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Speaker 2: Joining me is Lieutenant Captain Dan Rubinstein a board here

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Speaker 2: on the ship, Sir, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm great? And this I've just realized is not a

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Speaker 1: nautical term, but it could be. Are you familiar with

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Speaker 1: What does safe harbor mean?

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Speaker 2: Safe harbor means that you go to a place where

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Speaker 2: No no, no, hold on, We're not doing the Dennis Franz

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying the rules are a little bit looser

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Speaker 2: slash pick them. It's an address you're familiar with because

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's correct. I mean, Trevor Lawrence. There's

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Speaker 2: He's Heisman caliber for sure. Yeah, Heisman caliber for sure.

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Speaker 2: More beautiful, Daniel, How does this game work?

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Speaker 1: So ty? When we are you and I sailing to

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Speaker 1: But I don't think that's everything. I think teams try.

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Speaker 2: As we get into our official Bowl preview or we

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Speaker 2: there's more on the line for them, right there. Just

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Speaker 2: means more, thank you. There are countless examples of teams

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Speaker 2: not right all the time, but it's a primary component

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Speaker 1: Well, let me say this. Let me start here. Generally speaking, here,

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Speaker 2: So I will generally strike any team that lost a coach. Okay,

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Speaker 2: two notable exceptions this year, one being Washington. They haven't

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Speaker 1: And it's against Boise State. Be a very poetic way

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Speaker 2: The other one I was looking at was Florida State. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I feel like people are overvaluing ASU. They have all year,

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Speaker 2: But in almost every other case, I dock that team

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Speaker 1: It's difficult to mine for Bill Stewart's May he rest

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Speaker 1: in peace. Doesn't mean I'm picking against app State. I

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Speaker 1: still the gap States the better team. They're not going

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Speaker 2: But that's the first thing I look at. The second

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Speaker 1: Of the year. Don't want to give them a look. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: No, I mean, Miami is your classic, Like, how far

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Speaker 2: Miami ran out of gas a mile ago and have coasted, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think Charlotte is going to be quite excited to

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Speaker 1: for Will Healy shows up in this is the This

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Speaker 1: is the Bahamas Bulls, the first one December twentieth, shows

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Speaker 1: they might get trucked by Buffalo, It's entirely possible, but

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Speaker 2: Let me posit a different theory for you. Okay, which

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Speaker 1: Uh? Utah, Utah Utes, Baylor Bears. Now I'm talking to Utah.

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Speaker 1: You got it right the first Oh Utah. Okay, there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Utah going to the Alamo Dome, San Antonio squaring

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Speaker 2: But okay, the proverbial wind I'm assuming is out of

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Speaker 1: That's such a weird way to define this matchup. Texas

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Speaker 1: Texas in maybe a slightly disingenuous way, That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to sell the twos cruise. Damn'm trying to

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Speaker 1: Utah looked terrible last year against Northwestern in San Diego.

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Speaker 2: I'm just curious to see how Utah looks in that game,

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Speaker 1: By the way, along the coaching lines of Texas Utah.

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Speaker 1: We do know that Tom Herman gets jacked up for

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Speaker 1: Tom Herman is going to hire a couple of great

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you the natural trap for me. The natural

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Speaker 2: and it's Auburn. Auburn is favored by seven and a half.

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Speaker 2: And I was in a similar situation a year ago

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Speaker 2: and I remember thinking, I remember and you cautioned me

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Speaker 2: does Auburn care about paying about playing Purdue? And in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they lost six, three.

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Speaker 2: To fourteen in that game, Dan, I was dead wrong.

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Speaker 2: So maybe not a testament to my little formula here,

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Speaker 1: Sometimes there is an element of does one team have

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Speaker 1: off of them. I think, I agree, I think, and

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Speaker 1: it's it helps that and if you remember Alabama, I

434
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Speaker 1: think faced off against Michigan State in was it a

435
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Speaker 1: Capital One Bowl a while back, and it was like

436
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Speaker 1: a forty one to seven game. Now starting quarterback I

437
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 1: presume was healthy. I think the fact that it is

438
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Speaker 1: Michigan and it's not I'm going to be terribly insulting

439
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: to somebody, so I'll just you know, it's not Minnesota,

440
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 1: where I think it would be more difficult for Alabama

441
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 1: to get up for a game like that. The fact

442
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Speaker 1: that Jim Harbaugh is on the other sideline, that there

443
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 1: are NFL players on the Michigan defense, the fact that

444
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: there are top flight receivers really on both teams, but

445
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: on Michigan wearing you know, Mason blue. I think that

446
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: makes it easier, even though Alabama certainly had designs of

447
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 1: going to the playoff with Tua. Right, So I still

448
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: think Alabama's up for this game, and I still think

449
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 1: they're comfortably better. So did I play this game correctly?

