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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noel.

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Paul, Mission Control Deck, and most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: are you. You are here That makes this the stuff

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Speaker 3: they don't want you to know, Fellow conspiracy realists. Before

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Speaker 3: we get started this evening, we want to make sure

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Speaker 3: everyone tunes in to our exclusive interview with Arkasha Stevenson,

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Speaker 3: director of The First Omen. You can catch it only

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Speaker 3: in theaters April fifth. It's a question humanity has quarreled

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Speaker 3: with since before the dawn of the written age. What

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Speaker 3: is the nature of good? What is the nature of evil?

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Speaker 3: For some folks, it's a matter of shifting perspectives, a

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Speaker 3: long spectrum of gradients. For others, there are absolutes, clearly

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Speaker 3: And with that in mind, tonight we are exploring one

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Speaker 3: of history's most extreme symbols of evil, the opposite of divinity,

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Speaker 3: a dark, oppositional Messiah, the eternal enemy of God, and

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Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, known for millennia as the anti Christ. Here

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Speaker 3: are the facts. The Antichrist has done a lot for fiction.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean, and I've always kind of struggled with, like,

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Speaker 4: is the Antichrist in service of Satan? Is the Antichrist?

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Speaker 4: Like Satan incarnates like in the way that Jesus is

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Speaker 4: God on earth? You know, Like, what's that relationship? Is

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Speaker 4: it the Sun of the Devil? It is in some fiction, right,

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Speaker 4: very much so.

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Speaker 2: In some well, it's weird to think of it as

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Speaker 4: Because again, Rosemary's Baby, just in terms of Son of

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Speaker 4: the Devil is like the Antichrist.

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Speaker 2: No, You're absolutely right, it's just in my mind even

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Speaker 2: when I'm trying to separate the fictional depictions of what

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Speaker 2: we would consider an Antichrist versus like letters that were written,

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Speaker 2: you know, nine hundred and fifty a d That are

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Speaker 2: concerning and Antichrist based on you know, scriptures that that

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Speaker 3: This individual literal interpretation. And I'm glad we're bringing that

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Speaker 3: point up at the top, because, as we always want

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Speaker 3: to say, when we explore concepts like this bit of

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Speaker 3: a spiritual disclaimer. Your beliefs are your own. We're not

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Speaker 3: here to tell anyone what they should or should not believe.

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Speaker 3: But we do find a fascinating, surprising bevy of conspiracies

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Speaker 3: in Tales of the Antichrist. I mean, I think it's

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Speaker 3: fair to say that, even if you don't consider yourself

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Speaker 3: Christ in particular or religious in general, you have heard

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Speaker 3: about the concept of the Antichrist in clear like in

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Speaker 3: clear seminal works of fiction, some of the best horror films,

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Speaker 3: some of the best horror novels on the planet, some

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Speaker 3: it's about the Antichrist.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Christ Superstar and Marilyn Manson.

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Speaker 4: Again, that guy sucks, but that was like he kind

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Speaker 3: There is one I'm glad you mentioned music to there

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Speaker 3: say they don't say I am the Antichrist, they say

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Speaker 3: the question is, oh, and also in real life over millennia,

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Speaker 3: there have been numerous people who at various times claimed

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Speaker 3: that's what Marilyn Manson's picking up on there.

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Speaker 2: Well, and let's point this out. I think we've talked

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Speaker 2: The is what you end up like trying to like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the best way to explain it is like

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Speaker 2: But then in Thessalonians it goes on to talking about

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so the anti Christ to get polar opposite of

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Speaker 3: And this guy has a grift, he has a grand conspiracy.

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Speaker 3: And I like the point where we're talking about the

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Speaker 3: The Antichrist is often at least the singular like final boss.

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Speaker 3: Antichrist is the son of Satan in a dark parody

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, is the concept of the Antichrist as the

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Speaker 3: Man, I'm glad. So there are specific interpretations of scripture

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Speaker 3: only a scant number of passages, like three passages in

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Speaker 3: They all come from the letters of John.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they're interesting. Should we read some of them?

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Speaker 2: I just here's here is first John, Chapter two, verse

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Speaker 2: And as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming.

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Speaker 2: Even now, many Antichrists have come. This is how we

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Speaker 4: This really feels just like being anti referring to a

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Speaker 3: Again, I keep going back to, and I don't mean

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, let me give you one more passage here,

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Speaker 2: how you can recognize the spirit of God. Every spirit

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Speaker 2: the Antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even

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Speaker 3: So like a lovecrafting monster or some kind of spiritual contagion,

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Speaker 4: And last one, this one is, I think speaks to

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Speaker 4: Liar, But he who denies that Jesus is the Christ,

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Speaker 4: this is the ampti Christ. He who denies the Father

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Speaker 4: He who confesses the son has the Father. Also, this

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Speaker 4: to me is just about like adhering to doctrine and like,

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Speaker 3: Know, And it sounds like we may have given you

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Speaker 4: I read was from First John, chapter two, verse twenty

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Speaker 3: There again, it's scant in its specificity, and early Christians

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Speaker 2: first time I heard son of Perdition, I always think

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Speaker 4: I don't know why Western too. I picture of the

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, dude, totally. But son of Perdition.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and ad so we'll get to is very

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Speaker 3: Warlock is the absolute banger.

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Speaker 5: Uh there, am remember that the least.

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Speaker 3: Remember the Devil's Advocate, Devil's First Off, that's the best one.

