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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Buck Brief. Roma deravi our guest for this one. She

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Speaker 1: is the founder and principal of Durravis Strategies and a

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Speaker 1: former Deputy White House Communications Director under former President Trump

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Speaker 1: who may be President Trump again. Roma.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with that.

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Speaker 1: Why I think you and I are going to just agree,

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Speaker 1: so I'll skip the Do you think Nikki Haley should

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Speaker 1: drop out? Because you know she's not gonna win? So yeah,

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Speaker 1: nikkiy Haley should drop out. What's the point of you're

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Speaker 1: staying in at this stage? As you see it, I mean,

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Speaker 1: having looked at this from the strategic calms perspective, Look.

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Speaker 2: There's really no point in her staying in much longer

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Speaker 2: other than the fact that she would look like she's

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Speaker 2: kind of tailing DeSantis had she dropped out immediately after

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Speaker 2: he did, kind of following big. There's footsteps in that one.

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Speaker 2: So maybe that's why she's staying in. But from a

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Speaker 2: political perspective and a career stance on her end, she's

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Speaker 2: already proven herself. She's already taken the debate stage multiple times.

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Speaker 2: You know, she had a very good, strong start on

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Speaker 2: the first debate in Milwaukee. I was there watching in person,

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Speaker 2: and I think the audience liked her that night. So

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Speaker 2: it's not like she really needs to keep going. And frankly,

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Speaker 2: I would go as far to say as her own

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Speaker 2: talking points and her own messaging has shifted to a

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Speaker 2: place that is not going to help her. So I

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Speaker 2: would urge them to be realistic and you know, end

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Speaker 2: on a high note if you could call it one

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Speaker 2: still and bow out, because it really is not going

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Speaker 2: to help her in her career. She doesn't need to

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Speaker 2: stay in for that at this point. And it's only

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Speaker 2: going to hurt the party. It's only going to hurt

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Speaker 2: banding ourselves together.

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Speaker 1: Now, you know the people that are in Trump's immediate

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Speaker 1: orbit well, and I know you talk talk to those

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Speaker 1: folks and have contact them on a regular basis. What

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Speaker 1: can people what should people know? What can people know

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Speaker 1: right now about the team that he's building and has

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Speaker 1: in place around him for this twenty twenty four election cycle,

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Speaker 1: you know, just for people that are wondering, like, how

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Speaker 1: is it going to be the same, How is it

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Speaker 1: going to be different from previous election cycles for Trump?

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Speaker 1: By what insights can you give us on that.

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Speaker 2: He's He really has a great team around him this time.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's diverted back to what I would call

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Speaker 2: the Trump Tower twenty sixteen point of view. And I

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Speaker 2: was there actually in Trump Tower working for him in

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. It was a great group of people. Everyone

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Speaker 2: was extremely focused on one initiative, and that was getting

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump in the White House. Everyone that is with

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Speaker 2: him right now is focused on that. And on top

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Speaker 2: fighting day in and day out the absolute insanity of

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Speaker 2: Democrats dragging him into the courtroom through this entire political

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Speaker 2: timeline of a primary race. So I would say the

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Speaker 2: American people can be very confident in the team that

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Speaker 2: a lot of the original people that were with him

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Speaker 2: day one back in twenty fifteen. So there's a great group.

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Speaker 2: You have a lot of DeSantis defectos that had worked

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Speaker 2: for him on his first race running for governor and

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Speaker 2: know him well. And chose not to ever work for

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Speaker 2: him again. So just take that with a grain of salt.

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Speaker 2: But I think President Trump has a great team with him,

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Speaker 2: a lot of really strong advisors, and it shows. It

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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone can ignore that, except for maybe

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Speaker 2: the mainstream media.

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Speaker 1: You're mentioning, well, at least I think referring to Susie Wilds, right,

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Speaker 1: who had run DeSantis's gubernatorial campaign the first time around,

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Speaker 1: and now is she the chairman of the Trump campaign

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Speaker 1: or she's in a senior role. She's basically running it.

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Speaker 2: Right, she's one of the campaign directors. Yeah, and she

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Speaker 2: was definitely heavily involved with Desantaz and his run for governor.

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Speaker 2: But there's quite a few staffers that were also on

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Speaker 2: have been for quite a few years now. So it's

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Speaker 2: not necessarily a new switch. There's not this jump back

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Speaker 2: have made the decision that they're putting America first, which

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Speaker 2: is what President Trump is doing. You know, for all

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Speaker 2: intentsive purposes, he could have left and said I gave

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Speaker 1: And how's he doing? And I saw him at mar

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Speaker 2: He gave us all.

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Speaker 1: Vanilla milkshakes, which, honestly truth, I hadn't had a vanilla

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Speaker 1: milkshake in years. It was delicious. I'd forgotten. He just

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Speaker 1: what's his what's his mindset?

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Speaker 2: Like he's doing great. He really, like I said, has

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Speaker 2: he's in such great spirits. I mean, the man is

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Speaker 2: the energizer Bunny. I've said that a million times on

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Speaker 2: your show. Uh. He is always the one that everyone

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Speaker 2: I would say he's in great spirits. He's very confident.

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Speaker 2: The campaign is very confident about where they're at right now,

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Speaker 2: And what you see from these legal battles is that

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Speaker 1: Let's start with Joe Biden. I know that we could

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Speaker 1: bad at being president. Like again, you and I got

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Speaker 1: to see that the same way. What worries you about

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Speaker 1: what are the concerns you see, either from a campaign

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden may be awful, but it's not a sure

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Speaker 2: Well, I would say that nothing is ever a sure thing,

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Speaker 2: but I am very, very confident, overwhelmingly confident that this

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Speaker 2: And number two are the lies coming from the mainstream

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Speaker 2: Talking directly to the American people that he does every day,

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Speaker 2: to the American people. He really is his best surrogate.

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Speaker 2: So you and I talked offline about, you know, who

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Speaker 1: So would you would you go back Roman? I know

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Speaker 1: you worked in the first Trump White House on the

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Speaker 1: And you know, Aunty from where if you would tell

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Speaker 1: I ask you, I mean, you're I know you. I

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a surprise. I knew that when they were

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Speaker 2: It was a mean say this Clay. I think it's

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Speaker 1: The other guy. I gotta says, only on the podcast,

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Speaker 2: But this is great. No, I love that. It's all right.

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Speaker 2: I do it. I do it too. I do it too.

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Speaker 3: Uh So no, I will say though it's it's not surprising,

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Speaker 2: Why because in our first term in the White House,

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Speaker 4: That didn't always happen, But since then, those people who

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Speaker 2: And so the second term will be true fighters, true believers,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you for a twenty twenty four

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes we will. There are so many really exciting

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Speaker 2: Uh, it's not just the presidency, it's the grassroots too.

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Speaker 1: And if you become I don't know, White House Press

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Speaker 2: I will give you a tour myself. The first week we're.

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Speaker 1: Ravi strategies. Uh. Great work on Fox. By the way,

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Speaker 1: here and we'll talk soon.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Good to see you, Buck,