450
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Oh it's unclear, But I mean, just

451
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Speaker 1: going through if I just name teams and I won't

452
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: put you on the spot, you know too dramatically here

453
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: with you know, teams from very different conferences, but like

454
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Speaker 1: North Carolina Temple right, year one of Rod Carey for Temple,

455
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: certainly a lot of changes in Philly, North Carolina probably

456
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Speaker 1: happy to be in a bowl game after taking some

457
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Speaker 1: years off. Larry Fedora. It feels like, I mean, it's

458
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: what it's in Maryland, so you can get a lot

459
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Speaker 1: of Tar Heel fans there. I feel like North Carolina

460
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Speaker 1: is probably the happier team. There's excitement about Sam Howell

461
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: and Mac Brown agreed, agreed, and it should be a

462
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: nice matchup North Carolina's offense against Temple's defense. Oklahoma State,

463
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Speaker 1: Texas A and m who is super into going to

464
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: Houston for all the way from college Station, Texas and

465
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Speaker 1: still Water, Oklahoma. Is Oklahoma State happy with you know,

466
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Speaker 1: they lose a couple, you know, big players in Spencer Sanders,

467
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: Tylan Wallace. Texas A and M very difficult schedule bright spots.

468
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 1: Is it difficult for Texas A and M to go

469
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Speaker 1: against a former Big twelve opponent of theirs and essentially

470
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Speaker 1: play in Texas A and M suburbs?

471
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Speaker 2: I think A and M is going to drill Oklahoma State. Ooh,

472
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Speaker 2: I like that they are going to drill Oklahoma State.

473
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: I've been waiting for this Bowl matchup, not specifically against

474
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Speaker 2: Oklahoma State, but facto home game.

475
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Speaker 1: Well the facto home game.

476
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Speaker 2: But I've been waiting for A and M's matchup because

477
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 2: we knew this going into the year that their schedule

478
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 2: was gangbusters. They had to have a miracle season to

479
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 2: put together like a nine win year five. They fell

480
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 2: now to the Texas Bowl, and I was ready willing

481
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: and able to bet pretty much sight unseen on A

482
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Speaker 2: and M regardless of who they played. So Oklahoma State,

483
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 2: they'll have their work cutout for him trying to stop

484
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 2: Chewba Hubbard. But I think A and M's one of,

485
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Speaker 2: if not the best seven to five teams in the country.

486
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Speaker 1: The Holiday Bowl features an Iowa team who year and

487
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: in year out, you seem to know what you're getting

488
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: from them, top flight defense, maybe a couple offensive playmakers,

489
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: but in a system that's not terrific. And a USC

490
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: team who finished the year with two very different emotions

491
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: or at least on the field, a ton of confidence

492
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: and yardage and points blowing out their rival. I mean,

493
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: we're really scoring a ton of points on the rival.

494
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: I think they finished winning what five of six off

495
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: They have the best true freshman quarterback in the country.

496
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Speaker 1: Probably maybe it's a conversation between Sam Howel and Keaton Slovas.

497
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Speaker 2: See I I think USC is the perfect storm of

498
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 2: Bowl success here because not only did they meet one

499
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: of my first qualifiers there where they got better, I

500
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: think they got better down the stretch ket and Slovas

501
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 2: surely did. And secondly, I think they get a little

502
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: bit of a boost knowing that they're not losing their coach,

503
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 2: They're retaining Clay Helton. I think if you're on the team,

504
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 2: you feel good about that.

505
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: No one on the Tian Merrill's poking around, though, well,

506
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 1: I'm still uncertainty with what the what the coaching staff

507
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: is going to look like as a whole.

