1 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't stories of things we simply don't 2 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: know the answer too well. Hey there, and welcome to 3 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: the podcast Thinking Sideways. The podcast I of course am Steve, 4 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: as always, joined by Gel and once again we have 5 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: another mystery for you. It's a very ancient mystery. We're 6 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: actually going to talk about a historical mystery this week, 7 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: which is a little abnormal for us. We are going 8 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: to talk about what happened to the ninth Roman Legion. 9 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: You might see it called the Spanish ninth Legion or 10 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: the Legion ninth Hispania goes by a bunch of names, 11 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: depending on which interpretation. But before we get in to 12 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: the story, I do want to say thank you to 13 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: Jason on Facebook because he suggested this to us. No. 14 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: I was really again, as always, love the listeners suggestions too, 15 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: freaking greatest thing ever. There's gonna be some explanations of 16 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: several things in a minute, but let me give you 17 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: an overview of what we're going to talk about. Somewhere 18 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: shortly after year zero, that's the transition between BC two 19 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: A D or C E and B C E B C. 20 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna use B C and A D today, 21 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: but somewhere after that transition, the ninth Roman legion disappeared 22 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: from the records that were kept by the Romans. They 23 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: really did, and I've seen it. I've seen it in 24 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: two different ledgers. Essentially, I've seen it that they disappeared 25 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: after the records from one twenty and I've seen that 26 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: they did disappeared after the records that were kept in 27 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: the time of Marcus Aurelius in year one sive. So 28 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,559 Speaker 1: that that means and that they appeared in the records 29 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: uh that were made, and they also appeared in the 30 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: records that they were they were absent from either or both. No, 31 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: either they were absent from the records of one twenty 32 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: or they were absent from the records of one sixty five, 33 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: not both. One well, one presumes if they were absent 34 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: in one twenty, they would have also been absent in 35 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: chronologically the set of records in which they disappeared was 36 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: either either or it's it's I see it called out 37 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: as both. So that's what's the hard part. There's no 38 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: evidence of specifically what are concrete events, so specifically what 39 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: happened to this legion um, you know, did they get 40 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: destroyed in battle? Were they or by another legion? Did 41 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: they get phased out budget cuts? We just don't know 42 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: that it was for the Romans. Did they have any superstitions? 43 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: It's like we considered thirteen to be an end an 44 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: unlucky number. In my research of the Romans and stuff 45 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: like that, I never came across that. I know that 46 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: they had superstitions, but I never saw any of that 47 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: impacting numbering. I mean, I've looked at the thirteen legions 48 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: and and the twenty feet legion, like none of that 49 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: seemed to apply to them like we are used to 50 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: it today. Additionally, one presumes they would have just not 51 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: ever created to begin with. To begin with, that's because 52 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: the gods would not have liked that. So why even 53 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: offend the gods by starting that, right, just like we 54 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: just arbitrarily saying no, there's no thirteenth floor, it's the 55 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: fourteenth play. Yeah, that's the thing we do. We do, 56 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: we really do. Okay, explanation time, because they is where 57 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: we've got to get in some historical explanation. By the way, Yeah, 58 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: the Romans were around a long time. They were the 59 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: here's the dates. Well, well, actually, you know what, I'll 60 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: start off to week in the dates is that it 61 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: was a very deep, very complex history, and it's divided 62 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: into brackets. There's brackets of time that denote the empires 63 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: because there was there was the republican the Empire, and 64 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: then after that. So the Roman Republic is dated between 65 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: five O nine b C, and it fell because of 66 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: civil wars, internal conflicts. It fell in twenty seven BC. 67 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: From twenty seven BC forward, it was known as the 68 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: Roman Empire because of the Holy Roman Empire, because it 69 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: was ruled by an emperor, and the Roman Empire ran 70 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: from BC to four seventy six. And by the way, everybody, 71 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not going to call out a D on 72 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,679 Speaker 1: all these numbers. If it's a b C, I'm gonna 73 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: call it out. If I don't call it out, it's 74 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: an a D, because otherwise it's going to get really 75 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: annoying me constantly calling these a D. Because there's a 76 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,799 Speaker 1: most of what we deal with is from year zero forward. 77 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: That means that time from when we went to b 78 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: C to a D. So just to keep it simple 79 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: and easier for everybody, but the Roman Empire went until 80 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: four seventies six, and I know that our history buff 81 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: fans are gonna say, well, well, Steve, that's not when 82 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: the Empire ended. I understand that the eastern portion of 83 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: the Empire became the Byzantine Empire, which ran into the 84 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: fifteenth century. I understand that. But the important thing is 85 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: we're going to focus on year zero to ballpark. Year two. 86 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: Hun tripped the empire, the empire. It's all in the empire. Uh. 87 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: The other thing that you're gonna need to understand is 88 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: what is a Roman legion. It's a bunch of guys, totally, 89 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: is a bunch of guys, no ladies involved, because ladies 90 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: did not serve in a legion as a soldier. It's 91 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: not like what we have today, where it's men and women. 92 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: It was that very antiquated model of men only in battle. Well, 93 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: you know, it made sense because I mean, you've got 94 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: to wear a heavy armor and carry a big old 95 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: heavy sword and shield and all that stuff. That's obviously 96 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: something guys are a lot better suited to our Yeah 97 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: at the time, yeah, with the technology that was available. 98 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: But here's what you're specifically, what a Roman legion is. 99 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: The Romans broke their army up into subunits, and each 100 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: subunit is what we refer to as a legion. Each 101 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: legion then was made up of five thousand men accompanied 102 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: by a cavalry unit. And I can never get a 103 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: sense of the size of the cavalry unit, but they 104 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: had a cavalry unit. Then. It probably just depends on 105 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: how many horses were available, I'm sure, but you know, 106 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: the terrain and all that stuff. Sorry, yeah, no, yeah, 107 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: where they are, it's going to have a huge impact. 108 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: Can you have horses? The legions, though, they were kind 109 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: of a one stop shop. Each legion was amazingly flexible. 