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Speaker 1: What is going on on the beautiful Monday, May seventeen,

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Speaker 1: two thousand one. I'm John middlecop is the Three and

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Speaker 1: Out Podcast. Thanks for coming by showing up listening again.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it, greatly appreciate it. We had a lot going

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Speaker 1: on this weekend with rookie minicamps. We're gonna do a

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Speaker 1: out about rookie minicamps. Urban Meyer gotta start with him.

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Speaker 1: He said something that I went that's not good. Trey

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Speaker 1: something at Steeler Camp that really jumped out to me. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And then of course Middlecoff mail bag at John Middlecoff

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Speaker 1: Big Week. Let's dive into Urban Meyer and I. I

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Speaker 1: saw this story over the weekend. I immediately wrote it

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Speaker 1: down on my notepad. I have a little three and

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Speaker 1: either immediately forwarded to my email or write it down

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Speaker 1: the notepad. This was one I had circled and Urban

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Speaker 1: Meyers had something after practice and really go back to

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Speaker 1: the third string running back. I don't that's it was

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Speaker 1: three down running back, big time player. Urban Meyer doesn't

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Speaker 1: view him a running back, moved him to wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: His quote after practice was, worst case scenario, you have

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Speaker 1: got no problem cross training players, working on wheel routes,

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Speaker 1: who even his last several years in Tampa, we're bad.

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Speaker 1: though his program, you know, it was like the wire

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Speaker 1: Urban's a big time coach. No one's ever argued that.

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Speaker 1: But I don't like Gruden who just went away. There's

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Speaker 1: a player, because I think we underestimate like the transition

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Speaker 1: from college to the pros. I know this. When I

427
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Speaker 1: left college. In college, I ended up not like the

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Speaker 1: last couple of years in college. I was bored. I

429
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Speaker 1: so much time on my hands. I I aspired to

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Speaker 1: do more. I was like, God, this is I'm not

431
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Speaker 1: enjoying this anymore. Now. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed

432
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Speaker 1: drinking on the weekends or whatever, but it was just

433
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Speaker 1: a lot of downtime. And once I started working, I

434
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Speaker 1: never had less time like when I went to work. Now. Granted,

435
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Speaker 1: I mean I went to work in football, but a

436
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Speaker 1: lot of my friends that went to work in finance

437
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Speaker 1: went to work at you know, go to work at

438
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Speaker 1: KPMG accounting firms, like the most you ever gonna work

439
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 1: the first four or five years once you leave college.

440
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Speaker 1: For us non football players, college is kind of a joke. Now,

441
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Speaker 1: if you're listening, and you went to a really good

442
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Speaker 1: school with your major was hard, you probably spent some

443
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Speaker 1: time in the library. I would only go to the

444
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Speaker 1: library sometimes just to power down my bricks burrito and

445
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: read the newspaper, not to study much. But for me,

446
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Speaker 1: college was I had more more than enough time for

447
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 1: nag Harris, he said, quote, we got hell of free

448
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Speaker 1: time compared to Alabama, and I think this rings true Fords.

449
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Speaker 1: It clems in Ohio State, at Michigan, at USC whatever, Texas,

450
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Speaker 1: Texas A and m Oklahoma. When you're a college football player.

451
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Speaker 1: I lived it when I was a g A at

452
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Speaker 1: Fresno State. It's crazy how much limited free time they

453
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Speaker 1: have because everything is either football oriented, working out oriented,

454
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Speaker 1: or school oriented. Now, obviously, every once in a while

455
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Speaker 1: you get a free night, but for the most part,

456
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Speaker 1: they have way less free time than all the students.

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Speaker 1: And then once they get to the workforce, if you're

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Speaker 1: Nagy Harris, you actually have way more free time on

459
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Speaker 1: your hands that you just had in college. But here's

460
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Speaker 1: the difference. You have a lot of money. I'm sure

461
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Speaker 1: everyone listening. Your first couple of years out of college,

462
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Speaker 1: if you went into an industry that's competitive, you probably

463
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Speaker 1: worked a lot. And if now ten years twenty years later,

464
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Speaker 1: you were making way more money. So back then you

465
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Speaker 1: work the most you ever had in your life, and

466
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Speaker 1: you had the least amount of money you've ever had. Now,

467
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Speaker 1: obviously you didn't have any money before you left college.

468
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Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, like on the income scale, usually

469
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Speaker 1: make the least amount when you first get hired somewhere.

