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Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and Lauren Zima back here in the home

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Speaker 1: office of Austin, Texas after what has been an amazing week,

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Speaker 1: a coastal bi coastal week.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I feel like I have walked into our house

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Speaker 2: and I need to saying, Yes, who's back beck again?

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Speaker 2: We're always leaving, We're never here. I'm sorry, home, we

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Speaker 2: love you. No, it's been I mean we've been traveling.

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Speaker 1: We did this to ourselves. We have nobody to blame

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Speaker 1: but ourselves.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's on us. We traveled multiple cities a week

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Speaker 2: every week in the month of May. But I think

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Speaker 2: it's all gone well. We buckled down. The thing is,

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Speaker 2: we knew what we were in for. We saw this plan ahead,

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Speaker 2: we saw it coming, and.

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Speaker 1: We travel great together. And you and I love an adventure. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's all things have piled up because so our first

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Speaker 1: adventure was with our daughter Taylor. They're out of school

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Speaker 1: TCU is out for the summer. We had planned a

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Speaker 1: long time ago to go to New York because she

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Speaker 1: kind of missed. We were going to do a senior

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Speaker 1: trip from high school covid ye, so we decided, you

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Speaker 1: know what, as soon as freshman year is over in college,

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Speaker 1: let's go to New York. She is my Broadway food shopper.

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Speaker 1: Like that is. We share that love together. And I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you guys know this, but Lauren loves

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Speaker 1: the theater. Breaking news. Lauren loves it.

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Speaker 2: Really worked out. It's funny. I do take a little

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Speaker 2: bit of ownership for this. I don't know if it's

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Speaker 2: a good or bad thing. But Chris's daughter, Taylor, she

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Speaker 2: did theater and then she also played soccer and her

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Speaker 2: freshman year of high school. So this is around when

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Speaker 2: Chris and I started dating. I mean, within a few

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Speaker 2: months she comes, you know where. She and I are

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Speaker 2: talking about theater a lot, and I'm telling he about

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Speaker 2: how much I love theater in high school. And within

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Speaker 2: a few months she says to Chris, you know, dad,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to do soccer anymore. I think I'm

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Speaker 2: focusing on theater. Do you think having that influence in

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Speaker 2: her life a little bit, I may have made a

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Speaker 2: little extra.

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Speaker 1: Because you were new into my life and my relationship.

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Speaker 1: I had to pretend like that was okay with me.

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Speaker 2: I know that was.

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Speaker 1: It did hurt my heart a little bit because that

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Speaker 1: was the last child to leave the game of soccer,

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Speaker 1: the game I love so much. But to watch her

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Speaker 1: grow and to choose something like theater, it was great

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Speaker 1: and so we went and it was hardcore. LZ planned

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Speaker 1: this to the tea of like we saw two shows

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Speaker 1: a day and stop for food and that was about it.

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Speaker 2: All I wanted to do when I get day. All

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Speaker 2: I want to do when I go to New York

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Speaker 2: is see great theater and eat great food.

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Speaker 1: We and the dynamic. Just so you everyone can picture this,

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Speaker 1: we all pile into one room.

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Speaker 2: Yes we did.

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Speaker 1: Where we are in New York. We all pile into

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Speaker 2: I like a fun look. I'm a big as Chris

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Speaker 2: said to me once a few months into our relationship,

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Speaker 2: and I quote, oh, you talked to everyone in your

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Speaker 2: family every day. Okay, that's how I am. Like to

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Speaker 2: with my sister. I really never had my own room.

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Speaker 2: I hate to be alone, but I just thought it

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Speaker 1: I always feel and I love this in a good way.

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Speaker 1: I become the third wheel when I'm with you and Taylor. Oh,

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Speaker 1: that my takeaway in one of the reasons I bring

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Speaker 1: up this trip parenting each kid differently, this would have

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Speaker 1: I think it's okay to separate and treat them different

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Speaker 2: Well, But I think the actually the important difference of

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Speaker 2: what you're saying is because before we've preached parents each

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Speaker 1: Then josh and I will go on our trips, whether

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Speaker 1: Yes, so we'll do stuff like that. We'll go fishing,

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Speaker 2: What I was going to applaud you on, though, is

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Speaker 2: even in as taking this trip with Taylor now you

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Speaker 2: what's beautiful to me about that from this parenting and

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Speaker 1: You get to reminisce about the times we've been there

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Speaker 2: You're good at vibing with the girls I love. I

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Speaker 2: nobody's business. And you have really created a relationship where Taylor.

