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Speaker 1: Amy Wells, Rhett Bryan, coach Dave McGinnis. I'm Mike Keith,

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Speaker 1: glad to have you with us. We're combining. We are

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Speaker 1: rolling with the Combined in Indianapolis, Indiana for twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Dave McGinnis, I have to ask you right off the top,

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Speaker 1: how many minds are changed in a draft room, whether

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Speaker 1: it be scouts or coaches by what happens here. A

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Speaker 1: lot of what happens here, Mike, and it's a relevant question.

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Speaker 1: Make you go back to the film, because everybody's got

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Speaker 1: a board of temporary boards set up. You know, they've

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Speaker 1: some of the things that you thought you saw on film,

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Speaker 1: the things that you can't discern sometimes depending on the

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Speaker 1: level of play of these players, is the true speed

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Speaker 1: and then you get a true measurement of the people

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Speaker 1: change a whole lot of minds as far as football

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Speaker 1: playing ability wise, but maybe some of moving people just

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Speaker 1: a little bit within position groups, it might change it

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Speaker 1: a little just because of the physical testing that goes

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Speaker 1: There are things that are found out here, you know sometimes,

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Speaker 1: But there's a there's been so much work done tape

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Speaker 1: to see if some of these things that they've done

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Speaker 1: see if maybe you can find out why Now Mac

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Speaker 1: overwhelming opinion that the draft lineup that we know today

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Speaker 1: to separate it at this time of year. You try

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Speaker 1: First of all, everybody's working are reworking their salary cap

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Speaker 1: And then as and you make a very good point,

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Speaker 1: when free agency comes in, then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: the times because the time frames are different. But right

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Speaker 1: set yet. Florida quarterback Anthony Richardson, I believe he has

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Speaker 1: I was on the staff when we vetted Marcus Mariota

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Speaker 1: draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah. Here's that visit from Indianapolis a

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Speaker 1: day two of the OTP. Daniel Jeremiah, I talked with

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Speaker 1: someone in mobile who feels like this year's draft we'll

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Speaker 1: of look over history, that's been kind of a trading

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Speaker 1: He's he's very high on Peter Scronski, the offensive lineman

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Speaker 1: real deal. Daniel Jeremiah is the real deal. I mean,

427
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 1: this guy's a player. In talking to just various people

428
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 1: who have pretty good knowledge, I'd say there is a

429
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 1: sense that Scronsky might be as safe as anybody in

430
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 1: the first round, even if he ends up a guard.

431
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 1: I think that that sentiment is very true. Is just

432
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,199
Speaker 1: an overall package of a player knowing what it takes

433
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:51,879
Speaker 1: mentally and physically to play in this league at that position.

434
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 1: I think that what you just said there is I

435
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 1: think a very general feeling here, and it's a real

436
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 1: it's a real thing. Mac. I'm sitting here in your

437
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 1: notebooks right in front of us, so I feel the

438
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 1: need to bust it out a little bit to get

439
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 1: to the notebook. But also one of the things that

440
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: we talked to Daniel Jeremiah about with tight ends, and

441
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,199
Speaker 1: he's very high on this tight end group, Mac, I

442
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,639
Speaker 1: want your evaluation on the group of tight ends that

443
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 1: we have in this draft right now, and if there's

444
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 1: anybody that really sticks out to you, he says, eleven

445
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 1: in the first three rounds, he thinks, and Mac is

446
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:29,439
Speaker 1: feverishly flipping pages, buying him a second because I mean,

447
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 1: Amy always gets on to me about but this is

448
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 1: the actual draft workbook that I go through when I'm

449
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,640
Speaker 1: watching take He brought that. He bought that notebook at Kroger,

450
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: just like we would for seventh Great History. Yeah, I'm

451
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: just worried about the durability of it. Mac. I don't

452
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 1: make fun of it. It's full of really important information.

453
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: I'm just afraid of it just looks like it's been

454
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 1: through a fire. By the end of the draft. You

455
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,439
Speaker 1: know what I'm going to get next year is a

456
00:22:54,440 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: big chief tablet. Michael Mayer from Notre Dame. Why tight

457
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 1: end fan, Yeah, big, big, big tight end. Uh you

458
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 1: know we Uh. Dalton Kincaid from Utah, now he's got

459
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: he he had a back injury that that is going

460
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 1: to keep him from working out here. Okay, that has

461
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: that has popped up, you know since But Dalton Kincaid

462
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: is is Dalton Kinkaid to me in this draft is

463
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 1: kind of the prototypical tidy end now of what's going

464
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: on in this league, being able to split out, being

465
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: able to you know, make you know, run routes distinct routes.

466
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 1: Luke Musgrave, we saw him very closely down there at

467
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: you know, at the Senior Bowl. Of course, you know,

468
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 1: very limited playing time this year because of the ACL injury.

469
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: But I think that that you know, that guy's going

470
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 1: to be up there. Darnel Washington from Georgia. You know

471
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: this is a big, big dude on the edge. Uh

472
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: Tucker Craft from South Dakota State. You know, is it

473
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: is a guy. Uh Sam Laporta from Iowa has been

474
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 1: a guy that has been moving up and down. I

475
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 1: mean I talked to a lot of people and you know,

476
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: just there's some varied opinions. You talk about guys moving

477
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: up and down around here. You know, I got down

478
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: here early yesterday talking to a group and Samuel part

479
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 1: is kind of moving up and down. We're talking about

480
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: a tight end from Iowa and then Luke Schoonmaker from Michigan.

481
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: This guy is. You know, so to me what Daniel

482
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: say eleven, I wouldn't I wouldn't say no to any

483
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: of that the tight end group. Here's the other thing,

484
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: guys too, that I think we all know, tight end

485
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 1: has become a real position now in offenses. Tight End

486
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 1: used to be and I'm not gonna say throwaway, but

487
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: tight end used to be kind of an afterthought position.

488
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going back you know when, But now

489
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: tight ends are the deal, and so that's why there's

490
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 1: that's why they are a number of them now. Darnielle

491
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 1: Washington from Georgia probably the biggest guy in this group

492
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: in the draft, monster guy, a guy that we looked

493
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 1: at last year who wasn't rated as high. Jelannie Woods

494
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: from Virginia, who we saw twice this year with the

495
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts. Is it benefit a guy like that who

496
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: can go in jumbo packages like that as an extra

497
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, it also be a big red zone thread

498
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: as a big, massive, you know target to go get. Yeah, yeah,

499
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,719
Speaker 1: you're saying it right, red And we're seeing how many

500
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: times have we seen this year during our game broadcast

501
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: that opponents would be in thirteen personnel, which is three tights,

502
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: one wide, one back, and not only in short yardage

503
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: situations is what Redd is saying. So absolutely yes. And

504
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: Jelannie Woods was the guy that was, you know, didn't

505
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: have a lot of production, new to the position, new

506
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: to the position, didn't have a lot of production, But

507
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, you get him in

508
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 1: an NFL camp and then you get packages put together

509
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: for these people. You know. I mean, we've got a

510
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 1: guy right there at the Titans. That same thing happened

511
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 1: with him in Chigger Conquo. You know, found a slot

512
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: for him, found a place for him, and all of

513
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: a sudden he ends up having a really nice rookie season. Yes,

514
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: here's what I want to ask you about. Look at

515
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: college football. Georgia uses tight ends, Alabama uses tight ends.

516
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: Tennessee Josh Hypel has got to have a tight end

517
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: in what he does. So when all this spread stuff started,

518
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: it was one more wide receiver and no tight ends.

519
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: Now the tight ends are back at an even bigger part,

520
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: and we're seeing more of them come out in the draft.

521
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: Who are you know? It's it's like flavors of ice cream,

522
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: you can get all kinds. Why is the tight end

523
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: so much back in football in this way overall? Two

524
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 1: distinct reasons. Okay. The first is when they're split out,

525
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: it's a huge mismatch problem. Okay, huge mismatch problem. As

526
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator, you've got to decide if they put

527
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,479
Speaker 1: a tight end out there, Okay, if they put multiple

528
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: tight ends out there on first down, you're gonna have

529
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: to decide immediately. Am I gonna go with my standard

530
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: package whatever that is with defensive backs and the numbers

531
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: of linebackers. However that intercedes? And then what am I

532
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: going to do if they don't change the package, but

533
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: they change the alignments and they change the assignments. Who's

534
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: going to be my walk away guy? How am I

535
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: going to be able to get this guy covered? You know?

536
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: And that's the difference. And here's the other thing. Even

537
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: with the spread offense, you still need somebody at some

538
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: point to block one edge. Whether you're running inside or

539
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: outside zone, to the close side or to the open side,

540
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: you need somebody that's the money block out there on

541
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: that side. Somebody to secure an edge, secure an edge

542
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: if you're going towards it, or secure an edge if

543
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: you're going away from it. For the cutback aspect of it.