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Speaker 1: It's the opposite. In pro football. I pay you a

471
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Speaker 1: ton and I give you more free time. So really

472
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Speaker 1: a lot is dependent on your own self discipline, your

473
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Speaker 1: own focus, your own ambition, your own drive. A lot

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Speaker 1: of times when we talk about guys that quote unquote

475
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Speaker 1: bust in the NFL, I I don't hate that word,

476
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Speaker 1: but I think that word is a little bit disingenuous

477
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Speaker 1: because when I think we use the word bust, it's

478
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Speaker 1: like the equivalent of, like, you know, popping a balloon.

479
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Speaker 1: It just blew up. It sucks. For the most part,

480
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Speaker 1: I don't think most guys didn't have enough talent, especially

481
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Speaker 1: highly drafted players. I think the majority of players fail.

482
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Speaker 1: JaMarcus Russell, Trent Richardson. I mean, we could just go

483
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Speaker 1: to recent bus upstairs. They didn't have the discipline, they

484
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Speaker 1: didn't have the work ethic, like they have the physical talent.

485
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Speaker 1: He saw these guys at the highest level in college,

486
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Speaker 1: the highest level their pro days, blowing it up, like

487
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Speaker 1: how how physically gifted they are. But when they get

488
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Speaker 1: to the pros, they don't really know what to do

489
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Speaker 1: because think about how many people you knew, Like I

490
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Speaker 1: was lucky in high school. Uh, I guess not lucky.

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Speaker 1: But like at party, I was around a lot of

492
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Speaker 1: stuff that I ended up being around in college and

493
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Speaker 1: that never did anything for me. So it was easy

494
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Speaker 1: for me to say no sometimes in college my last

495
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Speaker 1: couple of years, like I wouldn't if I didn't want

496
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Speaker 1: to go out, I wouldn't go out. Like I've been

497
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Speaker 1: partying since I was fifteen years old. It wasn't that

498
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Speaker 1: new to me. It didn't really do that much for me.

499
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Speaker 1: But I knew some people who got to college, even

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Speaker 1: people I didn't go with to college with guys that

501
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Speaker 1: had gone to high school with or that I had

502
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Speaker 1: knew friends that they had gone to like other high

503
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Speaker 1: schools within Sacramento and had gone to places like USC

504
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Speaker 1: or Arizona, and they failed out of school within a

505
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Speaker 1: year because they had no self discipline. They were overwhelmed.

506
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Speaker 1: They didn't know what to do. Honestly, it's some what's

507
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Speaker 1: similar in the NFL, Like you have to be a

508
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Speaker 1: self starter. Now, obviously coaches are on you, the veteran

509
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 1: players are on you. There's an infrastructure in the pros

510
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Speaker 1: to help you out. But the infrastructured Alabama will not

511
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Speaker 1: let you fail because it doesn't give you any free time.

512
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Speaker 1: It doesn't give you any wiggle room, I think, and

513
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Speaker 1: like you could list probably a bunch of programs, but

514
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Speaker 1: where Naji Harris is coming from. You go to Alabama,

515
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Speaker 1: you may end up not being a good enough football

516
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Speaker 1: player to become a pro football you know, to one

517
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Speaker 1: day get drafted high whatever. Right, you might just be

518
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Speaker 1: a role player on Alabama, but you are going to

519
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Speaker 1: be successful when you're in that program. That's not true

520
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Speaker 1: for the NFL. And part of it is just simply

521
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Speaker 1: it's the private sector. And if you're not a first

522
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Speaker 1: round pick, if you're a fourth round pick, and you

523
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Speaker 1: start acting like an idiot, it's like, I don't have

524
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Speaker 1: time for this. Cut see you, You're not really getting

525
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Speaker 1: cut in college football in the pros, if you're not

526
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Speaker 1: on a contract where I can't get rid of you,

527
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Speaker 1: and you start acting like an idiot. Remember the undrafted

528
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Speaker 1: free agent last year in Corona. That's snuck the girl

529
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Speaker 1: and in a Seahawks uniform to the hotel and you

530
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 1: got caught the next day of Seattle cut them. It's like, bro,

531
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Speaker 1: what are you? What are you doing? This is you

532
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: don't get second chances here by audios. It's on you

533
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: to figure that out. It's not on the coaches. We're

534
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,719
Speaker 1: not gonna hold your hand. Like, there are some basic

535
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 1: elements of life that you better be able to figure out,

536
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: and then there are these other you just issues with

537
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: humans bring right, how many family members are you bringing?

