1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: The volume. Hi, everybody, We're going to have a great 2 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: forty minute Colin Coward podcast today Jason timp hoops Tonight, 3 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about Warriors, Kings, Warriors, Lakers, give 4 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: some love to the Knicks and the Heat series and 5 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: where do we put Steph as best player in the 6 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: league that category? Now? Has he surpassed Yannis who had 7 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: a clunker in his series? But I wanted to talk 8 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: specifically about Steph Curry. So you never really know at 9 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 1: the time how a player will age Historically. I'll give 10 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: you an example. At the time, a Joe Namath or 11 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: a Brett farv is viewed as an all time talent, 12 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: but the gunslinger label because there are so many players 13 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: Aaron Roddy, Tom Brady, Mahomes Burrow that play at such 14 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: a highly efficient level, that gunslinger quarterback looks like dumb football. 15 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: It's just not efficient enough. And so Joe Namath, who 16 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: had more interceptions than touchdowns, it's not really discussed as 17 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: an all time great quarterback, which was unthinkable when he retired. 18 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: Brett Farvre doesn't really feel like a top ten quarterback. 19 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: Top ten iconic, top ten, most popular, Yes, top ten 20 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 1: all time quarterback, just not efficient enough, too many mistakes. 21 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: He's not even the best Green Bay quarterback ever, Aaron 22 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: Rodgers is. So you never really know how a player 23 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: in his prime is going to age. And so when 24 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: I look at the all time starting five in NBA history, 25 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: I've always felt it's Magic at the point, Michael Jordan 26 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: at the two, Lebron at the three, Larry Bird the 27 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: other forward, and Kareem Abulo Jabbar. Michael did everything well, 28 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: Lebron does everything well, and Kareem similarly, was a dominant defender, 29 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: a dominant scorer, and I always thought Magic was really 30 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: going to be virtually impossible to replace. But unlike Michael, 31 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: Magic was not a great defender. He was not a 32 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: great scorer. He had a very short career. And I 33 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: think if you look at basketball over the next one 34 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:27,119 Speaker 1: hundred years and beyond, the three point shot makes Magic 35 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: less significant. Two things Magic had that were unique. One 36 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: his sheer size. But now Jannis brings the ball up 37 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: the court. Jokic is a point center. Kevin Durant can 38 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: handle the ball. At the time, a six ' eight 39 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: point guard felt like one of one all time, such 40 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: a unicorn, so unique. Everybody handles the ball now, so 41 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: over the test of time, that's not a unique scar 42 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: gill by Magic. Secondly, Magic was not a great shooter, 43 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 1: certainly not a great three point shooter. You really need 44 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: to be and if you aren't Michael Jordan, then you 45 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: have to be great at other things. Michael was the 46 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: best on ball defender in the league, the best score 47 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: the best mid range player, the most relentless player, the 48 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: greatest effort, the best player in crisis or clutch situations. 49 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: Michael did so many things well. He over the test 50 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: of time, age is better. Lebron halfway through his career 51 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: became a much better perimeter shooter. He agedes well. We 52 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: don't expect our centers to be great three point shooters, 53 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: but Kareem was a dominant offensive and defensive standard in 54 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: the league in his prime for ten to fifteen years. 55 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: I think Steph Curry and Magic. Now, if I have 56 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: to size him up, if you take the Finals MVP 57 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: from Steph and the fifty point performance in Game seven, 58 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: I think there's a valid argument Steph's the greatest point 59 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: guard of all time. He's a much greater scorer than Magic. 60 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: He's a much greater offensive player than Magic. Johnson a 61 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: terrific ball handler. Neither are great defenders. It's not that 62 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: Magic doesn't age well, but he doesn't age as well 63 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: as other stars because Magic was never a great defensive player. 64 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: He was never a great score his ability to do 65 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: many things. He could def he could play center, he 66 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: could play forward. It's not that he couldn't score, but 67 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: the most important thing in basketball has always been putting 68 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,239 Speaker 1: the ball in the basket. That's why Lebron and Larry 69 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,799 Speaker 1: Bird and Kareem and Michael Jordan are in that starting five. 70 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: And I just I look at Steph Curry and it's 71 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: not just that he's a great scorer. He's the greatest 72 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: shooter of all time. That now is just that is 73 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: game changing. Magic didn't change the game. He was just 74 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: uniquely gifted. Hasn't really changed the game. He's just uniquely gifted. 