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Speaker 1: I just think it's having that not honestly, watching the

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Speaker 1: said for taking your daughter to baseball games and you

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Speaker 2: I've learned that from you, because if you do say

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Speaker 2: And I mean, I love both my parents, obviously, but

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Speaker 2: And you've created the world where the kids share so

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Speaker 2: And that's any relationship, right even beyond parenting, is if

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Speaker 2: the asking a question thing. I was giving somebody that

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Speaker 2: how do you feel about that? Well, then they kind

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Speaker 2: of have to really look at themselves and say, how

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Make you look in the mirror a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but and not in a scary way, but in

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Speaker 2: to decide how they feel about themselves without you doing it.

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Speaker 1: Always helps when you talk through even your own situations.

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Speaker 1: Before we leave New York, I have to give a

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Speaker 1: huge shout out to It's now on my mount Rushmore

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Speaker 1: of Musicals and Juliette. Oh my God, huge shout out

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Speaker 1: on a couple of times. He would not have it.

439
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:05,960
Speaker 2: He had no social media, no pod.

440
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,000
Speaker 1: I said, in this relationship, there's a pen and there's

441
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,840
Speaker 1: a teller, and he stuck to it and he never spoke.

442
00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,840
Speaker 1: But it was nice. And at dinner I kind of

443
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,280
Speaker 1: was goaded into giving them a nice toast and.

444
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,200
Speaker 2: I yes, well, you always rise to the occasion, baby,

445
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 2: you are. Chris is often put on the spot. I

446
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 2: don't know why. It's as if he raised glasses and

447
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,359
Speaker 2: roses for twenty years. But somebody said, because we all

448
00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,480
Speaker 2: us stood up and just said cheers to all being together.

449
00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,960
Speaker 2: And then somebody was like, in congrats to Clare and Ryan,

450
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,520
Speaker 2: and then someone said, Chris, make a toast for their wedding,

451
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,960
Speaker 2: and then you before trying to get you to go

452
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,400
Speaker 2: around and toast everybody, which would have been a fun

453
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,680
Speaker 2: drinking game, Harris and toasting game.

454
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:49,639
Speaker 1: When we got done with with Ryan and Claire, Gabby

455
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,160
Speaker 1: and Rachel were like, wait, wait, wait, don't sit down,

456
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:55,159
Speaker 1: do me do me toast us? And so we had

457
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,720
Speaker 1: a great eye and it was fun to meet. So,

458
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 1: you know, we really hadn't gotten to know Gabby and Rachel.

459
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 1: I didn't know much because you know, as I told them,

460
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 1: I didn't watch their season. So they told us a

461
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,640
Speaker 1: little bit about the show and told me about their experiences.

462
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,400
Speaker 1: And Zach and Katie, who just seemed like the most normal,

463
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 1: down home people. Look. I mean, you would think they

464
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 1: just met at a you know, oracle convention in Orlando.

465
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 2: What's an oracle convention?

466
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 1: That's what he works for all he's a tech guy,

467
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 1: got it.

468
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:34,160
Speaker 2: Yes, they were very grounded. And it's one thing I

469
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 2: noticed from the weekend. You do, baby, you just have

470
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 2: a presence about you. I think people are attracted to

471
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 2: or reach out for your mentorship. Like you could tell

472
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,199
Speaker 2: with I don't know. Everybody was just it's like they

473
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 2: immediately want your advice or want to feel like taken

474
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 2: into the fold or something. And it's a very good

475
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 2: quality that you have. It's a very protective quality that

476
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 2: I think people pick up on even when they first

477
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 2: meet too.

478
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, and I don't know about you, but

479
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 1: I felt nothing but love in the room. And you know,

480
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 1: it's one of those things like we don't know these people,

481
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 1: we hadn't met them yet, it might be weird. Uh,

482
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 1: you know. I used to host the show that they

483
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 1: were on, and and it turned out everybody was just

484
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 1: so loving and so open, and we had some great

485
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,199
Speaker 1: conversations and we went to the concert. Brett Young, by

486
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 1: the way, killed it. We did some shots backstage with

487
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:29,400
Speaker 1: bread shots. By the way, Brett Young came in backstage,

488
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 1: said hi to us, and he popped a shot as well.

