Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and Lauren Zima back here in the home
Speaker 1: office of Austin, Texas after what has been an amazing week,
Speaker 1: a coastal bi coastal week.
Speaker 2: Yes, I feel like I have walked into our house
Speaker 2: and I need to saying, Yes, who's back beck again?
Speaker 2: We're always leaving, We're never here. I'm sorry, home, we
Speaker 2: love you. No, it's been I mean we've been traveling.
Speaker 1: We did this to ourselves. We have nobody to blame
Speaker 1: but ourselves.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's on us. We traveled multiple cities a week
Speaker 2: every week in the month of May. But I think
Speaker 2: it's all gone well. We buckled down. The thing is,
Speaker 2: we knew what we were in for. We saw this plan ahead,
Speaker 2: we saw it coming, and.
Speaker 1: We travel great together. And you and I love an adventure. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's all things have piled up because so our first
Speaker 1: adventure was with our daughter Taylor. They're out of school
Speaker 1: TCU is out for the summer. We had planned a
Speaker 1: long time ago to go to New York because she
Speaker 1: kind of missed. We were going to do a senior
Speaker 1: trip from high school covid ye, so we decided, you
Speaker 1: know what, as soon as freshman year is over in college,
Speaker 1: let's go to New York. She is my Broadway food shopper.
Speaker 1: Like that is. We share that love together. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys know this, but Lauren loves
Speaker 1: the theater. Breaking news. Lauren loves it.
Speaker 2: Really worked out. It's funny. I do take a little
Speaker 2: bit of ownership for this. I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: a good or bad thing. But Chris's daughter, Taylor, she
Speaker 2: did theater and then she also played soccer and her
Speaker 2: freshman year of high school. So this is around when
Speaker 2: Chris and I started dating. I mean, within a few
Speaker 2: months she comes, you know where. She and I are
Speaker 2: talking about theater a lot, and I'm telling he about
Speaker 2: how much I love theater in high school. And within
Speaker 2: a few months she says to Chris, you know, dad,
Speaker 2: I don't want to do soccer anymore. I think I'm
Speaker 2: focusing on theater. Do you think having that influence in
Speaker 2: her life a little bit, I may have made a
Speaker 2: little extra.
Speaker 1: Because you were new into my life and my relationship.
Speaker 1: I had to pretend like that was okay with me.
Speaker 2: I know that was.
Speaker 1: It did hurt my heart a little bit because that
Speaker 1: was the last child to leave the game of soccer,
Speaker 1: the game I love so much. But to watch her
Speaker 1: grow and to choose something like theater, it was great
Speaker 1: and so we went and it was hardcore. LZ planned
Speaker 1: this to the tea of like we saw two shows
Speaker 1: a day and stop for food and that was about it.
Speaker 2: All I wanted to do when I get day. All
Speaker 2: I want to do when I go to New York
Speaker 2: is see great theater and eat great food.
Speaker 1: We and the dynamic. Just so you everyone can picture this,
Speaker 1: we all pile into one room.
Speaker 2: Yes we did.
Speaker 1: Where we are in New York. We all pile into
Speaker 1: one room and we make it work.
Speaker 2: I like a fun look. I'm a big as Chris
Speaker 2: said to me once a few months into our relationship,
Speaker 2: and I quote, oh, you talked to everyone in your
Speaker 2: family every day. Okay, that's how I am. Like to
Speaker 2: pile in Like I always shared a room growing up
Speaker 2: with my sister. I really never had my own room.
Speaker 2: I then moved into my college dorm and the my
Speaker 2: sorority house and always shared a room. As you know,
Speaker 2: I hate to be alone, but I just thought it
Speaker 2: would be fun. Like we were barely sleeping in the
Speaker 2: room anyways, So we had a you know, a suite
Speaker 2: with two queens. And honestly, what that meant for me
Speaker 2: was that when you fell asleep earlier than Taylor and
Speaker 2: I every night, and she and I just got to
Speaker 2: like stay up and watch friends and chat.
Speaker 1: I always feel and I love this in a good way.
Speaker 1: I become the third wheel when I'm with you and Taylor. Oh,
Speaker 1: and it's like the third wheel, but it's a good
Speaker 1: thing because like, look, I'm the dad, I'm the guy.
Speaker 1: You guys just go off in this other world that
Speaker 1: she loves and I love. And you know, one thing
Speaker 1: that my takeaway in one of the reasons I bring
Speaker 1: up this trip parenting each kid differently, this would have
Speaker 1: been a nightmare trip for my son. Forcing him on
Speaker 1: this trip would have taken away a little bit of
Speaker 1: the fun and the exuberants for all of us because
Speaker 1: he probably would have done it, but grudgingly so and
Speaker 1: just fallen asleep at all of the show.
Speaker 2: You would have done. It was the right thing to
Speaker 2: do for his sister.
Speaker 1: I think it's okay to separate and treat them different
Speaker 1: go on, especially as they get older. I know, when
Speaker 1: they're younger. You can't do this as much because it's
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Well, But I think the actually the important difference of
Speaker 2: what you're saying is because before we've preached parents each
Speaker 2: kid differently, but you're really talking about spending time with
Speaker 2: each kid separately at what they love to do.
Speaker 1: I did. I will say, even as a single dad,
Speaker 1: I did this. I would take my daughter on dates.
Speaker 1: We would go to dinners. We even went to New
Speaker 1: York when I was hosting the view co I co
Speaker 1: hosted for a week. I took Taylor with me and
Speaker 1: we went and saw shows and went to dinners. I
Speaker 1: would not have brought Joshua there because while he's been
Speaker 1: to New York many times with us, that's just not
Speaker 1: his thing. And so Taylor and I do different things.
Speaker 1: Then josh and I will go on our trips, whether
Speaker 1: it's we went to the World Lacrosse Games one time,
Speaker 1: we go.
Speaker 2: Together many times.
Speaker 1: Yes, so we'll do stuff like that. We'll go fishing,
Speaker 1: we'll go hunting, we'll go play golf, we'll do Yeah,
Speaker 1: what I was gonna do your stuff.
Speaker 2: What I was going to applaud you on, though, is
Speaker 2: even in as taking this trip with Taylor now you
Speaker 2: had taken to Taylor to New York to see Broadway
Speaker 2: several times before I was ever in the picture. And
Speaker 2: what's beautiful to me about that from this parenting and
Speaker 2: really any relationship perspective, is doing something that the person
Speaker 2: you love loves to do. And I mean, I know
Speaker 2: you like a show also, but you you know, you
Speaker 2: took Taylor and did that. Even though you coached her
Speaker 2: on her soccer team, you also took her to see
Speaker 2: plays and you made sure that she had that special
Speaker 2: attentive time with you. So seeing you guys together in
Speaker 2: New York now kind of felt like this cool full
Speaker 2: circle moment, and I was really happy that I got
Speaker 2: to be a part of it because.
