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Speaker 1: Welcome inside, Happy Tuesday. Unless you're Bill Belichick or the Jets,

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Speaker 1: Hey we almost hire Jon Gruden, almost almost almost. Have

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Speaker 1: you ever wiped with a piece of dry toilet paper

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick is not a first ballad Hall of Famer,

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Speaker 1: A story that broke earlier this afternoon and has since

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Speaker 1: spread like wildfire. Many people are very upset, Jimmy Johnson

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Speaker 1: tweeting out how mad he is. People want blood, they want,

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Speaker 1: they want, they want all kinds of stuff. They want

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Speaker 1: to know who didn't vote who didn't vote him? Of

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Speaker 1: the forty voters, twenty nine votes to get Belichick into

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. A guy with more Super Bowls

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Speaker 1: and everybody's done more did not get in the Pro

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Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame. And now it's like it's the

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Speaker 1: biggest miscarriage of justice that we have seen in sports

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Speaker 1: in quite some time. Because Number one, the first thing

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say is I love the fact that people

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Speaker 1: are just now coming around to the fact that, oh wait,

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Speaker 1: so writers, when they vote for a Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: and MVP and Rookie of the Year, they vote with

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Speaker 1: their own agenda, their own personal feelings, Like we haven't

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Speaker 1: seen enough evidence of that over the course in the

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Speaker 1: past twenty five years. They either voter they don't guys

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Speaker 1: keeping Echiro from being unanimous, keeping Jeter from being unanimous. No,

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Speaker 1: by the way, I had pretty good authority. Rob Parker

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Speaker 1: didn't vote for Jeter. Rob Parker didn't vote for Ero.

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Speaker 1: He also didn't vote for Belichick. So there's that vote.

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Speaker 1: He said, he sent back a blank ballad he and

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Speaker 1: ten others. I've just that's eleven votes that just said ah.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even see it in the mail. I mean,

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Speaker 1: come on, he did not do that. But it's like

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Speaker 1: people are just realizing, now, oh, hey, voters vote with

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Speaker 1: that kind of of whatever process. Because we've heard a

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Speaker 1: lot since the vote came out that there was a

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Speaker 1: contingent that didn't like the cheating, Spygate, everything else. And

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised that everybody is so surprised about it because

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Speaker 1: quite honestly, when you have spygate scandal and you have

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Speaker 1: the deflate gate scandal and you treat reporters like crap

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Speaker 1: for twenty years, yeah, sometimes you reap what you sew.

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Speaker 1: Now we can debate whether or not Bill Belichick's a

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Speaker 1: first ballot Hall of Famer or not. Look as Bill

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Speaker 1: Belichick hall of Famer, absolutely right as a Jet fan, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: But I'm not surprised this is how the vote went

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Speaker 1: because just as you see for guys like Barry Bonds

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Speaker 1: is how they vote. Whether it's a one year ban,

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Speaker 1: I'll vote for him next year, or I'm never going

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Speaker 1: to vote for the guy. This is how it goes.

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Speaker 1: This is how writers vote, this is how people vote.

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Speaker 1: And twenty years of him at press conferences, acting like

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Speaker 1: reporters aren't even worth his time. And again, the cheating

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Speaker 1: stuff that we had. However, whoever, you want to talk

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Speaker 1: about that in a sliding scale of how big a

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Speaker 1: all that stuff is out there, But I can't believe

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Speaker 1: what he's sown for the last twenty something. Yet I

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Speaker 1: over yourselves, you crying infants. So the hey, he wasn't

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Speaker 1: you ask him a bad question. Okay, fine, the the

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Speaker 1: flate Gate one of the dumbest things we've ever done. Again,

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Speaker 1: sliding scale, decide, spygate. There's still a lot we right,

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Speaker 1: we'll never know because they the flate Gate was blown

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the endgame with all of it. You

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Speaker 2: So anything he says in that committee room should be

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Speaker 2: is just look, petty knows no tax bracket. It's one

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Speaker 2: so that comes in here. Do you have a list

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Speaker 1: Do I keep them up? Is it a sliding scale?

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Speaker 1: Like can you move it up?

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Speaker 1: and things mocking the Jets of course, uh rank highly

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Speaker 1: Kenny Anderson's gonna end up getting into the Hall of

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Speaker 1: This makes sense. Kenny also didn't win, right. But that's

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Speaker 1: the thing is that there's two different conversations going on.

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Speaker 1: There is Belichick not getting in and you believing that

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Speaker 1: didn't get in, And I understand why he didn't get

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Speaker 1: Spygate was a really big deal, right, and he never

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Speaker 1: Spygate helped the Patriots because Belichick's not going to keep

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Speaker 1: Fame voter, Bill, good luck trying to get in when

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Speaker 1: of the fact that Bill Pollian, year after year, seems

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Speaker 1: him sit out a year because of Spygate. Right, I'm

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Speaker 1: vote you in. When Poleon was contacted, he said no,

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Speaker 1: so then it's other people that are voting for different

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Speaker 1: you surprised that he did? That's a two different things.

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Speaker 1: Jason Coleport Football Hall of Fame voter, that's not the

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Speaker 1: Mike moment. No, I get it, No, I get it.

