Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two eighty nine,
Speaker 1: Episode three of day production of iHeartRadio. This is a
Speaker 1: podcast where we take a deep dive into America share consciousness.
Speaker 1: And it is Thursday, June first, twenty twenty three, Gemini Season,
Speaker 1: Gemini Season.
Speaker 2: Get those what as they say, like split personalities that
Speaker 2: thinks seminis.
Speaker 1: You got two you got two sides?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Also, hey Jack, just want to say looking great today
Speaker 2: because it's National Say Something Nice Day. It's also National
Speaker 2: hazel Nutcake Day. It's Global Day of Parents. Shout out
Speaker 2: all the parents out there. And also for me, National
Speaker 2: gold barefoot Day because I seldom wear shoes unless I
Speaker 2: have to. World Reef Awareness Day, World Milk Day, pen
Speaker 2: Pal Day, Nail Polish Day, Heimlich Maneuver Day.
Speaker 1: It all happened. Shout out to the Heimlich Maneuver. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a good I don't remember if it
Speaker 1: was Radio Lab or This American Life, but it was
Speaker 1: like one of those good formative podcasts. Not taking podcasts
Speaker 1: with they like run through the history of the Heimlich maneuver.
Speaker 1: And it was like, yeah, man, people when they choke,
Speaker 1: when they were choking in a restaurant before you were
Speaker 1: just like there you go, guy, I guess. And then
Speaker 1: like the Heimlich thing came in like mid twentieth century
Speaker 1: or so, and I think into like the sixties seventies era,
Speaker 1: and and then he was like on the all the
Speaker 1: late night shows and stuff being like, guys, this is
Speaker 1: going to save so many lives, and sure enough, but
Speaker 1: then you kind of let the power God destroy him. Anyways,
Speaker 1: by the way, really, I know, do you believe it?
Speaker 1: Gemini season starts May twenty first, Okay, end's June twenty first,
Speaker 1: So we've been in.
Speaker 2: We've been in it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I thought about all the Gemini. It is the
Speaker 1: my attraction to the number of geminis that the world
Speaker 1: throws in my life. That is the one thing that
Speaker 1: makes me believe him.
Speaker 2: The last few people that I dated were yet then
Speaker 2: the Gemini can zone like it's these next, because cancer's
Speaker 2: next right after? I think, so, yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yo, Leo, which is name, My name's Jack O'Brien aka.
Speaker 1: I have to build a damn Kazama beaver. A beaver
Speaker 1: is courtesy a yobro on the discord who said, heard
Speaker 1: the guys talking about making up words for kids songs
Speaker 1: in the intro today, my eight year old recently came
Speaker 1: up with this to the tune of Imagine Dragon's Believer,
Speaker 1: which is, by the way, the most popular song with
Speaker 1: children in that age range. Like my five and seven
Speaker 1: year old are real dragonheads, imagine heads. I don't know
Speaker 1: what they're called, but anyways, Yeah, so shout out to you.
Speaker 1: Shout out to the young weird al yank vicks out there.
Speaker 1: My kids are in a phase where they like fart songs.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, songs made of that use the
Speaker 1: fart as a primary instrument. I'm thrilled to be joined
Speaker 1: as always by my co host mister Miles Graun Wild Creak.
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Speaker 1: I was on Francesca Furentines podcast Bituation Room. Yes Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is like a live stream, somebody came on and
Speaker 1: said they were there for my plumpers, and it was
Speaker 1: like right after I had jumped off, and she was
Speaker 1: scandalized and did not know what that meant and was
Speaker 1: grossed out and just a just a word.
Speaker 2: Did you even tell people you're gonna be on Situation Room?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Or maybe probably Francesca did because she she promotes A guess, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because I was curious. I'm like, did someone just like
Speaker 2: I'm on plump Watch.
Speaker 1: I totally forgot I was gonna be on it until
Speaker 1: we started recording yesterday and I was like, oh, anyways, Miles,
Speaker 1: little house keeping up top. For the first time in
Speaker 1: the history of this show, we're trying a new publication
Speaker 1: schedule for the summer. We're gonna be doing a me
Speaker 1: re eight episodes a week. We're gonna try some new
Speaker 1: episode formats out some expert episodes. We're gonna hear from
Speaker 1: some listeners, talk with some of you guys. So that
Speaker 1: will be the new format. Will be Tuesday mornings episode.
Speaker 1: There will be one episode on Friday, one episode on Monday.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and we're still taking anything anything interesting you
Speaker 1: can tell us about your job. We've gotten a lot
Speaker 1: of great. Yeah, we've got people who worked at CERN.
Speaker 1: We know, we've got some really smart, impressively interesting.
Speaker 2: To the point I'm like, I'm like, I don't want
Speaker 2: to talk to them. They're gonna fucking make me feel dumb. Fuck.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no that that person will not The person
Speaker 1: who's worked a certain will not be on the podcast.
Speaker 1: There's also people with like really boring sounding jobs, but
Speaker 1: who have really interesting things to say about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the listeners. Yeah, all right, Miles. We're thrilled to be
Speaker 1: joined by a brilliant journalist, storyteller, ceo podcast host whose
Speaker 1: most recent show, Silence the Radio Murders, can be found everywhere.
Speaker 1: Fine podcasts are Please welcome back to the show. Ah,
Speaker 1: it's Lassia, thank you.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Scheck, and it was very nice
Speaker 4: to be back.
Speaker 1: It's wonderful to have you.
Speaker 2: Great to have you. Where are you coming to us from?
Speaker 4: Has I am coming into you from the JV Soho
Speaker 4: House which is called Soho Works. It's a coworking space
Speaker 4: with a Soho House branding, but we work way of Life.
Speaker 4: Oh so there's quite a lot of activity around me,
Speaker 4: so I hope there's no audio bleed as we say
Speaker 4: in the industry, Did.
Speaker 1: You say you're coming into us from? Is that.
Speaker 4: Or I feel like that's I feel like that's they
Speaker 4: always said it on news broadcasts back back into the day,
Speaker 4: coming into you from It does sound a bit lewde
Speaker 4: now you mentioned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds awesome. I love it. I wish that
Speaker 1: was an American thing too. That rules awesome. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were just talking about Soho House works, which is
Speaker 1: like there, we work, but fancier I guess than we were.
Speaker 2: What's like the membership annually to like Soho House? It
Speaker 2: was like, no like for it.
Speaker 4: More than that the global domination plans. It's funny. I
Speaker 4: was with an Italian friend and Soho Soho House has
Speaker 4: belatedly opened in Rome and everyone in Italy is very excited.
Speaker 4: And they have a global no nuts policy in so
Speaker 4: House because of nut allergies, and apparently now it's becoming
Speaker 4: very chic at parties in Rome not to serve nuts
Speaker 4: because that's what happens it so had.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's the influence. Amazing, quite amazing.
Speaker 2: Let's see, if you got the all houses option and
Speaker 2: you say you use the main.
Speaker 1: What you need, Yeah, you got to you gotta go everywhere. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in Rome this weekend for a night,
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna stop at the Soho House.
Speaker 2: Are you under twenty seven? That's a question. Annual cost
Speaker 2: oh four ninety nine dollars.
Speaker 4: No, I hastened to add fool so who works?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, of course, of course, of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's always funny to see because like every time i've
Speaker 2: I've been to like the Soho House in La for
Speaker 2: like an industry thing, I'm always amazed at the people.
Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, people are paying money to be here,
Speaker 2: like yeah, in here, okay, Okay, I mean I get
Speaker 2: it because it's so industry, like it's so tapped in,
Speaker 2: Like I know that La people are like they just
Speaker 2: want to be up in it wherever. But gotta say,
Speaker 2: it just feels like, uh, I don't know, like and
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: That anecdote I always tell about Tom Cruise coming up
Speaker 1: the stairs while I'm coming down, and he's just like
Speaker 1: hovering like a vampire above this there. He just like
Speaker 1: seems to be off the ground, like his height is
Speaker 1: not the thing you notice. The thing you notice is
Speaker 1: that he he like moves around like Doctor Manhattan with
Speaker 1: just like sheer charisma that happened at a Soho house.