508
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 2: There is uncertainty, but they're keeping the head guy, and

509
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 2: I think that's reason for optimism here in this game.

510
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: I was only a one point favorite. Vegas is every

511
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 2: bit is confused about this game, as the rest of US.

512
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: I did make my picks, I didn't go through them.

513
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: I haven't done that yet.

514
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: I put a whole lot of research in but at

515
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 2: at first blush, I'm going USC.

516
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Speaker 1: Here's your I'm looking this up as we are doing this.

517
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: Iowa against Big ten teams, the number five team in

518
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: the country, opposing quarterback rating. Change it to FBS winning

519
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: teams thirty seventh. Yeah, so hard to fully gauge what

520
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: Iowa's pass defense is going to look like against a

521
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: pretty good USC team. But either way, I think that's

522
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: actually one of my nine or ten Bowl games I'm

523
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: looking forward to most, maybe even higher. I agree. So

524
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: I think Iowa actually is happier to be there than USC,

525
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: just because of all the noise surrounding USC, even though

526
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: they know the Trojans finished the year a pretty exciting way.

527
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: Notre Dame Iowa State. Yeah, where's the care factor for you? There?

528
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: Iowa State. I hype them up as much as I

529
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: possibly could. They come up short a couple times where

530
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: they really had a chance to win nine or ten games,

531
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Speaker 1: taking on a Notre Dame team who seems to be

532
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: happy with their ten and two year and being competitive

533
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: against good against everybody, essentially, So, what are your thoughts.

534
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: Notre Dame had quietly a very very November. They did.

535
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: By the time the calendar turned to November, they had

536
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: kind of fallen off the national radar, and so I

537
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: don't know if that got as much coverage as it deserved.

538
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: But they played really well. Ian book looked pretty good.

539
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: I think they're better top to bottom than Iowa State.

540
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: Iowa State's going to test them through the air, and

541
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: it figures to be a fun game. Notre Dame is

542
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 2: only about a field goal favorite going into this one.

543
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if this one really checks any of

544
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: the boxes in terms of an advantage for one team

545
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: or the other. I think both teams will be up

546
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: playing in this game.

547
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: Notre Dame beating Iowa State is not a, you know,

548
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: a thing to take into the off season. The way

549
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: that Iowa State beating Notre Dame is it isn't.

550
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: But I don't think Notre Dame is going to be

551
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: so let down that they come out and put in

552
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: a bad showing.

553
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: The red box ball. Oh yeah, you want to talk

554
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: is Oregon back in this game? Unfortunately, Oregon's going to

555
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: a startup game called the was Abel. I'm reading that incorrectly.

556
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: Florida Virginia, we don't need to talk about the red

557
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: box now.

558
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: Sorry.

559
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: Florida Virginia to me is interesting, Okay, Why well, I

560
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: don't think Virginia really thought they stood much of a

561
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: chance against Clemson. They make it to a New Year

562
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: six Bowl, Florida should beat the doors off of them.

563
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: I would think so, yes, But there is an element

564
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: of Florida seeing their opponent and saying it's we're talking

565
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: about an acc coastal team that didn't really do much

566
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: to separate themselves from anybody else in the coastal. It's

567
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: not a headline program. It's not as if Florida got

568
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: to play against Baylor, which is a weird thing to say,

569
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: or Florida's not getting to play against usc even where

570
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: it's just like, oh, this is like a cool thing

571
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: that there's a bunch of super duper high level players

572
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: on the field that are going to be NFL type players.

573
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: Florida's not playing Wisconsin, They're not playing Michigan like they

574
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: did last year and blew them out. So I don't

575
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: know this one. To me, I think Virginia is going

576
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: to care more. I would agree with you on that one. Yeah,

577
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: Florida's not traveling away from their home state, which I

578
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: know is no new thing for the Gators. I don't know.

579
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: I think Virginia definitely cares and wants to be there more.

580
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: I think it just means more to the Who's what

581
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: about Georgia Baylor.

582
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm not excited to watch the game and I

583
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: think it's gonna be very defensive minded, but it is notable.

584
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: Of course, it's a New Year's six game, so that's

585
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: one thing. Secondly, as we talked about on the Sunday Show,

586
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: first Sugar Bowl since nineteen fifty seven for Baylor, I

587
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 2: think Matt Rule will have them fired up.

