1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Phantom Limb Syndrome. This is Phantom co host Syndrome. Mala's 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: not here already. O La La Loes. I'm the OSA 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: and I'm your host for today's episode. Our beloved dear 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: Mala is working on a film, but she'll be back 5 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: in the studio next time. If you listen to last 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: week's episode, send her some extra love and good energy. 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: She recounted a very scary and startling experience that she 8 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: had while walking her dog bap Us in downtown and 9 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: she deserves all the care, all the love for being 10 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: really vulnerable and courageous and telling her story. So send 11 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: her all the love. Today, I'm feeling grateful, And the 12 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: reason I'm feeling so grateful to record is because so 13 00:00:54,440 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: much feels sacred and so much feels precarious right now 14 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: at the same time. So, as you may know, public 15 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: media and broadcasting has been defunded on the federal level. 16 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: So what does that mean. PBS and NPR have lost 17 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: federal funding. The places that will be most impacted are 18 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: rural areas who rely on public broadcasts to receive their news, 19 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: to receive storm weather related warnings and all types of 20 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: information that's vital for their own community, and especially now. 21 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: It's always important to support your local public radio station, 22 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: but especially now in the wake of defunding. So become 23 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: a member of your local radio station, your local public 24 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: media space, indie publication if you're not already, and support 25 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: the podcast that you love. Funding for the arts is 26 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: not always guaranteed. Your favorite show needs all the love, 27 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: whether it's indie or whether it's on a network. There 28 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: might be a perception that network shows are safe, like 29 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: look At but many of our favorite shows are beholden 30 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: to budgets and with so many DEI rollbacks, the future 31 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: can feel a little uncertain, which is also why I 32 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: want to talk about some podcast News and Time released 33 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: one hundred best podcasts of All Time, and these podcasts 34 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: are quote innovative, influential, and informative listens in the history 35 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: of the medium. These podcasts reflect the depth, breadth, and 36 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: possibility of the medium at its best. So I want 37 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: to talk about some of the podcasts that are on here. 38 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: Admittedly this is a very bias list. I have not 39 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: listened to all one hundred podcasts, but I do co 40 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: sign some of these that are on the list. So 41 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: let's walk through it. Because there are some favorites and 42 00:02:52,600 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: also some really important influential podcasts that I think should 43 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: be on there. If you look at this list, there 44 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: are podcasts that are on here that aren't even in 45 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: production anymore, which I think is totally valid and totally 46 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 1: fair because even if they're no longer producing shows, they're 47 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: no longer putting out episodes, these podcasts still change the game. 48 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: They change the media landscape, they change the medium, and 49 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: so it's totally valid that they're on the list even 50 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: though they're not in production anymore. And some of those 51 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: are Two Dope Queens and Bodega Boys and Call Your 52 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: Girlfriend and we've been talking about Bodega Boys on Look 53 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: at Dora for years. They broke up a couple of 54 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: years ago. It was a very like there's a lot 55 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: of speculation about why they broke up, and there's rumors, 56 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: and there's this, and there's that. That show was like 57 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: the heyday of podcasting, Desis and Marrow talking about culture music. 58 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: It was comedic, it was political, and it was just 59 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: so so good. And they were one of the shows 60 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: that was like a two hour podcast that normally I 61 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: would never listen to, but I actually did listen to 62 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: like an hour and a half or two hours of 63 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: that podcast. So I was really happy to see them 64 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: on that list, even though they're not in production. And 65 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: I'll say that nothing has been the same since the 66 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: Bodega Boys broke up. Like I mentioned, Call Your Girlfriend, 67 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: that was like an og show no longer in production. 68 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: Classy by Pineapple Studios is also such a good show, 69 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: and Pineapple Studios recently folded. Some of my podcasting peers 70 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: colleagues were unfortunately laid off at Pineapple Studios, and it 71 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: goes to show like how precarious this medium can be 72 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: because there's award winning shows like Classy that no longer exist, right, 73 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: and so that I think was such a good show 74 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: and definitely deserves to be on this list. Next up 75 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: is code Switch, an NPR show quickly reviewing this list, 76 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: some of my other favorites are The Daily Ear, Hustle, 77 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: Embedded Fresh Air. Notably Moonface, created by James Kim. It 78 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: is a fictional story about a Korean American in the 79 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: city of Downey, and it's one of the first narrative 80 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: fiction podcasts that I listen to that I think is 81 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: so good, deserves accolades, and James Kim is just an 82 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: audio genius. Next is like OG shows like Radio Labs 83 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: still Processing song Exploder, This American Life Uncivil also another 84 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: one that's really good, celebrity hosted and a lot of 85 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: celebrity guests. 86 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: But is so so. 87 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: Good is Wiser than Me by Julia Lewis Dreyfuss. It 88 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: is a show about women in like the later stage 89 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: of their lives, and Julia Loutreyfus, the actress, talks to 90 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: women who are older than her. And one of MY 91 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: favorite episodes is with Isa and so that is like 92 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: a celeb show that I definitely co sign and that 93 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: is produced by Lemonada Media, which is another incredible production studio. 