489
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I miss that.

490
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if he was shooting water and

491
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 1: acted like it was a shot, but walked on stage

492
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: and then crushed the show.

493
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 2: And that's a rock star. I was. I did several shots.

494
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 2: I do have done this one. This is just my

495
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 2: personal you guys, I consider this a life saver. If

496
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 2: you haven't gotten Cheers supplements on Amazon or on their website,

497
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 2: they're called Cheers. It's an all natural supplement. I bring

498
00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 2: it up because I felt a little proud of my

499
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 2: I took two of those at the end of the night.

500
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: I think I was the only person in the group

501
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 2: who wasn't a little hungover.

502
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 1: Everybody was a little slow.

503
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 2: It was a little rough Sunday.

504
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: We walked around Sunday, we ran into Zach and Katie again,

505
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: and we ran into everyone else, and everyone was a

506
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 1: little blurry eyed because.

507
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 2: You had a tuckle of a headache.

508
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm not gonna truth. It was Uh, we

509
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: had a good We had a great time. By the way,

510
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:28,479
Speaker 1: how about the news that dropped about Gabby Oh and

511
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: Ben Higgins.

512
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 2: Oh yes, she said this, because they did Ashley Ben's

513
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 2: podcast came out this weekend. Slid into Ben's DMS after

514
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 2: obviously he was on the show, and long before she

515
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 2: was what a reveal. I don't know if I would

516
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 2: have revealed that I.

517
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: She said she went back and deleted it so Ben

518
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 1: could not go back and find this.

519
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 2: So we obviously never read it or saw it. But Yeah,

520
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 2: that was that's really funny. Now I want her to

521
00:23:58,560 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 2: say what she.

522
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: Said, did you ever slew into anyone's DMS beyond me,

523
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: anyone that was notable? And did anyone notable ever slide

524
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 1: into your dms?

525
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 2: John Mayer watched a couple of my Instagram stories one time,

526
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 2: which was the track, but he never DMed me and

527
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 2: I never DMed him. But one time I was just

528
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 2: looking at my Instagram stories and I'm like, and this

529
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 2: is when I was single, and I was like, John

530
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 2: Mayer is watching all my Instagram stories. That's so weird.

531
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: I kind of forgot about it in just until this moment.

532
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: I got invited. I didn't go because I had to work. Well,

533
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: John Mayer and Katie Perry were dating. If I remember correctly,

534
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 1: they dated. I think it was them.

535
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 2: I can't in fact check this. I don't know. I

536
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 2: don't know why I'm blanking on this. I'm usually better.

537
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,360
Speaker 2: I'm so tired real quick, though. Who's slid into your DMS?

538
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 2: Or have you ever?

539
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: Nobody? I can't remember anybody of note, Like, nobody famous, nobody,

540
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: Like we're like, oh my gosh, you know, I've met

541
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: some people, some cool people via d ms were you know,

542
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: but nobody uh relates.

543
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: Did you ever feel like anyone any other celebrity you

544
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 2: ever met was a little flirty with you or did

545
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 2: you hope that it would be? Wow?

546
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: M Denise Richards ended up at my birthday one time.

547
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: Oh we were a little flirty.

548
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: Oh it was a long time A bond girl. Yes,

549
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 2: I love Denise.

550
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: I thought that might be a little too much for me.

551
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 2: Couldn't handle. Yeah, she's She's a bombshell.

552
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think who else. I'm sure there have

553
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: been others that I was together and because while I

554
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: was single, I kind of was opened everything. I'm like,

555
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 1: I'll just and you blew your shot with the bond girl.

556
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: I know, dude, get it together. I mean, what do

557
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: you mean she's too much for Denise Richards? Yes, I

558
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: think she was single at the time, as was I.

559
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 2: Wow, you shrunk from the moment I did. Wow. Okay, okay, Yes,

560
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 2: John Mayor and Katy Berry did date. I can't believe

561
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: that I forgot that they dated ten years ago.

562
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: The one thing that I got dmmed about was he

563
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: reached out because there was a river trip, a float

564
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: trip they were all going on with a bunch of

565
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: friends and it was Katie's birthday, and he said Katie

566
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: loved The Bachelor. I guess. And he said he would

567
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: be really funny if you showed up on the river

568
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: trip and then went with us.