Speaker 1: I don't belong to the Soho house, but I know
Speaker 1: people who do.
Speaker 2: That's where you see things.
Speaker 1: That's where you see shit like that.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, it costs so much more if you're under
Speaker 2: twenty seven. Okay, they treat it like a rental car.
Speaker 2: They're like, if you're under twenty seven, we don't want
Speaker 2: you in our exclusive.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: What do they think's gonna happen? That you're gonna miss
Speaker 2: all over the furniture because you're a baby.
Speaker 1: That that is gonna happen. Actually, uh would have for
Speaker 1: me as a twenty seven year old. Oz. You have
Speaker 1: a new show about murders that happened in the eighties
Speaker 1: in Miami. Not surprisingly cocaine not far away from it
Speaker 1: the CIA. But what Q you tell us a little
Speaker 1: bit about about the show? What interested you about this story?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So the show is called Silence the Radio Murders,
Speaker 4: and it's about the unsolved murders of four radio DJs
Speaker 4: or radio journalists in fact, in Miami in the early nineties.
Speaker 4: And what's kind of interesting is that all of the
Speaker 4: crimes were treated basically individually and the victims were perhaps
Speaker 4: predictably smeared as being involved in drugs, which they weren't.
Speaker 4: They were all Haitian exiles who'd moved to Miami fleeing
Speaker 4: the Duvalier regime. And the killings happened at this incredibly
Speaker 4: hopeful moment for Haiti, when they had their first ever
Speaker 4: democratically elected president in nineteen ninety one, and these guys
Speaker 4: in Miami were using their radio shows to promote this president, Aristide,
Speaker 4: to raise money for him, to mobilize the community, and
Speaker 4: then they got murdered one by one. And in the meantime,
Speaker 4: there was a military coup that overthrew Aristide. The military
Speaker 4: figures who led the coup, it turned out later, were
Speaker 4: all on the payroll of the CIA at the time,
Speaker 4: and also major knarco traffickers. And the radio guys in
Speaker 4: Miami were calling us out on the airwa when they
Speaker 4: got killed. So I read a report that my co
Speaker 4: host Anna Rana wrote about the crimes in the early
Speaker 4: nineties where she called for a federal investigation, where she said,
Speaker 4: this is basically an outrage. And I called her up
Speaker 4: and I said, whatever happened, and she said nothing. So
Speaker 4: we started working on this podcast together.
Speaker 1: That Yeah, it's just when listening to it, like it's
Speaker 1: there are those tragedies of history when the people are
Speaker 1: you know, fighting for human rights and you know, trying
Speaker 1: to speak out in favor of justice and they get
Speaker 1: killed and the killer's goal is just like achieved, like that,
Speaker 1: they're silenced and they get forgotten, forgotten, and like we've
Speaker 1: seen that a lot in the US with people like
Speaker 1: Fred Hampton and you know, Malcolm X and who are
Speaker 1: killed before they're able to have like the massive impact
Speaker 1: they surely would have. And yeah, it's wild that you
Speaker 1: found an example like that that is just still unsolved,
Speaker 1: which I guess that's also the case with Fred Hampton
Speaker 1: and Malcolm X.
Speaker 4: But yeah, and this is a small community. I mean,
Speaker 4: this is little Haiti in Miami, which at the time
Speaker 4: had about sixty thousand people. So if you kill four
Speaker 4: of the most vocal of those sixteen thousand and no
Speaker 4: one is brought to justice. Unfortunately, it works. And what's
Speaker 4: particularly bitter is I would say that the guy Fritz Daor,
Speaker 4: who was kind of the leader of this group, who
Speaker 4: was the second person to be killed, he actually fled
Speaker 4: Haiti on a boat because he'd won this national competition
Speaker 4: to be a school principal, but he refused to accept
Speaker 4: his award on stage with baby doctor Valier and basically
Speaker 4: had to flee. He was on a boat for fourteen
Speaker 4: days over he arrived on the December twenty sixth. I
Speaker 4: think the boat was almost smashed to pieces by a storm.
Speaker 2: He got to.
Speaker 4: Miami and he thought, okay, well, I had leave my
Speaker 4: family behind, had to leave everything behind. But at least
Speaker 4: here I can speak freely and call out the reasons
Speaker 4: why I had to leave. And of course he was wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's a it's a pretty bracing kind of
Speaker 1: portrait of like what it's like to live under dictatorship.
Speaker 1: And like there's a part where like baby ducks like
Speaker 1: henchmen just show up, like start appearing in Miami and
Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean like he has like literal henchmen, like like
Speaker 1: foot soldiers. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: They were basically spies, and they compiled this thing if
Speaker 4: ocraatically known as the Black Book, which had the names
Speaker 4: of the most vocal enemies of the regime in Miami,
Speaker 4: and it was reported back to to Haiti and you know,
Speaker 4: go figure, wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Cia think, yeah, they had a hand in that, huh.
Speaker 2: Especially I mean like when you look at the history
Speaker 2: of Haiti of like you know, the like one of
Speaker 2: the only place to like sort of liberate themselves and
Speaker 2: then the backlash that's happened in the form of like
Speaker 2: just financial terror. Uh yeah, I'm like, oh in the
Speaker 2: sea Okay, Yeah, they're also part of that to sort
Speaker 2: of maintain that that pain campaign.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, os, We're gonna get to know you
Speaker 1: a little bit better in a moment. First, we're gonna
Speaker 1: tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about.
Speaker 1: The Republicans are mad at Kevin McCarthy for refusing to
Speaker 1: destroy the economy and like a bunch of jobs and
Speaker 1: stuff because it's what they're doing good for presidential election.
Speaker 2: They don't know what a default is, but they like
Speaker 2: the word. That's one thing I've got it, Like, well,
Speaker 2: it should have default. They're defaulting on the default, and
Speaker 2: that's the good default. So my default here is that
Speaker 2: we should be defaulting. So well, we'll just talk about
Speaker 2: the fallout from the potential deal. Taylor Swift concerts are
Speaker 2: causing mass amnesia. Apparently this is just a weird story
Speaker 2: that as somebody who has suffered from, like I don't know,
Speaker 2: like weird little bit bouts of memory loss, especially in
Speaker 2: the past like five seven years. This was really interesting
Speaker 2: to me because there's like psychology today articles about like
Speaker 2: what could be the cause of this and how memory works,
Speaker 2: and a lot of the ways that they're saying memory
Speaker 2: works is not like what I what I was taught.
Speaker 2: And it has nothing to do with her fans trying
Speaker 2: to like memory hole like that she's with Matt Heally.
Speaker 1: No, it seems like it has more to do with
Speaker 1: than the concert itself being so blissed out by the
Speaker 1: concert that they can't truly like the great of the best.
Speaker 1: This all might be a viral marketing stunt for the
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift tour.
Speaker 2: It's so good you won't remember.
Speaker 1: It's so good it will obliterate your frontal lobe, whichever
Speaker 1: lobe stores memories. Uh, we're gonna talking about eighty three
Speaker 1: year old sex machine. Al Pacino is expecting a new baby.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I have a loose theory about the Pachio
Speaker 1: Pacino de Niro Pachiero. I like THEO I ship them.
Speaker 1: That's my loose theory. I ship them. I want them
Speaker 1: to be to get uh no, that like they're competitive
Speaker 1: with each other. And that's why he's having a baby
Speaker 1: at eighty three because de Niro just had a baby,
Speaker 1: right basically, Okay, all of that plenty more. But first,
Speaker 1: as we do like to ask our guests, what is
Speaker 1: something from your search history.
