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I want to keep you 11 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: on alert because my guests provide tips on how you 12 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: can uplift your community, improve your financial planning, motivation, or 13 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: advice on how to be a successful entrepreneur. Now, let's 14 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: get this podcast started. My guess has established himself as 15 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: a brand, a world renowned brand, choreographer, director and producer. 16 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: In fact, as a dancer. He joined Jan and Jackson's 17 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: Rhythm Nation eighteen fourteen world tour in nineteen ninety'all remember 18 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: that was she had a little black suit. 19 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: Don't you know? A fan? Still a fan? 20 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: He's associated director and choreographer Michael Jackson. This is It Tour, 21 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: one of the most brilliantly Captain. 22 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 2: MoMA's I ever saw in my life. 23 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: If you haven't seen that, please take time to watch 24 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: that movie or documentary, whatever you want to call it, 25 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: is brilliant and serve as associate producer for Michael Jackson's 26 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: This is a documentary which grows two hundred and sixty 27 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: one million in global revenue. He's here today to talk 28 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: about his journey, his life and every people he's basically impacted. 29 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: Please welcome to the Money Making Conversation Masterclass. Travis Payne. 30 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: How you doing, Travis, Thank you, Sarah. 31 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 3: I appreciate you for Sean. I appreciate you having me. 32 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 3: Thank you everybody listening and watching. 33 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: Well, you know, the movie came out. I'm pretty sure 34 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: you've been a busy man, Travis. The movie I'm talking 35 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: about is Michael, and I'm pretty sure you've been well 36 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: just put this way, man. To be associated with the 37 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: brand of the Jacksons, to be associated with the king 38 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: of pop, Michael Jackson. Let's talk about that, that role 39 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: in your life and how do you deal with it? 40 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I got my start with Janet Jackson, a 41 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 3: ribber nation, as you said, and right out of high school. 42 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: Well, actually I went. 43 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 3: To High School in Atlanta Northside School of the Arts, 44 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 3: and then I went to Morehouse for a short time. 45 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 3: I grew up in normous academy dancing It's the Only Guy, 46 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 3: and then I was headhunted by a gentleman who was 47 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 3: working with the choreographer for Janet Jackson. 48 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 2: Wow. 49 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 3: So that's kind of how I got my introduction into 50 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 3: that realm. But of course, like many of us, I 51 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 3: grew up watching the Jacksons, and you know, Prince and 52 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 3: Madonna and you know, during that time, they were the trifecta, 53 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 3: and then came Janet and Paula Abdul and so I 54 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 3: was able to come to Los Angeles and feel it 55 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 3: out because all my life I thought I wanted to 56 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 3: move to New York to dance for Alvin Eley Right 57 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 3: and Broadway in that whole thing, but I didn't really 58 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 3: really know about the West Coast. So I got the 59 00:02:55,720 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 3: opportunity to replace the great Anthony Thomas, who's another for 60 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 3: a director that I look up to, on the Rhythm 61 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 3: Nation eighteen fourteen world tour and did that for the 62 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 3: final I think the final two legs or the final 63 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 3: leg of the show. Then I was able to audition 64 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 3: for Michael, for remember the time where I started my 65 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 3: almost two decades long career with him. But it's you know, 66 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 3: his dream come true. I can remember as far back 67 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 3: as five six years old, you know, loving the Jackson's cartoon, 68 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,399 Speaker 3: you know, the Victory Tours, the first concert I ever 69 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 3: went to, the first record I ever bought. And so 70 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 3: just to be you know, welcomed into that creative dynasty 71 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 3: has just been a blessing and continues to be. 72 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: What makes Travis a good dancer because we all think 73 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: we can dance, we all. 74 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: Think we can move. He'll be in that club be 75 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: Lyn dancer. 76 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 77 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: What makes a good dancer, Travis? 78 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 3: I think a good dancer is just someone who's open, 79 00:03:55,600 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 3: you know, who's not fearful to explore, meaning to just move, 80 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 3: you know, and not think about it, don't be afraid 81 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 3: of looking silly. You know, by by repetition, you build 82 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 3: your technique. 83 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: You know. I think that dance is a universal language. 84 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 2: I can't see. I hate humble people. I hate humble people. 85 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: That's what Travis is being humble right now. I am, 86 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: I am, but yeah, I felt. 87 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 3: What I do know is that you know, if you're 88 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 3: if you're training to be a professional dancer. So you 89 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 3: need to know a little bit about a lot, right, 90 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 3: and you need to have tough skin, especially if you're 91 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 3: coming to a market like Los Angeles or Network. But 92 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 3: as far as the as far as dance in general, 93 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 3: I think you know, it is saved. It is saved 94 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 3: countless lives, It sells infinite amounts of products, and you know, 95 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 3: remains one of the only what I call languages that 96 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 3: you don't have to, you know, be in any particular 97 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 3: place to understand. 