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Speaker 3: I can't say that. I can't say it. It's my

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Speaker 3: again differentiate between a main Antichrist and other you know,

433
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Speaker 3: anti junior varsity Antichrist, some of whom are already in

434
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 3: the world, and that I think that distinction kind of

435
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 3: explains the later and present practice of labeling folks as

436
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 3: and Antichrist. You might not be the Great Beast, but

437
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 3: you're super down with them, and you're not fooling us.

438
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 4: This is the idea, but I mean, you know, to

439
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 4: your point, it is such a depending on where you

440
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 4: stand and what your belief systems are, there are obvious

441
00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 4: candidates that kind of emerge, you know, throughout history, throughout

442
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 4: the world in terms of folks that follow that kind

443
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 4: of trajectory, right that we were talking about, the sort

444
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 4: of ascending as a man of a person of the

445
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 4: people and then being lifted up by you know, society,

446
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 4: and then then affecting great change and then gradually plummeting

447
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 4: the world into darkness. But that part we haven't exactly

448
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 4: necessarily seen that happen yet.

449
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 3: So in a way, you know, these folks get portrayed

450
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 3: as sort of the infernal answer to the divine armies

451
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 3: of Christ and God. They're like officers in an enemy

452
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 3: army of damnation, and a lot of.

453
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: Our ministers, right, basically going out and preaching the anti Christ.

454
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 3: Message proselytizers, Yeah, of evangelicals, and so an early example

455
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,719
Speaker 3: of this comes from the Middle Ages. This was a

456
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 3: great time for anti Christ promotion. There's a collaborate monk

457
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 3: named yo kim Or Yokim of Feor, and he pitches

458
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 3: the idea of a series you call them opening Acts

459
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 3: anti Christ for the Big Antichrist Show. And he says, look,

460
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: what we're looking at is a cavalcade of people, an escalation.

461
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 3: And he says, folks like Nero, folks like the Muhammad,

462
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 3: the actual prophet Muhammed from Islam, Folks like Saladin, these

463
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 3: are all Antichrist leading up to the emergence of the

464
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 3: Big Bad. And like a lot of Middle Ages writers,

465
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 3: he believed the real Antichrist, the big One, would of

466
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 3: course come in his society during his lifetime.

467
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, any major figure that pushes people away from a

468
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 2: what would what that person would consider a Christ's centered

469
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: life and the Word of God and how a human

470
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: should live in the things they should believe in. Right, So,

471
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 2: anybody that pushes that message and pushes you further away

472
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 2: from that is one of these ministers and then the

473
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: main one is eventually comes to power, right, But there's

474
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,959
Speaker 2: an other theme here that it's power over the world,

475
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: not of a country.

476
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 4: That's up to interpretation too, and again it's highly linked

477
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 4: to politics and geopolitics and all of these interlocking complex systems.

478
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 4: And also depending on where you are in the world,

479
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 4: what affiliation you have, it's also up to interpretation and

480
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 4: easily weaponized.

481
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Speaker 5: It's fascinating.

482
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, Secularism rises in the stories. All early Christians agree

483
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 3: there's one great, big bad. As secularism rises, as people

484
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 3: go away from God lose their belief in God. This

485
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 3: individual swoops in opportunistically deceiving people with apparent miracles, taking

486
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 3: over positions of earthly power like all the New World

487
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 3: type stuff, and then spiritual power, and then finally claiming

488
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 3: to be God themselves. And I want to be very clear

489
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 3: here the idea of secularism rising or turning people from God,

490
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 3: that doesn't just mean saying atheism or there's no God.

491
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 3: That can mean very minor doctrinal disagreements.

492
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Speaker 4: I mean, just think the difference in the wars that

493
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 4: were started with the disagreement between Protestantism and Catholicism. A

494
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 4: lot of basic similarities there, but some very specific things

495
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Speaker 4: that cause people to murder each other.

496
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Speaker 2: Well, think about just listen to ourselves talking about this, guys.

497
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: You can see why someone who believes wholeheartedly in some

498
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: of the core beliefs here would see something like the

499
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: United Nations, right, or the World Health Organization, or anything

500
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: that's bringing the entire world together in some secular way.

501
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 2: How you could view those potentially as negative entities and organizations.

502
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Speaker 5: Right.

503
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 3: Sure, we'll get to that because we'll see another complex

504
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 3: fold in of conspiratorial folklore in this.

505
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's the all or nothing nature of

506
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 4: religious belief and the fact that it inherently has this

507
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 4: adversarial quality with people of other religious beliefs who believe

508
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 4: their thing just as much as you believe your thing.

509
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 4: For we are not the same, and we must war.

510
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 4: If we can't convert you to our thing, then you

511
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 4: are our enemy. And so it's almost like the introduction

512
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 4: of secularism. Well today it feels a very innocuous thing,

513
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 4: but some I'm sure doesn't. Then was tantamount to heresy,

514
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 4: you know, the idea of secularism. Godlessness is what that

515
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 4: translates to.

516
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and this is again, like we said earlier,

517
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 3: this is in us versus them mentality, and we have

518
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 3: to understand, like as weird and literally apocalyptic as this

519
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 3: may so out during the later Middle Ages, if you're

520
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 3: the average person in many communities, you just accept as

521
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 3: fact that the Antichrist, the main one, is about to

522
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 3: reign on Earth in your lifetime. Pretty much any overly

523
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: successful political figure that you disagree with might be the Antichrist,

524
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 3: or they might the anti Christ might already be here.

525
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 3: The final judgment maybe nigh. It's a level of paranoia

526
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 3: resembling the Cold War and the threat of nuclear weapons.