544
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: The other aspect of that is if you bring a

545
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: tight end into it and you've got defensive personnel packages,

546
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 1: then the play action game, because if you've got corners

547
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: covering receivers, you pretty much know even on play action,

548
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to cover that dude, right. But if I

549
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: if my eye discipline has to be such that I

550
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: have to check and see if this tight end or

551
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: somebody in a tight end position is blocking first with

552
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: the action away from him, and then all of a sudden,

553
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: I've got a gap to feel in that run action

554
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: away for a cutback, and then the tight end is out. Okay. Oh,

555
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: and we've all seen it, and the bootleg game, the

556
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: half bootleg game, all of those types of things come

557
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: into being. That's why tight ends that are able to

558
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: do a multitude of things. And when you block on

559
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: the edge for a tight end, we're not talking about

560
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: somebody just massively mauling somebody every time. It's getting away,

561
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: getting the way, hold account, holding edge, holding edge you

562
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: don't have to. You're not talking about someone that just

563
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: has to move the entire pile. So that's why it's happening,

564
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: all right. So let me ask the group this percentage

565
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: chance in this draft in your opinion, knowing the Titans

566
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: have a one, two, three, five, six seven as we

567
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: talk right now in February twenty eighth percentage tank chance

568
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: that somewhere among those picks the Titans draft a tight

569
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: end sixty three and a half. Okay, I'll go higher.

570
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: I think seventy percent chance at some point in those picks. Oh,

571
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: I was gonna go way higher than that. I was

572
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: gonna say like ninety Yeah, I would say eighty percent

573
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: chance they draft a tight end with the need and

574
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: with the availability. Now, is there one of those guys

575
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: you could see a scenario that they take at eleven?

576
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: I think I believe the need for offensive lineman is

577
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: so important right now, I don't see it. And the

578
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: reason I say that there's enough of these guys with

579
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: the picks that you know that we're going to be

580
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: able to get forty two even. Yes, And here's here's

581
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: the other thing that I that I really that, I

582
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: really think is that the picks that we have now

583
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: that's not going to be the picks we have when

584
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: we go to draft day. I agree with that. I

585
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: think somehow they're going to add picks. And like, for example,

586
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: all right, let's say just hypothetically they bumped down somebody

587
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: desperately wanted to get to eleven to grab Anthony Richardson,

588
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: As Daniel Jeremiah just said, let's say Tennessee bumps down

589
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: to twenty or twenty one. Would you think about would

590
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: you entertain the thought knowing that you've gathered some extra picks.

591
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: Would you would you maybe take a tight end there?

592
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe depending on who's there, they're still they're still

593
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: offensive lineman that may be there at that point also,

594
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: and that would go into your thinking when you're thinking

595
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: about doing that. But eleven in this draft is kind

596
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: of a sweet spot. It is a sweet spot. Eleven.

597
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: I mean when you really start analyzing it, and I

598
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: mean we've all done it. I mean we've all looked

599
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,239
Speaker 1: at the draft deep enough you know that when you

600
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: really start, and it'll be a sweet spot when the

601
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: phone calls start, and that's on draft day. That's that's important.

602
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: I mean, because people are forming ideas now. They're they're

603
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: talking now amongst those suites up there during this whole

604
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: week about possible trades, about possible moving in the draft.

605
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: But that, as I say, and I've been in too

606
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: many draft rooms, a lot of them on the phone,

607
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: the desperation quotient when the clock is running and you've

608
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: got to have something done and you've got two or

609
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: three people, two or three different teams on the line

610
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: going yes or no, yes or no, yes or no,

611
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna be. The leventh spot will kind

612
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: of be the sweet spot in this draft, because I

613
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: don't really believe that there are there's thirty one picks

614
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: in the first round right. Yes, there won't be people

615
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: that have thirty one first round grades right on these people.

616
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: So that's why mac. As we're here in Indianapolis, obviously,

617
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: the evaluation of the players and the medicals and the

618
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: workouts and everything vitally important to what is going to

619
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: happen going forward. Equally as important, perhaps some of the

620
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: conversations that happen being in a city where every person

621
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: in the National Football League seems to be here right

622
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: now more important because you can do it because of this,

623
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: everybody knows everybody in the league. Of all of us

624
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: have been in the league long enough, we know a

625
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: lot of people. It's the same way with the coaches

626
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: and the general managers now. But to be able to

627
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: do what we're doing face to face, that's when it

628
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: becomes real. I mean, I've been in those you know

629
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: when we made the deal with the Titans. You know

630
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: at the rams that started here. You know that that

631
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: started here. Going one sweet over? So is it important

632
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 1: that it starts here? Is an even if it's just

633
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: an exploratory conversation that you're seeing face to face the

634
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: person you're potentially have a trade partner with, to gauge

635
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: body language, to gauge interest, throwing things against the wall,

636
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: what would you take? Would if I could, would you

637
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: that kind of thing? Yeah? Well, and nobody's making a

638
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: trade here, no, right, but it's where it begins. But

639
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: you're laying the groundwork. Yeah, you're laying the ground work

640
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: for it. And that and that's this word starts. It

641
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: really does, because I mean, there's a legal tampering period, right,

642
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: Mike's favorite thing. Mike's favorite thing. I love legal tampering. Yeah.

643
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: So to answer your question, yes, and that's why, you know,

644
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: especially for the draft decision makers here, and sometimes the

645
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: trade develops out of that, and sometimes it doesn't. Well, sure,

646
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody's making a trade here. Yeah, but you're you're, you're, you're,

647
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you're everybody here has been deep sea fishing.

648
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure. Do we look like a group of deep

649
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: sea fishermen actually have been deep sea fish? It's really cool. Yes,

650
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: So I've never even been on a less than half

651
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: of it. Okay, well, but both the ones that haven't,

652
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: we'll understand this you're chumming the water. Sure, Oh I

653
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, you're chumming the water. And that's that's

654
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: what this is here. The question is do you need

655
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: a bigger boat? Jaw's reference in nineteen seventy five. There

656
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: you go, Rich, there you go. Well, that guy who

657
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: knows for sure that the legal tampering period starts in

658
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: thirteen days and the free agency starts in fifteen days

659
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: is here working hard. Visited with the media today and

660
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: was kind enough to with US Titans due general manager

661
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: Ran carthon the ot Titans general manager Ran Carthon, what's

662
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: the number one question you've been getting in a month

663
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: plus on the job, and my drinking water out of

664
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: a fire hydrant? I've never attempted to, you know, And

665
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: so now I've gotten a lot of great advice from guys,

666
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: and Andrew Barry's given me the best piece of advice,

667
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: which is get rest, and you have time to do

668
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: it all. You can't sign any free agents to the

669
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: new league your starts, you can't draft anybody to the

670
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: draft opens, so you have time to get it all.

671
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: Make sure I get my rest, so any event that

672
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: I have to make a tough decision is coming from

673
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: a well rested place, and I'm just not just reacting,

674
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: you know. And so I've with my family not being there,

675
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: I really don't have much to go home to, So

676
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: I stay the office as late as possible, work as

677
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: late as possible. I live very close by, and so

678
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: it's I literally go to my place to sleep, I

679
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: wake up, I'm back in the office, and kind of

680
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: you know, the end in the middle of house shopping,

681
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: I work, go meet my realtor see about three or

682
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: four homes. Back in the office, you know, get a

683
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: little bit of work in. So it's been great, man,

684
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: But that's the number one question in my drinking water.

685
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: Fire hasn't I don't know who came up with that,

686
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: but it isn't descriptive. Yeah, and literally, from the moment

687
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: I got offered the job, everybody was it's going, this

688
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: is what it's gonna be like. So hey, man, to

689
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: each his own. It has to be hard to balance

690
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: that need for rest, though, with all of the different things,

691
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: because this time of year, there's so many different options,

692
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: there's so many different things that can happen in scenarios

693
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: that I'm sure you're playing through your mind. How do

694
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: you balance all of the different things that are just

695
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: rolling through your head. Take inventory. Gotta be big on

696
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: taking notes. I was went to bed after interviews last night,

697
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: go straight back to the hotel, talk to my family,

698
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: and I lay down, shoot Chad Brinker, couple notes, things

699
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: that are on my mind. Wake up at three, three

700
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: thirty in the morning, things on my mind. Shoot off

701
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: a couple of texts, you know, And I let guys know, like, hey,

702
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: you don't have to respond at three thirty or four o'clock.

703
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm just getting these thoughts off, you know. And so

704
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: you just gotta take inventory and kind of prioritize. Somebody

705
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: learned from less sneed. He categorizes things in big rocks

706
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: and little rocks. Right, what are the big rocks that

707
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: are gonna hinder your progress going forward? Let's attack those things,

708
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: and where can the little rocks wait? So that's really

709
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. And again, man, it's just you don't

710
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: have to make hasty, quick decisions, you know. It's just

711
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: just gotta take your time and make the right decisions.

712
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: So I'm just again taking my time doing everything right.

713
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: I'm not doing things the way people expect or probably

714
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: want me to do it. But you know, this is

715
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: a process, like and I'm lucky to have Mike, you know,

716
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: somebody that's here that's established that the culture is established.

717
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: So again, it's a lot of me assimilating to what's

718
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: going on and me learning, you know, the way in

719
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: where I can add value, and then being able to

720
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: just go right next door to his office, like, hey, man,

721
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: here's what I'm thinking, Like what do you you know

722
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: you've experienced this, like hey, how can you how can

723
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: I do this better? Or like hey, how would you

724
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: handle this? You know, And he's been beyond helpful from

725
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,959
Speaker 1: the job to school districts, like who would have thought

726
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: that Mike Vrabel knows as much about Nashville area school

727
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: districts as he does from the private schools the public schools.

728
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: Like he's got it covered. You know, Jen did a

729
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: really good job of coaching him up on that. But

730
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: he's just been a great resource, you know, between him

731
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: and Adolpho and Burke, Like, I'm surrounded by good people

732
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: who can help me in this transition. Chad Brinker, you

733
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: mentioned highly thought of executive with the Green Bay Packers.