110 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: They were the infantry. They well they had let's see, 111 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: they they would they would fight the battles. Obviously, they 112 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: were the guys who swung swords and shot bows and 113 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: arrows and work, right, they did policing work. But they 114 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: built fortifications, they had their own internal command structures. I 115 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: mean they really were. They were. They were a very small, 116 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: well rounded army. Here's here's an example of what a 117 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: legion could do. So this this is going to jump 118 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: ahead in time and we're going to come back to 119 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: this in a moment. But if anybody has heard of 120 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: I believe you pronounced Hadrian's Wall. Hadrian was an emperor 121 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: who he came into power at one seventeen, that's when 122 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: he came into power. He became the emperor, and one 123 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: of the things that he decided to do, because Rome 124 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: was in Britain, was he was going to stop the 125 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: Britons because they were beating the crap out of the Romans, 126 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: and he built the wall. He decided that they would 127 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: build a wall and coast to coast wall east to west, 128 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: or I'm going to describe it west east. Actually it 129 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: was built from Boundness on Solway to um Wait. We 130 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: always get in trouble for how do you pronounce this one? 131 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: The same area it's got to. The actual tent it 132 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: to the town is not actually at the town of 133 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: ten Myth, but if you're zoomed out a little bit 134 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 1: on the map, it's in that area and the wall 135 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: doesn't completely exist anymore. I need to I need people 136 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: to understand this was not in the beginning a stone wall. 137 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: This was an earthen wall, which meant they dug and 138 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: created an earthen barrier. It was a wall, a ditch 139 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: and a wall. Eventually they came back and they built 140 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: the stone wall on top of it. But they built 141 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: that original wall in six years, they got a lot 142 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: of territory. I'm assuming they I'm assuming they pressed a 143 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: lot of locals in the work. I don't know that 144 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: for sure, Joe. From what I understood, the legions did 145 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: the work. But you know, it could be that they said, hey, 146 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: I'm not digging this, and they could have hired locals, 147 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: or they could have like just force them to work. 148 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: I mean there's also that. Yeah. Yeah, the whole force 149 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: labor thing could completely be plausible. I don't know for 150 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: sure because I did the base six on the wall, 151 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: but I didn't actually get into the real specifics because 152 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: this is just kind of my general example of how 153 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: effective they were. Yeah, the Romans actually left a ton 154 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 1: of a ton of ruins behind in England. I mean 155 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: the ones that I've seen personally, or the wall at 156 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: Chester that have you been to the city of Chester. Yeah, yeah, 157 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: they built that was originally their their fort their fortifications, 158 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: and then the town of Chester grew up inside that 159 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: and then eventually outside it. But the wall is still there. Well, 160 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: we've talked about when we talked about Jack the Ripper, 161 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 1: I was talking about when I was on the Ripper 162 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: tour and walking inside of the remnants of the wall 163 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 1: that's in London, and that was one of the things 164 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: that I know the Legions would have built. And it's 165 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: a it's a six ft thick wall of stone. Yeah, 166 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: an the one that the one in Chester is is 167 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: wide enough to walk on. Yeah, it's yeah, it's amazing. 168 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: These things are insane, but this is this is what 169 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: these guys were. They were the jack of all trades 170 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: and by the way, they'd kill you too. They could 171 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: do it all a lot of the If you want 172 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: to learn more about the Romans and then the Roman Army, 173 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: see Life of Brian by Monty. That's not a good reference. 174 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: Show that's not actually a viable reference, not an accurate reference, 175 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: I think. Okay, okay, back to the story. Yeah, my 176 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: my final thing that I need to point out before 177 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: we get into the story is the name of our legion. 178 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: We're talking about the Ninth Legion, but there's there's a 179 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: few of them. Okay, here's here's what we have. This legion, 180 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: as I had said, it is called the Ninth Hispania. 181 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: Well that's in a reference to Spain. That's what Romans 182 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: called Spain at the time, was Hispania. But the thing 183 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: is What gets confusing is yet, Yeah, they use that 184 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: as a training ground, which meant that every legion that 185 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: came out of modern day Spain was a number his 186 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: Spania and actually it was it was Hispania was actually 187 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: the Iberian Peninsula, so Spain and Portugal. Yeah, that's that's 188 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: good point. I'm generalizing. This is something by the way, 189 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: sorry to interrupt, but did they raise these legions in 190 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: in the Iberian Peninsula? So were these Spaniards that that 191 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: were in that populated this legion. I do not believe. So, 192 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: I do not believe that all of the soldiers that 193 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: were in the legion came from the region that they're 194 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: named for. There's there's a couple of things that we'll 195 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: get into about guys who were Roman citizens joining legions 196 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: and why they would do so and being in these 197 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: different legions. But I think it was it was it 198 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: was a training ground and it was also a place 199 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: to find talent at Yeah. I mean, the thing about 200 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: the Roman Empire is that the Roman Empire colonized everywhere 201 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: that it was. It was freaking here. So locals is 202 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: kind of a loose term at some point in the 203 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: way that you know, you say, there's um, well, or 204 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: like you know, in South Africa, people who were originally 205 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: British citizens whose family have lived there for a while, 206 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: our locals. But they're not you know, they're not they're 207 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: not like they're not indigenous. Yeah, I guess is the 208 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 1: word that I'm looking for. So, you know, it's it's 209 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: kind of a hard question to answer. You had to 210 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: be a Roman citizen to be in the legion. You 211 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: had to be a Roman citizen to be in the legion. 212 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: It was a way to become a citizen. It was 213 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: a way to become a citil. But you had to 214 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: be a Roman citizen to be in the legion. But 215 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: how if it was a way to become a citizen, 216 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: that's kind of kind of sign up and you would 217 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: become eventually a citizen. Yeah, got it? Okay, Yeah, it's 218 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: it's not be getting into the legion didn't require citizenship. 219 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: Being in the legion required it. Not getting into it. 220 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: That makes sense. So you a citizen immediately upon joining 221 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: that that was always my understanding. That was not my 222 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: understanding is that it was a stepping stone to citizenship. 223 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: You had to prove your service to the Empire. And okay, 224 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: and here's something to point out. Becoming a citizen in 225 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: Rome is a hard thing to pin down because in 226 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: the thousand year actual Roman Empire rule, it changed constantly 227 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:35,119 Speaker 1: what a citizen was and how to become a citizen. 