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Speaker 1: and being surprised that he got left off because of

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Speaker 1: the cheating scandals because potentially how he treated reporters for

429
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Speaker 1: twenty years, who oh, by the way, or the voters.

430
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Speaker 1: Those are two separate conversations that have being I'm surprised

431
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 1: he didn't, you know, he didn't get in. Is he worthy?

432
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 1: And then but honestly, Jay cal we've seen this in

433
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Speaker 1: voting in the pasts, whether it's for the Baseball Hall

434
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Speaker 1: of Fame, whether it's for the pro football fan. Yeah,

435
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 1: some people vote with agendas and reasons, and I'm I'm

436
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Speaker 1: not going to put you in because I have a

437
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: problem here, And maybe I'll vote for you next year,

438
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Speaker 1: but I'm not voting for you now.

439
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Speaker 3: There are, like, there are things that I have thought

440
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 3: about in reaction to certain you know, like I'll just

441
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 3: lay it out the way that warrants app acted after

442
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,199
Speaker 3: he was he was on the ballot the first year

443
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 3: that I voted, So that's thirteen or fourteen years, I

444
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 3: don't know whatever it was. And he was such a

445
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 3: jerk afterwards after he got it, not because he was

446
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 3: talking about himself, but because he was ragging on Mike's

447
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 3: dray hand, I was like, you know what, if you're

448
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 3: that much of a jerk, and it's not a jerk

449
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 3: to me because you're just generally a jerk. And Warren's

450
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 3: apps some one of the biggest ones in the history

451
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Speaker 3: of this league. You know, if it's close, I might

452
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 3: I might choose somebody else. It has to be close, right,

453
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 3: and there has to be a good reason. It has

454
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Speaker 3: to be researched. And so when to came up and

455
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:51,479
Speaker 3: he finished eighth on my annual survey, I was like, well,

456
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 3: not a lot of people, not a lot of people

457
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Speaker 3: who worked in the NFL are just thinking's no doubt.

458
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Speaker 3: I'm a surprised he finished dates And then I looked

459
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 3: at the other cannon. It's like, this is close. And

460
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 3: I voted for him to get to the round of ten,

461
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 3: and it was the to get down to. You know,

462
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 3: I don't know if he made it past the ten,

463
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 3: but I didn't vote for the second round. And so

464
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 3: you won't call that an agenda, or do you wan't

465
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 3: call that a life experience that you know a guy

466
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 3: who's treated other people very poorly. It may not be

467
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 3: as much of a Hall of Famer as everybody thinks

468
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 3: based on what people in the NFL say, is that

469
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 3: is that an agenda? Some people may say that. I'll

470
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Speaker 3: say this, I voted for t O in the second year,

471
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Speaker 3: and I certainly voted for him in the third year

472
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Speaker 3: when he made it, you know, so you know, I

473
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Speaker 3: didn't think that he should be kept out. And if

474
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Speaker 3: he had made it in his first year, that would

475
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 3: have been that would have been perfectly reasonable. He was.

476
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Speaker 3: He had the stats to back it up.

477
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Speaker 1: No, you safe keeping out for Drew Pearson when you

478
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: went on the cowboys rampage of getting.

479
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 3: I did not get a chance to. I tried. I

480
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 3: tried so hard.

481
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Speaker 1: Stop back out. Yeah, you're trying to get all those cowboys.

482
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: That's you actively trying to restart that conversation.

483
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 3: Lily, Lily, Lily, Randy White out out.

484
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Speaker 1: So Roger Craig, Well, it's you the matter. I mean, look,

485
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: this is a great story for for Smith because he

486
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: gets gleeful today because yesterday I had to keep picking

487
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: him up because he was all despondent that Sam Darnold

488
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Speaker 1: is going to the Super Bowl.

489
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Speaker 3: Damn. That's a beautiful story from the ashes destroy his

490
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 3: career nearly destroyed by Gang Green and Woody Johnson, who

491
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 3: continues to try and destroy the team, like, let's fire

492
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Speaker 3: a bunch of guys after all the good assistants have

493
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 3: been picked off already. What a masterful thing that is, Like, oh,

494
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 3: two weeks after, three weeks after, Oh yeah, let's start

495
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Speaker 3: firing assistance now.

496
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I can't I can't say any No, I

497
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: can't say anything to that ass Yeah. I had to

498
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: bring him back down against anything. But back back into

499
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: the committee meetings as they go through. Did do you

500
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: find as you're what you say thirteen fourteen years are

501
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: they more contentious these days?

502
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Speaker 3: No, it's not really contentious. I think it's an intelligent discussion.

503
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 3: You know, there are some point are there some pointed

504
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 3: remarks and people get you know, get their the hair

505
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 3: up on the back of the neck occasionally a little bit. Sure,

506
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 3: But what a bunch of old dudes. There ain't that

507
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 3: much energy, man, What are you going to have? Like

508
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,239
Speaker 3: you know, John McClain, you know, ready to blow up

509
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 3: against Gary Myers, Like you really think that's going.

510
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: To happen, Like that'd be fun, it'd be really fun.