Speaker 4: Well, I recently got married tokay, thank you so much
Speaker 4: to German woman, and so I've been trying to learn German.
Speaker 4: I do weekly an hour a week on Zoom.
Speaker 2: And so my.
Speaker 4: German teacher said, I think you're ready to graduate from
Speaker 4: ABC's and so she instructed me to google Deutsche Krimmi's
Speaker 4: which means a German crime mysteries. And so I ordered
Speaker 4: a German crime mystery book for beginners and excitedly tore
Speaker 4: it open from the Amazon packaging and then unfortunately couldn't
Speaker 4: understand single words. So it's a very disappointing experience.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, I'm ready for the big leagues now,
Speaker 4: sadly not, but hopefully one day I'll be able to
Speaker 4: understand my crim Do you.
Speaker 1: Start with like teenage young adult crime novels when like
Speaker 1: you're learning a new language, are they like, all right,
Speaker 1: here is the equivalent of like Judy Bloom, you're gonna
Speaker 1: need big words, like the font size to be big
Speaker 1: and the words to be small.
Speaker 4: Embarrassingly, these are actually made for beginner German learners, so
Speaker 4: I should really build understandard. But it was truly devastating
Speaker 4: me underwhelming experience of encounter with my language skills. I
Speaker 4: just I love the like the enthusiasm, like, yes, here
Speaker 4: we go, I've graduated.
Speaker 2: I'm telling it this.
Speaker 1: You're like not inmmune, oh no.
Speaker 4: He's actually I was like, I was like, I don't
Speaker 4: really understand any of the vocabulary. She's like, that's okay
Speaker 4: if you have to, if you have to look up
Speaker 4: like one in every ten words, I was like, it's
Speaker 4: more like one in every two.
Speaker 1: I'm actually sobbing over the book right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'm looking forward to the memory memory conversation
Speaker 4: because Apropos europe plasticity. It's definitely much harder than it
Speaker 4: was in high school. It's one thing I've learned about learning.
Speaker 2: Because you're you're a polygulad, aren't you? Are you bilingual?
Speaker 4: Not a polyglot at all? No, but I learned frank
Speaker 4: Spanish in high school and it was definitely way, way easier.
Speaker 2: Florence, Southern California.
Speaker 1: Yo, Tamby, Tamby brother, what is something you think is overrated? Well?
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 4: I was racking my brains on this and and and actually, Myles,
Speaker 4: your comment about wearing shoes really resonated with me. I
Speaker 4: actually hate wearing shoes. I was reminded being in this
Speaker 4: last bowl that so her works of a. I used
Speaker 4: to work for a branding and strategy agency and we
Speaker 4: had a meeting that I thought went quite well, and
Speaker 4: then my boss called me into a one on one
Speaker 4: huddle afterwards, which I wasn't sure what the message was
Speaker 4: going to be, but he was like, we all saw you,
Speaker 4: including the carrying your shoes around outside the meeting room.
Speaker 4: Please please, at work, always take your shoes on. I
Speaker 4: was like, you know what, very embarrassing but probably fair enough. Wait,
Speaker 4: so were you going like sockless? Like full on socks?
Speaker 4: I had red socks, which is a terrible British habit,
Speaker 4: and just just thinking, I was, you know, nice wondering
Speaker 4: shoes and the other which I feel like like I get.
Speaker 2: Sometimes when y'all take my shoes off. I've been in
Speaker 2: that place. I'm like, we get these shoes off, and
Speaker 2: then like I'll walk to like the office kitchen and
Speaker 2: like my socks and I but the only time I
Speaker 2: remember getting in an eye because I've been in a
Speaker 2: similar situation, for like, you're not wearing shoes, I'm like,
Speaker 2: you look like I'm in bare feet. Yeah, yeah, like different,
Speaker 2: it's different. I'm at least respecting, like I'm having some
Speaker 2: kind of foot covering on. I just don't like the
Speaker 2: structure of my shoe and it's more comfortable, So please
Speaker 2: leave me alone and I'll go back into my office
Speaker 2: and look at Reddit.
Speaker 4: That's one of the the always that were articles every summer,
Speaker 4: which is like what's the correct etiquette on the airplane
Speaker 4: based on the frontline experience of the cabin attendant to
Speaker 4: host or hostess, And the advice is always you are
Speaker 4: to see your shoes off, but not your socks, but
Speaker 4: you have to tat your shoes back on before you
Speaker 4: go to the bathroom, which I'm I'm off.
Speaker 1: Seam to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want to wear towels on your feet
Speaker 2: to go into a bathroom. That's what I look, that's
Speaker 2: what a sock becomes at that point. But yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm like looking, there's a fly flying around.
Speaker 1: Here, and I thought there was a bird in the mouth.
Speaker 2: No, I'm about to Clyde Fraser this motherfucker like I might.
Speaker 1: Around in your hand than release just.
Speaker 2: Release it back in the room and let it start
Speaker 2: all over again. But no, I am.
Speaker 1: Big shoes on energy just for everyone that I have
Speaker 1: ugly feet that smell bad. Okay, So I've always kept
Speaker 1: my shoes on, and I've always looked upon people who
Speaker 1: just sit down on an airplane and take their shoes
Speaker 1: off with wonder and.
Speaker 2: Well, my ship smell good, So I don't. That's I'm
Speaker 2: never uncasing some stinky feet. I'll keep the socks on
Speaker 2: because it's cold on the airplane, like people who go
Speaker 2: bare feet in the fucking plane. No, that's a violation.
Speaker 2: I will say that that is a violation, an FAA violation.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I cleared.
Speaker 1: Out an entire dorm floor in basketball camp when I
Speaker 1: was like twelve years old with like my my socks.
Speaker 1: Oh no, like that happened to it, like like the
Speaker 1: other wing of the dorm. There's so much What is that.
Speaker 2: Ship that happened to me in fifth grade? Not me
Speaker 2: but a kid in my school we went to this
Speaker 2: like camp and like we were in these dorms and
Speaker 2: his shoes smelled so fucking bad, like everyone lost their
Speaker 2: minds and it kind of turned into like a low
Speaker 2: key bullying thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like yo, this was like a crazy s and
Speaker 2: it was like he cried and ship and I remember like, ah, damn,
Speaker 2: I'm glad my feet don't smell because how they get you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was definitely formative. And that's why I wear
Speaker 1: boots to bed and when I sleep, I keep my
Speaker 1: boots on.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 2: That's I remember when we were on tour once You're like, hey,
Speaker 2: do you have a like some garbage bags and duct tape?
Speaker 1: What? I Yeah, I will frequently, even if you're in
Speaker 1: a hotel with like the little the windows that only
Speaker 1: open a crack, I will hang my socks out the window.
Speaker 1: I spy the foot spray because I do, and they're
Speaker 1: actually not that bad anymore. It's just but I'm pretty
Speaker 1: self conscious about it.
Speaker 2: Right, But the pain has already, the trauma has already.
Speaker 2: The pain is.
Speaker 1: What's something you think is underrated?
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's a music to the ears of
Speaker 4: our overlords. iHeart radio, but I'm going to say broadcast radio.
Speaker 2: Because because AM radio brought the rise of the far
Speaker 2: right in America or that.