228 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: So these things that is abb and flow. It's flexed 229 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: around a lot between the Republic and the Empire. We're 230 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: talking about thousand years and it's it's hard. It's hard 231 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: to imagine that the definition is staying the same year time. Yeah. No, 232 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: but so we could both be right. No, I think 233 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: we're actually I think we are both right to think 234 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: at the beginning it was one, in the end it 235 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: was the other. But I do Yeah, it's okay, we're 236 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: way off track. Where does Russell Russell Crowe falls in 237 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: about two minutes after the episode ends. Okay, What I 238 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: was getting at though, when I was talking about the 239 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: ninth Hispania is that the Hispania part of the name 240 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: dictates where they come from. The ninth obviously is legion number. 241 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: Numbering the legions is a very common practice. We see 242 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: it in military practices now where they'll name the number battalions. 243 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: You know, your battalion one to three, blah blah blah blah. Blah, 244 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: and then there's some naming convention after that to say 245 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: that you're from a certain area. This is very common. 246 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: What makes it all confusing is two bits of information. One, 247 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: how the ninth was written, because it's all by the way, 248 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: if you haven't figured this out, because it's Romans. All 249 00:15:55,080 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: in Romaneum roles, it is either I X, which would 250 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: be nine, or V I I I I, which is nine, 251 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: which is obviously a less easy way to say. It's 252 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: a very long way of saying it still works. But 253 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: what's also confusing is that legions operated on There was 254 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: numbers of legions, and they had different naming conventions based 255 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:31,479 Speaker 1: on where they were from or who founded the legions. 256 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: So you could have the ninth legion, which would be 257 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: the ninth his Spania, or you could have another legion 258 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: which was the ninth Augusta, the ninth legion founded by Augusta. 259 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: So there Augustus, thank you. So there were there could be, 260 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: based on my research of that specific time, somewhere between 261 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: five six legions with the same name or different names, 262 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: but the same number. So the ninth, So there were 263 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: other Nights, the Talent, or there were other ninth legions 264 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: that didn't get lost, right, correct, So we could say 265 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: that there are ninth legion A, BC, D, E, and F. 266 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: That's a way to look at it. But we're only 267 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: talking about one of that uh that numeral set that 268 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: I just ran off, So that makes it even more confusing. 269 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: And when we get into the things that are dug up, 270 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: the things that obviously have been excavated about them, that's 271 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: that's going to be an important thing to remember. Yeah, 272 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,239 Speaker 1: Unfortunately it's a little bit fragmentary and stuff that's been 273 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: dug up about them. Yeah, fragmentary. That was not a pun, right, 274 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: because these things are broken up. Yeah? Okay, Uh well, okay, no, 275 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: what we I think we've got enough jas I think 276 00:17:55,840 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: any other details you guys, okay, thank goodness. Do you 277 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: know anything about their history and when we when it began? 278 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: I do not. Actually, we don't know. We don't know 279 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: exactly when the ninth Hispania was created, the seventh and 280 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:20,199 Speaker 1: tenth of what really Joe ever the death of what? Uh? No, 281 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: we do have We've got some dates that we can 282 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: nail down which help us figure out how old it is. 283 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: We know that they were they participated in the Social War, 284 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 1: which was a war between Rome and its allies in Italy, 285 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: which was in ninety b C. We also know that 286 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: around sixty BC they were involved in battles that were 287 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: overseen by Pompey Volcano. The Many. Yeah, of course it 288 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: was totally the volcano was in charge, worst general ever 289 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: and it took over Um. And then we also know 290 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: that they were they served with Julius Caesar when he 291 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: was bad invaded Gaul, which would have been in fifty 292 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: eight BC. So we've got some France France, Yes, that 293 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: is correct. So we've got some before that year zero 294 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: time frame that I keep referencing, so we know that 295 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: there at least a hundred years old before that happens. 296 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: I've got to guess they're older than that, but it's 297 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: really it's hard to pin down. Scholars have figured out 298 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: that the Ninth Hispania was in Pannonia, which is modern 299 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: day Sitia, which is in Croatia. So they were in 300 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: Croatia between the year nine to the year forty three. 301 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: So if they were there that long, they were probably 302 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: kind of like doing garrison duty. I assume I would. 303 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: I would guess that, And I've got to think that 304 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: if they were in that same spot for thirty plus years. 305 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: That is a that's a serious way point, you know, 306 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:15,719 Speaker 1: of cycling soldiers through. I can't imagine that it's so 307 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: much a Spanish group anymore. If we're going to talk 308 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: about that, well, maybe they requisitioned all their men from 309 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: where it originally started from, unless they're feeding them in, 310 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: unless it's a trained ship, trained ship, I don't know. Yeah, 311 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: you know, it's like it's it's probably they would just 312 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: get him from anywhere. And there's no particular reason that 313 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 1: the original the original name is still there. But it's 314 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: kind of like it's kind of like George Washington's acts, 315 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, you know, um, so probably there were 316 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: not that many systems, you know, Iberians in there anymore. 317 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: It's true. But but after after about the year forty three, 318 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 1: it is believed that this legion was transferred. They went 319 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: some where. We don't know where, we don't know why, 320 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: and we really don't know what happened after that point. 321 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: So from there is when we start stepping into our 322 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: theories about this specific Roman legion. There are some there's 323 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: a number of theories and let me look through here, uh, 324 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: not seeing any cabros, not seeing any aliens. That's because 325 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: it predates both upbras and aliens. Joseph doesn't actually predate aliens, 326 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: but that's a different story. It predates Roman aliens space. Honestly, 327 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: aliens have been visiting us for like a million years. Okay, 328 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: now that we're done with that, I'm gonna give everybody 329 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 1: a heads up that what we're doing with our theories 330 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: is we're taking them in chronological order. I'm going to 331 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: go from oldest to newest. And that's the oldest in 332 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: terms of when and what happened, or in terms of 333 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 1: when somebody came up with the theory, oldest in terms 334 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: of date that occur. So, for example, our first theory 335 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: is centered in England between the years of one oh 336 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: eight and one nineteen because it does appear that they 337 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: were in England for a little while. It does, And 338 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: that's that's exactly right. Because in eighteen fifty four York, England, 339 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: these poor slubs is a bunch of workers, I think, 340 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: I don't remember what they were digging, but they dug 341 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: up a stone slab turned out to be a meter 342 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: square or not square, was a meter rectangle. I don't 343 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 1: think it was a meter thick yeah, but they they 344 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: dug up a slab that turned out to be inscribed 345 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: within the Roman language. I guess the Roman language would 346 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: be Latin. You're right, Steve doesn't know what languages watched. 