527
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 3: Like people genuinely thought this was happening. It wasn't until

528
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: the sixteenth century that folks stopped thinking of this as

529
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 3: a present or coming imminent terrible individual and thought of

530
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: the Antichrist as a collective body of evil. And we

531
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 3: owe all of that to a guy named Martin Luther.

532
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 3: Pretty big deal to Protestantism. He's the guy. He did

533
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff. He also said, look, folks, fight

534
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 3: the real enemy, said, the Antichrist is none of a

535
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 3: not a single pope, the institution of the papacy, this

536
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 3: organization is the anti Christ, and that's what's driving us

537
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 3: away from God. And the thing is, I mean, it

538
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 3: sounds weird today right to say like the Catholic Church,

539
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 3: which is responsible for Christianity, is also anti christ Like.

540
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 3: But once you get that paranoia in play, anyone can

541
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 3: be a villain.

542
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: I've heard several people pause it that the Vatican really

543
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 2: is the last remnant of the Roman Empire, and that

544
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: is how the Roman Empire continued on, and that's how

545
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: it still is able to exert a lot of power.

546
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: Maybe that's wrong. That does seem like it seems like

547
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: there's something to that that the Holy Roman Empire still exists,

548
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: but as the papacy.

549
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 4: But even more so, it seems like there's definitely something

550
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 4: to how much these declarations by Martin Luther caused Catholics

551
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,959
Speaker 4: and Protestants to truly despise each other. Like I've been

552
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 4: watching that show Showgun on FX, which is a remake

553
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 4: of like an older mini series based on a novel

554
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 4: about you know, invading forces into Japan. It was these Protestants,

555
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 4: you know, this Protestant ship who were going to, you know,

556
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 4: try to take over this part of Japan which is

557
00:32:54,640 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 4: being held by Catholic Portuguese monks and they have absolutely

558
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 4: hate each other and want to murder each other on site.

559
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 3: Yeah again us versus them, ILG. I got a little

560
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 3: bit lost because I'm trying to remember one of the

561
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: best shows I saw. It was out on Netflix. There's

562
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 3: a TV series about addiction and possession and one of

563
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 3: the big plot lines. I guess it's okay to say

564
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 3: because I remember the name of this. One of the

565
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 3: big plot lines is active conspiracies within the Catholic Church, right,

566
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 3: the call is coming from inside the house, and people, Yeah,

567
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 3: people believe this, you know. And if you're a Protestant

568
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 3: and much of what you have witnessed in your life

569
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 3: experience seems to be corruption, right and sin on behalf

570
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 3: of the Catholic Church, then you are going to fall

571
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 3: into other ring, you know. And now look, now, the

572
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 3: Catholic Church as it exists is less inclined to identify

573
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 3: the anti Christ and Antichrist as a specific coming individual.

574
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 3: But there have been a lot of candidates. We mentioned

575
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 3: Barack Obama. I thought I found it interesting we're talking

576
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: about this a little bit off air. There was a

577
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen poll that showed there's a great Guardian article

578
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 3: about this, it showed roughly one in four Americans believed

579
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 3: Obama might be the Antichrist.

580
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and I think a lot of that goes

581
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 2: back to how how he brought so many people together.

582
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: It seemed as though, right his message was very positive.

583
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 2: It was about helping each other out, working together, we

584
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: can do positive things, you know, as a collective of humanity.

585
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: They didn't see it maybe as very christ like or biblical.

586
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 3: Right, How was this guy so successful? Yeah, he can't

587
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: just be trying to do his best at his job.

588
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: It's kind of postular, I think, so popular.

589
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 3: Why do people like it? I bet it's the devil?

590
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 3: And they said stuff like that about Napoleon, Benito, Mussolini,

591
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 3: Peter the Great, Thomson, Tom Hooks. You could kind of

592
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 3: name anybody like I'm sure there's someone right now. I

593
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 3: watched The Family Guy and thought it's Seth MacFarlane.

594
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 4: You know, I've been accused of being the Antichrist three

595
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 4: times already this week.

596
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, I'm joking.

597
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 4: I'm not not high profile enough to be accused of

598
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 4: being the Antichrist. But it does Joe that this kind

599
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 4: of talk is being thrown around pretty fast and loose,

600
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 4: you know, when it comes to identifying the ultimate enemy

601
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 4: of a given group.

602
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's often in the modern day in the West,

603
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 3: it's often leveraged by what we will call factions of

604
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 3: conservative Christianity. And these are you know, for everybody, everybody

605
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 3: tuning in practitioners of the Christian faith. When you hear that,

606
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 3: obviously we're talking about the people that you at your

607
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 3: church would call crazy, really far out there, folks. And

608
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 3: for a while again, except for except for Gerald Ford,

609
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 3: for some reason, for a while, every single president has

610
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 3: been accused by someone of being the anti Christ. John F. Kennedy,

611
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 3: Ronald Reagan, it knows no political ideology. Henry Kissinger had

612
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 3: the top slot for a long long time in the

613
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 3: seventies and eighties.

614
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 5: And then you supported that I did, I do?

615
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 4: And uh.

616
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 3: Mikhail Gorbachev was also a front runner for a time

617
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 3: because he was in charge of the USSR, and he

618
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 3: had a very unique and distinct earth mark of the beast,

619
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: mark of the beast.

620
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 2: Oh, there's only it's so funny. There's only one person

621
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: who could possibly right now be the Antichrist, and I

622
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: would fall for.

623
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 5: It, oh boy, And I would fall for it.

624
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: Well, that's yeah, Okay, there's two neil in his one.

625
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 5: Actually that's not true.

