WEBVTT - A Dramatic Bachelor Getaway 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:06.000 This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:11.119 Chris Harrison and Lauren Zima back here in the home 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:15.560 office of Austin, Texas after what has been an amazing week, 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:17.840 a coastal bi coastal week. 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:20.759 Yes, I feel like I have walked into our house 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:24.200 and I need to saying, Yes, who's back beck again? 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:27.720 We're always leaving, We're never here. I'm sorry, home, we 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:30.440 love you. No, it's been I mean we've been traveling. 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:32.840 We did this to ourselves. We have nobody to blame 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:33.479 but ourselves. 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:37.040 Oh, it's on us. We traveled multiple cities a week 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:39.159 every week in the month of May. But I think 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:40.960 it's all gone well. We buckled down. The thing is, 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:44.240 we knew what we were in for. We saw this plan ahead, 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:46.120 we saw it coming, and. 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:49.000 We travel great together. And you and I love an adventure. Yes, 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:51.760 it's all things have piled up because so our first 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:55.000 adventure was with our daughter Taylor. They're out of school 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:57.160 TCU is out for the summer. We had planned a 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:59.080 long time ago to go to New York because she 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:00.560 kind of missed. We were going to do a senior 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:05.360 trip from high school covid ye, so we decided, you 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:07.600 know what, as soon as freshman year is over in college, 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:13.640 let's go to New York. She is my Broadway food shopper. 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:18.040 Like that is. We share that love together. And I 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:20.120 don't know if you guys know this, but Lauren loves 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:26.480 the theater. Breaking news. Lauren loves it. 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:29.720 Really worked out. It's funny. I do take a little 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:31.360 bit of ownership for this. I don't know if it's 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:34.840 a good or bad thing. But Chris's daughter, Taylor, she 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:38.959 did theater and then she also played soccer and her 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.959 freshman year of high school. So this is around when 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:43.920 Chris and I started dating. I mean, within a few 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:46.520 months she comes, you know where. She and I are 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:48.160 talking about theater a lot, and I'm telling he about 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:50.320 how much I love theater in high school. And within 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:52.720 a few months she says to Chris, you know, dad, 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:54.120 I don't want to do soccer anymore. I think I'm 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:58.240 focusing on theater. Do you think having that influence in 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:00.480 her life a little bit, I may have made a 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:01.000 little extra. 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.560 Because you were new into my life and my relationship. 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:06.000 I had to pretend like that was okay with me. 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:06.920 I know that was. 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:08.560 It did hurt my heart a little bit because that 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:11.440 was the last child to leave the game of soccer, 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:13.760 the game I love so much. But to watch her 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:15.760 grow and to choose something like theater, it was great 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:19.240 and so we went and it was hardcore. LZ planned 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:22.480 this to the tea of like we saw two shows 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:24.880 a day and stop for food and that was about it. 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:27.560 All I wanted to do when I get day. All 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:28.920 I want to do when I go to New York 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:32.120 is see great theater and eat great food. 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:35.840 We and the dynamic. Just so you everyone can picture this, 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:37.519 we all pile into one room. 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:38.720 Yes we did. 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:40.720 Where we are in New York. We all pile into 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:42.880 one room and we make it work. 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:48.040 I like a fun look. I'm a big as Chris 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:51.160 said to me once a few months into our relationship, 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:54.960 and I quote, oh, you talked to everyone in your 0:02:55.000 --> 0:03:00.360 family every day. Okay, that's how I am. Like to 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.120 pile in Like I always shared a room growing up 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:05.480 with my sister. I really never had my own room. 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:08.040 I then moved into my college dorm and the my 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.400 sorority house and always shared a room. As you know, 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:12.919 I hate to be alone, but I just thought it 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:14.959 would be fun. Like we were barely sleeping in the 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.360 room anyways, So we had a you know, a suite 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.200 with two queens. And honestly, what that meant for me 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:23.679 was that when you fell asleep earlier than Taylor and 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:25.400 I every night, and she and I just got to 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:27.080 like stay up and watch friends and chat. 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:30.360 I always feel and I love this in a good way. 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:34.920 I become the third wheel when I'm with you and Taylor. Oh, 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.440 and it's like the third wheel, but it's a good 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:39.480 thing because like, look, I'm the dad, I'm the guy. 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:42.760 You guys just go off in this other world that 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.320 she loves and I love. And you know, one thing 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:47.960 that my takeaway in one of the reasons I bring 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:54.080 up this trip parenting each kid differently, this would have 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:57.400 been a nightmare trip for my son. Forcing him on 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:59.800 this trip would have taken away a little bit of 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:02.800 the fun and the exuberants for all of us because 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:05.880 he probably would have done it, but grudgingly so and 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:07.480 just fallen asleep at all of the show. 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:08.840 You would have done. It was the right thing to 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:09.720 do for his sister. 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:13.960 I think it's okay to separate and treat them different 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:15.840 go on, especially as they get older. I know, when 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:17.880 they're younger. You can't do this as much because it's 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:18.200 you know. 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.080 Well, But I think the actually the important difference of 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:23.320 what you're saying is because before we've preached parents each 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:27.039 kid differently, but you're really talking about spending time with 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:29.240 each kid separately at what they love to do. 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:31.400 I did. I will say, even as a single dad, 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:35.320 I did this. I would take my daughter on dates. 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:37.600 We would go to dinners. We even went to New 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:39.560 York when I was hosting the view co I co 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:41.440 hosted for a week. I took Taylor with me and 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:44.320 we went and saw shows and went to dinners. I 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:48.000 would not have brought Joshua there because while he's been 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:50.159 to New York many times with us, that's just not 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.440 his thing. And so Taylor and I do different things. 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:55.640 Then josh and I will go on our trips, whether 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:59.120 it's we went to the World Lacrosse Games one time, 0:04:59.200 --> 0:04:59.480 we go. 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:00.679 Together many times. 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:02.800 Yes, so we'll do stuff like that. We'll go fishing, 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:04.880 we'll go hunting, we'll go play golf, we'll do Yeah, 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:06.400 what I was gonna do your stuff. 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:08.440 What I was going to applaud you on, though, is 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:11.240 even in as taking this trip with Taylor now you 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.960 had taken to Taylor to New York to see Broadway 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.680 several times before I was ever in the picture. And 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.800 what's beautiful to me about that from this parenting and 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:26.320 really any relationship perspective, is doing something that the person 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:28.640 you love loves to do. And I mean, I know 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:30.880 you like a show also, but you you know, you 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:32.760 took Taylor and did that. Even though you coached her 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:34.640 on her soccer team, you also took her to see 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:37.960 plays and you made sure that she had that special 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:42.320 attentive time with you. So seeing you guys together in 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.800 New York now kind of felt like this cool full 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:46.840 circle moment, and I was really happy that I got 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:47.920 to be a part of it because. 