569
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: You just appear from the water.

570
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I thought, one hundred percent, I will do

571
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: this if I could make it work with the Bachelor

572
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: bacherette taping, which ended up screwing it all up. But

573
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 1: I thought, if nothing else, what a great story to

574
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: have gone on this river trip and just showing.

575
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: Was a nightmare birthday excursion. To go on a float trip,

576
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: Oh my god. If I mean, those were the thing

577
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 2: when I lived in the Midwest. If anybody float trips,

578
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 2: it's basically just you're in an inner tube with your

579
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 2: butt in pretty gross water that people are peeing and

580
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: probably puking, and you're just floating down a river and

581
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 2: getting eaten alive by mosquitoes. It's absolute nightmare.

582
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: Got attached to a few people justin Bieber's mom.

583
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 2: Wow, let's clear it up here.

584
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 1: And now we never went on a date, and we

585
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: never went on we were never romantic. Never was she

586
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 1: I met her because again, huge Bachelor fan, and so

587
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: we were at a concert with Taylor. I was at

588
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: a concert with Taylor and we were invited backstage. I

589
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: don't know how they knew we were there, but we

590
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 1: got sent backstage to meet Justin. Mom was there, Mama Bieber,

591
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: and we hit it off and she says, Hey, next

592
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: time we're in town, I'll call you bring you guys

593
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: to the show. So we did. Taylor and I went again,

594
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: went backstage, had dinner, and got to meet Justin again,

595
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: and we walked around and somebody they obviously took some

596
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: pictures of us, and it got out and it was

597
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: she has a rabbit fan base. I'm not talking Justin.

598
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: Mama Bieber has a rabbit fan base.

599
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: So did they like the idea of that? He did.

600
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: Actually, it was okay with them for her, but it

601
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: spread like wildfire, and it's like, it's a one of

602
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: those kind of awkward situations you don't want to like

603
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: denounce somebody. But I was like, we're not, we're not dating.

604
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: But she was lovely.

605
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,239
Speaker 2: I've never asked you this any other rumored romances from

606
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 2: over the years that you would like to clear up here, and.

607
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: Now, Chris Harrison, I think that's it.

608
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 2: I'm really going into et interview mode.

609
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: Now, I think that's it.

610
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: Okay, one last question. How many things over the years.

611
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine that you had to turn down

612
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 2: like that float trip because the show was filming. I mean,

613
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 2: you're filming Bachelor, Bachelrette and Paradise.

614
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: I's gone pretty much the entire year.

615
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: Is there anything else that comes to mind of an

616
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 2: ugh moment where you had to miss something?

617
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the stuff it's golf, Well it was yeah,

618
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: kids stuff crush me. But a lot of golf stuff

619
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: like playing in the Tahoe the Big Tahoe Open. I

620
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: actually had to turn on even playing in the first

621
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: at and t at Pebble Beach because I was working

622
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: one year. So there was a lot of that kind

623
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: of stuff. What about other jobs, Oh, it's a lot

624
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: of there was. There was a lot of other jobs. Yeah.

625
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: I just couldn't do it. So I try and it

626
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: just you tried to shoehorn it in because and it

627
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: wasn't fair to the other production because obviously Bacher Bacherette

628
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: was first chair. They were my baby. I was going

629
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: to do first and we just had these short four

630
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: week windows. It's like, how are you going to come

631
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: in and shoot fifty episodes of a game show in

632
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: four weeks, right or be hones. Eventually I did make

633
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: it work with Millionaire and we shot it over the summer.

634
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: I would go from Paradise straight to Vegas and be

635
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: there for ten weeks, and it just got to be

636
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: too much.

637
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 2: I know, it's funny and I have talked about how

638
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: back then we don't know if our relationship would have

639
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: made it because your schedule was so cool.

640
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: Again, unanswered prayers. I think one of the great things

641
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: of being canceled was being able to fall in love.

642
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: It gave me a life and as something I had

643
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: been missing. And so you can't have all things. Anybody

644
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: who says they can do it all and have it all,

645
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,479
Speaker 1: you cannot. You cannot give one hundred percent to your career,

646
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: travel around the world the way I was going, I

647
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: was burning it at both ends, trying to be a

648
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: good parent, trying to work one hundred percent of the time,

649
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: and then trying to fall in love. I could not

650
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: give you one hundred percent.