Speaker 4: That is that is that that is that is probably
Speaker 4: sadly true. But but on the other hand, the transitionor
Speaker 4: radio in Latin America I think was a big driver
Speaker 4: of of of different leftist revolution and in Haiti radio
Speaker 4: was absolutely huge remains huge. And so when these victims
Speaker 4: of these crimes arrived in Miami, it was kind of
Speaker 4: interesting because there were these broken radio stations where different
Speaker 4: communities could basically buy airtime by the hour, and so
Speaker 4: you would have like a cookout or you know, whatever else,
Speaker 4: and these Haitian arrivals basically started buying airtime and using
Speaker 4: the airtime to play music and stuff, but also to
Speaker 4: report on what was going on in their community in Miami,
Speaker 4: which was completely overlooked by all of the mainstream news outlets,
Speaker 4: and also to call out the abuses and what was
Speaker 4: going on at home in Haiti. And so it's pretty
Speaker 4: cool just I mean, obviously it had a very tragic ending,
Speaker 4: but the idea of being able to take this like
Speaker 4: mass media tool into your hands and turn it into
Speaker 4: a weapon was kind of cool. And literally one of
Speaker 4: the sources said, you know, they had the guns, but
Speaker 4: we had the microphones. And so I was pretty inspired
Speaker 4: by just hearing about how this exile community found the
Speaker 4: only broadcast and communication technology available to them and users
Speaker 4: a tool to organize and to call out abusis and stuff.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I thought I learned a lot about the
Speaker 4: history of radio reporting the show and some inspiring stuff
Speaker 4: in there, alongside the obviously hellish healthscape of AM radio
Speaker 4: and conservative talk, which.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why is it all conservative shit in the US?
Speaker 1: Do you have theories on that after doing the reporting
Speaker 1: on like how it operates in other countries?
Speaker 4: I guess conservatives much as love that crackling cracking at
Speaker 4: the AM dial. No, it's a really good question. I
Speaker 4: don't know. I mean, I think it's you know, I
Speaker 4: guess the conservative answer maybe something like it was hard
Speaker 4: to get booked on mainstream media before Fox, and so
Speaker 4: like AM radio was the only place they could be.
Speaker 4: And in fact, I think it wasn't like somebody was.
Speaker 4: I think I think it read something. Maybe it was
Speaker 4: when I was preparing to come on your show last
Speaker 4: time when you got sick, Jack, But it was about
Speaker 4: was it Tucker or somebody else complaining about how electric
Speaker 4: cars didn't have AM radio dials, and this was isn't
Speaker 4: the soul some conservative values? That was something which obviously
Speaker 4: I don't think is the reason they don't have AM
Speaker 4: radios right in electric in electric vehicles. But it's but
Speaker 4: it's it's it's it's a very you know, cheap and
Speaker 4: efficient communication mechanism. And yeah, I guess one way you
Speaker 4: can reach an audience without having to like participate in
Speaker 4: any system.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
Speaker 2: And I think the other thing is that like AM
Speaker 2: radio lends itself to like the call in style like
Speaker 2: talk radio, whereas FM doesn't, and that is like like
Speaker 2: those dynamics like just in the market of it, just
Speaker 2: it becomes a completely different animal. Yeah, you know, like
Speaker 2: that's like why you get Russian Limbaugh and like that
Speaker 2: whole that whole kind of thing. We're just like you,
Speaker 2: you're now doing this whole You're performing for just a
Speaker 2: gigantic audience constantly, rather than like being casey ks and
Speaker 2: popping in between like hits.
Speaker 1: The leftists are also not frequently booked in mainstream media
Speaker 1: and also disenfranchised. And yeah, it's an interesting question.
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess democracy democracy now is a radio
Speaker 4: call in show, but I don't know if that's AM
Speaker 4: or fmd FM.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, MPR, I guess might be the sad answer
Speaker 1: to the question of you know, well, but.
Speaker 4: It was interesting at the time they were they were both.
Speaker 4: They were like promitory and anti military radio stations, and
Speaker 4: the anti military radio stations were way more popular, and
Speaker 4: the anti military broadcasters actually like successfully organized a boycott
Speaker 4: and got the pro military broadcast has taken off the
Speaker 4: AM dial in Miami, and that's when things really started
Speaker 4: to go like into overdrive, and like they were getting
Speaker 4: death threats to call them to their radio shows and
Speaker 4: people turning up with guns and so like. There was
Speaker 4: really a battle for control over the airwaves in Miami,
Speaker 4: which which unfortunately turned turn physical.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in America, when you try and do a leftist
Speaker 1: radio station, like the host get murdered.
Speaker 2: Yeah right. No, there's like Tom Hartman who like has
Speaker 2: like a progressive radio shows, Like he writes constantly about
Speaker 2: how like like the left needs to have a comparable
Speaker 2: tool because it's just you know, AM radio talk rado
Speaker 2: is completely dominated by those conservative radios and when they
Speaker 2: do they just think it's like interviewing people which is
Speaker 2: completely different than what like concern like what talk radio is.
Speaker 1: Right, So yeah, interesting, Well somebody who works for like
Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio or something should do something about that.
Speaker 2: I mean, right now, I think all we got are
Speaker 2: the podcasting nook.
Speaker 1: Right now, let's take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 1: right back to talk about the news. And we're back.
Speaker 1: And so it seems like McCarthy might have the votes
Speaker 1: to push the deal through to raise the debt ceiling
Speaker 1: avoid a catastrophic default. And you know, but the far
Speaker 1: right is trying to apply pressure in their own way.
Speaker 2: They're really I mean, I think there's there's there's a
Speaker 2: lot of fun when you look at what's going on
Speaker 2: with Kevin McCarthy, because you know, he gave a lot
Speaker 2: a way to become the speaker. If you remember, like no,
Speaker 2: like remember how many times had to vote and it
Speaker 2: was like nah, nah, And then he kept going around
Speaker 2: and he was like please, man, what do you want, Like,
Speaker 2: I'll fucking do anything. I'm just like you can be
Speaker 2: speaker for a day whatever. And so one of the
Speaker 2: big things that like you know that he sort of
Speaker 2: gave as an assurance to the conservative especially in the House,
Speaker 2: Freedom Caucus. We're like, you're gonna work with Joe Brandon
Speaker 2: and we hate that is He's like, hey, look if
Speaker 2: I if I run a foul, you guys can trigger
Speaker 2: a vote of no confidence and you can you can
Speaker 2: have me, you know, just get me out of here,
Speaker 2: whatever you want to do. So just keep that in mind,
Speaker 2: is all as we talk about all this. So they're
Speaker 2: really losing it. And what's really interesting is that, you know,
Speaker 2: they a lot of the Republicans are talking about the
Speaker 2: default in a way that they don't think that eventually
Speaker 2: it's going to be experienced by all people in the
Speaker 2: United States. Like they think it's just like an optics
Speaker 2: thing that if Joe Biden loses, then like, oh it's great,
Speaker 2: rather than like the real consequences of like doubling the
Speaker 2: unemployment rate or people's stonks going fucking poof. But you
Speaker 2: know what, Donald Trunk told them that default was good.
Speaker 2: And I just want to play this little clip from
Speaker 2: Chip Roy, you know, from the Freedom Caucus and the
Speaker 2: Logic here member of Succession jes Roy, Yeah, Chip Roy, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: He's Connor's other brother who they don't talk about much.
Speaker 2: He just I just want to play this for you,
Speaker 2: because his whole thing is like saying, like, we can't
Speaker 2: do this deal because Donald Trump said no, and that's
Speaker 2: about it. But just listen for yourself, because and he
Speaker 2: has no idea. I guess to me, he's completely divorced
Speaker 2: from the reality of what default means for the economy.
Speaker 6: President Trump said he thought we should default rather than
Speaker 6: pursue this kind of lunacy. At the end of the day,
Speaker 6: the only person that would default in this town is
Speaker 6: Joe Biden unless Republicans default on the American dream by
Speaker 6: voting for this bad bill. That is why this group
Speaker 6: will oppose it. We will continue to fight it today tomorrow,
Speaker 6: and no matter what happens, there's going to be a
Speaker 6: reckoning about what just occurred. Unless we stop this bill
Speaker 6: by tomorrow, the.