98 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: You know, it unites us. I really do. 99 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: And you said you were recruited. When that person recruited you, 100 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: I had arder recruited you. What did he see in you, Travis? 101 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: That he went, it's a little bit different than what 102 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: I'm seeing in somebody else, male or. 103 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 2: Fem of course. 104 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 3: Well, that gentleman was Frank Gatson Junior. And I was 105 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 3: dancing at the Fox Theater in Atlanta. I don't know 106 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 3: if you remember Rich's Fashionada we would do. 107 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 108 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 3: So I was with my company, Gary Harrison Contemporary Dance Company, 109 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 3: and we were doing a show at the Fox. When 110 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 3: we finished the show, the young man said, do you 111 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 3: want to in fact talking about this? 112 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: This is that show. Wow, So it's a youngster. 113 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's and that's Gary Harrison, who's my dance father. 114 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 3: So we were backstage in that moment. Maybe Frank even 115 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 3: took that picture. But the gentleman said, had you ever 116 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 3: moved considered moving to la And I said, no, I'm 117 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 3: going to New York because I want to. You know, 118 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: I've been accepted to Alvin Aley for the summer. And said, well, 119 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 3: you really should consider it. And so, you know, over 120 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 3: a year or so went by, and you know, all 121 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 3: I knew about La is that's where Michael Jackson lived, 122 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 3: That's where the Encino Home was, That's where Jan and 123 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: the brothers lived. And I had Uncle Claude who was 124 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 3: out here and in Costa Mesa, and so I took 125 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,559 Speaker 3: a visit and I fell in love with the city, 126 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 3: and I fell in love with the with the energy 127 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,239 Speaker 3: here and the opportunity that was possible here during that time, 128 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 3: you know, because I left Atlanta pre La. 129 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: Face, pre Tyler Perry. 130 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 3: You know, we weren't a huge, you know, mecca of 131 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 3: entertainment yet so getting out here and being able to 132 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 3: do that was just a blessing. And so I think 133 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 3: Frank I think Lavelle Smith Junior too, you know, the 134 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 3: two of them were really instrumental in getting me started 135 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 3: and welcoming me into the fold and sort of showing 136 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 3: me how this city works. And not long after that 137 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 3: I would start with Janet. Why did you handle rejection, Travis? 138 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 3: I think I was so fortunate because I was so 139 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 3: young and kind of naive and didn't really put much 140 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 3: energy into it as far as as far as feeling rejected. 141 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 3: I knew that I was going to sometimes three or 142 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 3: four auditions a day. I knew early on that there 143 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 3: would be a lot of no's before you get to 144 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 3: the yes, right, you know, I was that was shared 145 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 3: with me. So I think that I came into this game, 146 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 3: you know, a little naive, not knowing what I didn't know, 147 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 3: and then I was able to have thick skin. I 148 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 3: think from my training and upbringing in Atlanta with Gary, 149 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 3: you know, because he treated us like young adults. We 150 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 3: were in part of a touring production called the Tour 151 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 3: Show that was really really popular in North Side School 152 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 3: of the Arts. So we had been traveling the world 153 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: throughout high school. So I had seen and been in 154 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 3: different professional environments, and so I just tell any young performer. 155 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 3: Thick skin, you know, put on your thick skin. Do 156 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 3: not leave home without it, you know, because from the 157 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 3: time you leave your home, anything could happen. You could 158 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 3: meet Quincy Jones, you could bump into a Kanye, you 159 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 3: could you know, be sitting at dinner with Missy or 160 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 3: at lunch with Pharrell, And you know, you want to 161 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 3: be in a place where you can approach, you know, 162 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 3: where you can try to have a conversation, where you 163 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 3: can ultimately try to, you know, collaborate with those other artists, 164 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 3: because I find that a lot of people here in 165 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 3: LA are trying to do the same thing. 166 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 2: Yes, they just don't have opportunities. Yes, you see. 167 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 3: So I think with preparedness and being ready and meeting opportunity, 168 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 3: you know, and fearlessness, you know, you can you can 169 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 3: have a pretty good time out here and make a 170 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 3: pretty good career for yourself. 171 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: Tell the audience a moment with Janet and then a 172 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: moment with Michael Jackson. 