626
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 2: That's not true. I really like Neils, say, follow him

627
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 2: like him.

628
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 3: I wouldn't the guy.

629
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 2: I wouldn't follow him. But it worries me that I

630
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: do see like John Stewart, sorry Jay stew but I

631
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 2: see him as a person. I see him as a

632
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 2: person that I would follow like kind of. I would

633
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: just be like, you know what, like, uh, Grimma Stewart,

634
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: I'm with you. Let's go that.

635
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 3: I'll email him, I'll be like, hey, man, are you

636
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 3: from the.

637
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: Tribe of dan Oh. I didn't even think about that

638
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: far oh j.

639
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 4: Anyway, your liberalism is showing.

640
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: I know, I know, but like, but it's but it's

641
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 2: not about that, It's about growing up with somebody.

642
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 3: Yes, trust.

643
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird.

644
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's kind of a conscience of America, regardless again

645
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 3: of political ideology. There's a funny story. In twenty fourteen,

646
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 3: a US Republican politician Ryan z zinc Zinke accused Hillary

647
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 3: Clinton being the anti Christ. Is very public about it.

648
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 3: He's very serious. It was like I read the Bible,

649
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Speaker 3: I see the signs. Think about it. People, do your

650
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: own research. Hillary Clinton is the anti Christ.

651
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 5: And that a bass song was about.

652
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: That's what every as bass song is about.

653
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 5: Even all that she wants is another baby.

654
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Speaker 2: I thought it was the sign.

655
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Speaker 5: That's a different one you're talking about and.

656
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 3: Waving without God.

657
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 5: Yes, but you're right, she wanted a baby. That's a

658
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 5: different song.

659
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 4: That's ah that she wants the baby at.

660
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 3: AULTI. Christ is very into babies, so for different reasons.

661
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 3: So this one story, you know, the political circus that

662
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 3: has replaced journalism and American discourse, they love stories like this,

663
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 3: and uh, it got so much press that during the

664
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 3: Trump inauguration, the inauguration, former President Donald Trump, uh, Hillary

665
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: Clinton made a big deal about specifically pointing out this

666
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 3: riot guy and reassuring everybody that she was not, in fact,

667
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 3: the scion of Satan sent to overthrow all that is

668
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 3: good in the universe.

669
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 2: Thank goodness.

670
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 3: I don't think he believed her, Oh, because you know,

671
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 3: there's always that logic trap where you can say, well,

672
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 3: that's what any antichrist.

673
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 5: Would say, spider Man pointing at Spider Man exactly.

674
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and then you know there's all the hits.

675
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 3: Saddam Hussein Osama bin Laden, who I still don't. I

676
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 3: just don't think he's a great guy and the person.

677
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 3: I don't think so. Yeah, but we did find a

678
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 3: we did find at least one explanation for the trend

679
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 3: of accusing a lot of people of presidents, in particular

680
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: being accused of being the Antichrist. We are going to

681
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 3: introduce you, folks to a guy named Gerald Burton win Rod.

682
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 5: What a win Rod?

683
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 3: What a win I do like that like a spit

684
00:39:59,480 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 3: on Nimro.

685
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 5: It's like a windbag and a Nimrod combined.

686
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 3: Which was accurate. Yeah, I think so.

687
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 4: He's a pro Nazi, far right evangelical from Kansas who

688
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,720
Speaker 4: is largely responsible for the modern president is the anti

689
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 4: Christ kind of rhetoric that we're sort of dancing around here.

690
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 4: Win Rod believed that FDR was a devil linked with

691
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 4: of course the Jewish Communist conspiracy, and of course the

692
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 4: Hitler was cool, and that he would save Europe from

693
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 4: the Communist horde.

694
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, wind Rod Man, that kind of sucks.

695
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's a heck of a trendsetter. Because again

696
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 3: after this, like people who hear these predictions often don't

697
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 3: or these accusations often don't know that it comes from

698
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 3: blood libel. You know, it comes from this strong background

699
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 3: of anti Semitism, and and that's where things like the

700
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 3: Mark of the Beast get folded in. But it's still

701
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 3: not it's still not quite I think the the strangest stuff.

702
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 3: Maybe we talked about the Mark of the Beast though,

703
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 3: because we've mentioned it a couple of times, it's often

704
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 3: called six sixty six.

705
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 4: Right, oh, and really quickly before we get into that mark, Matt,

706
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 4: You're absolutely right. Gerald Ford had assassination attempted on his

707
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 4: life a couple of times, and one of them was

708
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 4: by a member of the Manson family, Squeaky Frome. He

709
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 4: tried to kill Gerald Ford in California. But you think

710
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 4: the Mansons would be pro Antichrist?

711
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 2: Well, maybe is a Squeaky from or from I can't remember,

712
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, but I no, it's fine. I just dude.

713
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 2: There is an entire show that's going to be coming

714
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 2: out later this year called Rip Current that deals with

715
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 2: the two assassinations against Gerald Ford by Squeaky and there's

716
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 2: another woman that attempted an assassination on him.

717
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 3: It's crazy, yeah, and he's survived both of them, perhaps

718
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 3: because he had the Mark of the beast, mark.

719
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 5: The beast, demonic force field or something right, right, not.

720
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 3: Just secret security? Who are you really working for? Answer

721
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 3: the Department of the Treasury. People need to understand how

722
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 3: weird that is anyway, So the mark of the Beast

723
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 3: comes from Revelations Revelation chapter thirteen, which we briefly discussed earlier.