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:49.480 You get to reminisce about the times we've been there 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:51.679 before and to hear her talk about going to Wicked 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:52.799 or going to Lying Kaane. 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:55.520 You're good at vibing with the girls I love. I 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:57.720 give the show credit. I think it made you very 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:01.080 good at chatting with the ladies Chris over brunch like 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:05.640 nobody's business. And you have really created a relationship where Taylor. 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:09.640 I was so not as open with my dad about 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:13.200 dating and crushes and stuff. Taylor shares that stuff with 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.000 you and she doesn't feel awkward about it, and that 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:19.600 is on you. How do you think you created that? Like, 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:20.120 how did you? 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:22.880 I just think it's having that not honestly, watching the 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:25.599 show with her helped back in the day. It's something 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:27.679 you know, because I would have to watch the shows 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:29.560 ahead of time. They would send me a screener, so 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:31.960 if I was doing interviews or whatever, I'd be prepared 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:33.800 for because you know what happened on the show, but 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:35.320 you don't know what is going to end up on 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:37.599 the editing room floor, so you can't talk about things 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:40.120 that they aren't seen on TV. And so she would 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:41.719 crawl into bed with me and we would watch the 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.320 show a lot in her formative years and we would talk. 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:46.839 It gave us a chance to, like, I remember Caitlyn 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.920 Bristow season and Caitlin was being kind of accused of, 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:53.719 you know, being a little loose or whatever memory she was, Yeah, 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:55.440 that was with Nick and all that. It was, yeah, 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.640 And so it was fun to stop the show and 0:06:57.680 --> 0:06:59.760 be like, what do you think about this? Taylor? And 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:02.880 it gave you a gateway into having these conversations. And 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.799 I've heard this from other parents that they've done the same, 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:09.520 and I find that so I think just having these calm, 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:13.040 cool conversations, I was never judgy, even if I wanted 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:14.560 to be. In my head, if I wanted to say 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:18.080 something that was aggressive or black and white about how 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.920 I felt, you got to hold it in so they 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:23.240 will continue to open up. But one thing I love 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:27.080 about treating your kids differently. There is something to be 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:30.400 said for taking your daughter to baseball games and you 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:33.280 know she will love the things you love, but not 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:38.520 forcing that because I love embracing what they enjoy. But 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:40.480 at the same time, when Taylor went to the Texas 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.080 Ranger baseball game, she sent me a picture because she 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:45.400 knew I would enjoy that she was at a Ranger game. Yeah, 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:47.040 even though she wore a Yankee hat and it broke 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:47.520 my heart. 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:49.640 But I know he showed me this picture and he's like, 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:51.880 this is so heartbreaking. I didn't even understand why. I'm like, 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:53.000 what's wrong. I don't understand. 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:57.840 But I think just having that that let the thought 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:00.360 bubble come over your head of what you want to say. 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:03.200 When she says I kissed a boy, don't have that 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.240 knee jerk reaction you can have in your head. But 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:08.640 don't say it. Ask well, yeah, ask them a question 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:13.480 about it. Whatever you're thinking. Don't make a statement, ask 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:17.120 a question. So then they will continue to talk and 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.520 realize that they're not being judged. 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:23.040 I've learned that from you, because if you do say 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:25.120 your opinion right away, then what you risk is that 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:26.440 they won't share with you again in. 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:28.480 The future, shut down, or feel judged. 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:30.840 And I mean, I love both my parents, obviously, but 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:32.840 my parents did that and that one hundred percent is 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:35.600 why I didn't. And look, I don't look back and 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:39.720 judge them for that. They had different conversations about they 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:42.240 didn't have the same sort of education we've all had 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:45.240 on how to communicate and all that. But yeah, my 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:48.280 parents definitely would give their opinion right away or get 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:51.120 mad at me right away. And so then when things 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:53.880 got bigger, I shared less with them because I was 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:57.840 afraid of upsetting them or disappointing them or getting in trouble. 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:01.840 And you've created the world where the kids share so 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:03.920 much with you and they do feel so open with you. 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.840 And that's any relationship, right even beyond parenting, is if 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:11.640 I am vulnerable with someone, will they judge me? And 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.720 the asking a question thing. I was giving somebody that 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.480 advice the other day, because I think what asking a 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:21.280 question does is really puts the onus on the other 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:24.440 person to own up. If they feel like they you know, well, 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:26.079 how do you feel about that? Well, then they kind 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:27.880 of have to really look at themselves and say, how 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:29.480 do I feel about what I did? 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:31.160 Yeah? Make you look in the mirror a little bit. 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.319 Yeah, but and not in a scary way, but in 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:35.800 a way where Okay, they're going to place they're going 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.640 to decide how they feel about themselves without you doing it. 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.120 Always helps when you talk through even your own situations. 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:44.960 Before we leave New York, I have to give a 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:48.360 huge shout out to It's now on my mount Rushmore 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:51.880 of Musicals and Juliette. Oh my God, huge shout out 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:56.520 to the creative team and the actors, the writers behind 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:59.920 and Juliette. If you were in New York, get a tick, 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:04.160 go see this musical. It's fantastic. Absolutely music, the acting, 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:07.079 the idea behind it. It's I don't want to give 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:10.520 anything away, but think kind of wicked. As far as 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:12.920 the creativity behind this story. 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.440 Yes, they take the story of Romeo and Juliet and 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:19.840 turn it on its head with the music of Max Martin, 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.839 the producer who did like every Britney spears in sync, 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:24.559 even Celine DIONSI so. 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:26.959 Just know that he wrote basically any song you've ever 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:30.120 heard from late nineties into the two thousands. This guy 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:31.320 wrote these songs. 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:35.199 No couldn't recommend Ajuliette enough. I'd heard it was good 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:37.640 from some friends. It has now been nominated for multiple 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.280 Tonys and we absolutely loved it. So definitely check that 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:40.920 one out. 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:55.680 So we head to the West Coast and Montecito, California, 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:58.880 and we went to this iHeart event, Brett Young Concert 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:03.000 at the Santa Barbara Bawl, which, by the way, speaking 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:08.520 about rushmore of venues, I'd say Red Rocks, the Santa 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:11.839 Barbara Bowl and then the Hollywood Bowl. As far as 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.880 far as amphitheaters go, that is just epic concert venues. 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.040 Love an outdoor concert, Yeah, And it's kind. 