75 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: Steph has changed the game. So when you add that 76 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: component that he's literally revolutionized the sport aau high school, college, 77 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: pro basketball, international basketball with a three point shot. If 78 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: I had to choose an all time team, I think 79 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: I choose Steph Curry. I know it feels hyperbolic, but 80 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: not everybody ages perfectly. Magic had a very short career. 81 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: Steph's career is longer. Steph won pre KD with KD 82 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: post KD at this age. To drop fifty in a 83 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: game seven, to reduce Daron Fox, Klay, Thompson, Wiggins, Draymond Green, 84 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: Sabonis to bystanders looked like rotational players in that second 85 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: half is all time stuff. And this sounds like Colin 86 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: you're overreacting. But if you take the MVP of the 87 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: Finals last year and that stuff matters probably more than 88 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: it should, and you combine it with this, I think 89 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: over the course of time, we're gonna look at basketball 90 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: as two different sports. Pre three, post three, and post 91 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: three is never relinquishing. It's important to pre three. That's jurassic. 92 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: That's dinosaur basketball. Nobody cares about it. Gunslinger for quarterback 93 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: is dinosaur football. It's not going to age well and 94 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: Farv and Magic are both all time talents. But I 95 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: don't know how you watch basketball going forward the last 96 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,239 Speaker 1: twelve years forward and not consider Steph Curry the most 97 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: lethal and dangerous and gifted point guard of all time. 98 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: And because of the way he plays, he's got four 99 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: five more years, three more peak years, four five or 100 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: six more years. It's going to be a longer career 101 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: than Magic Johnson. I think Steph to me feels like 102 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: the best point guard in the history of the sport. 103 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: The NBA Playoffs are upon us. Twenty teams get in 104 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: all trying to get that one crown. 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Now my go 123 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: to NBA guy. I got Draymond playing, Timph talking, and 124 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: I love both as well as, by the way, Jenkins 125 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: and Jones, who are culturally hysterically funny, and we love them. 126 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: That was I think that was the first of the 127 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: second podcasts I ever found Jenkins and Jones. So let's 128 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: start with this with Yannis being reduced to bully ball, 129 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: being liability at the end of that series, didn't want 130 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: to shoot, almost seems scared to get the ball, missed 131 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: thirteen free throws. We have kind of believed for the 132 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 1: last two years he's the best player in the league. 133 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 1: But if Steph with a fifty pointer in Game seven 134 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: gets to the finals again, where he's really in the 135 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: world of basketball as we know it now he's a 136 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: limitless player. Mid range floaters at the glass, three point 137 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: unlimited range. Do we have to go back and say, listen, 138 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: we've got to have a real discussion here. Is that 139 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: as good as Jannis is, he can be defended. You 140 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: can barricade, you can do you know, what Miami did 141 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: build a wall, go ahead. I think the combination of 142 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: Jannis's rough series and what Steph Curry did against Sacramento, 143 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: I think that's a legitimate discussion. I think, literally, Steph Curry, Jason, 144 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: you know somebody's great when among other great players they 145 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: feel small. Darren Fox smelt felt insignificant. I mean, he 146 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: looked like a rotational player in the second half of 147 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: this game. That's how great Steph was. Andrew Wiggins looked 148 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: like a rotational player. That was one of the best 149 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: Game sevens I've ever seen. It may have been the 150 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: best Game seven I've ever seen. So your thoughts on 151 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: the Yannis argument, is Steph in the world we know 152 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: this three point game, Is he now the best player 153 00:10:58,400 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: in the world. 154 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 2: Well, there's a bunch of guys that are all at 155 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: a pretty similar level, and I don't think anybody's wrong 156 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 2: for picking one or the other. I have a certain 157 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 2: system that I use. I'm going to prioritize playoff success. 158 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 2: I couldn't care less about raising the regular season floor 159 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: if you can't succeed in the playoff stage. You know 160 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 2: what I mean, And I mean we're seeing this again 161 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 2: with Joel embiid where it's like he just had another 162 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 2: great season, but his body just can't hold up under 163 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 2: the physicality of the NBA playoffs. With the honest what's 164 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 2: really disappointing is he's progressed and like, don't get me wrong, 165 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,719 Speaker 2: he was hurt. The back injury was real. There's a 166 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 2: lot of intel about some of his struggles behind the scenes. 