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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: It's another episode of the Almost Famous podcast. We are

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Speaker 2: breaking down episode five of Charity season of The Bachelor.

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Speaker 2: They are in one of my favorite cities in the US,

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Speaker 2: New Orleans, Ashley. I want to say this, not only

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Speaker 2: do I love New Orleans, it is an incredible place.

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Speaker 2: I've had great memories there, great times there. There's great food,

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Speaker 2: there's great culture, there's great people. So far this season,

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Speaker 2: I personally have not missed the international travel. I've really

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Speaker 2: enjoyed seeing this group come through the US and see

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Speaker 2: and visit different cities.

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Speaker 3: I actually have enjoyed it.

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Speaker 4: I like the fact that it's semi locale, Like it's

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Speaker 4: kind of like a travel agent for like anyone who

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Speaker 4: just wants to kind of see the country a little

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Speaker 4: bit more. I've never found it to be that much

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Speaker 4: of a difference when they're traveling international versus national, if

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Speaker 4: any think it kind of gives us a little bit

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Speaker 4: more like hometown pride that way, like if you're from

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Speaker 4: the area, it's exciting to see your area on TV.

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Speaker 4: And then I also like the fact that, well when

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Speaker 4: they're not like exhausted from the travel, Yeah, and then

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Speaker 4: I have better memories or I have more memories from

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Speaker 4: Bachelor locations in America than I do from foreign locations.

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Speaker 4: The four ones kind of like blend together for me.

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Speaker 4: But then like I have memories of well, they're my

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Speaker 4: bad Lands memory, right, your guys in San Antonio doing

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Speaker 4: like the the you did you did like the what

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Speaker 4: did you do that that did? The singing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we did the Alamo and I went to the

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Speaker 2: dance hall there, which was incredible.

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Speaker 4: And then I think about like Jojo in the middle

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Speaker 4: of freaking Pennsylvania and how they went to the Hinz

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Speaker 4: Field and then there was like the woods there. I

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Speaker 4: don't know, I just keep whenever I think about like

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Speaker 4: epic Bachelor moments, I kind of think about the being national.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you touched on something that viewers should

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Speaker 2: understand is when you travel internationally, you're really tired. There

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Speaker 2: is long travel days, you typically are changing time zones.

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Speaker 3: You're landing, maybe getting a day.

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Speaker 2: Of like reset rest, let the crew get set up,

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Speaker 2: and then you're right back at it again. You're there

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Speaker 2: for another five six days, and then you're back on

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Speaker 2: a plane flying somewhere else. So you do that week

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Speaker 2: after week and you get really tired. You never fully adjust.

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Speaker 2: And then for the cast it's cool to think and say, hey,

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Speaker 2: we're going to BALI right, it's not cool, but you're

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Speaker 2: not really seeing it. I mean you're seeing parts of it.

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Speaker 2: You're maybe out of your you know, hotel or condo

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Speaker 2: for you know, two maybe three of the six days

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Speaker 2: you're there. The rest of the time, you're kind of

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Speaker 2: chilling around a pool or hanging out in your in

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Speaker 2: whatever space they've set up for you. And so I all,

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Speaker 2: we said, because when I was the Bachelor, we traveled

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Speaker 2: very locally. I mean, we did go to Jamaica, we

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Speaker 2: went to Mexico City, but they weren't far flights obviously,

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Speaker 2: And I said that I really enjoyed being close because

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Speaker 2: none of us were ever exhausted from the travel, and

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Speaker 2: so we are all on our best, are kind of

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Speaker 2: our a games. And so I've liked that part and

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Speaker 2: I do. I just like seeing new cities and different

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Speaker 2: cities in the US that I could easily get to

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Speaker 4: And then let's let the audience know that it's not

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Speaker 4: like traveling in luxury for the cast out, but they're

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Speaker 3: Yeah it's not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's not private jets taking this cast around the world.

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Speaker 4: They're not getting first class. But the lead does get

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Speaker 4: first class, right.

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Speaker 3: Most of the time.

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Speaker 2: Not every time, but most of the time you do

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Speaker 3: You know, give or take.

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Speaker 2: I do enjoy the international travel just to see some

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Speaker 2: new places, but I've really really enjoyed seeing Charity season

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Speaker 2: so far. On this episode, Ashley, we're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about two main characters, Sean and Tanner. Obviously, those are

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Speaker 2: the two that stand out. However, Xavier also is right

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Speaker 2: there every other guy, especially in the opening scene here,

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Speaker 2: Charity at least it they'll make it next week to hometowns.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Aaron, he's always a little moody.