Speaker 1: You get to reminisce about the times we've been there
Speaker 1: before and to hear her talk about going to Wicked
Speaker 1: or going to Lying Kaane.
Speaker 2: You're good at vibing with the girls I love. I
Speaker 2: give the show credit. I think it made you very
Speaker 2: good at chatting with the ladies Chris over brunch like
Speaker 2: nobody's business. And you have really created a relationship where Taylor.
Speaker 2: I was so not as open with my dad about
Speaker 2: dating and crushes and stuff. Taylor shares that stuff with
Speaker 2: you and she doesn't feel awkward about it, and that
Speaker 2: is on you. How do you think you created that? Like,
Speaker 2: how did you?
Speaker 1: I just think it's having that not honestly, watching the
Speaker 1: show with her helped back in the day. It's something
Speaker 1: you know, because I would have to watch the shows
Speaker 1: ahead of time. They would send me a screener, so
Speaker 1: if I was doing interviews or whatever, I'd be prepared
Speaker 1: for because you know what happened on the show, but
Speaker 1: you don't know what is going to end up on
Speaker 1: the editing room floor, so you can't talk about things
Speaker 1: that they aren't seen on TV. And so she would
Speaker 1: crawl into bed with me and we would watch the
Speaker 1: show a lot in her formative years and we would talk.
Speaker 1: It gave us a chance to, like, I remember Caitlyn
Speaker 1: Bristow season and Caitlin was being kind of accused of,
Speaker 1: you know, being a little loose or whatever memory she was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was with Nick and all that. It was, yeah,
Speaker 1: And so it was fun to stop the show and
Speaker 1: be like, what do you think about this? Taylor? And
Speaker 1: it gave you a gateway into having these conversations. And
Speaker 1: I've heard this from other parents that they've done the same,
Speaker 1: and I find that so I think just having these calm,
Speaker 1: cool conversations, I was never judgy, even if I wanted
Speaker 1: to be. In my head, if I wanted to say
Speaker 1: something that was aggressive or black and white about how
Speaker 1: I felt, you got to hold it in so they
Speaker 1: will continue to open up. But one thing I love
Speaker 1: about treating your kids differently. There is something to be
Speaker 1: said for taking your daughter to baseball games and you
Speaker 1: know she will love the things you love, but not
Speaker 1: forcing that because I love embracing what they enjoy. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, when Taylor went to the Texas
Speaker 1: Ranger baseball game, she sent me a picture because she
Speaker 1: knew I would enjoy that she was at a Ranger game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even though she wore a Yankee hat and it broke
Speaker 1: my heart.
Speaker 2: But I know he showed me this picture and he's like,
Speaker 2: this is so heartbreaking. I didn't even understand why. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what's wrong. I don't understand.
Speaker 1: But I think just having that that let the thought
Speaker 1: bubble come over your head of what you want to say.
Speaker 1: When she says I kissed a boy, don't have that
Speaker 1: knee jerk reaction you can have in your head. But
Speaker 1: don't say it. Ask well, yeah, ask them a question
Speaker 1: about it. Whatever you're thinking. Don't make a statement, ask
Speaker 1: a question. So then they will continue to talk and
Speaker 1: realize that they're not being judged.
Speaker 2: I've learned that from you, because if you do say
Speaker 2: your opinion right away, then what you risk is that
Speaker 2: they won't share with you again in.
Speaker 1: The future, shut down, or feel judged.
Speaker 2: And I mean, I love both my parents, obviously, but
Speaker 2: my parents did that and that one hundred percent is
Speaker 2: why I didn't. And look, I don't look back and
Speaker 2: judge them for that. They had different conversations about they
Speaker 2: didn't have the same sort of education we've all had
Speaker 2: on how to communicate and all that. But yeah, my
Speaker 2: parents definitely would give their opinion right away or get
Speaker 2: mad at me right away. And so then when things
Speaker 2: got bigger, I shared less with them because I was
Speaker 2: afraid of upsetting them or disappointing them or getting in trouble.
Speaker 2: And you've created the world where the kids share so
Speaker 2: much with you and they do feel so open with you.
Speaker 2: And that's any relationship, right even beyond parenting, is if
Speaker 2: I am vulnerable with someone, will they judge me? And
Speaker 2: the asking a question thing. I was giving somebody that
Speaker 2: advice the other day, because I think what asking a
Speaker 2: question does is really puts the onus on the other
Speaker 2: person to own up. If they feel like they you know, well,
Speaker 2: how do you feel about that? Well, then they kind
Speaker 2: of have to really look at themselves and say, how
Speaker 2: do I feel about what I did?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Make you look in the mirror a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but and not in a scary way, but in
Speaker 2: a way where Okay, they're going to place they're going
Speaker 2: to decide how they feel about themselves without you doing it.
Speaker 1: Always helps when you talk through even your own situations.
Speaker 1: Before we leave New York, I have to give a
Speaker 1: huge shout out to It's now on my mount Rushmore
Speaker 1: of Musicals and Juliette. Oh my God, huge shout out
Speaker 1: to the creative team and the actors, the writers behind
Speaker 1: and Juliette. If you were in New York, get a tick,
Speaker 1: go see this musical. It's fantastic. Absolutely music, the acting,
Speaker 1: the idea behind it. It's I don't want to give
Speaker 1: anything away, but think kind of wicked. As far as
Speaker 1: the creativity behind this story.
Speaker 2: Yes, they take the story of Romeo and Juliet and
Speaker 2: turn it on its head with the music of Max Martin,
Speaker 2: the producer who did like every Britney spears in sync,
Speaker 2: even Celine DIONSI so.
Speaker 1: Just know that he wrote basically any song you've ever
Speaker 1: heard from late nineties into the two thousands. This guy
Speaker 1: wrote these songs.
Speaker 2: No couldn't recommend Ajuliette enough. I'd heard it was good
Speaker 2: from some friends. It has now been nominated for multiple
Speaker 2: Tonys and we absolutely loved it. So definitely check that
Speaker 2: one out.
Speaker 1: So we head to the West Coast and Montecito, California,
Speaker 1: and we went to this iHeart event, Brett Young Concert
Speaker 1: at the Santa Barbara Bawl, which, by the way, speaking
Speaker 1: about rushmore of venues, I'd say Red Rocks, the Santa
Speaker 1: Barbara Bowl and then the Hollywood Bowl. As far as
Speaker 1: far as amphitheaters go, that is just epic concert venues.
Speaker 2: Love an outdoor concert, Yeah, And it's kind.
Speaker 1: Of Wrigley Field where you're going into a neighborhood and
Speaker 1: there's houses and the all of a sudden you're like,
Speaker 1: this is the entrance to the Santa Barbara Bowl and
Speaker 1: then there's just this amazing concert venue. But more importantly
Speaker 1: is who was there and the people we met and
Speaker 1: the people we got to hang out with, very very
Speaker 1: good friends that we got to hang out with, Andrew
Speaker 1: and Evonna Firestone, Ashley Aikenetti was there. Jared was not.