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:19.439 Of Wrigley Field where you're going into a neighborhood and 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.600 there's houses and the all of a sudden you're like, 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:23.440 this is the entrance to the Santa Barbara Bowl and 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:27.040 then there's just this amazing concert venue. But more importantly 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:30.240 is who was there and the people we met and 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:33.160 the people we got to hang out with, very very 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:35.240 good friends that we got to hang out with, Andrew 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:38.960 and Evonna Firestone, Ashley Aikenetti was there. Jared was not. 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:41.240 He was home tending to the little one. 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:42.280 We facetied him. 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.839 We did FaceTime Jared and it was funny. It was 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.360 one of those face times where you know, we're out 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:49.640 having a great time. And this has happened to me 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:53.520 many times. You are at home and you are just 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:56.160 in your life. You've probably just fed the kids, probably 0:11:56.160 --> 0:12:00.360 been spit up on bathtime, just finally got the down, 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:02.880 and then you are face timed into a bunch of 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:04.439 screaming people having a great height. 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:08.040 It's a great conversation, super clear, easy to understand, not 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:11.120 at all annoying. It was just us screaming at Jared, 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:12.120 but I know. 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.760 Smiling and shaking his head. Let me off the phone. 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.360 He was being very accommodating of us. You know. It 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:19.920 was so good to see Ashley. I had not seen 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:24.520 her since pre pandemic, maybe because they've moved to the 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:27.560 East coast now they're in Rhode Island, but we were 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:30.880 looking at pictures of the baby and talking and she 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:33.240 and I had always been pretty close because we're very 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:35.960 close to the same age, and we kind of started 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:38.560 I started doing Bachelor interviews around the time she was 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:40.880 first on the show. It was so good to see her. 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:41.920 We had a blast. 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:46.000 For me to have seen this woman grow and who 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:48.840 she is now just floors me. 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:52.319 Because not crazy, Like when I still stop and think 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:56.960 about the fact that Ashley like manifested Jared. She and 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.640 they are married and they have a baby. It really happened. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.960 Truly manifested him, and I mean did not give up 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:07.079 the tenacity the blaby. 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:09.120 She and I did of a moment I didn't tell 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:12.439 you this, but we were We just had a moment, 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:16.400 you know, after tequila number four where we just turned 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:18.000 to each other. I think it was when we got 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:21.360 off the FaceTime with Jared and I said, isn't it nuts? 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:23.920 And she goes, I know, like I ended up with 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:27.080 Jared and you ended up with Chris Harrison. I'm like, 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:30.280 I know, it's so weird because she and I always 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.000 talk about we went and grabbed a drink together at 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:34.760 this spot in La really early on. This was when 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:38.040 we were like both just in such a different rough place, 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:41.240 so like you were just saying to have seen now, 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:42.800 I mean, what is it like for you to look 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:43.600 at her well? 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:46.959 Just I mean, she was almost a caricature of herself. 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:49.040 You know, she was a character at the time, and 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:51.120 because she was a character on the show and the 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:53.679 you know, emotions and the tears, and while that was her, 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.600 it was definitely played up and shown on TV. And 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:01.040 just seeing her grow up now and having these conversations 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.720 like you were just mentioning, where there is so much 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:08.000 depth and beauty to this woman. I just really enjoyed 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:10.160 talking to her, and I'm going to have her and 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:11.679 Jared on so I'm not going to go too much 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.800 deeper into what we talked about, but it's just so 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:17.720 amazing to see what a great mom she is, what 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.400 a beautiful wife she is, and just what a good 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:23.360 person and she just has such a great soul. I 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.120 just loved her and it was great to see her 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.800 and her and Ben they do the podcast together, so 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.320 they have a great dynamic together and it's always good 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:33.120 to see Ben Higgins. Jess was not there unfortunately. She 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:35.240 I think she was attending a wedding this weekend, so 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:37.960 they had to divide and conquer as well, and we 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.160 missed her, but it's all. It was good to see them. 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:42.520 And you did a podcast with Ben and Andrew Firestone. 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:44.000 Yeah, the two of them will be coming up, and 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.800 then we'll do Ashley and Jared. It's also speaking of 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:49.640 a podcast coming up this week. We're going to drop 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:50.480 with Claire Crawley. 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:53.600 Claire and her new husband Rhyme. We're there with us. 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.960 It was a real meeting of the generations of some 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:00.240 of the bachelor folks because we also had Gabby and Rae, 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.480 who were more recent bachelorettes there in Santa Barbara. I'd 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.720 met them, I'd interviewed them really early on. They're both lovely. 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:08.840 I met one what's not driv I guess I met 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:10.920 Gabby at an iHeart event in Vegas, but I had 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:16.720 not met them together post being the bachelorettes. So and 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.720 Zach and Katie, Yes, who were so nice, who are 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:20.640 our neighbors. 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:21.840 Live here in Austin. We have to hang out with them. 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:24.720 Yeah, so exchange numbers and we will keep in contact. 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:27.080 But the Claire and Ryan, they were the first. It 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.840 was funny. I was walking just checked in. L Z 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:31.360 was not with me and I was walking across the 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.760 courtyard to our room there at the beautiful Rosewood and Montecito, 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:39.160 and there's Claire, and then there's the guy Ryan, who 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.120 I had not met yet, and so first person I 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:43.600 got to see at the hotel, gave her a big 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:47.040 hug and it almost got emotional just us seeing each 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:48.720 other for the first time. She just gave me the 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:52.600 really tight hog and then met this great guy Ryan, 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:54.640 and then we got to hang out with him all weekend. 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.840 Were you surprised by what came out in the podcast 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:01.040 interview with Claire. I've listen to it, so I don't 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:01.800 know what you guys got to. 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.680 Yeah, we got deep. Oh she had some questions for me. 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:09.200 Oh yeah, she had some questions about her season for me, 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:12.760 which were interesting, some things that were kind of burning inside, 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:16.000 and she's like, I've never asked you. I really want 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:18.520 to know some of these answers and what you thought, 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.360 because we had a very interesting relationship and her show 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:27.080 obviously was so crazy on so many levels with the lockdown, 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.520 trying to shoot the show. We were the only production 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.280 going in Hollywood, and so all eyes were honest, and 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:34.200 on top of that, you're trying to do the Bachelorette 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:36.680 and she falls in love on night one. So there 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:37.920 were a lot of layers and a lot of things 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:40.680 we had to talk about, but the main thing is 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:44.880 now she is married to Ryan, this great guy who 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:46.960 we love and I think the perfect kind of guy 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:50.680 for her because he is so even keeled, so chill. 