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Speaker 1: Ron An aian if I said to you, hey, you

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Speaker 1: my check engine lights on, I plug in, I connect,

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Speaker 2: You're moving into a land of both shadow and substance

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Speaker 3: I got a toad like transmission in part this like that.

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Speaker 4: This is a manual transmission.

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Speaker 1: Got to remember now this is an EG four engine

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the radio home of Ron Anian, the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 2: Since nineteen ninety one, this is where car owners the

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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome, I'm on an EDI and the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 1: It's Ron at Cardoctorshow dot com. I thought we'd start

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Speaker 1: You've got to use all the information in front of you.

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Speaker 1: And it may not be a one day process. It

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Speaker 4: Hello and welcome.

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Speaker 1: Ronin Andi and the Card Doctor here at eight five

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Speaker 1: That's what this radio show is all about. And I

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Speaker 1: suggest why don't we scan it for codes now and

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Speaker 1: I'll come back in two weeks and see what fault

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Speaker 1: comes back if they're stumped and they can't solve it

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Speaker 1: on their own. Speaking of solving it on their own,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna kick open the garage doors as soon as

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Speaker 1: the Car Doctor returns. So we're down on the side.

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Speaker 1: Don't go away.

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Speaker 5: Off the streets over run away are street?

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Speaker 1: Hey? Hey, welcome back, ron Any and the Card Doctor

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Speaker 1: here at eight five five five six on nine nine

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Speaker 1: zeros er real quick, Hey, tom yo, listen. I just

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Speaker 1: want to make sure that I've got this right. Santa

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Speaker 1: is coming today, isn't he?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 5: Last I knew he was. Now the elves told me.

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Speaker 5: It's a real busy time of year for him, and

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Speaker 5: they haven't sent me confirmation that he's taken off yet.

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Speaker 5: But he's supposed to be here sometime a little bit

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Speaker 1: Well, rumor has it, because he's bringing with us out

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Speaker 1: of the holiday gift closet a Passport Max two for

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Speaker 1: us to give away from the folks at Escort.

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Speaker 5: Oh, that's what he's supposed to have in this sleigh.

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Speaker 5: And I really hope he shows up because I'd hate

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Speaker 1: Chances are he'll get here quick because he's got radar protection.

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Speaker 1: All right, Tom, Thanks, I appreciate it. Let's get over

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Speaker 1: talk to Kelly and Nebraska, two thousand and six Nissan Titan. Hi, Kelly,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Card Doctor. How can I help?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got the son I just purchased, and I

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Speaker 4: want to put a leveling kid on it to bring

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Speaker 4: kid I'm looking at it's basically just facers or the struts.

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Speaker 4: Is there issues I'm going to run into If I

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Speaker 4: use a kit like that, it's going to raise it

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Speaker 4: about an inch and a half to two inches on

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Speaker 1: So when you say a spacer for the strut, is

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Speaker 1: basically okay, it's not an extension from underneath. It's not

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Speaker 4: No, you disconnect the strut on the top and there

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Speaker 4: you put a spacer in there at.

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Speaker 1: The top and bolted background bolt and the spacer bolts, right, gotcha. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I've seen it done that way. It's fine.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: Obviously it depends on the quality of the kit, which

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Speaker 1: I don't have to talk about that here. I think

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Speaker 1: that's common sense. You know, We've got to talk a

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Speaker 1: because we're surely going to affect that. So we've got

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Speaker 1: to be prepared to do that. At one hundred and

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Speaker 1: But other than that, I've got no qualms with it.

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Speaker 1: You know, is it that? And the only other question

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Speaker 1: I've got is it that the springs themselves have sagged

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Speaker 4: Now, I'm trying to level it from where it was

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Speaker 4: at the factory, right, Okay, this year the front end

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Speaker 4: want to bring that front end up. I do some

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Speaker 4: about dragging the bottle. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, I have no qualms with that. And you know,

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Speaker 1: like I said, alignment and how the tires are going

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Speaker 1: the name of your kit and you'll find somebody that's

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Speaker 1: done it before you to see what sort of complications

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Speaker 4: All right, very good, All right, sir, all right, thank you,

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Speaker 4: you're very welcome.

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Speaker 1: Kelly, thanks for listening, and let's get over and talk

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Speaker 1: to Gary Lansing, Michigan. Two thousand BMW. Gary, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the car doctor. How can I help?

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's a two housing BMW. You've got nine eight

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars on it, right two point three engine, right three.

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Speaker 3: What it's doing is when it's cold out it sounded

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Speaker 3: like a backfire and through the cylinders, and when it

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Speaker 1: Okay, so when it warms up it runs normal. When

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Speaker 1: it's cold. When you say backfire through the cylinder where

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Speaker 1: you're hearing it, Gary, out the tailpiper out, the intake

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Speaker 3: Housing, oh satarically is coming out of the uh like

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Speaker 1: Okay, the intake all right, So and then once it

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Speaker 1: Anybody try to diagnose this so far?

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Speaker 3: There's no codes on it?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well who pulled codes? And how did they try

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I really couldn't tell you.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know, did they just look at

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Speaker 1: Was it a BMW dealer? Was it a repair shop?

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Speaker 3: I was the dealer where she got the car from.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and what they tell her the fault was, because

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Speaker 1: I'm sure no dealer.

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Speaker 3: Is gonna pull nothing came up on it. They did show.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but you know what did they make a recommendation

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Speaker 1: for as the next direction? They can't say, you know,

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Speaker 1: we don't know. I mean, they're the dealer. They've got

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Speaker 1: to have some suggestions. I know where I would take this.

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious to know what they said. But they

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Speaker 1: couple of things I would look at. Number one, I

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Speaker 1: engine is running. When the fault occurs, bring it up

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Speaker 1: on data stream, watch it as it warms up. What

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Speaker 1: looks like it's out of step, Just like I talked

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Speaker 1: about in the beginning of the show the Toyota Corolla,

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Speaker 1: the things were out of step and it You know,

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Speaker 1: sometimes it takes a week or two of gathering information

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Speaker 1: Number two depending upon how they scanned for codes. All right,

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Speaker 1: if they scanned OBD only, OBD two only, they may

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Speaker 1: and look at vehicle manufacturers specific you need to right

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Speaker 1: well now. And you're saying that as if you know

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Speaker 1: back to whoever scanned it, how was it scanned. Just

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Speaker 1: because it's engine lights not on doesn't mean there are

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Speaker 1: no faults in the system. It means the fault hasn't

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Speaker 1: hard code. So bottom line, got to go back to

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Speaker 1: a full system scan using manufacturer specific information. Take a

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Speaker 1: look at Mode six data, does anything come up like

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Speaker 1: it's failing? And last, it sounds to me like you've

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Speaker 1: got carbon deposits on the intake valves, and perhaps they're

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Speaker 1: sticking and causing a misfire issue only when it's cold.

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Speaker 1: You may want to think about doing some carbon clean

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Speaker 1: try those things. Give me a call back. Hey, Coming

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Speaker 1: up next, Paul Marshall and All Data, All the latest

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Speaker 1: and greatest. I'm running any in the car Doctor, don't

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Speaker 1: go away.