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Speaker 1: episode number forty two. Welcome to another edition of The
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Speaker 1: We've got a great show lined up for you guys today,
Speaker 1: a lot to talk about. It to a Tuesday. So
Speaker 1: we'll do a little bit of a big picture look
Speaker 1: around the league where the Cowboys ranking, some some statistical categories,
Speaker 1: some interesting things they're both good and bad. And then
Speaker 1: a little later in the show, we're gonna actually get
Speaker 1: into evaluating each of the positions for the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: talk about our confidence meter at each position. Let these
Speaker 1: guys tell us what they think that after two games,
Speaker 1: how they're feeling about each of these positions. Groups. All right,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna do that. It should be fun show.
Speaker 1: Let's let's jump right in. Let's first hit some news.
Speaker 1: Bryce Butler, his name's all over the news today and
Speaker 1: has been over the news yesterday and today with the
Speaker 1: possibility that the Cowboys will be signing him. What do
Speaker 1: you guys know at this point, Well, Dallas Cowboys dot
Speaker 1: Com doesn't have anything yet. ESPN doesn't have anything. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the four Worth Star Telegram, Dallas Mooring News.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's got anything official but the Duffington Post.
Speaker 1: But the Duffington Post. Bryce Butler himself announced that um release,
Speaker 1: posted a picture of himself in this Cowboys uniform, said
Speaker 1: it's a done deal. God is good. You can always
Speaker 1: count on Bryce to hype himself up, man. So I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's fun. It's funny. I really the mechanations
Speaker 1: of this, you know, like officially, obviously they you can
Speaker 1: clear a roster spot in two seconds, but officially, like
Speaker 1: a foster spot is not open for him, and the
Speaker 1: team would probably prefer to do it a different way.
Speaker 1: But Bryce Butler is gonna Bryce Butler, so kind of
Speaker 1: let us all know that he's back. So okay, let's
Speaker 1: assume we're a second. Let's assume for a second, that
Speaker 1: Bryce's report is accurate. Let's assume that he got the
Speaker 1: right the right report. Um, what what kind of role
Speaker 1: could he play on this team? What are you expecting
Speaker 1: his role to be? I mean, they've got a bunch
Speaker 1: of receivers that are kind of the same type of guy.
Speaker 1: Is he the same type of guy that middle mid
Speaker 1: level kind of wide receiver. I think what you're seeing though,
Speaker 1: is that there's an effort to get more speed on
Speaker 1: this team, and u Tavon Austin obviously in the acquisition there,
Speaker 1: and then Deontay Thompson. He's not only on the team,
Speaker 1: but he's having a bigger role in the offense. You're
Speaker 1: seeing him make some plays, makes some catches, and then
Speaker 1: you know to add Bryce Butler. That's what he does.
Speaker 1: He extends the the the offense a little bit more
Speaker 1: so to answer your question, you know, basically what you're
Speaker 1: saying is who's who's he taking? Whose spot is he
Speaker 1: taking on the field? Um or roll or role player? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean right now that they'll have seven receivers. I
Speaker 1: think you know, we've talked about this a little bit
Speaker 1: and not to get into it, but you know, there
Speaker 1: may not be seven receivers on this team comes Sunday,
Speaker 1: so we'll see what happens there. I think you kind
Speaker 1: of know who, but just by judging who's playing and
Speaker 1: see kind of who could be an odd man out
Speaker 1: however way that is. But I think that they want
Speaker 1: to get more vertical in the passing game, and I
Speaker 1: think Bryce is a good guy to do it. I
Speaker 1: also think and no way to. I think he's just
Speaker 1: gonna step in here and like play the same amount
Speaker 1: of snaps that like Dez would have. But he's probably
Speaker 1: the closest thing to like a real ex body type
Speaker 1: that you have here. Now. I mean we always said
Speaker 1: that about Alan Hearns, but I think Bryce is a
Speaker 1: I don't like using the word thick, but like he's
Speaker 1: thicker and more physical I think than Alan Hern's probably
Speaker 1: and we I mean, they don't really do the back
Speaker 1: shoulder ball anymore, but he's a guy that can do
Speaker 1: that type of stuff. So he's the closest thing to
Speaker 1: like a protocol prototypical like outside the numbers receiver among
Speaker 1: these guys, I believe among the faster guys for sure. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: well Noah Brown can't play right now. He's on IR
Speaker 1: so yeah, he Um, you know, if he had enough
Speaker 1: catches to qualify, he would have ranked I think third
Speaker 1: in the NFL last year in in average per catch
Speaker 1: Bryce at around nineteen nineteen point six or something. I
Speaker 1: get it. You have to do it over of course,
Speaker 1: you know. Um, I think the guy in Detroit led
Speaker 1: the league last year, and Marvin Jones he's still in Detroit, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Marvin Jones. But yeah, but I mean it's that, Um,
Speaker 1: he's got some big playability and he's done it here.
Speaker 1: I mean a couple times in that Arizona game. I remember,
Speaker 1: that's probably one of the reasons they signed him. And
Speaker 1: he had a really a couple of nice catches in there.
Speaker 1: Dakka was rolling right and and throws it up. He's
Speaker 1: a big target, like you said, and he's easier to see.
Speaker 1: And I think he'll he'll be good in whatever role
Speaker 1: that they use him, and I think it'll be a
Speaker 1: down field threat. It was obviously a reason why the
Speaker 1: Cowboys didn't sign him back when he was a free agent.
Speaker 1: What's changed. I mean, it's a situation where right now
Speaker 1: they just like they want to get another body in here,
Speaker 1: if somebody that maybe knows the offense you know, or
Speaker 1: is a situation where just the money didn't where he
Speaker 1: thought higher of himself at that point. Well, he always
Speaker 1: thinks higher of himself. I mean, he told me before
Speaker 1: the Arizona preseason game that he would be starting in Arizona.