Speaker 1: He was home tending to the little one.
Speaker 2: We facetied him.
Speaker 1: We did FaceTime Jared and it was funny. It was
Speaker 1: one of those face times where you know, we're out
Speaker 1: having a great time. And this has happened to me
Speaker 1: many times. You are at home and you are just
Speaker 1: in your life. You've probably just fed the kids, probably
Speaker 1: been spit up on bathtime, just finally got the down,
Speaker 1: and then you are face timed into a bunch of
Speaker 1: screaming people having a great height.
Speaker 2: It's a great conversation, super clear, easy to understand, not
Speaker 2: at all annoying. It was just us screaming at Jared,
Speaker 2: but I know.
Speaker 1: Smiling and shaking his head. Let me off the phone.
Speaker 2: He was being very accommodating of us. You know. It
Speaker 2: was so good to see Ashley. I had not seen
Speaker 2: her since pre pandemic, maybe because they've moved to the
Speaker 2: East coast now they're in Rhode Island, but we were
Speaker 2: looking at pictures of the baby and talking and she
Speaker 2: and I had always been pretty close because we're very
Speaker 2: close to the same age, and we kind of started
Speaker 2: I started doing Bachelor interviews around the time she was
Speaker 2: first on the show. It was so good to see her.
Speaker 2: We had a blast.
Speaker 1: For me to have seen this woman grow and who
Speaker 1: she is now just floors me.
Speaker 2: Because not crazy, Like when I still stop and think
Speaker 2: about the fact that Ashley like manifested Jared. She and
Speaker 2: they are married and they have a baby. It really happened.
Speaker 1: Truly manifested him, and I mean did not give up
Speaker 1: the tenacity the blaby.
Speaker 2: She and I did of a moment I didn't tell
Speaker 2: you this, but we were We just had a moment,
Speaker 2: you know, after tequila number four where we just turned
Speaker 2: to each other. I think it was when we got
Speaker 2: off the FaceTime with Jared and I said, isn't it nuts?
Speaker 2: And she goes, I know, like I ended up with
Speaker 2: Jared and you ended up with Chris Harrison. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I know, it's so weird because she and I always
Speaker 2: talk about we went and grabbed a drink together at
Speaker 2: this spot in La really early on. This was when
Speaker 2: we were like both just in such a different rough place,
Speaker 2: so like you were just saying to have seen now,
Speaker 2: I mean, what is it like for you to look
Speaker 2: at her well?
Speaker 1: Just I mean, she was almost a caricature of herself.
Speaker 1: You know, she was a character at the time, and
Speaker 1: because she was a character on the show and the
Speaker 1: you know, emotions and the tears, and while that was her,
Speaker 1: it was definitely played up and shown on TV. And
Speaker 1: just seeing her grow up now and having these conversations
Speaker 1: like you were just mentioning, where there is so much
Speaker 1: depth and beauty to this woman. I just really enjoyed
Speaker 1: talking to her, and I'm going to have her and
Speaker 1: Jared on so I'm not going to go too much
Speaker 1: deeper into what we talked about, but it's just so
Speaker 1: amazing to see what a great mom she is, what
Speaker 1: a beautiful wife she is, and just what a good
Speaker 1: person and she just has such a great soul. I
Speaker 1: just loved her and it was great to see her
Speaker 1: and her and Ben they do the podcast together, so
Speaker 1: they have a great dynamic together and it's always good
Speaker 1: to see Ben Higgins. Jess was not there unfortunately. She
Speaker 1: I think she was attending a wedding this weekend, so
Speaker 1: they had to divide and conquer as well, and we
Speaker 1: missed her, but it's all. It was good to see them.
Speaker 2: And you did a podcast with Ben and Andrew Firestone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the two of them will be coming up, and
Speaker 1: then we'll do Ashley and Jared. It's also speaking of
Speaker 1: a podcast coming up this week. We're going to drop
Speaker 1: with Claire Crawley.
Speaker 2: Claire and her new husband Rhyme. We're there with us.
Speaker 2: It was a real meeting of the generations of some
Speaker 2: of the bachelor folks because we also had Gabby and Rae,
Speaker 2: who were more recent bachelorettes there in Santa Barbara. I'd
Speaker 2: met them, I'd interviewed them really early on. They're both lovely.
Speaker 1: I met one what's not driv I guess I met
Speaker 1: Gabby at an iHeart event in Vegas, but I had
Speaker 1: not met them together post being the bachelorettes. So and
Speaker 1: Zach and Katie, Yes, who were so nice, who are
Speaker 1: our neighbors.
Speaker 2: Live here in Austin. We have to hang out with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so exchange numbers and we will keep in contact.
Speaker 1: But the Claire and Ryan, they were the first. It
Speaker 1: was funny. I was walking just checked in. L Z
Speaker 1: was not with me and I was walking across the
Speaker 1: courtyard to our room there at the beautiful Rosewood and Montecito,
Speaker 1: and there's Claire, and then there's the guy Ryan, who
Speaker 1: I had not met yet, and so first person I
Speaker 1: got to see at the hotel, gave her a big
Speaker 1: hug and it almost got emotional just us seeing each
Speaker 1: other for the first time. She just gave me the
Speaker 1: really tight hog and then met this great guy Ryan,
Speaker 1: and then we got to hang out with him all weekend.
Speaker 2: Were you surprised by what came out in the podcast
Speaker 2: interview with Claire. I've listen to it, so I don't
Speaker 2: know what you guys got to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got deep. Oh she had some questions for me.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she had some questions about her season for me,
Speaker 1: which were interesting, some things that were kind of burning inside,
Speaker 1: and she's like, I've never asked you. I really want
Speaker 1: to know some of these answers and what you thought,
Speaker 1: because we had a very interesting relationship and her show
Speaker 1: obviously was so crazy on so many levels with the lockdown,
Speaker 1: trying to shoot the show. We were the only production
Speaker 1: going in Hollywood, and so all eyes were honest, and
Speaker 1: on top of that, you're trying to do the Bachelorette
Speaker 1: and she falls in love on night one. So there
Speaker 1: were a lot of layers and a lot of things
Speaker 1: we had to talk about, but the main thing is
Speaker 1: now she is married to Ryan, this great guy who
Speaker 1: we love and I think the perfect kind of guy
Speaker 1: for her because he is so even keeled, so chill.
Speaker 2: She did say that, she said he's so even, and
Speaker 2: she said she almost thought it wasn't real how even
Speaker 2: he was in the beginning. But now she's been with
Speaker 2: him a while and that's been consistent. And she also
Speaker 2: did tell me, well, he's just not on social media
Speaker 2: at all, which is great. He's so out of this
Speaker 2: world I've been in in years, and that was a
Speaker 2: real tell of what a good guy he is.