347 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: Everything is Roman. To me, I really don't know what 348 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: I'm doing. You wouldn't think I've been reading about this 349 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: for weeks on end. Okay, Well that specific stone, now 350 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 1: that we're ignoring my stupidity. Uh. It talks about the 351 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 1: emperor Trajan. Trajan was a emperor and he was in 352 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: that time frame he ruled God. Let's say Trajan was 353 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,959 Speaker 1: from he was eight to one seventeen year ninety eight 354 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: to one seventeen, so we had almost twenty year rule, 355 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: which was long for a Roman empire. It really was 356 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: because emperor's got assassinated. Yeah, they were. They were prime targets. 357 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: A lot of poisoning going on. But it talks about 358 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: the fact that they were in They were in Britannia. 359 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: I believe is is it Britannia or Britannia Britannia. I'm 360 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: gonna say Britannia, Britain. They were in Britain. They were 361 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 1: in Britain. And the key point is is that we 362 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: know it's Trajan, which means we know that the time 363 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: frame is in his is the act. And they had 364 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: a date on the slab. They had a date on 365 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 1: the slab and they yeah, exactly, they do mention themselves. 366 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: And it wasn't the nicest time. Well, to be honest, 367 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: for the Romans, it was never a nice time to 368 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:20,479 Speaker 1: be in Britain. They paid hell the entire time that 369 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: they were in Britain. That's one of the reasons that 370 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: that Hadrian's Wall was built, and were not particularly grateful 371 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: for all the cool stuff that Romans did for they 372 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: really didn't like them. Uh yeah, not a good thing, well, 373 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: the Brits and uh, eventually the Picks because when we 374 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: get into the Ireland, that's where the Picks were at, 375 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 1: and they hated him even more. And it's was a 376 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: lot of people died, lots and lots of people died 377 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: because of this invasion. And you know what the stupid 378 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: thing is, I've read a lot of accounts. It made 379 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: sense why the Romans conquered where they conquered around the Mediterranean. 380 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: Do you know why they appear to have invaded Britain. No, 381 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: they like the food, nobody really does it just seems 382 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,959 Speaker 1: to have been kind of a political I'm going to 383 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 1: expand the empire move because Caesar was one of the 384 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: ones who did it, Julius Caesar. Well, they you know, 385 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: that's that's the more territory and people you rule over, 386 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: and the more you can collect in taxes. And that's 387 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: a great point. Typically the empires back in those days, 388 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: like the Ottomans very good example, they didn't actually exercise 389 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: that much, nearly as much control as like the Romans did. 390 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: They usually just like set up set up a government 391 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: or whatever, and then just collected taxes and then the 392 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: people out of the provinces could really kind of semi 393 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: govern themselves, and but as long as they send in 394 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: their tribute and it was all fine. Yeah, it's a 395 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: great point. So we've we've got that stone slab. We 396 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: also have another bit of evidence that says there shows 397 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: that the Ninth Hispania was in Britain at this time. 398 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: It does appear that they were were actually well, we 399 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: do have one good piece of evidence that shows that 400 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,479 Speaker 1: the Ninth Hispania was in that area in that time 401 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: frame the one oh eight forward, the year one o 402 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: eight forward, and that is a guy who would eventually 403 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: become a Roman senator. Um and Devin, you are better 404 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: with this than and when it comes to Latin Roman Italian. Yeah, 405 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: Joe and I were talking about this. I think it 406 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: is Lucia Lucius Barbulus Legionarius. Okay, so what's his first name? 407 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: Lucius Lucius. Okay, We're gonna stick with Lucius because that's 408 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: easier to say. He is believed to as a young man, 409 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: have served with the ninth Hispania as of the year 410 00:26:55,000 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: one fifty. There was a practice among young men who 411 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 1: wanted to move up the political ladder to serve with 412 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: the legion because that got you kind of some street credit. 413 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: It got you, you know, you you put your time 414 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: and you proved your service to the empire. That would 415 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: then allow you to move forward. And and there's some 416 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: problems with this because some men would serve with more 417 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: than one legion. But what he did specifically is he 418 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: was part of the military tribune, which is it tribune 419 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: or tribune? Tribune, tribune? Thank you? What this did? You 420 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 1: can almost think about this in the United States. We've 421 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: got the House in the Senate and they're theoretically supposed 422 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: to balance each other. This was this military tribune was 423 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: supposed to help balance the Senate. Yeah, you know, Rome 424 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: was a pretty militarized society, so it makes sense that 425 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: there would be a military component to their civilian senate. Okay, 426 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: well the thing is, of course then he uh, he serves. 427 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: But like I said, there are times where a guy 428 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: would serve with a couple of the different numbered legions, 429 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: So it's possible this is gonna get messy when I 430 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: explained it, so I apologize. He could have served with 431 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: the ninth Hispania, he could have served with the ninth 432 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: something else, or he could have served with another numbered 433 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 1: his Spania. So we've got three possible combinations going on here, 434 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: which makes it really tough. I I don't know, I 435 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: don't know which it is, but but I did. I 436 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: want to I want to explain something, or I want 437 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: to I want to share with something that I came 438 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: across that I found amazingly interesting. And I'm really kind 439 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: of peeved at my history teachers for not explaining to 440 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: me about Rome. We all know that Rome was the 441 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: big deal. They were the hot shots. It was an 442 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: amazingly impressive bunch of guys, and when you think about it, 443 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: and you take a look at a map of Rome. Say, 444 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: in the year one hundred they owned the Mediterranean, and 445 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: I mean literally owned the Mediterranean north to south. They 446 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: went from Egypt to England and west to east. They 447 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: went from Spain to Iraq, all of North Africa. They 448 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: held it all, and they did it in an insanely 449 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: short amount of time. The Romans, roughly this is a 450 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: rough date. They started expanding from Italy around fifty b C. 451 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: As of about the year one hundred, they owned pretty 452 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: much all of it. That's an amazing rate of progress, 453 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: especially when you figure ships and horseback that's how you 454 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: get around other than your own two feet. I just 455 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: looked up the interesting fact it was fifty four countries 456 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: that they owned at the height of their's Here's the 457 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: great thing that I found, and I love the article 458 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: that I found that pointed this out because this is 459 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: what I never understood. How they made it so rapidly 460 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: through places. Rome was conquering other city states or civilizations. 