Speaker 1: But even though he's going to play tonight and play
Speaker 1: into the third quarter of it, you were talking about
Speaker 1: that preseason game and he didn't start and didn't make
Speaker 1: the team, and so he always sad. He just to say, yes,
Speaker 1: Skip Bayless, I'm gonna come on your show and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna talk about Dez and all this stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it was just like, all right, there's no
Speaker 1: room for him here. But what's changed, Well, this summer changed,
Speaker 1: and what they thought they could get out of Terrence
Speaker 1: Williams hasn't happened. He got hurt, he wasn't in the offseason.
Speaker 1: He did not have a good offseason off the field. Obviously.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's over yet. And so now Terrence
Speaker 1: Williams isn't providing anything, you know, for there. So there's
Speaker 1: one thing Alan Hearns. I don't know if has been
Speaker 1: lighting the world on fire. I don't know if they're
Speaker 1: super excited about him and Gallop is still developing, So
Speaker 1: I just think that there's a need for a veteran
Speaker 1: type of guy. Yeah, I don't disagree with any of that. Um,
Speaker 1: even with all that being true, Like I don't, I
Speaker 1: don't hate this signing. And Bryce definitely flashed some big
Speaker 1: play potential. But Cowboys clearly didn't view him as a
Speaker 1: priority last year, and I think the year before that
Speaker 1: they only even brought him back because they didn't think
Speaker 1: they could get Terrence back. He was their insurance policy,
Speaker 1: which I don't know that was a bad one, that
Speaker 1: it is what it is, But what was a bad one?
Speaker 1: Terrence or him Terence? But see the thing about it
Speaker 1: was you can say now that it was bad, and
Speaker 1: I'm saying it, but I know we were all surprised
Speaker 1: at the contract and how low it was exactly to
Speaker 1: be able to get him at the numbers that they
Speaker 1: got him, I don't think was necessarily a bad Brian
Speaker 1: brought us says it all the time, and he was
Speaker 1: right on this one. You don't fall in love with
Speaker 1: your team and don't fall in love with the fact
Speaker 1: that Terrence Williams is so great and you got to
Speaker 1: get him with thirty one. Other teams were like, we're
Speaker 1: not paying him anywhere close to that, and we don't
Speaker 1: want to sign him at all, and they did, and
Speaker 1: so I mean, and now they're kind of stuck with
Speaker 1: it for now. Yeah what I was gonna say, I mean, yeah, whatever,
Speaker 1: I'll just own it. I'd rather go big and give
Speaker 1: up a fifth round pick for Josh Gordon than do
Speaker 1: this and all, honestly, yeah I would. And I get
Speaker 1: that it might blow up in your face. But like
Speaker 1: Bryce Butler caught forty three balls in three seasons here,
Speaker 1: Like I think his career high was nineteen or twenty.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, the this isn't gonna boom. I
Speaker 1: really doubt it's gonna boom. He's probably he's gonna be
Speaker 1: Bryce Butler, like he's gonna be He'll get some snaps,
Speaker 1: he'll make some big plays. And I don't know what
Speaker 1: Josh Gordon's gonna do. And maybe that would blow up
Speaker 1: in their face, but it's a fifth round pick, a
Speaker 1: guy that has at least the potential to be a
Speaker 1: real difference maker and a guy that can clean out
Speaker 1: the box, like a guy that I really think defenses
Speaker 1: will probably key on more than any other receiver on
Speaker 1: this team. And I know you know, Randy Gregory's here,
Speaker 1: David Irving will be here in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: The receiver's room is young, and I know that you
Speaker 1: know you got a rookie and Michael Gallup who you
Speaker 1: probably want good influences around. But it is a very
Speaker 1: low cost and a very higher reward. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to kill him too much for doing it, because,
Speaker 1: like I said, I get it, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: concerns there. But if you're going to sign a guy
Speaker 1: who isn't expensive and has a chance of failing, I'd
Speaker 1: rather go big than just bring back the guy that
Speaker 1: you didn't like last year. Yeah, I get your point.
Speaker 1: And I that's when I'm kind of struggling with because
Speaker 1: I agree with you from that standpoint that that's one
Speaker 1: of those risks is like, well, the upside is so
Speaker 1: big that you really kind of want to see if
Speaker 1: you want to take that chance, like it might be
Speaker 1: worth taking the chance. I also look at it from
Speaker 1: the other that this is a guy that hasn't consistently
Speaker 1: been on the field for two years, three three years,
Speaker 1: which and so the likelihood that at this point now
Speaker 1: he's got all of a sudden get it all right
Speaker 1: and be able to consistently be on the field. For
Speaker 1: you is probably you're you're probably shooting in the dark, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, so, so who knows whether he'll he'll be
Speaker 1: able to even play in New England there? Don't you
Speaker 1: think something happened. Don't you think something happened in Cleveland
Speaker 1: where I mean, the word on the street is that
Speaker 1: he misled the front office and strained his hamstring shooting
Speaker 1: a commercial on a Friday night when he wasn't supposed
Speaker 1: to be, which to me and and I don't know
Speaker 1: everything and clear like that, dude's got so much baggage
Speaker 1: I get. And that's why I'm not gonna sit here
Speaker 1: and shout fire and brimstone that I think this is
Speaker 1: just the dumbest decision ever. There's plenty of reasons not
Speaker 1: to do this, And honestly, I mean, it reminds me
Speaker 1: of the Greg Hardy situation where you took a gamble.