167 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 2: But even if you are dealing with some issues with 168 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 2: your body missing thirteen free throws on twenty three attempts, 169 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 2: especially two years after your crowning achievement was being locked 170 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: in at the free throw line against the Phoenix Suns, 171 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 2: that's discouraging to me. But even deeper than that, like 172 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 2: he couldn't shoot over the top of anyone. He doesn't 173 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 2: even have a reliable hook shot in the lane, and 174 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: that's problematic. I'm not as big on the jump shot 175 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 2: as everyone else, Like I think it's more important for 176 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 2: him to be able to pass himself open than it 177 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 2: is for him to be able to soften the defense 178 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 2: with jumpers. But he needs to have something over the 179 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 2: top and look, Steph Curry will never be able to 180 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 2: impact the game athletically the way someone like Giannis does 181 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 2: He's an outlier in that regard. When we're talking about 182 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 2: the top ten to fifteen players in the league, they're 183 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 2: all centers in big perimeter players. Steph is the outlier. 184 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 2: He's the one guy that's different there. But what puts 185 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 2: him on that list is, no matter what, at any 186 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 2: point in any matchup, he is going to be able 187 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 2: to successfully generate quality shots somehow. On offense, he's the 188 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: best in the league. Get I think he's still even 189 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 2: better than Jokic still in my opinion, at generating quality 190 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 2: shots in the playoffs. And the last thing I'll say 191 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 2: about it, and I'm sure you may have noticed this too, Colin. 192 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 2: Early on in Steph's career, inconsistency was an issue for 193 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 2: him in the postseason. Actually, through his first several playoff runs, 194 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 2: he was good for a clunker about one out of 195 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 2: every three times. As a matter of fact, I can't 196 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: remember exactly the window of years. It was either his 197 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 2: first three years or four years in the postseason, but 198 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 2: like literally a third of his games he shot forty 199 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 2: percent or worse from the field in the postseason. That's gone. 200 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 2: He hasn't had a single game in this postseason or 201 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 2: he shot forty percent or worse from the field. So 202 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 2: he's completely figured out how to maintain a level of 203 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 2: consistency offensively in the playoffs that no one else in 204 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 2: the league can touch. And that's what makes him the 205 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: best player in the world in my opinion. 206 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: We learn a lot about the NBA in the regular season. 207 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 1: There are things we do know, and then there's a 208 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: bit of fools gold because young teams tend to flourish 209 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: more in the regular season because it's such a marathon. 210 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: They've got the legs. They play back to backs, and 211 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 1: that's that's not an old man's game, right, But dynasties 212 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: are different. And the fear of Golden State on the 213 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 1: road was solved about a game in. 214 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 2: Right. 215 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: They've went from the Houston Rockets to the same old Warriors, 216 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: and I think there is a reservoir for championship teams 217 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: that and I'd liken it to a baseball team that 218 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: goes on a long stretch and you ask all your 219 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: top pitchers to throw another thirty intense innings. They come 220 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: into spring training and they're they're not ready to pitch. 221 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: And I think Golden State tried to bridge the old 222 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: guy young guy gap there's the Draymond punch. It's a 223 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: long postseason for an old team, and I think they 224 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: just kind of thought, like, listen, man, we're gonna win 225 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: our home games. We're going to get into this thing. 226 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: It was road trips. Man, We've done a lot of this, 227 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: but I thought the last two road second halfs. I mean, Jason, 228 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: it was a master's class. They There was one point 229 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: Mike Breen said, the oxygen is out of the building. 230 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: There was about six minutes left, and you're like, it's over. 231 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: It's it's over. Not only the game was over, the 232 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: fight was over. And I think a lot of it 233 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: was on the defensive end, So that we have to 234 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: is it fair to say we kind to have to 235 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: judge dynasties differently. They do flip switches. They've got that 236 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: reservoir of experience and guile and toughness, and also when 237 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: they have issues, there's sort of this get over it, right, 238 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: Like guys get over it, Draymond, Steph Pool. You know, 239 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: like Pool was the first guy in the arena today. 