511
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Speaker 3: My money's on McClean. I mean Marshall fight sty I

512
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 3: give him a bit, but I think I think he

513
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 3: can get dropped in around.

514
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 1: Well, the first I thought you were going to come

515
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: in and say, hey, Samini, did you vote for Belichick?

516
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: To meet me?

517
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Speaker 3: Was the first year? The first year is as a

518
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Speaker 3: as a voter. So I said, I did that. Now

519
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 3: called back and he goes, I cover witty, Lord, he

520
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 3: was really looking forward to this, brother.

521
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Speaker 1: So so let me ask you this note now, so

522
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Speaker 1: you have to get.

523
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Speaker 3: To talk about good players. The first time in a

524
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Speaker 3: long time you had.

525
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Speaker 1: You had eleven people not vote, and there's a big push, hey,

526
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Speaker 1: in a week for people to defend their votes and

527
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: come out and talk about it. Do you think that happens?

528
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: Do we find out the identity of some people who

529
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Speaker 1: didn't vote for him?

530
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Speaker 3: Have no idea. I'll say, look, I don't want to

531
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 3: talk about other people, what they say, what they do,

532
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 3: that's not it's not for me to do that. I'm

533
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Speaker 3: not to talk about what said in.

534
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Speaker 1: The meaning other Do you do you think people are

535
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: gonna are going to make their votes public? The people

536
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 1: who didn't vote for him will make their votes public

537
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: and talk about it and defend it, or is this

538
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: going to be like, Hey, we're looking for the guy

539
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: that didn't vote for each row and after a couple

540
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: of days we forget about it.

541
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Speaker 3: I don't, man, I don't know maybe one or two people,

542
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 3: you know, I.

543
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Speaker 5: Don't know.

544
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 3: I think that people get vilified for voting their conscious

545
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 3: and I don't think that that's necessarily fair. I do.

546
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 3: I respect the Baseball Writer's process where guys do publish

547
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 3: their votes, and I wouldn't be afraid to publish what

548
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 3: my votes are. But you know, I don't know what

549
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 3: other people are thinking, so I don't want to go there.

550
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 3: You know, I work with these people I like. I

551
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 3: like almost all of them. Well, I don't know some

552
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 3: of them. Like I've never I've never had dinner with

553
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 3: Lisa Salters. She seems like a very nice woman and

554
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 3: she's I've talked to her a couple of times. I own,

555
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 3: but you know, I wouldn't like, I don't, you know,

556
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 3: like we don't have any kind of like any kind

557
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 3: of personal relationship or anything like that. You know, that's

558
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 3: to me, that's a whole different thing. Because I walked

559
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 3: up but you know, every time I see him, and

560
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 3: but yeah, you know, I respect the people on this channel.

561
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 3: They know a lot of stuff about football, They've worked

562
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 3: really hard at it. And do some of them have

563
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 3: opinions that I disagree with? Sure? Do I have opinions

564
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 3: that they disagree with. Absolutely.

565
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Speaker 1: So let me ask you on a level of one

566
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: to ten, with one being hey, this is something that

567
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: we can deal with and and and work on. It

568
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: will go away, and ten being this is an epic fail,

569
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: Like where where do you put Belichick not getting in

570
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame?

571
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 3: These go to eleven.

572
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: That's done.

573
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Speaker 3: Wow, that's just I mean, GOLs Me, just GOLs Me again.

574
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 3: I think he's the most qualified. We talked about twenty

575
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 3: different people, Derew Brees, Larry Fitzgerald, Luke Keickley Marshall, Yanda,

576
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 3: talked about the other you know, Tory Holt, Reggie Wayne,

577
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 3: some really great players, none of them and you can

578
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 3: you can say all you want about Oh, he had

579
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 3: to have Tom Brady. You're right, Most coaches have to

580
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 3: a good quarterbacks. That's how it works. You get to

581
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame and the coattails of your players.

582
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: If all Brown never had autogram, we don't know about

583
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 3: all of his great inventions, right, you just don't. Okay,

584
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 3: that's just that works. Don Sheula went from Uniteds to

585
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 3: Greasy to Marino. That man's life was blessed, Okay, with

586
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 3: three Hall of Fame quarterbacks. That's how it works. So

587
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 3: maybe that was something that people held against him. But

588
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 3: my bottom line is, you got eight Super Bowl rings,

589
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 3: you got twelve appearances over the last fifty years. The

590
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 3: road to the Super Bowl usually goes through Bill Belichick.

591
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 3: And that's not any kind of overstatement. That is exactly

592
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 3: what it is. And this man has done an amazing

593
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: amount of work to bring the game along. And yes,

594
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 3: because he's done some things to embarrass the game, yes,

595
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 3: but I know the history of this league. Al Davis cheated,

596
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 3: George Allis cheated. Okay, lots of great coaches, but the rules.

597
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 3: As far as camp, My favorite one about Al Davis

598
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 3: he pretended to be a reporter after a game between

599
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 3: the Chargers and some other team, and he went up

600
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 3: to Atlantce Allworth and said, hey, can you design right

601
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 3: down your favorite plays that you'd like to run? And

602
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 3: sim Gilman shouting at the top of the ones, al

603
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 3: get away from my player.