724
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 3: Then the whole you know, the horror of Babylon and

725
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,919
Speaker 3: the you know, the beasts in the sort of Ends

726
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 3: of Times kind of situation. And the idea is that

727
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 3: the mark of the beast similar to the concept of

728
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 3: putting blood on your door in Egypt of old. The

729
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 3: mark of the Beast is kind of a parody of that,

730
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: and regular humans, the Jane's and John's and so ons

731
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 3: of the world, will have to have a mark of

732
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: the beast on them if they participate in the society

733
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 3: that the Antichrist runs. Over the years, as society is modernized,

734
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 3: that quote unquote mark has been interpreted as many things.

735
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 3: Is it, for instance, this is really popular a few

736
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 3: decades back. Is it your Social Security number? Is it

737
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 3: the UPC you know all that other stuff.

738
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Speaker 5: Could it be the color of your skin perhaps.

739
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, or you know a barcode or a chip maybe,

740
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 2: or something a vaccination.

741
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 4: I say the thing I said as pointedly just because

742
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 4: that's one way it could be really disgustingly used to another,

743
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 4: you know race.

744
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well yeah, I mean it can be used, right,

745
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: the concept of it could be used in a lot

746
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 2: of ways. But there are strange technologies that again, like

747
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: imagine if you're talking about something that would be a

748
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: technology that allows you to exist in a society. Yeah,

749
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 2: if you don't have a some kind of bank card

750
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: or cash app, car card or something like that, you

751
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: really can't function in a lot of society today, right sure.

752
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, And in days of old you couldn't do it.

753
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: Like you might have to have a licensing system to

754
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 3: live in a certain community. And if you didn't vibe

755
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 3: with that, you would say, well, this is a mark

756
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 3: of the beast.

757
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but most of it isn't an actual mark

758
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: or an actual thing that's attached to the human body. Rob,

759
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 2: What was that recent There's a company we just heard

760
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 2: from recently that is making a Star Trek thing that

761
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: goes on your shirt that you could touch and be like, hey, computer,

762
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: what's this.

763
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Speaker 4: Oh, there's a couple of different ones I've seen called rabbit,

764
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 4: and there is another one. Yeah, a little AI kind

765
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 4: of personal assistant kind.

766
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: Of but taking your phone technology basically or most of

767
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 2: your phone technology and putting it on you, right, rather

768
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: than a handheld device or something like that. And just

769
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 2: imagine that iteration or two ahead. And it could be

770
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: something that is like an implant, right, or something that

771
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: is a part of your body that becomes the mark.

772
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 3: Already, I mean that is statistically inevitable unless there is

773
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 3: an extinction event that affects humans immediately. Like that is

774
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 3: going to happen. The the meat and the metal will

775
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 3: continue to merge. It's just going to happen.

776
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 4: The most illiterative sentence I've heard all day, and I

777
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 4: love it.

778
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 3: It's still kind of early. We'll get we got some work,

779
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 3: but yeah, I love that point because we also, again

780
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 3: we see interpretation. What is meant by a mark?

781
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 5: Right?

782
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 3: Is it just a like a signaling to the world.

783
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 3: Is it something that goes inside you as a person?

784
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 3: And then is it communicable? Will you be punished for

785
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 3: not participating the same way our pal ads so said

786
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 3: the Antichrist would torture and execute people.

787
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 5: Yeah?

788
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 2: Maybe again, like, well, there are three ways, right, ASO said,

789
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 2: the first thing he's going to do is deceive people,

790
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 2: and those he can't deceive, he's going to use fear

791
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 2: to control. If he can't do that, then he's gonna

792
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 2: throw you in a kulog basically. But in a couple

793
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 2: other instances, the mark is a hidden thing and it

794
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 2: only is on the Antichrist. It's not a part of

795
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 2: followers or anything.

796
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 5: Right.

797
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: The yeah, take it back to the Omens series, and

798
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: it is a hidden birthmark that has to be discovered.

799
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: But nobody on the outside, like no one looking at

800
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: this child would know that's the Antichrist. But if you

801
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 2: pull the hair back in a certain way, you can

802
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 2: see it.

803
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 3: And then in other stories too, it's like a hidden sign, you.

804
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: Know, or on the hand there's like a six sixty

805
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: six in the hand somehow.

806
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 3: And the idea of this serves the conspiracy theory aspect

807
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 3: or the folklore aspect, because in these stories one needs

808
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 3: if you're the good guys, right, then you needed the

809
00:46:53,880 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 3: ability to identify somehow, uh, the the opposition. That's a

810
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 3: huge part of it.

811
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 5: The ops.

812
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting too, how one reason that this

813
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 4: depiction of this kind of stuff in fiction and in

814
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 4: popular culture at the time or at a time like

815
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 4: maybe in the well as far back as it was

816
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 4: beginning to be written about, but even in the nineties

817
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 4: and stuff with like the Anti Christ Superstar record from

818
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 4: Marilyn Manson, this stuff was controversial, like people were still

819
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 4: freaked out by.

820
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 5: This kind of stuff.