Speaker 1: Not only did it not really pay off, but it
Speaker 1: was a bad influence on a lot of the guys
Speaker 1: in there. But I think the issues that I know
Speaker 1: about marijuana smoking, I think that's it's easier to manage
Speaker 1: than than very extreme and bad legal issues. In my opinion, UM,
Speaker 1: I feel like the Randy Gregory situation is, you know,
Speaker 1: affecting that move. You know, let's not say that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys may maybe Cleveland didn't want to draft them or
Speaker 1: trade them to anywhere else. I maybe that's what they want,
Speaker 1: Maybe they have the best offer. Maybe the Cowboys did
Speaker 1: send the same type of thing. But I just feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, the Cowboys haven't I mean, Randy Gregory's not
Speaker 1: out of the out of the woods here. I mean,
Speaker 1: they never won all the time, it never will be,
Speaker 1: so you're already dealing with that. I think it's questionable
Speaker 1: to say that the Cowboys have you know, I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: they've helped him, but he's again it's it's a it's
Speaker 1: a process here. I don't just don't know if adding
Speaker 1: Josh Gordon helps with that. And another of those two
Speaker 1: of them, you're right about David Irving. Really three of them,
Speaker 1: three guys like that, and I mean great upside. I
Speaker 1: just feel like Cleveland's been so patient with this. Something
Speaker 1: happened to the point where they're just like, we gotta
Speaker 1: wash our hands at this. So I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: if you might be right. I don't know. That's I
Speaker 1: always say these things can't be black and white. Like
Speaker 1: I can say that I would have maybe I can
Speaker 1: say that I would have done it. And I'm a
Speaker 1: little disappointed that the Cowboys didn't do it, But I
Speaker 1: certainly understand the logic. I don't think that they're stupid
Speaker 1: for not doing it. There's plenty of reasons not to
Speaker 1: do it, but I looked at it. I'm going to
Speaker 1: steal a line from a Redskins reporter actually, which this
Speaker 1: is crazy. Josh Gordon's big year, sixteen hundred yards all
Speaker 1: that good stuff was the same year that Robert Griffin
Speaker 1: was coming back from his acl there it's ancient history.
Speaker 1: Having said that, in his two seasons that he has
Speaker 1: been a part of since then, he's played five games
Speaker 1: in each of them, averaged around eighteen yards per catch
Speaker 1: in each of them. And I did the math had
Speaker 1: he played sixteen games, the math on his season is
Speaker 1: about a thousand yards, about sixty seventy catches in a
Speaker 1: thousand yards sixteen games. So it is a huge gamble
Speaker 1: that you can count on him for sixteen games. But
Speaker 1: in the small sample sizes, he was still putting up
Speaker 1: better numbers than most of the guys in this locker room.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I hear out of all that,
Speaker 1: and it really saddened me is that essentially this guy
Speaker 1: had the potential to maybe be absolute best to ever
Speaker 1: do it absolutely basically just threw it away. And that's
Speaker 1: that's sad to me, because you know, it's rare that
Speaker 1: anybody gets stat level of talent, you know, which I
Speaker 1: remember him at Baylor when I was really following that team,
Speaker 1: and I remember him as a young guy that that
Speaker 1: they were like, the coaches were like, you know, if
Speaker 1: we can just get him the Saturday, we just get
Speaker 1: him to the games, you know, he could be He's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: He doesn't really know any of the plays, but of
Speaker 1: course at Baylor, in that system, you don't really need
Speaker 1: to because you're seeing a lot of those receivers that
Speaker 1: are doing great things. They're not even in the leg
Speaker 1: I mean they cut Corey Coleman in the first round
Speaker 1: pick to make room for him. Yeah, so we're not
Speaker 1: even talking about Corey Coleman. Like the Cowboys have no
Speaker 1: no interest. He doesn't learn the offense. I mean, Terrence,
Speaker 1: give Terrence credit. He actually he might be other than
Speaker 1: Josh Gordon, but he might might be the best one.
Speaker 1: I mean, kendall Right has been pretty good in the league, right,
Speaker 1: I'd say consistently kindall Right has probably been the best
Speaker 1: because he's been at least consistent, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: Kay Cannon, you know, put up great numbers, you know.
Speaker 1: But but my point is is that he was Josh
Speaker 1: Gordon so freakishly talented, and he came into people saw
Speaker 1: him one hard knocked. You know, he was like, I
Speaker 1: don't I know these plays? I know these plays, and
Speaker 1: he caught a great touchdown against Pittsburgh, and I mean,
Speaker 1: but I just feel like there's they know more than anything,
Speaker 1: and I feel like something maybe coming down the road.
Speaker 1: You might be right and well, to bring it back
Speaker 1: full circle, Bryce is a much safer signing and he's
Speaker 1: probably gonna make much safer contributions to the team. Like DJ.
Speaker 1: I mean, he can already d I'll be shocked if
Speaker 1: his numbers this go around are drastically better than the
Speaker 1: first two, which that's fine. He's he will play a
Speaker 1: role in the offense. He will make some plays that
Speaker 1: get you excited, but you know, I don't think Bryce
Speaker 1: Butler is going to finish with a thousand yards for
Speaker 1: this team. All right, we're gonna check our first break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, We're gonna talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about where the cawboy any ranking around the league, and
Speaker 1: some interesting categories pass offense, pass defense, a lot of
Speaker 1: those different categories. There's some interesting things in note there.