173 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 2: You went to yourself. Wow. 174 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 3: My first show with Janet was a while because everything 175 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 3: happened so quickly in the transition between Anthony Thomas and 176 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 3: myself that I didn't even meet her until after the 177 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 3: show Okay, and that was in Japan and Tokyo Dome 178 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 3: called the Big Egg, and that was a while for 179 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 3: me because that was my first time on a major 180 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 3: concert stage with one of my heroes. And to be 181 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 3: able to share the stage with her during that time, 182 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 3: you know, because Rhythm Nation was at its height, and 183 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 3: you know, being a fan of the work, you know, 184 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 3: to get that opportunity was just incredible. And then I 185 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 3: think similarly, you know, performing on stage with Michael where 186 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 3: we where we did get to sing as well, was 187 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 3: so electrifying and it was like we were superheroes. And 188 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 3: you know, but one one show in particular with Michael 189 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 3: that you know, was a while because there was so 190 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 3: many whiles with both of them over the years, including 191 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 3: screen where I got to co choreograph both of them 192 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 3: for the screen short film. But one of the one 193 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 3: of the standout moments for me with Michael was performing 194 00:09:52,480 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 3: for a sold out crowd in Israel and we there 195 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 3: was so much, so much, so many in attendance that 196 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 3: we were in a field, not even in an arena 197 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 3: or stadium, we were literally in a field. The stage 198 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 3: was built in the middle of a field and it 199 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 3: was overlooking the ocean was behind us, where the sea 200 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 3: was behind us, and there was a sea of people 201 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 3: in front of us. And you know, the same people 202 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 3: that are having conflict now and have for years were 203 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 3: in the same audience, arm in arm, singing. 204 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 2: We are the world or heal the world. 205 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: And so that kind of power, you know, not many 206 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 3: people have to bring enemies into the same space and 207 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 3: for a couple of hours get them to put down 208 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 3: their differences and just be people. You know, Janet and 209 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 3: Michael have been undoubtedly very very central to my career 210 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 3: and the foundation in which I've been able to build 211 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 3: a successful career, you know. But getting to work with 212 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 3: you know, young artists like an Elie Chappa recently it's great. 213 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 3: I've been directing music videos for and with him and 214 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 3: and his fiance Erica Raven. They you know, young, they're 215 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 3: both twenty three, you know. But then being able to 216 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 3: work like with greats like Donna Ross and Smokey Robinson 217 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 3: and Stevie Wonder and you know TLC and Usher and 218 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 3: you know Beyonce, Lady Gaga, you know in Vogue, who 219 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 3: was very very central. You know a lot of these 220 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 3: are two of these are for in Vogue, and just 221 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 3: being able to work at this level for so long. 222 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 3: It's a blessing. I think I'm entering thirty five years 223 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 3: in La. 224 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 2: I know it's tough, brother, La, thirty five. I was 225 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 2: that from fifteen. I know. Yeah. 226 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's it's no easy feet, you know. And 227 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 3: again it's it's been a lot of trial and error. 228 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 3: It's been a lot of blood, sweat and tears. It's 229 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 3: been a lot of no's, you know, and navigating that 230 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 3: landscape and making it, making it work despite no matter 231 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 3: what is going on, and pressure, you know, and so 232 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 3: you know, it's it's, it's it continues to be a 233 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 3: daily challenge to balance everything. 234 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 2: Please don't go anywhere. 235 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more money Making Conversations Masterclass. 236 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: No need for you to do me a favor right 237 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: now to follow our subscribe to Money Making Conversation. 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Let's talk about Let's 245 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: talk about you, my friend, you know, a director, choreographer, 246 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: because sometimes we look at these jobs which we don't 247 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: understand them, then we can't understand the difficult nature of them. Right, 248 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,599 Speaker 1: you're bringing brought in to create. Talk about the process 249 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: of being a creator, being a director, and being a 250 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: person who have to challenge people physically to do a 251 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 1: task that initially only you can see. 252 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 3: Well, I do like to say that what I do 253 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 3: you know as a creative, as a director, a producer, choreographer, 254 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 3: you know, is yes, it's physical, of course, but it's 255 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 3: also emotional and spiritual, just because you know, you have 256 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 3: to motivate, you have to encourage, you have to you know, 257 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 3: make your clients feel safe, you know, and certainly make 258 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 3: them the best versions of themselves for whatever the project is. 259 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: And to that point, every project is very different, you know. 260 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 3: Some require months and months and months of preparation and 261 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 3: some are show up on the day and go for it, 262 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 3: you know, So