821
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 4: So to like, you know, depict it, it felt a

822
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 4: little dangerous, like a little edgy, and it freaked out parents,

823
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

824
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there is great power to that, right,

825
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 3: because what you're doing then is tapping into your leveraging

826
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 3: one of the oldest, most dynamic stories in all of

827
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 3: human culture, right, religion aside, just touching on that idea

828
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 3: of a very powerful force that has been around forever

829
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 3: and is fundamentally beat me here, Paul is fundamentally opposed

830
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 3: to you, you personally, unless you get the right mark,

831
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 3: unless you switch sides, I don't know. And there's like

832
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 3: you mentioned, the fiction and the music aspect. It's so

833
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 3: endlessly fascinating that the concern and interest in the Antichrist

834
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 3: story encounters cyclical popularity just like a Satanic panic, you know,

835
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 3: another mass hysteria outbreak like the Screaming Girls of Malaysia,

836
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 3: you know, one of the big resurgences in this I

837
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 3: would argue there are two variables. First, how stable is

838
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 3: the current world of which you live right, your current community,

839
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 3: et cetera. Do you feel safe secure access to resources? Second,

840
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 3: are there any particularly popular things in the world of

841
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 3: novels and film and art? Have any of them mentioned

842
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 3: the anti Christ? Because if they do, that's a cheat

843
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 3: code that gets people interested. Shout out to the fiction

844
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 3: series and later adaptations. Left Behind. It's a fantastic example

845
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 3: of how fiction feeds the factual interest told you alliteration.

846
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 4: Left By would also be considered of a certain niche

847
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 4: of cinema that is, you know, pretty religiously based or

848
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 4: so most movies in Hollywood stuff is pretty secular. Left

849
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 4: Behind series is very much has a message and is

850
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 4: sort of promoted by the Christian community.

851
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a big example, but there's a lot

852
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 3: of like in the world of Christian oriented fiction. There

853
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 3: are a lot of similar things, and they're leveraging the

854
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 3: story that everybody knows at least in pieces, and they're saying, well,

855
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 3: let's reevaluate it or recontextualize it through a more modern lens.

856
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 3: I mean, look, the book series Left Behind in the

857
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 3: first one comes out in two thousand and five, and

858
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 3: there are years of chaos that follow. In the two

859
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 3: thousands and more and more people begin to search for

860
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 3: an behind the pandemonium. What if? They ask, just like

861
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 3: those people centuries and centuries go, what if the end

862
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 3: times are coming? And what if they're happening while I'm alive.

863
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 3: I hate to say it, but I see the trend.

864
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 3: I kind of think a lot of people want to

865
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 3: be around at the end of the world.

866
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 2: I think it's something that a lot of people feel

867
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 2: they need to be prepared for for some reason, which

868
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 2: again kind of like an apocalypse or you know, preparing

869
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 2: for the zombies or you know whatever. It is, thinking

870
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 2: about bunkers, thinking about survival buckets of food and all

871
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 2: that stuff. It is maybe in the back of a

872
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 2: lot of people's minds because you don't want to get

873
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 2: caught off guard by something like that. You want to

874
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 2: have the best chances of surviving, I guess, but it

875
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 2: is weird to think that it would be surviving and

876
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 2: maybe not really living for a lot for you know

877
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like life would be very different after

878
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: whatever cataclysmic event or if we're hitting up on the

879
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 2: end times. I think it's an that inner thing where

880
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 2: you don't want to be a sucker, you don't want

881
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: to be caught off guard.

882
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 3: But I see that. I do think there is there's

883
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 3: a lot of validity to that. I think maybe those

884
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 3: two impulses coexist in the same person, in the same communities.

885
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 2: I've had a couple of conversations with people recently who

886
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: are convinced that this election coming up is like the

887
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: last chance to save humanity from the actual end times, which.

888
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 3: Like Christian theological end times.

889
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 2: I think so, I think, I mean, I'm not really sure,

890
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 2: you know, like what these individuals believe in their personal

891
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 2: life about that kind of thing, like religiously, but something

892
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 2: about the politics side of it intersecting with their religious life.

893
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 2: It feels like they think the stakes are at the level.

894
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 4: Surely people have accused Taylor Swift of being the Antichrist

895
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 4: as for her part in all of this, remember the

896
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 4: whole conspiracy about Taylor and being able to sway the election,

897
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 4: and that it feels like the kind of rhetoric on

898
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,479
Speaker 4: the right was Porterer lines She's the Antichrist, kind of talk.

899
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 5: I feel you.

900
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 3: I also I'm glad you bring that up because there

901
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 3: is a bit of a soapbox I want to get

902
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 3: on here. You know, it's rare for women or female

903
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 3: identifying individuals to be identified as the Antichrist, and I

904
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 3: think that is historically unfair. Everybody should get a chance

905
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 3: to be the big villain, so, you know, more equality

906
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 3: in anti Christ accusations.

907
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 4: So if Taylor were to be accused of being the Antichrist,

908
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 4: that would be another big win historically for her.

909
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, progress, yeah, yeah, yeah, added to the accolades, and

910
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 3: at least some of the success between the of these

911
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 3: modern fictional and interpretations, you know, like left Behind or

912
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,240
Speaker 3: most notably the Omen. At least part of this success

913
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 3: comes from this combination of long standing Antichrist theory and

914
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 3: later conspiracies surrounding what we talked about earlier, modern institutions.

915
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 3: We love a global cabal. Modern anti Christ speculation folds

916
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 3: into this stuff because it's an easy red stream to connect.

917
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 4: I guess we haven't talked a whole lot about the

918
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 4: idea that there are forces at work working to make

919
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 4: sure the Antichrist is born and brought forth like in

920
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 4: Good Omens the Terry Practett and Neil Gaiman series that

921
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 4: is also a really delightful TV series as well. The

922
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 4: book rather came first, But that is all about these

923
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 4: secret sects within I believe, even the Vatican and with

924
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 4: them that are like working to make sure the Antichrist

925
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 4: is born, and maybe even to a lesser degree in

926
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 4: like Kevin Smith Dogma, but very much that's part of

927
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 4: the story. Is there's like, you know, again, like in

928
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 4: Rosemary's Baby, there's members of this kind of unnamed cult

929
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 4: no spoilers, well spoilers for a forty year old movie

930
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 4: that are like working to make sure that Rosemary gets

931
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 4: impregnated with the seed of Satan and then they're going

932
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 4: to raise the baby and all of that, you know.