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Speaker 4: He is okay, he's not my fav he just always

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he seems like this is I mean, he did

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Speaker 2: it was the hardest week of his life.

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Speaker 4: What the That's just I mean, I don't know how

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and blessed.

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Speaker 4: I'm very happy that he's had such a great life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very happy that it's been so good. However, here's

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Speaker 2: one way to look at it, because we don't know

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Speaker 2: his story either. He is so in love with Charity

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Speaker 2: that this really has been one of the hardest weeks

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Speaker 2: of his life, or maybe he's being dramatic, or maybe

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Speaker 2: he really has never had to have something harder than this,

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Speaker 2: But he says it's emotional, it's hiring. We'll get into

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Speaker 2: that too, a little bit of Aaron B's story, but

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Speaker 2: let's kick it off with Joey's one on one with Charity.

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Speaker 2: This is a one on one that I was excited

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Speaker 2: to witness, to see their connection, to see how they

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Speaker 2: responded to each other. Actually, I do think we're in

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Speaker 2: the week now where these dates feel less forced and

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Speaker 2: more kind of comfortable. That you got to see the

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Speaker 2: connections really blossom. What were your thoughts with the Joey

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Speaker 2: Charity one on one?

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Speaker 4: Well, I love dates like this, you know where they

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Speaker 4: just kind of gallivant around the city and they do

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Speaker 4: things specific to the city, like they got the readings

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Speaker 4: and they have a pull being done and all that.

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Speaker 4: So it's just fun and it's a real date vibe.

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Speaker 4: And there's nothing really shocking about this date for me

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Speaker 4: because they've just been consistently good the entire time. They're

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Speaker 4: always driving, and like you said, I think that they're

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Speaker 4: the conversation probably most worth discussing is during the one

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Speaker 4: on one night time they talked about just being in

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Speaker 4: a biracial relationship and it seemed like it was just

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Speaker 4: it went over as wonderfully as you could assume it would. Basically,

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Speaker 4: he said he's open to learning anything about her you know, background,

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Speaker 4: and that his family is just going to be so

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this was this was a big conversation. I think

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Speaker 2: it was obviously weighing on Charity to open up about this. Uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, the interesting part of this conversation. To me,

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Speaker 2: it was all intriguing. But the really resting part is

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Speaker 2: when Charity is talking about her past relationships and how

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Speaker 2: it's okay, it's all good, not a problem. She goes, nobod,

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Speaker 2: it is something, you know, it is something we. I

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Speaker 2: want my partner to recognize and to not just brush

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Speaker 2: to recognize that this is something that hurts or something

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Speaker 2: that affects me or something that affects us. And and Joey,

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Obviously Joey kind of has the background, and I don't

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Speaker 2: But when it comes to her question of Joey, will

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Speaker 2: they accept me, and I think he says it in

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Speaker 2: full confidence, like yeah, like if anybody my family knows,

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Speaker 2: you know how to you know what love is or

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Speaker 2: that love is love and how to adjust to those things.

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Speaker 2: And so I do you think he has a lot

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Speaker 2: of confidence going into hometowns that his family is gonna

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Speaker 2: really celebrate this relationship. We'll talk later on about some

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Speaker 2: of the previews that we saw.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, we'll save it for later on.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna say it for later on. But when it

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Speaker 2: comes to Joey and Charity right now where they stand,

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Speaker 2: it feels very strong. In fact, in my world, their

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Speaker 2: connection has gotten stronger this week, and it will be

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Speaker 2: hard for me to and and Joey's not even my

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Speaker 2: like if I had to rank him, He's not even

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Speaker 4: You love Joey, you like I think joe is your favorite,

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Speaker 2: Joey, I would pick Xavier. I like Xavier. Yeah, I've

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Speaker 2: always been a Xavier fan. He's always been number one

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Speaker 2: I think he's honest, but I think he cares and

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Speaker 2: he I think Joey is right there where I'm like.

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Speaker 2: I think Joey's just a genuine person for like he's

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Speaker 2: he's been very interested in Cherry since beginning, and I

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Speaker 2: think we've seen that. But Xavier would still be my

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Speaker 4: Week, Joey still gives me boyfriend vibes when Dalton gives

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's something I want to lean into here in

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Speaker 2: just a second. But before we get there, there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of stress at the hotel this episode. Sean and

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Speaker 2: Tanner are definitely feeling the stress of this whole experience.