588
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

589
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: And on the other side, it's interesting because didn't Georgia

590
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: lose in the Sugar Bowl last year to Texas. They did,

591
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: so perhaps a redemption spot for the Bulldogs.

592
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: Yep, but they want to be in the PLAYFF right,

593
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: they were the number four team.

594
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: So I guess what I'm asking is which do you

595
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: trust in more Baylor's excitement about being there or the

596
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: redemption spot for Georgia not wanting to be in a

597
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: situation like they were last year when they dropped one

598
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: against Texas.

599
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but nobody talked about the Sugar Bowl against Texas

600
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: basically once the season started. That's just sort of an

601
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: off season narrative thing. I don't think there is a

602
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: revenge spot element of Georgia wanting to beat the Big

603
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: twelve team in the same bowl game they were in

604
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: last year. It's it's Baylor, the care factors Baylor. The

605
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: only difference to me is are Georgia's players so much

606
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: better and more talented than Baylor's that it doesn't make

607
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: a difference. I like Baylor because of the care factor here,

608
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: but I haven't really gone in deep but in terms

609
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: of just pure cares, my.

610
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 2: Answer this game was one that I was truly on

611
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: the fence about, and I think Georgia is the better team.

612
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: The players are better. If I were betting this game

613
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: in Week three, I would one hundred percent go Georgia.

614
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: But there are other factors at play when you get

615
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 2: into the postseason, and the care factor I think looms large.

616
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: Maybe debunked Dan, but yeah, it is something that I

617
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: pay attention to.

618
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: I have my own system that I will reveal once

619
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: we start picking the games, excell or the pick and pool.

620
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: My final question to you is Indiana, Tennessee and the

621
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: Gator Bowl in a beautiful tropical Jacksonville, Florida. Man, I

622
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: have no idea.

623
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: So I talked about Tennessee before Tennessee got better as

624
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: the year war on. Yeah, Indian has been pretty good

625
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: totally the full way through. Their issue was that they

626
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: ran into a bunch of buzzsaws back.

627
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: To back to back. Yeah, and Penn State and Penn

628
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: State thank you. So it's a good football team, uh huh.

629
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: I think at this point maybe more of a proven

630
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 2: entity just as a team. I just want care factor.

631
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: Who wants twenty nineteen more. I still think it's Indiana

632
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: against an SEC team. Raw.

633
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: I think both these teams are like pumped to be

634
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: in a bowl game, to finish their season and to

635
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: have the success and how competitive they were. Yeah, I

636
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 1: think everybody wants this for the first time being Jacksonville

637
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: fair enough, What is our next game? I was that

638
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: was my last one that I was curious care factor wise.

639
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: But if you have any others that jump out to

640
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: you to mention nothing that Minnesota wants to be in

641
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: the Outback Bowl more than Auburn.

642
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: Definitely, But I don't want to talk about that game

643
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: that could that could really ruin things for me.

644
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: Oregon Wisconsin feels pretty equal, right, oh, Wisconsin lost playoff design.

645
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 1: I have no idea who I'm picking in that game.

646
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: Oregon goes four and eight two years ago, three years ago,

647
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: whatever it was, and now here they are on the

648
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: Rose Bowl. I think they're pretty pumped. All right, Dan,

649
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: what's our what's our last game? Here? Seven? I don't

650
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: have a sound for this, and this is slightly forced

651
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: pun wise, but it's called or not or a r

652
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: both ors in the water, and so I just have

653
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: this is a conventional wisdom game. Because we have reached

654
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: the end of our pre bowl season, I guess the

655
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: regular season short of Army Navy, excuse me, So first question,

656
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: I got five of these. So upon reflection, we've seen

657
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: another select committee make their their top four picks. So

658
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: winning your conference ty your Power five conference, should it

659
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: be a college football playoff prerequisite? Now? I think six

660
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: years in or something or not a prerequisite. Yes. So

661
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: we've seen We've seen Alabama get in without winning their

662
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: conference and even their division. We've seen instances and conversations

663
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 1: around it doesn't matter what happened, like you said yourself,

664
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: matter what would happen in the Big Ten championship game.

