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Speaker 1: Eighteen, there's only there's three left according to his tweet,

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Speaker 1: we're down to three. I'm like, that's actually surprising that

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Speaker 1: I know this didn't used to be early in the

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Speaker 2: This has to be early in the off season because

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of the three teams. I'm trying

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Speaker 1: You got to play the game where you go down

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Speaker 1: the line right like it's now the Cubs have signed

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Speaker 1: some relievers, including philm Mayton. Oh, just go down the line. Yeah, Like,

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Speaker 1: The Washington Nationals. The Marlins signed Morel and I think

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Speaker 1: Just in terms of not taking up forty minutes on this,

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Speaker 3: Red Sox the Red Sox, Red Sox, they made some trades.

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Speaker 3: I think you nailed it, didn't you say the Mariners

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Speaker 3: They're waiting for the football season to be over. That's

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Speaker 1: No, they're meeting new people. They're like, right, that's true.

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Speaker 1: Kevin. A team that you recently spent some time with,

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Speaker 2: velocity was down, his max velocity not even telling his

435
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 2: average velocities. Max velocity he could throw a baseball was

436
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 2: down two miles an hour. So you know, when you're

437
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 2: at an elite level earlier in your career, how are

438
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 2: you ever going to get back to that? Then you're like,

439
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 2: wait a minute, I got to work out for twelve months.

440
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,919
Speaker 2: I got to miss my son who just committed. I

441
00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 2: think he's going to University of California, San Diego or something.

442
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 2: I'm not sure exactly which, but he just committed to play.

443
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 2: So there's more things that are involved in that than

444
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 2: just oh, I'm gonna get eighteen million dollars, I'm gonna

445
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 2: get twenty two million dollars, which is a ridiculous thing

446
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 2: to say to ninety nine point ninety nine nine percent

447
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 2: of the population.

448
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 1: Okay, and then Padres fans are like, what does this mean?

449
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 1: Do we save money? Does this help us? Because it

450
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: sounds like from our conversations with Ken and from reading others,

451
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 1: the Padres aren't going to be the ownership forcing a

452
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 1: j preller to just dump payroll left and right. But

453
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 1: it's going to stay at a similar rate, if not

454
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 1: come down to drop. Also, it's going to add up

455
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 1: with some of the long term contracts that I think

456
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,199
Speaker 1: get higher as they go. So what do you think

457
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: ap for San Diego Padres fans. I mean, it's not

458
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: going to save any money this coming season. I think

459
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 1: we should lay that part out twenty twenty six. He

460
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 1: is out for the year. He's getting paid, He's getting

461
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 1: paid to rehab. That's just how it works. Could it

462
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 1: save them money in twenty seven or twenty eight, Yeah, maybe.

463
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, it certainly could if that's how he decides to,

464
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 3: you know, go out in his career. Obviously, he has

465
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 3: a ethical responsibility to show up if he is healthy

466
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 3: or if he is still rehaving if he completes, and

467
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 3: the team obviously documents this for people at home listening.

468
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 3: He's going to go through his rehab process with the team.

469
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 3: He is going to have to check all these boxes.

470
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 3: He's going to have to get off a mound, He's

471
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 3: going to have to go on a rehab assignment. Once

472
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 3: that is all completed and he is healthy to perform,

473
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 3: and he decides that he does not want to perform anymore,

474
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 3: he is going to have to make a decision to

475
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 3: He's going to have a decision to make, which is

476
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 3: going to come with him forfeiting the rest of his money.

477
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 3: He's going to have to retire. The team is going

478
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 3: to save money. But I mean that's still a year away,

479
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 3: so there is a chance that the padres on the

480
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 3: back end of this contract, which to a lot of

481
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 3: people thought was a little bit crazy given his age

482
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,360
Speaker 3: when he signed this extension. But you know there could

483
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 3: be a silver line for Padres fans that they may

484
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 3: be saving a good amount of money in a year

485
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 3: from now.

486
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: Jay Farrell and the Chat said he took the long

487
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: deal to help the Padres out and keep the AAV down.

488
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: He should get every dollar he's owed. I know you

489
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 1: guys usually feel that way, but I will also say,

490
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: when you sign those deals on the other side, you

491
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 1: got to play through the deal. Right, We've seen some

492
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: of these deals ten years, twelve years. If you get hurt,

493
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: that's one thing, but otherwise you got to play through

494
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: the deal kratz. And if not, then you do give

495
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: money back. That's how this works. It's not like, oh, well,

496
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 1: you know what, I helped them out on the short

497
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: and plus I got to look at what the number

498
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 1: is and don't have my computer today, so I'm a

499
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: little born limited. But if you evaluate this contract and

500
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: how much U's been hurt and now it's going to

501
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: miss more time, it's a bad contract for the Padres.

