WEBVTT - The OTP | NFL Scouting Combine Day 1 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:14.400 This is the OTP presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans. 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:17.960 Farm Bureau Health Plans has been serving members and protecting 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:21.360 their health for seventy six years. Learned about our Tennessee 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:26.400 roots at FVHP dot com. Day two from Indianapolis, Indiana. 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.680 Amy Wells, Rhett Bryan, coach Dave McGinnis. I'm Mike Keith, 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:33.040 glad to have you with us. We're combining. We are 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:38.240 rolling with the Combined in Indianapolis, Indiana for twenty twenty three. 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:42.080 Dave McGinnis, I have to ask you right off the top, 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:48.160 how many minds are changed in a draft room, whether 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:52.320 it be scouts or coaches by what happens here. A 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:55.080 lot of what happens here, Mike, and it's a relevant question. 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:58.200 Make you go back to the film, because everybody's got 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:00.920 a board of temporary boards set up. You know, they've 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:04.280 got their front board, their backboard temporarily set up. But 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:07.679 some of the things that you thought you saw on film, 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:10.200 the things that you can't discern sometimes depending on the 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:12.840 level of play of these players, is the true speed 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:15.959 of the players. You know, true speed, that's number one, 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:18.679 and then you get a true measurement of the people 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:21.680 it'll make you go back to the tape. It doesn't 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:24.920 change a whole lot of minds as far as football 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:29.479 playing ability wise, but maybe some of moving people just 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.640 a little bit within position groups, it might change it 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:35.640 a little just because of the physical testing that goes 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:39.080 on here, also the medical testing that goes on here. 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.040 There are things that are found out here, you know sometimes, 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:44.319 I mean there's several players that have come through here 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.080 that have been found with congenital heart problems that were 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:51.000 missed you know, on collegiate exams. A lot of those 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:55.160 things will will cause the positionals to shift a little bit. 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:58.520 But there's a there's been so much work done tape 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:01.680 wise on these guys are ready to this point that 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.680 there's not a you go back and recheck the tape 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:07.200 to see if some of these things that they've done 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:10.359 here physically, especially if you've got a guy rated lower 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:13.520 but physically they test really high, you go back and 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:16.280 see if maybe you can find out why Now Mac 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:20.840 in this draft specifically, it feels like for the entirety 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:23.520 of the offseason, we have been talking about trades that 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:28.040 could happen early and often it seems to be the 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:32.680 overwhelming opinion that the draft lineup that we know today 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:37.680 February twenty eighth will not be the same on April 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:42.359 twenty seventh, when the draft begins. How much does that 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:46.200 knowledge that there will be trades, that so much of 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:49.040 this is going to look different impact the way that 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:52.320 you ingest that all of the information that you're getting 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:54.960 from Indianapolis. What you try to do is you try 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.320 to separate it at this time of year. You try 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:00.400 to get these evaluations just at face value to what 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:04.960 these evaluations are, and then the other things come into being. 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:08.880 First of all, everybody's working are reworking their salary cap 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:12.120 to this point, there are going to be players released, okay, 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:14.400 And then as and you make a very good point, 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:17.160 when free agency comes in, then all of a sudden, 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:20.359 some of your priorities may change. But what you try 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:22.440 to do is you try to do this at this 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:25.600 time of year, and your right to differentiate and separate 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.399 the times because the time frames are different. But right 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:30.880 now you are trying to look at this within the 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:34.600 context of right now, where do they fit? And then 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:37.640 all those other factors that are relevant factors that will 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:40.400 figure in as we all get closer to a draft 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.800 day and the draft. They will all figure in, but 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:46.240 not at this point. They don't. Not at this point 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.600 because at this point you don't really know how everything's 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:55.000 set yet. Florida quarterback Anthony Richardson, I believe he has 0:03:55.040 --> 0:04:00.760 the most to gain this week in money and showing 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:07.240 his talents. Otherwise, well, Anthony Richardson, when we all know 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:10.560 the quarterback draft is a separate draft, but Anthony Richardson 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:17.400 is a is a very divergent ratings by everybody, very divergent. 