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Speaker 2: And you and I last week and the week before

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Speaker 2: had mentioned Ashley that we it's pretty clear who her

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Speaker 2: top four were, Right, It's pretty obvious that Tanner and

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Speaker 2: Sean kind of snuck their way through and that the

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Speaker 2: to what you know the Aaron B's and Xavier's and

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Speaker 2: Doton's and Joey's were, So there's a reason they're stressed out.

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Speaker 2: Joey obviously gets the rose after his date, and Sean

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Speaker 4: One, which is exciting is we haven't had a two

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Speaker 4: breaks from two on ones. There's no real animosity between

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Speaker 4: these two, which is nice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was my question.

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Speaker 2: One of my questions for you was is it weird

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Speaker 2: to watch a two on one where both the guys

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Speaker 2: Like this is just clear to me.

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Speaker 3: That we're way far behind.

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Speaker 2: We already felt it, we already kind of assumed it,

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Speaker 2: but like this is just a very obvious, like you know,

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Speaker 2: sign that we are not in the same place as

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Speaker 2: the other.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And she just couldn't make up her mind throughout

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Speaker 4: this episode about really both of them. She wanted like

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Speaker 4: multiple shots with hanging out with them throughout the week.

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Speaker 4: I think it's nice to answer your question, like I

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Speaker 4: think some you want if you're gonna have a two

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Speaker 4: on one, you either want to be an epic showdown

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Speaker 4: or just kind of like, all right, we're just going

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Speaker 4: to get along. Here. They go on the crocodile hunting thing,

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Speaker 4: which is amazing. I used to just a pretty cool day.

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Speaker 4: So I used to like love Swamp Monsters. I used

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Speaker 2: it's going to be a tough thing for us to research,

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Speaker 2: My point to this says, Ashley, if you're in the

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Speaker 2: Would it just best be like, I get I get it,

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Speaker 4: I don't know, thinking about my experience and the few

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Speaker 2: Nobody knows that better than our own, Ashley.

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Speaker 4: It's usually like the villain alongside somebody who's been quite

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Speaker 2: Would you, Ashley then say that you're two on one

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Speaker 2: One of the most epic two on ones ever, So

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Speaker 2: Ashley walk us through this. Tanner and Sean obviously are

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Speaker 4: Well, for me personally, I was just annoyed that I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 2: It feels like to me, something that'd be really hard

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Speaker 2: At this point, they're both looking for validation. Neither of

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Speaker 2: You're very sick of sending people home. You're tired of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I've been fine. I mean, I actually think

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Speaker 3: Rings true for the AAR and B.

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Speaker 2: No since then, In fact, I feel like he's kind

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Speaker 4: Down, mm hmm. There's something about him just doesn't shine

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Speaker 2: Well, I think initially, you know, he had that first

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Speaker 2: I think that one on one has definitely pushed him

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Speaker 2: mean I think these other the other three have rose

442
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 2: far above him, well well in terms of the sparkles

443
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 2: and the chemistry and the connection and the memories and

444
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 2: all and the good things that we point to when

445
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 2: we say, okay, these people will be the final three.

446
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. But we had a huge ding with Xavier

447
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 4: in this episode during the date. Well, first off, should

448
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 4: we talk about how they have the how Dowton goes

449
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 4: on another date?

450
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's important.

451
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 4: Too, before we get there. Yeah, I think.

452
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 2: It's important to talk about how he gets the one

453
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 2: on one back to back weeks. That is a wild

454
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 2: decision from Charity.

455
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 3: I don't say it's a good or bad decision.

456
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 2: It's just a wildly aggressive decision on her part, meaning

457
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 2: that you don't see it often. I don't know if

458
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 2: I can remember the last time I see it, But

459
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 2: back to back weeks, I think you're sending a message

460
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 2: to not only the person you ask on the one one,

461
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 2: but also the group that I want to spend as

462
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 2: much time as possible with this human and I don't

463
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 2: care how it looks or how it's going to go.

464
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 4: If you are a member of the cast that is

465
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 4: staying home in a situation like this, I bet you

466
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 4: if you're trying to talk yourself into the fact that

467
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 4: maybe she needs another date with him before going into

468
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 4: hometowns because she wasn't completely sure after week before that,

469
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 4: just you know, to make yourself feel better.