734
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: Why was he the right guy to come in as

735
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: assistant GM to you with the Tennessee type. So if

736
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: you know Chad, Chad's one of the greatest humans, you know,

737
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: God has ever created, just to genuinely person that cares

738
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: about people. But if you look at Chad's background, he's

739
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: played the game, he's done in pro scouting, he's done

740
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: college scouting, he's done salary coup, he's done analytics. Like

741
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: he brings a broad perspective, you know, to our organization

742
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: that's going to help us continue to evolve. You know. Again,

743
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: I come up with the title of football guy. Right,

744
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: nobody knows what you know unless you tell them. And

745
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: so I've always valued having people from broad perspectives that

746
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: can do a lot of different things. I don't believe

747
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: in pigeonholing guys into just a college scout or just

748
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: a pro scout. Like this is player acquisition, right, we

749
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 1: gotta find where's the where's the value? Right. You can't

750
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: go in draft all these guys if the draft isn't

751
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: strong in a certain areas, right, And so that portion

752
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: may come from free agency. And so we're going to

753
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: cross train our guys and guys will know both spaces,

754
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: you know, so that allow us to build, you know,

755
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: a versatile staff. So if there is movement, and then

756
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: you can take a scouting assistant that has done both

757
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: and plug him in, or you might move a pro

758
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: guy on the road or vice versa. Want to have versatility,

759
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: and I think Chad is one of the more versatile

760
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: guys into our business, much like ran Carthon was in

761
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: San Francisco, Fair Fair, but he brings a lot more.

762
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: I personally feel, you know, Chad won't talk about himself,

763
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: so I'll talk about him in this moment. He's a

764
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: guy that Green Bay thought enough of to pay for

765
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: him to get his executive NBA from Northwestern, Right, So

766
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: not only does he goes and gets his executive NBA,

767
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: but through the course of getting an NBA, he meets

768
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: with some guys that are in the tech space and

769
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: he creates his own AI model for injuries and cap studies,

770
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: and so he figures out a way to create these

771
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: models that he owns the IP for, and so wherever

772
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: he goes, he can bring that IP, you know, with him,

773
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: and again it allows us to grow in the space

774
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: that we're trying to evolve to, which is in the

775
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: analytics department, you know, And so he brings that vast

776
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: I have an understanding of analytics because coming from where

777
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: I'm coming from, but he's on another level den I

778
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: in and so that's an area where he's going to

779
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 1: be a strength, you know, to our organization. Obviously being

780
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, one of the primary goals is to evaluate

781
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: all of the players that are, you know, participating in

782
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: the combine. But it's also an opportunity for you to

783
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 1: really spend a lot of concentrated time with your staff.

784
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: How are you going through that process of not only

785
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: working together and kind of getting in lockstep with everybody,

786
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: but also just kind of evaluating the chemistry of this group. Yeah,

787
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: it's it's time spent, right. So it started for me

788
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: in particular, get the job. Literally, reach out to every

789
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: single area scout. I knew the pro staff fairly well.

790
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: Reach out to every single area guy, you know, just

791
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: to have an opening conversation. Then Senior Bowl comes, we

792
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: get to spend a week together. In the Senior Bowl,

793
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: we go to dinner one night, just hang out, have fun.

794
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: Then last week they were all just in for four

795
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: days for meetings. So it's it's been a part of

796
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: the process of spending more time together, getting to hear

797
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: them in their space and actually giving them the opportunity

798
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: to speak and speak how they feel about the players

799
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: as openly as possible. And again it allows me to evaluate,

800
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: you know, not only our department, but our processes. And

801
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: so last night, our area guys are coordinators, are in

802
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: there running the meeting in terms of meeting with the players.

803
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: And again it's another good portion for me to see

804
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 1: because these guys are the ones who've been scouting them

805
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: the last five six years, right, So I can't come

806
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: in pretend to be an expert on these particular players

807
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: from these particular areas, knowing that I hadn't been in there.

808
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: So it's good to let these guys lead take ownership

809
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: of that process. And again it allows me to not

810
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: only evaluate them, but our processes as a whole. Listening

811
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: to you talk about that, it sounds like that's going well.

812
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 1: Now it's going everything's going well. Again, I'm stepping into

813
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: a space that was already established, right, And again it's

814
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of a cheat code because of what

815
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: Jay rob the systems that he brought from New England

816
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: was how I came up right in Atlanta, and then

817
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: we instituted those things in San Francisco, So the language

818
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: is the same, so it makes it easier for me

819
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: to step in and understand exactly what they're saying because

820
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: we speak, you know, some places speaking colors. We speak

821
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: in numbers in terms of our grading scale, and I know,

822
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: even though the numbers are a little different, I do

823
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: know the bucket that these guys belong to because of

824
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: the similarity in the systems. Last week the Titans wave

825
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: Taylor to one, Robert Woods, Zach Cunningham, and kicker Randy Bullock.

826
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: What went into the process of deciding that these would

827
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: be the first moves that you made, and the timing

828
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 1: of it, well a lot of it too was one

829
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: of the first of all. The timing part, you know,

830
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: wanting to get through the Super Bowl. There's a little

831
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: bit of a competitive advantage that those teams would have

832
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: had had we made these moves prior to because those

833
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: guys would have been available to those Super Bowl teams

834
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: for that time. So a little bit of a competitive

835
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: competitive advantage there. So we wanted to wait until after

836
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. But those moves were just, you know, roster

837
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 1: moves that needed to be made to kind of allow

838
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: our program to go into the next direction. You know,

839
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 1: they were all tough moves. All those guys have made

840
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 1: contributions to you know, to our organization, and you're grateful

841
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: for him. You know. Honestly, that was outside of Taylor.

842
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: That was my first time talking to those three guys,

843
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: and it was you know, it was tough. You know,

844
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: your first conversation. You hear it in their voice like

845
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: oh hey, and then I'm like, hey man, I'm sorry

846
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: that this is our first phone call. You know, particularly

847
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: a guy Robert Woods, where I have a ton of

848
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: respect for. I was in LA when we first signed him.

849
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: There it was only I was in to build them

850
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: with him maybe two weeks after we signed him, and

851
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: then I left, and then now to come into this situation.

852
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: And I even have Robert featured in my GM presentation

853
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: right for signing the right guys culture builders, guys who

854
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: come in and can help establish a culture. So that

855
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: one was really tough, you know, because of the amount

856
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: of respect I have for him, but him being who

857
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: he is, he handled it like a true pro and

858
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: we actually had a really good conversation. And you know,

859
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: again there's there moves that need to be made for

860
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: us to take the step into a new year. As

861
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: you look at the roster as it stands right now,

862
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different options for the ways that

863
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans can move forward. How do you, I guess,

864
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: how do you narrow in on some of the specific

865
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: areas that need to be addressed as we approach not

866
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: only free agency, but the draft that's coming around the corner.

867
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: There's a lot of different things that can happen, and

868
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: it seems like a narrowing of a focus would be beneficial. Right.

869
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 1: So the way I look at everything is it's a puzzle, right,

870
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: There's a puzzle. There's a picture in the end of

871
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: we know when you open the box and you put

872
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: to all the pieces out, you know how the puzzle

873
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 1: was supposed to look in the end. And so right

874
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: now we're putting we're finding all these pieces on how

875
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: we're going to make that picture come to light at

876
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: the end. Right, So, in terms of narrowing in the focus,

877
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: we'll have that, but we're still gathering all the pieces.

878
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: We're grouping all the pieces of how to put this

879
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: puzzle together. And so we're gonna again as player acquisition, right,

880
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: So we hadn't gotten a free agency yet, draft is

881
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: after that, and so now we got to see where's

882
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 1: the value. That was a part of our meetings with

883
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: the pro guys. Hey give a positional overview. Where's this

884
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: where's this class strong? Where's it light? And the same

885
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: thing in college, where's its strong and where's it lights?

886
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: So we got to use those two things to balance,

887
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: and we're gonna find the best value in whether it's

888
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 1: the draft, whether it's free agency, to make the necessary

889
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: moves to make that picture come to light at the end.

890
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,479
Speaker 1: Because you are a new general manager, other teams don't

891
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: know what you're going to do. You have no track

892
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: record in that way. I was going to the question

893
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: is I think it's already been answered by the smile.

894
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: How much of an advantage is that that the Tennessee

895
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: Titans are open for business and people don't really know

896
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 1: what that business is right now? I mean, the only

897
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: way you will find out is if you call it inquiry.

898
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: That's right, you know. So I have friends, a lot

899
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: of friends in this business who we've had intimate talks

900
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: throughout the years, and so you know, you get a

901
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: little Hey, I think this is who I think, I

902
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: think this is your guy? Could be I don't know,

903
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 1: you know, so to a lot of my friends knowledge,

904
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: I haven't seen any of these guys, and so we'll

905
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: keep it that way. I haven't seen anybody in the draft.

906
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: I haven't seen any free agents. So we'll see you

907
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: when the draft opens. This obviously is not your first

908
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: combine in your career, but it is your first combine

909
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: as the guy. What has surprised you the most about

910
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: being here in this new role? Has anything changed a

911
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: little bit? No, nothing's changed. Um, well, we're staying at

912
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: one hotel and throughout my career stayed at another hotel.