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:20.280 The thing that I think everyone agrees on are the 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:25.280 physical tools and the physical abilities are there. Then you 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:28.239 start digging deeper into it, you know, you go into 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.680 a less time played. You know, I mean, if if 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:33.800 if you want to look at the Utah game, just 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.760 put the Utah game on and watch him play, watch 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:40.039 him play against Utah, and you go, WHOA, watch the 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:42.640 Missouri game. You know, I've watched the Missouri game. But 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:46.120 you I mean, but he's operating as a quarterback that 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:49.440 you say, Okay, this is the package that we want 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.080 making on time throws. It can run is you know 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:57.120 is and then some games it's not there at all. 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:00.240 And so that's gonna be something that you're going to 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:05.320 have to quantify within yourself. When you're drafting quarterbacks high 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:09.560 in the draft, you clearly need one, but a lot 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:13.520 of times, and especially to Amy's point, you talk about 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:17.200 moving closer to the draft, if you need a quarterback, 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:22.200 then your desperation meter goes up. We've been there, yeah, 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:24.240 I mean, your desperation meter goes up. And all of 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:28.000 a sudden, you said, regardless of anything else that I 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:32.120 am seen on the negative side, we believe we can 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:33.880 get it out of him, and plus we got to 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:37.760 have one. So he's got a lot of traits to him. 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.880 And I firmly believe there are four quarterbacks that have 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:44.240 separated themselves from the rest, and he's one of them. 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:49.359 So see, if you agree with this statement, someone here 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:55.080 will fall more in love with Anthony Richardson much more 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.760 likely than someone will fall in love with him for 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:04.000 the first time. Correct. Correct. A lot of this will 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:08.839 depend on and of course, first of all, how he isthmatically. 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.520 You know, we don't know any of that yet. And 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:13.599 then how is he going to be just sitting like 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:16.400 this like we're sitting right here, you know. And then 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.280 just in the short amount of time that you have here, 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:22.479 I was on the staff when we vetted Marcus Mariota 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:25.040 and Jameis Winston coming out together, they were the top. 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.280 They were one two, you know when when when they 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:29.040 were coming out here and we weren't going to take 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:30.919 a quarterback, but we had to vet them. Okay, you 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:32.920 have to vet them and go in and the time 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.359 that they can spend on the board in a short 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:39.039 eighteen minute span, you know, in a room, you know, 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:42.919 you try to ingest what they're giving to you and saying, 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:45.320 can does this guy have it to be able to 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:49.000 be able to do it? But your question is absolutely right, 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:51.120 somebody's going to come out of this and say that's 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:54.320 our guy. For sure, for sure, that's our guy, And 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:57.480 then the other people will go, yeah, that was better 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:00.120 than we thought, but we're still scared to death. One 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.479 hundred percent true, one percent true, and some you know, 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:07.000 we'll come out of there saying that's exactly what I 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.279 thought it would be and it's not for us. We 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:12.600 had a chance to talk draft with the NFL Networks 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:17.720 draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah. Here's that visit from Indianapolis a 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:29.200 day two of the OTP. Daniel Jeremiah, I talked with 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:33.800 someone in mobile who feels like this year's draft we'll 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.520 have a class at the top with less first round 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:40.880 grades than in normal years. In listening to your teleconference 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:44.960 last week, it sounds like you agree with that. Maybe 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:48.400 fifteen first round grades instead of twenty to twenty five. Yeah, 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.800 I think that's fair. That's a fair number. It's again, 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:53.800 it's it's why it's going to be an intriguing draft 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:57.360 because there's not that there's normally a shelf in somewhere, 0:07:57.600 --> 0:07:59.240 and I don't even know if everybody agrees on where 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.360 that shelf is. Some might think it's fewer than that. 