604
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: He's on Twitter for trying. You can't not true.

605
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 3: And want more about that. Don Shula halftime of the

606
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 3: game at the University of California asked Amy Trask about

607
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 3: this one. She'd get the great line, Okay, Shell is

608
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 3: streaming at the light fixture, Al, I know you're listening,

609
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 3: and Amy would will quote Al saying it wasn't in

610
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 3: the light.

611
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: He's on Twitter at Jason Cole sixty two Pro Football

612
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame voter. J Cole has always appreciated your time,

613
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: my friend. We'll talk to you next week. Thanks so much. Later,

614
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: You're the best. Say you, Boddy.

615
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 3: Wow.

616
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: Big stuff to break down from Jason Cole time. The

617
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: word goal time I got galling is a very good one.

618
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: G a l well time out to find out what's

619
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,719
Speaker 1: trending in the WI Grow sports. A guy who's been

620
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: called a Pro Football Hall of Fame voter himself. Huh.

621
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: He also didn't vote for Bill Belichick for the Hall

622
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: of Fame. Instant to say that's true.

623
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Speaker 6: I did not vote for him, or Tom Kaughlin or

624
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 6: anyone else that's coming along.

625
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: I'm not on that committee.

626
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's get to college basketball on the men's side,

627
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 6: because we had quite a lineup tonight. Number three Michigan

628
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 6: trailed most of the night and still beat number five

629
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Speaker 6: Nebraska seventy five seventy two, Number two ranked yukon edge

630
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 6: Providence eighty seven eighty one. Number seven Michigan State won

631
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 6: in overtime at Rutgers. Spartans were down twelve early second half.

632
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 6: Number seventeen Virginia won in two overtimes at Notre Dame.

633
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 6: Virginia had trailed by nineteen in the first half. Number

634
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,239
Speaker 6: fifteen Arkansas winner eighty three seventy nine at Oklahoma. Right now,

635
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 6: number twenty four Miami, Ohio, which is twenty and oh

636
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 6: this year, has taken the lead seventy one sixty nine

637
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 6: against UMass seven and a half minutes to go. And

638
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 6: in Indiana it's the Hoosiers still ahead of number twelve

639
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 6: Perdue sixty five fifty eight, four and a half minutes

640
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 6: left there. In the NBA, we have three games in

641
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 6: progress still. Detroit leads at Denver seventy nine seventy late

642
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 6: in the third. Nuggets star Nikola Jokic will be reevaluated

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Speaker 6: next week. He's been out for a month with a

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Speaker 6: bone bruise in his knee. Phoenix at home leads mid

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Speaker 6: third quarter against the Brooklyn Nets sixty nine sixty one.

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Speaker 6: Brooklyn has lost five in a row. Sacramento's now lost

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Speaker 6: six in a row. They lost at New York one

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Speaker 6: oh three, eighty seven, Philadelphia and Oklahoma City with home wins.

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Speaker 1: Washington as well.

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Speaker 6: Wizards had lost nine straight, but edge Portland won fifteen

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Speaker 6: to one eleven and to the first quarter at Utah

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Speaker 6: Jazz twenty nine eighteen over the LA Clippers. By the way,

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Speaker 6: Cleveland's Evan Mobley will miss one to three weeks with

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Speaker 6: a strained calf. Coach Bill Belichick will reportedly not be

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Speaker 6: elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame this year.

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Speaker 6: The class will be announced next week. The Bills promoted

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Speaker 6: Joe Brady to head coach. The Titans new offensive coordinator

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Speaker 6: is Brian Dable, and Denver fired offense coordinator Joe Lombardi

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Speaker 6: head coach Sean Payton is the play caller there.

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Speaker 1: Back to You, Thank You, Steve O. Jason Smith's show

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Speaker 1: down Well. Coming up next, we react to Jason Cole

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Speaker 1: pro Football Hall of Fame voter who just took us

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Speaker 1: inside as much as he can about the process why

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick did not get in the Hall of Fame today.

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what. If people are going to

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Speaker 1: go public and defend their reason why, I know exactly

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Speaker 1: what they're gonna say. That's coming up next right here,

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Speaker 1: Jason and Mike Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 4: Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith

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Speaker 4: Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven

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Speaker 4: pm Pacific.

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. The Jason Smith Show with my best

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Speaker 1: friend Mike Harmon. Jets, Well, we'll get to John Gruden

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00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: turning the Jets down.

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Speaker 7: Jason hold on, Yeah, question for you, Yeah, sure, did

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Speaker 7: Belichick coach your team for a little bit, Yes, for

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Speaker 7: about an hour and a half hour and a half yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 7: you should be punished.

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Speaker 1: But they kept the Jets out of the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: How does that make you. How could you punish the

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Speaker 1: Jets any worse? You need to be punished more, punished more.