Speaker 1: I kept an eye on him because I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: blamed him at all if this happened. But when we
Speaker 1: all sat down together, we all went to dinner, and
Speaker 1: so there's Zach and Katie, there's Gabby and Rachel, there's
Speaker 1: the Firestones, You and I, Ashley and Ben and Claire.
Speaker 1: That's a lot at a table.
Speaker 2: And I just realized Ryan was the only well Evano. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but while Ryan's the only non Bachelor alum here.
Speaker 1: So this is Ryan introduced into a very bizarre situation.
Speaker 1: He did not shrink from the moment. He really quietly
Speaker 1: as he would do, very chill guy, but stayed present
Speaker 1: and just supported Claire. I could tell they were together,
Speaker 1: and it was that's when I thought, Okay, this guy,
Speaker 1: he's a man. He's a legit good man.
Speaker 2: That is so telling of It's so true how we
Speaker 2: judge people in a moment like that though, right, And
Speaker 2: I don't even mean from a bad perspective. I think, well,
Speaker 2: do you judge from a protective perspective with somebody like Claire?
Speaker 1: It would not have shocked me at all if if
Speaker 1: the moment had just been too much and he just
Speaker 1: kind of sank back into the background of like I
Speaker 1: don't want anybody.
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, So my first question, if it's somebody
Speaker 2: like Claire, someone you've known, I mean, Claire had been
Speaker 2: a contestant several times then bachelorette, how do you go
Speaker 2: a little bit into like dad mode when you meet
Speaker 2: Somebody's for sure.
Speaker 1: I feel like when people introduce me and Claire may
Speaker 1: feel the same, even though she's a little closer to
Speaker 1: my age, it's like, you know, it's meeting your dad.
Speaker 1: For the first time to a certain degree, and there
Speaker 1: is that element of I'm very protective and judgy.
Speaker 2: Ill how firm is the handshake?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's see exactly are you? Are you looking me
Speaker 1: in the eyes? Your hat on backwards or you wear
Speaker 1: a hat indoors, all those things that you know, I
Speaker 1: think about with my kids for sure. So I was
Speaker 1: judging Ryan.
Speaker 2: So we're judging Ryan. And the thing is he's in
Speaker 2: this perfect situation to judge. It's like a meeting the
Speaker 2: family thing. Are you going to be balanced? Are you
Speaker 2: going to be outgoing? You don't want to be too weird,
Speaker 2: but also you don't want to try to take the spot.
Speaker 1: Like Tim aks. Ryan was in the perfect position to fail,
Speaker 1: and he succeeded on a grand scale. And that's what
Speaker 1: impressed me. If he had failed this weekend, where it
Speaker 1: just would have been too much and he's like, this
Speaker 1: is not my scene. I got to get out of here.
Speaker 1: I'm going to stay in the room. But he didn't.
Speaker 1: He actually went the opposite direction and was amazing and
Speaker 1: so and you could just see the love between he
Speaker 1: and Claire really moved me.
Speaker 2: And I'm just I was just wearing matching sneakers.
Speaker 1: They were the matching Nike sneakers.
Speaker 2: That was.
Speaker 1: Really cool.
Speaker 2: It was good to see Claire happy. She has had
Speaker 2: ups and downs in her life, both on and off
Speaker 2: the show. It was it really warmed my heart. I
Speaker 2: felt the same. I felt like I gave her a
Speaker 2: really tight hug because it was just so nice to
Speaker 2: see her so joyful.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, would they look for that episode of
Speaker 1: the most dramatic podcast coming out. It was funny because
Speaker 1: Ryan sat on the couch during the entire podcast. There
Speaker 1: was a microphone sitting there. I tried to get him
Speaker 1: on a couple of times. He would not have it.
Speaker 2: He had no social media, no pod.
Speaker 1: I said, in this relationship, there's a pen and there's
Speaker 1: a teller, and he stuck to it and he never spoke.
Speaker 1: But it was nice. And at dinner I kind of
Speaker 1: was goaded into giving them a nice toast and.
Speaker 2: I yes, well, you always rise to the occasion, baby,
Speaker 2: you are. Chris is often put on the spot. I
Speaker 2: don't know why. It's as if he raised glasses and
Speaker 2: roses for twenty years. But somebody said, because we all
Speaker 2: us stood up and just said cheers to all being together.
Speaker 2: And then somebody was like, in congrats to Clare and Ryan,
Speaker 2: and then someone said, Chris, make a toast for their wedding,
Speaker 2: and then you before trying to get you to go
Speaker 2: around and toast everybody, which would have been a fun
Speaker 2: drinking game, Harris and toasting game.
Speaker 1: When we got done with with Ryan and Claire, Gabby
Speaker 1: and Rachel were like, wait, wait, wait, don't sit down,
Speaker 1: do me do me toast us? And so we had
Speaker 1: a great eye and it was fun to meet. So,
Speaker 1: you know, we really hadn't gotten to know Gabby and Rachel.
Speaker 1: I didn't know much because you know, as I told them,
Speaker 1: I didn't watch their season. So they told us a
Speaker 1: little bit about the show and told me about their experiences.
Speaker 1: And Zach and Katie, who just seemed like the most normal,
Speaker 1: down home people. Look. I mean, you would think they
Speaker 1: just met at a you know, oracle convention in Orlando.
Speaker 2: What's an oracle convention?
Speaker 1: That's what he works for all he's a tech guy,
Speaker 1: got it.
Speaker 2: Yes, they were very grounded. And it's one thing I
Speaker 2: noticed from the weekend. You do, baby, you just have
Speaker 2: a presence about you. I think people are attracted to
Speaker 2: or reach out for your mentorship. Like you could tell
Speaker 2: with I don't know. Everybody was just it's like they
Speaker 2: immediately want your advice or want to feel like taken
Speaker 2: into the fold or something. And it's a very good
Speaker 2: quality that you have. It's a very protective quality that
Speaker 2: I think people pick up on even when they first
Speaker 2: meet too.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, and I don't know about you, but
Speaker 1: I felt nothing but love in the room. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's one of those things like we don't know these people,
Speaker 1: we hadn't met them yet, it might be weird. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know. I used to host the show that they
Speaker 1: were on, and and it turned out everybody was just
Speaker 1: so loving and so open, and we had some great
Speaker 1: conversations and we went to the concert. Brett Young, by
Speaker 1: the way, killed it. We did some shots backstage with
Speaker 1: bread shots. By the way, Brett Young came in backstage,
Speaker 1: said hi to us, and he popped a shot as well.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I miss that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if he was shooting water and
Speaker 1: acted like it was a shot, but walked on stage
Speaker 1: and then crushed the show.
Speaker 2: And that's a rock star. I was. I did several shots.