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:03.840 So to me, that's where you're gonna have a team. 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:06.320 He might be. You're gonna see teams in the draft 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:07.840 room and I've been in there when this happens and 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:09.480 you see the thirteenth pick and you're like, he was 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:12.120 our forty eighth guy just went with the thirteenth pick, 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:14.679 Like that's There's gonna be a lot of variants around 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:18.800 the league. We've talked a lot about different position groups 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:20.680 over the years, but it feels like it's been a 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:25.239 while since we've really dove into tight ends, especially during 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.680 combine week, But this year it seems like there's a 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.000 really good group of tight ends. What stands out to 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.839 you about that position group it stands out is I 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:35.720 wish they would spread it out a little bit because 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:37.520 there's so many years when I'm going through and watching 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:39.640 all those guys, I'm like, you're watching one after them 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:41.360 that these guys aren't any good. Like there's one guy, 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.959 you watch fifteen more guys and I, oh, this guy's okay. 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:45.719 This time you're going through the tight enness, I'm like, 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:47.920 this guy's really good, next one really good. Like they 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:50.760 all have different strengths, so you have different styles of 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:52.679 you know, what you're looking for, you can find it 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.280 in this draft. And one of the storylines with that 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:58.040 position for me is gonna be did they get punished 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.160 because there's so many of them and teams are gonna say, well, 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:02.640 you know what, we have a little higher grade on 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:04.520 this tight end in the first round, but you know what, 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:06.320 we can get this other tight in the fourth round. 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:09.079 So let's address the tackle need. Let's address some of 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:12.240 these other needs where maybe the depth isn't quite there, Daniel, 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:15.319 Let's play Devil's advocate for a second. Though. This wide 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:17.920 receiver group is much different this year at the top 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:19.959 than it has been in previous draft. So do they 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:23.520 benefit from that because there are past catching tight ends 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.560 in this draft. I think that, you know, the receiver 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:29.000 thing is going to be really interesting because we've had 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:31.320 such a run over the last few years and there've 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:33.720 been you know, these high end, high end players, they've 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.480 jumped right into the next level and just dominated, not 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:39.560 not like played or been good players dominated early in 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.440 their careers. So we don't have that this year. And 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:45.600 I think there's a there's an intriguing group of mid 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.679 round wideouts, but I think the teams are gonna look 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:50.760 at that as as weapons this year, and they're gonna 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:53.280 they're gonna lump these tight ends and wide receivers together, 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:55.559 and I think that you're gonna see tight ends replacing 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.080 wide receivers in this draft. The Titans have the eleventh 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:01.400 selection in the first round Daniel Jeremi. That seems to 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:03.120 be a place they will be able to get one 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:05.480 of the elite players if they want to. There is 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:09.440 discussion about the Titans potentially moving up to go grab 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:11.520 a player that really fits them. The question I have 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:14.880 for you, however, is since the Titans figure to get 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:18.000 an elite player at number eleven. What would be the 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:21.560 market for somebody wanting to come up and get eleven 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.760 and maybe the Titans be able to gather some picks 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.320 if they were willing to move back. Well, the name 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:32.240 I would tell Titan fans is Anthony Richardson. You want 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.360 Anthony Richardson to be there when you pick, because you're 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:37.600 going to I think you'll have some options. There's you know, 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:39.560 we'll see this is a roller coaster ride with this 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:43.000 quarterback class. The expectation is the top three guys are 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:45.120 going to be gone, They're gonna go early, and then 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:47.440 that leaves Richardson as the fourth and most a lot 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:50.440 of people feel like that's the you know, the last high, 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.040 high ceiling quarterback in the draft is Richardson. Now, his 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:56.200 rows can be, but I think teams, as we go 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:57.920 through this process and in the spring, there's gonna be 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:00.480 some teams they're gonna talk themselves into Anthony richards because 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:02.480 of what he can be. And if you're a team 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.959 that's picking around where the Titans are and you kind 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:07.160 of look over history, that's been kind of a trading 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:10.960 spot for quarterbacks. You think Deshaun Watson, Mahomes like Um, 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.080 that's kind of an area where teams have looked to go. 