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00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: Why you want to know why? Why? What did Sam

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Speaker 1: Donald do on the Jets? He was terrible? How is

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00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: he doing? Now? Where's he at? He's terrific? Now is

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Speaker 1: he on the Super Bowl? Yeah? How you again? How

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Speaker 1: are you going to punish us more? You know how

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Speaker 1: how I'll get back to you? Yeah, you know you

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Speaker 1: didn't apologize to Sam Donald. Thanks to Jason Cole for

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Speaker 1: stopping by it a few minutes ago. A longtime front

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Speaker 1: of the show on with us every week. He's a

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Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame voter, and he told us

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Speaker 1: a lot of interesting stuff about what went why he

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Speaker 1: doesn't think Bill Belichick got in the Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 1: and you know, without being able to say, this is

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Speaker 1: what these people said in the meeting, he gave us

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Speaker 1: a lot of great stuff. If you didn't get it,

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Speaker 1: we'll put it up Best of Fox Sports Radio up

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Speaker 1: on social media within the next few minutes. But you know,

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Speaker 1: when he said, hey, there were some people in the

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Speaker 1: room that had a problem with some of the belt

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Speaker 1: and stuff that Belichick was involved in, mainly meeting Spygate

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00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: to flake Gate, whatever was the cheating st You can

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Speaker 1: find it all on the Wikipedia pages and everything else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah there, And look, spygate was the worst cheating scandal

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Speaker 1: we had had in the NFL in quite some time, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we didn't have anything as big as this.

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Speaker 1: There was there was, there was evidence that was destroyed

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Speaker 1: before we could get a good answer on it. There

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Speaker 1: was a lot of things that went on with this.

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Speaker 1: This was this I remember this story. Now I got

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Speaker 1: to explain to millennials what spygate was. But this was

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Speaker 1: still in the you know, the early mid two thousands

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Speaker 1: where this was this was a really big deal where

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Speaker 1: they were caught videotaping other teams walk throughs and practices

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Speaker 1: and that information was then funneled down allegedly to the

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Speaker 1: offense the defense, so they knew what the other teams

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Speaker 1: were going to do. Now as a scan, my understanding

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00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: is that you could videotape, but just in designated areas,

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00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: so it becomes spirit letter of the law kind of discussion.

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Speaker 1: But to that point, and you know, with the crack

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Speaker 1: research of hey, what day did this happen? Roger Goodell

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Speaker 1: took over in two thousand and six, Spygate was two

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Speaker 1: thousand and seven. Remember Roger Goodell when he took over

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Speaker 1: anything that was anywhere near potentially tarnishing the shield. Oh

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Speaker 1: he was rolling iron fist. But that's but that's it, right,

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Speaker 1: that's the timing Aris Henry Tank Williams, all those guys

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Speaker 1: that you were suspended for editing, and you could talk

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Speaker 1: about careers that were lost and whatever based on a

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Speaker 1: positive marijuana test. So in this case it became the

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Speaker 1: biggest fire of hey, destroy that, right, you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: turn it in, all right, it's destroyed and whatever, and

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Speaker 1: you know it's a po signer how and after the players,

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Speaker 1: but I'll save the owner in a team, right, I

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Speaker 1: mean that's what it looked like. I'm going, I'll go

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Speaker 1: after all these players but an owner and a yeah,

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00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do you guys a solid. But in the moment,

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00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: it was still the all right, this is a a big,

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Speaker 1: egregious issue that he had to deal with, and it's like,

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Speaker 1: it's so scandalous, we can't even have the videotapes remain.

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Speaker 1: And here's the which you could argue, you know which

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Speaker 1: side you'll want on that. It's the thing though it

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Speaker 1: might have even been better for Belichick Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: wise if all that stuff got out, because then people

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Speaker 1: could put and get to peace with it. Okay, well

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00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: he did it, but we found out what it is.

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Speaker 1: It's really not that big a deal to me, but

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Speaker 1: a lot of people who voted and didn't vote for Belichick,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure. Well, I really don't know everything that happened,

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Speaker 1: but I don't like the cheating. That's the point. There's

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Speaker 1: just this giant black box right over whatever it was

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Speaker 1: on those tapes. So I'd respect the hell out of

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Speaker 1: out of any voter that said, listen, the spygate stuff,

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Speaker 1: the cheating. I got a big problem with this is

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Speaker 1: cheating fabric of the game because it's the same kind

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Speaker 1: of thing we're talking about with Major League Baseball and

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Speaker 1: steroids and peds and and the astros cheating scandal. This

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Speaker 1: is Okay, I'm not voting for this guy because I

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Speaker 1: I can't take that that scandal was a really big thing,

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Speaker 1: and I can't forgive him for that. I can't put

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Speaker 1: him in the Hall of Fame. If a writer, if

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Speaker 1: a voter that didn't vote for Belichick said that, I'd

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Speaker 1: respect that. Now they got to stick with that, and

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Speaker 1: and and go all the way with it and say

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Speaker 1: I can't vote for him ever because of the cheating scandal,

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Speaker 1: because that's such a damaging thing for the NFL. I

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Speaker 1: got a problem if it's well, I'm not gonna do

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Speaker 1: it this year, but I'll vote for him next year.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: No, either someone's a Hall of Fame or they're not.

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Speaker 1: And if you don't think he is because of that,

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Speaker 1: I respect the hell out of you, but don't give

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Speaker 1: me this. I'm not gonna I'm just gonna postpone it

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00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: for a year, which is probably what's gonna happen. No,

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00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: but that, but that's the problem. Right, So then you're

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Speaker 1: really you made a stand, so you can make a stink.