665
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: Ohio State should be in. They ended up taking care

666
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: of business. But should that actually be It's a very

667
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: popular thing to say, win your conference and then you

668
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: can get into the playoff. No. No, I said it

669
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: like a week ago.

670
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 2: I said that if LSU lost, I could definitely see

671
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 2: them still being in.

672
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: I said it.

673
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: About, well, you could see them being Ohio State. I

674
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 2: thought Ohio State was in regardless. I thought that was

675
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: the right call.

676
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: They were. I'm not so good all year. I'm not

677
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: asking you to appraise what the committee will do. I

678
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: am saying the tie rule of law, the tie law,

679
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: if you will, Okay, sure you see what I did.

680
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: I like it. It's a football joke that I didn't

681
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: pre plan. Just it's later than usual. That's what happened,

682
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: thy law. Where where do you stand? I'm fine? You're

683
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: in charge. I'm fine with it. Okay, totally fine. That

684
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: has proven themselves in your mind, but has not won

685
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: their conference. I don't have a strong thought about this.

686
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: I try to have as strong a take as possible

687
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: about as much as I can in the sport. I'd

688
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 1: prefer it. I would definitely prefer it. I would.

689
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: I would prefer it too. I'm not going to be

690
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: closed minded. If they ever were to expand to eight teams,

691
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: then it would be a prerequisite. Then if you win

692
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 2: your conference, you're in. But help us for now, I'm

693
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: okay with the committee deciding who it feels the best

694
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: four teams are, regardless.

695
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: You have a preferred eight team model like five conference champions,

696
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: G five and two wild cards. That's what I prefer.

697
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: That's almost exactly it. Yeah, okay, the next or or

698
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: or not the Big twelve is heading back to wide

699
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: open quarterback and offensive excitement any given week or maybe

700
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: not so. These past few years, we've had Baker Mayfield,

701
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, Will Greery and Rudolph I'm forgetting a number.

702
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: You know, Sam Ellinger has been involved in shootouts, and

703
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 1: we've had great receivers at Oklahoma State we've had even

704
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: Kansas State, it's involved in occasional shootouts, and we've had

705
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 1: big time quarterbacks and we don't know what to expect.

706
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: You know, in Bedlam and Baylor, TCU, Bryce Petty, Tremon Boyken,

707
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 1: Kenny Trill, all these guys were capable of putting forty

708
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: five on the scoreboard in any given week. That wasn't

709
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: the case this year in the Big Twelve. No, not

710
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: at all. And a lot of that has to do

711
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: with new coaches and scheme changes and year one of

712
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 1: a lot of action and you know, some disappointment from teams.

713
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: Do you see us getting back to that level with

714
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: the addition of Matt Wells and Chris Cleman and Neil

715
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: Brown and Les Miles. Do we see part two of that?

716
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 1: When so much of this conference is reliant on Texas

717
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: for talent?

718
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: Oh man, I see it by maybe four teams at

719
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: the top. But Patrick Mahomes and person, sure, sure, yeah,

720
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: I see it by maybe four teams in in the

721
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 2: Big Twelve, certainly Oklahoma and Texas and Oklahoma State and

722
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 2: maybe Baylor if they can get their act together. Is

723
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 2: in that conversation Texas Tech was many wrong things this year,

724
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: but they were a lot of fun to watch an offense.

725
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: They were kind of they were without their starting quarterback too.

726
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, without their starting quarterback, Alan Bowmen British comedy legend

727
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: Alan Bowa. But wow, are we getting back? That's sort

728
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 2: of a loaded question. Are we getting back to wide

729
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: open Big twelve football?

730
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: Yeah? I say no. I say no. I expect West

731
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: Virginia to keep improving on offense, but they had a

732
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: singular offensive mind in Dana Holgerson for a long time,

733
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: built up a system, recruited Florida really well. I don't.

734
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: I think Neil Brown's good, but I don't think they

735
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: have an offensive mind like Dana Holgerson. I think Oklahoma

736
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: State will be pretty good, but I don't. You know, again,

737
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: they had Dana Holgerson as well. They Mike You're sick.

738
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: They tend to hire pretty well. So I think they're

739
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: still going to be pretty good Oklahoma. I don't have

740
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: concerns about Texas. Will see if they get Graham Harrell.