94 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: And finally you must remember this that is one of 95 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: my favorite shows as well. So I was really excited 96 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: to see that one. But I also want to talk 97 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: about like the shows that were notably missing that I 98 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: was really surprised not to see on there. Some OG 99 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: shows that no longer exist are like the Nod and 100 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: Tea with Queen and Jay, which is still producing. But 101 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: an OG show in like the Black Feminist womanist podcast 102 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: Space and one of a newer show but I think 103 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: is really good is Vibe check, and I was really 104 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: surprised not to see any of those. And I have 105 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: to talk about the Elephant and the room I did 106 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: not see to my knowledge with the podcast that I 107 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: did see, and I do know and I'm familiar with 108 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: the work, I did not see a LATINX Latino culture 109 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: show on the list. Obviously, I can be like Lokata 110 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: should be on the list. Obviously I do think Loka 111 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: Thoughta Radio should be on the list. But there's also 112 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: a lot of other incredible LATINX culture, news entertainment shows 113 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: that were not on the list, notably like how could 114 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: Futuro Media's shows not be on this list, Like, like, 115 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: off the top of my head, anything for Selena Suave, 116 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: Latino Usa, La Brega. Incredible bodies of work that Futuro 117 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: Media and Studios puts out, and I was really surprised 118 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: not to see one of theirs included on this list. 119 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: So those are the types of things where like I 120 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: see these lists, the accolades are incredible if you're on 121 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: their congratulations anytime your work gets recognition, of course, like 122 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: feels amazing, But it always makes me question, like who 123 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: is creating these best of because a lot of the time, 124 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: like the shows that we know and love are left out, 125 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: and there they tend to be the shows that are 126 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: under resourced or have limited resources. I was also really 127 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: surprised not to see like any of Eli's Studios podcast 128 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: on this list, like California Love Wild or Snooze by 129 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: our Homegirl Megan Tan And yes, some of these folks 130 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: are my friends and creative peers, but that doesn't take 131 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: away from the incredible work that they've been doing in 132 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: this space for years and years and years now. Also 133 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: like none of the Microtura shows are on there, and 134 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: another show that I think should be on there is Crumbs, 135 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: an incredible narrative show that has received accolades but also 136 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: should have been on this list. And I also want 137 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: to shout out of the LATINX Latino podcasts who helped 138 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: create this media landscape for Latino podcasters who are no 139 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: longer producing, but pave the way for shows like look 140 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: at Radio, Senora Sex said, and that's Latinos who lunch Radio, 141 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: Minea and bag Ladies. I think that these Latino podcasters, 142 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: these LATINX podcasters and creators deserve all the flowers and recognition, 143 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: and so if they're not getting it on Time's Best 144 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: one hundred. I definitely wanted to bring it to this 145 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: audio archive and shout out some of the shows that 146 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: have done the incredible work of highlighting the artists, the 147 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: change makers in our community that have been documenting our stories, 148 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: have been documenting political history, and so that's really why 149 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: I wanted to bring all of that up today. And 150 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: so much has changed in podcasting and for in the 151 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: positive and some things stay the same, and so that's 152 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: one of the reasons I wanted to have this conversation today, 153 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: even though Mala's not in the studio. This is like 154 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: top of mind for me and really important for me 155 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: because I love this space. I love podcasting, I love 156 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: being a podcaster and producer, and this medium means so much, 157 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: I think, especially to Latinos, because a lot of us 158 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: grow up and with radio, a lot of us grow 159 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: up with our moms, our family members are a boilas 160 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: like listening to radio and connecting with the host right, 161 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: especially in Spanish language radio stations. I think there's a 162 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: special place that podcasting holds in our community because of 163 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: our connection to radio and the connection that it has 164 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: in our Latino communities and families. So I'm very passionate 165 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: about this, and so I want to know what do 166 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: you think was missing to this best one hundred podcast 167 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: list by time? And who would you add? Don't go anywhere, Lokomotives. 168 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 2: We'll be right back, and we're back with more of 169 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 2: our episode. 170 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: Next up is a listener question for our favorite segment, 171 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,119 Speaker 1: a recurring segment called. 172 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 2: O lokas you are now listening to. 173 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: This question was submitted by Taina in our broadcast channel 174 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: on Instagram, So if you haven't joined it, join and 175 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: you can submit your listener question there. And this question 176 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: is how do you find balance between married life, friends, family, career, hobbies, events, fitness, etc. 177 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: And my immediate response to this is I do not 178 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: always have balance, and I think expecting to have the 179 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: same type of balance day after day, week after week 180 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: is not realistic. And so there are some weeks, or 181 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: there's let's talk about a week for example, there's a 182 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: week where I do not see my friends right. I'm 183 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: maybe more in my hobbies. So I see like my 184 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: friends who are running, my friends who are runners, I 185 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: see my friends who play tennis. But I may not 186 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: be seeing like my close friends who I like share 187 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: Maybe space with have dinner with and like maybe I'm 188 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: just not seeing them that week, you know. I think 189 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: for me, like prioritizing date night with my partner is 190 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: like a really big way that I like stay connected 191 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: and make sure that I'm finding balance in that part 192 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: of my relationship. And I think one thing that works 193 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: for us is like having a weekly date night, and 194 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: that actually shifted because of my running schedule. So we 195 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: use our date night was always Friday night, and then 196 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: we realized like we kept pushing it and not going 197 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: out because I would have to go to bed early 198 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: and wake up early the next day because I had 199 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: to go run, and so we were like, wait, wait, wait, 200 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: let's just change it, Like let's just make it Saturday instead. 