there is a lot of

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Speaker 1: people that would agree. John MacArthur, the older pastor, started

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Speaker 1: his career some sixty years ago in his church preaching

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Speaker 1: that passage expositionally the very first time you ever preached.

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Speaker 1: Because it's it's not only scary, but it's also very

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Speaker 1: important and not a lot of time. But let's start

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Speaker 1: with the let's start with the first idea that you

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Speaker 1: kind of brought Carl, which, by the way, appreciate you brother,

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Speaker 1: thank you for the email, and thank you for really

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Speaker 1: walking through some some stuff that I think it's worth

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Speaker 1: talking about. But the first thing you said was two

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Speaker 1: verses that contradict each other. So so Marshall that that

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Speaker 1: come That word contradict comes up a lot, and it's

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Speaker 1: probably thrown out because it's it's a good it's a

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Speaker 1: good defense of atheism to say, well, the Bible contradicts itself.

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Speaker 1: I don't read it because it contradicts itself, and say

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Speaker 1: things like well, it never contradicts itself. It's just a

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Speaker 1: misunderstanding of it in context. And those two arguments just

898
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Speaker 1: kind of rub the wrong way. But maybe it's more

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Speaker 1: important to understand what contradiction means. A contradiction would mean that, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm talked about this. A contradiction would mean that two

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Speaker 1: opposing ideas are so opposite of each other that there

902
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Speaker 1: cannot be any way that they could ever agree. There's

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Speaker 1: no scenario on any side of the of the two

904
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Speaker 1: opposing forces. There's no possible scenario you could ever think

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Speaker 1: where they could possibly work together that is in fact

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Speaker 1: a true contradiction. It's very difficult to have a true contradiction.

907
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Speaker 1: And the same works with scripture and anything you think

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Speaker 1: contradicts itself. We could sit together for five minutes and go, well,

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Speaker 1: I could, I could could think of one way that

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Speaker 1: it could be not a contradiction, and so I would.

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Speaker 1: I would kind of, I would kind of counsel a

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Speaker 1: way from using that word. And I think, what And

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Speaker 1: you didn't mean it that way. You didn't mean it

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Speaker 1: from like an atheistic perspective. What you meant to say

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Speaker 1: was these two verses, they don't sound like they go together.

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Speaker 1: Can you help me with it? And I would to that,

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Speaker 1: I would say absolutely, And it's it's perfectly fine for

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Speaker 1: any of us, Marshall included to say, I don't really know,

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Speaker 1: I don't really know how that works together. But this

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Speaker 1: specific one we can, we can we can dig into

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Speaker 1: what do you say this we got in like four minutes.

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Speaker 1: Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will

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Speaker 1: be saved great Amen versus not. Everyone who calls out

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Speaker 1: to me Lord Lord will enter the kingom of Heaven.

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Speaker 1: Amen to both of those.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that first text is talking about

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Speaker 2: calling out on the name of the Lord for salvation.

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Speaker 2: So it's all those who who call out to Jesus

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Speaker 2: to save them from their sins, recognizing he is the

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Speaker 2: only they can be saved from their sins. There's nothing

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Speaker 2: they can do, there's no action they could do, there's

932
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Speaker 2: no no church, nothing the church could tell them to

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Speaker 2: do that would that would cause them to be saved

934
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Speaker 2: or secure their salvation. It's all those who are calling

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Speaker 2: on the name of Jesus alone for their salvation. That

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Speaker 2: that's that text. That's so that is absolutely true. And

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Speaker 2: so there's a difference between calling on the name of

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Speaker 2: the Lord for salvation and then calling out to the

939
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Speaker 2: Lord and on the last Day and saying hey Lord,

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Speaker 2: because if you keep reading that, it's Lord, Lord, didn't

941
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Speaker 2: we do all these things like look at look at

942
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Speaker 2: our track list, look at my resume? Didn't I do

943
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Speaker 2: all these things? And he's saying, yeah, but I don't

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Speaker 2: know you because you didn't call out on the name