470
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're saying your head, I think this date

471
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 2: in itself proved that theory to be very false, because

472
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 2: they have a great time. They have an incredible I

473
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 2: think it's a fun date. They do to Crescent City Classic.

474
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 2: There how many miles that I don't know how many

475
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 2: miles it was, but it was a it was a

476
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: fun run. I doubt they took it very serious, but

477
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 2: they had a good time doing it. They it looked

478
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 2: when you watched it like this is a couple that's

479
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: just doing a random Saturday activity together, Like they signed

480
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 2: up for a fun around. They did it, they thought

481
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 2: it was great. They'll go out to lunch afterwards or

482
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 2: dinner afterwards and hang out and talk about how funny

483
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 2: it was. This their connection is strong. I think all

484
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 2: the guys probably at this point, are understanding that the

485
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: evening portion of their date is as good as what

486
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: we would expect. It's deep, it's true, the I love yous,

487
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 2: there's tears.

488
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 3: You know.

489
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 2: Charity since the beginning has never shied away from us

490
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 2: really seeing who she was into and who she's not into.

491
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 2: I think after this date, though, I do feel like

492
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 2: their relationship is obviously very strong.

493
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 3: There was a moment though, during this day I said, oh.

494
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 4: No, what because she's like two zoned in.

495
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:57,959
Speaker 2: No, I think she's gonna have a really hard time

496
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 2: at the end. I think she has a couple because

497
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 2: I think she has a couple guys that she's really into,

498
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 2: and I think right now he is still the one

499
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 2: that you would say, yeah, there's the best connection. Obviously

500
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: they've had two one on ones, but I think the

501
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 2: other I think there's two other guys Joey and Xavier,

502
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 2: that she might almost feel equally as into.

503
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 3: After next week's episode.

504
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 4: Okay, well, obviously we do know she's told us that

505
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 4: she fell in love with two people, and that's the

506
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 4: hardest desition she'll love to drift to make at the end.

507
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 4: I still think that he's so far above everybody else.

508
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 4: I just think that she doesn't have she doesn't like.

509
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 4: Eliminating people doesn't come easy to her. Hence the whole

510
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 4: two on one thing, yeah, which we never even really said,

511
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 4: Like she said, I'm not giving you guys a rose.

512
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 4: We're gonna take either out the rest of the week

513
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 4: and see how it goes.

514
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: And self admittedly, Charity says that her indecisiveness has been

515
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 2: an issue in the past, and there's no more difficult

516
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 2: time when you're indecisive then in the final three weeks

517
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 2: of this show, when you have multiple people that you're

518
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 2: into and multiple people that you're gonna have to hurt

519
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 2: and in order to get to the end. And if

520
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 2: she's indecisive, she self admittedly says, I'm indecisive. Yea, then

521
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 2: this is gonna be really hard for her. But then

522
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 2: it's going to be exhausting. I think that she would

523
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 2: leave right now with Dotton. See I don't know really

524
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: like I really think she would just end it right now.

525
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 2: But at the end of this episode, after the the

526
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: weirdness of Xavior and the fact that he's like scared

527
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 2: of commitment, which we'll get to in a second.

528
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 4: And then the fact that Joey, Yes, Joey is the

529
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 4: other one that I predict that she falls in love

530
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 4: with because it's easy and fun. I just think the

531
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 4: dotten thing is just it's really intense and they are

532
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 4: like in a more soulmate connection.

533
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 2: Ashley, if a guy can sit down with you and

534
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 2: tell you, hey, I have a fear of committing to

535
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: one person, and that fear is fair. Fear is a

536
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: very fair fear. That is not a crazy fear, that

537
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 2: is not something that we should that at all. I'm

538
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: watching that being like Xavier, why would you say that

539
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: out loud? No, I think it's a real fear for somebody,

540
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 2: especially on this show, especially when you don't know the

541
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 2: person super well, and especially when you're dating multipeople one time.

542
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 2: But if he can say that to her and she

543
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: still says like I want you here, yeah, I think

544
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 2: that relationship is going to be a late bloomer. I

545
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 2: think we're going to see it really come out and shine.

546
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 3: Oh.