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:16.120 So I think that's the name. And you want Anthony. 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:18.440 You want to Anthony Richardson buzz to build as we 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:19.880 go through the spring, and you want him to be 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:21.719 there when you pick, and maybe the Titans just say 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:26.079 forget it, We'll just take him ourselves if they keep 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:30.360 Bryan Tannehill is the quarterback. Yeah, would Anthony richards And 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.280 make a ton of sense for Tennessee at eleven. I 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:35.840 think you'll you'll get pushed back and people will say, well, 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.800 he's a similar player to Malik Willis, and aren't you 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:41.520 kind of is this a duplicate? I think he's got 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:45.439 more ability than Malik Willis does, and to me, he's 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:49.120 an intriguing option. I you know, I was doing the 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:51.120 Charter game last year. We talked about during the game 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:54.160 and when Willis came in there and just the threat 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:56.400 of him as a runner, I thought, oh gosh, and 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:58.520 a Charger team that struggled against the run, this could 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.160 be problematic. And then Hill tought that out went back 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:02.880 in the game. But I still look at the makeup 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.080 of this team in the DNA of this team with 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:09.640 Vrabel and think, gosh, an athletic running quarterback mixed in 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:11.880 with what they have kind of makes a lot of sense. 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.000 But you know, I don't know what the evaluation of 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:16.719 Malik Willis is in the building. I'm just saying that 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:19.720 Anthony Richardson is a more dynamic version of Malik Willis. 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.840 You said something that's interesting to me about Anthony Richardson 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:24.720 and how he's kind of a raw player, and we're 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:27.240 seeing more and more of that, guys like Lucas Vanesse 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:30.880 who have a very kind of unconventional resume. It seems 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:33.360 like every year there's a little bit more of a 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.600 premium being placed on guys with just raw ability and 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:40.200 maybe they're not the most polished athlete. Is that maybe 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:44.040 indicative of an evolution of philosophy across the NFL that 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.559 maybe we don't need the sharpest tool, but we need 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:49.840 someone with a lot of potential. Maybe. Yeah, it's just 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.240 traits based scouting, you know. So it's a it's a 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:55.760 constant tugle war in the draft room. It's production versus traits. 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:57.719 And you can look at it and say, well, look 0:12:57.800 --> 0:12:59.840 what all he's done, And then you have people in 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:01.440 the him and say he is what he is. There's 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:03.240 nothing left and you can look at the other guy 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:05.280 and say, look at all the traits he possesses. He's 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.600 got so much more room to grow. He can be 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:10.080 a blue level player, an elite level player, and we 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:11.760 feel like we can get it out of him. But 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:15.160 you mentioned Lucas Vaness. To me, that's a fascinating story 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.199 because you're watching the video and I'm like, you, guys 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.880 a really good player, he's dynamic, he's explosive. What the 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:23.480 heck why doesn't he start? And it took me a 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:25.319 couple months before I finally got the answer on that, 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:28.120 and they said, look, that's that's the Iowa program. When 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:31.720 they have upper classman seniors leaders. Those guys start even 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:33.319 though they know the other guys a better player, and 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:35.520 he's gonna end up playing more snaps over the game. 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:38.640 It's a it's an honor thing, so to speak with 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.160 their with their veteran leaders. So that's kind of what 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:43.600 this combine's about. It's about what the Spring is about 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:45.880 is digging in and trying to learn more about these 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:49.080 guys and you know why certain things took place, but 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:51.680 you are seeing a trend towards teams betting on the traits. 