240 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: He wasn't great, but he was more focused. So I 241 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: kind of feel like we all, I'm as guilty as anybody. 242 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: This is going to be a good road team. We 243 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: don't have to worry about that. That's fair, right. 244 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 2: Again, it was the same players. It was the same 245 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 2: players that were the dominant road team that they were 246 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 2: last year. Again, like I the whole year, the one 247 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 2: thing that I kept coming back to was there was 248 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 2: no personnel reason for a decline. It was all. It 249 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 2: was clear to me that it was effort. Even in 250 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 2: this series, Like they came out super lackadaisical in Game six. 251 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 2: In the first half, they would like score at the 252 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 2: rim of dear and Fox would just dribble around all 253 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 2: of them and score transition layup after a made basket. 254 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: They just weren't really focused in that Game six. And 255 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: they've had some issues with effort and focus during the 256 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 2: regular season, some of which that have manifested in this 257 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 2: postseason run. I thought you saw a little bit of 258 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: that at the end of Game four where they were sloppy. 259 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: You saw a little bit of that in Game six. 260 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, it's the same personnel, 261 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 2: And like you know, here's the thing. The regular season 262 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 2: still matters, I think, specifically when it comes to building 263 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 2: your basketball character. So, for instance, I don't think it's 264 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 2: a coincidence that the Lakers played really good basketball after 265 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 2: the deadline, and that continued into the postseason. Like you 266 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 2: build habits and you build things that go along. However, 267 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: seeding matters less than ever because all the teams are good. 268 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 2: So if you get the seven seed, you're going to 269 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 2: play a two seed that's not that much better than you, 270 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 2: whereas back in the day it was different. Right, But 271 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 2: like once again, we look on Friday night and we 272 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 2: saw the defensive player of the Year and then suddenly 273 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 2: there was a guy in a Lakers jersey that looked 274 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 2: way better than him at defense because in the postseason 275 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 2: it's just an different level that he can get to. 276 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 2: Tonight we saw the clutch player of the Year and 277 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 2: Darren Fox in a Game seven at home get thoroughly 278 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 2: out executed because the dude boring number thirty for the 279 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 2: Warriors is just way better at closing basketball games than hit. 280 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 2: So the reality is is there is a difference between 281 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 2: regular season and playoff basketball. It's about surviving and it's 282 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 2: about building continuity and building habits that will carry you 283 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 2: in the postseason. And there was such a clear delineation 284 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,479 Speaker 2: between what the Warriors were at home and what they 285 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 2: were on the road that it was obvious that it 286 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,239 Speaker 2: was effort and focus related. Like you said, they just 287 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 2: had a long run. They were worn down, they were 288 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 2: injured a lot this year. Steph was out for extended stretches, 289 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 2: Andrew Wiggins were OpEd for extended stretches. I think we 290 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 2: tend to overthink these things. But again, Colin, that's why 291 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 2: you and I were on the Lakers and Warriors in 292 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 2: this first round. We've learned this lesson too many times. 293 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, Cleveland, Memphis, Sacramento, talented young teams 294 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: all shrink at defark time. Lakers best players are older, 295 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: Warriors are older. Celtics now are getting longer than the tooth. 296 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: Although Milwaukee folded. So let's talk Lakers Warriors series. Here's 297 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: what would worry me now. Anthony Davis is going to 298 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 1: have a very good series. We know that. But the Warriors, 299 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: and this is what I think makes them a dynasty, 300 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: is that they've got and this. Michael Jordan's Bulls had 301 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: this too. Where Rodman was a great rebounder, Jordan was 302 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: a great score Pippen was a great defender, Kerr was 303 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: a great shooter, Phil Jackson was a great coach. They 304 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: had a lot of great Peyton's a great defender, Draymond's 305 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: great defender, Steph's a great score, Clay is a great 306 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: spot up shooter, Kerr's a great coach, Looney's a great rebounder. 307 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: There's a lot of great There are limitations to many 308 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: of their greatest players, Draymond offensively, Looney offensively, But because 309 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 1: they're so selfless, everybody understands their role. This is a classic. 