it really really varies. So my process 263 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 3: is definitely getting involved with understanding what the goals are, 264 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 3: you know, certainly, if it's a if it's something that 265 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 3: has to do with commerce, you know, and it's generating 266 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 3: any sort of profit, you have to understand what those 267 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 3: goals are first. So a lot of times I would 268 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 3: I kind of try to back into what's best so 269 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 3: I understand where we're going and where we are and 270 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 3: just try to meet right so that all of the 271 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 3: boxes can be checked so that the client is happy, 272 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 3: the ad in marketing agency is happy, the the you know, 273 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 3: the the viewership or the buyer, you know, gets what 274 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 3: the message is. Whether it's a music video to promote 275 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 3: a song, or whether it's a concert to promote an album, 276 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 3: or a commercial to sell a product. You know, one 277 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 3: of the things that I did. 278 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 4: A few years ago was I did the very first 279 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 4: ever Gap Khakis campaign, which for for that company in 280 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 4: that year, they sold a billion dollars worth of khaki pants, 281 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 4: right because of that series of commercials and I did 282 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 4: the first one, and so you know, that further helped 283 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 4: me understand, you know that that entertainment, dance and music 284 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 4: specifically are huge, huge. 285 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: Generate huge profits. 286 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 3: And really moved the needle when we're talking about the 287 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 3: bottom line for any company. So you have to understand 288 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 3: that from that perspective too, because now as I've had, 289 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 3: as I have grown in my career, my interest is 290 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 3: not just what's on stage in the creative right, the 291 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 3: business of entertainment is. 292 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 2: Really what drives a lot of my process. Now, let's 293 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 2: keep that on. 294 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 3: Has to make sense. Otherwise it's a hobby. You know, 295 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 3: it's not generating a profit. 296 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: So let's keep that own business there, Travis, Because you know, 297 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson was just a black kid out of Gary, Indiana. 298 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: He changed the economics of entertainment. I like to believe 299 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: he did. He did, still does talk to us about that. Yeah, 300 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, his movie I believe is probably close to 301 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: a billion dollars globally. The movie we're talking about, Michael 302 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: h and drafted, which I'm so happy was directed by 303 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: a black man. 304 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 3: Okay, work with a handful of times as well. So 305 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 3: I got to see them on set and at the 306 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 3: premiere here in LA and you know, yes, I'm very 307 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 3: very happy about that. But Michael, as far as the 308 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 3: business acumen, perfect case study and how to navigate this 309 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 3: this this entertainment landscape, you know, almost too smart for 310 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 3: his own good and so I think that because if 311 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 3: you look at things like Thriller, which was his biggest 312 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 3: arguably his biggest album, and still you know, Reign Supreme 313 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 3: is the top selling album in the world. Historically, his 314 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 3: business for that didn't completely benefit him. You know, there 315 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 3: were some collaborators that he worked with, mister Jones and Temperton, 316 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 3: you know, who benefited from that relationship and collaboration just 317 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 3: as much as he did. 318 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 2: But in later years he. 319 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 3: Would realize that, you know, there are other aspects of 320 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 3: the creative process that matter just as much as the 321 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 3: creative because they are the business. So that's the music publishing, 322 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 3: that's the sound rights, that's the writing credits, that's all 323 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 3: of those things, and then years two acquire publishing of 324 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 3: other artists and be able to monetize that, you know, 325 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 3: so that with the Beatles, I think that not only 326 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 3: the Beatles, but there was Elvis, there's you know, you 327 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 3: know a lot of people don't know that, you know, 328 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 3: Lady Gaga, her publishing was on Michael It's on the 329 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 3: A TV. 330 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: And many you know, artists. 331 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 3: And in later years when you know, he was you know, 332 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,719 Speaker 3: had issues rather than getting you know, angry or resentful. 333 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: He just purchased that artist publishing. What does music do 334 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: do for you? Travis Payne, Well, music is has been 335 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: a central ingredient to my life's work. 336 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 3: It has always been there as a comfort, It's been 337 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 3: there as an educator, it's been there as inspiration. But 338 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 3: but music, I can't I can't imagine the world, my 339 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 3: world without music, absolutely, you know. 340 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:01,719 Speaker 2: You know. 341 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: Even though we see a tremendous amount of success in 342 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: the movie Michael right, there were some people went, is 343 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: it people? Does Michael still resonate? Not everybody's saying Michael resonates. 