201 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: And so I think finding that time and that scheduling 202 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: is like really important to like how to maintain some 203 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: type of balance because there's not every week is the same, 204 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: and you might not always see your family, see your 205 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: friends that week, but you may go on date night, 206 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: you may have time for like your hobbies and your 207 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: work things, and then maybe the next week you're doing 208 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: less hobbies and you're spending more time with friends and 209 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: more times with family. So I think allowing your life 210 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: to have like a balance that makes sense on the 211 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: day to day and week to week as opposed to 212 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: like everything being uniform. I think is like the only 213 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: way to make it possible. At least that's how it's 214 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: worked for me. So I hope that this was helpful. 215 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 1: You can submit questions on our broadcast channel, and thank 216 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: you for listening to Oya Lookas don't go anywhere Locomotives. 217 00:13:53,679 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 2: We'll be right back, and we're back more of our 218 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 2: episode today. 219 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: We're joined by journalist Michelle Saccharias. On Friday, June sixth, 220 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: we were actually in studio with Michelle. We had recorded 221 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: an episode on a different topic, and we were really 222 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: excited to share that interview with y'all. But unbeknownst to us, 223 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: the raids were taking place in Los Angeles. As we 224 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: wrapped up for our studio session and just made our 225 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: way throughout Los Angeles and throughout the day, we learned 226 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: in real time about everything that was unfolding and how 227 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: our community was under attack. Given Michelle's in depth reporting 228 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: on racial justice and immigration, we decided to pause that 229 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: episode and instead bring her back to talk to us 230 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: more about how she's been covering the immigration raids in 231 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: Los Angeles and the importance of community journalism. She is 232 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: a reporter for Goto News, which is a hyperl local 233 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: independent media publication here in Los Angeles. This time we're 234 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: taking a deeper look into the ice rays, how communities 235 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: are responding, and how she's taking care of herself as 236 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: a on the ground reporter, as a journalist working with 237 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: families who are directly impacted as well, and why it's 238 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: important to continue to talk about the communities being impacted 239 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles and nationally. Okay, Michelle, Well, welcome back. 240 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: This is your second time in studio with us. The 241 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: last time you were here was the day in Los 242 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: Angeles where when the ice rates began unbeknownst to us, 243 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: we were in Hollywood, we were recording, we were talking 244 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: about something completely different, and then I don't know what 245 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: it was like for you, but we went home and 246 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: it took me a while to get home and I 247 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: was off socials, I was running some errands and then 248 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: inundated and then I know you then went on the ground. 249 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: So what was that experience like? Yeah, for you, like 250 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: coming into record and then bam, you were in the 251 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: field immediately. 252 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm actually still kind of processing it because a 253 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 3: lot has happened since the time I was in the 254 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 3: studio last and now, and it really wasn't that long ago. 255 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 3: But like the frequency in which the raids were happening 256 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 3: and the intensity in which they were happening, I think 257 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 3: really shocked a lot of us, including people like myself 258 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 3: who have been covering this for a while. But I 259 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,119 Speaker 3: remember even leaving the studio that day and thinking like, oh, 260 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 3: I'll just stop by this like quick protest, or I'll 261 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 3: stop by this quick gathering and talk to some people, 262 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 3: get some you know stories, and literally, by like nighttime 263 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 3: that day, I was in Chinatown and we were being 264 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 3: met with tear gas and tanks and just all kinds 265 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 3: of really unwarranted violence. 266 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 4: I showed up. 267 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 3: I remember that was like the last protest of the 268 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 3: day that I went to, and it wasn't really a 269 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 3: protest so much that it was people in the neighborhood 270 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 3: trying to warn their neighbors. People were on megaphones warning 271 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 3: people in their apartment building and complexes like hey, border patrols, 272 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 3: your ices here, No, you're rights, don't answer the door. 273 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 3: And then they had translators on the megaphone to make 274 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 3: sure that people understood what that meant. And then just 275 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 3: like over the course of maybe like an hour or two, 276 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 3: like the amount of federal officers that showed up just 277 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 3: like multiplied, and it kept multiplying, and by the end 278 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 3: of that night it was like us getting shot with 279 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 3: tear gas so that they could disburse the crowd. And 280 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 3: I think there was a moment there where I realized, 