913
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: So that's been a little bit of an adjustment. But again,

914
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: having such a vast network of friends and people, you know,

915
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: you try to build in the time to see everyone,

916
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: but understanding now in this position, like you're in a

917
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: different light, and so I'm hosting a little bit more

918
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: of Hey, come to my room and hang out instead

919
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: of being out out. You know, in years past, I

920
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: could do that. No one, Oh that's the guy in

921
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: San Francisco, I think, you know. And then then you

922
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: get to peer down at your credential like oh yeah, okay,

923
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: and so now I just you know, I'm aware of

924
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: that I'm aware of my surroundings at all times, and

925
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: so I'm just more so isolating myself and hanging out

926
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: my room, and everyone who knows me knows where to

927
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: find me and how to find me. Last question, how

928
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: different is Ran Carthon in the interview room with the

929
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: prospective players than you were when you were in the

930
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: different roles with Atlanta, La and San Francisco. I feel

931
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: like I'm the same. I'm more in this space of

932
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: information gathering, right. I want to hear more about these guys,

933
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 1: and so there'll be a couple questions I might interject

934
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: and ask, or you know, ice breakers if I know

935
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: the kids high school, I know the area he grew up,

936
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: or we have someone in common, I might do that

937
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: just to you know, lighten the mood a little bit.

938
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: But more so I've always just kind of sat in

939
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: the back and just to listen and hear where these

940
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: guys are coming from, try to read the guy, to

941
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: try to see, you know, where they are, how they're feeling.

942
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: And you know, again, these young men, this is a

943
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: this is a this is the dream, right. This is

944
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: the last portion of seeing that dream come true. And

945
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: so there's gonna be some nerves, and you know there's

946
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: gonna be some guys to stumble over words or you know,

947
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: just might not be at their best because of the nerves.

948
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: And so I just rather sit back and like I

949
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: said before, allowed the area guys, the national guys to lead,

950
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: allow of coordinators and coaches to lead, and then I

951
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: could sit back and listen and then make my decisions

952
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: or my opinions of the guy of the people, not

953
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 1: the player, but the people from there. You said a coach,

954
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: Ran Carthon is an impressive guy. Well, I just had

955
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: five years of working with him with a team that

956
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: he and I both were hired into that had been

957
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: fifteen and sixty five in the previous five years. I mean,

958
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: I'm not good at math, but that's three wins a

959
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: year for five years. So they weren't good, and so

960
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: there was a lot of personnel work to do, and

961
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 1: he and I sat in offices pretty late at night

962
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: for a long time looking at players because we just

963
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: had to get that thing rebuilt. Couldn't do it all

964
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: at once. It took seven years, you know, the five

965
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: that five that we were there, and then six they

966
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 1: kind of got it going, and then seven Shan McVay wins,

967
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: But the base of it was those five years of

968
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: trying to get all of that mess cleaned up. And

969
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 1: as I said, Rand and I spent with Ray Agnew

970
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,280
Speaker 1: you know who's now at. You know who's now at.

971
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: I mean we spent a lot of time together because

972
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: I was the assistant head coach then and that was

973
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 1: part of my deal. Is that in watching your drafts

974
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles with the Rams, and in also watching

975
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: what they've done in San Francisco. I've looked at sort

976
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: of the last ten drafts, five from the Rams and

977
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: then five from San Francisco. Seems like they hit a

978
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: lot of three iron off the tee and don't try

979
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,479
Speaker 1: to hit driver very often. In other words, they want

980
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 1: that shot right down the middle in good position from

981
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: those draft picks. That those guys are continually giving productivity, productivity, productivity.

982
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: That feels like how Mike Vrabel will view drafts. Although

983
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: he's not told us, didn't tell people to day when

984
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 1: he talked to the media, I mean, not give anything away,

985
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: but it feels like he and Ran Carthon will fit

986
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: in that way because that seems to be the pattern.

987
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: Don't each do your thing, make sure, you get players

988
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 1: that can help you and will be not only performers

989
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 1: and successful performers, but be cost effect. I like your analogy.

990
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: The only driver we hit when I was with the

991
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 1: Rams was the trade with the Titans. Right, We went

992
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: after Jared Golf, but I didn't think Golf was a

993
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: crazy pick, well, because we had no quarterback, right, and

994
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 1: then we've talked this through and that was that was it. Say, hey,

995
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: look we're you know, we'd already had Aaron Donald put together.

996
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: We'd already had you know, we we had some things

997
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: put together defensively, but you're right that that was a

998
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,479
Speaker 1: big part of it. And the reason was because when

999
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: we came in there and we started evaluating what the

1000
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: product was that was on the turf at the time there.

1001
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you had Chris Long, yeah, James Lornidas was

1002
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: right at the end. You had Robert Quinn, you know,

1003
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: I mean, and then you had Roger Staffold and when

1004
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 1: you really started looking at it, you know, Stephen Jackson,

1005
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: the running back was was done. He was aged out,

1006
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: and so he started drafted Aaron Donald too, which is

1007
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: pretty smart. Number thirteen. There's a great there's a great,

1008
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,439
Speaker 1: great draft day story on that and a pre draft

1009
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: story on that that I mean is it's pretty amazing

1010
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: really because we just drafted Michael Brocker's year before from LSU,

1011
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: who just now retired, who's been a wonderful, pro tremendous, pro,

1012
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: big force, you know, defensively, and when we were drafting

1013
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: Mike during that time, we were drafting to beat Seattle

1014
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 1: because they were well they were the dudes. Everybody else

1015
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: you could kind of figure out with, but they were

1016
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: the dudes and Russell Wilson was running, they had, you know,

1017
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: they had the legion of boom going and they were

1018
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: in a hard place to play up there, and the

1019
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: Rams had not beaten them in one hundred thousand years

1020
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: or whatever it was. And so I mean that's what

1021
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 1: you were looking at. And that's where the Aaron you know,

1022
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: the Michael Brockers came into it. To pair him inside

1023
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: with Aaron Donald and had Robert Quinn on one side

1024
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: edge and Chris Long on the other edge, and then

1025
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 1: you know, all of those things started to work together.

1026
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 1: But Aaron Donald, I mean, he was the thirteenth and

1027
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, the you know, the room wasn't let me

1028
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: say this, it wasn't just like just sitting there on

1029
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: go for everybody, there's some that really loved it, loved him,

1030
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: and then we're just you know, sitting there holding their breath,

1031
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: you know, hoping it's gone, and others were holding We're

1032
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: hoping he would be gone so they wouldn't have to

1033
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: make that decision when it got there. But why well,

1034
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: there was because of his height, really and there was

1035
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:29,919
Speaker 1: a real there was a real you know, I mean

1036
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: a lot of times you know that there's got to

1037
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: be give and take when you're in a draft room

1038
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: with twenty people reading a report. You know, you can't

1039
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: talk in the draft room unless you've written reports, unless

1040
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: you've watched at least five game tape on him, and

1041
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,760
Speaker 1: you can verify your grades at certain points in the film.

1042
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you know you have to have. So you

1043
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: had you know, some people would say, you know, he's

1044
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: too short. You know, he's working against people. He's got

1045
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: to jump around moving, that's it. And he's worked this

1046
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 1: in another city. Is this one of the ray agnew

1047
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: He said, this is one of the strongest, one of

1048
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:03,439
Speaker 1: the most physical called dynamic three techniques I've ever seen

1049
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: on tape, ever seen. And Ragney was a number one

1050
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 1: draft pick, right. He knows, you know, he knew, so

1051
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: he was on the table for it. And then the

1052
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: defensive line coach, Mike Waffle is, I've told you all

1053
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 1: this story. I don't know if the OTP has ever

1054
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: heard it, but we were having a draft meeting. We're

1055
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: looking at quarterbacks, you know, because and then only your

1056
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: thirty visit you have people in. Well, Mike Waffle, it

1057
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: was Aaron Donald's day to be in. So you break

1058
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: it noon and then everybody has their segment of time

1059
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,919
Speaker 1: when they talked to, you know, Aaron Donald. But Mike

1060
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: Waffles given him a tour of the facility, and all

1061
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the door just flings open, slams up

1062
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: against the board. He says, hey, I don't care who

1063
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: you're talking about. He walks Aaron in the room. Aaron's

1064
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: going like what the hell? And he says, I don't

1065
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,240
Speaker 1: care who we're talking about. This is the best player

1066
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: on the board right here, Aaron Donald. We don't take him.

1067
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 1: We're out of our minds. Thank you. Wore helpful, walks

1068
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: back out. Whoa I like Jim Washburn used to do?

1069
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And both defensive line coaches were two of

1070
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: the best I've ever been around, sure, but they knew

1071
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: who they wanted. They knew who they wanted, and so anyway,

1072
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: but Aaron Donald's there, and he's had a pretty good career,

1073
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: and Mike, there will be a similar story in war

1074
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:18,439
Speaker 1: rooms this year because of a guy from pitt He's

1075
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: not Aaron Donald now, but because of the size they're

1076
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: making him out to be. Who were right, because of

1077
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 1: the size and where he came from, same program, Colijah

1078
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: Kancy with thirty four and a half sacks in his

1079
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: career something crazy like that, and he's undersized like that,

1080
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 1: and so yeah, the comparisons already, and it's like eight

1081
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: a minute, there's only one Aaron Donald. But go ahead,

1082
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 1: mac oh no, no, you're you're right. I mean, I've

1083
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: got him as a fringe first round pick, you know,

1084
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: just watching him. And of course I've had history with

1085
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald. But everybody else in the league does too.

1086
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: But this also for Elijah Cancy, rhet and for all

1087
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 1: of us can kind of work against him too, because

1088
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 1: people will say Aaron Donald's a one off. Aaron Donald's

1089
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: a unicorn. He's a unicorn. We we can't we can't

1090
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: run that tape again, you know, and so it's going

1091
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: to be very very interesting to see. Uh. When I

1092
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: watch Klijah Cancy, I see a lot of the movement stuff.