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.000 She did say that, she said he's so even, and 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:55.320 she said she almost thought it wasn't real how even 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.960 he was in the beginning. But now she's been with 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:01.080 him a while and that's been consistent. And she also 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:03.240 did tell me, well, he's just not on social media 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:05.040 at all, which is great. He's so out of this 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:07.560 world I've been in in years, and that was a 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:08.959 real tell of what a good guy he is. 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:11.440 I kept an eye on him because I wouldn't have 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:15.120 blamed him at all if this happened. But when we 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:17.960 all sat down together, we all went to dinner, and 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:22.080 so there's Zach and Katie, there's Gabby and Rachel, there's 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:26.960 the Firestones, You and I, Ashley and Ben and Claire. 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.040 That's a lot at a table. 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:32.560 And I just realized Ryan was the only well Evano. Yeah, 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:36.879 but while Ryan's the only non Bachelor alum here. 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:41.679 So this is Ryan introduced into a very bizarre situation. 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:46.919 He did not shrink from the moment. He really quietly 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:50.680 as he would do, very chill guy, but stayed present 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.919 and just supported Claire. I could tell they were together, 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.680 and it was that's when I thought, Okay, this guy, 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:01.480 he's a man. He's a legit good man. 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:05.080 That is so telling of It's so true how we 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.199 judge people in a moment like that though, right, And 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.880 I don't even mean from a bad perspective. I think, well, 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.240 do you judge from a protective perspective with somebody like Claire? 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:15.199 It would not have shocked me at all if if 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:16.760 the moment had just been too much and he just 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:18.840 kind of sank back into the background of like I 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:19.919 don't want anybody. 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:23.000 I mean, okay, So my first question, if it's somebody 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:25.080 like Claire, someone you've known, I mean, Claire had been 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:28.159 a contestant several times then bachelorette, how do you go 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:30.640 a little bit into like dad mode when you meet 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:31.920 Somebody's for sure. 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:34.800 I feel like when people introduce me and Claire may 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:36.800 feel the same, even though she's a little closer to 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:38.960 my age, it's like, you know, it's meeting your dad. 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:41.760 For the first time to a certain degree, and there 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:45.119 is that element of I'm very protective and judgy. 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:47.040 Ill how firm is the handshake? 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:49.040 Yeah, it's see exactly are you? Are you looking me 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:50.760 in the eyes? Your hat on backwards or you wear 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:53.439 a hat indoors, all those things that you know, I 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:56.399 think about with my kids for sure. So I was 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:57.160 judging Ryan. 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:00.280 So we're judging Ryan. And the thing is he's in 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:04.439 this perfect situation to judge. It's like a meeting the 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:06.680 family thing. Are you going to be balanced? Are you 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:08.600 going to be outgoing? You don't want to be too weird, 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:10.480 but also you don't want to try to take the spot. 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:13.439 Like Tim aks. Ryan was in the perfect position to fail, 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:17.560 and he succeeded on a grand scale. And that's what 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:19.840 impressed me. If he had failed this weekend, where it 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:21.320 just would have been too much and he's like, this 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:23.800 is not my scene. I got to get out of here. 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:25.800 I'm going to stay in the room. But he didn't. 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:28.919 He actually went the opposite direction and was amazing and 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:30.639 so and you could just see the love between he 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:33.040 and Claire really moved me. 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:35.320 And I'm just I was just wearing matching sneakers. 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:37.160 They were the matching Nike sneakers. 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:37.520 That was. 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:39.680 Really cool. 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:41.960 It was good to see Claire happy. She has had 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:44.360 ups and downs in her life, both on and off 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:47.280 the show. It was it really warmed my heart. I 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:49.080 felt the same. I felt like I gave her a 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:51.840 really tight hug because it was just so nice to 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:53.800 see her so joyful. 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:55.200 And so yeah, would they look for that episode of 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:57.880 the most dramatic podcast coming out. It was funny because 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.200 Ryan sat on the couch during the entire podcast. There 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:02.080 was a microphone sitting there. I tried to get him 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:04.080 on a couple of times. He would not have it. 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:05.960 He had no social media, no pod. 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:08.000 I said, in this relationship, there's a pen and there's 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:11.840 a teller, and he stuck to it and he never spoke. 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:14.840 But it was nice. And at dinner I kind of 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:17.280 was goaded into giving them a nice toast and. 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:20.200 I yes, well, you always rise to the occasion, baby, 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:22.600 you are. Chris is often put on the spot. I 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:26.280 don't know why. It's as if he raised glasses and 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:30.359 roses for twenty years. But somebody said, because we all 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:32.480 us stood up and just said cheers to all being together. 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:34.960 And then somebody was like, in congrats to Clare and Ryan, 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:37.520 and then someone said, Chris, make a toast for their wedding, 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:39.960 and then you before trying to get you to go 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:42.400 around and toast everybody, which would have been a fun 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:44.680 drinking game, Harris and toasting game. 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:49.639 When we got done with with Ryan and Claire, Gabby 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:51.160 and Rachel were like, wait, wait, wait, don't sit down, 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:55.159 do me do me toast us? And so we had 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:56.720 a great eye and it was fun to meet. So, 0:20:57.000 --> 0:20:59.040 you know, we really hadn't gotten to know Gabby and Rachel. 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:01.760 I didn't know much because you know, as I told them, 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:04.480 I didn't watch their season. So they told us a 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:08.640 little bit about the show and told me about their experiences. 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:12.400 And Zach and Katie, who just seemed like the most normal, 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:15.280 down home people. Look. I mean, you would think they 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:18.960 just met at a you know, oracle convention in Orlando. 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:20.560 What's an oracle convention? 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:25.080 That's what he works for all he's a tech guy, 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:27.760 got it. 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:34.160 Yes, they were very grounded. And it's one thing I 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:37.720 noticed from the weekend. You do, baby, you just have 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:42.720 a presence about you. I think people are attracted to 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:47.400 or reach out for your mentorship. Like you could tell 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:50.199 with I don't know. Everybody was just it's like they 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:52.520 immediately want your advice or want to feel like taken 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:54.720 into the fold or something. And it's a very good 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:58.119 quality that you have. It's a very protective quality that 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:00.320 I think people pick up on even when they first 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:00.680 meet too. 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:02.560 Well, thank you, and I don't know about you, but 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:05.359 I felt nothing but love in the room. And you know, 0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:07.560 it's one of those things like we don't know these people, 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:10.639 we hadn't met them yet, it might be weird. Uh, 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:12.840 you know. I used to host the show that they 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:15.639 were on, and and it turned out everybody was just 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:18.400 so loving and so open, and we had some great 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:21.199 conversations and we went to the concert. Brett Young, by 0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:24.600 the way, killed it. We did some shots backstage with 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:29.400 bread shots. By the way, Brett Young came in backstage, 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:32.400 said hi to us, and he popped a shot as well. 