538
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: How many people that are gonna be dependent on you?

539
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: Can you handle it? And some people are really mature

540
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: and they really can't, or they're strong enough to say

541
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: no to certain people and yes to others. You know,

542
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: you gotta kind of keep a tight circle. Not everyone

543
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: is equipped to be able to do that. Some people

544
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: feel overwhelmed. You know, if you're Mike Comlin or your

545
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan or you're you know, Mike McCarthy, you've got

546
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: eight million things going on, Like you can't hold everyone's hand.

547
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: And I'm even including the you know, the ten rookies.

548
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: You need some of these guys to act like grown ups.

549
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: Just have some basic common sense. When I tell you

550
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: to be here, you gotta be there. But they're not

551
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: gonna send someone to your house now. I mean technically

552
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: in the NFL for a rookie, they probably would, but

553
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like in the in college,

554
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: their class checking, they're they're walking you to the academic advisor,

555
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: like in the pros at the meetings at eight, like

556
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: come for breakfast at seven thirty. The high level guys

557
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: are getting their sixth thirty, getting to workout in first.

558
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,239
Speaker 1: But ultimately it's on you to pick and choose when

559
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna show up. You just better be there by eight. Now,

560
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: if you want to be a really good player, you

561
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: probably gotta be here by six fifteen and get forty

562
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Speaker 1: five minutes of workout, shower, get a breakfast, get a

563
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: little film study before the meeting even starts. But as

564
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: not as you're saying, we got hell of free time,

565
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: so you're free time. What are you gonna do with

566
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: the free time? Are you gonna get in trouble? Are

567
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: you gonna run around and like push the envelope? Are

568
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: you going to get extra work in? Are you gonna study?

569
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: It's the thing that we talk about so much in

570
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Speaker 1: these draft meetings, and everyone talks about it, every GM,

571
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: every coach, and you try to decipher what makes every

572
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: guy tick. And you spend so much time when you

573
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Speaker 1: decide if the guy is good enough or not, what

574
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: he's like as a person, but like, think about how

575
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Speaker 1: many human beings you've met over the years, at first

576
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Speaker 1: that are cool and then they become assholes, or at

577
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: first are assholes, then become the greatest guy. You never

578
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Speaker 1: know you have. You really don't have any clue until

579
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: the more and more time you spend around him. Like

580
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: with time, that's why the cream always rises. No different

581
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Speaker 1: in the NFL, as in finance, as in a classroom,

582
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: as in the medical field. Because the guy who's relentless,

583
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: who's focused, who's determined, whose discipline is gonna keep improving.

584
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Speaker 1: The guy who has the talent but cuts every corner,

585
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Speaker 1: who's not showing up early, who's not taking care of

586
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: his body, who's not doing the right things, is gonna

587
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: eventually fall behind and ultimately, like what will define Like

588
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: Nasea clearly has the talent, and I'm not I'm just

589
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: using him as example, like if he becomes a great player.

590
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: Like the thing about the great players in Pittsburgh for

591
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: the last couple of decades, right, the one thing they

592
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: always said about Antonio Brown. I had darry Darius Haywood

593
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: Bay on this podcast, that guy was so incredible as

594
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: a worker in practice, the reason Gruden, Okay and Mayo

595
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: traded for him is because Gruden at Monday Night Football

596
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: used to go to Pittsburgh Stealer practice getting ready for games,

597
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: and that dude was running every play eight yards to

598
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: the end zone Jerry Rice style. His practice habits were incredible. Now,

599
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: he's a little crazy, but from a work ethic, the

600
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: reason he kept passing everyone, he outworked them all. I've

601
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Speaker 1: said these stories about what I hear from people with

602
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: the Chiefs about Patrick Mahomes, like, he's not just accidentally

603
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: that good. His work ethic, his drive, his focus, the

604
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: amount of time he puts into his craft is insanity.

605
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: Like if someone could literally print out what he does

606
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: during the season, I think it would blow people away.

607
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: The PJA Championships this weekend, like the best players, the

608
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: amount of time they put into their golf game, the

609
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: elite players. The guy that ends up winning this tournament

610
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Speaker 1: is holding the trophy and is as your champ. At

611
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: the end of the weekend, it won't just because he

612
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: played well this weekend. It'll be all the years, all

613
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: the recent work he's done, all the time in Corona,

614
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: he honed his skills in the last six months. It's

615
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: all that stuff, And in football you have so many

616
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: different variables because you have eleven guys on the field,

617
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: you have fifty three man team, you've got all these coaches.