461 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: They weren't settling or taking over small areas. They were 462 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: taking over nations. So let's take Macedonia for example. Okay, 463 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: Macedonia had a pretty big, you know, footprint. They went 464 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: in they conquered the Macedonians. Well, they conquered the central 465 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: power structure of Macedonia. Therefore they owned all of the air. 466 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: Is that it owned. Those people are as civilized people. 467 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: They're used to dealing with the laws of a governance. 468 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: They're used to paying taxes, they have to follow rules 469 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: like they're used to. How it works. This all is 470 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: kind of, you know, status quo for them. They may 471 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: not like the Romans, but that's not the point. The 472 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: Romans once they won, they took it all. Well, now 473 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: let's contrast that too. When they expanded past that point 474 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: to say Britain or Ireland or Germany. We first tribes, 475 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: exact warlike tribes who were loosely connected but not centrally organized. 476 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: So the Romans run in and they think, well, we're 477 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: going to take over the central government, We're going to 478 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: own it all. But none of those tribes rule the others. 479 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: And by the way, none of them, none of them 480 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: like the Romans. So they all fight back, they all revolt. 481 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: It's constant guerrilla warfare. The poor, the legionnaires, the legions, 482 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: they're used to one style of fighting, which is your 483 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: army is over there, my army is over here, and 484 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: we say one, two, three, and we run at each other, 485 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: and whoever standing at the end winds. But gorilla warfare 486 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: doesn't work like that. That's sneakier in that much sneakier. 487 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: But having gotten used to that way, I mean, the 488 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: Romans got a little, a little comfortable. I'm not saying 489 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: that the wars that they fought reasy, but they got 490 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: used to this is how it works. We go into 491 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: the big city, we conquered the city, and for the 492 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: most part, things are easy at them. It was a 493 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: bit of rule of war, right. It was kind of like, well, 494 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: these are the rules of the war, so we're gonna 495 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: play by it. And well, you know, fair, you're not 496 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: playing by the rules. Hey, oh, I guess there isn't 497 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: a referee. Never mind. For the Romans, the rule of 498 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 1: war was that in the spring you got ready and 499 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: you marched out for war. In the summer, you fought. 500 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: In the fall, you finished the battle, and then you 501 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: went home because you rested in the winter, because nobody 502 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: fought in the winter. That just is how it happened. 503 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: For all these other tribes or these other these rougher 504 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: than the savages or the barbarians the Romans called them. 505 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: That didn't apply. They didn't care. It was December and 506 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,719 Speaker 1: they would launch raids and they would attack, and so 507 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: the Romans were really scrambling the whole time. They they 508 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: got themselves nothing but pain for those later expansions that 509 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: went into those areas. Yeah, and uh, you know, I 510 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: mean kind of a waste of their time. They lost 511 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: a lot of men and what they left behind some 512 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: cool artifacts, huge casualties, but they did they did build 513 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: some kind of decent or decent would be the aqueducts 514 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: and the roads that you're referring to, or just anything 515 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: in general that they built up. The stone, the walled 516 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: cities that they build, Adrian's walls, the baths at Bath 517 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: and into those it was pretty cool. You can't bathe 518 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: in those though, you can't really know, they won't let 519 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: you there, an historical kind of thing. Didn't quite Yeah, 520 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: I didn't get that, fine, Yeah, okay, well let's yeah. 521 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: So anyway, so because they were stationed in England, I know, 522 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: this is one of the theories is and they were 523 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: confronted with these these you know, savages Britain, the Brits 524 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: to be you know, yeah, the Britain's the Britain's destroyed them. 525 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: Is this theory is that they were there, they were 526 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 1: destroyed and they just never got reconstituted. Correct. Yeah, So anyway, 527 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: that's a popular theory. It was popularized some woman whose 528 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: name escapes me right now. I wrote a book novel 529 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: like back in the fifties about is that the one 530 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: that was turned into that movie The Eagle? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yes. 531 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 1: Then it's uh, it's a very popular theory in Britain. 532 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: And I don't know that it's true, you know. I 533 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: I put that in. I put the movie The Eagle 534 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: in my queue and I'm is gonna watch it? And 535 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: then I noticed that it was rated at at two stars, 536 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: which really kind of told me something about how a 537 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: good the movie was and possibly how good the story was. 538 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: And so I never went through. I can understand why 539 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: it would be popular. And uh, well, yeah in the 540 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: UK is the we triumphed over the giant Roman Empire. 541 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: We beat them back. I get them totally. The reason 542 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: kind the reason that Braveheart is so popular in Scotland. 543 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: It's true. It's definitely not Mel Gibson. It's moved to 544 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: our next theory. Yeah, we're now going to move to 545 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: the year one seventeen to one thirty. This is a 546 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: bit of an extension the previous theory. We've talked about 547 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: Hadrian or Hadrian before. I still can't figure out which 548 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:53,919 Speaker 1: way I'm going to say it. I go both ways. 549 00:35:53,960 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: But Hadrian, that guy through the Roman armies or agents 550 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: at the Brits, and he killed a lot of men 551 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: because he just continually just threw him into the grinder. Well, 552 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: it's known that he was constantly having this battle. Obviously, 553 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: we talked about the wall he had, which was a 554 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: fortification that he had constructed. It's then plausible that maybe 555 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: the Ninth was there, and there's actually some historical record 556 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,800 Speaker 1: that may support that the Ninth was there during his reign, 557 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: that specifically being some tiles and plates that were found. 558 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: There was a tile that was found, a roofing tile 559 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: that was found, a ceramic tile found in the Netherlands, 560 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: and then followed by that there was a roofing tile 561 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,240 Speaker 1: and then a plate found in Northern England. The tile 562 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: from Northern England has a stamp in the back of it, 563 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: and by the way, that was found in n and 564 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: that stamp in that ceramic says al E g V 565 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: I I I I H. And that's it. Then we've 566 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: got the plate from which is also ceramic, that has 567 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: a stamp and it found thank you. That's good clarification. 568 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 1: And that's the one that was found in Britain or 569 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: in the North Britain. We're ignoring the Netherlands for the moment. 