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:34.080 Right, yeah, I miss that. 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:36.800 Yeah, I don't know if he was shooting water and 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:39.159 acted like it was a shot, but walked on stage 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:40.080 and then crushed the show. 0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:43.920 And that's a rock star. I was. I did several shots. 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:48.040 I do have done this one. This is just my 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:51.080 personal you guys, I consider this a life saver. If 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:54.920 you haven't gotten Cheers supplements on Amazon or on their website, 0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:57.880 they're called Cheers. It's an all natural supplement. I bring 0:22:57.920 --> 0:22:59.879 it up because I felt a little proud of my 0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:02.120 I took two of those at the end of the night. 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:04.560 I think I was the only person in the group 0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:05.679 who wasn't a little hungover. 0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:06.680 Everybody was a little slow. 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:08.359 It was a little rough Sunday. 0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:11.280 We walked around Sunday, we ran into Zach and Katie again, 0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:13.359 and we ran into everyone else, and everyone was a 0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:16.200 little blurry eyed because. 0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:17.680 You had a tuckle of a headache. 0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:21.440 Oh yeah, I'm not gonna truth. It was Uh, we 0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:23.600 had a good We had a great time. By the way, 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:28.479 how about the news that dropped about Gabby Oh and 0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:29.320 Ben Higgins. 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:32.040 Oh yes, she said this, because they did Ashley Ben's 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:39.080 podcast came out this weekend. Slid into Ben's DMS after 0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:41.560 obviously he was on the show, and long before she 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:45.280 was what a reveal. I don't know if I would 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:49.280 have revealed that I. 0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:50.840 She said she went back and deleted it so Ben 0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:52.400 could not go back and find this. 0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:55.840 So we obviously never read it or saw it. But Yeah, 0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:58.520 that was that's really funny. Now I want her to 0:23:58.560 --> 0:23:59.080 say what she. 0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:03.600 Said, did you ever slew into anyone's DMS beyond me, 0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:07.280 anyone that was notable? And did anyone notable ever slide 0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:11.360 into your dms? 0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:14.840 John Mayer watched a couple of my Instagram stories one time, 0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:17.520 which was the track, but he never DMed me and 0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:19.760 I never DMed him. But one time I was just 0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:22.520 looking at my Instagram stories and I'm like, and this 0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:24.119 is when I was single, and I was like, John 0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:26.720 Mayer is watching all my Instagram stories. That's so weird. 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:29.560 I kind of forgot about it in just until this moment. 0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:33.480 I got invited. I didn't go because I had to work. Well, 0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:36.760 John Mayer and Katie Perry were dating. If I remember correctly, 0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:41.920 they dated. I think it was them. 0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:43.920 I can't in fact check this. I don't know. I 0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:45.800 don't know why I'm blanking on this. I'm usually better. 0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:49.360 I'm so tired real quick, though. Who's slid into your DMS? 0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:50.240 Or have you ever? 0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:56.760 Nobody? I can't remember anybody of note, Like, nobody famous, nobody, 0:24:57.119 --> 0:24:59.960 Like we're like, oh my gosh, you know, I've met 0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:03.280 some people, some cool people via d ms were you know, 0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:05.399 but nobody uh relates. 0:25:05.520 --> 0:25:09.040 Did you ever feel like anyone any other celebrity you 0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:12.840 ever met was a little flirty with you or did 0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:14.800 you hope that it would be? Wow? 0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:20.080 M Denise Richards ended up at my birthday one time. 0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:23.440 Oh we were a little flirty. 0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:26.280 Oh it was a long time A bond girl. Yes, 0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:27.280 I love Denise. 0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:30.000 I thought that might be a little too much for me. 0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:34.200 Couldn't handle. Yeah, she's She's a bombshell. 0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:36.800 I'm trying to think who else. I'm sure there have 0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:40.600 been others that I was together and because while I 0:25:40.640 --> 0:25:42.840 was single, I kind of was opened everything. I'm like, 0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:46.160 I'll just and you blew your shot with the bond girl. 0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:49.560 I know, dude, get it together. I mean, what do 0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:52.040 you mean she's too much for Denise Richards? Yes, I 0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:54.000 think she was single at the time, as was I. 0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:59.120 Wow, you shrunk from the moment I did. Wow. Okay, okay, Yes, 0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:01.960 John Mayor and Katy Berry did date. I can't believe 0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:04.040 that I forgot that they dated ten years ago. 0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:07.920 The one thing that I got dmmed about was he 0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:10.760 reached out because there was a river trip, a float 0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:12.080 trip they were all going on with a bunch of 0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:15.080 friends and it was Katie's birthday, and he said Katie 0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:17.680 loved The Bachelor. I guess. And he said he would 0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:20.480 be really funny if you showed up on the river 0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:22.160 trip and then went with us. 0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:23.720 You just appear from the water. 0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:27.879 Yeah. And I thought, one hundred percent, I will do 0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:30.560 this if I could make it work with the Bachelor 0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:34.000 bacherette taping, which ended up screwing it all up. But 0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:37.439 I thought, if nothing else, what a great story to 0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:40.720 have gone on this river trip and just showing. 0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:44.320 Was a nightmare birthday excursion. To go on a float trip, 0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:47.000 Oh my god. If I mean, those were the thing 0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:49.919 when I lived in the Midwest. If anybody float trips, 0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:52.960 it's basically just you're in an inner tube with your 0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:56.359 butt in pretty gross water that people are peeing and 0:26:56.400 --> 0:26:58.560 probably puking, and you're just floating down a river and 0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:00.800 getting eaten alive by mosquitoes. It's absolute nightmare. 0:27:00.960 --> 0:27:04.440 Got attached to a few people justin Bieber's mom. 0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:06.920 Wow, let's clear it up here. 0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:08.679 And now we never went on a date, and we 0:27:08.720 --> 0:27:10.879 never went on we were never romantic. Never was she 0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:14.439 I met her because again, huge Bachelor fan, and so 0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:16.359 we were at a concert with Taylor. I was at 0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:19.879 a concert with Taylor and we were invited backstage. I 0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:21.240 don't know how they knew we were there, but we 0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:25.479 got sent backstage to meet Justin. Mom was there, Mama Bieber, 0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:28.520 and we hit it off and she says, Hey, next 0:27:28.560 --> 0:27:31.560 time we're in town, I'll call you bring you guys 0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:33.720 to the show. So we did. Taylor and I went again, 0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:37.399 went backstage, had dinner, and got to meet Justin again, 0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:41.720 and we walked around and somebody they obviously took some 0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:44.679 pictures of us, and it got out and it was 0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:47.720 she has a rabbit fan base. I'm not talking Justin. 0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:50.320 Mama Bieber has a rabbit fan base. 0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:52.280 So did they like the idea of that? He did. 0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:55.359 Actually, it was okay with them for her, but it 0:27:55.400 --> 0:27:58.159 spread like wildfire, and it's like, it's a one of 0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:00.199 those kind of awkward situations you don't want to like 0:28:01.080 --> 0:28:03.840 denounce somebody. But I was like, we're not, we're not dating. 0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:05.159 But she was lovely. 0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:08.239 I've never asked you this any other rumored romances from 0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:10.720 over the years that you would like to clear up here, and. 0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:12.960 Now, Chris Harrison, I think that's it. 0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:15.200 I'm really going into et interview mode. 0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:16.200 Now, I think that's it. 0:28:16.960 --> 0:28:20.800 Okay, one last question. How many things over the years. 0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:22.760 I can't even imagine that you had to turn down 0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:26.040 like that float trip because the show was filming. I mean, 0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:28.120 you're filming Bachelor, Bachelrette and Paradise. 