547
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 4: I was not sure. I don't know. I should not

548
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 4: like hearing that. I was concerned. I'm not concerned when

549
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 4: somebody doesn't have a real relationship going to the show

550
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 4: like hasn't had a serious relationship because I was obviously

551
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 4: that person. But I was never afraid of commitment. I

552
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 4: was like for commitment, and I don't have any reason

553
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 4: to think why Xavier would be scared of commitment. His

554
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 4: parents have been married for forty years.

555
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: Well, because Astley, it's a wild thought, right, And I

556
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: think it shows that he's taking it serious, that he's

557
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: looking at saying, here, charity, if we end up together

558
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 2: at the end. I'm looking this at this like we're

559
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 2: going to be together forever. And yes, I've never had

560
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 2: a forever relationship. I don't know necessarily how to even

561
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 2: do that. I want to try my best at making

562
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 2: it the best thing possible. However, it's concerning to me.

563
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: I'm scared because I don't know how I'm going to

564
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: be in that. I think it's a very honest admission.

565
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 4: It is an honest admission. I like that he's telling

566
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 4: her this upfront. He doesn't want to take her by

567
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 4: surprise if he does get a little bit further in this,

568
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 4: which he obviously is. I think it's his first I

569
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 4: think he's the first warning to her that he may

570
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 4: not be ready to propose. I think that he would.

571
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 4: He's maybe saying is that I take commitment very seriously

572
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 4: and I don't want to take that propose step if

573
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 4: I'm not one hundred percent sure, which again I always

574
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 4: find to be respectable because knowing somebody for eight weeks

575
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 4: and spending as very little time as we get on

576
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 4: the show, it's pretty normal to say that you're afraid

577
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 4: of proposing.

578
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 3: I think that's the point.

579
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: Is what Xavier saying is normal, and he is fully fair,

580
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 2: and he is fully right to admit these things. Now,

581
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: two guys that do start to admit things is Sean

582
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: and Tanner. We can wrap this up into kind of

583
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: one big storyline. They both kind of pour their hearts

584
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: out to Charity, and as expected, I don't think any

585
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: of us are shocked both Sean and Tanner are going

586
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: home this week. Charity says, Hey, the feelings just aren't mutual.

587
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 2: I can't give you what you're telling me you feel

588
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 2: about me, So you're both going home. It's not shocking

589
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: to anybody. This was not an episode with a big exit.

590
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: We saw this coming two weeks ago.

591
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 4: Yes, however, I do I want to mention that when

592
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,719
Speaker 4: Sean like pulls her aside and basically is like, I

593
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 4: really want to let you know how strongly I'm feeling

594
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 4: he's trying to get an upper hand before having to

595
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 4: wait till the very end of the week and not

596
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 4: go on the group date. Yeah, and whenever somebody does that,

597
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 4: it totally backfi us do. Whenever somebody pushes to get

598
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 4: the rose at a time like this never never ever works.

599
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 3: Well, I think he was.

600
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm Sean doesn't seem like an unintelligent man.

601
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 2: I'm sure he was sitting in his room being like,

602
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 2: all right, I got one Hail Mary shot here, I guess. So, yeah, like,

603
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 2: let's go for it, because I know that I'm either

604
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: going home in a day or I'm going home now,

605
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: so let's just see what happens.

606
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 4: And because I never really felt like their connection was intense,

607
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 4: it does come across from me. And maybe I'm wrong

608
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 4: that it's just like I need to win. I want

609
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 4: the rose and not like I want the girl type situation.

610
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 3: Fair.

611
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,479
Speaker 4: I'm not saying he doesn't like her. He definitely likes her.

612
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: I could see that, Yeah, Like I could see the

613
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: competition side of the competition thing.

614
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, which you hate, I know you hate when this

615
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 3: is you as.

616
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 4: A competition, doesn't everybody?

617
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I think that's fair. But yeah,

618
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: I can see that, and I don't disagree with you

619
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: on it. Well, Ashley Tanner and Sean are going home.

620
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: Xavier was the only other person that was kind of

621
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: up in the air on if they were going to

622
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: go home or not. And Charity really wants him to stay,

623
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: so we go into hometowns next week.

624
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 4: But Ben, you didn't have any hesitance when she was

625
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 4: sitting there with that rose in front of him and

626
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 4: she held the rose, I was like, Uh, we're gonna

627
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 4: get faked out. He's going home. No, you didn't have

628
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 4: that feeling at all.

629
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: No.

630
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: I think what we've seen from Charity so far is

631
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: that she really respects honesty, It really respects.

632
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 3: Words of affirmation.