933
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 3: And there are things like Hereditary, which takes the same

934
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 3: sort of plot line, just isn't specifically Satan. It makes

935
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 3: sense when you when you think about the fear that

936
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 3: people inherently encounter living in a globally connected world, you

937
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 3: can see where these the origin the provenance of these things.

938
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 3: The United Nations is an insane idea. I mean, if

939
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 3: you went back in time and you explained it, people

940
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 3: would tell you that's devilment, you know, and if you

941
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 3: like the builder Burgers, any global banking institution, conspira corporations

942
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 3: past a certain threshold, all of them have been accused

943
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 3: of various shenani and stuff like this, some of it

944
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 3: with validity, to be fair, But they those cabal conspiracy theories,

945
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 3: they inherited other earlier stories. They carry with the burden

946
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 3: of prejudice us versus them, ideologies anti Semitism. So like,

947
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 3: whenever you hear these things, we have to put on

948
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 3: our thinking caps and remember the lesson from all that

949
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 3: old wind rod stories are another kind of technology, That's

950
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 3: all they are. And like any other kind of technology,

951
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 3: they can be weaponized for great and sometimes horrific effect.

952
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 5: No doubt about it.

953
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 4: And last thought to leave us with for this evening's episode,

954
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 4: What's Next? We talked a little bit about Taylor Swift

955
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 4: and what's going on and all of the chatter around

956
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 4: this political cycle. But like, what's the true future of

957
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 4: antichrist rhetoric? Is it even maybe becoming a little obsolete

958
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 4: as the world does get a little more secular, or at

959
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 4: least this country, But I don't know on the religion's

960
00:55:59,080 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 4: going anywhere.

961
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 2: Well, well, it's tough because the some of the recent

962
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 2: episodes we've done and historically do point us to small

963
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 2: groups of people who do work in secret against humanity

964
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 2: by selling goods that give us cancer, by you know,

965
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 2: by circumventing yeah, well, by building weapons and then finding

966
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: ways that those weapons need to be sold, or at

967
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 2: least pushing right for the need for those weapons to

968
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 2: be sold.

969
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 3: Starting off, starting work.

970
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: But again, like for me, it goes back to consumerism

971
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: and some of the globalization, that there are groups of

972
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:38,959
Speaker 2: people that are all about profit and they don't care

973
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 2: if they're actually hurting people. And that goes to the

974
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 2: individual level, but also two individuals working together for profits

975
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 2: and shareholders and all that other stuff. So I can

976
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 2: see why this would continue on guys like I can

977
00:56:54,680 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 2: see antichrist concepts and people fingers being pointed at people

978
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 2: saying you are the Antichrist. I think it's going to increase.

979
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 3: I think it's going to continue. I mean, it's a

980
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 3: very it's a story that resonates with people because people

981
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 3: do conspire against one another and do attempt to for

982
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 3: good or for ill. They attempt to paint folks they

983
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 3: don't like as villains because you don't want to have

984
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 3: someone you don't care for be thought of as the

985
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 3: good guy. You're the hero of your story, and that's

986
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 3: that's part of the Like even back to the early

987
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 3: days of tribal warfare, religious ideology is a often irrationalization

988
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 3: to say, here's why I should have the resources and

989
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 3: you should not, and what.

990
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 2: But we also don't want people causing mass harm, right, yeah,

991
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 2: I mean, and I think that in a weird way.

992
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 2: I don't think that has anything to do with being

993
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 2: the hero or not. I think that has to do

994
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 2: with being able to look out in the world and

995
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 2: say that person or that group is hurting us or others.

996
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:00,439
Speaker 4: You know, this is such an easy constant to wrap

997
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 4: your head around to the anti us. You know, it's

998
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 4: the it's the ultimate them.

999
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 3: It's like my kid.

1000
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 4: I guess a lot of the kids are using the

1001
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 4: term the ops, and at first I thought it was

1002
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 4: just referring to cops. But it means my enemy, the opposition,

1003
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 4: someone who is is the opposite of me, and that's

1004
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 4: what the Antichrist represents. It's easy to wrap your head

1005
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 4: around the idea of hating that which is different than you,

1006
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 4: or that which threatens you.

1007
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 3: Right, because you deserve the resources, not these, not these nabops.

1008
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 3: I'm bringing back the nabob. I love it is.

1009
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 5: That was that ever a thing? I love it.

1010
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 3: I just heard it in Apocalypse now which stop but anyways,

1011
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 3: an acronym maybe it is. Let's learn the etymology that

1012
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 3: in a future episode. The idea of mass harm though,

1013
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 3: is we have to remember the same people doing mass

1014
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 3: harm or often rationalizing their actions. So from their point,

1015
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 3: from their perspective, they are also the good guys. It

1016
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 3: just depends on what what you see good. As you know,

1017
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 3: it goes back to our original question nature of good

1018
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 3: and evil. I mean, it's exciting, I think to explore

1019
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 3: the idea of the anti Christ evolving in the future.

1020
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 3: We know it's been happening, it's still happening, and there

1021
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 3: are a lot of changes on the horizon space exploration,

1022
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 3: cloning corporations, so called artificial intelligence, space antichrist AI antique Christ.