0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:29.760 I's gone pretty much the entire year. 0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:31.760 Is there anything else that comes to mind of an 0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:34.320 ugh moment where you had to miss something? 0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:37.520 Yeah, but the stuff it's golf, Well it was yeah, 0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:40.080 kids stuff crush me. But a lot of golf stuff 0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:43.560 like playing in the Tahoe the Big Tahoe Open. I 0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:45.400 actually had to turn on even playing in the first 0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:47.920 at and t at Pebble Beach because I was working 0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:50.200 one year. So there was a lot of that kind 0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:54.080 of stuff. What about other jobs, Oh, it's a lot 0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:56.200 of there was. There was a lot of other jobs. Yeah. 0:28:56.840 --> 0:29:00.760 I just couldn't do it. So I try and it 0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:03.200 just you tried to shoehorn it in because and it 0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:06.280 wasn't fair to the other production because obviously Bacher Bacherette 0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:08.920 was first chair. They were my baby. I was going 0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:11.680 to do first and we just had these short four 0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:13.520 week windows. It's like, how are you going to come 0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:16.280 in and shoot fifty episodes of a game show in 0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:20.000 four weeks, right or be hones. Eventually I did make 0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:22.680 it work with Millionaire and we shot it over the summer. 0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:26.880 I would go from Paradise straight to Vegas and be 0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:28.920 there for ten weeks, and it just got to be 0:29:28.960 --> 0:29:29.440 too much. 0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:31.920 I know, it's funny and I have talked about how 0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:34.280 back then we don't know if our relationship would have 0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:35.920 made it because your schedule was so cool. 0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:39.280 Again, unanswered prayers. I think one of the great things 0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:43.200 of being canceled was being able to fall in love. 0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:46.640 It gave me a life and as something I had 0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:49.920 been missing. And so you can't have all things. Anybody 0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:51.680 who says they can do it all and have it all, 0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:55.479 you cannot. You cannot give one hundred percent to your career, 0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:58.280 travel around the world the way I was going, I 0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:00.200 was burning it at both ends, trying to be a 0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:02.800 good parent, trying to work one hundred percent of the time, 0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:05.360 and then trying to fall in love. I could not 0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:06.440 give you one hundred percent. 0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:09.320 That's nice to hear because and I hated having to 0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:12.840 ask this question. A lot of the times in working 0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:15.320 in entertainment news they'd want us to ask how do 0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:17.080 you balance it all? How do you do it all? 0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:19.520 And that is the answer, right, you don't. You can't 0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:24.040 do it all. It's that old adage about like there's 0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:25.840 something you can have one ball in the air, but 0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:28.160 I don't know. You got to drop them. You can't anyway. 0:30:28.440 --> 0:30:31.080 You've got to make it work. You got to. You 0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:33.080 have to figure out what is important to you at 0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:37.360 the time, and when those things conflict, you're making a choice. 0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:39.640 And then sometimes you just don't have a choice, which 0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:42.320 is your daughter's in the school of play and you're 0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:44.120 in asia and you just can't get back. 0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:47.560 And sometimes rejection is God's protection. 0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:03.480 The Carrushians and this is very applicable to this conversation. 0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:06.600 Oh, speaking of doing it all, Yes, Kim Kardashian. 0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:09.000 Went on a podcast and she was talking about being 0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:11.920 a single mom since you know, splitting with Kanye and 0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:15.520 now she has the kids North Chicago, Saint and Psalm. 0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:18.400 They are ages nine to four years old, and she 0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:20.280 is a single mom, and she kind of opened up 0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:23.320 something I very much related to because Kim's forty two 0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:26.040 and this is about the time I was divorced. My 0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:28.720 kids were My oldest is probably about nine, so I 0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:31.720 was right in that wheelhouse, same age. She has younger kids, 0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:34.960 but how she basically cries herself to sleep some nights, 0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:37.200 and not in a bad way. It's just it's a lot. 0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:39.959 Just it was great to hear how honest she was 0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:43.280 of what a show it is in a beautiful way, 0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:46.560 but it's a show. There's kids, you know, in the morning, 0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:49.960 you're cooking four different meals, and someone lost their shoes, 0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:52.280 and someone needs their hair braided just right, and it's 0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:55.240 just she talked about juggling all those balls and trying 0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:56.360 to keep it in the air. And at the end 0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:58.800 of the night, you're just You're just a normal person. 0:31:58.800 --> 0:32:00.800 And I don't care if you're a billionaire. You're exhausted. 0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:02.880 I was going to say, I think what this does 0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:07.160 speak to is obviously Kim has a lot more financial 0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:13.880 resources and help that she can hire to assist with parenting, 0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:17.240 but still at the end of the day, I was 0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:19.920 thinking about it from a much different perspective. But like, 0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:22.920 even if you get a wedding planner, you still got 0:32:22.960 --> 0:32:25.239 to make a lot of decisions and do things as 0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:26.959 a bride, and if you're a parent, we know this 0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:30.320 to be true, Well, we don't have a wedding planner. Yeah, 0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:32.840 but I do think if you're a parent, especially if 0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:35.760 you want to be a present parent. Look, I'm sure 0:32:35.800 --> 0:32:39.920 she has amazing help and that's awesome, but she maybe 0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:41.520 she still wants to be the one, you know, braiding 0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:43.959 her daughter's hair and helping them in the morning. And so, 0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:48.120 no matter what, that is tiring. Did you have moments 0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:50.000 where you cried yourself to sleep at night as a 0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:50.400 single day. 0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:52.160 I was just going to say I've never I never 0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:55.680 cried myself to sleep, but there were definitely overwhelming moments, 0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:59.440 especially early on when I first moved into my house 0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:02.959 after I separated from my wife, and the kids are 0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:05.160 staying with me, and this is I moved out, and 0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:08.480 so they had she had the old house with their 0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:10.760 beds and their normal rooms, and so everything was new, 0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:13.480 and so you know, there was the nights where the 0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:15.360 kids wanted to come sleep in my bed because there 0:33:15.440 --> 0:33:17.080 was just their rooms are foreign to them, and they're 0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:18.720 trying to get used to all this and you're trying 0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:21.240 to make it a new normal. But it's not normal. 0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:24.560 There's nothing normal about it. You are changing houses. You 0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:26.560 got to bring your shin guards and your soccer ball 0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:29.960 and your your you know, your homework and things inevitably 0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:31.719 get left behind and you got to go back and 0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:34.240 forth and it's not normal, and so you got to 0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:36.480 show them that they're still loved and everything's okay. But 0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:38.880 it's a lot. And so, yeah, they get home from 0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:41.320 school and you are an uber driver going all over 0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:44.360 the place. Then you got to make dinner. You don't 0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:48.880 realize how little you probably do when you are married, 0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:51.760 just because there's two of you as opposed to when 0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:54.040 you are alone, and it's one hundred percent you, because 0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:55.520 you get to the end of the night and you 0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:58.520 just lay in bed and you're like, sweet Jesus, like 0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:00.840 what just happened? Like can I do this? Can I 0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:02.760 do this? And am I screwing my kids up? And 0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:06.240 that's the ultimate is am I screwing them up? And 0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:08.359 that's the ultimate thing that hits you in the heart. 