1093
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: But Aaron Donald is in human. How strong he is

1094
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: inhuman and it comes from when he was growing up.

1095
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: I mean his dad had him pushing iron. I mean

1096
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: when he came out of the womb. I mean, so

1097
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know Elijah Cancy that well

1098
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: from Pitt you know, I haven't, but I dug into

1099
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald. There's an explosion to the really special people.

1100
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you think about Walter Payton's explosion. Do you

1101
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: think about Adrian Peterson's explosion? Aaron Donald and I'm talking

1102
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: about two running backs. They're players at various positions who

1103
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: have that, and Aaron Donald has that same sort of explosion.

1104
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: It's it's God given in some ways, it's brought out

1105
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: by work. But there's just something different about certain people,

1106
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: no matter their size. You know what we call those guys.

1107
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: When I was still in the scouting business for a

1108
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: living womb to tomb guys. They came out like that.

1109
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: They'll go on the ground like that and then they

1110
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: can develop it. As you say, but because because football

1111
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: is played in short burst of power and speed. It's

1112
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: a short burst game. I mean, you know you have it,

1113
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: you have between snaps. You have a snap and then

1114
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: you go back and you know, recover again. I mean,

1115
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: so these guys that have that type of thing, and

1116
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: then you know, the mindset comes into it too, because

1117
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: it's exhausting to play like that all the time and

1118
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: you've got to have a relentless mindset, which how do

1119
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: you try to find some of that out here? You

1120
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: try to find some of it out on tape, but

1121
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: until you really get a human being with you, you

1122
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: don't really know. I mean, we kind of knew that

1123
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald was relentless the first nine on seven that

1124
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: we had and a guard tried to cut him on

1125
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: the back side, and Aaron Donald grabbed him by the

1126
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: face mask and worked him around the field like a

1127
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: dog dragon a dish ray and then yanked one time

1128
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: and pulled the face mask completely off the helmet and

1129
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: threw it at him. Oh and we went, okay, So

1130
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:23,919
Speaker 1: publicly you're saying, Aaron, don't do that. Privately you're all

1131
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: walking in the coach's office going what did we just see?

1132
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: All right? Part of True Mac. You had mentioned that

1133
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: the comparison to Aaron Donald could be detrimental to somebody.

1134
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: How often do those comps, which at this time of

1135
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: year we're all doing, you're and I think we're trying

1136
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: to provide context or a touch point. This person's kind

1137
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: of like that person, This person reminds me of this

1138
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: person's body type or skill set or whatever. How much

1139
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: does that help somebody? And how much does that hurt somebody?

1140
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: You know what you're really First of all, if you're

1141
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: doing this for a living, you think you're doing a

1142
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: disservice to both individuals, right, So you don't make comps.

1143
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: You don't. You don't make comps. You're doing it, you

1144
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: know now when you start digging deeper into it, Okay,

1145
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: if you've everything's worked out and you've seen because you guys,

1146
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: we all know, we all know, there's so much more

1147
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: that goes into it other than just the how you

1148
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: because some guys may show up and can't take the grind.

1149
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: Some guys made so those guys that normally you're making

1150
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: comps too, have already been through the grind and proven

1151
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: that they can do it. But it's still it's still

1152
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: human nature. You can you know, you can see it.

1153
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: I mean you still you look and if you've been

1154
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: at it a long time, which we all have, you go, wow,

1155
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: that really reminds me of, reminds me of and I

1156
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: think I think the way that you say it is

1157
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: important reminds you of is different than he is him.

1158
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's the difference. He reminds me of.

1159
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: You know, this person, which physical traits can be true,

1160
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: but you're not that person because that person has done

1161
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: a whole separate thing to get to this level and

1162
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: where you're bringing these kids in now it's just the

1163
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: start of it. But so comparisons aren't They're not all bad,

1164
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: but they're they're not the end all to be all.

1165
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: Mackett goes back to what ran Carthon said the first

1166
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: day he was introduced to the media. He said, I

1167
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,959
Speaker 1: have a good idea about this Titan's roster. I see

1168
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: the film. I don't know the people on the film. Sure,

1169
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: and that's and that's what's important, and that's what you

1170
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: try to glean a little bit here during this process.

1171
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: And then but that's the proper way to look at it.

1172
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to look at it like that

1173
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: because you're still dealing with human beings as an evaluator

1174
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: and as the people you're evaluating. So you until you

1175
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: really work with somebody for a long That's why I say,

1176
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: I work with Rand for five years, I know what

1177
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: he is. But until you really work with somebody day

1178
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: to day and go through the pressures and the highs

1179
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: and the lows of what this business is, which is

1180
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: it is, you never really know who they are. Well,

1181
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: one person who's going to go through the highs and

1182
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: lows and pressure is Tim Kelly, the Titans new offensive coordinator,

1183
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: who was here earlier this afternoon, and we got our

1184
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: first chance to meet him and to talk with him.

1185
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: Amy and I had had you met him before. I've

1186
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: never met him. When people say Tim Kelly was retained

1187
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: from the previous staff or promoted from the previous stamp,

1188
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: I mean that's technically true, but Tim Kelly was not

1189
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: deeply involved in what we witnessed. It was very much

1190
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: Todd Downing's offense. Now it's Tim Kelly's offense. We were

1191
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: throwed to meet him and have a chance to ask

1192
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: him some questions here in Indianapolis at the combine. We'll

1193
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: share that with you now on the ot poot Tim Kelly,

1194
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: it is nice to finally get a chance to meet

1195
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: you and to visit with you. You completely freaked us

1196
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 1: out in December when you shaped your beard. That's been

1197
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: a big talking point. I yes, And so we're so

1198
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: We're at practice every day and Tim Kelly stands off

1199
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 1: to the side watching the offense, doing his things rather surreptitiously,

1200
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: just sort of just so going about the business. And

1201
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: one day this guy appears out there. We don't know

1202
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 1: who he is. We're like, the Titans have hired somebody else.

1203
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: Who is that guy? The beard is back and grow

1204
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: it back? Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty self aware as far

1205
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: as that. And it wasn't a good look for me.

1206
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: Kind of got a chubby face, and um yeah, I

1207
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: was looking to kind of change the mojo up a

1208
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: little bit at that time of the season. Um didn't work, unfortunately,

1209
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, the beard couldn't grow back fast enough. I

1210
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: do appreciate the commitment to the cause though, I mean,

1211
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: that's a major attempt to change any sort of going

1212
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: And I knew what I was in for with that too,

1213
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: So it was, you know, doing everything we couldn't try

1214
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: to get a win. So you're you're on the staff

1215
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: and you're promoted to offensive coordinator, but in essence you're

1216
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: coming in from the outside having been the offensive coordinator

1217
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: in Houston. So the Titans sort of get both in you.

1218
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: How much of an advantage is it to you that

1219
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: you had a year to observe, to see everything, and

1220
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 1: now you get to sort of institute a lot of

1221
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: what you'd like. Yeah, um, you know, obviously being able

1222
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: to come in and no firsthand personnel wise, who does

1223
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: what well? Um? And then the other thing really as

1224
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: far as some of the carryovers being able to see

1225
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: what were we effected at, what was good? You know, um,

1226
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: what do we want to carry over? And then what

1227
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: needs to be adjusted? What do we need to change? Um,

1228
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: you know what things just need to be different. So uh,

1229
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: you know, the thought the hope of that is is

1230
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: that hopefully that that allows the younger players, you know,

1231
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: especially trailing Chig you know, Nick Malique, these guys that

1232
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: that spend time learning the offense that it's just not

1233
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: a complete overhaul just for the sake of change. Um,

1234
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: if it's something that fits and it's something that that

1235
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: we do well, and it's effective, We're going to keep

1236
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: it the same, which should hopefully help the learning curve

1237
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: for those guys. Does it also give you the ability

1238
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: to understand kind of the dynamics within position groups, within

1239
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: the offense as a whole, to really have some consistency

1240
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: in terms of keeping some things where you don't want

1241
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: to rock the Yeah, no doubt. I think anytime you

1242
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: can do that while still again continuing to change, you know,

1243
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: whatever needs to be enhanced. Being able to do that

1244
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: and make those adjustments, I think that helps make that

1245
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: transition smoother. When you talk to Mike Vrabel about this

1246
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: post about being becoming offensive coordinator, what do you think

1247
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: are the most important things that you told him that

1248
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: made him make that decision in terms of how you'll

1249
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: take the offense for Yeah, you know, really want to

1250
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: be versatile. I want to find different ways to put

1251
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 1: different players in certain positions to take advantage of their

1252
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: skill set. So being able to identify what people do

1253
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 1: well and then continually put them in positions to be successful.

1254
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: And that that means change in formations, change of personnel groups,

1255
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 1: changing how fast we play. Those are all things that

1256
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 1: come into that. Um, you know, want to make sure

1257
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 1: that that on each snap were for forcing the defense

1258
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: to defend as much as much grass as possible, so

1259
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 1: you know, vertically with the field all of it. So

1260
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: if if you know, by stressing the defense, you know,

1261
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: hopefully that gives us more opportunities to have big plays,

1262
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 1: to take advantage of bad football, um and to just

1263
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: be a more explosive offense altogether. As we're continuing through

1264
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: the off season, free agency is looming, the draft is approaching.