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Speaker 1: your calls that way. Let's talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: how the Cowboys are ranking around the league. I went
Speaker 1: to look up a few stats just to see where
Speaker 1: the Cowboys rank, and it seems very apparent. I don't
Speaker 1: know that it's something we don't already know. But defense
Speaker 1: league rank really high and a lot of categories. Offensively
Speaker 1: they rank really low and a lot of categories very
Speaker 1: similar to what we've already seen on the field. And again,
Speaker 1: I think we could have all predicted this. But let
Speaker 1: me just throw some of these numbers out there, and
Speaker 1: I want to get your reaction. Passing offense, Cowboys right
Speaker 1: now are thirtieth in the league, only generating one hundred
Speaker 1: and forty nine yards per game through the air. Rushing
Speaker 1: offense eleventh in the league. Not horrible, but certainly not
Speaker 1: where you would think they would be with the rushing
Speaker 1: attack that they have, only getting one hundred and sixteen
Speaker 1: yards per game through the first two games yards and offensively,
Speaker 1: they're thirtieth in the league again, only two hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty five yards per game. Scoring offense twenty ninth in
Speaker 1: the league, only getting fourteen points per game. You look
Speaker 1: at those offensive numbers, are you any more concerned than
Speaker 1: you were before seeing where they rank relative to other
Speaker 1: teams in the NFL. I'm gonna say no, I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sound like a grumpy old man, because like
Speaker 1: I didn't need to hear the rank kings to know
Speaker 1: it was bad. I mean, you finish with less than
Speaker 1: two hundred passing yards in the NFL two weeks in
Speaker 1: a row, you're gonna be near the bottom. Because this
Speaker 1: is a past happy league, So I'm not surprised to
Speaker 1: hear that. I would have guessed that they were somewhere
Speaker 1: between twenty five and thirty two. It's not good, but
Speaker 1: I'm not anymore. I don't feel any differently about it
Speaker 1: having heard that. Yeah, and also, you know they go
Speaker 1: hand in hand because the defensive stats, I don't know,
Speaker 1: you haven't named those yet, but I'm sure that they're
Speaker 1: really good. And sometimes I remember there was a few
Speaker 1: years back where this team wasn't very good at all,
Speaker 1: but their defense was good, and therefore, you know, they
Speaker 1: weren't giving a lot of you know, they were getting
Speaker 1: some some short fields. Now that really hasn't happened a
Speaker 1: lot this year. But when your defense is good and
Speaker 1: you're getting off the field and you know your offense
Speaker 1: doesn't have a long ways to go, and then if
Speaker 1: they're not going anywhere with it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: they're only going fifteen twenty yards and getting a field goal,
Speaker 1: So sometimes those those can kind of affect each other.
Speaker 1: Rowing two games to this, but I agree with Dave.
Speaker 1: We don't need stats to know the defense playing well.
Speaker 1: The offense isn't. They're not sustaining drives there. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: so in the NFL, three three hundred is what you're
Speaker 1: looking for to feel good about the offense, right, total yards, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean three hundred is what you're looking for to
Speaker 1: start to feel good. And then three thirties a good day.
Speaker 1: Three fifties a really good day. If you're pushing four hundreds,
Speaker 1: you did awesome. They had two thirty two in week
Speaker 1: one and two fifty five in week two. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's bad. That's like I said, there's no way
Speaker 1: around it. Um And even obviously those things go hand
Speaker 1: in hand, but the running game hasn't been what we've
Speaker 1: been used to. I mean, even in this game, what
Speaker 1: what was the final tally? One thirty eight? One one
Speaker 1: thirty eight's pretty good, But for what this team has done,
Speaker 1: you see Zeke with one thirty and then another thirty
Speaker 1: on top of that, Like this team pushes one fifty
Speaker 1: one sixty one eighty and they haven't even doing that
Speaker 1: partially because the passing game hasn't been there. So, so
Speaker 1: are you guys at all concerned about the running game,
Speaker 1: because I think we kind of all expected coming into
Speaker 1: this season and maybe the passing offense would not be
Speaker 1: as good as maybe what you saw a few years
Speaker 1: ago because they had so much transition. There were so
Speaker 1: many new parts in new places, and you weren't necessarily
Speaker 1: convinced that the coordinator would know how to use all
Speaker 1: the right pieces, especially at the beginning of the season,
Speaker 1: or you'd all can start to know what the running
Speaker 1: part of the offense. I mean, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: It's not they're not overpowering people, and I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons for it. I think it's the
Speaker 1: fact that they you know, you don't have to I mean,
Speaker 1: teams don't have to get beat up like that because
Speaker 1: they're just not gonna get you know, they don't feel
Speaker 1: like they're gonna get beaten over the top. You gotta
Speaker 1: keep doing that with Tavon Austin, you gotta keep doing
Speaker 1: it now with Deonte, if Bryce is in here, you
Speaker 1: gotta do that. That's got to be the way that
Speaker 1: they They're not their intermmediate passing game is not going
Speaker 1: to be there because that's not a strength, and they
Speaker 1: don't have a tied end that could help and really
Speaker 1: do anything. I think it tied end that could they
Speaker 1: could turn around, get open after twelve and fifteen yards,
Speaker 1: get up the field. They missed that they really do.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can say what you want about Jason
Speaker 1: Witten not being what he was, but they don't have
Speaker 1: a guy that can really Swayne hasn't showed it yet.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he can't do it, but he hasn't
Speaker 1: shown it yet, and they haven't shown that part of
Speaker 1: the offense. I think that tight end game is really
Speaker 1: affecting a lot of things with this offense. I feel
Speaker 1: pretty good all things considered, because the passing game was
Speaker 1: not great the other night, Like it was serviceable, but again,
Speaker 1: like if you don't even throw for two hundred yards
Speaker 1: in the NFL, that's not anything anybody should be proud of.
Speaker 1: But they ran for one thirty eight. Zeke averaged four
Speaker 1: point six, and they averaged five point five as a team,
Speaker 1: and that's against you know, we talked all last week. No,
Speaker 1: the Giant's front seven isn't as good as it has
Speaker 1: been in recent years. Olivier Vernon wasn't there, but we talked.