651
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: That's nice to hear because and I hated having to

652
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 2: ask this question. A lot of the times in working

653
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 2: in entertainment news they'd want us to ask how do

654
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: you balance it all? How do you do it all?

655
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: And that is the answer, right, you don't. You can't

656
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: do it all. It's that old adage about like there's

657
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: something you can have one ball in the air, but

658
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. You got to drop them. You can't anyway.

659
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: You've got to make it work. You got to. You

660
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: have to figure out what is important to you at

661
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: the time, and when those things conflict, you're making a choice.

662
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: And then sometimes you just don't have a choice, which

663
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: is your daughter's in the school of play and you're

664
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: in asia and you just can't get back.

665
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: And sometimes rejection is God's protection.

666
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: The Carrushians and this is very applicable to this conversation.

667
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: Oh, speaking of doing it all, Yes, Kim Kardashian.

668
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: Went on a podcast and she was talking about being

669
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: a single mom since you know, splitting with Kanye and

670
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: now she has the kids North Chicago, Saint and Psalm.

671
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: They are ages nine to four years old, and she

672
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: is a single mom, and she kind of opened up

673
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: something I very much related to because Kim's forty two

674
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: and this is about the time I was divorced. My

675
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: kids were My oldest is probably about nine, so I

676
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: was right in that wheelhouse, same age. She has younger kids,

677
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: but how she basically cries herself to sleep some nights,

678
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: and not in a bad way. It's just it's a lot.

679
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,959
Speaker 1: Just it was great to hear how honest she was

680
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: of what a show it is in a beautiful way,

681
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: but it's a show. There's kids, you know, in the morning,

682
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: you're cooking four different meals, and someone lost their shoes,

683
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: and someone needs their hair braided just right, and it's

684
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: just she talked about juggling all those balls and trying

685
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: to keep it in the air. And at the end

686
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: of the night, you're just You're just a normal person.

687
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: And I don't care if you're a billionaire. You're exhausted.

688
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: I was going to say, I think what this does

689
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: speak to is obviously Kim has a lot more financial

690
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 2: resources and help that she can hire to assist with parenting,

691
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 2: but still at the end of the day, I was

692
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: thinking about it from a much different perspective. But like,

693
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: even if you get a wedding planner, you still got

694
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,239
Speaker 2: to make a lot of decisions and do things as

695
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 2: a bride, and if you're a parent, we know this

696
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: to be true, Well, we don't have a wedding planner. Yeah,

697
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: but I do think if you're a parent, especially if

698
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: you want to be a present parent. Look, I'm sure

699
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 2: she has amazing help and that's awesome, but she maybe

700
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: she still wants to be the one, you know, braiding

701
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 2: her daughter's hair and helping them in the morning. And so,

702
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: no matter what, that is tiring. Did you have moments

703
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: where you cried yourself to sleep at night as a

704
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: single day.

705
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: I was just going to say I've never I never

706
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: cried myself to sleep, but there were definitely overwhelming moments,

707
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: especially early on when I first moved into my house

708
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 1: after I separated from my wife, and the kids are

709
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: staying with me, and this is I moved out, and

710
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: so they had she had the old house with their

711
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: beds and their normal rooms, and so everything was new,

712
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: and so you know, there was the nights where the

713
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: kids wanted to come sleep in my bed because there

714
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: was just their rooms are foreign to them, and they're

715
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: trying to get used to all this and you're trying

716
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: to make it a new normal. But it's not normal.

717
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: There's nothing normal about it. You are changing houses. You

718
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: got to bring your shin guards and your soccer ball

719
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: and your your you know, your homework and things inevitably

720
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,719
Speaker 1: get left behind and you got to go back and

721
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: forth and it's not normal, and so you got to

722
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: show them that they're still loved and everything's okay. But

723
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: it's a lot. And so, yeah, they get home from

724
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: school and you are an uber driver going all over

725
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: the place. Then you got to make dinner. You don't

726
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: realize how little you probably do when you are married,

727
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: just because there's two of you as opposed to when

728
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: you are alone, and it's one hundred percent you, because

729
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: you get to the end of the night and you

730
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: just lay in bed and you're like, sweet Jesus, like

731
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: what just happened? Like can I do this? Can I

732
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: do this? And am I screwing my kids up? And

733
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: that's the ultimate is am I screwing them up? And

734
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: that's the ultimate thing that hits you in the heart.