502
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 2: This was an extension. This was an extension that he

503
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 2: had signed. But yeah, I mean it's it's not an

504
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 2: and that's why I think possibly there could be some insurance,

505
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 2: which could save the Zeidler family or the trust a

506
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 2: little bit of money. But I mean he's owed sixteen

507
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 2: in the next successive years, sixteen, fifteen, and fifteen.

508
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 4: So yeah, it stinks.

509
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: But one other thing, you're talking about it, and maybe

510
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 2: we'll ask him next time he comes along. We'll probably

511
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 2: have more pressing matters. But Buster posey. I remember playing

512
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 2: with him in nineteen and you and I were both

513
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 2: there at KP and Buster looked to Evan Longoria and

514
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 2: he goes.

515
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 4: You got five more years on your contract. He's like,

516
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 4: that would be brutal.

517
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 2: He just wanted to play to a certain extent because

518
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: he wanted to be home with his family. He wanted

519
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 2: to move on to the next thing. And I don't

520
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 2: think people necessarily understand that, because I think then Buster

521
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: sat out twenty twenty because of COVID twenty one. He

522
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 2: signed his one year deal, and I assume they went

523
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 2: to him because he had a mass of year that year.

524
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 2: When they went to Crawford, who signed a two year extension,

525
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: and I'm assuming he probably declined it. It was like, no,

526
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 2: I'm good, Like some guys are good to be done.

527
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 2: It's okay to be done and not be shackled by

528
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 2: the fact that you have an obligation to keep playing.

529
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. The obvious example being brought up here by

530
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: mgr in the chat, Mjr. Did Rendon play through the deal? Well,

531
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: it sounds like they're going to figure something out for

532
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: this coming season and he's a tricky case. Yeah, it's different. Different,

533
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: it is different. This is very different. But it's different.

534
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 3: This is different because at the end of this deal

535
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 3: where we're talking about, at the end of this rehab process,

536
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 3: he's going to have a choice to make you darvish

537
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 3: and if he wants to give that money back by

538
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 3: saying I don't want to play anymore, he's going to

539
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 3: give the money back. There's there's a difference in and

540
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 3: you have to respect what Kratzy is saying. He understands

541
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 3: that he might not ever be a lead again, and

542
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 3: he doesn't want to pitch at not being elite anymore.

543
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 3: So if he decides to go home and give the

544
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 3: money back, that's that's one thing. I think it's worse

545
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 3: for him to just check the boxes and go out

546
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 3: there and be a way less version of himself and

547
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 3: just going out and collecting a paycheck. So if he

548
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 3: wants to give the money back, go give the money back.

549
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 3: You know, like Kratzy said, we are humans, we have families,

550
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 3: we have our priorities change, and yes, you do have

551
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 3: a responsibility to kind of honor that contract. But if

552
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 3: you can get out of that contract by not receiving

553
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,239
Speaker 3: the money, then who's upset about it.

554
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: He's made plenty of money, so he's gonna be okay. Yeah.

555
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: On the Padres side, I mean, I don't think it's

556
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,479
Speaker 1: going to change much in terms of plans for them

557
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: this coming season. Some Padres fans are probably like, no,

558
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: don't trade Nick Pivetta. Why is he even in a conversation,

559
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: And I agree with that. I mean, Nick Pivetta had

560
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: a banger year and he's always a guy that you

561
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: were watching and thinking that he could find another gear.

562
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: It goes back to our combo we had with Ken

563
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: about the national sinking they've got another gear with their

564
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: crew coming in to try and boost some of their players.

565
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: You didn't feel that way, krats I felt that way.

566
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: You think it's more of an anomaly year, or do

567
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 1: you think that they helped him unlock something and he

568
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: might have a nice little run here for the next

569
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: couple of years. I just think I don't know. I mean,

570
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't trade him, is my point. And I don't

571
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: think whatever Darbish does has any idea or has any

572
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: correlation to this, because you're not going to know what

573
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: Darvish is doing for a while.

574
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 4: I think it's a lottery ticket.

575
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: I think if they cash in Nick Pavetta because of

576
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: what they I think there's a lot of value there

577
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: because they only paid him five million dollars maybe four

578
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: million dollars last year, because of how they they staggered

579
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 2: or loaded that.