344 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 1: Why does Michael Jackson still resonate? I understand my age, okay, 345 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: but he's resonating with the young people. Why it's a 346 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: big question, Travis, can you. 347 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 2: I know, I know why. 348 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 3: I think it's because what Michael created over his decades 349 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 3: long career, especially as a soloist, was so innovative and groundbreaking. 350 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 3: Not only the what you hear, but what you saw, 351 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 3: the style, the fashion, the films, the the sort of vibe. 352 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 3: All of it was so branded. Right before everybody was 353 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 3: walking around talking about my brand, he was doing that. 354 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 3: He was doing signature things like his Fedora people around 355 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 3: the world know who Michael Jackson is, even if they 356 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 3: can't understand English, they know those two words Michael Jackson. 357 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 3: And I think that the combination of Michael's determination to 358 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 3: always do something innovative that breaks the mold and pushes 359 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 3: the envelope, that means that the work itself, and he 360 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 3: would say, is this going to be cool in ten years? 361 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 2: Is this going to be cool in fifty years? You know? 362 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 3: And that was kind of a litmus test about some 363 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 3: of the decision making we'd have. You know, he didn't 364 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 3: want to do something that had been done before. He 365 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 3: didn't care if it was you know, if someone had 366 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 3: done it in a great way, he wouldn't he wouldn't 367 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 3: respond to it. It was like he wanted to always 368 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 3: create his own specific lane. And I think that that 369 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 3: is why a lot of fans and even new fans, 370 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 3: and even Michael Jackson has fans that haven't been born 371 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 3: yet will connect to the imagery and the music and 372 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 3: his messaging. 373 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: You know, when I think about your life, you know, 374 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to just talk about Janet Jackson the 375 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: Nation tour, but the documentary that you was fortunate to 376 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 1: wake up this is it. 377 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 2: I watched it. It was like. 378 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: A documentary about like you said, detail, because he was 379 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: detailed or he was there at the practice. It was 380 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: like watching. He knew who was dancing with him, he 381 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: knew why they were dancing with him with him. Talk 382 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: about your participation in that project and what was your 383 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 1: biggest takeaway from that project. 384 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 3: Well, I was in Las Vegas with Kenny Ortega, who's 385 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 3: a dear friend and collaborator and mentor of mine over 386 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 3: the years, and we were at the wind Hotel opening 387 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 3: the Encore. We were doing the opening weekend for the Encore, 388 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 3: which involved a creative event with all of the Winds 389 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 3: guests and everything and opening the hotel, and so Kenny's 390 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 3: phone wrung, his eyes got big, he said Michael. I 391 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 3: was like okay to him, and then that's how we 392 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 3: learned about Michael's desire to go back out and his 393 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 3: reasonings for doing it, which I just mentioned, and so 394 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 3: long story short, we wound up in a meeting once 395 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 3: we got back to La he kept saying, this is it, 396 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 3: this is it a million times. It's time. We got 397 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 3: to tell the world what's going on. We got to 398 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 3: caution them, we got to ring the alarm. We have 399 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 3: to do all these things, and so Kenny's like, well, 400 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 3: why don't you just call the show this is it? 401 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 3: You said it one hundred thousand times that then we'll 402 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 3: just say this is it. And so that's how we started, 403 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 3: and you know, the what was interesting was that this 404 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 3: was going to revolutionize the way artists toured and that 405 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 3: we would do residencies in different countries. You know, conventional 406 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 3: tours would leap frog and do maybe a few days 407 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 3: at a time. We were going to live in London 408 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 3: for you know, nine months and then moved to the 409 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 3: next place and lived there while the shows happened. And 410 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 3: so to be included as a director for this is 411 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 3: it was obviously a huge, huge blessing for me. Having 412 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 3: started as a dancer for Michael and then choreographer and 413 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 3: ultimately directing and then and then producing the documentary. That 414 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 3: was just a wonderful career trajectory, you know, much of 415 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 3: which Michael was directly involved with. You know, he told 416 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 3: me when it was time to choreograph, he told me 417 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 3: when it was hard for me to direct, when he 418 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 3: thought I was ready, and then of course we were 419 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 3: tasked with producing the documentary after his passing but the 420 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 3: experience itself was great until it wasn't. And you know, 421 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 3: we know how the story you know went, you know, 422 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 3: on June twenty fifth, as we approached that date as well, 423 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 3: it was and it still remains a bittersweet. It does 424 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 3: not get easier. 