Speaker 2: I do have done this one. This is just my
Speaker 2: personal you guys, I consider this a life saver. If
Speaker 2: you haven't gotten Cheers supplements on Amazon or on their website,
Speaker 2: they're called Cheers. It's an all natural supplement. I bring
Speaker 2: it up because I felt a little proud of my
Speaker 2: I took two of those at the end of the night.
Speaker 2: I think I was the only person in the group
Speaker 2: who wasn't a little hungover.
Speaker 1: Everybody was a little slow.
Speaker 2: It was a little rough Sunday.
Speaker 1: We walked around Sunday, we ran into Zach and Katie again,
Speaker 1: and we ran into everyone else, and everyone was a
Speaker 1: little blurry eyed because.
Speaker 2: You had a tuckle of a headache.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm not gonna truth. It was Uh, we
Speaker 1: had a good We had a great time. By the way,
Speaker 1: how about the news that dropped about Gabby Oh and
Speaker 1: Ben Higgins.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, she said this, because they did Ashley Ben's
Speaker 2: podcast came out this weekend. Slid into Ben's DMS after
Speaker 2: obviously he was on the show, and long before she
Speaker 2: was what a reveal. I don't know if I would
Speaker 2: have revealed that I.
Speaker 1: She said she went back and deleted it so Ben
Speaker 1: could not go back and find this.
Speaker 2: So we obviously never read it or saw it. But Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was that's really funny. Now I want her to
Speaker 2: say what she.
Speaker 1: Said, did you ever slew into anyone's DMS beyond me,
Speaker 1: anyone that was notable? And did anyone notable ever slide
Speaker 1: into your dms?
Speaker 2: John Mayer watched a couple of my Instagram stories one time,
Speaker 2: which was the track, but he never DMed me and
Speaker 2: I never DMed him. But one time I was just
Speaker 2: looking at my Instagram stories and I'm like, and this
Speaker 2: is when I was single, and I was like, John
Speaker 2: Mayer is watching all my Instagram stories. That's so weird.
Speaker 2: I kind of forgot about it in just until this moment.
Speaker 1: I got invited. I didn't go because I had to work. Well,
Speaker 1: John Mayer and Katie Perry were dating. If I remember correctly,
Speaker 1: they dated. I think it was them.
Speaker 2: I can't in fact check this. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't know why I'm blanking on this. I'm usually better.
Speaker 2: I'm so tired real quick, though. Who's slid into your DMS?
Speaker 2: Or have you ever?
Speaker 1: Nobody? I can't remember anybody of note, Like, nobody famous, nobody,
Speaker 1: Like we're like, oh my gosh, you know, I've met
Speaker 1: some people, some cool people via d ms were you know,
Speaker 1: but nobody uh relates.
Speaker 2: Did you ever feel like anyone any other celebrity you
Speaker 2: ever met was a little flirty with you or did
Speaker 2: you hope that it would be? Wow?
Speaker 1: M Denise Richards ended up at my birthday one time.
Speaker 1: Oh we were a little flirty.
Speaker 2: Oh it was a long time A bond girl. Yes,
Speaker 2: I love Denise.
Speaker 1: I thought that might be a little too much for me.
Speaker 2: Couldn't handle. Yeah, she's She's a bombshell.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think who else. I'm sure there have
Speaker 1: been others that I was together and because while I
Speaker 1: was single, I kind of was opened everything. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'll just and you blew your shot with the bond girl.
Speaker 1: I know, dude, get it together. I mean, what do
Speaker 1: you mean she's too much for Denise Richards? Yes, I
Speaker 1: think she was single at the time, as was I.
Speaker 2: Wow, you shrunk from the moment I did. Wow. Okay, okay, Yes,
Speaker 2: John Mayor and Katy Berry did date. I can't believe
Speaker 2: that I forgot that they dated ten years ago.
Speaker 1: The one thing that I got dmmed about was he
Speaker 1: reached out because there was a river trip, a float
Speaker 1: trip they were all going on with a bunch of
Speaker 1: friends and it was Katie's birthday, and he said Katie
Speaker 1: loved The Bachelor. I guess. And he said he would
Speaker 1: be really funny if you showed up on the river
Speaker 1: trip and then went with us.
Speaker 2: You just appear from the water.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I thought, one hundred percent, I will do
Speaker 1: this if I could make it work with the Bachelor
Speaker 1: bacherette taping, which ended up screwing it all up. But
Speaker 1: I thought, if nothing else, what a great story to
Speaker 1: have gone on this river trip and just showing.
Speaker 2: Was a nightmare birthday excursion. To go on a float trip,
Speaker 2: Oh my god. If I mean, those were the thing
Speaker 2: when I lived in the Midwest. If anybody float trips,
Speaker 2: it's basically just you're in an inner tube with your
Speaker 2: butt in pretty gross water that people are peeing and
Speaker 2: probably puking, and you're just floating down a river and
Speaker 2: getting eaten alive by mosquitoes. It's absolute nightmare.
Speaker 1: Got attached to a few people justin Bieber's mom.
Speaker 2: Wow, let's clear it up here.
Speaker 1: And now we never went on a date, and we
Speaker 1: never went on we were never romantic. Never was she
Speaker 1: I met her because again, huge Bachelor fan, and so
Speaker 1: we were at a concert with Taylor. I was at
Speaker 1: a concert with Taylor and we were invited backstage. I
Speaker 1: don't know how they knew we were there, but we
Speaker 1: got sent backstage to meet Justin. Mom was there, Mama Bieber,
Speaker 1: and we hit it off and she says, Hey, next
Speaker 1: time we're in town, I'll call you bring you guys
Speaker 1: to the show. So we did. Taylor and I went again,
Speaker 1: went backstage, had dinner, and got to meet Justin again,
Speaker 1: and we walked around and somebody they obviously took some
Speaker 1: pictures of us, and it got out and it was
Speaker 1: she has a rabbit fan base. I'm not talking Justin.
Speaker 1: Mama Bieber has a rabbit fan base.
Speaker 2: So did they like the idea of that? He did.
Speaker 1: Actually, it was okay with them for her, but it
Speaker 1: spread like wildfire, and it's like, it's a one of
Speaker 1: those kind of awkward situations you don't want to like
Speaker 1: denounce somebody. But I was like, we're not, we're not dating.
Speaker 1: But she was lovely.
Speaker 2: I've never asked you this any other rumored romances from
Speaker 2: over the years that you would like to clear up here, and.
Speaker 1: Now, Chris Harrison, I think that's it.
Speaker 2: I'm really going into et interview mode.
Speaker 1: Now, I think that's it.
Speaker 2: Okay, one last question. How many things over the years.
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine that you had to turn down
Speaker 2: like that float trip because the show was filming. I mean,
Speaker 2: you're filming Bachelor, Bachelrette and Paradise.
Speaker 1: I's gone pretty much the entire year.