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Speaker 1: The amount of time everyone you've got to just kind

619
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Speaker 1: of take care of your own stuff is more than

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Speaker 1: I think we talked about. It's something that's just the

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Speaker 1: untalked about part of the sport, and all these rookies

622
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: are going to realize pretty quickly. It's like, damn, I

623
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: got some money, I got some days off to do

624
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: whatever I want. It's kind of up to me. It's like, yeah,

625
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: it's the real world. It ultimately is up to you.

626
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: How good do you want to be? The reason Tom

627
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: Brady became the greatest quarterback ever is not because God

628
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: just handed him the greatest talent ever. He's a freaking machine,

629
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: dedicated his life to the sport of football and has

630
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: reaped the rewards. But I think the first thing he

631
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: tell you would be like, this didn't randomly happen when

632
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: you're sleeping, I'm working, when you're eating a cheeseburger, I

633
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: mean avocado ice cream? Right. The reason I got so

634
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: drunk at that party, I don't drink anymore That's why

635
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: I could barely walk. You ever, not drank for like

636
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: a month, and then like had a cocktail at dinner.

637
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Speaker 1: You're like, damn, I feel pretty good. That's how Tom

638
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Speaker 1: Brady probably felt when him and Groc slammed a couple

639
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Speaker 1: of tequila shots before the parade, because he's never drinking.

640
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Speaker 1: He's too focused trying to win a super Bowl. Now

641
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: he's got seven. Now, it doesn't guarantee you're gonna be

642
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Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer or super Bowl champ, but it

643
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Speaker 1: does guarantee that you're gonna be in the best position

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Speaker 1: to possibly have success. And uh, that's the thing with

645
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Speaker 1: the rookie minicamps. These guys, I think the guys that

646
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Speaker 1: really separate themselves early on are the mature guys are

647
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Speaker 1: the focus. Now everyone matures a different rates, you know.

648
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm someone like I kind of I view

649
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Speaker 1: myself as a slow mature like. It took me probably

650
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Speaker 1: to my late twenties and definitely my early thirties to

651
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Speaker 1: really get some stuff that I'm sure some people had

652
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Speaker 1: in their early twenties. It's a big advantage you have

653
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Speaker 1: in if a few were mature at twenty, you have

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Speaker 1: the upper hand and a guy like me. Right, You're

655
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Speaker 1: a decade ahead on just some basic things and I'm

656
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Speaker 1: still working on it. But like, if you are focused

657
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Speaker 1: early on, you can really separate yourself in the NFL. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's dive into a little thing we like to call

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Speaker 1: the middle Coff mail bag at John Middlecoff is the

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Speaker 1: Instagram you guys know, the drill d MS wide Open Baby, John.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for the content, have much respect for the pod.

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Speaker 1: Made the account to ask you about Mahomes. He has

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Speaker 1: been a start in the league for three years. His

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Speaker 1: TV to interception ratio for those three years his fifty

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Speaker 1: eight and six. I think you meant fifty and three.

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Speaker 1: These two thirteen picks were here for a second year.

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Speaker 1: His win loss for those three years or twelve and four,

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Speaker 1: eleven and three four one. In two thousand and twenty,

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Speaker 1: he played five teams with ten or more wins. In

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Speaker 1: those games, he had fourteen touchdowns and three picks completion

671
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Speaker 1: and a QBR of eighty four. He was the passing

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Speaker 1: leader last year before he sat Week seventeen, and did

673
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: so with six offensive line opt outs or injuries throughout

674
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Speaker 1: the year. I would appreciate a truly unbiased take on

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Speaker 1: the Casey quarterback from a former NFL scouts perspective. I

676
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: grew up as a Chiefs fan. Am I biased to

677
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Speaker 1: think that he is still improving? Could the best could

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Speaker 1: the best two seasons of his career be his next

679
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Speaker 1: to they play the NFC Easts this year? Could you

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Speaker 1: see Casey winning fifteen or more games this season? Or

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Speaker 1: am I'm just being over enthusiastic fan. I think when

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Speaker 1: you look at Aaron Rodgers and you look at Tom Brady, hell,

683
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: look at Russell Wilson. If you put all your chips

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the table on at this sport

685
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Speaker 1: and you do absolutely everything you can to be the

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Speaker 1: best possible player, and you have freakish talent, Really, Brady's

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Speaker 1: not a great example for Homes in terms of talent.