633
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: I think she really is is drawn to people who

634
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: say what they feel, and I think she is somebody

635
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: that only likes somebody to say what they feel when

636
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: she also trusts what they have to say. And I

637
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 2: think for in this situation, maybe I was just off.

638
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 2: I viewed Xavier's conversation with her as one that was honest,

639
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: not hurtful. It wasn't saying he's not into it wasn't

640
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: saying that he doesn't want to pursue it. He wasn't

641
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: saying that he isn't that she I think she looked

642
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 2: at it and said, I get it, like I understand

643
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: what you're saying.

644
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 3: I understand your fears.

645
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: You haven't said that you want to go home, in fact,

646
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 2: want to stay. And so now when you tell me something,

647
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: I know that you mean it. And so I never

648
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: doubted it because I would have been more shocked if

649
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: you would have gone home, because I would have said,

650
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: you know, I would have at that point said, Charity,

651
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: what did you want from him? Did you just want

652
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: him to sugarcoat this whole thing and never tell you

653
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: the truth? And then at the end be like, hey, yeah,

654
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 2: by the way, I was really scared two weeks ago

655
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: because I didn't think I commit somebody. I think she enjoyed,

656
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: or not enjoyed. I think she appreciates somebody being genuine

657
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: in this wildly unfamiliar experience that it's hard to be

658
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: genuine within.

659
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 4: I was so thrown off. I was watching on my

660
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 4: computer with a mirror behind me, and I caught my

661
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 4: facial expression and I was like, huh, I was so

662
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 4: shocked that he was saying what he was saying, because

663
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 4: to me, my interpretation was just giving you a heads up.

664
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 4: I'm not one hundred percent sure about you right now.

665
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 4: I really thought that. So we'll see how that plays

666
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 4: out and who's right, who's got instinct is right about

667
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 4: I love Xavier. I want him to be around. He's

668
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 4: my second favorite for her after Dotton, But I do

669
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 4: think it's it's a warning. We'll see. Of course, it

670
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 4: was the right decision to keep him, because I mean,

671
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 4: you have another week as mine, as we'll take the

672
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 4: opportunity to get to know all of them as well

673
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 4: as you possibly can. Even if you're meeting family, which

674
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 4: you know it's overrated. Just show meeting family situation. It's

675
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 4: not like as serious as it probably would be.

676
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 2: It's not as overrated my book. That thing was intense, could.

677
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 4: The most intense week for the lead for sure. I

678
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 4: feel so bad for the lead going into hometowns because

679
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 4: like it's battered.

680
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just come out of it feeling beat up,

681
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 2: like you're leading everybody on. You feel like the worst

682
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 2: human in the world. Then you're like, hey, don't worry.

683
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 2: Fantasy Sweets is next week, so hey, we'll be all better, like, no,

684
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: it's hard.

685
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 3: It's weird.

686
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm good. Yeah, you know better than I though, Yeah,

687
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 4: my bad.

688
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 3: So going in the next week, Ashley, your top three are.

689
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 4: My top three are still. I'm putting Xavier in my

690
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 4: top three, even though, like I wouldn't be surprised if

691
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 4: he does chicken out once he gets to that top three,

692
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 4: and then Dotton and then Joey, and I definitely think

693
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 4: Aaron Bie gets elimited in next week.

694
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Speaker 3: I agree.

695
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 2: I think that's my three as well. I'll have Xavier

696
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 2: as number one, I'll have Dot number two, Joey's number three.

697
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: I think Aaron b will be going home next week,

698
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: and I have a theory that it's on his own accord.

699
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 4: Why is that theory?

700
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: I just think that this is going to get too tough.

701
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: I think she he is going to start really expressing

702
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: feelings towards her, She's not gonna be able to reciprocate,

703
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 2: and as a result, he goes home. I don't know

704
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: this is my theory, but I just see it playing

705
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: out that way because I feel like he's at a

706
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 2: breaking point and if he doesn't get something soon from Charity,

707
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 2: then this whole thing is going to erupt and Aaron

708
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 2: b will be going home.

709
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 3: But who knows.

710
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: We'll wait and see. It's gonna be week six of

711
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,479
Speaker 2: the season of The Bachelor. It's gonna be week six.

712
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 4: Really, it's so freaking fast. Okay, so what do you

713
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 4: make of that guy who we don't have a label

714
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 4: for that says like you have you really seen the

715
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 4: other side of Joey?