570 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: We're only talking about Britain. The one, the plate that 571 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: was found in Britain has a very similar stamp. It's 572 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: has l E g v I I I I H 573 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: I sp both of which are interpreted to mean Leggio 574 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: ninth Hispania, the ninth legion of Spain. The one that 575 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: the roofing tile that was found in the Netherlands, though, 576 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 1: is not so conclusive. And the reason is is that 577 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: the end of it is broken. The end of it 578 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: where the you know, we've got up through the numerals 579 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: and then we should get into the characters, the letter characters. 580 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: That's where it's broken. And the first character that can 581 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: be read, that first line of it is actually at 582 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 1: an angle. So if we think about this, an H 583 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 1: is straight up. The first line of the letter H 584 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:26,879 Speaker 1: would be a vertical line. Yeah, this one is at 585 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: an angle diagonal, Yes, which suggests that would be an A, 586 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:37,879 Speaker 1: which would mean it was the ninth AUGUSTA, a different legion. Yeah. 587 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 1: And actually, to explain to our listeners, one of the 588 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 1: theories that was out there is that they were they 589 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 1: didn't disappear from England. They were they were just transferred 590 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: out and sent somewhere else by the Netherlands and so 591 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: yes and yeah, And the discovery of this stuff like 592 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 1: gave gave rise to this theory. But it appears that 593 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,320 Speaker 1: they probably didn't get relocated to the Netherlands. Well no, 594 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: I see. The problem is is that we don't know 595 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 1: a if it was the entire legion that went there, 596 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: or if it was just a company or a part 597 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 1: of the legion that got transferred there. That's the problem is. Okay, 598 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: the legions would do this, They would send detachments to 599 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: support another legion. So Legion A is getting its butt 600 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: kicked and it's lost a bunch of men. So we say, hey, 601 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: the the Emperor says we have to send you a 602 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,760 Speaker 1: thousand men. We send you a thousand men. Those thousand 603 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: men still consider themselves part of the ninth Legion, yea, 604 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: even though there with the seventh Legion. So that is 605 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: where he gets weird, because they would still leave record 606 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 1: of their group, regardless of the whole that they were 607 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,359 Speaker 1: officially according the empire. So it's not clear if the 608 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: legion itself was maybe stationed at, say the Netherlands, and 609 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,760 Speaker 1: that they just sent five thousand men over to help 610 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: in Britain, or a thousand men because the legion is 611 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:07,879 Speaker 1: five thousand Sorry, I meant um, or you know, if 612 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 1: the actual legion was in Britain and they sent a 613 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,319 Speaker 1: contingent to the Netherlands. Correct, yeah, we or or you 614 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,320 Speaker 1: know I mean or they all went both places. Yes, 615 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,399 Speaker 1: it could have been that they can been divided up 616 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 1: into several areas. Because here's the thing. Yes, Rome took 617 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 1: over and for the most part, in general things were good, 618 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,879 Speaker 1: but they use the legions as their police force because 619 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: not everybody was happy with Roman rule. Of course, it 620 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: never is you come in and you take over the 621 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 1: people and they welcome you and everybody loves you. That 622 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 1: just doesn't happen. So what would happen is and they 623 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 1: would send small detachments. That is because later emperors learned 624 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 1: from the mistakes of their emperors, where there would be 625 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: a battle or an uprising in one area. They would 626 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,239 Speaker 1: take a legion from another place and they would move 627 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 1: it there to support what was going on. But the 628 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: place that they had just now left unguarded would rise 629 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: up or somebody would try to invade because they didn't 630 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 1: have that supporting policing force anymore. So the smart thing is, 631 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: don't move all of it. All your eggs in one basket. 632 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 1: You shift bits and pieces round. Yeah, yeah, but still, 633 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 1: and so they might have sent some forces over to 634 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 1: the nither ones there there maybe somebody like somebody from 635 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 1: the ninth and rejoined joined some other legion and just 636 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,799 Speaker 1: took some souvenirs along with them. Could have been as 637 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,279 Speaker 1: as simple as that a roofing tile is in A 638 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: plate is a weird okay, A plate I get. A 639 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 1: roofing tile is a weird souvenir because usually you make it, 640 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:59,239 Speaker 1: you stamp it, and you use it. Tearing it then 641 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 1: off of the roof and taking it with you would 642 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,280 Speaker 1: to me be the equivalent of taking the light switch 643 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: plate off of my apartment and taking it to my 644 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 1: new apartment. That you've never done that, I don't know. 645 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 1: For me, it's more of a Hey, my house got destroyed, 646 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 1: and now I got transferred. I'm going to take a 647 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,799 Speaker 1: piece of my house and make it a part of 648 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,279 Speaker 1: my new house. I mean that it's possible. It's not 649 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: as though things weren't getting destroyed. It's absolutely possible. I'm 650 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,359 Speaker 1: not going to discount any of that. I just yeah, 651 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: but again, the only one you have, the only the 652 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,320 Speaker 1: only real evidence that they got transferred to the Netherlands 653 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 1: is basically a thing that could have been a different 654 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,800 Speaker 1: Ninth Legion anyway, right, Yeah, and that's about it. Yeah, 655 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,799 Speaker 1: we don't know. Yeah, but let's let's move to the 656 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,880 Speaker 1: third theory, which is that the Ninth Legion, which is 657 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: this is a little bit again these kind of fall 658 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:57,360 Speaker 1: in line was absorbed and or relocated. And this says 659 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:03,440 Speaker 1: that they were moved, moved to a stronger legion and 660 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:08,480 Speaker 1: then absorbed by it. And the specific instance that we 661 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:13,719 Speaker 1: can point to is the fact that in Caledonia, which 662 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 1: is modern day Scotland, the Ninth Legion was almost completely 663 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: wiped out. This would have been the year eighty two 664 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: to eight three. By the way, they absolutely got their 665 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 1: butts kicked. It was another group that came in that 666 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 1: barely saved him, and there wasn't a whole lot left. 667 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: There's also evidence that the sixth Legion, and I don't 668 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: know which sixth legion, I couldn't see it called out, 669 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: was also transferred to northern England, and it also then disappeared. 670 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,720 Speaker 1: So it's been debated whether those two were combined into 671 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: a new number legion. So the sixth and the ninth 672 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,360 Speaker 1: were then com me angled into not probably not the fifteen. 