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:55.880 So at eleven, the Titans obviously have a need on 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.360 the offensive line. Tator to one has been released left 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:01.720 tackle as as a subject, Yeah, well, Mike told me 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:03.000 when I was saw him there in the fall that 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.880 he was very pleased with the tackle situation going forward 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:10.840 and he didn't have any concerns what Jeremiah in spite 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:16.240 of his family life. Okay, so it's Paris Johnson Junior 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:19.040 talking about. But you have already stood on the table 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:22.640 for Peter Scronsky of Northwestern and there's been debate of 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:25.560 everything I've read. Is he inside better suited as a guard? 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.240 Is he a tackle? Is he a tackle? I think 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:30.320 he can be a tackle. I do. And I had 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:34.240 this same conversation, the same discussion on Elijah Vera Tucker 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:35.760 when he was coming out of USC a couple of 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.280 years ago. So he goes to the Jets and the 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:40.440 Jets plug him in a guard and he played at 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:42.920 a really high level, and people said, see, we knew 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:44.200 he was a guard, and then all of a sudden, 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:46.160 tackle got hurt that kicked him out the tackle. Turns 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:49.080 out he's really good at both. So that to me 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.920 is Scronsky. Now it'll be big for him this week 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:53.680 with the arm length, just to see, you know what 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:55.360 that looks like. I know he's not a real long 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.760 arm guy. You're hoping they don't come in with somewhere 0:14:57.800 --> 0:14:59.240 in the thirty ones. As long as he's in the 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.480 mid thirty two or you know, I think he's he's 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:04.400 gonna be fine. Um, but yeah, I watched him on tape, 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:06.560 and you watch guys. You know, it's really interesting when 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:08.520 you look at the Big ten in the SEC. I 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:10.880 was talking to a scouting buddy was on my flight 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:12.800 and I said, you know, would be interesting if a 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.000 team just said, we're gonna take all of our resources. 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.400 We're gonna stop scouting the whole country, We're gonna stop 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.480 going to all the small schools, and we're just gonna 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:21.920 put pour all of our resources into the SEC in 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:23.880 the Big ten, and we're only going to draft players 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.920 from those two conferences. Because the hit rate is higher 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:29.440 because you see him planning, it's other NFL players on 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:32.840 a weekly basis. It's it's really interesting how it's changed. 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.240 I mean when you look at the Big twelve and 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.800 the number of draftable players and how low that number 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:40.520 is especially at some certain positions. The PAC twelve has 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.200 dropped way down. The ACC has kind of been a 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:45.720 one or two team league for the last few years. 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:47.920 That the football in the SEC and the Big Ten. 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:49.640 It's almost like, gosh, you just had a draft out 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:53.400 of their Yeah. But but to get back to Scarnsky, like, 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:56.760 I've watched Scronty go up against NFL pass rushers throughout 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.040 his career, so it makes the evaluation a lot easier. 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:01.680 All Right, speed round out with Daniel Jeremiah the NFL 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:04.440 Network on the OTP. We're just gonna hit you with players. Oh, 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:10.280 I'm very well aware of the all right, so talk 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:13.840 to me about Jalen Carter, defensive tackle Georgia. Yeah, he's 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.800 a freak. He is an absolute freak, and he's a 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.480 disruptor and he's dynamic, and to me, I think he's 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:22.720 a better version of quinnin Williams coming out. What about 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.280 Miles Murphy the Edge out of Clemson. He's a difficult 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:27.880 evaluation because it's all there. He's got the body that 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:30.280 you want. He's explosive, He's just got to get more 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:33.880 polished as a pass rusher. The long corner. Joey Porter 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:37.760 junior Penn State. Yeah, long, longest corner. That's what I 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:40.000 would say, because even looks like he's beat on film 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:41.880 and all of a sudden, go go, gadget arms, and 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:43.840 then he can he can still make a play. He's 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:47.440 a He's a very intriguing player. Darnell Wright, offensive tackle, 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:51.040 Tennessee stock Up. He's three hundred and forty plus pounds, 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:53.480 who had was good on tape at right tackle at Tennessee. 