741
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: If they get Graham Harrell, Texas, yes, will will be

742
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: on that level in terms of being able to put

743
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: forty on anybody. But I don't think Matt Rule is

744
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: going to get to that point with Baylor just because

745
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 1: I don't think he really fancies that style.

746
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 2: No, No, that's a defense first right program down there.

747
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: I don't think Less Miles and Kansas are going to

748
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: get to that point. I don't think Kansas State is

749
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: going to try and the way that Matt Rule has

750
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: not tried to have that wide, wide open offense. So

751
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be an adjusted era of

752
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: Big twelve football. It could be an era with more defense.

753
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, if football cyclical, that would be

754
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 2: a nice change of pace with Big twelve.

755
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: Because you notice I didn't mention TC. I noticed a

756
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: lot of Kith right now? Next or not Georgia and

757
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: its offense. Did they simply run into an LSU juggernaut

758
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: or are there serious problems? They were able to get

759
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: by with defense pretty much all year or all year.

760
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: I mean, they lost South Carolina, but it wasn't because

761
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: of a horrible defense. Wow, is this a significant issue

762
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: that needs to be addressed given how well they recruit

763
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: and what we perceived their ceiling to be because of

764
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: their athletic level. Their athletic level is ridiculous. Sure, they

765
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: have recruited off the charts Kirby Smart has done a

766
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: remarkable job, but fiftieth in the nation in points per game.

767
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: I know that's not the only metric, but.

768
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I don't know how I feel about this.

769
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: I was very underwhelmed by Jake from this year. He

770
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: did a lot of the right stuff, a lot of

771
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 2: his experience, knows where to go at the ball. He's

772
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: a KG veteran at this point. He's not gonna lose

773
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: a game for you. But as I think was a parent,

774
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 2: especially with so many receivers going down, which wasn't his fault.

775
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 2: But when he has to singularly go out there and

776
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 2: win a game, I don't know if he's if he

777
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: if that's like the formula that is gonna do it

778
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: for Kirby Smart. This year's offense may have been so

779
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 2: underwhelming that it forces him to come back.

780
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: James Coley, offensive coordinator, has not really succeeded. No in

781
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: places that can recruit well and should be putting up

782
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: top twenty to twenty five offenses nationally.

783
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: This was a concern, yeah, about him taking over the offense.

784
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's a bit of a track record there.

785
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: I think they were fine. They were good under Jim Cheney.

786
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 2: They were really good and good offense, Yeah, really good.

787
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 2: So I don't know if it's a scheme thing. It's

788
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 2: certainly not a talent thing, so I need more data

789
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 2: on this one. They did run into a juggernaut of

790
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: lsulc's defense played lights out. Nobody is stopping that LSU offense.

791
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 2: So did they run into a juggernaut, yes, But are

792
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: their issues with the offense. I'm inclined to say yeah.

793
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 2: I don't think it's anything horrible. I think it's fixable.

794
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 2: But at the same time I expected more.

795
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: I think there's something wrong with the offense. I think

796
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: the long stretches they went and whether it was a

797
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: weather game, whether they did not play a schedule of

798
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: absolute killers. Defensively, they should be putting forty points on

799
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: everybody with an experienced quarterback with DeAndre Swift when the

800
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: and obviously receivers were out and out for parts of

801
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: the LSU game. They've put together top three recruiting classes.

802
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: They've had at times nine, ten to eleven blue chip receivers.

803
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: If they're not figuring out how to get to forty points,

804
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: thirty five points, thirty one points, I have them as

805
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: thirty first in points per drive. That's an issue. It's

806
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: all about the context of what you're trying to do.

807
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: Georgia's offense needs a serious revamping. All right, that's next question.

808
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 1: The Big Ten second tier. So I have it as Wisconsin, Michigan,

809
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 1: Penn State. You might have a problem with that because

810
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: I think there is Ohio State standing alone in the conference. Sure,

811
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: as we've seen this Yere. I don't think Minnesota is

812
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: there yet, just because we'd like to see it over

813
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: multiple years. Is that trio Wisconsin, Michigan, Penn State. Are

814
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: they closing the Ohio State gap even slightly or not? Really?

815
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk specifically about Penn State.

816
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: Okay, And Penn State is closing the gap at least

817
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: in one respect.

818
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: Your voice is going up? Is it bey on in

819
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 1: one respect?