0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:10.399 And you just got to wake up the next day 0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:13.240 and make their waffles and get them off to school 0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:14.280 and do it all over again. 0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:18.319 What advice would you give to Kim then, having been 0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:19.600 in the position she's. 0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:21.840 In, Well, I love that Kim. To me, what spoke 0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:25.040 to me is yes, she probably does have some help. 0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:27.279 But what spoke to me is that's a woman who 0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:31.040 is in the trenches. The thing she was saying, you're 0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:34.359 not witnessing that, you're not hearing about it. She's those 0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:35.839 were things well. 0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:38.480 When she said, the kids are just on you, you know, 0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:40.200 they just want you. That's the thing. Right at the 0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:41.880 end of the day, they're going to want their parents. 0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:43.960 By the way, I had two, she has four. 0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:46.880 So what advice would you have for her if any. 0:34:46.760 --> 0:34:50.080 Well, she had the great perspective. Two things she said 0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:52.640 that I say all the time, the days go by slow, 0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:56.280 the years go by fast. Realize that it's a beautiful 0:34:56.320 --> 0:34:59.719 mess and you have to embrace this moment and drink 0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:02.440 it all in, because I promise you, in a blink 0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:04.720 of an eye, you are dropping them off at college. 0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:07.200 In the blink of an eye, they're about to graduate college. 0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:10.560 And you will miss those moments if you weren't in them. 0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:14.080 And I say the same things to the Firestones and 0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:17.080 to Ashley, And when we were talking to any new parent, 0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:20.520 I'm like, embrace these moments. Even when you're frustrated and 0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:24.440 you're fighting with your spouse and all that stuff happens 0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:28.239 drink it in because these are the moments that will 0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:31.799 be gone so quick. And so you know, I don't 0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:35.000 want to go back there because I know it's a tornado, 0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:37.719 But I'm glad I was in them when they were there. 0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:40.799 And that's and that's Kim's perspective, and I love that. 0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:43.000 The other thing she said is and it's so true. 0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:46.960 I have learned more about myself being a single parent 0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:47.800 than I ever knew. 0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:51.719 Oh you just so that's on another level, even from 0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:54.719 being a parent and married, when you become a single parent. 0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:58.600 Because it exposes so many of your weaknesses, your faults, 0:35:59.040 --> 0:35:59.840 your strengths. 0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:02.359 It's what are your weaknesses? 0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:04.880 It just well, do I have a hot temper? Am 0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:07.719 I a black and white issue person? Am I able 0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:13.120 to communicate? Can I manage these human beings? Because however 0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:16.640 small they are, they will find your weakness and they 0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:21.200 will It's like fighting a war and the enemy knows 0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:24.000 your weakness and they're going to exploit that. That is children, 0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:26.520 they will exploit your weakness. When they know that you 0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:29.040 don't like being embarrassed in public, or they know you 0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:31.680 don't like being talked back to, well, they know how 0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:32.160 to push. 0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:33.960 The buttons look, I give you the credit on this. 0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:38.040 You made it through. Like some people would maybe being 0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:41.800 a single parent would negatively affect them. It made you better, 0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:44.200 and so that is a reflection of your character. But 0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:47.400 I have said to your ex wife before, and I 0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:49.839 mean this from the bottom of my heart, I think 0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:54.239 I have a better, more mature, more grown version of 0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:56.239 you than she did. You guys got together and you 0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:58.200 were married when you were twenty two, and then you 0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:00.759 had kids at thirty. And you know, I've gotten this. 0:37:01.600 --> 0:37:03.920 I've arrived to this version of you in your mid forties. 0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:10.319 It's very different. So certainly that you chose to grow 0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:13.359 from that situation. But I've kind of laughed and told 0:37:13.360 --> 0:37:15.520 some of my friends, Hey, if you want like a 0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:20.200 super complicated, messed up sounding way of finding the perfect person, 0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:24.279 get divorced yourself and then go marry someone who's been 0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:27.600 a single dad, because that guy has figured it out. 0:37:27.640 --> 0:37:29.920 He knows how to do laundry, he knows how to cook. 0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:32.320 I mean, you steam my clothes and all this traveling 0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:35.719 we're doing. Chris Harrison an incredible steamer of clothes. He 0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:36.840 steams the dresses for the. 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:39.480 Weddings that they've gone to many years with Terry Fatman 0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:43.200 from show Yes, who dressed me and taught me how 0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:45.480 to steam from the first steam from the inside out. 0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:48.120 People roll it through the inside of your shirt, not 0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:48.960 on the outside. 0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:51.160 That's going to help protest the big takeaway. 0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:53.359 But I appreciate Kim Kay. And by the way, you know, 0:37:53.640 --> 0:37:56.000 I got to give credit where credits due as well 0:37:56.440 --> 0:37:59.440 my ex mother of my kids. I went through this 0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:02.279 with someone who's a good mom who when my kids 0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:04.680 weren't with me, I felt safe and secure that my 0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:07.120 kids were in a good place, so I could travel, 0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:09.200 I could do things, and I knew when I was 0:38:09.239 --> 0:38:12.000 working my kids were being cared for. And God bless 0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:14.680 those that don't have that. I don't know that Kim 0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:18.200 Kay has that with Kanye, so she may be a 0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:20.880 one man band. And if you don't ever get a break, 0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:26.240 God bless you. I feel for you. Oh I skipped 0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:29.040 a story. I got to get to this because this 0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:32.520 happened on the show. There's a guy and this has 0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:36.960 gone hugely viral who he is traveling with his spouse 0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:43.800 and oh yes, he's flying first class. And this guy 0:38:44.440 --> 0:38:46.799 gets upgraded a lot, so he flies first class and 0:38:46.800 --> 0:38:49.880 he leaves his wife and coach. And the reason this 0:38:50.040 --> 0:38:52.359 hit me is because somebody on our show. I will 0:38:52.400 --> 0:38:55.400 not out this person, but there was someone prominent on 0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:58.239 our show that did this a lot when he would 0:38:58.280 --> 0:39:00.439 bring girlfriends on the show on the road. 0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:02.240 Okay, now you have to out the person. 0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:06.239 I cannot. He's married now and he's happy and so 0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:09.200 life is good. But he would bring women on the 0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:12.560 road and they would sit and coach and we were 0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:14.440 sitting in first class, and I was just looking at 0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:17.239 him like, dude, First of all, how do you do this? 0:39:17.480 --> 0:39:19.960 Second of all, how is she going to talk to 0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:22.400 you when we reach where we're going? Because that is 0:39:22.480 --> 0:39:23.440 just not well. 0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:25.759 Did you see the women react? Did they have reactions? 0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:30.400 They weren't around for long, so clearly was not a 0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:31.120 pro move. 0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:33.960 Okay, to clarify, the reason you bring this up is 0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:35.719 this is an article in the New York Times. It 0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:40.600 is a column where someone is written into the magazines. 0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:44.520 I didn't know they had it, ethicist columnist on this 0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:47.200 marital issue. And this person writes it and says, my 0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:51.120 husband flies first class and puts me and our kids 0:39:51.320 --> 0:39:55.400 in coach. Is that fair? He gets upgraded and the 0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:59.359 wife and kids are back in coach and she says 0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:04.440 she feels a she feels it's unfair, and he's even suggested, well, 0:40:04.440 --> 0:40:07.759 maybe they should travel alone on different flights so they 0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:12.160 don't feel bad about the disparity. So this person asks, 0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:15.120 you know, am I wrong in being upset about this? 0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:20.120 And this blew my mind. It is, as you said, 0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:23.640 things don't really go viral anymore, but this has gone 0:40:23.719 --> 0:40:29.239 viral because it's so bizarre to me. I don't I 0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:31.400 almost don't believe it. I have to tell you, I 0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:34.279 have wondered did if I made up? 0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:37.640 If I didn't know this story happened myself, I wouldn't 0:40:37.640 --> 0:40:40.600 believe it. But I watched this happen for five years. 