945
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Speaker 2: of Jesus. You leaned on all this other stuff. You're

946
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Speaker 2: basically telling me to look at you and and aren't

947
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Speaker 2: you good enough to get in here, and he's saying, no,

948
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Speaker 2: you could do everything, all these you could have hundreds

949
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Speaker 2: thousands of good things you've done. But if that's what

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Speaker 2: you're leaning on for me to accept you on the

951
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Speaker 2: last day, then then then it's a fool's erin because

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Speaker 2: only the name of Jesus will save you. Yep, only

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Speaker 2: you trusting in Jesus. So those things aren't contradictory, those

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Speaker 2: things are They They actually work together really well by

955
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Speaker 2: saying you can only be saved by calling out on

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Speaker 2: the name of Jesus alone, nothing else, just just Jesus

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Speaker 2: can save you. But at the same time, there will

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Speaker 2: be people on the last Day when they're when they're

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Speaker 2: facing God for judgment, and he's gonna he's gonna basically

960
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Speaker 2: count them as unrighteous, and they're gonna say, but but Lord,

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Speaker 2: I never denied that you existed. I never denied that

962
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Speaker 2: there was a God. I'm not an atheist. And look

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Speaker 2: I did. I went to church, I served on the

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Speaker 2: on the the hospitality team.

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Speaker 1: And I was even a greeter.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I was there you know most Sundays. And

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Speaker 2: and I haven't told people about Jesus. And and he's saying,

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Speaker 2: but are you leaning on my son's name alone to

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Speaker 2: make you right before me. And if you were, were

970
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Speaker 2: you obeying him? So really, when we stand before the Lord,

971
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Speaker 2: it's not look at all these things I've done. It's God,

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Speaker 2: Please don't look at anything I've done. Yeah, only looked

973
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Speaker 2: at what Christ has done. That's what's Calling on the

974
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Speaker 2: name of the Lord looks like, yeah, is God. Pretend

975
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Speaker 2: that you don't see me, see Jesus. See Jesus and me.

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Speaker 1: That's so good.

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Speaker 2: That's both of those working together there, Carl.

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Speaker 1: You could put a gun to someone's head and say

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Speaker 1: call on the name of the Lord and you'll be saved,

980
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Speaker 1: and they'll be like, the Lord, Yeah, you know, it's

981
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Speaker 1: so Obviously that's not what Paul means in Romans ten

982
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Speaker 1: thirteen that anybody of any kind of person that just

983
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Speaker 1: randomly says Lord, that's not what he means. Obviously, it

984
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Speaker 1: doesn't take too much rational thought just to go of everyone.

985
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Speaker 1: Those will be the people that are saved. If you're saved,

986
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Speaker 1: you will call. So that's what Marshall's saying. We're saying,

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Speaker 1: don't look at me, don't look at my track record,

988
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Speaker 1: look to Jesus. And I think that's a great way

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Speaker 1: to end this episode. Yeah, comment blow if you want

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Speaker 1: more in Marshall, I do for sure. I appreciate you

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Speaker 1: so much man, No, thank you.

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Speaker 2: This is fun.

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Speaker 1: Man. I constantly y'all that hear you, hear me talking.

994
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Speaker 1: I'm constantly learning from Marshall day by day and h

995
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Speaker 1: And if you have a question maybe about your local

996
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: church or where to find one, stay engaged, stay in

997
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: touch with us, and we will Marshall with your Instagram.

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Speaker 2: Sorry Canalis Marshall so C A N A L E.

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Speaker 1: S and Marshall look for us. Stay engaged. But we'll

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Speaker 1: have some kind of better idea of how to direct

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Speaker 1: people to churches. But that's something we'll continue to talk about.

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Speaker 1: And sorry, I didn't get to a whole lot of

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Speaker 1: questions today, but but I appreciate all of y'all that did,

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Speaker 1: and I love you. We'll see you next Monday. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining me on the Grangersmith podcast. I appreciate all

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