784
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Speaker 1: But if you're not, then yourself making making it known

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Speaker 1: I voted or did not vote in this case and

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Speaker 1: here's why then, and that it's a bunch of hubbub

787
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Speaker 1: for nothing, and we'll we'll talk more about it, because

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Speaker 1: more the voting, uh, the the elector electoral process here

789
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: is starting to come out. You're not just seeing the coaches, players,

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Speaker 1: former players all rallying to what the hell are we

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00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: doing here? It's also people that were in that room

792
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Speaker 1: raising their hand, going what do we do? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, it's coming from inside the room. It's

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Speaker 1: it's it's become a much bigger conflagration than anybody thought

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Speaker 1: it was going to be today. But I mean, if

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Speaker 1: a voter would say that, I'd respect that. Now there

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00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: is a call from many voters to say, make your

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Speaker 1: votes public, if you did not vote for Bill Belichick,

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Speaker 1: make your votes public, because you're making the rest of

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Speaker 1: us look bad. So are we actually going to see that, Well,

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00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: they'll happen in the court over the course of next week.

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Speaker 1: But we see people who didn't vote for Belichick say yeah,

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Speaker 1: I didn't. Here's my reasoning why. We'll tell you how

804
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Speaker 1: that next week is going to go. Coming up next

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Speaker 1: Jason and Mike Fox Sports Radio, Arnold, you apologize, we

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00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: have done. We got bigger fish to front Cosberg. This

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00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: is a old Bellichier the perfect spot, John Gruden turning

808
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 1: down the Jets conversation. No, but eventually you start getting

809
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: guilty and you start eating your feelings and you gotta

810
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: I mean you got to deal with it and come

811
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Speaker 1: to grips. We're trying to have an intervention here. Yeah,

812
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: we're trying to help you out. Frostburg has your best

813
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: interests in that heart. What do your feelings taste like

814
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: if you're eating them? This is the table of girls

815
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: who eat their feelings h Hamburgers or what something?

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Speaker 7: No?

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00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: No, hot dogs with cheese, mustard? Hot dogs? Mustard? Oh

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Speaker 1: yeah yeah on a hot What do you put on

819
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: at on a hot dog? Absolutely, put a bun on it.

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00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, but mustard, mustard? Some well you wouldn't put

821
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Speaker 1: you would put you people, Sporto peppers, Yeah okay. So

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Speaker 1: to take the Belichick conversation and to push it in

823
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Speaker 1: a forward with a direction many people have waged in

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Speaker 1: Belichick not getting of the Pro Football Hall of Fame today, Uh,

825
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Speaker 1: twenty nine out of forty votes. Not enough, he doesn't

826
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Speaker 1: get in. What will happen now? But Jimmy Johnson Fox

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00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: Sports is Jimmy Johnson, who retired last year put this

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Speaker 1: out on social media earlier today. I would like to

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00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: know the names of the blanks. Yeah, who did not

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Speaker 1: vote for him, Belichick. They are too cowardly to identify themselves.

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Speaker 1: And John McClain, longtime Pro Football Hall of Fame voter,

832
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: again says, hey, people who didn't vote for Belichick should

833
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: make themselves known because this is making all of us

834
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Speaker 1: look bad. So now look, this happened with when Ietro

835
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: didn't get unanimously elected to the Hall of Fame. Who

836
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: is the person that didn't vote for him? It's a

837
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: story for a few days. He didn't find out Jeter.

838
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: This is now the big thing. We want to know

839
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Speaker 1: who is not and who did not vote for Belichick. Now,

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Speaker 1: the one part of it is that Bill Pollian, who

841
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: is a huge influence in Belichick not being a first

842
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: ballot Hall of Famer. Anonymous voter said Poleon told voters

843
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: Belichick should have to wait a year as penance for

844
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: Spygate and to flategate. According to reports, Bill Pollyon said no,

845
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Speaker 1: not sue, I voted for him. Also said, I'm ninety

846
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Speaker 1: five percent sure I voted for I either voted for

847
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: the coach or for L. C. Greenwood, is what he said.

848
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Speaker 1: They do I I sir, do I marry or which

849
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Speaker 1: one of these? Either he's alive or he's dead, or

850
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: the cops got him or they don't. So I voted

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00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: for him. I mean, I've voted for him. I'm ninety sure. Yeah. So,

852
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: now did he actually voter or do you have his

853
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Speaker 1: student information?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

855
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, just you know, I need you to fall on

856
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: the sword here and say you forgot to check Belichick's

857
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: name on it, right, I need you to do that

858
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: for me. So now the debate's going to be are

859
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: we going to find out the names of these voters?