673 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 1: Probably not math unfortunately it's not basic math, but we'll 674 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,719 Speaker 1: go with that they were co mingled into a completely 675 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 1: different number and then subsequently they were destroyed. Is kind 676 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:23,200 Speaker 1: of triangle, the perm triangle the Roman legions. The the 677 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,400 Speaker 1: only thing that I will say when we talk about 678 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,400 Speaker 1: we talked about the transfer thing. The only thing I 679 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 1: can think of that might substantiate that is if there's 680 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 1: an officer from the ninth Hispania they get wiped out 681 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,239 Speaker 1: or transferred absorbed, he's still loyal to his group. Then 682 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 1: they're making these tiles or plates and he goes ahead 683 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 1: and says, you know what, I'm gonna stamp it in 684 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 1: their name in remembrance of my fallen brothers. That's the 685 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 1: only instance where if this is right, This would make 686 00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:00,680 Speaker 1: sense the evidence that we picked up. Um. Then the 687 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: next two theories are really all about destruction, and it 688 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,920 Speaker 1: is absolutely the destruction of the Ninth Hispania. They're all 689 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,879 Speaker 1: kind of about destruction, aren't they. These ones more so 690 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,239 Speaker 1: than others, because the other ones could be they just 691 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,840 Speaker 1: they kind of maybe got disbanded or petered out. I 692 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,160 Speaker 1: don't know. These ones are all pure kill, straight up kill. 693 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,759 Speaker 1: Second last theory here is that in the year one 694 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:30,920 Speaker 1: thirty two, there was a uprising in what is now 695 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:37,160 Speaker 1: known as in modern day times it is Israel Palestines. Yeah, 696 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,719 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of gray areum, Okay, So that little 697 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,439 Speaker 1: country at the far eastern end of the Mediterranean right there. 698 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 1: This uprising was known as the Bar Kochba revolt, and 699 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,239 Speaker 1: that was the revolt where the Jewish people of the 700 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:58,880 Speaker 1: area they totally rose up against Romans with absolutely justifiable 701 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,359 Speaker 1: reasons because there was huge religious persecution going on, and 702 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:09,399 Speaker 1: they they inflicted huge damage on the Romans. But but 703 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,360 Speaker 1: this theory says that the Ninth was sent to that 704 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,560 Speaker 1: area to reinforce the legions that were already stationed there, 705 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:23,840 Speaker 1: but they were defeated through heavy casualties. The entire legion 706 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,800 Speaker 1: was killed by the local forces, and the men that 707 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,520 Speaker 1: remained of the Ninth were then disbanded. There wasn't enough 708 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,319 Speaker 1: of them to even matter, so they just, you know, 709 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,960 Speaker 1: go home. What sort of evidence for this one, Well, 710 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:47,040 Speaker 1: there's evidence that, I mean, the uprising happened, and they 711 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,640 Speaker 1: it's it's called the Second Jewish Uprising. There was one 712 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:56,000 Speaker 1: prior and this one is where they really they they 713 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,359 Speaker 1: boxed them about the years. They really kind of did 714 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,040 Speaker 1: them in. But and there's a lot of deaths on 715 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,640 Speaker 1: the Roman side. Yeah, but did they find any actual 716 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,440 Speaker 1: evidence that the Ninth Legion was actually there? Did they 717 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,919 Speaker 1: find any remnants of tiles or plates or anything else. See, 718 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,799 Speaker 1: this is the reason I don't believe this one is 719 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,719 Speaker 1: because they owned the whole Mediterranean. They had lots of 720 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:21,480 Speaker 1: forces much closer to Palestine than England. You know, specifically 721 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:26,680 Speaker 1: which one that would be. I'm gonna butcher this unless 722 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,520 Speaker 1: you can help me out with a devon. I'm gonna 723 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,879 Speaker 1: say it's the Dio Tariana. That's close enough, sweet, because 724 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,400 Speaker 1: I have to say it one more time later on 725 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 1: Tario Tariana Tariana. The twenty second mort Or Division was 726 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 1: based in Egypt, and it was documented in the Roman 727 00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:54,400 Speaker 1: records as being in the area at that time. Here's 728 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:59,600 Speaker 1: the key point. The twenty second legion, who we're talking about, 729 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:05,080 Speaker 1: they disappear from the record books, just like the ninth, 730 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,279 Speaker 1: so we don't know whether it was the ninth or 731 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,640 Speaker 1: the twenty second or both. And I have to say 732 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,399 Speaker 1: that if it was both of them, that is one 733 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:24,120 Speaker 1: of the largest Roman defeats in history. Two legions decimated 734 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:29,160 Speaker 1: is unheard of, and there's only one other defeat that 735 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,920 Speaker 1: was worse. So you think that would be better recorded 736 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,880 Speaker 1: and well known, unless they were trying to, you know, 737 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,160 Speaker 1: hide the casualties, you know, trying to play it cool 738 00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,320 Speaker 1: and say no we did I mean, yeah, we got defeated, 739 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,759 Speaker 1: but it wasn't that bad. Let's just hey, hey, you 740 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,160 Speaker 1: wrote out all that on that stone, right, throw that 741 00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:49,680 Speaker 1: over the hill. What is it going to break those 742 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,080 Speaker 1: Just break that? Actually, it actually is, you know, especially 743 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,719 Speaker 1: back in these days when you have like long lines 744 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,880 Speaker 1: of communication and things like that and resupply if you're 745 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,120 Speaker 1: if you're the empire, it's a really good idea to 746 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,279 Speaker 1: maintain this facade of invincibility. So you definitely wanted to 747 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,960 Speaker 1: suppress any bad news like that. There's a lot of 748 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:15,480 Speaker 1: information suppression in the Roman Empire. I've seen things about 749 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,680 Speaker 1: how the emperors didn't know what was going on, the 750 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,160 Speaker 1: soldiers didn't know what was going on, but there were 751 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:26,399 Speaker 1: certain political elite who had the fleet footed messengers that 752 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,759 Speaker 1: knew and controlled all that. And it's a lot like 753 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,759 Speaker 1: what in the Cold War, where there was people who 754 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,000 Speaker 1: didn't have a clue and the people who thought they 755 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,239 Speaker 1: had a clue, and then there was that guy in 756 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,600 Speaker 1: the middle that had all the messengers running around, and 757 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,279 Speaker 1: there was a lot of things that came out in 758 00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,399 Speaker 1: the wash later on. And that's what we get now 759 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,920 Speaker 1: is we're able to find a bunch of that correspondence. 760 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,480 Speaker 1: Our final theory of what happened to the Ninth Hispania 761 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:57,280 Speaker 1: is that it was destroyed in the Parthian War between 762 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,959 Speaker 1: year one sixty one to one sixties six. Are good 763 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:07,319 Speaker 1: friend Marcus Aurelius, he uh, he didn't believe or didn't 764 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,839 Speaker 1: agree with the Parthians. Actually, to be quite honest, the 765 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 1: Parthians of the Romans had been arguing for a good 766 00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:17,479 Speaker 1: fifty or eighty years and had had a number of wars, 767 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:22,120 Speaker 1: but Aurelius had committed to the Parthian War in one 768 00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:26,120 Speaker 1: sixty one, and this is in what is for a 769 00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:31,879 Speaker 1: geographic references is Iran today. That's where it happened. Yeah, 770 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:36,719 Speaker 1: the Persian Empire, that's yeah, exactly. The Parthian army, it 771 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:44,360 Speaker 1: is said, surrounded, surprised, and then surrounded a Roman legion 772 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:51,040 Speaker 1: and annihilated it. That legion, we don't know what it was. 773 00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:58,480 Speaker 1: Nobody can find reference specifically to what legion it was. There. 774 00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,680 Speaker 1: There's there's legions that we know that we're in the area. 775 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:09,440 Speaker 1: There is the twelve Fulmonata and the fifteen Apollinaris. Those 776 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,080 Speaker 1: were both in the area. But there are also records 777 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:17,080 Speaker 1: of those legions as of the year two hundred, so 778 00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,719 Speaker 1: we know they can't be the ones that were destroyed 779 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:24,239 Speaker 1: between one and one sixty six. Well that's actually do 780 00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,920 Speaker 1: we know that for sure, because there's no reason that 781 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,719 Speaker 1: they couldn't have re raised, They could have repo they 782 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,680 Speaker 1: could have basically restarted the whole thing. I mean, I 783 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,920 Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe the Romans had maybe they had some 784 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,719 Speaker 1: sort of the custom. It was kind of like retiring 785 00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,080 Speaker 1: your shirt from the NBA or something like that, where 786 00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,200 Speaker 1: if you were totally wiped out, they would just retire 787 00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,719 Speaker 1: your number and your name. That's the impression that I've 788 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,000 Speaker 1: gotten from the stuff that I've read, is that if, if, 789 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:53,759 Speaker 1: and when a legion was annihilated, they didn't reuse it. 790 00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:59,880 Speaker 1: It was almost an unlucky number. So the third Apollinaris 791 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:04,680 Speaker 1: was destroyed, we don't restart the third. We go ahead 792 00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:09,120 Speaker 1: and say, well, there's twelve, so we'll make That's the 793 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,720 Speaker 1: impression that I've got, and I could be completely wrong. 