1265
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: We're here at the combine right now, so there's so

1266
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: much evaluation going on. How much do you take into

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01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: consideration maybe some of those strengths and weaknesses within the

1268
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 1: offense that you've seen the roster that you currently have

1269
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: that you're familiar with, and then some areas potentially of

1270
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: need or some areas where you could do some tweaking.

1271
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: How much is that rolling around in your brain as

1272
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: you're continuing through this offseason. Yeah, a lot, a lot.

1273
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: I mean that's why we're here, right Everyone everyone's trying

1274
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 1: to improve and uh, you know, improve their areas of

1275
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 1: weaknesses and things along those lines. So again, having that

1276
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: firsthand knowledge of being able to watch development and being

1277
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 1: able to have a you know, a pretty good projection

1278
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 1: as to where you see some of the trajectories and

1279
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: these guys going, you know, helps with some of that.

1280
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: It allows you to know what limitations are and allows

1281
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 1: you to know where hey, Okay, this guy may not

1282
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: have done that, but i've we've seen a skill set

1283
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: and we've been able to identify that that he can

1284
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: check this box. So, you know, the more information you

1285
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 1: can have while trying to build a roster and trying

1286
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: to get guys on your team, Uh, they're going to

1287
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 1: help you win. I think the better off you're going

1288
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: to be. Earlier in this edition of the OTP, we

1289
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 1: talked extensively about the tight ends in this draft, which

1290
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 1: are pretty impressive, and we talked with coach Mack about,

1291
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: you know, the use of tight ends and the growth

1292
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 1: of tight ends, especially over the last five years. You've

1293
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 1: certainly spent a lot of time working with tight ends.

1294
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: You've had some good wins. What are you looking for

1295
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 1: from that particular position in your offense? Yeah, you know

1296
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: that spot. Obviously you're looking for for a form of physicality,

1297
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 1: and I think that all looks different, um, you know,

1298
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: based upon whatever body type you may have. So just

1299
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 1: because you're not six foot six and you know, two

1300
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five pounds or whatever. It maybe it

1301
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you can't be physical in your own in

1302
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: your own way. So finding a way to be physical

1303
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 1: and then finding a way to be versatile. The more

1304
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: you can do, uh, you know, the more you're going

1305
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:22,919
Speaker 1: to be able to be on the field, and you're

1306
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 1: more the more you're gonna help us win games. So

1307
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: being physical and being versatile, I think are two things

1308
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: that we really are looking for. Leads be right into

1309
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: a question about Chicka coquall. Were you pleased with what

1310
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 1: you saw from his development throughout the course of the year,

1311
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 1: especially from the standpoint of his availability to play more

1312
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: plays because he knew more. Yeah, he knew more. And

1313
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 1: you know, chi Chick did a good job a learning

1314
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 1: when it takes to be a pro um. You know,

1315
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 1: I think oftentimes that's something that we'd take for granted. Uh,

1316
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: with guys coming into the NFL and learning what it

1317
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: means to play professional football. There's a lot that goes

1318
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 1: into it, studying, you know, being able to take care

1319
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 1: of your body, some of the different uh, just challenges

1320
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: that that going on with that transition. So he did

1321
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 1: a good job handling that and then, um, you know,

1322
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: as far as his development throughout the year, he showed

1323
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: us that that when the ball would find him, he

1324
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 1: would make a play. So you know, the one that

1325
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 1: comes to mind is the ball that he caught here

1326
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 1: in Indyum. You know, the ball found him and he

1327
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: made the play. And so when that starts to happen,

1328
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 1: you start to feel more and more confident that, Hey,

1329
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: if we can get the ball in this guy's hands,

1330
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: you know some some good's gonna happen. Um. And the

1331
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: other thing is is he never blinked like we would

1332
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: ask him to do some things and there was never

1333
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: any huh and any kick back anything. He was Okay,

1334
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: here we go, let's go do it. Um. So again

1335
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: kind of speaks to his ability to go in there

1336
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: and be versatile and fiel multiple roles for us. There

1337
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 1: were a lot of guys who were younger last year

1338
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 1: and were asked to contribute in big ways as the

1339
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 1: season went on trail and Burkes was contributing early. Um,

1340
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: Nicholas petit Freres a guy who contributed a lot. How

1341
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: excited are you about that young talent and the amount

1342
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 1: of reps even though it was maybe under circumstances that

1343
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,600
Speaker 1: were less than ideal, they were able to get a

1344
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: lot of reps. They were able to get a lot

1345
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 1: of that experience. So going into year two, it's almost

1346
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 1: like they had an accelerated course. Absolutely, And you know,

1347
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:14,600
Speaker 1: as you go back and you watch the season succession,

1348
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 1: it's it's it's pretty cool to see the improvement that

1349
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: those young players had um each week. As you kind

1350
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: of were talking about, the more and more reps they got,

1351
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 1: the better off they were and the more productive they were.

1352
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 1: So we're excited there and hopefully we can kind of

1353
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 1: keep them on that track and continue to keep on

1354
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 1: that trajectory. What do you hope Kyle Phillips can be

1355
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: in the offense? Yeah, Kyle early on definitely showed us

1356
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: that he was a guy who go and you know,

1357
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 1: get open. He made some really big plays in that

1358
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 1: in that Giant's game, you think about the two minutes

1359
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: drive at the end of the game, had a big

1360
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 1: catch to put us in a position to keep the

1361
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: field goal. Um, you know, he's a tough matchup inside

1362
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 1: and a lot of times, you know, when you said that,

1363
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: my eyes kind of lit up because you sit here

1364
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: and you talk about trailing, and you talk about Jig

1365
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 1: and then all these guys, but Kyle's right up there

1366
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 1: with him. Um. You know, he's a guy that that

1367
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,799
Speaker 1: earned our trust early on. UM and you know, hopefully

1368
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 1: we can get him out on the grass a little

1369
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:09,639
Speaker 1: bit more and see what he can do. But he's

1370
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 1: got a unique skill set for us a lot of

1371
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 1: young guys. But there's also the potential for some veteran

1372
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,799
Speaker 1: leadership in certain places. How big of a contributing factor

1373
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 1: could free agency be in getting some of those veterans

1374
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 1: into some places where, of course you want them to

1375
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,759
Speaker 1: perform on the field, but also helping some of these

1376
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 1: younger guys kind of learn the way and stay on

1377
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 1: the path you want them to go down. Sure. Sure,

1378
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 1: you know obviously being able to bring some new guys

1379
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 1: in to do that, but we've gotten a lot of

1380
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:39,639
Speaker 1: good guys in the building already. Uh. You know that

1381
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 1: that are good examples for for you know, those younger

1382
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 1: players obviously. UM. So you're always looking to kind of

1383
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 1: infuse talent and making sure that if you're bringing someone

1384
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 1: into the building, you want them to be the right

1385
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: right type of person. Um and having guys working on

1386
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 1: different staffs that that may have had some experience with

1387
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 1: some different players and things on those lines. All the

1388
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 1: information you can gather on him is you know, it

1389
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 1: only helps in that decision making. So yeah, we're going

1390
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: to continually look to bring guys in that that can

1391
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: not only help us on the field, but help us

1392
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: in the in the meeting rooms and show those younger

1393
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 1: guys what what it means to be a problem. Tim Kelly,

1394
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 1: A question we've never had a chance to ask you,

1395
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:20,440
Speaker 1: and that is when you left Houston as offensive coordinator,

1396
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 1: why did you want to join the Titans staff? Yeah. Um,

1397
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: obviously being familiar with with coach Frabel in his time

1398
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: in Houston, kind of knew what he stood for, UM,

1399
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 1: knew how he operated. UM and then having the ability

1400
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 1: to to spend a lot of time watching crossover film

1401
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 1: and just and obviously having Dennis and just knowing what

1402
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: what was important to this organization and what was important

1403
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 1: to his program was always something that that I felt

1404
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:49,599
Speaker 1: like aligned with my beliefs, you know, being physical, being tough,

1405
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 1: being good situationally, all those different things were you know,

1406
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 1: w what made this uh move here? You know? Pretty easy.

1407
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 1: Let's ask you about Dennis Kelly, Well, we love your brother,

1408
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 1: and he played for us for five years and uh

1409
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: did an outstanding job whatever he was asked to do.

1410
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 1: But more than that, just a really good guy and

1411
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 1: and a total culture fit. Sure. I mean when they

1412
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 1: traded for him, people gasp because they were trading Dorial

1413
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: Green Beckham. And it turns out we got way better

1414
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 1: in the deal. Um, just just his We always wondered.

1415
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 1: We talked to him about the relationship with you. He said,

1416
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 1: Mom hopes that Hugh, when you play Houston, Houston scores

1417
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 1: eighty points, but we scored eighty one. He would say that.

1418
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 1: But he was always my mom's favorite anyways, Is that right? Yeah,

1419
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 1: when my dad was around, I think my dad would

1420
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 1: have said that we scored anyone and he scored eighty.

1421
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 1: But no, it was always it was always, uh, it

1422
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 1: was always really neat to be able just to see

1423
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 1: how much how much success he had had. Um that

1424
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 1: time we were able to spend on the field pregame

1425
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 1: and and you know, not a whole lot of people

1426
01:12:58,240 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 1: get to do that, and it was it was always

1427
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 1: really really unique. Um. Then even this year, being able

1428
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: to do it a couple of times. You know, when

1429
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 1: he was up in Indie. Um, it's just uh, you know,

1430
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 1: just speaks the type of person he is, the type

1431
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 1: of worker he is. UM. And it was it was

1432
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 1: just always really good to be able to come and

1433
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:15,759
Speaker 1: see him and see how far he's come, and and

1434
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 1: and for me to tell him I'm proud you know

1435
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 1: of him, that I am, and that he's been able

1436
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: to accomplish all, you know, everything that he's accomplished. What

1437
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: a career. Yeah, he's he's he's trunks and years together. Yeah,

1438
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: I made a couple of bucks. That's that's a good thing.