281 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 3: like what type of precedent was being set in that moment, right, 282 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 3: because that was just day one, and since then we've 283 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 3: seen the amping the intensity in which they've gone out 284 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 3: and targeted these communities. So I think there was a 285 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 3: moment of recognition. But I just truly don't think anyone 286 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 3: could have predicted how bad it was going to be. 287 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And now, like you mentioned, it hasn't been that 288 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: long ago. It's been about two months, right, but it's 289 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: also in that same range, so much has happened, you know, 290 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: I think with most things, when there's there's an immediacy, 291 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: there's an urgency to cover things. How do you feel 292 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: like the coverage is now two months later with the 293 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: raids with immigration, with deportations, do you feel that it's 294 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: still getting the same coverage has coveraged maybe or priority shifted. 295 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: How are you feeling like as someone on the ground. 296 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 3: You know, I think and I fall into this trap too. 297 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 3: It's like a lot of us, especially journalists that work 298 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 3: for like independent publications, like we want to be the 299 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 3: first ones to get to the site and the story, 300 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 3: and we want that scoop. I think a lot of 301 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 3: us learned really quickly like that was just not going 302 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 3: to be possible. 303 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 4: We could not be. 304 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 3: At every story, at every raid, at every you know 305 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 3: protest all the time, especially if you work in a 306 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 3: small newsroom, especially if you're already under resource. 307 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 4: And I know, like in my circle. 308 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 3: Of journalism colleagues, like so many of us are burnt out, 309 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 3: but we see this as like being a cause so 310 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 3: important that like we're willing to sort of push ourselves 311 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 3: beyond like that point. And we've found a lot of 312 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 3: like community in each other and being able to kind 313 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 3: of lean on each other during these times is like 314 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 3: really important. A lot of us are burnt out, but 315 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 3: I think we've got into a place where we understand, 316 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 3: like what are the things we individually need to sort 317 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 3: of recharge and like move on. I was watching this 318 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 3: panel last night about immigration reporting, and one of the 319 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 3: panels said, like, all of you in this room have 320 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 3: experienced like a trauma, and it's so normal for a 321 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 3: journalists to be like, oh, we were only to your guests, 322 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 3: Oh we were only you know. And it's true, like 323 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 3: I have all these moments in my head where I 324 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 3: didn't file reports and I actually have now filed reports 325 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 3: and grievances against local law enforcement because I think for me, 326 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 3: there's like a certain privilege in being a journalist who 327 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 3: can do that. Right, There's a lot of fellow journalists 328 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 3: who are of different immigration statuses, and so they're out 329 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 3: there and they're reporting, and they're risking their next for 330 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 3: this story too, and so I feel like if I'm 331 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 3: in a position where I can bring forth that information 332 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 3: and maybe seek out accountability in some way, like it's 333 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 3: my responsibility to do that. So now I'm actually documenting 334 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 3: and trying to be more I guess, like vigilant about 335 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 3: those types of instances. 336 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I want to ask you about you mentioned 337 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: this maybe urgency and this desire to be the first 338 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: person on the scene, the first journalist on the scene, 339 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: and you did get an exclusive a couple months or a 340 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, right, maybe a little over a 341 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: month ago now, But you interviewed the mother of a 342 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: US citizen who was taken into custody. He was detained 343 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: at Walmart in Pico Rivera, and you were able to 344 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: get that exclusive with his mother. So can you tell 345 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: me about that and how you accessed how you gained 346 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: access to her, and what the interview was Like. 347 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was such a just like happenstance, Like everything 348 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 3: that lined up for me lined up in that way. 349 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 3: I was actually like flying out of town, like I 350 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 3: was on my way to New Orleans for a journalism 351 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 3: conference and one of my fellow journalists basically gave me 352 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 3: this goop and was like, hey, we had the contact 353 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 3: for one of the family members of the US citizen 354 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 3: that got taken. And I think it was interesting because 355 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 3: in previous like there's always been kind of like a 356 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 3: protectiveness about like sources and resource sharing and things like that, 357 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 3: And in this moment in time, I'm seeing some of 358 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 3: like our journalistic like circles breaking that pattern or that 359 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 3: trend because we think that these stories are so important, 360 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 3: like it needs to be widespread. So he gave that 361 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 3: information out to everyone. I texted the sister and I said, hey, 362 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 3: have you guys been able to locate him yet at 363 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 3: that point they hadn't. And I was flying, I was 364 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 3: literally landing my plane and I was like, I'm going 365 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 3: to check into my hotel and I'm going to get 366 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 3: on Zoom and let's just like do this interview and 367 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 3: see if we can like help locate him somehow, right, 368 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 3: and like that was actually my first inclination. I was like, 369 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 3: not so much thinking about the story so much as 370 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 3: this point in time, it's been over twenty four hours 371 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 3: since you've been able to locate your son, Like someone 372 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 3: has to know where he is and we can use 373 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 3: the resources that we have to locate him. So we 374 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 3: got on a Zoom call. I was just