794 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:17,319 Speaker 1: But back to the theory. The theory is, and by 795 00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,480 Speaker 1: the way, this this theory is really soundly based in 796 00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,360 Speaker 1: if you remember in the beginning I talked about the 797 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,800 Speaker 1: two dates of records. One was the year one twenty 798 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,800 Speaker 1: and one was the year one five. This is set 799 00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,120 Speaker 1: on that this one is the only one that hinges 800 00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:38,560 Speaker 1: on that one record date. And it says that, of 801 00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:43,000 Speaker 1: course that the the ninth Espana was the lost legion 802 00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,680 Speaker 1: in the Ptarthian War, and that they were moved into 803 00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:50,680 Speaker 1: that area and that then subsequently destroyed. But people who 804 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:55,480 Speaker 1: were disagreeing with that, they also those folks which one 805 00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,279 Speaker 1: of you could say this again because I can't, is 806 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,319 Speaker 1: that the twenty second diot in area, which I know 807 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:07,000 Speaker 1: I just said wrong. I think it's yeah, that one, Uh, 808 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,200 Speaker 1: that's fine, But that legion was the one that was 809 00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:17,759 Speaker 1: destroyed by the Parthians. Well, the problem is which one 810 00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:22,560 Speaker 1: was actually destroyed in which battle? Because we just said 811 00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,480 Speaker 1: that people are saying that they were destroyed in the 812 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,480 Speaker 1: bar Kochba revolt, and now this is saying they were 813 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,839 Speaker 1: the ones that were destroyed in the Parthian War. So 814 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,240 Speaker 1: what either means that there's a chance that the ninth 815 00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,600 Speaker 1: Hispania was destroyed in one or the other. But it's 816 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:45,600 Speaker 1: it's extremely unclear, and I gotta be honest with you, guys. 817 00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,959 Speaker 1: I love this story. I love historical mysteries because there's 818 00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,840 Speaker 1: so much stuff to die through and there's so many 819 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,200 Speaker 1: interesting facts that I come across that I can't go into. 820 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a treasure Trump. But the point 821 00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:02,640 Speaker 1: is is that it's it's a group of thousands of 822 00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:08,239 Speaker 1: men over decades. I don't know which one to pin down. 823 00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,920 Speaker 1: I I can't pick a favorite because I mean, we 824 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:16,719 Speaker 1: just we just talked about sixty years a group that 825 00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,680 Speaker 1: was five thousand men a year over that time. For him, 826 00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:24,080 Speaker 1: that's a lot of people. I personally, I've never been 827 00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,080 Speaker 1: able to settle ones. I don't know about the pair 828 00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,640 Speaker 1: of you. If I tend to think that they probably 829 00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,920 Speaker 1: were cut chopped up pretty bad in England and probably 830 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,640 Speaker 1: were absorbed by different units, different legions. And then because 831 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,040 Speaker 1: I don't see any evidence for them appearing in all 832 00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:43,280 Speaker 1: these miscellaneous different places, Oh well, I know what happened 833 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:47,080 Speaker 1: to them. They were conscripted to assist to the doctor 834 00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:55,080 Speaker 1: in the battle for the And which one of them was, 835 00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:59,120 Speaker 1: you know, the one that's the centurion the star, Yes, 836 00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,280 Speaker 1: oh wow. No, I don't know. I think they probably. 837 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,000 Speaker 1: I think they probably were just they were just destroyed 838 00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,040 Speaker 1: by one of the many. I don't have a favorite 839 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,120 Speaker 1: way they were destroyed. They were the only thing I 840 00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,520 Speaker 1: don't think that they were destroying the early time frame 841 00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,400 Speaker 1: I talked about. I get the feeling that that Hadrian 842 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,040 Speaker 1: is probably the responsible party. But that guy, again, I 843 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:26,319 Speaker 1: couldn't find death tolts, but he he threw them like 844 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,760 Speaker 1: buckets of water at the Britain. And I would suspect 845 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:35,000 Speaker 1: they're not exactly like re stalking their ranks during this time, 846 00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,479 Speaker 1: you know, if they're kind of just being thrown into 847 00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,680 Speaker 1: battle it's not like there's going to be five thousand. 848 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,560 Speaker 1: They're going to be dwindling and even five thousand continually. Yeah, 849 00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:48,759 Speaker 1: it's probably people to that they'll just send news out. Yeah, 850 00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,400 Speaker 1: but it might well be that if they had some 851 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,480 Speaker 1: bad luck and they got chopped up a couple of 852 00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,880 Speaker 1: times really bad, then the word gets out, like the 853 00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,760 Speaker 1: Caledonia War yea, yeah, where they got they almost completely 854 00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,959 Speaker 1: we annihilated. Yeah, yeah, and and and word gets out 855 00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,280 Speaker 1: and and the brass might decide, hey, you know, it's 856 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,840 Speaker 1: these guys have got a reputation for bad luck or 857 00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:15,960 Speaker 1: incompetent fighting. They're always getting like massacred. So it's not 858 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,960 Speaker 1: going to be easy to recruit somebody to this legion. 859 00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,400 Speaker 1: So we're just gonna phase it out whoever is less 860 00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,640 Speaker 1: and you know, left while they retired or moved to 861 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,480 Speaker 1: in many military organizations, so it could have been you know, 862 00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,839 Speaker 1: that's a great idea, is that it's just phased out. 863 00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:35,320 Speaker 1: They went. This group always dies, they're not going to stop. 864 00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,399 Speaker 1: Guys are just bad news bears, man, They're just bad luck. Yeah, 865 00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,880 Speaker 1: and so we're just gonna just phase them out. And yeah, 866 00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,799 Speaker 1: so that's kind of what I think happens awesome. All right, Well, 867 00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,399 Speaker 1: that is all we have on the Nite Hispania. If 868 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,880 Speaker 1: you are a ghost of one of those soldiers, please 869 00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,080 Speaker 1: email us. Have you ever met it? No? No, I'm 870 00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,880 Speaker 1: not even gonna go. 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Please, we'd like here, No, no, 890 00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,080 Speaker 1: I don't want I just want everybody to yeah, exactly, 891 00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,680 Speaker 1: please be patient I And I'm telling people in story. 892 00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:23,920 Speaker 1: We are also letting everybody know that we are on Patreon. 893 00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,640 Speaker 1: That is spelled p A t R e o n 894 00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:32,080 Speaker 1: dot com slash thinking sideways. If you want to support show, 895 00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,520 Speaker 1: that's a way to do it. Go to that address. 896 00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,480 Speaker 1: We've put up videos and all that kind of stuff. 897 00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,320 Speaker 1: Everything explain the whole whole nine yards to you. That 898 00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,720 Speaker 1: having been said, we are at the end of this 899 00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,080 Speaker 1: particular episode. We're going to go ahead and get out 900 00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:52,120 Speaker 1: of here because this studio is disgustingly hot, and um, 901 00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,760 Speaker 1: I really just want to go take a shower, me 902 00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,080 Speaker 1: cold shower. All right, Well, this is Devin saying bye 903 00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,640 Speaker 1: bye for this week away, and this is Joe saying 904 00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:11,160 Speaker 1: tata