310 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: You know, Ron Harper was a scorer with the Bulls. 311 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: He knew he didn't have to be like the great dynasties. 312 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: There's a hierarchy within it, you know, like everybody knew 313 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: Michael ran the show, step Roves the show. The Lakers 314 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 1: don't have a lot of great now. Ad is a 315 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: great defender, he's a great player, and lebron In Spurts 316 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: now is a great Swiss Army knife. But they're players. 317 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: Dangelo Russell's game to game, Jared Vanderbilt, Malik Beasley. I 318 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: think it's really hard to beat the Warriors because you 319 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: kind of know Jason Draymond's a good defender every game, 320 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: and Looney's a great rebounder every game. The Lakers will 321 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: steal some wins here, but what the Warriors do. Those 322 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: individual players bring that same thing every night. I mean, 323 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: even Clay horrible first half, great second, they never bring 324 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: four quarters. Draymond never bad defensively for four quarters. And 325 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: I just think the difference is you're gonna get more 326 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: consistent great play from more players, and it feels like 327 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: a six gamer to me, and eventually you'll look up 328 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: and go, Okay, this is what the Warriors do. More 329 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: guys doing what they do at a premium level, whereas 330 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what I get from Ruey and D'Angelo. 331 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: They have great moments, but they're not consistently great at stuff. 332 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: That's my take. 333 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 2: I think this series is going to be a slog 334 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 2: I think both defenses are uniquely equipped to give each 335 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 2: other problems. So the Lakers, and we've already seen this 336 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 2: in every one of their matchups with the Warriors this year, 337 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 2: but they're gonna put Anthony Davis on Kevan Looney, They're 338 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 2: gonna put Lebron James and Draymond Green, and they're just 339 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 2: gonna have both of those guys play center field underneath 340 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 2: the basket, and a lot of the damage that Steff 341 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 2: did in this series, in particular, was at the rim. 342 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 2: I'm sure you notice that in the fourth quarter tonight 343 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 2: he's just beating dudes off the dribble and get into 344 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 2: the basket. Yet there's no there's no rim protection in Sacramento, 345 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 2: So Anthony Davis is going to be around the basket 346 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 2: for most of the series. So I expect that, and 347 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 2: the Lakers did a lot of top locking and forcing 348 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 2: the Warriors guards away from the screens and trying to 349 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 2: get them to back door cut into all the traffic 350 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 2: where Anthony Davis and Lebron was. I expect the Lakers 351 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 2: to put Jared Vanderbilt on Steph Curry, Austin Reeves on 352 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 2: Klay Thompson, try to hide D'Angelo Russell and Andrew Wiggins, 353 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 2: and I expect him to cause the Warriors offense some problems. 354 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 2: Here's the problem. The Warriors are also going to cause 355 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 2: all sorts of problems for the Lakers. Draymond Green is 356 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 2: going to be on Jared Vanderbilt and pay zero attention 357 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 2: to him and just be a wrecking ball everywhere on 358 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 2: the floor. Kevon Looney is the type of physical rebounding 359 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 2: center that has always given Anthony Davis problems and Andrew Wiggins. 360 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 2: I think one of the biggest swing factors in this 361 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 2: series is going to be Lebron James because offensively the 362 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 2: guy he was in the first round. If that translates 363 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 2: into this series, the Lakers are going to be gone 364 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 2: in five or six games. They have to have Lebron 365 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: James dominate the Andrew Wiggins matchup. I think he's going 366 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 2: to do it in the post. Andrew Wiggins on the 367 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 2: perimeter is devastating. You saw that against Luka Doncic last 368 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 2: year at the Conference finals. Lebron has Lebron struggle with 369 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 2: Dylan Brooks because he has a very low center of gravity, 370 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 2: so he has had a hard time bumping him off 371 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 2: of his spots. Wiggins has a higher center of gravity, 372 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 2: so I expect Lebron to try to maul him more, 373 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 2: take him down to the block. I think this is 374 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 2: I think this entire series comes down to Lebron James. 