716
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 3: I thought that was Joey's dad.

717
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,919
Speaker 4: Okay, probably is young, yeah, you know, probably just young.

718
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: I don't make much of it because I don't think

719
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: I don't think a parent, Like that's a big thing

720
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: for parents to say on nationally national television about their son, like, hey,

721
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 2: I know the real Joey. Do you think you've really

722
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 2: seen the real Joey? Because what is the follow up there?

723
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: We didn't see the follow up to his statement, like

724
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 2: the real Joey is carrying and genuine and this is

725
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: how he spends his life. Like, I think that's probably

726
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 2: where it goes, because if not, it's like, have you

727
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 2: seen the real Joey? Because he sucks like he's terrible. Like,

728
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 2: I don't see a parent doing that to their child

729
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 2: on national television.

730
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 3: I just don't.

731
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 4: Okay, this is how I see it. I think that

732
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 4: he is going to tell her that he's more of

733
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 4: a free spirit than she knows. He moved to Hawaii

734
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 4: to be a tennis coach. He kind of just does

735
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 4: what he feels, and he's not sure if like he's

736
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 4: totally ready to have like a that settled down in life.

737
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 3: Sure, and that's fair and she can go.

738
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 4: I get it's silly theory, but that's mine.

739
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a big deal.

740
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 2: It's nothing to fret about, it's nothing to like start

741
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: thinking about. I think it's a really great line in

742
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: a preview for an episode that is going to play

743
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 2: out exactly like we expect. And then, in my opinion,

744
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: it's all up in the air once we get down

745
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: to the final three. I can't tell you how how

746
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 2: it works out, or how it happens or what goes on.

747
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: I just will be shocked if anybody but Aaron B

748
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 2: does not go home this that next week. I think

749
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: he has to go home. I think it's his time

750
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: to go home. I think he's holding on by a thread. Ashley,

751
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: we do have to get the headlines here, let's do it.

752
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 4: But I'm very excited about next week. I will say

753
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 4: that next week's teaser it looks like one of the

754
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 4: more juicy teasers.

755
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. So far, I've enjoyed this season. I've been hooked.

756
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: I've enjoyed watching each episode. I don't think the drama

757
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: is as high as past seasons, which has been enjoyable.

758
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,479
Speaker 4: I have missed totally fine.

759
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: I have missed some of the cliffhangers that like really

760
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: get my heart pumping, or I'm like, how could somebody

761
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: say and do that. I've missed that a little bit,

762
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: but not enough to not want to watch the next

763
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: episode because I do want to see how Charity's you know,

764
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 2: story plays out. But I have missed a little bit

765
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 2: of drama. This has been a very drama free season.

766
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 3: In my opinion.

767
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: You haven't had a lot they've they've pulled out. I

768
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: think they've shown us all drama that has existed, and

769
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: it's been very little.

770
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 4: Did you were you sad that you missed the Braiden

771
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 4: interview last week?

772
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? Very sad. How'd it go?

773
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 4: I think it went very well. I think you would

774
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 4: have liked it more afterward. Really, Yeah, Well, a lot

775
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 4: of it has to do with the fact, like he

776
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 4: showed he was at work, like in his scrubs doing

777
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 4: the interview and he works in the psych word.

778
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 3: Oh wow, okay, yeah, well thanks for doing that. Yeah.

779
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: Listeners, if you haven't listened to the Braiden Interview, go

780
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: back listen to it actually does an incredible job. I

781
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 2: would have loved to be there, but I was driving

782
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: through the heartland of the United States, my way back

783
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: to Denver.

784
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 4: With the dog, with the man and his dog and

785
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 4: his truck.

786
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 3: That's right, were you in a truck?

787
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 4: I what a country song?

788
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 3: What a country song.

789
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 2: It's time for headlines, Bachelor Nations, Raving Gates and Adam

790
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 2: welcome second baby.

791
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 3: Let's go woo do woo.

792
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 4: I can't believe she had another baby, Like it feels

793
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 4: like yesterday that Raydon and I were going back and

794
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 4: forth via voice message and text and all that when

795
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 4: we gave birth, because we gave birth like ten days

796
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 4: of each other. She showed her, she told her story.

797
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,439
Speaker 4: She's just the best. I love her so much. She's

798
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 4: just the cutest little thing in the entire world, and

799
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 4: such a strong mama. She gave birth yesterday on her

800
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 4: thirty second birthday. We don't know whether it's a girl

801
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 4: or a boy. Yet they never did a gender. I

802
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 4: don't know why I'm so invested in I want to know.