Speaker 2: Is there anything else that comes to mind of an
Speaker 2: ugh moment where you had to miss something?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the stuff it's golf, Well it was yeah,
Speaker 1: kids stuff crush me. But a lot of golf stuff
Speaker 1: like playing in the Tahoe the Big Tahoe Open. I
Speaker 1: actually had to turn on even playing in the first
Speaker 1: at and t at Pebble Beach because I was working
Speaker 1: one year. So there was a lot of that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. What about other jobs, Oh, it's a lot
Speaker 1: of there was. There was a lot of other jobs. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just couldn't do it. So I try and it
Speaker 1: just you tried to shoehorn it in because and it
Speaker 1: wasn't fair to the other production because obviously Bacher Bacherette
Speaker 1: was first chair. They were my baby. I was going
Speaker 1: to do first and we just had these short four
Speaker 1: week windows. It's like, how are you going to come
Speaker 1: in and shoot fifty episodes of a game show in
Speaker 1: four weeks, right or be hones. Eventually I did make
Speaker 1: it work with Millionaire and we shot it over the summer.
Speaker 1: I would go from Paradise straight to Vegas and be
Speaker 1: there for ten weeks, and it just got to be
Speaker 1: too much.
Speaker 2: I know, it's funny and I have talked about how
Speaker 2: back then we don't know if our relationship would have
Speaker 2: made it because your schedule was so cool.
Speaker 1: Again, unanswered prayers. I think one of the great things
Speaker 1: of being canceled was being able to fall in love.
Speaker 1: It gave me a life and as something I had
Speaker 1: been missing. And so you can't have all things. Anybody
Speaker 1: who says they can do it all and have it all,
Speaker 1: you cannot. You cannot give one hundred percent to your career,
Speaker 1: travel around the world the way I was going, I
Speaker 1: was burning it at both ends, trying to be a
Speaker 1: good parent, trying to work one hundred percent of the time,
Speaker 1: and then trying to fall in love. I could not
Speaker 1: give you one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: That's nice to hear because and I hated having to
Speaker 2: ask this question. A lot of the times in working
Speaker 2: in entertainment news they'd want us to ask how do
Speaker 2: you balance it all? How do you do it all?
Speaker 2: And that is the answer, right, you don't. You can't
Speaker 2: do it all. It's that old adage about like there's
Speaker 2: something you can have one ball in the air, but
Speaker 2: I don't know. You got to drop them. You can't anyway.
Speaker 1: You've got to make it work. You got to. You
Speaker 1: have to figure out what is important to you at
Speaker 1: the time, and when those things conflict, you're making a choice.
Speaker 1: And then sometimes you just don't have a choice, which
Speaker 1: is your daughter's in the school of play and you're
Speaker 1: in asia and you just can't get back.
Speaker 2: And sometimes rejection is God's protection.
Speaker 1: The Carrushians and this is very applicable to this conversation.
Speaker 2: Oh, speaking of doing it all, Yes, Kim Kardashian.
Speaker 1: Went on a podcast and she was talking about being
Speaker 1: a single mom since you know, splitting with Kanye and
Speaker 1: now she has the kids North Chicago, Saint and Psalm.
Speaker 1: They are ages nine to four years old, and she
Speaker 1: is a single mom, and she kind of opened up
Speaker 1: something I very much related to because Kim's forty two
Speaker 1: and this is about the time I was divorced. My
Speaker 1: kids were My oldest is probably about nine, so I
Speaker 1: was right in that wheelhouse, same age. She has younger kids,
Speaker 1: but how she basically cries herself to sleep some nights,
Speaker 1: and not in a bad way. It's just it's a lot.
Speaker 1: Just it was great to hear how honest she was
Speaker 1: of what a show it is in a beautiful way,
Speaker 1: but it's a show. There's kids, you know, in the morning,
Speaker 1: you're cooking four different meals, and someone lost their shoes,
Speaker 1: and someone needs their hair braided just right, and it's
Speaker 1: just she talked about juggling all those balls and trying
Speaker 1: to keep it in the air. And at the end
Speaker 1: of the night, you're just You're just a normal person.
Speaker 1: And I don't care if you're a billionaire. You're exhausted.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, I think what this does
Speaker 2: speak to is obviously Kim has a lot more financial
Speaker 2: resources and help that she can hire to assist with parenting,
Speaker 2: but still at the end of the day, I was
Speaker 2: thinking about it from a much different perspective. But like,
Speaker 2: even if you get a wedding planner, you still got
Speaker 2: to make a lot of decisions and do things as
Speaker 2: a bride, and if you're a parent, we know this
Speaker 2: to be true, Well, we don't have a wedding planner. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I do think if you're a parent, especially if
Speaker 2: you want to be a present parent. Look, I'm sure
Speaker 2: she has amazing help and that's awesome, but she maybe
Speaker 2: she still wants to be the one, you know, braiding
Speaker 2: her daughter's hair and helping them in the morning. And so,
Speaker 2: no matter what, that is tiring. Did you have moments
Speaker 2: where you cried yourself to sleep at night as a
Speaker 2: single day.
Speaker 1: I was just going to say I've never I never
Speaker 1: cried myself to sleep, but there were definitely overwhelming moments,
Speaker 1: especially early on when I first moved into my house
Speaker 1: after I separated from my wife, and the kids are
Speaker 1: staying with me, and this is I moved out, and
Speaker 1: so they had she had the old house with their
Speaker 1: beds and their normal rooms, and so everything was new,
Speaker 1: and so you know, there was the nights where the
Speaker 1: kids wanted to come sleep in my bed because there
Speaker 1: was just their rooms are foreign to them, and they're
Speaker 1: trying to get used to all this and you're trying
Speaker 1: to make it a new normal. But it's not normal.
Speaker 1: There's nothing normal about it. You are changing houses. You
Speaker 1: got to bring your shin guards and your soccer ball
Speaker 1: and your your you know, your homework and things inevitably
Speaker 1: get left behind and you got to go back and
Speaker 1: forth and it's not normal, and so you got to
Speaker 1: show them that they're still loved and everything's okay. But
Speaker 1: it's a lot. And so, yeah, they get home from
Speaker 1: school and you are an uber driver going all over
Speaker 1: the place. Then you got to make dinner. You don't
Speaker 1: realize how little you probably do when you are married,
Speaker 1: just because there's two of you as opposed to when
Speaker 1: you are alone, and it's one hundred percent you, because
Speaker 1: you get to the end of the night and you
Speaker 1: just lay in bed and you're like, sweet Jesus, like
Speaker 1: what just happened? Like can I do this? Can I
Speaker 1: do this? And am I screwing my kids up? And
Speaker 1: that's the ultimate is am I screwing them up? And
Speaker 1: that's the ultimate thing that hits you in the heart.
Speaker 1: And you just got to wake up the next day
Speaker 1: and make their waffles and get them off to school
Speaker 1: and do it all over again.
Speaker 2: What advice would you give to Kim then, having been
Speaker 2: in the position she's.
Speaker 1: In, Well, I love that Kim. To me, what spoke
Speaker 1: to me is yes, she probably does have some help.