1439
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 1: All right. Let's end it with this, Tim Kelly. So

1440
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 1: many people in coaching say their second time around, they

1441
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 1: are so much better. And it's not that they weren't

1442
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 1: good their first time around. I mean, you've you put

1443
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 1: up plenty of numbers against us. We know who you are.

1444
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 1: We did the figure you coached six games against us.

1445
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 1: One was a game where you didn't play your starters,

1446
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:50,679
Speaker 1: and another was a throwaway game too, because we turned

1447
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 1: the ball over five times and you just shut it

1448
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 1: down and won the game because you just didn't turn

1449
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 1: it over. But the other four games you average three

1450
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 1: ninety nine against US, and thirty one point. So we

1451
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:02,640
Speaker 1: know who you are. We know who you are, but

1452
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 1: it was always fun to play against you. Guys. We

1453
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:08,759
Speaker 1: we made sure that we don't want to that anyway. Thanks. Hey,

1454
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 1: we know what you did. But where do you feel

1455
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 1: you will be better as an offensive coordinator doing it

1456
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: for a second time? Yeah? Um, you know I was.

1457
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:20,600
Speaker 1: I was talking to my wife about this just a

1458
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. Uh. More confident, more steadfast, I

1459
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:26,640
Speaker 1: guess if you will in your beliefs and how you

1460
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 1: want things done. Um. And understanding that you know your

1461
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 1: values in terms of your philosophy. Is your philosophy for

1462
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 1: a reason? Um? And making sure that that you're getting

1463
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 1: buy in from from the people that that you're working with.

1464
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 1: And um, and you know I would say, you know,

1465
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 1: I've got a clear vision as to what I you know,

1466
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 1: what we want to seem to look like. Uh. And

1467
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:49,680
Speaker 1: and and not wavering from that and going in and

1468
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 1: being steadfast in it. Um and and and making sure

1469
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:55,640
Speaker 1: that we're getting every coach, every player to buy in

1470
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 1: and make sure that again when when when these games

1471
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 1: start to count, however many months way it is from

1472
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 1: now that we're out there and we're more input points

1473
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 1: on the board. Well, we expect three hundred ninety nine

1474
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,680
Speaker 1: yards and thirty one points a game. Ever, every game,

1475
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 1: every game is what we listen. Tim, thank you so

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01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: much for the time, excited about you, Excited about this

1477
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 1: staff that you guys have put together, which is really outstanding,

1478
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 1: and looking forward to the Titans offense in twenty twenty three.

1479
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Well, thank you for Tim Kelly, a

1480
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 1: very very smart guy. Do you do you have an

1481
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:39,640
Speaker 1: expectation from what you saw of his offenses in Houston

1482
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:45,480
Speaker 1: Mac to how the Titans might look a little different offensively?

1483
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 1: They're going to be different. Okay, it will be, I

1484
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:51,200
Speaker 1: mean from you guys visit with him. I mean, he's

1485
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:55,679
Speaker 1: got definitive ideas. He's also got definitive ideas of things

1486
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 1: that he did at Houston that he won't do now,

1487
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 1: you know, and that, and so to me, I think

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01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 1: it's gonna be There's gonna be a lot to this,

1489
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:05,639
Speaker 1: and I think it will be something that we will

1490
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 1: watch as because we're always at the OTAs we're practices

1491
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 1: every day, we will kind of watch it evolve. But

1492
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 1: it will be different. But to come out right now

1493
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 1: and say and he didn't say it. You know he

1494
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 1: won't because but this is a smart guys. I Mike Devlin,

1495
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 1: who played for me as a center at Arizona, worked

1496
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:32,799
Speaker 1: with them as an offensive line coach for years at Houston.

1497
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 1: You know, I hired him at for his first job

1498
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 1: there at the Cardinals when he quit playing for US.

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01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,640
Speaker 1: And you know, I've talked a dev just about you know,

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01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 1: he's he just he says, makes one of the smarter

1501
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 1: dudes I've ever been around, and gets football. And you

1502
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:48,480
Speaker 1: know it's you know, some people are good at football,

1503
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 1: but people that are good at real football, there's a

1504
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 1: little bit of a separation. I'm excited to see what

1505
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 1: he's gonna do. Interesting to see what they're gonna get

1506
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 1: for him on offense too, is I think, undoubtedly read

1507
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 1: they're gonna be more moves on the offensive side of

1508
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 1: the ball in free agency and the draft than on

1509
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 1: defense when you consider the offensive line to begin with,

1510
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 1: We've talked about tight ends, and I think wide receiver

1511
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 1: is also in that conversation for sure. Now the difference

1512
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 1: now is this wide receiver draft is different. There are

1513
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 1: not big, monster pass catching weapons at the top of

1514
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 1: this draft. But what there is is a lot of

1515
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 1: value in the mental rounds. Mac. Yeah, this wide receiver

1516
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 1: draft is a little bit different. Different is a is

1517
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 1: a really good word, because you know, for several years

1518
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 1: prior we've had some really big dudes that are legitimate,

1519
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 1: legitimate dudes. You know, you can start just start naming them.

1520
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 1: This year, the best probably wide receiver now when you

1521
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:59,639
Speaker 1: start looking at the first big wide receiver you see

1522
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 1: is a Quentin Johnson kid from TCU, and he's six four,

1523
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifteen pounds, but there are elements to

1524
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:09,679
Speaker 1: his game that definitely need to be refined before he's

1525
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 1: a dude that's going to come in and be the

1526
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:14,799
Speaker 1: number one jump right off the start. The best receiver

1527
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 1: in this draft, in my humble opinion, is Jordan Addison

1528
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 1: from USC. You're talking about six ft one hundred ninety

1529
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 1: pound guy, played it pit and went to sc and

1530
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:27,639
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. You have a lot of these

1531
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 1: slighter receivers now because of what we've talked about earlier,

1532
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 1: the way it's spread out, that have been able to

1533
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 1: thrive in the National Football League. You know. I mean

1534
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 1: there's another one that we've seen a lot of just

1535
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 1: because of where we are is Jalen Hyatt from Tennessee.

1536
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of the fastest guys in the

1537
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 1: you know, you know, is he a big guy? No?

1538
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 1: Is he you know, is he a thick guy. No,

1539
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 1: he's a fast guy. You know, not a real big

1540
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 1: route tree and stuff. But he's going to be valuable,

1541
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 1: you know, in this draft. So I agree. But there

1542
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 1: as you start moving down into the draft and you

1543
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 1: start seeing it. One of my favorite guys is Jaden

1544
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:10,719
Speaker 1: Reid from Michigan State that was at the Senior Bowl.

1545
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:13,839
Speaker 1: I mean, I think this is a legitimate guy somewhere

1546
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 1: down around the third round that somebody's gonna say, this

1547
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 1: is our slot receiver and we're gonna go with this.

1548
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 1: There's a name that you're gonna hear this week in

1549
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 1: this wide receiver group that is one of the bigger

1550
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: receivers here at the Combine from the University of Florida.

1551
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 1: Justin Shorter ironic not shorter. He should measure around six

1552
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 1: to four in height, and so it's going to be

1553
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 1: interesting to see what his measurables are in these drills

1554
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:42,720
Speaker 1: and things because he's considered to be a you know,

1555
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 1: probably a Day three prospect. But could improve his stock

1556
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 1: because people are looking for that bigger receiving. Who I

1557
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 1: thought you were going to say, Cedric Tillman from Tennessee,

1558
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 1: who was also a bit was hurt all year. Ye

1559
01:19:56,360 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 1: got hurt early in the season and was never really

1560
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 1: able to get it back. He's got good size. He

1561
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 1: should come in six two, six three. He's got good size.

1562
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 1: I think back to the thing that you said earlier

1563
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:13,799
Speaker 1: in the OTP coach the medical. What's what's his medical

1564
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 1: gonna look like? Overall? Because in twenty twenty one, in

1565
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 1: the second half of that season, he exploded. He went

1566
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 1: from zero to sixty and three point two seconds after

1567
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 1: not having done virtually anything in his career at Tennessee,

1568
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 1: and he founded He became a combat catcher. He was

1569
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,560
Speaker 1: a deep thread, he was a route runner. He was

1570
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:39,680
Speaker 1: the guy you threw too on the tunnel screen and

1571
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:41,679
Speaker 1: he could take it to the house. It's like, where

1572
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 1: did this guy come from? He just kept working and

1573
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 1: he had good coaching at Tennessee. He was in a

1574
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 1: good system. And he comes back for twenty twenty two

1575
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 1: and then it's a disappointment. Yeah, well, I've got Cedric

1576
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 1: Tillman right here, right in the top the middle of

1577
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 1: the third round. You know that's a second day guy

1578
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 1: just right now now, because guess what he's got. He's

1579
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 1: got it on tape. He's got it on tape. And

1580
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 1: you spoke the truth here when you say it's gonna

1581
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 1: be the medical, it will be the medical. But on tape.