Speaker 1: You know, Landon Collins was down in the box. They
Speaker 1: were going to try to put the game in Dax
Speaker 1: hands and they couldn't one hundred percent do it. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys ran for fifty yards on that final drive
Speaker 1: the game, the one that put the game away, and
Speaker 1: like I said, they average five and a half yards
Speaker 1: per carry. So if you can do that against the Giants,
Speaker 1: I feel pretty good that you can do it against
Speaker 1: all but a handful of teams, and I mean the
Speaker 1: Panthers being one of them. I mean, you talk, you
Speaker 1: got all Pro defensive tackles and a guy like Luke Keekley.
Speaker 1: You can definitely take it away. But I think there's
Speaker 1: way more teams in the league that can't than those
Speaker 1: that can. It's interesting you bring that up because I
Speaker 1: did go and look at the teams that Cowboys have
Speaker 1: to play, and let's talk about it from this standpoint.
Speaker 1: If you look at the rushed game, for example, of
Speaker 1: the eleven teams that Cowboys have left on their regular
Speaker 1: season schedule, four of those teams two of those teams
Speaker 1: they have to play twice, but four of those teams
Speaker 1: have a top ten rush defense right now. Now, of
Speaker 1: course we've only had two games. A lot of that's
Speaker 1: dictated about who you play this early in the season,
Speaker 1: but Philadelphia's first, Tampa Bay second, Indianapolis's ninth, Washington is tenth.
Speaker 1: So when you start talking about defenses that you think
Speaker 1: could give you problems against your running attack, it remains
Speaker 1: to be seen. But at least for right now, four
Speaker 1: of those teams that you have to play in the
Speaker 1: final eleven teams you play have top ten defenses against
Speaker 1: the run. Yeah, I think I've never really been a
Speaker 1: big fan of looking at numbers like this this early
Speaker 1: and no offense to that, but just because one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why, you know, let's say, people can say, well,
Speaker 1: the Rams haven't really played any good offenses yet, like
Speaker 1: the Raiders and the and the Cardinals. Well, one of
Speaker 1: the reasons they're not a good offense is because they
Speaker 1: played the Rams. You know, the Rams put them in
Speaker 1: that boat, you know, And it's kind of like when
Speaker 1: they say this early in the year, you haven't beat
Speaker 1: the team with a winning record, Well, it's because we
Speaker 1: beat you, you know that. That's one of the reasons.
Speaker 1: So I think it's still early for that, um. But
Speaker 1: but we can kind of, you know, use the eye
Speaker 1: test on this stuff, and we we kind of can
Speaker 1: see who's good and who isn't. And and I don't
Speaker 1: I think it's it's a little bit of reason to
Speaker 1: be concerned that they can't do what they want all
Speaker 1: the time, you know, but if they can throw them
Speaker 1: I think throwing the ball deeper like that, I mean,
Speaker 1: they made an effort to do it. And I've never
Speaker 1: understood Garrett saying, well, you know it's in the offense.
Speaker 1: We've tried call it. I mean, get it blocked. You know,
Speaker 1: your guys can block, your receiver can run, and your
Speaker 1: quarterback can throw throw it. I just don't understand why
Speaker 1: you can't ever throw it. And they did. They did.
Speaker 1: They just threw it some. They caught one a couple, didn't,
Speaker 1: you know. And then later in the game you saw
Speaker 1: Zeke had a little bit more openings. I think I
Speaker 1: think there's something to that. It's not that hard really
Speaker 1: throw it, as Randy Moss would say, just throw it.
Speaker 1: I will say this though, and I agree with you,
Speaker 1: from the standpoint of the numbers this early. The one
Speaker 1: thing that does concern me just a bit though, and
Speaker 1: we'll keep an eye on this as the season progresses.
Speaker 1: But we talked about that rush defense number. When you
Speaker 1: look at that past the past defenses that you'll have
Speaker 1: to face right now, there's six of the eleven teams
Speaker 1: that you have to play that have top ten past defense.
Speaker 1: It is Washington at number one, It's New York at
Speaker 1: number two you've already face. It's Detroit at number four,
Speaker 1: Caroline at seven, Jacksonville at nine. They'll probably have finished
Speaker 1: the season at one. I would guess at Atlanta at ten.
Speaker 1: I get it. Why, here's the point. Here's the point
Speaker 1: I'll make about this. The one interesting thing about me.
Speaker 1: There are a couple teams on here that have the
Speaker 1: kind of offenses where you have to throw the ball
Speaker 1: to keep up. I think Detroit has an offense like
Speaker 1: that where you have to score and you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to pass the ball in order to keep up. I
Speaker 1: think Atlanta's like that. So you would think that these
Speaker 1: are games whether their opponents are also throwing the ball
Speaker 1: a lot and probably have to throw up pretty well. Right,
Speaker 1: let me let me I'm just let me just be
Speaker 1: the I'm gonna stick with the old man. Thing here
Speaker 1: because I'm I don't really, I don't buy any of
Speaker 1: this crap until after like five or six weeks, I think,
Speaker 1: like two games with such a small sample size. Who
Speaker 1: the Redskins open to the season against Arizona like they
Speaker 1: are a second who? I mean, of course you, I
Speaker 1: hope you had a good pass defense against them. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying there. I'm not saying no, no, no, Fortunately,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Buffalo. Unfortunately, I am not saying they're
Speaker 1: not good. That they might be the best secondary in
Speaker 1: the history of the game. But this is not a
Speaker 1: big enough second sample size for me to care. Really,
Speaker 1: the only thing I know for sure, because I've seen
Speaker 1: it happen ten times in my career covering the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: is the Eagles are going to be a problem as
Speaker 1: long as Fletcher Cox is there. Like they're gonna be
Speaker 1: a problem. They've shut down the Cowboys running game year
Speaker 1: after year. They did it when DeMarco was here, They've
Speaker 1: done it when Zeke was here. I know that's going
Speaker 1: to be a deal. Other than that, I need more
Speaker 1: time because but but you know what, what was it
Speaker 1: last year? Somebody somebody on the Cowboys schedule last year
Speaker 1: was super proud of their run defense. I don't remember
Speaker 1: who it was, but it was like all we talked
Speaker 1: about going into the game and they just it was embarrassing.