asked her 375 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 3: kind of some of the basic questions where her head 376 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 3: was that what information she had. And then as soon 377 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 3: as the Zoom call was over, it was like midnight 378 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 3: where I was at and I was like, I have 379 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 3: to edit this now and I have to write this 380 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 3: story now, and so I like pushed myself to do 381 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 3: that and it was like maybe four in the morning 382 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 3: by the time that was done, and I posted it 383 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 3: live and like by the time I woke up, it 384 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 3: was like already viral. I was really happy to hear 385 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,239 Speaker 3: that they were able to locate him. And I know 386 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 3: some of my colleagues from like La Taco also were 387 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 3: able to do like a follow up story, and so 388 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 3: I felt like, yeah, like it was a situation that 389 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 3: obviously brought attention to my newsroom, Mccloonnews, and we were 390 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 3: able to get a lot of new followers from that. 391 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 4: But at the end of the. 392 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 3: Day, we were also able to locate Adrian, and that 393 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 3: was so important because this is a again an unprecedented 394 00:23:55,200 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 3: situation where they are essentially allowing mask vigilantes to scoop 395 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 3: up whomever whenever they want. 396 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: It was so frightening to see. I mean, I'm very 397 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: local to p Coriveda, It's very close to where I live, 398 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: and so when I saw that clip go viral of 399 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: him being detained by, like you said, this supposed ice agent, 400 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: a masked vigilante, and I think that there has been 401 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: maybe this sense of like self protection from like us 402 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: born Latinos, right of like okay, but I'm safe, quote 403 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: unquote right. But then we see these saw these instances 404 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: in the last couple of months where we have seen 405 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: US citizens being detained because they're being racially profiled, because 406 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: they also are not asking for any proof of documentation, right, 407 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: and even when they are, they don't care. And so 408 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: that was definitely frightening for me to see us someone 409 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: very local to the neighborhood. I want to go back 410 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,360 Speaker 1: to what you said about You mentioned this twice about 411 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: this your journalism circle and community like really acting in 412 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: like solidarity and moving maybe ways that are not considered 413 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: like journalistic, right, because like you said, there's this idea 414 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: that like the scoop is mine, the source is mine, 415 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: but the story and what's happening is so much bigger 416 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: than that. That you're working together in different ways that 417 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: maybe are unheard of, at least in the local level, right, 418 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: So can you talk more about that and like what 419 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: the differences are and maybe how you're seeing your colleagues 420 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: approach things differently. 421 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, I'm only speaking for my own experiences. 422 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 3: I don't know what the I guess outside larger journalism 423 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 3: community is doing in terms of like sharing resources right now. 424 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 3: But like I come from a non traditional journalism background. 425 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 3: I came from like a former organizer to journalism like Pipeline, 426 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 3: and those tend to be like the type of journalists 427 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 3: that I gravitate towards because we kind of have the 428 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,479 Speaker 3: same sense of like how we operate, like what values 429 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 3: we have when we're interviewing people. And I always tell people, like, 430 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 3: before I'm a journalist, before I am a reporter, I'm 431 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 3: a human being. And if I see or sense that, 432 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 3: like my the person that I'm interviewing is not comfortable, 433 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 3: They're not enthusiastically consenting to it, like I'm going to 434 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 3: take a step back, and I'm going to continue to 435 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 3: build that trust and cultivate that relationship and also just 436 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 3: be really transparent about like what they are agreeing to. Right, 437 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 3: I think right now, more than ever, it's like so 438 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 3: important that we are really clear with our sources about 439 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 3: what sorts of risks they're taking when they're sharing their stories. 440 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 3: And you know, you could be in a moment where 441 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 3: you feel very like amped up and like ready to act, 442 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 3: But what does that mean in the in the long term, 443 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 3: does that mean you risk being you know, targeted by 444 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 3: the alt right? Does that mean that your family members 445 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 3: are at risk? Now? 446 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 4: And so even having that organizer background is. 447 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 3: So helpful because it's like, hey, have you thought about 448 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 3: some of these like doxing protections, you know, before you 449 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 3: give me this like scoop. So yeah, I think in 450 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 3: my circles at least, there's this just like understanding that 451 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 3: we are public servants and we are here ultimately to 452 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 3: serve the public and art ourselves. 453 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it sounds like, you know, making this distinction 454 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: and we can't. We don't know however newsworm works, right, 455 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: But I can imagine that there's a difference between like 456 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: legacy media and the way they're approaching their sources, their stories, 457 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: the scoop that insider info versus the community journalists that 458 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,479 Speaker 1: have smaller newsrooms like Elie Taco, like Glo, right, And 459 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: so I can imagine that there's that that this difference 460 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: and this understanding like we may not have enough team 461 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: members right now to get this out, so can you 462 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: do it right? 