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Speaker 1: In terms of work ethic and stuff. Obviously that's what

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Speaker 1: you want, but he's really more Rogers type, right, just

690
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Speaker 1: insane physical gifts. Unlike Rodgers who hated Mike McCarthy. He

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Speaker 1: has Andy Reid and a ton of talent. And from

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Speaker 1: everything that I've been told, Vin Mahomes is everything you

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Speaker 1: could possibly want if you drew up a player in

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Speaker 1: a lab. Off the field, the character, the work ethic

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Speaker 1: to drive everything we've talked about. The physical gifts are

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Speaker 1: mind blowing. We all agree he's, you know him, a

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Speaker 1: young far a young Rogers, like I didn't see Elway

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Speaker 1: or Marino, but like his talent is pantheon level. Just

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Speaker 1: physical gifts. So yeah, how does anyone stop improving if

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Speaker 1: they keep trying at their craft? Think of whatever you

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Speaker 1: do if you're a coder, if you're a podcaster, if

702
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: you're a stock trader, even if you're freaking elite. Like

703
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Speaker 1: if you ask Warren Buffett, did you get better over

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Speaker 1: your life? He'd say, hell, yes, I got better. Do

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Speaker 1: you think Bill Belichick is a better coach now than

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Speaker 1: he was years ago? Of course? Than he was ten

707
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: years ago? Of course? So yeah, I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's even a question that health permitting. The upside

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Speaker 1: and the ceiling for Patrick Mahomes is it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: hard for him ever to win seven Super Bowls. Let's

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Speaker 1: just let's go conservative and say he wins just to

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Speaker 1: total he wins one more. I do think it would

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Speaker 1: be possible to go down and the way we talk

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Speaker 1: about him, most talented guy to ever play the position.

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Speaker 1: Brady's just it's gonna be hard to knock him off

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Speaker 1: with seven rings, and he played till forty four. But

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Speaker 1: I think Mahomes has a lot to gain. He has

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Speaker 1: the next decade to become just an al timer. Look

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Speaker 1: at did you watch the last dance? How focused Michael

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Speaker 1: Jordan was. Do you think Michael Jordan's like ever stopped

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Speaker 1: if you never stopped trying to improve it your craft,

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Speaker 1: which I don't think he's going to. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: I think his next his best football could come in

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Speaker 1: his early thirties. Now, he might not be quite as

725
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Speaker 1: physically as potent, but he'll be smarter. The more reps

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00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: you get in anything in life, the more of a

727
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: ability to recall and know what you're getting into experience,

728
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Speaker 1: makes us better at whatever we're doing. What will it

729
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: take for the NFL to expand in Toronto? I love

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Speaker 1: the NFL, and fantasy football just adds to the excitement.

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Speaker 1: There are so many Canadians who feel the same way,

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Speaker 1: especially here in Ontario and around Toronto. I appreciate the chance.

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Speaker 1: Send a message. Thanks, bro, Uh I would say it's

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Speaker 1: not happening. I cannot see. I don't pretend to know

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Speaker 1: that much about the Canadian demographics. But if we expand.

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Speaker 1: When I say we, I mean the National Football League,

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Speaker 1: it feels like London and maybe another team. But it

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Speaker 1: feels like I don't think they're gonna expand. I I

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Speaker 1: think they would just move teams now. Could a team

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Speaker 1: move like with the Bills. You know their owner now

741
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Speaker 1: is really rich. I don't know, you know any Bills

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Speaker 1: fan has a better feel for the stadium situation in

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Speaker 1: the least like that that all factors in um. I

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Speaker 1: see it in my own backyard with the Ace. It's

745
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: just this dog and pony show. It's like, just just

746
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: go to Vegas. Just leave. You're not gonna stay here,

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Speaker 1: we get it. You just go. But I think the

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Speaker 1: Bills of Polygulas have a stupid amount of cash, so

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Speaker 1: I I can't see expansion happening. They're not enough quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: You know, part of the strength of your league is

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Speaker 1: on the quarterback play, and as we know, there aren't

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Speaker 1: thirty two legit starting quarterbacks. It's probably like, so you

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Speaker 1: can't keep expanding when you don't have enough quarterback. Now,

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Speaker 1: one day, if there's enough quarterbacks, maybe you could think

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Speaker 1: about it, But I would lean don't have any inside

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Speaker 1: information on this one. Obviously I would lean the Toronto

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Speaker 1: is not getting a team, but I hear you it

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Speaker 1: would do well. Longtime listener of the podcast, keep it up.