Speaker 1: Only person that's gonna default is Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: Is what really interesting, because again they're playing fucking hot
Speaker 2: potato with a fucking ticking economic time bomb and they're
Speaker 2: like and then he'll have it and then poof, it's
Speaker 2: all on him. But again, that was a lot of
Speaker 2: really cool use of the word default, but it was
Speaker 2: actually just a wonderful tossed word salad for all to enjoy,
Speaker 2: and many of the Freedom Caucus members are doing everything
Speaker 2: they can to try and tank the bill, but it
Speaker 2: seems that McCarthy has the votes, so now like they're
Speaker 2: just trying to poison the well as much as possible
Speaker 2: or have these like really low energy attacks. Let me
Speaker 2: play another one from South Carolina's Ralph Norman, who I
Speaker 2: think is admitting that he is unable to actually read
Speaker 2: written work. I believe is what he's trying to say
Speaker 2: with this appearance on Fox News. So he's going to
Speaker 2: come in talk His biggest criticism right now, aside from
Speaker 2: we shouldn't be working with Joe Biden, is that it's
Speaker 2: just too long, Like it's just such a big bill
Speaker 2: and we don't have enough time to read it. Keep
Speaker 2: in mind that like other bills have been in the
Speaker 2: thousands of pages, and he's going to get fact checked
Speaker 2: a little bit here on like why he's like this
Speaker 2: is way, this is there's no way we can vote
Speaker 2: on this, because that's all he's trying to say is
Speaker 2: we can't vote on this. But has the worst you know,
Speaker 2: logical excuse here.
Speaker 5: The negotiated bill that we hadn't even read. It's like
Speaker 5: the Pelosi days, you got to pass before you can
Speaker 5: read it needs but he is giving you seventy two
Speaker 5: hours to consider it before you're asked to vote on it.
Speaker 5: Blows didn't do that, and that's what the part of
Speaker 5: the twenty of us in January. We got that. But
Speaker 5: really for this seriousness, serious of a bill affecting the
Speaker 5: dollars that it is and the financial security, which is
Speaker 5: national security, who want to have a lot more time?
Speaker 5: And I think the day pages, it's only nine pages,
Speaker 5: not the two thousand plus that the Portable Care Act was. Well,
Speaker 5: and yeah, the one of the Biden bills was four
Speaker 5: and eighty pages that we had less time to read.
Speaker 1: You just fell asleep mid sentence. I'm gonna bail you
Speaker 1: out there. Ralph Norman.
Speaker 2: It's again. But I love the duality of like holding
Speaker 2: so many of these thoughts to be true. On one end,
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, fucking default because that'll fucking make Joe
Speaker 2: Biden look bad, But also like, but this is like
Speaker 2: with the severity, the seriousness of the financials and blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. It's like, well, which one is it? Does
Speaker 2: it not fucking matter if you default? Or is it
Speaker 2: that you have to read the bill because everything is
Speaker 2: so important. Again, that's just where they are because all
Speaker 2: they need is some kind of financial crisis to win
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four. That's their entire strategy right now,
Speaker 2: is some kind of crisis because it can't just be
Speaker 2: us saying.
Speaker 1: We don't believe in body autonomy. Right.
Speaker 4: I wonder if that's still counting on that friends in
Speaker 4: Saudi to to clor will production for the for the
Speaker 4: gas prices, that's the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, there's I mean, there's a few different levers,
Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, it's not gonna
Speaker 2: be because they change their policies or their platform. It's
Speaker 2: like make everything so untenable that they have to say
Speaker 2: yes to fascism. I think that's kind of the playbook
Speaker 2: they're trying to run. But again, here's the funny part though,
Speaker 2: is that, like now with all of this like outrage,
Speaker 2: it's possible a lot of people are talking about, like
Speaker 2: maybe we do fucking vote Kevin McCarthy out as speaker,
Speaker 2: which would be so funny because he wanted so badly
Speaker 2: to be speaker, and then he would probably become like
Speaker 2: come begging to Hakim Jeffries as the as the Democratic
Speaker 2: Minority leader to be like, can you give me some
Speaker 2: votes so I can be the speaker, in which case, Oh,
Speaker 2: it's just gonna be. It's gonna be. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember that that smile on his face when
Speaker 4: he won off to like the twentieth time, and yeah,
Speaker 4: this smile will not lasted very long.
Speaker 2: So unfortunately, because yeahs out here, yeah, like praising Joe
Speaker 2: Biden and stuff, and the Republicans just can't app they
Speaker 2: just can't stomach it. Meanwhile, like all the progressives in
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party are also like, man.
Speaker 1: Fuck this bill.
Speaker 2: So uh yeah, but I think right now most of
Speaker 2: the tension is going on Kevin McCarthy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, well, well, des Evd.
Speaker 1: Let's speaking of smile on their face. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. Her concerts are sweeping the nation. Everybody's excited
Speaker 1: on social media, and they're so excited they're apparently suffering
Speaker 1: from mass amnesia because some Taylor Swift fans are reportedly
Speaker 1: attending Taylor Swift concerts and then have no memory of
Speaker 1: the event afterwards. It's called by people on social media,
Speaker 1: not by the medical community. It's called they're calling a
Speaker 1: post concert amnesia. And so what are people saying that
Speaker 1: they're just like they're like, are they true?
Speaker 2: Like, I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah. One person claimed that if it hadn't been for
Speaker 1: a video of her at the show, she would have
Speaker 1: told everyone that it didn't happen. Another person said she
Speaker 1: had spent so long dreaming about what it would be
Speaker 1: like to see the singer in person. She later claimed
Speaker 1: she couldn't grasp what was reality. It's hard to put
Speaker 1: together what you actually witness, So I don't know she
Speaker 1: likes Taylor Swift. I've seen the like. So there was
Speaker 1: a tweet that was like one of my tweets of
Speaker 1: the day that was like comparing the like stage design
Speaker 1: to the really complicated shirts from season two of I
Speaker 1: Think You Should.
Speaker 2: Leave Dan Flashes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dan flashes really super complicated shirt pattern. Yeah they're
Speaker 1: more expensive, Yeah, more expensive because the patterns are so complicated,
Speaker 1: and like, her stage design looks pretty complicated. So I
Speaker 1: don't know if she's like done something that has Like
Speaker 1: I've never heard someone say it's hard to put together
Speaker 1: what you actually witness right before?
Speaker 6: Is it?
Speaker 2: Because like part of me is thinking, like one version
Speaker 2: is like hyperbole from fans to talk about how amazing
Speaker 2: it was that you're like, literally, I don't even know
Speaker 2: what happened. It was so magical, but like, are there
Speaker 2: actual people Like no, I'm actually worried, like I don't
Speaker 2: know what happened to me more like on that level,
Speaker 2: or is more like it was such a dream, like
Speaker 2: I don't know if I was just out of body
Speaker 2: or whatever, or I guess, or they're saying like it's
Speaker 2: hard for me to specifically even call back something from
Speaker 2: the concert. I know I was there, but that's about it.
Speaker 2: After that, I just went into an absolute dream state.
Speaker 1: If the CIA were to align itself with an artist,
Speaker 1: I feel like that would probably be the correct like
Speaker 1: that would be the choice.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah right, oh yeah, I think so. But
Speaker 4: it's a little I mean, if the idea is that
Speaker 4: it's such a trendsporting and extremely magical experience that you'll
Speaker 4: literately not able to per film memories, it makes a
Speaker 4: little disappointing that I've suddenly never I didn't have ever
Speaker 4: experience that. I've definitely been drunk enough. I don't remember
Speaker 4: what happened in college, But the idea that has such
Speaker 4: a transcendent experience that you can't remember. It kind of
Speaker 4: makes you wonder, like what am I I'm missing out
Speaker 4: on the life by not being a big tailis stand.