463 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 3: And there's also like less degrees of separation between like 464 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 3: my writer and my editor. Like I see my editor 465 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 3: every day, So if I disagree with the headline or 466 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 3: the way that something was revised, like I'm going to 467 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 3: bring it. 468 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 4: Directly to her. 469 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 3: You know, we talked a little bit about this, or 470 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 3: it was just was mentioned on a panel I recently 471 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 3: saw where a large LA based news publication revealed the 472 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 3: full name and location of like a street vendor. And 473 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 3: it's very common to use full names and stories. It's 474 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 3: very common to you know, give out almost like unnecessary information. 475 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 3: Names are fine, but like having the exact intersections of 476 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 3: a street vendor really puts them at risk, right, And 477 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 3: so a lot of people really upset about that. And 478 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 3: I had already we had already had that conversation in 479 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 3: my newsroom. I was like, I'm not putting out last names. 480 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 3: If I'm using someone's name, it's going to be like 481 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 3: a last initial. I'm not giving out locations if we're 482 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 3: using photos, like are we blurring people? 483 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: Like? 484 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 4: What is our process for that? 485 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 3: And it was so in thing to me that a 486 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 3: newsroom as large as that one hadn't put that kind 487 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 3: of thought and consideration into it. 488 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: Absolutely when we so when we recorded with you in June, 489 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: we had to just put the interview that we had 490 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: with you on hold because we felt, you know, rapid response, 491 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: we have to talk about what's going on, and that 492 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: was one of the things that we were really feeling 493 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: at that time, and we still feel that way that 494 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: this is the testing ground and they want to see 495 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: the administration wants to see how we respond and how 496 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: they can stifle any response, which we have seen them 497 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: attempt to do. I saw even last night folks were 498 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: arrested outside the FED building. So things may. I think 499 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: that there's this sense of maybe normalcy right now, but 500 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: like things have not stopped, right. Maybe the National Guard 501 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: has pulled out of Los Angeles, but there is still 502 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: violence happening. 503 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 3: Right and the to that point, it's not that they're 504 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 3: just being pulled out. It's that there are people taking action, 505 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 3: people working behind the scenes that are taking legal steps 506 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 3: to protect absolutely people out here. And then there are 507 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 3: people who are engaging in direct action, right and so 508 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 3: there's like a multitude of ways in which people are 509 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 3: fighting back, and not all of them involve punching a 510 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 3: federal officer, you know. And so I think this idea 511 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 3: that like there's one way to fight, or there's one 512 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 3: right way that like Southern California should be protecting immigrant 513 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 3: communities is kind of like reductionists. But you know, I 514 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 3: even beyond that, they are now criminalizing behaviors that were 515 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 3: not priorly like considered criminal, right, Like, if you guys 516 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 3: are following what happened with Cso we've been organizing specifically 517 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 3: in East and South East LA for a long time. 518 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 3: Like they have two members who are being tacked with 519 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 3: just trumped up charges for things that are not really criminal, right, 520 00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 3: Like they grabbed Alejandro for distributing face mask right at protests. 521 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 3: So it's just like all the ways in which they 522 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 3: are finding reasons or justifications to criminalize and imprison us 523 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 3: as we are kind of figuring out ways to resist. 524 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: For folks that don't work in journalism, they're not working 525 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: in government, right, there can be this feeling of like 526 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: I'm living my quote life right now, but I have 527 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: all this heaviness that I'm carrying with me and things 528 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: feel weird and can I even quote enjoy myself right now? 529 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: And so I want to ask you how you're holding that. 530 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: I know you just I mean on a personal level, right, 531 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: I know you took some time off that you I'm 532 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: assuming was like very needed, right, and so like how 533 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: are you holding that? Is? Because you're a person, right, 534 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: and like you said, you're a person first, and you're 535 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: a journalist and you're a survivor of cancer, and so 536 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: how are you holding all these truths right now and 537 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: taking care of yourself. 538 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like so grateful for that time away because 539 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 3: I was like physically in a location where I could 540 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 3: not like access my phone or signal constantly, and so 541 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 3: with like a forced disconnect, which I never have, right 542 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 3: And even when you know, I talked to my colleagues 543 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 3: about this, even when I go on like a mental 544 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 3: health walk or something, I'm still on my phone. I'm 545 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 3: still plugged in. So having that forced disconnection was actually 546 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 3: really nice and super necessary. And it also kind of 547 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 3: like forced me to process some of what I've been compartmentalizing. 548 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 3: And I know this because I was like sitting there 549 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 3: like crying one day and I couldn't figure out why, 550 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 3: and I was like, oh my gosh, I just haven't 551 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 3: had a chance to like breathe, right, I haven't had 552 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,719 Speaker 3: a chance to think about everything we've just experienced in 553 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 3: the last couple of months. And you know, when you're 554 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 3: constantly like trying to push back some of those traumas 555 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 3: so that you can get to the next story or 556 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 3: report on the next lead, like you're not really taking 557 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 3: any time to understand how it's impacting you both like 558 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 3: physically and psychologically. But I think the time away was great. 