735
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 1: And you just got to wake up the next day

736
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 1: and make their waffles and get them off to school

737
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 1: and do it all over again.

738
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 2: What advice would you give to Kim then, having been

739
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: in the position she's.

740
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: In, Well, I love that Kim. To me, what spoke

741
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: to me is yes, she probably does have some help.

742
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: But what spoke to me is that's a woman who

743
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: is in the trenches. The thing she was saying, you're

744
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: not witnessing that, you're not hearing about it. She's those

745
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: were things well.

746
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: When she said, the kids are just on you, you know,

747
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: they just want you. That's the thing. Right at the

748
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 2: end of the day, they're going to want their parents.

749
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: By the way, I had two, she has four.

750
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 2: So what advice would you have for her if any.

751
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: Well, she had the great perspective. Two things she said

752
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: that I say all the time, the days go by slow,

753
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 1: the years go by fast. Realize that it's a beautiful

754
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: mess and you have to embrace this moment and drink

755
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: it all in, because I promise you, in a blink

756
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 1: of an eye, you are dropping them off at college.

757
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: In the blink of an eye, they're about to graduate college.

758
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: And you will miss those moments if you weren't in them.

759
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: And I say the same things to the Firestones and

760
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: to Ashley, And when we were talking to any new parent,

761
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, embrace these moments. Even when you're frustrated and

762
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: you're fighting with your spouse and all that stuff happens

763
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: drink it in because these are the moments that will

764
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: be gone so quick. And so you know, I don't

765
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: want to go back there because I know it's a tornado,

766
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: But I'm glad I was in them when they were there.

767
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: And that's and that's Kim's perspective, and I love that.

768
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: The other thing she said is and it's so true.

769
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: I have learned more about myself being a single parent

770
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 1: than I ever knew.

771
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: Oh you just so that's on another level, even from

772
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 2: being a parent and married, when you become a single parent.

773
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: Because it exposes so many of your weaknesses, your faults,

774
00:35:59,040 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: your strengths.

775
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 2: It's what are your weaknesses?

776
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: It just well, do I have a hot temper? Am

777
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: I a black and white issue person? Am I able

778
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: to communicate? Can I manage these human beings? Because however

779
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: small they are, they will find your weakness and they

780
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: will It's like fighting a war and the enemy knows

781
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: your weakness and they're going to exploit that. That is children,

782
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: they will exploit your weakness. When they know that you

783
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: don't like being embarrassed in public, or they know you

784
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: don't like being talked back to, well, they know how

785
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: to push.

786
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: The buttons look, I give you the credit on this.

787
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: You made it through. Like some people would maybe being

788
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 2: a single parent would negatively affect them. It made you better,

789
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: and so that is a reflection of your character. But

790
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 2: I have said to your ex wife before, and I

791
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 2: mean this from the bottom of my heart, I think

792
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: I have a better, more mature, more grown version of

793
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: you than she did. You guys got together and you

794
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: were married when you were twenty two, and then you

795
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 2: had kids at thirty. And you know, I've gotten this.

796
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: I've arrived to this version of you in your mid forties.

797
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 2: It's very different. So certainly that you chose to grow

798
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 2: from that situation. But I've kind of laughed and told

799
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: some of my friends, Hey, if you want like a

800
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: super complicated, messed up sounding way of finding the perfect person,

801
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 2: get divorced yourself and then go marry someone who's been

802
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: a single dad, because that guy has figured it out.

803
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: He knows how to do laundry, he knows how to cook.

804
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 2: I mean, you steam my clothes and all this traveling

805
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 2: we're doing. Chris Harrison an incredible steamer of clothes. He

806
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 2: steams the dresses for the.

807
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: Weddings that they've gone to many years with Terry Fatman

808
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: from show Yes, who dressed me and taught me how

809
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: to steam from the first steam from the inside out.

810
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: People roll it through the inside of your shirt, not

811
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: on the outside.

812
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: That's going to help protest the big takeaway.