1023
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 5: Now, when are people going to start accusing artificial intelligence

1024
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 5: of being the end?

1025
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 3: That's what I say?

1026
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 5: No, I love that.

1027
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be the perfect anti Christ. It's completely of

1028
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 2: man of the world, and it shows us progress.

1029
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 4: It's progress, guys. You know, it's helping us, it's a tool.

1030
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 5: And then it eats all of our lunches.

1031
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 3: It's kind of a I've been working on a related

1032
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 3: story with something like that. It's interesting. We'll see if

1033
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 3: it works to hear it. Oh yeah, long, I don't

1034
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 3: know if it's good, but I'll send it along. So

1035
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 3: I wonder, then, like, can we now that we know

1036
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 3: these texts are reinterpreted, recontextualized, and they respond socially right

1037
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 3: to the pressures of the day, then I agree with you, guys.

1038
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 3: I think humans will see new threats and fears emerge,

1039
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 3: and then they'll see them through the shadow of that

1040
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 3: ancient story, and so the Antichrist as a concept will

1041
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 3: evolve and it will assume a shape that personifies the

1042
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 3: fears of that modern age. AI Antichrist, you know what

1043
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 3: I mean, dude.

1044
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 2: I can see a clear picture.

1045
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 5: Guys.

1046
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 2: It's a huge warehouse, and you have six hundred and

1047
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 2: sixty six supercomputers. They are in a they are laid

1048
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 2: out in a pentagram.

1049
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 4: They eventually sprout robot tentacles and start through the city.

1050
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 3: And it takes a while. You get like thirty minutes

1051
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 3: into the film until someone figures out that they move

1052
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 3: along lay lines, so and we have the influence opposition. Yeah, yeah,

1053
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 3: so I don't know. It makes sense in times of

1054
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 3: mass uncertainty, of fear and privation. People wonder if you

1055
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 3: know this is the moment where the House of cards collapses,

1056
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 3: whether with a bang or a whimper. Shout out to

1057
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 3: s Eliot. All good stories have a villain. Humans need

1058
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 3: and explanation for why bad things happen to good people.

1059
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 3: It's a question that hasn't been answered yet. And so

1060
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 3: the Antichrist fits the bill on all of those things.

1061
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 3: Whatever shape these new stories take, the people telling them

1062
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,959
Speaker 3: are going to do one thing for sure. They're going

1063
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 3: to assure you the story they're telling you is true,

1064
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 3: and it's the stuff the devil doesn't want you to know.

1065
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 5: The end the or is it.

1066
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to the tentacled supercomputer Antichrist.

1067
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 3: It's so metal. I will do your bidding.

1068
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 5: I will follow you into the dark.

1069
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 4: And hey, this episode was brought to you by the

1070
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 4: First Omen. Please don't forget to catch it in theaters

1071
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 4: on April fifth.

1072
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 3: We're super excited to see it.

1073
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 4: We talked about a lot of anti Christ fiction and

1074
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 4: film in this episode, and I'm thinking this is going

1075
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 4: to be a pretty good addition to that canon.

1076
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 2: And if you want to see the movie, remember this

1077
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 2: is only in theaters April fifth.

1078
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 3: I can't wait. I can't wait to go see this

1079
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 3: with you.

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Speaker 5: Guys.

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Speaker 3: I love this kind of stuff and we hope that

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Speaker 3: you enjoy it too. We want to hear your thoughts,

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Speaker 3: especially if you have a conspiratorial take on the idea

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Speaker 3: of the Antichrist that you think your fellow listeners either

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Speaker 3: will enjoy or need to know. We try to be

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Speaker 3: easy to find online.

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Speaker 5: Boy do we ever.

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Speaker 4: You can find us at the handle Spiracy Stuff on

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Speaker 4: x FKA Twitter, on Facebook we have our Facebook group

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Speaker 4: Here's where it gets crazy. And on YouTube, where you

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Speaker 4: can see Ben dressed up as George Washington or is

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Speaker 4: it the actual George Washington time travel You can also

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Speaker 4: hear Matt sing about existential dread experience by said a

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Speaker 4: presidential time traveler.

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Speaker 3: It's a banger of a song, folks, It's.

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Speaker 5: Been in my head all week.

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Speaker 4: Or if you want to find us on TikTok and Instagram,

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Speaker 4: we are Conspiracy Stuff Show.

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Speaker 3: Oh and before we move on, just a quick shout

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Speaker 3: out to everybody. Thank you for tuning into that stuff.

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Speaker 3: We're hoping it's a series new spoilers. And yes, someone

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Speaker 3: reach out to Brad Neely. You are you are a

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Speaker 3: guiding light, my friend.

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Speaker 5: Yeah man.

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Speaker 2: And for somehow the whitest kids, you know, it's it's still.

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Speaker 2: They always come up whenever there's an American President sketch.

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Speaker 2: For me, it's it's every time. It's the butt still

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Speaker 2: every time. Hey, we have a phone number. It's one

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Speaker 2: eight to three three. Styk. When you call in, you've

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Speaker 2: got three minutes. Give yourself a cold nickname. Say whatever

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Speaker 2: you'd like. Just at some point let us know if

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Speaker 2: we can use your name and message on the air.

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Speaker 2: But if you don't want to do any of that stuff,

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Speaker 2: why not instead send us a good old fashioned email.

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Speaker 3: We are the folks who read every single email we get.

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Speaker 3: a day, seven days a week. Tell us what's on

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Speaker 3: your mind, Send us the links, send us the photographs.

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Speaker 2: Stuff they don't want you to know is a production

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