559 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 3: Not everyone can take that time. I think leaning into 560 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 3: community and other people who have like shared experiences with 561 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 3: me has been like such a lifesaver. I've gained so 562 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 3: many new friends in the last couple of months, people 563 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 3: that like I've never met before because we have like 564 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 3: these shared traumas now really and there are not a 565 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 3: lot of people who understand like my specific experience right 566 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 3: as a journalist, as like former organizers, someone who has 567 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 3: identities with some of these communities that I'm reporting on. 568 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 3: But now like I've connected with so many people who 569 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 3: do have that. So that's been so important. And I 570 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 3: think obviously, like we all say like self care and 571 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 3: mental health and like a lot of that really calms 572 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 3: down to the systems in play. And it can't just 573 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 3: be the like face mask and the day to day, right, 574 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 3: it has to be like, how is your editor supporting 575 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 3: you in this moment, How is your newsroom stepping up 576 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 3: to ensure that you have like legal counsel if you 577 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 3: get arrested. It's having those securities and safety nets that 578 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 3: kind of give you a bit a bigger peace of 579 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 3: mind as you're like going into the field. 580 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for touching on that. At the top 581 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: of the conversation, you talked about like you and your 582 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: colleagues in some ways pushing yourselves to burn out to 583 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: get the story out, to get the coverage, to do 584 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: as much coverage as possible. How are you dealing with 585 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: that now two months in or two months later, even 586 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 1: though things haven't necessarily changed, but there's still an importance 587 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: of coverage, Like, do you still feel that you're pushing 588 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 1: yourself to like get it out? 589 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 3: Yes, and no. I think there's always going to be. 590 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 3: It's almost like a fomo of sorts, right, I'm like, 591 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,760 Speaker 3: why wasn't I at this protest? 592 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 4: Why wasn't? 593 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 3: But I think one thing that became really clear to 594 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,879 Speaker 3: me in the process of the last couple of months 595 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 3: is like, the protests are important, they're happening, and we 596 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 3: should be covering them. But while the protests are happening, 597 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 3: there are still all of these raids occurring in nearby areas. Right, So, 598 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 3: for example, the no Kink protest was like huge, and 599 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 3: I was there, I was covering it, But while that 600 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 3: was going on, there was also active raids happening in 601 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 3: like Downy and it's now inching closer to Long Beach. 602 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 3: And so as all of this is kind of playing out, 603 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 3: I'm like called to, you know, one story or another one, 604 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 3: and I have to think about like the impact again, 605 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 3: Like what is it that I really want to do 606 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 3: with my reporting? Can I help one family? Can I 607 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 3: share or showcase their story versus like another story about 608 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 3: a large scale protests. And you know, the No King 609 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 3: protests actually ended up being a really important story because 610 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 3: there was unwarranted escalation by both LAPD and LASD and 611 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 3: you might have seen that they actually weren't in communication 612 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 3: with each other and like accidentally tear gass each other, 613 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 3: and you know, like so there was no cohesive communication 614 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 3: amongst them, which resulted in like violence against peaceful demonstrators. 615 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 3: And that was a story and a lot of us 616 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 3: covered it. But at this point in time, I can 617 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 3: also cover other stories. I can talk to people who 618 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 3: have reached out to me who are in the process 619 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,399 Speaker 3: of going through their immigration hearing and they need someone 620 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 3: to follow them because they want to make sure that 621 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,240 Speaker 3: whatever happens, there's like documentation of it. And that's another 622 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,760 Speaker 3: really powerful way that you know you can tap into 623 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 3: these same stories of like immigration and hardship. 624 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: What is energizing you right now, right and like what 625 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:08,800 Speaker 1: is keeping you grounded while you're covering the magnitude of 626 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: what's happening in Los Angeles and beyond and also trying 627 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 1: to keep yourself like mentally and emotionally physically safe. 628 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 3: That is a great question because I don't even think 629 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 3: I've figured that out completely for myself. You know, I 630 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 3: think there are things that I can do that help 631 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 3: me sort of recharge for a bit, but it is 632 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 3: always like plugging your phone in really quickly and then 633 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 3: like leaving before it's fully charged. 634 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 4: You know. 635 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 3: That's like where I feel like I'm at right now. 636 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,720 Speaker 3: I'm always on like fifty percent battery. But I think 637 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,919 Speaker 3: that obviously leaning into community has been a big one, 638 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,399 Speaker 3: being intentional about like the stories I pursue and really 639 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 3: trying to understand like what I hope the outcome will be. 640 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 3: And then you know, as I'm like in the process 641 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 3: of wrapping up my fellowship and applying to like new newsrooms, 642 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 3: thinking about what environment I can see myself in right 643 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 3: like what sorts of people I want to surround myself 644 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 3: with over these next like four years and beyond, because 645 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 3: that is going to make all the difference. And I 646 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 3: think sometimes coming from like an organizer background, we tend 647 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,399 Speaker 3: to be in like a state of crisis, and it's 648 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,879 Speaker 3: so easy to let that like consume us, and that's 649 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 3: just not how we're going to survive, right, Like these 650 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 3: alright types, these fascists, like they're counting on us to 651 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 3: burn out, They're counting on us to get apathetic. And 652 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 3: the best way we