813
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: But I appreciate Kim Kay. And by the way, you know,

814
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: I got to give credit where credits due as well

815
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: my ex mother of my kids. I went through this

816
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: with someone who's a good mom who when my kids

817
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: weren't with me, I felt safe and secure that my

818
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: kids were in a good place, so I could travel,

819
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: I could do things, and I knew when I was

820
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: working my kids were being cared for. And God bless

821
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: those that don't have that. I don't know that Kim

822
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: Kay has that with Kanye, so she may be a

823
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: one man band. And if you don't ever get a break,

824
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 1: God bless you. I feel for you. Oh I skipped

825
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: a story. I got to get to this because this

826
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: happened on the show. There's a guy and this has

827
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: gone hugely viral who he is traveling with his spouse

828
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: and oh yes, he's flying first class. And this guy

829
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: gets upgraded a lot, so he flies first class and

830
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: he leaves his wife and coach. And the reason this

831
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: hit me is because somebody on our show. I will

832
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: not out this person, but there was someone prominent on

833
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: our show that did this a lot when he would

834
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 1: bring girlfriends on the show on the road.

835
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 2: Okay, now you have to out the person.

836
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: I cannot. He's married now and he's happy and so

837
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: life is good. But he would bring women on the

838
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: road and they would sit and coach and we were

839
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: sitting in first class, and I was just looking at

840
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: him like, dude, First of all, how do you do this?

841
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: Second of all, how is she going to talk to

842
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: you when we reach where we're going? Because that is

843
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: just not well.

844
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: Did you see the women react? Did they have reactions?

845
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: They weren't around for long, so clearly was not a

846
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: pro move.

847
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 2: Okay, to clarify, the reason you bring this up is

848
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: this is an article in the New York Times. It

849
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: is a column where someone is written into the magazines.

850
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: I didn't know they had it, ethicist columnist on this

851
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: marital issue. And this person writes it and says, my

852
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: husband flies first class and puts me and our kids

853
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 2: in coach. Is that fair? He gets upgraded and the

854
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 2: wife and kids are back in coach and she says

855
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: she feels a she feels it's unfair, and he's even suggested, well,

856
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 2: maybe they should travel alone on different flights so they

857
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: don't feel bad about the disparity. So this person asks,

858
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: you know, am I wrong in being upset about this?

859
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: And this blew my mind. It is, as you said,

860
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: things don't really go viral anymore, but this has gone

861
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: viral because it's so bizarre to me. I don't I

862
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: almost don't believe it. I have to tell you, I

863
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: have wondered did if I made up?

864
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: If I didn't know this story happened myself, I wouldn't

865
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: believe it. But I watched this happen for five years.

866
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: But it's one thing for someone who's just dating somebody

867
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: to be like, like, I don't know, say I'm dating

868
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 2: someone in They're like, we're gonna fly somewhere together, and

869
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: then I show up and he's in first. Okay, I

870
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 2: guess that could happen one time and then we'd be done.

871
00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 2: But how is someone who's married to somebody else. I

872
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: saw somebody a journalist I follow, Yashar Ali just subtweeted

873
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: it with the word divorce, like divorce this person.

874
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: First of all, this guy total d bag. I mean,

875
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: come on, man, but I don't This can't happens to

876
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: you and I. This opportunity comes up with you and

877
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: I all the time, by.

878
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: The way, more so for me because I have better status.

879
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 1: Only now this last week, but before then, it happened

880
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: a lot where we would be on the list for

881
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: upgrades and we would be in coach and then they

882
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: would call, and oftentimes, even if we're on the same reservation,

883
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: they only have one seat.

884
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 2: And I would always tell you take the seat. I

885
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 2: don't care. And I really meant that because I knew

886
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 2: you traveled so much and I wanted you to have

887
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: the more comfortable seat, and it was not a big deal.

888
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 2: I really would not have been upset if you had you.

889
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: Remember we did it one time. I did it one time.

890
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: Well, Chris's back had gone out and he could barely walk,

891
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: and I said, take the first class seat, babe, it's fine,

892
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: And then you were so riddled with guilt the entire time.

893
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: Me, I would never do that. You know me, First

894
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: of all, I care way too much about what other

895
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: people think, so I could never be this guy anyway.

896
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: And the one time we did it. It just ruined me.

897
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: You know, well, now I got to ask you that's true.

898
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 2: It would look pretty crappy if somebody recognized you and

899
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 2: me and said, wait, Chris, you're in first and Lauren's

900
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: back in economy. So is that the only reason you'd

901
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: do it? Babe? I thought you were being a good nose.

902
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 2: I just divorce divorce.