580
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 4: Contract it was.

581
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 2: I think I think it's a lottery ticket that there

582
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: might be another Nick Pavetta out there.

583
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 4: What do they see in like a Luise Heel, what

584
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 4: do they see?

585
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: I just use that name because you have to trade

586
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: him to a team that's willing to pay a starting

587
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: pitcher for the next four years on this contract. There's

588
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: a lottery ticket and maybe this is a chance to say,

589
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: you know what, we see this value in somebody else

590
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: that we just saw the league was undervaluing in Paveta,

591
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: and that's how we got that contract.

592
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: I think Paveta's situation was the qualifying offer Okay, I

593
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: mean there's someone else that has really hard for that. No,

594
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: you're right, You're right, I know. I'm just saying that's

595
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: where they find value, is they go, Okay, all these

596
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: teams are avoiding this guy because he's not a star

597
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: free agent available last year and he's got the pick

598
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: attachment and teams don't want to give that up. And

599
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: I also do think that ultimately the league is trying

600
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: to get rid of the compick for a significant trade

601
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: off like the International Draft that's getting into CVA talks.

602
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: So players have consistently been getting punished with the qualifying offer,

603
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: and I think examples are being made so that they

604
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: can use that. It's one of their best bargaining chips.

605
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: Just giving you inside baseball and what's going on with

606
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: that world a corner. We had two moves while we've

607
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: been on the show. I'm going to start with the

608
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: most recent one because he's been on our show, and

609
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: I think it's for more money one year, five and

610
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: a half million bucks for Foster Griffin. Do you remember

611
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: the conversation Kratz was it AJ that day? Was a

612
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: KP who was on.

613
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 4: That was agent Foster Griffin? Was a whatever over the

614
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 4: school is that he sends his kid to so for Foster.

615
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, one year, five and a half million bucks, comes

616
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: from overseas, has a ton of pitches, seems like a

617
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: great dude. This is something that's been more prominent lately.

618
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: And it's not just oh, there's just one guy coming over.

619
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Speaker 1: I remember when it was Miles Michael list and he

620
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: went to winter meetings and he's meeting with everyone about

621
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: all the changes he made. This is happening more frequently.

622
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: I mean, this year really getting a ton. There's there's

623
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: names we're getting to know, Michael Weiss, who was just

624
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: on crush shitty Territory if you want to hear his story.

625
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: But Foster specific three seasons in Japan, Ryan Weiss, is

626
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: it Ryan Weiss? Yeah, Ryan Weiss. And there are a

627
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: number of others, Anthony Ka who signs with the White Sox.

628
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: White Sox have signed Eric Fetty, guys coming from the

629
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: KBO Korea or MPB in Japan. And for Foster, he

630
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: actually knocks the Nationals off our list. And now we're

631
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,479
Speaker 1: down to two teams that haven't signed major league free

632
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: agents already, and we're not even in twenty twenty six yet.

633
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: But KP. Seems like it makes sense for the Nats.

634
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: Are they going to be playoff contenders? Not likely, But

635
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: if there's a good year, this is a good flip

636
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: over to a contender.

637
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I love it. I just wish that

638
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 3: were there was a I wish there was somewhere. And

639
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 3: obviously you can go overseas as a position player, but

640
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 3: it doesn't really kind of change your stock, your value,

641
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 3: your stock, you know. I love that it's happening for

642
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 3: players that maybe run into a little bit of a

643
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 3: tough time here in the States. You know, you're bouncing

644
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 3: around from minor league team the minor league team. You

645
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 3: got a chance to go overseas and kind of make

646
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 3: some real money for your family, and sometimes you figure

647
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 3: it out, you find something you get away from, you know,

648
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 3: maybe the pressure and stress of trying to make it

649
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 3: to the big leagues and maybe you learn some different grips,

650
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,479
Speaker 3: or you're just around some different people and it finally

651
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 3: clicks for you. So I love that pictures or they

652
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 3: have that option to go overseas, make some money for

653
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Speaker 3: their family, kind of reinvent themselves and then get a

654
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 3: chance to come back here and actually cash in we're

655
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 3: seeing multiple year deals. Me and the Blue Jays signed

656
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: Ponts for thirty million dollars and that's out of the KBO.

657
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 3: So I just hope that eventually it will catch up.

658
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: For the position player side, where you know you're bouncing

659
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Speaker 3: around in the minor leagues, you're not making a ton

660
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Speaker 3: of money. You get a chance to go to you know,

661
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Speaker 3: Korea or Japan, and they kind of value the adjustments

662
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Speaker 3: that maybe hitters make similar to pictures.