820
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 2: In one respect? Yeah, and that is recruiting. They're still

821
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: not recruiting quite as well as Ohio State. Nobody is right.

822
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: According to the.

823
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 2: Blue Chip Ratio, Ohio State was first this season, so

824
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: they're tops in that game. But there is more depth

825
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 2: at Penn State than there has almost ever been. The

826
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 2: depth of talent that they have that James Franklin has

827
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: built up is what they're going to need to continue

828
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 2: having if they want to seriously challenge Ohio State on

829
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 2: the field.

830
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: So you need that. They're going to run into that

831
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 1: Georgia problem then where they have the talent, but especially

832
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: on offense, as we saw this year a pretty up

833
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: and down ride, are they going to like, what are

834
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: we doing with all this talent? We have kJ Hamler,

835
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: we can't get him going consistently. We have whoever, Noah Kane,

836
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: Journey Brown, Johan Dotson, I think justin Shorter left. But

837
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of talented dudes who can

838
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: tote the rock and they're not scoring a ton against

839
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: decent teams. And then you want to know why I'm

840
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: glad that Ricky Ronnie took the Monarchs job. Sure there

841
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: you go, yeah, okay, so you think that's oh that's

842
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: closing the gap by subtraction.

843
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 2: Well, yes, and no, I'm curious to see what a

844
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 2: new Week offense, if there is a Newalk offense, can

845
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 2: do for the team next year. They've got a lot

846
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: coming back. And furthermore, to my larger point here, I

847
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: just think there's more talent. There's more talent, at least

848
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: in that respect. They are somewhat closing the gap.

849
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: I think the gap is actually closing, and I'm not

850
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: sure whether it's anything that these three teams are doing.

851
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: I think just so Ohio State right now is what

852
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: they have a top what appears to be a top

853
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: five recruiting class. I presume that's probably gonna hold with

854
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: how they finish. Ryan Day inherited the world. He absolutely

855
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: inherited the world, and he brought on a former number

856
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: one quarterback in the country in Justin Fields. He inherited

857
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: an All American running back in jk He inherited in

858
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: All American Heisman finalist defensive end in Chase Young. He

859
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: hired really well see if Jeff Hafley six around on

860
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: that defense. But I think the gap is closing just

861
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: because it will be pretty much impossible to continue what

862
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: urban Meyer did in Columbus right, not to say he

863
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: won't call eleven in one every year, that's entirely possible.

864
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: I think Ohio State's gonna recruit crazy well still, and

865
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: it's going to be a stocked roster. But I think

866
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: the gap is closing just because it's impossible to say

867
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: Ohio State is just going to go twelve to zero

868
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: every year. No, No, I agree, sight unseen. So yeah,

869
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: I think the GAP's closing a little, but there's still

870
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 1: some room.

871
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, until we see a season in which Ohio State

872
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 2: loses to two of these teams, I think they've still

873
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 2: got a fair amount of breathing room.

874
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: You know, Ohio State plays in week two of next year.

875
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: Who you're Oregon Ducks and Adsen nice home and home. Yeah,

876
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: it should be pretty fun. Well week after Oregon plays

877
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: North Dakota State beautiful. It's terrifying. Final question here? Final

878
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: or not? You can read it off.

879
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: Someone from the PAC twelves middle class Oregon State, Cal Washington, UCLA,

880
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: or Arizona State, Yeah, can jump up or so a

881
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: note here, All of those teams that I read, all

882
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 2: five of them went four and five.

883
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and these are all the teams, all the teams

884
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: that were within a game of going five hundred. There

885
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: were no five and four teams. USC I think finished

886
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: seven to two. And then Oregon in Utah obviously the

887
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: class of the conference. Are we these are your middle

888
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: tier teams at least as it stands after twenty nineteen.

889
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: Okay, that was gonna be my question because I don't.

890
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 1: Can zoo has been very good.

891
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't consider Washington to be middle class.

892
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 1: You think they're on the upper tier.

893
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, it wasn't a great year for them, but

894
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: I still think the program is in the upper crust

895
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: of the PAC twelve.

896
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: Do you think that they can return to the level

897
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: they were? What was it twenty sixteen when they went

898
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: to the playoff? Like consistent double digits. It's Jimmy Lake.