Speaker 2: Now I'm getting like fomo because like I've seen artists
Speaker 2: that I've absolutely obsessed over, yeah and been like I'm there,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be front row and I remember that shit
Speaker 2: like yeah, I fucking it was magical. Like I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm here, I'm experiencing it exactly how I want to.
Speaker 2: But yet to your point, I was, I'm like, so,
Speaker 2: is there like another level like.
Speaker 1: Drink and these people just getting really drunk for the
Speaker 1: first time, Like it was crazy, like had seven to
Speaker 1: twelve drinks and now I ge't no. So, according to
Speaker 1: one psychology professor, this is something that can happen when
Speaker 1: someone is in a highly emotional state. Due to exciting
Speaker 1: or distressing factors. The neurons associated with memory start firing indiscriminately,
Speaker 1: which makes forming new memories difficult, which which is the
Speaker 1: opposite of like I had always heard, when you're in
Speaker 1: like a heightened emotional state, you are more likely to
Speaker 1: like have a like flash bold memory, you know, like
Speaker 1: that's that's when you have those memories that really stick
Speaker 1: because you're like, have this heightened state of arousal.
Speaker 2: Don't tell that to Ronda Santis, who's denying people from
Speaker 2: Guantanimo recognized him.
Speaker 1: Right, how are they going to remember that?
Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know, man, people remember shit in
Speaker 2: those moments.
Speaker 1: That Yeah, what I know some people claim not to
Speaker 1: remember parts of their own wedding is the example that
Speaker 1: they're giving. So it's like, and so I've noticed this,
Speaker 1: like with being a dad, Like I will look at
Speaker 1: a video that I've taken up my kids and it's
Speaker 1: like just there, I'm like, I don't remember that at all.
Speaker 1: I don't remember saying those words at all. I don't
Speaker 1: remember kids looking like that because because I'm so like
Speaker 1: that has to do with just like I see them
Speaker 1: every day, so like what they look like is just
Speaker 1: what they've always looked like in my brain. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think there's something there that's like missing from my
Speaker 1: understanding of memory because the only thing that I had,
Speaker 1: the only interaction between memory and emotional state that I've
Speaker 1: really had room for in like the thing that I
Speaker 1: built in when I was like a teenager based on
Speaker 1: like accepted knowledge, was that like scared or excited you
Speaker 1: your memory like works better, so but and then really drunk,
Speaker 1: your memory doesn't work. Those were the two things that
Speaker 1: I knew of that could affect your memory. That's my
Speaker 1: psych degree. And then like there was also the stuff
Speaker 1: about you know, repressed memories of abuse or traumatic experiences.
Speaker 1: But like I had always kind of because a lot
Speaker 1: of that stuff ended up being recovered through hypnosis and
Speaker 1: like led to it involved in a lot of the
Speaker 1: satanic panic stuff. But it does seem like there's a
Speaker 1: little more here where like there are forms of heightened
Speaker 1: memories or like excitement or you know, like with my kids,
Speaker 1: it's like the love is so strong, like my brain
Speaker 1: can't look directly, Like it's like trying to look directly
Speaker 1: at the sun or something. Your brain just like isn't
Speaker 1: big enough to take it all in. Is like kind
Speaker 1: of how it feels. So maybe that's what they're experiencing
Speaker 1: with Taylor Swift concerts.
Speaker 4: Maybe there's a new merch opportunity like the spinning coin
Speaker 4: and inception that could be sold to Taylor Swift fans
Speaker 4: before the concept so they neither.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exact because she's a master of like repackaging things.
Speaker 2: They already have and be like, what about this version
Speaker 2: will I build for twenty four hours and it has
Speaker 2: half a song on it that you haven't heard about
Speaker 2: that by that, but yeah, maybe she does still like
Speaker 2: start selling like reality totems, so you keep spinning you
Speaker 2: know what's going on, which is funny because when you
Speaker 2: say that, Jack, the first thing I was like, well,
Speaker 2: this has happened at Beyonce concerts because that's the only
Speaker 2: other group of people who I feel like I get
Speaker 2: this with the connection, Like these people, the parasocial relationships
Speaker 2: that they have with Taylor Swift is to the next level,
Speaker 2: so like I can tell that they're already like operating
Speaker 2: in like a psychological space that might be different than
Speaker 2: other fandoms. But it's interesting because the only thing I
Speaker 2: was like, I just searched Beyonce post concert amnesia and
Speaker 2: an article just came out ten hours ago that way, Oh,
Speaker 2: Beyonce fans also getting post concert amnesia at Renaissance, So
Speaker 2: I'm like, is this a marketing thing?
Speaker 1: Like what the fuck is this could just be a
Speaker 1: few people on Twitter reported not being able to remember
Speaker 1: something and everybody jumped on it. But right, like, I mean,
Speaker 1: there are psychology professors and like this Psychology Today article
Speaker 1: claiming that like we folk, this Psychology Today article totally
Speaker 1: does not vibe with like how I feel like my
Speaker 1: memory works. They're like, you focus on experiencing the world,
Speaker 1: not remembering it. So if people are truly living in
Speaker 1: the moment and then enjoying the concert, they're not necessarily
Speaker 1: doing the work of trying to make new memories. It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't intentionally ever make memories. I'm not like, I'm
Speaker 1: remembering this so fucking hard right now? Jack, you remember
Speaker 1: in You remember it right now? Dude, this is good remembering.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 2: But I again, all I take from this is I'm
Speaker 2: actually good. I have fomo that I've never blacked out
Speaker 2: at a concert like that wasn't chemically induced.
Speaker 1: A concert for understandable reason, that wasn't chemically induced.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, and that wasn't me abusing xanax or something
Speaker 2: like I'm talking about like I'm fucking levitating because I
Speaker 2: love the artists. Someone, now, what is the Swifties again?
Speaker 2: I'm part of me, like the joke, the jokey side
Speaker 2: of me is like I think they just want to
Speaker 2: forget that she's with Maddie Healy and all that, right now, Yeah, anyway.
Speaker 1: But is the concert Like I guess it's hard to
Speaker 1: ask this question because you you can't, but like it
Speaker 1: are people saying it's like a really great concert who
Speaker 1: aren't like inherently huge Taylor Swift stands?
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. I mean the people who I
Speaker 2: know who are Taylor Swift fans who have gone. I
Speaker 2: feel like everything's been so pot like no one is
Speaker 2: saying a bad word about it. Yeah, obviously because the
Speaker 2: tickets were so fucking expensive and hard to get. I
Speaker 2: think that's the other part of it, too, is like
Speaker 2: you're probably so stressed because you spend like a fucking
Speaker 2: mortgage payment and a half trying to get a ticket
Speaker 2: to the show. Yeah, but yeah, I mean the other
Speaker 2: thing is too they're wearing people are wearing adult diapers
Speaker 2: to the shows. No, yeah, yeah, they because they don't
Speaker 2: want to miss a thing. Like there's a bunch of
Speaker 2: TikTok clips of like people helping their homegirls like get
Speaker 2: into some diapers. Another person was like was like taking
Speaker 2: selfie videos like I'm at the show.
Speaker 1: And nobody knows I have diapers on when we move back,
Speaker 1: and they're clearly wearing like under the Sky chicks, Like.
Speaker 2: Yo, actually, yo, something going on with your yoga pants.
Speaker 2: I'm seeing a thin blue line appear in the baby's diaper.