can combat this is by like 653 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 3: continuing to nurture each other and replenish each other as 654 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 3: like community members and figure out ways to switch out 655 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 3: our roles, right, so we don't always have to be 656 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 3: the ones at the front line. 657 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I want to talk about like 658 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: tangible ways to be like an active community member. We 659 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: recently talked about all of the policies that are actually 660 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 1: hurting working families, mothers, children, and how like with that 661 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 1: in mind, like we have to be active community members 662 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: like with our own people, especially with like the mothers 663 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: in our lives. Maybe not our own mothers, but like 664 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: our friends who are moms, especially like new moms. And 665 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: so I want to I feel like we especially like 666 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: here at look. I thought we talk a lot about 667 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,880 Speaker 1: like show for your community, you have to be connected 668 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,319 Speaker 1: to each other, but what are some tangible ways we 669 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,240 Speaker 1: can actually show up for each other. 670 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 3: Being co existing in the same space more often, Like 671 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 3: I know, LA is so spread out and it just 672 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 3: takes so much energy to meet up someone for like 673 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 3: a cup of coffee. But I saw this actually with 674 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,800 Speaker 3: like a TikTok clip recently that said, like this girl 675 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 3: that was like amping herself to go out, and she 676 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,359 Speaker 3: was like remembering that if I want to be part 677 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 3: of a village, I have to be an active participant 678 00:39:59,320 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 3: like a village ye. 679 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:00,760 Speaker 1: To be a villager. 680 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that's you know, right now we're 681 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 3: seeing a lot more of that. People are showing up, 682 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,800 Speaker 3: showing out, but making that like a pattern in your life, 683 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 3: like making it habitual. 684 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 4: I think the other thing is. 685 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 3: That like there are like little ways right like you're 686 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 3: talking about like motherhood, there are little ways that we 687 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 3: can support each other that I think sometimes feel like 688 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:26,320 Speaker 3: maybe a burden. Like one of the hardest things I 689 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 3: most difficult things for me is finding someone to like 690 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 3: watch my dog. And I'm always the first one to 691 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 3: be like, oh do you want me to walk your 692 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 3: dog or you know what I mean. And it's just 693 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 3: like tiny things like that that would make community feel 694 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 3: like closer, make it easier for us to kind of 695 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,760 Speaker 3: rely on each other. Yes, yeah, and in these spaces 696 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,759 Speaker 3: providing like childcare, like accessibility that's a big one, like 697 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 3: are you going to have parking there? 698 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 4: Like yeah, you know. 699 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,359 Speaker 3: So it's just like thinking about and this is I 700 00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 3: have like a speel around accessibility justice because I'm a 701 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,479 Speaker 3: person with a disability. But I always tell my friends 702 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 3: that I was like all of these things like apply 703 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,240 Speaker 3: to able bodied people too, and like eventually everyone will 704 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 3: no longer be able bodied, but you should start implementing 705 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,720 Speaker 3: these practices into your spaces because it makes more people 706 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 3: want to come and be there regardless. 707 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 1: Well, on that note, I want to end on I 708 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,319 Speaker 1: want to end and acknowledge on the fact that you 709 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,440 Speaker 1: won an award recently. Yeah, and so let's talk about 710 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: the LA Press Club Award, what you won your award for, 711 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,239 Speaker 1: and just how you're feeling about it all. 712 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,839 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think awards are always such a mixed bag 713 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 3: for me because on one hand, you know, this is 714 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,319 Speaker 3: happening all in the middle of like all of this 715 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 3: really harmful violent raids. And so I'm receiving an award 716 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 3: for race and society reporting, and it feels again, I guess, 717 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 3: you know, dystopian, to be sitting there accepting an award 718 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 3: in a space that's kind of like protected or shielded 719 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 3: from that. 720 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:03,919 Speaker 4: Right. 721 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 3: And then on the other hand, and I tell my 722 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 3: colleagues all the time, I'm like, white people are submitting 723 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 3: for awards all the time. And I know so many 724 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,719 Speaker 3: journalists of color, so many queer journalists, so many journalists 725 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 3: of like different identities that have not been recognized for 726 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 3: their work just because like they're not submitting or their 727 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,400 Speaker 3: newsroom isn't submitting for them. And we need to do 728 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 3: that more, right, Like we need to be recognized for 729 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,400 Speaker 3: a work, and we need to be given our flowers 730 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 3: while we're still alive, while we're here. So when I 731 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:44,840 Speaker 3: do go into this, you know with gratitude and especially 732 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,880 Speaker 3: gratitude that the people who share their stories with me 733 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 3: did so I'm also recognizing that, like us, being in 734 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 3: the space is like distructive of the status quo. And 735 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 3: happy I won. Hope I win more awards, and I 736 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 3: also hope that like the people around me are like 737 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,759 Speaker 3: also winning all the awards, you know, and we can 738 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,040 Speaker 3: win the awards together. 739 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,920 Speaker 1: So thank you so much for joining us a second time. 740 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 1: I know this is a very different conversation, but I'm 741 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:11,799 Speaker 1: so glad we got to. 742 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,400 Speaker 4: Have it awesome. Thank you so much for having me again. 743 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,799 Speaker 1: Thank you Loka Motives for listening to another episode of 744 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,319 Speaker 1: Lokata Radio. 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