899
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: We don't know what they're going to look.

900
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: Like incomplete hard to say, to say my gut is

901
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 2: no right, but I'll be rooting for Jimmy Lake.

902
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: UCLA Chip Kelly, Herm Edwards bringing in Hugh Jackson. Cal

903
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: They lost their offensive coordinator today, Bo Baldwin, I think

904
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: has taken over reportedly at cal Poly Jonathan Smith and

905
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: Oregon State coming on strong back half of the season. Yeah.

906
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: Is there room for one of these teams as you

907
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: see it? Is there? Do you have confidence in there

908
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 1: being room in the VIP room of the PAC twelve.

909
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 2: I'm confident that there's room, but I'm not confident that

910
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 2: any of these teams are going to occupy it.

911
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: So the other teams that are not mentioned here are

912
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: the University of Arizona, University of Colorado or yeah, University

913
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: of Colorado, let's see you, and Wazooka and Stanford. Wow, Stanford.

914
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: So now are we confident? Are you confident that Stanford

915
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: just had a disaster of a year or if it's

916
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: if it's slip time. It was such a disaster of

917
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: a year for them, wasn't it. Yeah? I think it's

918
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 1: slip time for Stanford.

919
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

920
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: I think we're seeing a ton of transfers. I think

921
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: there might be leg there may be legs to David

922
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: Shaw looking at the NFL, I don't know. How do

923
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: you feel about this question of these five teams specifically,

924
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: if this is what we're going to consider the mid tier,

925
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of faith. No, I don't

926
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,240
Speaker 1: have a lot of faith. I think the PAC twelve

927
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: is going to and you'd be pretty top heavy. I

928
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: think Oregon State can win seven or eight. I mean,

929
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: all these teams could win seven or eight. But in

930
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: terms of getting back into that exclusive room now, I

931
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: think it's just USC Utah and Oregon right now that.

932
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 2: I have the only team in here. Big confidence in

933
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 2: the only team in this group being that I feel

934
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 2: okay about would be Washington, but all the others, Yeah,

935
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 2: I feel okay, yeah, I think Washington's as close as

936
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 2: it gets. But they're incomplete. It's it's really hard to

937
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 2: make that presumption right now.

938
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: Incomplete. Okay, Well, there you have it?

939
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 2: Or not?

940
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: An archie bolago? Did I say that right? It's like no,

941
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: it's like an archipelago, so arcabolago.

942
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 2: Here here, here, it just me We love that sound

943
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 2: all right? You Well, we will be back on Thursday morning.

944
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: Yes, it's going to talk through other news. That's short

945
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: of break. What are we talking about? Yeah, I had

946
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: to think about it. Maybe get dive. We'll talk about

947
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: Army Navy.

948
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 2: We'll talk about some other stuff going on in and

949
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 2: around the world of college football.

950
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: Not doing the ball preview.

951
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 2: Next episode, but we're gonna get there in a hurry. Yes,

952
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: be sure to jump on in at solidverbal dot com

953
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 2: slash pick them if you want to join the bullpool,

954
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: or you can go on out to the website. We'll

955
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 2: put the link at the very top of solid verbal

956
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 2: dot com if you want to get on in, join

957
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 2: us in the fun as we pick through all forty

958
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 2: one of these football games.

959
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:33,439
Speaker 1: Dan oh, I am, I'm pretty excited. For Bowl season times.

960
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: Me too. I am. I do some cooking. I'm going

961
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: down to Florida the family for vacation and to watch

962
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: some games down there in the sunshine. I need a breather.

963
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: I need a breather. We've been on this boat. No,

964
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,959
Speaker 1: I'm hanging out here. What are you doing?

965
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 2: We've been on this boat so damn long, all season,

966
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 2: flowing around out here sand ghosts. Yeah, I need to

967
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: get back on land to just chill. Okay, fair enough,

968
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 2: Thank you to one and all for joining us aboard

969
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 2: the two his crews here. This is your Captain Tie

970
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 2: Hilding brand Captain Tie Hildon Brandt, alongside Lieutenant Captain Dan Rubinstein,

971
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: Fair winds and following seas will talk to you on

972
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 2: Thursday and I Menytimes, stay solid.

973
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Speaker 1: Peace