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Speaker 1: What the heck is going going on with the TV

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00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: contracts with the PGA Tour or the Golf Channel and

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00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: its partners. When times get moved up because of weather,

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Speaker 1: Why isn't there something in place where live TV coverage

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Speaker 1: is on television. This is something that drove me nest

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Speaker 1: this weekend as a gambler and a watcher of the

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Speaker 1: PGA Tour. The great part about football, whenever a game starts,

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Speaker 1: whether it's a six am kickoff in London, whether it's

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Speaker 1: a six o'clock kickoff on NBC or Monday Night football,

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Speaker 1: we watched the entire game. The worst part about PGA

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Speaker 1: Tour golf. You don't get to see the entire tournament.

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Speaker 1: This weekend they had a rain delay or I mean

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00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: rain coming in, so they moved up all the times.

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Speaker 1: At ten am, the tournament came on Golf Channel. I

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Speaker 1: flip on Golf Channel. They're showing Jordan's speak Tia, which

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Speaker 1: in theory is cool, and then I click on my

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Speaker 1: phone and he's on a whole ten. It's like, guys,

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Speaker 1: it's two thousand twenty one. I get, I get in

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Speaker 1: two thousand one. Hell, I'll even give you ten years ago.

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Speaker 1: But in two twenty one with the Internet, you're throwing

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Speaker 1: throwing up tape delayed live events. Here, here's a simple

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Speaker 1: reality of sports television. Right now, Football's king. The real

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Speaker 1: estate and market share for number two, three, four are

782
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Speaker 1: wide freaking open. I read a good article this week

783
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Speaker 1: at the NBA has lost fifty of their fans in

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Speaker 1: the last five years. Adam Silver is not very good

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00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: at his job. Baseball has an older demographic. Soccer is

786
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Speaker 1: rapidly growing in this country. PGA tour golf, just a

787
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Speaker 1: random tournament does like three million people. The majors get

788
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Speaker 1: a lot of people. You have to be consumer friendly.

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Speaker 1: The number one thing I will give the NFL and

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Speaker 1: where they've run lapsed around the other leagues, they're the

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Speaker 1: most consumer friendly. I buy a two ticket and I'm

792
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: gonna go watch Niners rams. If Matt Stafford or Aaron

793
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 1: Donald or Deebo Samuel or Nick Bosa is not playing.

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Speaker 1: The reason I know they're not playing, they're either suspended

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00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: or they're injured. I've had so many friends go to

796
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: NBA games and be like, I bought this ticket Lebron's

797
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: coming to Sacramento and then he sits. I go to

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00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: the Warriors game, Clay is not playing this game, not

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00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: because the injury, because arrest. That's not consumer friendly. And

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00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: then as a TV viewer, like, I know when I

801
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: watch football, if your guys are healthy, they're gonna play.

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00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: And the most powerful thing these leagues have now is

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Speaker 1: our time. Am I willing to give you my time

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Speaker 1: on my couch as a sports viewer because that's where

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00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: they make their money? Well part I mean, I think

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00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: a major problem for the NBA's I sit there to

807
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: watch a game, it's like your stars arresting. Like it's

808
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: basically an f you to me sitting on my couch.

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00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: You're saying you don't care about the sport. Why should

810
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Speaker 1: I Baseball? Just the monotony of this, you know, the

811
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Speaker 1: pace of it. Controy, I love baseball, but I think

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00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: it's hard for some people. But for the most part,

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Speaker 1: like if Aaron Judge is healthy, air and Judge is

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Speaker 1: gonna be in the lineup in football, it couldn't be

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Speaker 1: any more consumer friendly. In golf, it just is very

816
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: challenging to watch. You're like, I gotta watch off channel,

817
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: then I gotta go to the other channel. You need

818
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Speaker 1: to find a way to make it easier, because the

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00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: number one thing moving forward that my generation is going

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00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: to be used to very stuff being easy. My my

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Speaker 1: mom's dog, Callie needed like has a chain, and the

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Speaker 1: chain the way it is, it's like kind of and

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what the material's kind of metal,

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Speaker 1: chain back to get Calie to come back, it can

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Speaker 1: cut your hands. My mom's always cutting her hand. I'm like, Mom,

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Speaker 1: I'll get you a new rope. I was were sitting

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00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: there on Mother's Day. She's like, yeah, we need a

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Speaker 1: new rope. I pressed two buttons Amazon app on my phone.

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Speaker 1: One button, fifty feet a rope with two cooks for chains.