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Speaker 1: I'll say this technology helps a ton. This is going

664
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Speaker 1: to relate to our next segment. Technology helps a ton. Here,

665
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: why you're not just no, I'll tell you why. Krats.

666
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: In my mind, teams are trusting players like this to

667
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: bring them over and give them real money more so

668
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: than before because they can try and grade pitches better.

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Speaker 1: This is one of those spots where I do think

670
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Speaker 1: it's effective. When we talked to Dylan Sees the other

671
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Speaker 1: day and he's saying, how you can't just go off

672
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: of stuff plus slider score since it could be a

673
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: more exposed pitch if he changes the way he's opening

674
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Speaker 1: up right. We can get into all that, but just

675
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: from a pure quality standpoint on a pitch, I do

676
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: think the tech helps here because it's hard to project

677
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Speaker 1: how a guy is going to look. When he's been

678
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: in the States, he hasn't necessarily performed well. He goes overseas,

679
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: he looks like a stud. Sometimes some of those studs

680
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: are great, sometimes they're not, and they're at least able

681
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: to say, hey, this pitch changed a ton. It's not

682
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: just Felo, it's shape. He figured it out, and now

683
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: this is a more effective pitch. Sure you can look

684
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: at results, but I do think it helps to have

685
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: a little bit more behind it for them to say, now,

686
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: for Foster, okay, this is a quality cutter, and he's

687
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: got a change up that has really emerged that we

688
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: think has very similar characteristics to pitches we see in

689
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: the majors, and it can be successful there.

690
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: This is exactly what's KP was talking about too. It's

691
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: all in the pitchers. It's the only sport where the

692
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 2: defense has the ball. Like, there's nothing that's affecting a

693
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: pitch shape other than the pitcher. The position player value

694
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: going over there right now is all watered down. We

695
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: just heard about it with Morikami. Morikami legitimately has eighty power.

696
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: I've seen this guy hit the ball in VP far

697
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 2: as far, if not farther than anybody that I've seen

698
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,439
Speaker 2: just in batting practice. But what's the first thing they're

699
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: gonna do, M velocity. You're not consistently facing this so

700
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: right now, exactly what you're saying, Scott, Yes, it's helping pitchers,

701
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 2: exactly what KP is saying.

702
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 4: It's not quite helping hitters yet. You know the last

703
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 4: this guy.

704
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 2: That really went over there and truly cashed back in here,

705
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: Eric Dames. Eric Dames went to Korea and was I'm

706
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: not sure if he was fifty to fifty, but I

707
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: know he was forty forty. I mean he had video

708
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 2: game he had video game arms, but he had video

709
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: game numbers over in Korea and was an absolute legend

710
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 2: over there. But it's just hard for position players to

711
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 2: go over there and get that value to come back.

712
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: It just hasn't happened yet. There will be a team

713
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Speaker 2: that will find that value for sure at some point.

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Speaker 1: Next up, we have Caleb Thielbar agreeing to a deal

715
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Speaker 1: with the Chicago Cubs. Spending and physical so the Cubs

716
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Speaker 1: keep building their bullpen back up. I like this cub

717
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: spending on some quality relievers, crats. You know Caleb.

718
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, we.

719
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: Played together in twenty nineteen Team USA. He was currently

720
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Speaker 2: at the time, he was recruiting for a college in

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Speaker 2: I think North Dakota. That's what his job was. We

722
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: went to Arizona to play against some college teams to

723
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: kind of prep for Team USA. Then we went down

724
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Speaker 2: to Mexico. He went on some recruiting trips down in

725
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Speaker 2: Arizona to try to get some kids to come to

726
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Speaker 2: his college up in North I think North Dakota. I'm

727
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 2: not sure why I'm thinking North Dakota, but it was

728
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,479
Speaker 2: something crazy like that. And now look at him. He's

729
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: he was done. He was legitimately done on his accord,

730
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Speaker 2: he had a baby coming, his wife was a is

731
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Speaker 2: a college softball coach, and now he has made some cash.

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Speaker 4: And he is a.

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Speaker 2: Very quality not just left on left reliever because he

734
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: throws that curveball from the upper deck.