1582
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 1: This is a guy that is playing NFL football now

1583
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 1: because he gets the ball in his hands and he's

1584
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 1: hard to tackle right one on one. But Mike, what

1585
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 1: this draft is rich in in the wide receiver position

1586
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 1: is as a coach, Mac would call him gidget gadget guys, small, speedy,

1587
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 1: track athlete, backgrounds, returnability, special teams value tire Scott in

1588
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 1: the third round. Yes, yeah, So maybe we see a

1589
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 1: run on receivers in the third round and then tell is,

1590
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 1: I think he's more valuable in this draft because a

1591
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:45,640
Speaker 1: it's not a great receiver draft and B you said it,

1592
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:48,679
Speaker 1: it's not a great big receiver draft. You're right. So

1593
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 1: if you're looking for that guy and he and he

1594
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:54,759
Speaker 1: was going to be like a third rounder, maybe Cedric

1595
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 1: Tillman is a second rounder because he fits what you

1596
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 1: need in terms of that little more prototype cool side. Sure, right,

1597
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 1: now let me stop you. Let's stop talking about the

1598
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 1: draft for just a second and talk about the free

1599
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:09,719
Speaker 1: agency part of this, because the Titans are certainly looking

1600
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 1: to retool their receiving corps, and it appears as though

1601
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 1: the free agent receivers potentially one of those guys could

1602
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 1: fit the Titans. Needs to be, you know, sort of

1603
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 1: that number two with trailing burkes and give you a

1604
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 1: little more explosion than what they were able to get

1605
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:33,679
Speaker 1: out of Robert Woods. There's some of those guys, Ritt,

1606
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 1: there are. There was one release this week for the

1607
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 1: New York Giants, Kenny Kenny Golladay, just to start with.

1608
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 1: But if you look at all right I'm looking right now,

1609
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 1: as we said here in early March, Alan Lazard, free agent,

1610
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 1: Breshad Perriman, Byron Pringle. I mean, there's plenty of names

1611
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 1: through here. I think what Mike is saying rit is

1612
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 1: so true is they've got a for the Titans. They

1613
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 1: need a veteran presence there because your number one guy

1614
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:09,639
Speaker 1: is still a young guy, right, but you also need

1615
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 1: someone that will not completely dismantle your cap right, and

1616
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 1: so that's gonna have to be a three way fit. Well,

1617
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:21,720
Speaker 1: and that's The part of it is, I think with

1618
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:25,879
Speaker 1: the free agent receivers that are out there, you're talking

1619
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 1: about somebody who might not be a massive cap hit,

1620
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 1: who can come in and take that role. I mean,

1621
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 1: if I don't think you're paying seventy two over four

1622
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 1: years for Christian Kirk, I guess it's what I'm saying.

1623
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,599
Speaker 1: And Christian Kirk did a great job for Jacksonville. But

1624
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 1: I think you can find somebody who can fit a

1625
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 1: role and play effectively for your offense at a little

1626
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 1: bit lower end than that. Is it Juju Smith Schuster

1627
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 1: who's twenty six years old? There you go? Yeah, yeah,

1628
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 1: that to me that the whole free agency thing is

1629
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:05,680
Speaker 1: so much a separate kettle of fish then what the

1630
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 1: draft is, and it's it's so important. And you said that,

1631
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:12,680
Speaker 1: you know the reason Wilson went in there and they

1632
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 1: were able to get him because they had money, right, Yeah,

1633
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 1: they had they had money that they had to spend

1634
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 1: because there's a floor on the cap. There's a five

1635
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 1: year floor on the cap, a percentage wise of cash

1636
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 1: money that you have to spend. And so if you've

1637
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 1: got it, and you're right, I think what you're looking

1638
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:34,519
Speaker 1: at is a second wave right guys, Right, Mike. I mean,

1639
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:36,680
Speaker 1: I think that's what you're looking at here, which is

1640
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 1: they're going to have to do because those numbers there,

1641
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 1: you need them, and you need a little bit of

1642
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 1: a veteran presence just because of what we all know

1643
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 1: is I think Trailing Burke's will be a really, really

1644
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:52,600
Speaker 1: good receiver. I think Red hit it earlier in the

1645
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 1: conversation with Daniel Jeremiah though. I think there may be

1646
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:59,839
Speaker 1: a merge for the Titans of tight end and receiver.

1647
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 1: I think they may say see weapon at tight end

1648
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 1: as important as weapon at wide receiver, so that they

1649
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 1: may be looking for both. In that way, they could

1650
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:18,640
Speaker 1: spend money or draft capital on both, and they you know,

1651
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:22,680
Speaker 1: they they have a chance to get somebody who can

1652
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:24,640
Speaker 1: go catch a pass and get down the field and

1653
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,800
Speaker 1: be a matchup problem in you know each of these

1654
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:30,720
Speaker 1: situations well. And the other thing is is that it

1655
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 1: goes back to what you first started talking about. Starting that,

1656
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 1: Tim Kelly, what's his offense going to exit? Well, but

1657
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 1: if there's anything we know about a mic Vrabel team

1658
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 1: just overall, one of the main things he's looking for

1659
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:47,640
Speaker 1: is versatility in what you're able to contribute so especially

1660
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:51,680
Speaker 1: on the offense, especially after the couple of years that

1661
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 1: the Titans have had where they need people to be

1662
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 1: able to contribute in multiple places because you just never

1663
01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 1: know what's going to come down throughout the course of

1664
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 1: a season, and I think that there will be a

1665
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:04,599
Speaker 1: premium put on guys who can contribute in multiple ways.

1666
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 1: To Mike's point, what we do know is there will

1667
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 1: be an OTP tomorrow. There will there will be an

1668
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 1: OTP on Thursday, and there will be an OTP on

1669
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 1: Friday and Saturday and Sunday every day this week and

1670
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 1: Monday as the NFL combine continues in Indianapolis. Will also

1671
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 1: tell you that one of our shows, the Great Jim White,

1672
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 1: is going to stop by and we're gonna do something

1673
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 1: very special with him. You know he does his mailbags. Yep,

1674
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 1: he does the Tuesday mailbag and the Saturday mailbag. Well,

1675
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 1: we love Jim and he does a great job, but

1676
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 1: we want to put him on the spot on the OTP.

1677
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 1: We don't want to give him five hours to plot

1678
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 1: what questions he's going to take and to plot his responses.

1679
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 1: Live mailbag from the ot people go to Tennessee Titans

1680
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 1: Dot com slash otpq otpq at submit your question for

1681
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:03,600
Speaker 1: Jim White. Maybe you have a question about his visors,

1682
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 1: Maybe you have I mean, whatever you want to know.

1683
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:08,680
Speaker 1: Why two pencils to me? Whatever you want to know.

1684
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,639
Speaker 1: We're going to put the questions to Jim Wyatt on

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Speaker 1: an OTP for this weekend. But we need your questions, yep,

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Speaker 1: so ot people. The call is out questions for Jim

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Speaker 1: Wyatt at Tennessee Titans dot com slash op. Here's what

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Speaker 1: I want. I want somebody to call in and they

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Speaker 1: get call in. Well, I want who are they going

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Speaker 1: to type in? Yeah, type in, type in, type in

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Speaker 1: a question in Spanish so that he has to answer Spanish. There.

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Speaker 1: I love that. In the mailbags, I would agree with that.

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Speaker 1: So here's what we felt that Jim Wyatt's mailbags were lacking.

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Speaker 1: And that's a little danger. So we are yeah, we

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Speaker 1: are adding a fun, just live component to this whole thing.

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Speaker 1: And we know you all love Jim Watt and you should.

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Speaker 1: You should love him. You should read every article he

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Speaker 1: writes at Tennessee Titans dot com. And he's here and

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Speaker 1: he's walking around in a Vanderbilt Advisor and he's asking

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Speaker 1: questions and finding angles and giving the Titans fans his

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Speaker 1: very best every single day. The amount of stuff that

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Speaker 1: he produces is unreal. Frankly makes us terrible. We're often

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Speaker 1: compared to me, like, why don't you do more like

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Speaker 1: Jim Watt. It's like having a sibling. Wonderful. Yeah, but anyway,

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Speaker 1: your questions Tennessee Titans dot com slash OTPQ. We need them, Yep,

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Speaker 1: we want them because this won't if you don't submit

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Speaker 1: any questions, we won't be able to harass Jim Wyatt

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Speaker 1: in this fun and exciting way in Indianapolis where he

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Speaker 1: will say, oh, I'm too busy, but oh, Jim, you're

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Speaker 1: not the type of question that's it, thank you coach,

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Speaker 1: type of question in Spanish, And then I want Mike

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Speaker 1: Keith to read the question in Spanish to Jim, and

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Speaker 1: I want him to answer it. This is getting better.

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Speaker 1: It's getting better, but I know, I know the wheels

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Speaker 1: are spending for the ot people. Hope you've enjoyed this

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Speaker 1: podcast again. We're gonna bang them out all week. This

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Speaker 1: is number two of what I think will be at

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Speaker 1: least eight, maybe more. We may just stay and keep going,

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Speaker 1: or we may keep doing them. We get back to town.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot going on and we're excited about it.

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Speaker 1: We know you are. Thanks to Ritt Brian, thanks to

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Speaker 1: Dave McGinnis, thanks to Amy Wells, thanks to Farm Bureau

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Speaker 1: Health Plans and Ashley Farrell. I'm Mike Keith. You're listening

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Speaker 1: to the O. T. Pete. Welcome to the Big Show

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Speaker 1: where the legends call. Everybody knows. It's our house. Fighting thoughts,

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Speaker 1: tense making. Three. Greatness is be