803
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 4: But it was her birthday. The sea section just landed

804
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 4: on that day and it was a scheduled sea section

805
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 4: multiple reasons. You can go to Raven for all the

806
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 4: explanation on that. And it went very very well. Her

807
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 4: first birth was extremely traumatic. It ended in an emergency

808
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 4: sea section. I'm so glad that this one went easy, pasy.

809
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 4: They went to the hospital at like five thirty am.

810
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 4: It's kind of like your routine surgery. And the baby

811
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 4: was born eight pounds six ounces, which is around the

812
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 4: weight that Gates was born, and he's twenty one inches long.

813
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 4: They kind of had some fun on social media about

814
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 4: how big the kid would be, especially since Gates is

815
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 4: a very large eighteen month old. That kid looks like

816
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 4: a full blown two and a half year old. Anyway,

817
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 4: congratulations to the couple. They are so amazing. We're so

818
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 4: happy for them, so happy that it was a smooth

819
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 4: delivery this time.

820
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 2: Very happy for them. What a great couple. One couple

821
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: that you know doesn't get, you know, talked about. I

822
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: don't think as from the bachelor, but part of that

823
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 2: is because they've, Yeah, they lived their life and they're

824
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: doing great at it.

825
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 4: Well.

826
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: Abigail and Noah, another Bachelor in Paradise couple, are moving

827
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: to Oklahoma. The quote is half y'all are so concerned, ashlely,

828
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 2: what does that mean?

829
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 4: Okay, So they've been living in San Diego together for

830
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 4: the last two years and they just announced a couple

831
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 4: of weeks ago on social that they are moving to Oklahoma.

832
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 4: They bought a house, they're ready to plant roots there,

833
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 4: and even people are just going crazy asking why Tulsa,

834
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 4: and Abigail wrote, half of y'all are so excited for us,

835
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 4: and half of y'all are so concerned. Fair I didn't

836
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 4: know anything about Tulsa un till two years ago. But

837
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 4: here's some reasons why we chose Tulsa for our home base,

838
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 4: she said. One, the cost of living it would have been,

839
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 4: and they've had to spend two to three times more

840
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 4: on house to get everything that they wanted in California,

841
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 4: and we kept renting and they were ready to just

842
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 4: be homeowners, said friends and family. We want to be

843
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 4: closer to people, our people, and for a couple of reasons,

844
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 4: we decided that we didn't want to settle down in Oregon,

845
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 4: which would be where she's from. She said, my parents

846
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 4: are visiting mean September, so operation get them to move

847
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 4: to Tulsa with me starts now. She also says she

848
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 4: likes the slower pace living. I love living in the Portland,

849
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 4: New York City, La San Diego area. But I'm so

850
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 4: fortunate for those experiences, but I realized that what I

851
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 4: did not like. She says she loves a slower pace,

852
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 4: a small town feel of Tulsa. It reminds her of

853
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 4: a lot of where she grew up and where she's happiest,

854
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 4: and she's excited to show the following all about their

855
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 4: life in Tulsa. I do believe that Noah is from

856
00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 4: the Tulsa area.

857
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 3: I think so too.

858
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

859
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: Matt, James and Rachel address breakup rumors. We've been through

860
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: so much according to Bachelor.

861
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 4: Nation, She said, I think that we've been through so

862
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 4: much at this point that nothing really phazes us. I

863
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 4: get it because we're together so much. Whenever our schedules

864
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 4: don't line up, or whenever we have things going on solo,

865
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 4: people start speculating. I do think that it comes from

866
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 4: a place of love, and like, people just worry about

867
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 4: us as a couple because they're so invested in us.

868
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 4: But yeah, she just said, you know, when they do

869
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 4: have a few weeks off doing separate things, everybody worries.

870
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 4: But they're very much together right now.

871
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: Happy for them, they're still doing great. Well, that's all

872
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: we have for you today, and this has been another

873
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: episode of the Almost Famous Podcasts. We'll be back next week.

874
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: I'm breaking down Week six of the Bachelorette. But until then,

875
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: I've been Ben, I've been Ashley.

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Speaker 4: See by follow.

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Speaker 1: The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: or subscribe wherever you listen to podcast.

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Speaker 3: Yes,