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Speaker 1: K B. Did you face him?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I faced him. I mean, you know, he's typically

737
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 3: the guy that's gonna come in to face a left

738
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Speaker 3: handed batter and a guy like me who when I played,

739
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 3: is the guy who gets tapped on his shoulder and says,

740
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 3: go get him. And it's not a comfortable at that

741
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 3: because it's an elite curveball, the sneaky fastball. But it's

742
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Speaker 3: a great signing he had. He had a nice year

743
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Speaker 3: last year, and you know the Cubs made the Cubs

744
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 3: made a nice run last year, so they're bringing back

745
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 3: some of the pieces that they had last year.

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Speaker 2: Scotty, you'll love this kind of good against both He's

747
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: he's always gonna be. You know, they're gonna think he's

748
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: left on left. But when the Twins unlock the fact

749
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: that he throws that fastball. Some years he's touched ninety seven.

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00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 2: Normally he's like a ninety five ninety three guy. But

751
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 2: he ran he starts running that fastball in. It's just

752
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 2: too hard. It's too hard for a guy like kp

753
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,479
Speaker 2: who handles that ball in and clips him out front

754
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: to then say, oh, I'm gonna wait back on that curveball.

755
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: I mean his numbers, his numbers batting average against against

756
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 2: lefties one fifty eight. I gotta make sure, yeah, last

757
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: year one fifty eight against against righty's two to oh

758
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 2: five ops against rightyes, five eighty eight. So it's not

759
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 2: just a left on left. But teams have implemented that,

760
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 2: and he's able to get out there, stay out there

761
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: and get his three outs or get that fourth out.

762
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 2: If you know a team, stacks are left right, left,

763
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: right left.

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Speaker 1: I like it. And the Cubs are spending money to

765
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: build the bullpen right back up right because they had

766
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Speaker 1: quite a few free agents, and they didn't keep Kittridge.

767
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: Remember they sent him back to the Orioles. But Polenty

768
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: was great for them most of last year. They just

769
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Speaker 1: signed Mayton. Recently they signed field Bar today. I like

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Speaker 1: the potential of porter Hart Porter Hodge, who's twenty four

771
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Speaker 1: years old, who had ups and downs. He's great in

772
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 1: the beginning and then but yeah, I think most people

773
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: are anticipating good things from him. He's nasty Holby miner

774
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: who gives you a completely different look. And I like

775
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Speaker 1: Ben Brown out of the bullpen can give you multiple

776
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 1: innings like this is this solid bullpen.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I'm confirming Kratzy. South Dakota State University. So you

778
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Speaker 3: were you were in the right region. You're in the

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Speaker 3: right region South Dakota.

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Speaker 4: North Dakota is not.

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Speaker 2: South Dakota is actually less inhabited, I think than North Dakota,

782
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Speaker 2: is what I've heard like there's a larger there's a

783
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 2: larger city in North Dakota. But either way, it was

784
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Speaker 2: in the middle of nowhere, and it was the craziest

785
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 2: time I've never played with somebody who was doing recruiting

786
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 2: trips at night in the middle of our in the

787
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 2: middle of our prep to go play in Guadalajara, Mexico.

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Speaker 1: Do people from North Dakota or vice versa for people

789
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Speaker 1: from South Dakota get pissed if you mess up to Dakota.

790
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: Oh sure, it just said North Dakota. It's South Dakota.

791
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 2: Come on, I'm sure they get pissed. I'm sure they

792
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 2: get pissed because think about it. Talk to somebody from

793
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: North Carolina and be like, oh, you're from South Carolina. Huh.

794
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: They're like, what it's like Virginia and West Virginia. Like

795
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: I would tell people I lived on the western side

796
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: of Virginia, like right near the border of West Virginia.

797
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 2: Like here's Eric Kratz from West Virginia. And I'd be like, whoa,

798
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 2: so each it's like no, no, no, no, like we're

799
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: not because north people from North Dakota say that birds

800
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Speaker 2: fly upside down in South Carolina and South Dakota. There's

801
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 2: nothing good enough to poop on in South In South.

802
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: Dakota, Hey, South Dakota is offended though, because they actually

803
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: have a higher population. It seems like they're at nine

804
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: hundred thousand ish according to recent estimates, and North Dakota's

805
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: around eight hundred thousand. I would love to hear from

806
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Speaker 1: an FT fan from one of those spots and let

807
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: us know if you get offended. If someone's like, oh,

808
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: you're from South Dakota, You're like, yeah, I'm not from

809
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 1: South Dakota. South Dakota from North Data.

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00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 4: That's weird, bro, it's hot down there.

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Speaker 1: The South.

812
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 4: Come on.