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:55.160 He was great at the Senior Bowl, and I think 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:57.400 he's moving his way up into the top twenty. What 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.440 about someone like Jordan Addison, the wide receiver at he See. 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.520 He's polished, Um, he's a he's a pure route runner. 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:05.880 And those are the guys that have had success translating 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:09.000 quickly to the next level. Staying with wide receiver Jackson 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:11.919 Smith and Jigba didn't play a lot because of the handstring. 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:15.160 Where is he in this? Uh, he's an enigma. Can 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:18.080 I say that? I like, it's gonna be an easy one. 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:21.679 You just set me up there. Yeah, he's just you 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:23.160 wish you would have seen more of him. But when 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.320 he's out there, to me, he's a high volume slot receiver. 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:27.639 So he's gonna catch eighty plus balls in the slot. 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.879 All right, So give me a full thumbnail for the 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:36.080 ot people on. Peter Scronsky from Northwestern convinced them why 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:38.920 he should be the guy. When you look at offensive 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:42.359 lineman that are tough, smart, and can anchor down against 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:44.000 power rushers. In other words, you're not gonna be able 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.760 to collapse them. That's a quarterback's best friend. They're gonna know, 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:49.240 they're gonna see pressure, they're gonna identify it. They're gonna 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:51.199 be able to squad on power. Every now and then 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:52.840 you might get somebody get up the field on him 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:55.000 with some speed, But guess what, you can climb up 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:56.520 and you can get away from that. You're not gonna 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.520 get through him. Do the same thing for Anthony Richards In, 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:01.720 that quarter back out of Florida. Yeah, Well, if you 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.960 look at quarterbacks's lottery tickets and they all cost the 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.480 same amount of money in terms of first round picks, 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.040 the payout in his lottery ticket is higher. So he's 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.239 got the highest payout of anybody in this draft. If 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.320 you hit on him, you win big. Not that I've 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:17.399 ever bought a lottery ticket, because remember of the National 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:21.360 Football like I to go nowhere near anything. He can 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.320 I read to find prints in those emails. I'm not 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:27.720 so sure. I can't. Can't buy him while you're on 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:31.040 a trip to the combine. Another guy we saw at 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:32.719 the Senior Bowl that he is intriguing to be at 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:35.760 quarterback to find Witherspoon from Illinois. He's my favorite corner 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:38.560 in the draft. He is so instinctive, He plays with 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:41.440 no fear um and he just makes one play after another. 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:43.040 He is a playmaking corner. Now, he's not gonna be 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:44.919 the biggest guy in the world, but if you remember 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.399 a Sante Samuel's career and what he was, I actually 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:49.720 even there's some Sumari role, you know, to bring it 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:52.120 back to the name you're familiar with. That he reminded 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:57.200 me of Clark Phillips cornerback Utah. He's undersized, he's a 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:00.360 He's gonna be a value pick. He'll get and he'll 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:02.560 get punished a little bit because not the biggest guy. 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:04.959 I don't think he's gonna just run a blazing forty. 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:07.760 But he is really really instinctive and just always making 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.760 plays and tier your offensive line. And I feel like 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:12.640 this guy is a center because that's what he's played 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:16.520 John Michael Schmidt's from Minnesota, plugging play, plug and play. 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:19.840 That's a three letter evaluation, right, plug and play John 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:27.920 Michael Schmitt play. Yeah, that's nice. What makes him? Is 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:30.639 it the six year part? Is it the steadiness? What 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.480 do you like most about him? He's just always he's 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:36.480 always in a good body position. He doesn't he understands 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:38.080 who he is and what he is. He doesn't get 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:40.359 out of control. He plays very under control, working up 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:42.800 to the second level. Um, it's not like he's the 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:46.240 most dynamic or explosive player you've ever seen. But you know, 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:48.960 it's just that, hey, block a guy, just just stay 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:50.960 in front of him, stay attached to him, and that's 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:53.880 what he does. You're the best, Daniel. I appreciate you guys, 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:55.800 thank you for being with us on the OTP. I 0:19:55.840 --> 0:20:00.200