0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:45.960 But it's one thing for someone who's just dating somebody 0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:49.080 to be like, like, I don't know, say I'm dating 0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:50.920 someone in They're like, we're gonna fly somewhere together, and 0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:53.759 then I show up and he's in first. Okay, I 0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:55.920 guess that could happen one time and then we'd be done. 0:40:56.239 --> 0:41:00.920 But how is someone who's married to somebody else. I 0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:05.200 saw somebody a journalist I follow, Yashar Ali just subtweeted 0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:07.680 it with the word divorce, like divorce this person. 0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:11.560 First of all, this guy total d bag. I mean, 0:41:11.600 --> 0:41:14.680 come on, man, but I don't This can't happens to 0:41:14.719 --> 0:41:17.520 you and I. This opportunity comes up with you and 0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:18.920 I all the time, by. 0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:20.600 The way, more so for me because I have better status. 0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:23.760 Only now this last week, but before then, it happened 0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:26.200 a lot where we would be on the list for 0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:28.680 upgrades and we would be in coach and then they 0:41:28.680 --> 0:41:33.200 would call, and oftentimes, even if we're on the same reservation, 0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:35.360 they only have one seat. 0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:37.480 And I would always tell you take the seat. I 0:41:37.560 --> 0:41:39.799 don't care. And I really meant that because I knew 0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:41.759 you traveled so much and I wanted you to have 0:41:41.760 --> 0:41:43.520 the more comfortable seat, and it was not a big deal. 0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:45.880 I really would not have been upset if you had you. 0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:48.200 Remember we did it one time. I did it one time. 0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:51.520 Well, Chris's back had gone out and he could barely walk, 0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:53.960 and I said, take the first class seat, babe, it's fine, 0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:57.160 And then you were so riddled with guilt the entire time. 0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:00.359 Me, I would never do that. You know me, First 0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:02.239 of all, I care way too much about what other 0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:05.239 people think, so I could never be this guy anyway. 0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:08.480 And the one time we did it. It just ruined me. 0:42:08.719 --> 0:42:11.520 You know, well, now I got to ask you that's true. 0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:15.359 It would look pretty crappy if somebody recognized you and 0:42:15.440 --> 0:42:17.840 me and said, wait, Chris, you're in first and Lauren's 0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:20.200 back in economy. So is that the only reason you'd 0:42:20.200 --> 0:42:22.000 do it? Babe? I thought you were being a good nose. 0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:24.640 I just divorce divorce. 0:42:25.080 --> 0:42:27.080 Would never do that, nor, by the way, would I 0:42:27.120 --> 0:42:30.319 expect you to do that. And we get this opportunity 0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:33.040 all the time because we'll get upgraded or asked to 0:42:33.160 --> 0:42:35.600 and and we say, here's a big first thing. We 0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:36.880 say do you have one or two? And there's one 0:42:37.040 --> 0:42:39.000 like let it go? Like no, we're not. We're going 0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:39.600 to sit together. 0:42:39.680 --> 0:42:42.359 Right. This did just happen to Love's Company. I just 0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:44.680 turned it down at the when we were stuck for 0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:46.480 the Kentucky Derby, we were trying to get on a 0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:49.400 standby flight and they said, we have one seat to upgrade. 0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:51.160 Do you want it? And we said no, we won't 0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:51.799 even go on the flight. 0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:53.440 The funny thing is they called you first, and then 0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:54.080 they called. 0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:56.880 Me, yeah, babe, because I have better status than you, And. 0:42:56.880 --> 0:42:58.480 I was guilted into turning it down to. 0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:01.520 I mean, there's no way I'm going to turn it down, 0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:03.239 and then you would turn it down after me. But 0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:06.600 here's a big difference to me. Also, these people have kids. 0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:09.439 Yeah, that is the deal breaker. Definitely divorced this guy. 0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:13.640 So I find it. That's why I'm so fired up 0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:15.760 about it and why I'm so skeptical. And I almost 0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:18.400 feel like The New York Times just did this for clickbait, 0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:20.520 for this very reason, because they knew people would be 0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:21.200 so opinioning. 0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:23.120 They had I'm glad to hear the New York Times 0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:25.960 as an ethics department, Well, it. 0:43:25.920 --> 0:43:28.360 Doesn't it just doesn't even seem like an ethical question 0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:30.800 we should be debating. Let's get into more serious stuff 0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:31.800 ethics called now. 0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:32.880 This guy should be launched. 0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:37.160 I mean, how do you stick your wife in economy, 0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:40.160 taking care of your kids every time and Europe in 0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:45.360 first class having a cocktail. This is not it's bizarre, unacceptable. 0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:48.960 I can't even I have no words. 0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:53.560 Get a good attorney. Oh my god, because first of all, 0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:56.480 if he's going to do it on a plane like this, oh, 0:43:56.520 --> 0:44:00.399 what's there, he's clearly marginalizing you throughout your entire life. 0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:03.640 If he has no issues at all, yeah, you're not 0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:06.480 unless there is some medical ailment that we don't know 0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:08.319 about that this guy needs. No. 0:44:08.400 --> 0:44:10.480 I think she would have disclosed. Yes. What's great is 0:44:10.480 --> 0:44:13.200 that the ethicist rights the first sentence. The ethicist rates 0:44:13.239 --> 0:44:15.799 back to this person who's asking for advice. Is the 0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:19.239 institution of marriage has always taken on characteristics of the 0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:23.520 society in which it arises. Say just say divorce. No, 0:44:23.840 --> 0:44:27.120 it's I can't. I can't justify it. I really can't. 0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:30.560 What could possibly no? 0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:33.120 I agree, I mean, there's no defense. I would love 0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:36.440 to stick up for this guy somehow, some way, but 0:44:36.920 --> 0:44:38.799 one hundred percent he's in the wrong. One hundred percent 0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:41.760 he's a d bag. One hundred percent. This is worthy 0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:42.560 of breaking up. 0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:45.680 Here's what he absolutely should be doing every time they fly, 0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:49.200 especially if he's the one I think who's off traveling 0:44:49.200 --> 0:44:51.000 for work. I guess it seems like the guy gets 0:44:51.080 --> 0:44:54.239 upgrades because he travels a lot for work. When you're 0:44:54.239 --> 0:44:56.560 flying for work on your own, take the upgrade. When 0:44:56.560 --> 0:44:58.480 you have your wife and kids with you, you say, honey, 0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:00.680 take my first class seat. I'll be in the back 0:45:00.680 --> 0:45:02.680 with the kids. And that's what you do. 0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:09.520 Sounds like that would never enter his mind. Goodbye, goodbye 0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:12.399 and thank you. What a good what a good note 0:45:12.440 --> 0:45:16.640 to end on. Goodbye divorce, Goodbye to this guy, and 0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:20.240 goodbye to you. We had a great week. Uh again, 0:45:20.840 --> 0:45:23.319 I'm so glad New York and Broadway is open. I 0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:25.440 am so glad that we got to meet everybody at 0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:28.839 the iHeart event there in Santa Barbara, met some new friends, 0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:31.040 get to reconnect with some old and I'm glad you 0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:34.200 and I made it back home to see our house again. Yes, 0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:35.360 good to be home in Austin. 0:45:35.480 --> 0:45:38.359 And uh, you know this weekend we leave again, so 0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:41.399 we do. The train keeps on going, but I would 0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:43.080 always want to be on it with you, babe. 0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:47.920 In economy and we will be an economy. And look 0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:51.160 this week for some special episodes about to drop again. 0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:54.319 It's very special episode with Claire, her husband Ryan, who 0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:56.799 is silent but he's sitting there the entire time, and 0:45:57.040 --> 0:45:59.520 my good friends Ben Higgins and Andrew Firestone. That is 0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:02.520 all coming up in the next couple of weeks. Until then, 0:46:03.880 --> 0:46:06.480 take care of each other. So good to talk to you. 0:46:06.760 --> 0:46:08.719 I'll see you next time because we have a lot 0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:11.440 more to talk about. Thanks for listening. Follow us on 0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:14.399 Instagram at the most dramatic pod ever, and make sure 0:46:14.400 --> 0:46:16.600 to write us a review and leave us five stars. 0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:18.080 I'll talk to you next time.