425 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 2: You know. 426 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 3: I miss him more and more day, and especially with 427 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 3: his biopic now out. I'm so proud that the fans 428 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 3: will get some more Michael, and the new fans will 429 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 3: get to get introduced to Michael, and that you know, 430 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 3: that that his music sees and sees the next generation 431 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 3: and that people can really sort of get into his 432 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 3: ideas and what he was really about and what his 433 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 3: purpose on what he felt his purpose was here on 434 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 3: this planet. But but for me, as a young guy 435 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 3: from Atlanta, Georgia, you know, to get all the way 436 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 3: to that place was really dream come true. It's surreal, 437 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 3: but it was exactly what I wanted to do and 438 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 3: I knew I would do from an early age, you know. 439 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 3: So you know that I think is important to know too. 440 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 3: You have to have the nerve to think that you 441 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 3: can have to you know a lot of people say, 442 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 3: well your delusional, Well no, I am committed. 443 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 2: There you go myself. There you go, and I'm prepared right. 444 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 3: So you know, if you stay ready, you don't have 445 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 3: to get ready, as my parents would say, or you know, 446 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 3: we have to work much harder than others when we 447 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 3: get into the rooms. That was always a part of 448 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 3: my fabric and remains to this day, like. 449 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 2: I always help you top of myself. If you have 450 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 2: a gift, leave with your gift. 451 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: Don't let your friends, family or co worker stop you 452 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: from planning or living your dream. My guess Travis Paine 453 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 1: has lived and is living his dream. My brother, This 454 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: is a good interview for me. Man, I'm smiling. Got 455 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: to talk to somebody who touched genius. Dance with genius, 456 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: h gout with geniuses, My boy boy. 457 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,239 Speaker 3: I'm going to be back planning a lot of that, 458 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 3: a lot more experiences with not only Michael and Janet, 459 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 3: but all of the artists I've worked with at these 460 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 3: forty years. In my documentary The Movie Maker, which I'm 461 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 3: in production for now, I've just shown a teaser of 462 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 3: it in the Yokhama International Film Festival earlier this month. 463 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 3: And so yeah, so I've got I've got my own, 464 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 3: you know, my own story coming to audiences very very soon. 465 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 2: You're doing right. Okay, you lived that same timeline. 466 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 3: When you're talking about strategy and you're talking about art 467 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 3: and commerce, you have to look at opportunities to write. 468 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 3: So for me, this is a huge moment for Michael 469 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 3: and his brand, and because of my association, you know, 470 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 3: to me, it makes sense to not not ignore the 471 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 3: fact that this is a huge Michael moment, a huge 472 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 3: Michael look. So from the premiere earlier this month in 473 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 3: LA to the premiere next week in Japan in Tokyo, 474 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 3: and then through June and October, it's all Michael season 475 00:26:55,160 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 3: to me, you see. So I am just grateful to 476 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 3: be able to you know, spend some time with you 477 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 3: today talk about the great Michael Jackson. 478 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: Okay, hey, Travis, now you know we've been talking. Now 479 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: I got to let people know how to reach out 480 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: to you, because you know, I got the contact, but 481 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: let everybody else know how they can reach out, you know, website, 482 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: social those handles. 483 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 3: Of course, my social media is Travis payin one t 484 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 3: R A v I, S P A y n E 485 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 3: one that's on Instagram, on x and TikTok it's Travis Pain. 486 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 3: And then website is Travispain dot com, t R A 487 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 3: v I, s P A y n E dot com 488 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 3: and uh yeah, and the move Maker is coming to 489 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 3: you very very soon. I'm working on it very hard 490 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 3: and I'm excited about where it's going. And a lot 491 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 3: of other a lot of other things that have a 492 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 3: group Travis Japan who are on their third album. We're 493 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 3: finishing a show, Herosawa's debut EP, both Japanese artists. I 494 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 3: do a lot of work there and especially love Asia 495 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 3: and so from me, Atlanta, Los Angeles and Tokyo are 496 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 3: really my hubs right and and so hopefully I can 497 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 3: I can meet you one day in person with there you. 498 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: Will, you will, There's no doubt. 499 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 2: There's no doubt. Travis, come on now, thank you doing 500 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 2: on the show. Brother, appreciate you man, thank you, sir. 501 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 2: I appreciate you cool. Thank you for listening to this episode. 502 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: Now, I need for you to do me a favor 503 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: right now to follow or subscribe to Money Making Conversations. 504 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: It's free and you can find it on the iHeartRadio app, Spotify, 505 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Please do 506 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: me that favor, follow or subscribe money Making conversations keep 507 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: winning