Speaker 1: But what spoke to me is that's a woman who
Speaker 1: is in the trenches. The thing she was saying, you're
Speaker 1: not witnessing that, you're not hearing about it. She's those
Speaker 1: were things well.
Speaker 2: When she said, the kids are just on you, you know,
Speaker 2: they just want you. That's the thing. Right at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, they're going to want their parents.
Speaker 1: By the way, I had two, she has four.
Speaker 2: So what advice would you have for her if any.
Speaker 1: Well, she had the great perspective. Two things she said
Speaker 1: that I say all the time, the days go by slow,
Speaker 1: the years go by fast. Realize that it's a beautiful
Speaker 1: mess and you have to embrace this moment and drink
Speaker 1: it all in, because I promise you, in a blink
Speaker 1: of an eye, you are dropping them off at college.
Speaker 1: In the blink of an eye, they're about to graduate college.
Speaker 1: And you will miss those moments if you weren't in them.
Speaker 1: And I say the same things to the Firestones and
Speaker 1: to Ashley, And when we were talking to any new parent,
Speaker 1: I'm like, embrace these moments. Even when you're frustrated and
Speaker 1: you're fighting with your spouse and all that stuff happens
Speaker 1: drink it in because these are the moments that will
Speaker 1: be gone so quick. And so you know, I don't
Speaker 1: want to go back there because I know it's a tornado,
Speaker 1: But I'm glad I was in them when they were there.
Speaker 1: And that's and that's Kim's perspective, and I love that.
Speaker 1: The other thing she said is and it's so true.
Speaker 1: I have learned more about myself being a single parent
Speaker 1: than I ever knew.
Speaker 2: Oh you just so that's on another level, even from
Speaker 2: being a parent and married, when you become a single parent.
Speaker 1: Because it exposes so many of your weaknesses, your faults,
Speaker 1: your strengths.
Speaker 2: It's what are your weaknesses?
Speaker 1: It just well, do I have a hot temper? Am
Speaker 1: I a black and white issue person? Am I able
Speaker 1: to communicate? Can I manage these human beings? Because however
Speaker 1: small they are, they will find your weakness and they
Speaker 1: will It's like fighting a war and the enemy knows
Speaker 1: your weakness and they're going to exploit that. That is children,
Speaker 1: they will exploit your weakness. When they know that you
Speaker 1: don't like being embarrassed in public, or they know you
Speaker 1: don't like being talked back to, well, they know how
Speaker 1: to push.
Speaker 2: The buttons look, I give you the credit on this.
Speaker 2: You made it through. Like some people would maybe being
Speaker 2: a single parent would negatively affect them. It made you better,
Speaker 2: and so that is a reflection of your character. But
Speaker 2: I have said to your ex wife before, and I
Speaker 2: mean this from the bottom of my heart, I think
Speaker 2: I have a better, more mature, more grown version of
Speaker 2: you than she did. You guys got together and you
Speaker 2: were married when you were twenty two, and then you
Speaker 2: had kids at thirty. And you know, I've gotten this.
Speaker 2: I've arrived to this version of you in your mid forties.
Speaker 2: It's very different. So certainly that you chose to grow
Speaker 2: from that situation. But I've kind of laughed and told
Speaker 2: some of my friends, Hey, if you want like a
Speaker 2: super complicated, messed up sounding way of finding the perfect person,
Speaker 2: get divorced yourself and then go marry someone who's been
Speaker 2: a single dad, because that guy has figured it out.
Speaker 2: He knows how to do laundry, he knows how to cook.
Speaker 2: I mean, you steam my clothes and all this traveling
Speaker 2: we're doing. Chris Harrison an incredible steamer of clothes. He
Speaker 2: steams the dresses for the.
Speaker 1: Weddings that they've gone to many years with Terry Fatman
Speaker 1: from show Yes, who dressed me and taught me how
Speaker 1: to steam from the first steam from the inside out.
Speaker 1: People roll it through the inside of your shirt, not
Speaker 1: on the outside.
Speaker 2: That's going to help protest the big takeaway.
Speaker 1: But I appreciate Kim Kay. And by the way, you know,
Speaker 1: I got to give credit where credits due as well
Speaker 1: my ex mother of my kids. I went through this
Speaker 1: with someone who's a good mom who when my kids
Speaker 1: weren't with me, I felt safe and secure that my
Speaker 1: kids were in a good place, so I could travel,
Speaker 1: I could do things, and I knew when I was
Speaker 1: working my kids were being cared for. And God bless
Speaker 1: those that don't have that. I don't know that Kim
Speaker 1: Kay has that with Kanye, so she may be a
Speaker 1: one man band. And if you don't ever get a break,
Speaker 1: God bless you. I feel for you. Oh I skipped
Speaker 1: a story. I got to get to this because this
Speaker 1: happened on the show. There's a guy and this has
Speaker 1: gone hugely viral who he is traveling with his spouse
Speaker 1: and oh yes, he's flying first class. And this guy
Speaker 1: gets upgraded a lot, so he flies first class and
Speaker 1: he leaves his wife and coach. And the reason this
Speaker 1: hit me is because somebody on our show. I will
Speaker 1: not out this person, but there was someone prominent on
Speaker 1: our show that did this a lot when he would
Speaker 1: bring girlfriends on the show on the road.
Speaker 2: Okay, now you have to out the person.
Speaker 1: I cannot. He's married now and he's happy and so
Speaker 1: life is good. But he would bring women on the
Speaker 1: road and they would sit and coach and we were
Speaker 1: sitting in first class, and I was just looking at
Speaker 1: him like, dude, First of all, how do you do this?
Speaker 1: Second of all, how is she going to talk to
Speaker 1: you when we reach where we're going? Because that is
Speaker 1: just not well.
Speaker 2: Did you see the women react? Did they have reactions?
Speaker 1: They weren't around for long, so clearly was not a
Speaker 1: pro move.
Speaker 2: Okay, to clarify, the reason you bring this up is
Speaker 2: this is an article in the New York Times. It
Speaker 2: is a column where someone is written into the magazines.
Speaker 2: I didn't know they had it, ethicist columnist on this
Speaker 2: marital issue. And this person writes it and says, my
Speaker 2: husband flies first class and puts me and our kids
Speaker 2: in coach. Is that fair? He gets upgraded and the
Speaker 2: wife and kids are back in coach and she says
Speaker 2: she feels a she feels it's unfair, and he's even suggested, well,
Speaker 2: maybe they should travel alone on different flights so they
Speaker 2: don't feel bad about the disparity. So this person asks,
Speaker 2: you know, am I wrong in being upset about this?
Speaker 2: And this blew my mind. It is, as you said,
Speaker 2: things don't really go viral anymore, but this has gone
Speaker 2: viral because it's so bizarre to me. I don't I
Speaker 2: almost don't believe it. I have to tell you, I
Speaker 2: have wondered did if I made up?