375 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 2: If Lebron James plays Steph Curry to a draw, I 376 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 2: think the Lakers win in six. If Lebron James averages 377 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 2: twenty two points a game relatively inefficiently, like he did 378 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 2: against Memphis, I think Golden State wins the series. So 379 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 2: all eyes on Lebron for me. 380 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,959 Speaker 1: So let's let's give some credit to the Miami Heat. 381 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: It's such an they're the opposite of the Dolphins. It's 382 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,959 Speaker 1: all culture, it's all toughness, it's all resiliency. There's no 383 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 1: hype is that they shoot forty two. Butler's limping at 384 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: the end, they get out rebounded, they're on the road, 385 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: they've lost Tyler hero. He won't play in the series. Right, 386 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: They come off a really a stunning upset. You'd feel 387 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: a letdown. They're on the road and they win kind 388 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: of comfortably. Now Julius Rannold didn't play. But when I 389 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 1: watched that series, I thought, this really is Maybe it's 390 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: because Miami and we just think of the aqua water 391 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 1: and the beach. This is such a great basketball culture 392 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: and their ability to come off that a young, immature team. 393 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: I mean, they got four undrafted guys. Three are playing, 394 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: they're on the road. The next are tough as hell. 395 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: And as I watched that series, I thought, yeah, Julius 396 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: Randall will matter, but god, Miami is the opposite of 397 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 1: what every great Miami you know, the Marino Dolphins, the 398 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: Miami Hurricanes. They're like LA teams. They feel like they're 399 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: on the beach. They're flashy, and they're fun. This organization 400 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: is so well run and so smartly coached. I'm watching 401 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: their roster against the Knicks and I'm like, you know, 402 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: the Mix had five star high school guyers, great college guys. 403 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: Cody Zeller looks like my accountant. I'm like, what is happening? 404 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: I just as I watch Miami, I'm like, I have 405 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: such appreciation to get pro athletes to all buy in. 406 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 2: Now. 407 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: I did think tib has made a mistake. They didn't 408 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: attack Butler late when he was limping around the floor. 409 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 2: It's like, dude, it was a huge mistake. 410 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: Like, you know, Tim's a defensive coach, but you're kind 411 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 1: of your your thoughts on this series as a whole 412 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: and sort of this sort of grind out, rust belt, 413 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: no flash Miami culture. 414 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 2: Well, I think I think you and I have been 415 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 2: on this for a couple of years now. The idea 416 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 2: we basically refer to the Heat as Warrior East, but 417 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 2: with less talent, you know, and and like the most 418 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 2: the most impressive parted about it to me is despite 419 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 2: the talent, they've become the safest bet in the Eastern 420 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 2: Conference to be there. Colin this is the third time 421 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 2: in the last four years they've played it at least 422 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 2: the second round. This is like, that's crazy to me. 423 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 2: This is this is the fourth time in nine years 424 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 2: since Lebron left that the Heat have made it to 425 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 2: the second round. That's very impressive given the level of 426 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 2: personnel that they've had. Eric Spolstra is, in my opinion, 427 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 2: the very best coach in the league. I love their 428 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: modern approach to the game of basketball. They just bring 429 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 2: the most out of these undrafted types of players, and 430 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 2: even the veterans like Kyle Lowry got a lot of 431 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 2: crap from Heat fans for kind of underwhelming in his 432 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,959 Speaker 2: time here. So far, he's been incredible through the first 433 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 2: six playoff games, especially especially on the defensive end. And 434 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 2: four Kyle Lowry torched the Knicks tonight in pick and roll, 435 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: just getting over the top oft screens and knocking down 436 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 2: little shots. That was probably the story of the game, 437 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 2: in my opinion, was so schematically. The Heat do a 438 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 2: ton of switching and that's very different from other teams. 439 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 2: And they do that because bam Atabio is gifted at 440 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 2: being able to guard on the perimeter, and most of 441 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 2: their players are trunky and strong, it can hold up 442 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 2: against bigger players. So when you switch everything, it stagnates 443 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 2: teams and because all their actions don't work anymore because 444 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,719 Speaker 2: instead of coming off that screen open, he's coming off 445 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 2: and just another defender switched on to him. So it 446 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 2: turns into an isolation contest. And at the end of 447 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 2: that game, I'm not sure if you noticed, but the 448 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 2: Knicks just went hard on the RJ. Barrett thing, yes, 449 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 2: and that was just not working like and Jalen Brunson 450 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 2: was very uninvolved late in the game. And this is 451 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 2: where the Julius Randall thing I think does matter because 452 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 2: he is the master switch attacker going at smaller players 453 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 2: in the post and just trying to bully