813
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: Right. Two things on our way out, one krats hats,

814
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: and then I promise everyone should stick around for an

815
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: extra minute after that for an Edwin Diaz quote.

816
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 4: Nice best color hat in a game.

817
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: I know the Mariners have a similar one for their

818
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 2: spring training, but I think there's the best logo color

819
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 2: hat in a game.

820
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 4: How to wear it?

821
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: For Mikey coming on the show, who was one of

822
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: my favorite interviews in the last few weeks.

823
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: Soroku's great, he's so well spoken. And then lastly, do

824
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: we have the tweet there's a bunch of quote action

825
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 1: coming out of Edwin Diaz and his comments on how

826
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: things went down with negotiations with the Mets stand filed.

827
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: I think I can find it myself to give you

828
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,479
Speaker 1: a little read. So Edwin Diaz on why the Mets

829
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: didn't get a shot to match the Dodgers deal. He said,

830
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: we took an offer to the Mets. They said they

831
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: have a gap to negotiate, but that usually means is

832
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: they're not giving you the straight shot number forget best

833
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: and final. They're just like, We're like, here, let's keep dancing.

834
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Speaker 1: You come back, we might have a little room. He said.

835
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Speaker 1: He took his number and info right what he was

836
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: looking for at that point. To the Dodgers, they said, cool, done,

837
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: accept it right away. And being that they accepted it

838
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: right away, he couldn't go back to the Mets and

839
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: then start going back and forth again. You can't mess around.

840
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: This is how the game works. And I've spoken to

841
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: many agents KP about how they often feel as if

842
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: front office executives are offended by the way the market works.

843
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: They're like, what I'm supposed to just keep going back

844
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: to you, maybe lose the other deal for my client,

845
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: Like that's just not how this works, right, Like, oh,

846
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: how come you didn't give us one last chance? This

847
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: happens all the time. I know this happened with a

848
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: number of teams last year. So with like say Alex

849
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: Bragman and the Tigers, right, we have this number, we

850
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: probably can go higher. Okay, well I got a better

851
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: deal now from the Red Sox. I don't have to

852
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: freaking call you just because I spent a lot of

853
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: time with you or with aj Hinch. That's not how

854
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: this shit works.

855
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 3: It's not how real life works. I mean, I've been

856
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 3: doing construction at my house for the last month or

857
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 3: last year. You know, when people coming in bid jobs,

858
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, you know, obviously you want quality and stuff.

859
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 3: But when you're talking about two quality type of things

860
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 3: and you know there's a price differential, I don't owe

861
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 3: it to anyone to go try to you know, you know,

862
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 3: sell it to someone else, and good for the Dodgers.

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Speaker 3: That's how you do business. But it's not only the Dodgers.

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Speaker 3: Good on Edwin Diaz and his agent, because I think

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Speaker 3: in this sport there's too much of like, hey, let's

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Speaker 3: you know, you know, let's set a ballpark. We want

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Speaker 3: seven years. Just come out with a realistic offer, what

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Speaker 3: you think your client's worth according to the comps and

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Speaker 3: the history of the game, and where your player's at

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Speaker 3: be within like you know, a ballpark, and you're gonna

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Speaker 3: get a deal done. I love the Dodgers saying, yep,

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Speaker 3: you're in. Can't go back now. Obviously Edwin probably could have,

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Speaker 3: but it's probably not good for business for you know,

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Speaker 3: his agent and himself. If he would have, the Dodgers

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Speaker 3: would have agreed on it. And he says, oh, I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna go run back to the Mets. But this is

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Speaker 3: you know, business one oh one by the Dodgers and

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Speaker 3: Edwin Diaz and his agents. This is our number. If

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Speaker 3: you want to accept it, accept it. And the Dodger said,

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Speaker 3: we accept it. You're ours. It's over done.

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Speaker 1: That's how you do this. Done. Good stuff today, great show, KP,

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Speaker 1: you're superman. Thanks for joining us. We're gonna talk again soon.

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Speaker 1: I think I think we got you back soon.

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Speaker 3: Right yep, yep, right before Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what do you know, what day are we on

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Speaker 1: with you?

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Speaker 3: I'm on the twenty third.

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Speaker 1: Oh nice, that's a good shoe, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, And less unless there's someone else that you know

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Speaker 3: runs into a problem. You know, I'm always available off

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Speaker 3: the bench.

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Speaker 1: KP to the rescue Superman. Truly good stuff, dude. Todd

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Speaker 1: Father is back on with us Tomorrow. Bob Nightingale will

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Speaker 1: join us for an insider segment and we'll see then