Speaker 2: But yeah, like again I get that part. Like I
Speaker 2: think I've told this story. I peed myself at the
Speaker 2: front row of jay Z at Coachella a few like
Speaker 2: ten years ago because I did not I didn't want
Speaker 2: to miss anything. And I when I saw how far
Speaker 2: I would have to travel to go to the restroom
Speaker 2: and then fight through a fucking gigantic pit to get
Speaker 2: to where I was, I was like, no, we're doing
Speaker 2: this right here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So and also you like, like we already mentioned
Speaker 1: everything about you smell your peace smells fantastic. So it didn't.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm very well hydrated, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. You're not going to get that like that
Speaker 2: sort of terrible like urreic acid. Oh yeah, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: not with me. It's basically water baby.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 1: right back, and we're back.
Speaker 2: Jack is there? Artists, you would go to the bathroom
Speaker 2: on yourself for? Who would you wear adult diapers for?
Speaker 1: Radiohead? Kendrick. They said Hendricks, Hendricks bro Oh no Jack, Yeah,
Speaker 1: those are big ones. Radiohead I've seen a number of
Speaker 1: times and they're always great, and Kendrick I've never seen,
Speaker 1: so I realized.
Speaker 4: I remember, actually on the subject of I didn't have
Speaker 4: any diapers, but I encountered a I guess a video
Speaker 4: game arcade machine for one of the first times. I
Speaker 4: was about nine or ten years old, and I was
Speaker 4: so delighted by it. Maybe I was a bit younger,
Speaker 4: maybe six or seven, but definitely wet myself while playing
Speaker 4: the game, and.
Speaker 2: Because out of your excitement and you're like, I can't
Speaker 2: let this go.
Speaker 4: I couldn't. I was like, I was like beating level
Speaker 4: two and I was like I can't. I can't, I
Speaker 4: can't let this go.
Speaker 1: Get it.
Speaker 4: But tutanic memories, Maybe the soiled diaper could be the
Speaker 4: clue as to whether or not you're already there, Yes, concepts.
Speaker 2: Does everyone strap on an adult diper.
Speaker 4: And then yeah, you know, are we assuming this is
Speaker 4: mainly number number one or number two?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You just like you put on the diapers and
Speaker 1: then you blink and suddenly the diaper is full in
Speaker 1: your back of your house with like a glow bracelet
Speaker 1: or risk Oh no, full diaper? What is that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I was, I was there? Are you were experienced? Where
Speaker 1: we where were we? I mean?
Speaker 2: We?
Speaker 1: Uh? Chris Christie is going to announce his doomed presidential
Speaker 1: run I guess in next Tuesday in New Hampshire.
Speaker 4: So see your next we look we'll I'll look.
Speaker 1: Forward to that.
Speaker 2: Chris, What does he think he's gonna do? Just debase
Speaker 2: himself to humiliate himself all over again like he did
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: That is the That is the main thing that this
Speaker 1: news has brought is like people being like, so, what's
Speaker 1: the play here? Like, what does he think? Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: he's definitely not gonna win, but does he know that?
Speaker 1: Does he know he's not gonna win? Some people are
Speaker 1: theorizing that he is being asked by other Republicans to
Speaker 1: come in as like the sniper who can insult Trump.
Speaker 1: So he comes in and during the debate he smears
Speaker 1: Trump and that allows Nicky Hayley and like DeSantis and
Speaker 1: all the other people who aren't willing to to continue
Speaker 1: to run without So.
Speaker 2: That is the dumbest idea. Whatever, even that's not doesn't
Speaker 2: even make sense. Politically, it's like, well, you be mean
Speaker 2: to him so that other people don't have to. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: Trump's just gonna tear their asses down too, So then
Speaker 2: what Yeah, yeah, christ you gonna be Chris Christy be like, hey,
Speaker 2: leave Nikki alone, motherfucker. He's not. He's gonna fucking He's
Speaker 2: gonna fold like a motherfucking like a fucking chair at
Speaker 2: an AA meeting. That's what's gonna happen. He's gonna lap
Speaker 2: and that's all it's gonna happen. And the only thing
Speaker 2: I can think of is that his ego like people
Speaker 2: are gassing him up and he's on some Jimmy Butler
Speaker 2: like revenge shit where he's like, I know I was humiliated,
Speaker 2: but this time I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna go so hard I may be able to win. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't do that to Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 2: Man, come, but you know what I mean, Like I
Speaker 2: think he has I think he may have that in
Speaker 2: his mind, like he said he's gonna go so hard
Speaker 2: this time that maybe he can win. Because that's the
Speaker 2: one thing we've said, whoever, the person with the most
Speaker 2: interesting chance is whoever can go the hardest that Trump.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and none of them can do that, Christy. Maybe
Speaker 1: people are theorizing he can. He cannot. He is not
Speaker 1: built for it. But yeah, I mean, like the idea
Speaker 1: that he will come in in the debate and like
Speaker 1: take Trump down a notcher two is ridiculous because like
Speaker 1: you know, the hit Trump supporters are not waiting for
Speaker 1: the right piece of information to be revealed to then
Speaker 1: like be like, oh, I guess we were wrong, Like
Speaker 1: that that's not the thing. But I don't doubt that
Speaker 1: that could be like something that other candidates are hoping
Speaker 1: will happen, because we've seen like misguided strategy political strategies
Speaker 1: all the time. But the thing that makes it makes
Speaker 1: me highly skeptical that he is like basically lead blocker
Speaker 1: for DeSantis, Pence, Haley and others is that, like that
Speaker 1: is just not how narcissistic megalomaniacs operate. Like he is
Speaker 1: not doing this because he thinks it will benefit somebody else.
Speaker 1: He is doing it because he thinks it will benefit him,
Speaker 1: because he thinks he has an outside chance.
Speaker 4: I'm sure maybe maybe he'll get Rick Santaurum's chair on
Speaker 4: CNN as the award for his.
Speaker 1: And he's already on CNN. He already has everything want.
Speaker 4: You must have to wonder that. I mean what I mean,
Speaker 4: I guess he's going to raise some money. I mean
Speaker 4: it's this entirely quickxotic decision where they come from. And
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, the idea of him, well there's already
Speaker 4: what you might in this scenario isn't very It looks
Speaker 4: like there's a gigantic super pack already sent set up
Speaker 4: for him. So there's clearly the donor class thinks there's
Speaker 4: something about him running that could help. I don't know
Speaker 4: in what way, But I don't know. I mean, like
Speaker 4: I would, I don't know, it'd be interesting. I'm curious
Speaker 4: to see if anyone has what it takes to get
Speaker 4: Trump like a little bit frazzled with their like rhetorical
Speaker 4: style like Trump does with his, Like I don't know,
Speaker 4: Like if you're if Chris Christy was a super like
Speaker 4: sarcastic on a debate stage with that helped He's like, yeah, Donald, that's.
Speaker 1: A really good idea, guy, Like what does that do?
Speaker 2: Like versus Donald Trump is an Unamerican tyrant doing that
Speaker 2: kind of thing, like trying to be like speaking truth
Speaker 2: to power. I don't know. I feel like you have
Speaker 2: to be like yeah, yeah, yeah, sure you baby, like
Speaker 2: take it, take the discourse there.
Speaker 1: But there there are probably people who would be successful
Speaker 1: at that. There probably not career politicians.
Speaker 2: No, no, I mean that would be that'd be a
Speaker 2: fun thing to be a plant, just to like flow
Speaker 2: up the debate stage every time. Anyway, uh, Koch Brothers,
Speaker 2: if you're interested, I'm willing to offer my services to
Speaker 2: debase myself on a debate stage.
Speaker 1: There you go. All right, Well, it's been such a
Speaker 1: pleasure having you on the daily Zeitgeist. Where can people
Speaker 1: find you? Follow you, hear you all that good stuff?
Speaker 4: Well, I got a Twitter at oswal Oshin and the
Speaker 4: podcast is called Silence the Radio Murders, which you can
Speaker 4: find wherever you get your podcasts, including of course the
Speaker 4: iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2: Of course where we all of course I should download that.