Speaker 1: Like two years ago, it happened back to back games
Speaker 1: at Green Bay. Maybe that's what oh, Cincinnati, and it
Speaker 1: was like the yeah, maybe that's what I'm thinking of,
Speaker 1: like the Packers were. It was like a historic low,
Speaker 1: like nobody's ever given a fewer rushing yards to start
Speaker 1: a see thirty four years. Yeah, and they in the
Speaker 1: first drive. It was embarrassing. So and again, some of
Speaker 1: these trends are going to prove to be true. That's
Speaker 1: not my point. It's just that we don't know enough
Speaker 1: yet for me to sit here and and act like
Speaker 1: these stats are gospel. All I know right now is
Speaker 1: that the passing game's gotta get a lot better for
Speaker 1: this team to be balanced enough to win games. I
Speaker 1: think we're seeing that just how you know, good Travis
Speaker 1: Frederick you know has been for this team in this offense. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't think Looney's been a problem, not really, no,
Speaker 1: but he hasn't been the best, right and I think
Speaker 1: that that's you know, does he give up a lot
Speaker 1: of sacks. No, but is he pushing the guy off
Speaker 1: the ball and doing the things and open up this
Speaker 1: You know, he's not hurting you, but I don't know
Speaker 1: how much he's helping you the run game, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: where you see and the calls and we just just
Speaker 1: just seeing just recognizing, Okay, the linebackers here, we're gonna
Speaker 1: shift this thing here. I don't know. And now no,
Speaker 1: Zach is out actually helping with some of the calls
Speaker 1: as well, but that's it's better for the center to
Speaker 1: do it. Um. I don't know if Travis is going
Speaker 1: to come back. I really don't. And if he does,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if he'll be the same.
Speaker 1: I don't not not this year. I know, was it
Speaker 1: Shlais Who's yeah March. He said it took him a
Speaker 1: while to get out though, for a year, and then
Speaker 1: it took him a while. And maybe it's just a
Speaker 1: psychological thing. Yeah that I know this. But if you
Speaker 1: look at Travis Frederick, he doesn't look the same right now,
Speaker 1: just a little body type, just looks like he's lost
Speaker 1: some of the strength. I could be dead wrong there,
Speaker 1: but maybe because I'm just kind of noticed it. You know,
Speaker 1: even if you don't notice it. Like I said it
Speaker 1: at the start of the season, and I still believe it.
Speaker 1: And the more games we get into this thing, the
Speaker 1: more I feel like I was right, which is, you
Speaker 1: know why, like you probably could have just put this
Speaker 1: guy on ir you know, And that's not a knock
Speaker 1: on him. I know he wants to be out there,
Speaker 1: but we're about he's not gonna play week three, so
Speaker 1: you're gonna you're almost halfway through the window for I
Speaker 1: R And Jerry Jones said Sunday, there's still no timetable.
Speaker 1: I think Travis last talked to us two weeks ago
Speaker 1: and said he was still experiencing numbness in his hands
Speaker 1: and feet. I mean, is that sound like a guy
Speaker 1: who's gonna be ready to play? And that's why, again,
Speaker 1: it's not a knock on him. I think the world
Speaker 1: of him. I hope he recovers one hundred percent, but
Speaker 1: just like, just take football out of it for a
Speaker 1: little while and don't just put him on the shelf,
Speaker 1: which I don't and I don't know if that's something
Speaker 1: they're gonna do, but I don't get the feeling like
Speaker 1: he's gonna help you anytime they lift every week. You know,
Speaker 1: they go in there on Fridays and that's part of
Speaker 1: their and this is during the season. He obviously hasn't
Speaker 1: been able to do that. And if he can't feel
Speaker 1: his hands in some of his feet, he's not gonna
Speaker 1: be lifting weight. So I mean he's gonna he's not
Speaker 1: in football shape right now, and I just think it's
Speaker 1: gonna take a little bit. So the point is there.
Speaker 1: You can get excited about Randy Gregory coming back on defense.
Speaker 1: He can get excited if he wanted about David Irving
Speaker 1: coming back. But just like we're doing all this without Frederick,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're gonna get Frederick back, and
Speaker 1: if you are, I don't know if he'll be the same.
Speaker 1: One thing, one more thing I want to hit before
Speaker 1: we take our final break. Um. I don't think any
Speaker 1: of us expected at this point of the season we
Speaker 1: would have three three games in a row where the
Speaker 1: Cowboys will face teams at at this moment don't have
Speaker 1: a win. Next week, you go this week, we go
Speaker 1: to Seattle and they'll face the Seahawks. Then they have
Speaker 1: a game against Detroit at home was also owing two.
Speaker 1: Then they go on the road to Houston, who was
Speaker 1: also Owen two. I think most of us probably thought
Speaker 1: that at least Seattle and Houston would be pretty good
Speaker 1: this year so far, that has not that has not
Speaker 1: reflected in their records. That being said, of those next
Speaker 1: three games, which one do you think is the most
Speaker 1: troublesome for the Cowboys Of those oh and two teams
Speaker 1: that they'll face over the next three weeks, I would say, um, Seattle.