860
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: And if you want to find out, I will say

861
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: this is the absolute wrong way to do it, by

862
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 1: getting on social media and calling them names and saying

863
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: you gotta do what you gotta do it. Oh, yes,

864
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: of course I'll come out and do it. Now, that's

865
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: not going to do it. This is going to make

866
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: people say, oho, whoa, whoa, whoa. If this is what

867
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: the reaction is going to be, because you've already got

868
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: a predisposed opinion as to what you're going to say

869
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: to me if if I didn't vote for Belichick for

870
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, right, so why would I come

871
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: out and get that ridicule? As Jason Cole said, pro

872
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 1: football Hall of Fame voter who joined us last hour

873
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: on the show, again, the Best of Podcasts will have

874
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: that in it also YouTube. He said he maybe one

875
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: or two people might say something, but and I gotta

876
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: be honest with you, I don't think we're gonna get anybody,

877
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: because whereas I can see one or two people going, boy,

878
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: I'd get a lot of attention, I would get clicks.

879
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: I would you know, they would see me differently. I

880
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: would be able to cut through the clutter. The backlash

881
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: on them is going to be so immense. They're gonna say,

882
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: why would I do this? And these aren't people that

883
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: you would think of would be in the moat to

884
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: look for clicks. Right, these are guys that have to

885
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: cover football for a long time. Rich Samini, Right, we

886
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: talked to me. Jets b reporter has been covering the Jets,

887
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: which is Wow, you should be able to pro vote

888
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: for the Hall of Fame just for that. It's been

889
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: covering the Jets for thirty years. First year is a

890
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame. It's a hard group to

891
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: get into. Absolutely, he's not someone that's going to say,

892
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: and I don't know what rich SEMANI. I'm just using

893
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: him as an example. You know, thirty years, first year

894
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: for rich Semini. If he didn't vote for Belichick, he's

895
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: not gonna be the guy that stuffing. Yeah, Hey, I'm

896
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna be a difference maker. I'm gonna stand

897
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: up and I'm gonna be someone to say, yeah, I

898
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: didn't vote for him. No one gets into this business

899
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: and gets into this to stand out like you would

900
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: think that, Okay, hey, one or two people might want

901
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 1: to do it, but this is a group of writers

902
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: and voters who don't want that sort of attention on them. Again,

903
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: we wanted to know who didn't vote for Etro. Never

904
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: found out.

905
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 3: Never.

906
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: I didn't get close. I mean I tried to tell

907
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: people was Rob Parker, and I tried to make fun

908
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: with that, but they didn't take off because Rob Parker

909
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: didn't do it. That's probably why it didn't take off.

910
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 1: Because I said Rob Parker didn't Then I said, no,

911
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: Rob Parker, absolutely vote for free Tro. So if you're

912
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: a voter and you're seeing that this is the response,

913
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: you're not going to come out of hiding and say, well,

914
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 1: I'll talk about it. I mean, I just don't. There's

915
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,919
Speaker 1: no win for you because no matter what you say,

916
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: the reaction is gonna be your stupid, take your vote away,

917
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: and now you're going to pit people in the Hall

918
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: of Fame voters against other voters. And I know that

919
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: John McClain is. And this is where if you're a writer,

920
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: you voted for Belichick. I'll tell guys like John McClain, dude,

921
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: stay off of social media. Okay, so off social media.

922
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 1: You're still voting for the Hall of Fame. You're still there.

923
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: Why are you doing this? Why you want to I

924
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: get that people are saying, and they're mad at they're

925
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: so pissed at the other people that didn't vote for him.

926
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: They're mad at you, right, I get that they're so

927
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: pissed at them, they're pissed at you. I understand that.

928
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,959
Speaker 1: But you didn't do anything, and all all this would

929
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: do is make the process worse for those voters. Now,

930
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: we would like to see it. We want to see

931
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: you didn't vote, want to know why Belichick wasn't voted

932
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: for for us. It's great for them. There's no win.

933
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: If I saw a win for them to come out

934
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: and say this is why we didn't vote. If I

935
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: thought that these eleven people could stand up along a

936
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: dais and say and say, hey, Spygate was too big

937
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: a deal for us, and we didn't vote for him

938
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: because of that. We didn't know the depth. But that

939
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: was cheating. It's like the Astros, It's like peds in baseball.

940
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: We didn't know what the flate gate was all about,

941
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: but here's a another cheating scandal shortly after that. Yeah,

942
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 1: I had a problem with Belichick. Do you really think

943
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: them coming out saying that is going to suddenly oh,

944
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: people are gonna go, oh, oh I didn't know that.

945
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: Oh oh well, yo, right, spy gate. Oh yes, I

946
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: forgot about spy Yes, oh now I get Hey, I'm

947
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: sorry all this stuff I said about you on social media, No,

948
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 1: now I get it because of the whole cheating stuff

949
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: like that's not you can see right now, that's not

950
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: helping because overwhelmingly people are saying, hey, I don't care

951
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: about Spygate, I don't care about the flake in, I

952
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: don't care about anything else. This guy won more Super

953
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: Bowl than anybody else. He should be in the Hall

954
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: of Fame. So you know, they know about Spygate, and

955
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: they're still saying, hey, why is this guy not in

956
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame? And Jimmy Johnson is saying stuff

957
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: like I want to know the names of the blanks

958
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: who didn't vote for him. So, yeah, I don't see

959
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: a win for these voters coming from. That's just that curiate. Well,

960
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: I mean, look, they're probably a spot for him on