Speaker 4: Actually, thank you so much for having me back on
Speaker 4: the show.
Speaker 1: Thanks for doing it.
Speaker 4: It was a pleasure.
Speaker 1: Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm not sure if you followed the radio lab
Speaker 4: guy Latif NASA's tweet thread about the Afghan viadinist It
Speaker 4: was about a month ago, but basically he got asked
Speaker 4: to bring a violin from the east coast to the
Speaker 4: west coast to give to this Afghan guy. And the
Speaker 4: guy was kind of hard to pin down, and the
Speaker 4: thief was annoyed with him, but finally they met up,
Speaker 4: and he then realized when they met up, like why
Speaker 4: he was hard to pin down because he was working like,
Speaker 4: you know, four jobs and didn't have you know, some
Speaker 4: of the right sell contract or whatever it was. But
Speaker 4: he gave him the violin and turned out the guy
Speaker 4: had been one of the violinists on Afghan Star, which
Speaker 4: was Afghanistan's answer to American Idol until the Taliban came
Speaker 4: back in twenty twenty one. And now this guy has
Speaker 4: the violin. And not only that, I think the thief
Speaker 4: organized this big campaign to raise funds to basically relaunch
Speaker 4: the guy's music career in the US, which is very
Speaker 4: heartwarming and actually one of our next shows about it
Speaker 4: at Kaleidscope is called Afghan Star, and it's all about
Speaker 4: kind of what happened to the producers and singers from
Speaker 4: that show, many of for him are now living in Istanbul.
Speaker 4: So it's an amazing story, obviously a sad one, but also
Speaker 4: kind of uplifting that this this music still provides some community.
Speaker 4: And so you know, you never know when you're out
Speaker 4: and about in wherever you live, you know who who
Speaker 4: the person working at the mall or the uber driver
Speaker 4: and what their story might be. And so yeah, I was.
Speaker 4: I was very cheered by by that one. And and
Speaker 4: just you know, the idea of the power of music.
Speaker 4: You know, you have to make you forget or or
Speaker 4: you wear diapers when you're listening to it. But but
Speaker 4: but I was. I thought that was very moving, and
Speaker 4: I came across on Twitter, so shout out Tolan.
Speaker 1: What if there was just a piece of music that
Speaker 1: was so good that it made everybody so immediately.
Speaker 2: That's that's no peace on Earth. I think that is
Speaker 2: the dawning of the age of Aquarius. Actually, Miles, where
Speaker 2: can people find you? What is the work of media
Speaker 2: you've been enjoying? Find me at Miles of Gray, where
Speaker 2: they got at Symbols, Find Jack and I Miles and
Speaker 2: Jack Got Mad. Boostis if you like the NBA talk
Speaker 2: where we do that and if you like to hear
Speaker 2: trash reality talk, I do that with Sophie Alexandra on
Speaker 2: four to twenty Day Fiance let's see, I don't really
Speaker 2: have any tweets that I've liked recently, but I will
Speaker 2: say I just started watching the new season of the
Speaker 2: Other Two, and that's it. It's been bringing a smile
Speaker 2: to my face. I'm only one episode in, but I'm
Speaker 2: already it's just so fucking good man.
Speaker 1: That show is great. So I really am enjoying season
Speaker 1: three of I Think you Should Leave What's s Trapped.
Speaker 2: Yesterday, I'm like, I have a pact with like two friends,
Speaker 2: like are we gonna watch together? If, like I haven't
Speaker 2: done this kind of shit since I was a child,
Speaker 2: or like maybe in college.
Speaker 1: They'll be like, yeah, we're watching it together. I just
Speaker 1: I needed it. Yesterday. I just locked myself in my
Speaker 1: office and watched it for like an hour and a
Speaker 1: half and it.
Speaker 2: Was great, just just choking back, like all the laughter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, all good. I'd like to do that. Yeah, Miles,
Speaker 1: we see them. What I Think You Should Leave does
Speaker 1: to me in public, It's not dissimilar to the Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift thing. Not really tweet I've been in Jamie Loftus
Speaker 1: at Jamie Loftus helped tweet it. My algebra two teacher
Speaker 1: has found my book about hot dogs again. Her book
Speaker 1: Raw Dog, The Naked Truth about hot Dogs came out
Speaker 1: last week, and she screencapped this message, speak your piece.
Speaker 1: Saw a piece of you in the Week magazine. I
Speaker 1: had you as a math student at Brockton. Great to
Speaker 1: see you doing well. Congratulations. My ask Colin what the
Speaker 1: importance of math into your work? It is a big ask,
Speaker 1: but people need to hear the message. Hope you are well.
Speaker 1: If you have ever had a teacher who you know
Speaker 1: you didn't like or who made you feel badly about yourself,
Speaker 1: just understand they're probably like socially maladapted weirdo who you
Speaker 1: know would go on social media and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: could you make your next book about math the thing
Speaker 1: that I taught you?
Speaker 2: But then it like dums me out because you know,
Speaker 2: like how like whatever that teacher is up against the
Speaker 2: kids just don't give a fuck about math no more?
Speaker 2: Can you put it in your hot dog book?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Instead of hot dogs, how about some hot math problems?
Speaker 2: How about some hot log orythms hot logs?
Speaker 1: And then this was the tweet that I think I
Speaker 1: was referencing yesterday or on a recent episode, uh Luke
Speaker 1: at Luke O'Neill forty seven tweeted smoking is a gross,
Speaker 1: deadly Habit wouldn't recommend it at all. I nonetheless do it,
Speaker 1: and it rules. That said, it is honestly shocking that
Speaker 1: the anti smoking campaigns of twenty plus years ago actually
Speaker 1: worked in the US. Don't think they would if started
Speaker 1: now real under the wire shit there it is. It's
Speaker 1: just crazy how much that And I don't think, like
Speaker 1: OZ when you go back to Europe, like, is how
Speaker 1: much more prevalent is smoking there than it is in
Speaker 1: the US.
Speaker 4: It's wild. I mean, especially in France, it's.
Speaker 2: Like everyone's it's still the eighties there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's still the eighties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 4: I kind of mention I was genuine I was there
Speaker 4: quite recently. I was genuinely puzzling this very thing. It's like,
Speaker 4: how can every young person just smoke the whole time here?
Speaker 4: Is bizarre? But they do.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyways, it worked, those campaigns worked. I guess maybe
Speaker 1: that's why Americans are so miserable. You can find me
Speaker 1: on Twitter at That's not the reason. By the way,
Speaker 1: don't start to can find me on Twitter at Jack
Speaker 1: Underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at daily Zeikeeist,
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Speaker 1: where we post our episodes and our footnotes when we
Speaker 1: link off to the information that we talked about today's episode,
Speaker 1: as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Myles,
Speaker 1: what is the song? But you think people might enjoy it? Oh?
Speaker 2: Man, let's go out on this track by a Australian
Speaker 2: producer called I Think I have that right? Yeah QO?
Speaker 1: Are you uh?
Speaker 2: And yeah? I worked with some other like kind of
Speaker 2: like more underground wrappers that I had heard of, like
Speaker 2: making beats for them and then I said, oh, let
Speaker 2: me see what they're so so low beat making work
Speaker 2: is like. And this track is called Rest off an
Speaker 2: album called Intoxicated or it's like a sort of mixtape
Speaker 2: kind of thing. There's also like a remix to a
Speaker 2: Butterfly by Crazy Town, like he's sampling Butterfly by Crazy
Speaker 2: Down it kind of an interesting way.
Speaker 1: But anyway, this track is called rest by col ru Qo.
Speaker 2: Are you check it out?
Speaker 1: There?
Speaker 3: You go?
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Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for us this morning, back this
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Speaker 1: you all then. Bye bye,