them to 454 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 2: the basket. They're gonna need him to win this series, unfortunately, 455 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 2: just because of the personnel gap. That said, I thought 456 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 2: the story of this particular game was the Nick's guards 457 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 2: are better than the Heat's guards on paper, that's a 458 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 2: better core, but the Heat Guards outplayed than Nick's guards tonight, 459 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 2: and they're never gonna win like you like, even at 460 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 2: home and that Rockus Madison square guarden crowd that got 461 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 2: soundly outplayed because the guards for the Heat outplayed them. 462 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 2: If you're gonna, like Gabe Vincent and Kyle Lowry, be 463 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 2: better than your guards, you're gonna be in some problems 464 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 2: in this series. 465 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: So let's move back to the West. So it's not 466 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: that I don't respect Denver, it's I don't watch them 467 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: a ton because I pay so much attention to the 468 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: Celtics and the Sixers and the Bucks and the Warriors 469 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: and the Lakers, and so Denver is not a huge 470 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: basketball brand. So if I'm on my treadmill or they're 471 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: playing one of those teams, I'll watch them. So my 472 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: takeaway has always been there deep. They're highly efficient. You 473 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 1: kind of know what you get every time from Yoki. 474 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: Jamal Murray's a little more hot and cold, but he 475 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: has stretches. We saw it in the bubble can be 476 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: a dominant player. But the one thing I took away 477 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: and I watched about half of it because I was 478 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: out with a friend from the from the the game 479 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: with Phoenix is boy. They score easily. They score comfortably 480 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: like the points you watch. You watch a Sacramento at 481 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 1: the in this series more than once, and You're like, 482 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: where did their wings scoring go? Like they get dry fast? 483 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: If Daron Fox is an hitdiot, It's like, where's the offense? 484 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: It's just easy. It's just it's like watching an NFL 485 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,959 Speaker 1: offense that gets easy completions and I'm like, it doesn't 486 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,479 Speaker 1: even feel like it's much of an effort. They're deeper 487 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: than Phoenix, you know, Phoenix has some holes defensively, and 488 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, like Phoenix will win a 489 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: game or two because they'll out you know, KD and 490 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: Booker will have great offensive nights, but I don't know 491 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: if Phoenix can slow them down. What's your thought on that? 492 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 2: So Phoenix has a very specific way that they need 493 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 2: to win, and Denver beat the Suns at their own 494 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 2: game in game one. I was so interested when I 495 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 2: was watching the film this morning. So, for instance, Phoenix 496 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 2: is the best pick and roll team in the league. 497 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 2: They ran twenty four or they ran twenty nine pick 498 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 2: and rolls and only scored twenty four points. Denver scored 499 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 2: fifty points in pick and roll in that game, so 500 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 2: they did. They were twice as effective as Phoenix at 501 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 2: their bread and butter. Phoenix is a huge pull up 502 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 2: jump shooting team. I've been talking to you of this 503 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 2: for months now. They rely heavily on knocking down contested 504 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 2: pull up jump shots off the dribble. Phoenix had an 505 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 2: effective field goal percentage in Game one of thirty one 506 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 2: percent on pull up jump shots. Denver had an effective 507 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 2: field goal percentage of sixty four percent on pull up 508 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 2: jump shots in Game one. Jamal Murray scored twenty one 509 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 2: points on pull up jumpers alone in that game. Chris Paul, 510 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 2: Devin Booker, and Kevin Durant combined to score eighteen points 511 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 2: on pull up jump shots in that game. They just 512 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 2: completely outplayed the Suns at their own game. I will 513 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 2: say on film, I actually thought Phoenix held that better 514 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 2: defensively than you would have expected. They contested shots pretty well. 515 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 2: Jamal Murray hit a lot of tough shots in that game. 516 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 2: Devin Booker was two for nine on pull of jumpers, 517 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 2: so there was some shot variant stuff there. For instance, 518 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 2: Denver scored twenty six points on sixteen spot up possessions. 519 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 2: The Sun scored seventeen on seventeen possessions, so they just 520 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 2: did bet like for instance, Aaron Gordon is the one 521 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 2: guy that you want to ignore and help on everything right, 522 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 2: and so they put kd there so that he can 523 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 2: be super tall around the basket, bothering shots, and Aaron 524 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 2: Gordon was making all of his jump shots. So like 525 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 2: it was, I do think shot variation played a huge role. 526 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 2: The one schematic thing I noticed, Denver was very aggressive 527 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 2: on Phoenix's pick and rolls bringing Jokic out, and so 528 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 2: there was a lot of role possessions where eight and 529 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 2: is catching the ball on the middle of the floor 530 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 2: and he needs to either score or make a decision. 