Speaker 1: I think that's because of place. That's part of it.
Speaker 1: I mean, not that they haven't won there, but I
Speaker 1: just don't feel like it's it's a I just think
Speaker 1: the whole setting of it is gonna be gonna be tough.
Speaker 1: I mean, talking about O two team making their home opener, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, they they got to have this one. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, they probably don't like all this stuff that's
Speaker 1: been talked about, you know, with the earl Thomas and
Speaker 1: all that. They're like, watch this and I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a quarterback that that. You know, they
Speaker 1: give up a lot of sacks last night, they did,
Speaker 1: But I still think that's gonna be a tough game.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Detroit at home would be tough,
Speaker 1: and Houston that'll be tough. You got a lot of
Speaker 1: cowboy fans there, though, I just think seat don't if
Speaker 1: I had to guess, would be the toughest one, So
Speaker 1: it could be a hornessness that you're walking into there.
Speaker 1: Just I feel relieved because I thought I was crazy
Speaker 1: for thinking that, but literally, you know, I watched the
Speaker 1: whole game. I'm sure most of the people are a
Speaker 1: lot of people listening to this did too, and like,
Speaker 1: rather than feel good about how bad they looked, I
Speaker 1: was just like, this is bad. I would I would
Speaker 1: rather they win and be one in one and the
Speaker 1: sky's not falling because an O and two team, not
Speaker 1: just an O and two team, but an O and
Speaker 1: two team that's used to winning, that knows how to win.
Speaker 1: It's got a quarterback that won a Super Bowl, the
Speaker 1: coaches won a Super Bowl. There's some fiercely proud players
Speaker 1: on that defense, like Earl Thomas and Bobby Wagner, who
Speaker 1: are not used to sucking, and I just think they'll
Speaker 1: probably pull out all the stops to keep this slide
Speaker 1: from getting worse. I don't feel good about it at all.
Speaker 1: It was because I was here in the late late nineties,
Speaker 1: early two thousands. I've seen though, when even when you
Speaker 1: have those kind of guys, when you have a bunch
Speaker 1: of guys around them that are young and don't know
Speaker 1: how to win, they can easily get frustrated and before
Speaker 1: you know it, if if they they may not even
Speaker 1: have enough to be able to lead them out of that,
Speaker 1: right because at the end of the day, they're three
Speaker 1: guys on that team that you look at and say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're a part of the greatness that Seattle has been
Speaker 1: and had, what they've represented for all these years. When
Speaker 1: you look at Russell and you look at Earl Thomas,
Speaker 1: and you look at Bobby Wagner, there's a bunch of
Speaker 1: guys going I mean, I'm I don't know that I've
Speaker 1: seen a team other than maybe San Francisco, maybe it
Speaker 1: was at five years ago, just lose all of their
Speaker 1: like all of their players that were their name guys
Speaker 1: just all of a sudden seem to not be and
Speaker 1: like to your point, two thousand and two Cowboys, I
Speaker 1: just I'm just thinking about that particular team. Darren Woodson
Speaker 1: was still you know, playing, it was still royd Glover,
Speaker 1: Dexter Cokeley, and you still can only win five games,
Speaker 1: you know, because so you're I think we're onto something
Speaker 1: that let's see what happens, because they you know, it's
Speaker 1: hard to put a team, oh in three, but absolutely
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why they're in two is because
Speaker 1: when you watch their offense and you're like, you know
Speaker 1: they're gonna have a hard time moving the ball on
Speaker 1: this defense, and and you know their defense can be
Speaker 1: exploited a little bit, especially if you can run it
Speaker 1: on him. It'll it'll be a fun game. It'll be
Speaker 1: a fun game. Whether we'll be a factor, We'll talk
Speaker 1: about that all week. I was gonna we don't. I
Speaker 1: don't want to get too far into it if I
Speaker 1: have to give a scouting report on them tomorrow, but
Speaker 1: I just would like to point out, I mean, these
Speaker 1: teams are pretty familiar with each other by this point.
Speaker 1: You know, the fourteen game is still the best Cowboys
Speaker 1: game I've watched UM fifteen and then last year too,
Speaker 1: so they played three times in the last you know,
Speaker 1: three or both teams are so different, but even the
Speaker 1: last year. The point I want to make is that
Speaker 1: Seattle not being able to protect Russell Wilson has is
Speaker 1: not a new thing. That's true, and they have schemed
Speaker 1: ways to keep him clean enough to beat the Cowboys
Speaker 1: the last two times they've played. So I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: which the Cowboys pass rush looks better than it has
Speaker 1: Seahawks protection looked real bad last night, But I remember
Speaker 1: in fifteen he had no time whatsoever. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: Greg Hardy made that acrobatic pick and all the I
Speaker 1: mean Russell Wilson tackling him by his shoestring was the
Speaker 1: only thing that kept him out of the end zone.
Speaker 1: But they still won that game. So all right, it's
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Speaker 1: we got a call from Rob in Vegas. Rob. What up? Hey? Rob? Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: are you doing good? Another year? Another year? Sir? Talking
Speaker 1: about Bryce Butler. I don't think he has to be great.
Speaker 1: I think it just has to be better than Terrence Williams,
Speaker 1: and right now that ain't gonna take much. I think
Speaker 1: he's got two catches. That's not a bad point at all. Ye,
Speaker 1: and can we get away from the two tight end sets?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what it accomplished either going
Speaker 1: to get a holding penalty. We never throw it to them,
Speaker 1: and let's just go spread them out. I think that's
Speaker 1: what they started against the Giants. It looked, it looked better,
Speaker 1: and then I think that's they closed it back in
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they couldn't move the ball.