903
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: Would never do that, nor, by the way, would I

904
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: expect you to do that. And we get this opportunity

905
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: all the time because we'll get upgraded or asked to

906
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: and and we say, here's a big first thing. We

907
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: say do you have one or two? And there's one

908
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: like let it go? Like no, we're not. We're going

909
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: to sit together.

910
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 2: Right. This did just happen to Love's Company. I just

911
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: turned it down at the when we were stuck for

912
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: the Kentucky Derby, we were trying to get on a

913
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: standby flight and they said, we have one seat to upgrade.

914
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: Do you want it? And we said no, we won't

915
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 2: even go on the flight.

916
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: The funny thing is they called you first, and then

917
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: they called.

918
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 2: Me, yeah, babe, because I have better status than you, And.

919
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: I was guilted into turning it down to.

920
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no way I'm going to turn it down,

921
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: and then you would turn it down after me. But

922
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: here's a big difference to me. Also, these people have kids.

923
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is the deal breaker. Definitely divorced this guy.

924
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: So I find it. That's why I'm so fired up

925
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 2: about it and why I'm so skeptical. And I almost

926
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 2: feel like The New York Times just did this for clickbait,

927
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: for this very reason, because they knew people would be

928
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: so opinioning.

929
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: They had I'm glad to hear the New York Times

930
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: as an ethics department, Well, it.

931
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: Doesn't it just doesn't even seem like an ethical question

932
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 2: we should be debating. Let's get into more serious stuff

933
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 2: ethics called now.

934
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: This guy should be launched.

935
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you stick your wife in economy,

936
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: taking care of your kids every time and Europe in

937
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 2: first class having a cocktail. This is not it's bizarre, unacceptable.

938
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: I can't even I have no words.

939
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: Get a good attorney. Oh my god, because first of all,

940
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: if he's going to do it on a plane like this, oh,

941
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: what's there, he's clearly marginalizing you throughout your entire life.

942
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: If he has no issues at all, yeah, you're not

943
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: unless there is some medical ailment that we don't know

944
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: about that this guy needs. No.

945
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: I think she would have disclosed. Yes. What's great is

946
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: that the ethicist rights the first sentence. The ethicist rates

947
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 2: back to this person who's asking for advice. Is the

948
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 2: institution of marriage has always taken on characteristics of the

949
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: society in which it arises. Say just say divorce. No,

950
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: it's I can't. I can't justify it. I really can't.

951
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: What could possibly no?

952
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: I agree, I mean, there's no defense. I would love

953
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: to stick up for this guy somehow, some way, but

954
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: one hundred percent he's in the wrong. One hundred percent

955
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 1: he's a d bag. One hundred percent. This is worthy

956
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: of breaking up.

957
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: Here's what he absolutely should be doing every time they fly,

958
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: especially if he's the one I think who's off traveling

959
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: for work. I guess it seems like the guy gets

960
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 2: upgrades because he travels a lot for work. When you're

961
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 2: flying for work on your own, take the upgrade. When

962
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: you have your wife and kids with you, you say, honey,

963
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: take my first class seat. I'll be in the back

964
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 2: with the kids. And that's what you do.

965
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: Sounds like that would never enter his mind. Goodbye, goodbye

966
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: and thank you. What a good what a good note

967
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: to end on. Goodbye divorce, Goodbye to this guy, and

968
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 1: goodbye to you. We had a great week. Uh again,

969
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: I'm so glad New York and Broadway is open. I

970
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: am so glad that we got to meet everybody at

971
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: the iHeart event there in Santa Barbara, met some new friends,

972
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: get to reconnect with some old and I'm glad you

973
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: and I made it back home to see our house again. Yes,

974
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: good to be home in Austin.

975
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 2: And uh, you know this weekend we leave again, so

976
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 2: we do. The train keeps on going, but I would

977
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 2: always want to be on it with you, babe.

978
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: In economy and we will be an economy. And look

979
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: this week for some special episodes about to drop again.

980
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: It's very special episode with Claire, her husband Ryan, who

981
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: is silent but he's sitting there the entire time, and

982
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: my good friends Ben Higgins and Andrew Firestone. That is

983
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: all coming up in the next couple of weeks. Until then,

984
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: take care of each other. So good to talk to you.

985
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: I'll see you next time because we have a lot

986
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: more to talk about. Thanks for listening. Follow us on

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