Speaker 1: If I didn't know this story happened myself, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: believe it. But I watched this happen for five years.
Speaker 2: But it's one thing for someone who's just dating somebody
Speaker 2: to be like, like, I don't know, say I'm dating
Speaker 2: someone in They're like, we're gonna fly somewhere together, and
Speaker 2: then I show up and he's in first. Okay, I
Speaker 2: guess that could happen one time and then we'd be done.
Speaker 2: But how is someone who's married to somebody else. I
Speaker 2: saw somebody a journalist I follow, Yashar Ali just subtweeted
Speaker 2: it with the word divorce, like divorce this person.
Speaker 1: First of all, this guy total d bag. I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, man, but I don't This can't happens to
Speaker 1: you and I. This opportunity comes up with you and
Speaker 1: I all the time, by.
Speaker 2: The way, more so for me because I have better status.
Speaker 1: Only now this last week, but before then, it happened
Speaker 1: a lot where we would be on the list for
Speaker 1: upgrades and we would be in coach and then they
Speaker 1: would call, and oftentimes, even if we're on the same reservation,
Speaker 1: they only have one seat.
Speaker 2: And I would always tell you take the seat. I
Speaker 2: don't care. And I really meant that because I knew
Speaker 2: you traveled so much and I wanted you to have
Speaker 2: the more comfortable seat, and it was not a big deal.
Speaker 2: I really would not have been upset if you had you.
Speaker 1: Remember we did it one time. I did it one time.
Speaker 2: Well, Chris's back had gone out and he could barely walk,
Speaker 2: and I said, take the first class seat, babe, it's fine,
Speaker 2: And then you were so riddled with guilt the entire time.
Speaker 1: Me, I would never do that. You know me, First
Speaker 1: of all, I care way too much about what other
Speaker 1: people think, so I could never be this guy anyway.
Speaker 1: And the one time we did it. It just ruined me.
Speaker 2: You know, well, now I got to ask you that's true.
Speaker 2: It would look pretty crappy if somebody recognized you and
Speaker 2: me and said, wait, Chris, you're in first and Lauren's
Speaker 2: back in economy. So is that the only reason you'd
Speaker 2: do it? Babe? I thought you were being a good nose.
Speaker 2: I just divorce divorce.
Speaker 1: Would never do that, nor, by the way, would I
Speaker 1: expect you to do that. And we get this opportunity
Speaker 1: all the time because we'll get upgraded or asked to
Speaker 1: and and we say, here's a big first thing. We
Speaker 1: say do you have one or two? And there's one
Speaker 1: like let it go? Like no, we're not. We're going
Speaker 1: to sit together.
Speaker 2: Right. This did just happen to Love's Company. I just
Speaker 2: turned it down at the when we were stuck for
Speaker 2: the Kentucky Derby, we were trying to get on a
Speaker 2: standby flight and they said, we have one seat to upgrade.
Speaker 2: Do you want it? And we said no, we won't
Speaker 2: even go on the flight.
Speaker 1: The funny thing is they called you first, and then
Speaker 1: they called.
Speaker 2: Me, yeah, babe, because I have better status than you, And.
Speaker 1: I was guilted into turning it down to.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no way I'm going to turn it down,
Speaker 2: and then you would turn it down after me. But
Speaker 2: here's a big difference to me. Also, these people have kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is the deal breaker. Definitely divorced this guy.
Speaker 2: So I find it. That's why I'm so fired up
Speaker 2: about it and why I'm so skeptical. And I almost
Speaker 2: feel like The New York Times just did this for clickbait,
Speaker 2: for this very reason, because they knew people would be
Speaker 2: so opinioning.
Speaker 1: They had I'm glad to hear the New York Times
Speaker 1: as an ethics department, Well, it.
Speaker 2: Doesn't it just doesn't even seem like an ethical question
Speaker 2: we should be debating. Let's get into more serious stuff
Speaker 2: ethics called now.
Speaker 1: This guy should be launched.
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you stick your wife in economy,
Speaker 2: taking care of your kids every time and Europe in
Speaker 2: first class having a cocktail. This is not it's bizarre, unacceptable.
Speaker 2: I can't even I have no words.
Speaker 1: Get a good attorney. Oh my god, because first of all,
Speaker 1: if he's going to do it on a plane like this, oh,
Speaker 1: what's there, he's clearly marginalizing you throughout your entire life.
Speaker 1: If he has no issues at all, yeah, you're not
Speaker 1: unless there is some medical ailment that we don't know
Speaker 1: about that this guy needs. No.
Speaker 2: I think she would have disclosed. Yes. What's great is
Speaker 2: that the ethicist rights the first sentence. The ethicist rates
Speaker 2: back to this person who's asking for advice. Is the
Speaker 2: institution of marriage has always taken on characteristics of the
Speaker 2: society in which it arises. Say just say divorce. No,
Speaker 2: it's I can't. I can't justify it. I really can't.
Speaker 2: What could possibly no?
Speaker 1: I agree, I mean, there's no defense. I would love
Speaker 1: to stick up for this guy somehow, some way, but
Speaker 1: one hundred percent he's in the wrong. One hundred percent
Speaker 1: he's a d bag. One hundred percent. This is worthy
Speaker 1: of breaking up.
Speaker 2: Here's what he absolutely should be doing every time they fly,
Speaker 2: especially if he's the one I think who's off traveling
Speaker 2: for work. I guess it seems like the guy gets
Speaker 2: upgrades because he travels a lot for work. When you're
Speaker 2: flying for work on your own, take the upgrade. When
Speaker 2: you have your wife and kids with you, you say, honey,
Speaker 2: take my first class seat. I'll be in the back
Speaker 2: with the kids. And that's what you do.
Speaker 1: Sounds like that would never enter his mind. Goodbye, goodbye
Speaker 1: and thank you. What a good what a good note
Speaker 1: to end on. Goodbye divorce, Goodbye to this guy, and
Speaker 1: goodbye to you. We had a great week. Uh again,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad New York and Broadway is open. I
Speaker 1: am so glad that we got to meet everybody at
Speaker 1: the iHeart event there in Santa Barbara, met some new friends,
Speaker 1: get to reconnect with some old and I'm glad you
Speaker 1: and I made it back home to see our house again. Yes,
Speaker 1: good to be home in Austin.
Speaker 2: And uh, you know this weekend we leave again, so
Speaker 2: we do. The train keeps on going, but I would
Speaker 2: always want to be on it with you, babe.
Speaker 1: In economy and we will be an economy. And look
Speaker 1: this week for some special episodes about to drop again.
Speaker 1: It's very special episode with Claire, her husband Ryan, who
Speaker 1: is silent but he's sitting there the entire time, and
Speaker 1: my good friends Ben Higgins and Andrew Firestone. That is
Speaker 1: all coming up in the next couple of weeks. Until then,
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