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Speaker 1: Next day at her house. You know why Amazon dominates.

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00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: The number one reason they dominate, not even necessarily because

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Speaker 1: her stuff is cheap, and it's it used to be cheaper.

834
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 1: Now it's probably more normal price points. It's easy, it's simple.

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00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm out of gatorade zeros? Do I

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Speaker 1: want to go to the store today? No, I don't

837
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Speaker 1: really want to go to the store. I'm at my desk.

838
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: What can I do? Amazon Boom, give me up Gatorade

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Speaker 1: Zero's reds and the and the yellow ones boom at

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00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: my door the next day. The consumer in modern day society,

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00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 1: especially the younger ones, and I think the older ones

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00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 1: are adapting this to You better be easy, You better

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00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: make it easy on me. Whatever you do in the

844
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: NFL makes it simple. They could the games. It's very straightforward.

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00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: When they are you know you're getting the players. You know,

846
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: if they're not injured, you know you're getting their best effort.

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00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: Golf can make it a challenge, and I'm a golf lover.

848
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Speaker 1: I mean, Pja Torre should die for a guy like

849
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Speaker 1: me who has a massive football audience to like hype

850
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: up their sport. And if anything is driving me nuts,

851
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: come on, guys, we gotta get with the times. Can't

852
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: be archaic. I read today that a player who suffered

853
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: an Achilles injury working out from a team facility will

854
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: be cut prior to six one and will not get

855
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: ten million dollars in salary. I never thought this was

856
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: a risk if you're working out. I've heard of clauses

857
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: like no basketball or motorcycles, but not no working out.

858
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: How do you see this playing out in terms of

859
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: president contract or president uh president and contracts determining football

860
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: and non football injuries. If someone working out away from

861
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: the facility, it almost seems to encourage at the player

862
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: throw catch and work out with their own time. What gives? Well,

863
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 1: the details on that little story are quite funny when

864
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: you dive into it. Juwan James was working out at

865
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 1: the Denver Bronco facility, training every day in their weight

866
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: room with their strength coaches. And then the union, led

867
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Speaker 1: by this guy named J. C. Treader and de Marius Smith,

868
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: had this idea, let's gather everybody and boycott the off season.

869
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: So he went one day from working out of the

870
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Speaker 1: facility to getting advice from union leadership to boycott the

871
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Speaker 1: facility and go work out on his own. The reason

872
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Speaker 1: now he might have towards achilles sometime, no matter what,

873
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer, not a doctor, just got a

874
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: cow Pouli degree. I think achilles are born to tear,

875
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: like they're gonna tear for certain people, like you know,

876
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: the wear and tear or whatever, Like certain people are

877
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: just more likely to have an achilles tear. It's kind

878
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: of like a tire, like once the tire gets worn down,

879
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: like it's eventually gonna pop. But if he had not

880
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: gotten the advice of the union, who now ironically is

881
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: suing the team in the league, like, hey, guys, you

882
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: screwed up. You gave him terrible advice, his achilles pops

883
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: and now he's out ten million dollars, if he had

884
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: not listened to them, or they had not given him

885
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: that advice, or they had not tried to boycott the offseason,

886
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: because clearly it's not working that well. I just saw

887
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: Matt Mayoko covers the Niners said attendance today for the Niners.

888
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: I saw the Raiders had about seventy five. And whatever

889
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: team you follow, um, you know it's not gonna be

890
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: a hundred because the Union is trying to push some

891
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: of these older veterans to show which is your prerogative.

892
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: But if you were working out of the facility again,

893
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: because that you're gonna be working out whether you're at

894
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: the facility or away from the facility, and then they

895
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: tell you, yeah, you should probably go. Screw these guys.

896
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: Screw the man, the big bad, the man John Elway

897
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: and the bull Ends and and the Denver broncos. You

898
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: do you dog? Cost him ten million dollars? Would a

899
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: union make the whole of course not. What will they do?

900
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: Oh they'll fire file grievances. You know what James should do,

901
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 1: He should sue the union. But I'm sure there are

902
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: um you know, obligations in his contract where he doesn't

903
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: have that type power. So if anything he's s o

904
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: l sucks for him, doesn't suck for the union. They

905
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: just keep going upon their day. Just cost one of

906
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: their members. I don't know ten million dollars because if

907
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: he had been working out in the team facility, do

908
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: you know what they couldn't have done? Wouldn't have been

909
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 1: able to get out of the ten million dollars. That's

910
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: a union problem. Terrible advice. Easy for them to say,

911
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: boycott it. Now he's ten million dollars. Uh poor, Actually

912
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: he's not because he doesn't have it. He actually didn't

913
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: have the money yet. But he would have received that money.