Speaker 1: I think used the speed that we finally have, that
Speaker 1: Rico gathers in, there should have been a touchdown. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying a guy maybe truly knows all the playbook,
Speaker 1: but he's an athlete and he's so big. I think
Speaker 1: he could just do more stuff and I'd rather go
Speaker 1: that way. Let's use the speed, and I Dak is
Speaker 1: never going to be Tony Romo when it comes to
Speaker 1: throwing a ball as a fan. I have to realize that,
Speaker 1: and I'm okay with it if they use him like
Speaker 1: they did against the Giants. If they if they try
Speaker 1: to make him, they pass her, this team's gonna suffer.
Speaker 1: Let him do his few runs, and if he gets
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy one hundred and eighty yards passing
Speaker 1: and fifty yards rushing, it gets first downs on those runs.
Speaker 1: I'm okay with it. Yep. I think that's that's very logical.
Speaker 1: Thanks for the call, you know, I said that, Oh
Speaker 1: so go ahead, No no, I said that yesterday. This
Speaker 1: is it's a totally arbitrary number that I made up.
Speaker 1: But if you just if you go look at the
Speaker 1: games where Dak has played the best, he flirts with
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty eight to two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: yards and doesn't He doesn't have to throw for two
Speaker 1: fifty if he throws for one eighty and runs for sixty,
Speaker 1: or if he throws for two twenty and runs for thirty,
Speaker 1: as long if the runs are productive and the throws
Speaker 1: are smart. Yeah, like, that's that's this offense. If you
Speaker 1: don't like it, I'm sorry, that's but that's I think
Speaker 1: that's their best way to move the chains. And that's
Speaker 1: I was disheartened a little bit to hear Steven Jones
Speaker 1: say that he wasn't sure it should be a weekly
Speaker 1: staple to be running Dak like that. He said that
Speaker 1: on the fan one oh five three here in Dallas yesterday,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I disagree, Steven. I know it's
Speaker 1: your team, but I think a minimum of five No,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want him run in fifteen times like Cam Newton,
Speaker 1: but a minimum of five carries per week for Dak
Speaker 1: in my opinion, and to me, it has to be
Speaker 1: a part of the offense. I agree because that's honestly,
Speaker 1: that's one of the best things that Dak does. So
Speaker 1: when you take it, I've watched this with my college team.
Speaker 1: When you take when you put a guy out there
Speaker 1: and you know the best of what he does and
Speaker 1: refused to do what he does best, to me, that's
Speaker 1: short circuiting your team. It kind of defeats the purpose
Speaker 1: of putting him out there. I put the other guy
Speaker 1: out there if you don't think you want to do
Speaker 1: the things that he does best. So I think it's
Speaker 1: it's kind of nests. I mean, I think you know
Speaker 1: and you got to take advantage of where the rules are.
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the worst rules the NFL has.
Speaker 1: But when when you get to run twenty five yards
Speaker 1: and then decide that you get to slide part he's over. Yep,
Speaker 1: you got to take advantage of it. I think the
Speaker 1: NFL should change it, but they won't, and and you know,
Speaker 1: take advantage of it. And that to go back to
Speaker 1: the other point too, is I don't need Dak to
Speaker 1: run for sixty yards, you know, like Cam Newton. And
Speaker 1: you know, if he runs five times for twenty one
Speaker 1: yards and one of those is a touchdown and another
Speaker 1: one is a crucial third down conversion, that's pretty big
Speaker 1: even if it doesn't jump off the statue. If if
Speaker 1: he gets to the outside because he keeps the ball,
Speaker 1: he gets to the outside at the forty yard line
Speaker 1: and went twenty yards because and then then then you
Speaker 1: get down to the eight and they do it again,
Speaker 1: and that linebacker is cheating, going hope is Dad going
Speaker 1: to keep it? And that's all it takes for Zeke
Speaker 1: to run right up the middle because because the threat
Speaker 1: is there. So I definitely think you got to make
Speaker 1: it a staple. The one thing I will say, though,
Speaker 1: is I kind of agree with Stephen from this standpoint.
Speaker 1: If it's his own read and it's not there, then
Speaker 1: it doesn't. They don't need to call plays for him
Speaker 1: to run. They need to create those opportunities where it's
Speaker 1: an option, and that forces teams to say, we're gonna
Speaker 1: choose one way or the other. If a team's gonna
Speaker 1: say we're gonna take Dak away, we don't want Dak
Speaker 1: to be running free with the ball. That's fine. I'll
Speaker 1: give it to Zeke every time. And as a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, I'd love to give it to Zeke. So
Speaker 1: if they want to take that away, whatever they're gonna
Speaker 1: give up in order to take that away, then give
Speaker 1: it up. Take it away, and we'll gladly not run
Speaker 1: the quarterback. But that's from that standpoint. Yeah, he doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be he doesn't have him being a runner
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be a stapled offense. Him an option
Speaker 1: as a runner, to me, does have to be a
Speaker 1: staples offense. There's and that. I mean, we talked about
Speaker 1: the tight ends yesterday and we will keep talking about them,
Speaker 1: I'm sure. But there's two routes that I feel like
Speaker 1: they're gonna go with that They're gonna say this, we're
Speaker 1: not really doing this, well, we need to do something else,
Speaker 1: or they're gonna say, we're not doing this well because
Speaker 1: these guys are so new and we need to keep
Speaker 1: doing it so they get better. And that's just a
Speaker 1: guess on the way they're gonna I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: go to the latter part. They're gonna say, rather than
Speaker 1: do something else, because we're better at it, we're gonna
Speaker 1: just hammer this thing until we get about what we do,
Speaker 1: not with somebody to us. Oh yeah, all right, we
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