531 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 2: And both eight And and Biambo were terrible in this game 532 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 2: in the role making decisions. So this is going to 533 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 2: be a big DeAndre eighton series. He's going to have 534 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 2: to be a monster, all right. 535 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: So I still think the Knicks will make the Miami Series. 536 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: I think it's going to go seven. I'll take the 537 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: Warriors and six more interested now to own in on 538 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: the Suns. Denver. Over all these playoffs, the Warriors Lakers 539 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: is going to get a massive number, just a huge 540 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: f in number. Is you know when I look at 541 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: the NBA playoffs, the one thing I really appreciated about 542 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: the Warriors King series is they kind of let guys play. 543 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: I mean I was I was joking. Sabonis was called 544 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: for thirty fouls. He felt about sixty times to eighty times, 545 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: but they kind of, like the referees sort of acknowledged 546 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: that's who he is. He sort of leads with his shoulder. 547 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: He's a physical player. I really thought the Warriors Kings series. 548 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: I thought they let guys play, and I really appreciate it. 549 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: I mean, there's obviously the Draymond Green gets ejected, but 550 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: it was physical at times. It was it was never chippy. 551 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: I almost wonder that the teams were so highly skilled. 552 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,719 Speaker 1: I hope it wasn't the best series. You know, I'm 553 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: watching the Knicks in Miami and there were some ugly stretches. 554 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: You're like gods, like nineteen eighty nine. I just I 555 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: think overall, we complain a lot about officiating in this sport. 556 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe I'm wrong here. I thought the Warriors Kings, 557 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: there's so much skill and the refs kind of got 558 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: out of the way of it and they kind of 559 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: let guys play. Now, maybe the box score doesn't show that, 560 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: but I thought it was a really elegant, artful series. 561 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: It really was, And the fact that road teams won 562 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: three games. That's hard to do in this league. So 563 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: what happened is the team that played harder won. There 564 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: was no question Golden State today played harder. I mean 565 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: they just the rebounding disparity was I mean, Mike Brown's 566 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: saying it in the huddles. It's like, guys, they're just 567 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: they just want it more. 568 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 3: I thought the officials did a good job in the series. 569 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 3: Did you one hundred percent agree? I think they've done 570 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 3: mostly good in this postseason. There's been a handful of 571 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 3: games that I haven't liked. Here's the thing. It's more physical. 572 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 3: It can be ugly at times with the steel players 573 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 3: struggling a little bit under that physicality. But the reality 574 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 3: is calling it's it's so much better as a television 575 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 3: product when the game has flow. 576 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 2: It's not simple like. There are two problems with the 577 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 2: NBA regular season. In my opinion, it's too long, so 578 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 2: the urgency, like you can't play eighty two games and 579 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 2: have twenty of the thirty teams get into the postseason, 580 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 2: Like how how can you ever expect anybody to care 581 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 2: on a nightly basis? That said, there's another problem, and 582 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 2: it's the game during the regular season can be very 583 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 2: stilted by officiating. The tic TAC calls all the time. 584 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 2: That stops the game, and then you're waiting thirty seconds 585 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 2: for someone to walk up to the free throw line 586 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 2: because once again, you know, Damian Lillard just dropped his shoulder, 587 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 2: ran into a guy, threw up some crazy eighteen foot 588 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to pick on Dame because so 589 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 2: many guys do it. But like in the postseason, that 590 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 2: stuff doesn't happen anymore. And yeah, can get physical, and 591 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 2: yeah can get ugly sometimes, but the game has real flow, 592 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 2: there's real like it's easier to stay invested in the game. 593 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 2: It's just a better television product. I wish they would 594 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 2: officiate games like this during the entire season. 595 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: Jason Temp host of Hoops Tonight. He's fantastic, good stuff. 596 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: Little breakdown of the Warriors, Lakers, Golden State's winning game seven, 597 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 1: Steph Curry's fifty point game. As always, buddy, great senior. 598 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 2: Thanks calling. 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