914
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: Now depending on the contract, maybe he doesn't receive at all.

915
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: But they would not have been able to do from

916
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 1: what I've read what they did. I'm a big RAMS

917
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: fan and I was intrigued to learn that we picked

918
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 1: up an offensive lineman from Italy through some European development

919
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: program named Max Perjurer. A little less excited when I

920
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: found out that only teams who got these players were

921
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: every team in our division. But okay, I wonder if

922
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: you had heard of this developmental program and what your

923
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: opinion would be of players coming out of its specifically

924
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: perch Perture. Seems like something the league would have a

925
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: big interest in having the work having worked out well

926
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: as far as players success that move over, since they

927
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: want to develop a fan base in Europe. What do

928
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: you think. I'll be completely honest, I did not know that.

929
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: I haven't heard of this developmental league. But I don't

930
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 1: think it's dumb, like I, I I think it's something smart

931
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: to do. You know, I'll give Adam Silver one thing

932
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: he did a good job of is he's developed this

933
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: this African league, African Developmental League, and it's led to

934
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: some players, Like talking to this dude that trains NBA player,

935
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you know, some of these guys are

936
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: coming from the developmental process, the developmental leagues that are

937
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: going over there in Africa. It happened once upon a

938
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: time in South Africa with Ernie Els and Golf. There

939
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: are a bunch of guys from South Africa that are

940
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: now on the PGA tour. So these developmental leagues or

941
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: facilities are are are always smart to do, right. We

942
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: have how many people in this world? We only have

943
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: so many people in America, and there are definitely talented people,

944
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 1: whether it's the UK, whether it's South America, whether it's

945
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: the Asian countries that if you could find a couple,

946
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 1: it might not be that many because there's not leagues

947
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: over there for them to play, but there would be

948
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: people with the body types that you could train and

949
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: maybe make an offensive line like part of this guy

950
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 1: whether they found him right. There are only so many

951
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: guys that are six three to six five that have

952
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 1: three under pounds of muscle and power. So it's gonna

953
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: be a small percentage of people you're gonna find right

954
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: up the bat, but they do exist and then you

955
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: start training and then you take his chance on him.

956
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 1: So I know nothing about this, but I think it's smart.

957
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: I would always have international training. Just doesn't even if

958
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: you find no one whatever, but eventually you're gonna find someone.

959
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: And all it takes is one guy to have success

960
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: and then boom, then more people are interested, Like you said,

961
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: then it grows. Then they show the games over there

962
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: than that guy. If he starts on a good team,

963
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: that's the goal. So yeah, back to your original question.

964
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: Never heard of him, don't know anything about it. Smart move.

965
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: Roger Goodell best commissioner in sports bio wide margin. Remember

966
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: when the media hated Roger Roger village idiot, Roger. Get

967
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: rid of Roger. Now Roger did some dumb things right.

968
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: I did not agree with the flake Gate, think Tom

969
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: got railroaded. I even think some of the stuff with

970
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: the Saints probably a little overboard. Obviously, if he saw

971
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,959
Speaker 1: the video on Ray Rice, you know, I probably would

972
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: have suspended for the year. But overall, from a business standpoint,

973
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: there are two commissioners that stand out by a mile

974
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 1: in my lifetime David Stern, who I think is probably

975
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: the best commissioner of all time, and I think Roger

976
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: Goodell has thrown his hat in the ring. You know,

977
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 1: in my lifetime there's probably commissioners before me. I can't

978
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: speak on them. Just in my lifetime. Stern and Roger

979
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: uh Lad juggernauts. They know what they're doing, and then

980
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 1: you know the media hates them. When the media hates

981
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 1: you and your commissioner, that's a good thing. They love.

982
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: Adam Silver, how's that going. I want my commission to

983
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 1: be hated by the media. That probably means we're printing

984
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: money and doing big ratings, because that's the way that

985
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: David Stern and Roger Gondell were treated, you know by

986
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: the If if David Stern had been like rocking and

987
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: rolling in the social media days, oh my, he would

988
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: have got crushed, absolutely destroyed. But those are type of

989
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: guys you want running your business because the goal of

990
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: your business is to grow and add revenue and add viewers,

991
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 1: and that's what those two guys do. So smart move

992
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: by Goodell or whoever was behind that. And appreciate you listening.

993
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