961
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: a debate show if I take nonsense. If you come on, boy,

962
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: what is that? That's where this start is. Well, I mean, look,

963
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: like you said, it does take a long time to

964
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: get into that room, right. Cole has been covering the

965
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: league for a long time. He's been doing it for

966
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: what fourteen years he said, Samini thirty years? Nothing? You know,

967
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: John mcclin's in his forty ninth year as he has

968
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: in his Twitter bio of covering sports there in the Planet,

969
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: Houston and on down the line. So yeah, I get

970
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: your point. There's not a lot to be gained in

971
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: most respects. And who knows after the vote goes or

972
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 1: maybe someone's got the giant expository piece for fifteen minutes

973
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: of what they thought in the process and why they

974
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: voted that way. But certainly at this point you've got

975
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people pointing fingers. McLean followed up that

976
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: initial missive with at this point, if we say we

977
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: voted for Belichick, how many would really believe us?

978
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

979
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: Right, because Napoleon's not helping anything, my gun. Yeah, yeah,

980
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: I did not actually I'm ninety five percent sure I

981
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: voted for him or any other guy, him or L. C. Greenwood,

982
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: maybe eighty percent. I forget did I write Belichick or LCG.

983
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: I see it kind of gets into, you know, the

984
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: spy game in terms of letter versus spirit of the law.

985
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: It was still allowed to be taped, just not over there.

986
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: Same thing here. It's like, man, I meant to say Belichick,

987
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: I said Greenwood. I don't know what it's closed. I mean,

988
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: the two of them are just inextricably linked for the

989
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: rest of my life. But all of it now you've

990
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: got the infighting, and it's overtaken what would otherwise be

991
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: a glorious process, still of speculation, still of celebrating that

992
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: we're going to the Super Bowl. It did take the

993
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: ridiculous Shador Sanders story of the Anahs so heasy gave

994
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: us that we'll get to Gruden at some point tonight

995
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: and then him telling the Jets to beat it. But

996
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: for this, it's just great theater because it's the selective

997
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: outrage of which offense in any of these sports, in

998
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: the micro or the macro sense, I guess for the NFL,

999
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 1: of how important of this is this to the history

1000
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: of the game, right, it's eighteen years ago. I tried

1001
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: to put it in the historical context of what Roger

1002
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: Goodell did when he took over for Tagliabu, because everything

1003
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: that might have looked bad for the NFL was the worst.

1004
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: Remember for about ten years, the NFL and gambling that convention,

1005
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: that Tony Romo and all those guys were gonna come

1006
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: and do talks, and Nope, can't have that anywhere near

1007
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: a Vegas property because of the sanctity of the game.

1008
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 1: Now it's I can't go eight seconds without Kevin Hart

1009
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: and Lebron James trying to tell me about some parley

1010
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: they're working up. So I mean, it's it's all of

1011
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: those things. So Goodell at that moment it was the

1012
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: I've got the look. They even put them on all

1013
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: those on the magazines and sports Tilla, dread and everything else,

1014
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: you know, superimposed him with the the iron throne right

1015
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: from Thrones, right like that was the deal. So that

1016
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: was under his purview in the first twelve months of

1017
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: his reign. So did he take it more seriously than

1018
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 1: he would have now? Now it might have been, Ah,

1019
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? No, I think it's it's

1020
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: not it's it's a there's a difference between gambling and

1021
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: someone placing a bet in a team facility. Then there

1022
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 1: is Hey, you went and got all this illegal video

1023
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: of all these teams, Why did you keep doing it?

1024
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: And guys are shooting the opposing sideline during a game

1025
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: like that stuff you can't do. Like but if I

1026
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: was in the in the stands as a paying customer,

1027
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: I can do it. Yeah, But when you work for

1028
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 1: the team, and when when you're getting this video to

1029
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: you celebrated, that's Michigan title. Don't talk to me about that.

1030
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: When you're doing it. That's not quite cool. That's not

1031
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 1: quite cool. I mean there's a that that's more. Look,

1032
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: when it comes to cheating, it's always going to be

1033
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: a bigger deal to someone than gambling or or personal

1034
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 1: or or performance dancing drugs, because cheating is like, hey,

1035
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: we watch the games. We don't want to know that

1036
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: that that things are fixed or cheated or teams have

1037
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,959
Speaker 1: That's like the the one line you can't cross, because

1038
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: that's what's going to cause hey, lack of confidence in

1039
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: this in the sport. That's what cause people say, I'm

1040
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: not watching if if this cheating scannal is going to

1041
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: be allowed to go like it's the work. It's the

1042
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: worst thing for Rob Manford. He's going to be the

1043
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: commit the end of his run. It's going to be

1044
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: he's the guy who didn't, who didn't, who went light

1045
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: on the Astros and let them cheat their way to

1046
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: a couple of world series like that. That that cheating

1047
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: thing is still going to be a really big deal.

1048
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 1: He Hey, move those chains. He was down by contact.

1049
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: There's no review necessary here. Exit, I'm out of Fresca,

1050
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: exit swalled. I mean, I'd be really surprised if you

1051
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: saw any voters come forward. There's no win for them.