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Speaker 3: The superfecta is in root. We've got Ari wasser Grew
Speaker 3: stopping by here momentarily. We want to talk to him
Speaker 3: specifically about twenty twenty three quarterbacks. Yes, notably arch Manning.
Speaker 3: Arch Manning is the name you've if you filed college football.
Speaker 3: Even if you don't follow college football, just follow foot
Speaker 3: ball or sports. You know that arch Manning is a
Speaker 3: thing we will talk about. Arch Manning. Is he worth
Speaker 3: the hype. Yeah, we don't know where he's headed. You know,
Speaker 3: you could throw dart and find any number of like
Speaker 3: half a dozen schools that could be in the running
Speaker 3: for arch Manning. I don't know if we'll get quite
Speaker 3: to that extreme with it, but I'm interested in talking
Speaker 3: to him about that. I know you're interested also in
Speaker 3: talking about just ramifications that we've see from the rapid
Speaker 3: change of college football as of late, things like nil
Speaker 3: transfer portal, how do you manage stuff like that From
Speaker 3: the coaching side. We'll get into all that and much
Speaker 3: much more with our good friend Ari Wassman. Also need
Speaker 3: to talk boat goals with Ari. While we're always sort
Speaker 3: of like our lane, now after the last couple, I
Speaker 3: think we're just going to devolve to a place where
Speaker 3: everybody is kind of saying the same thing about big boat,
Speaker 3: the Adriatic, the Mediterranean, you know, the French Riviera or whatever,
Speaker 3: which which is good, although I mean there's something to
Speaker 3: be said for a lot of different places around the
Speaker 3: world that's not in that place. But that just I
Speaker 3: don't know, it seems pretty attractive to me the twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three quarterback class to go back to that momentarily,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you have any thoughts. I don't
Speaker 3: believe Notre Dame has a quarterback committed at the moment.
Speaker 3: I don't think that Domino has fallen for the Irish yet.
Speaker 3: No for Marcus Freeman. Same goes for Oregon, who very
Speaker 3: much was in the hunt for Nico Yama Lava Yama Lava,
Speaker 3: who ended up at Tennessee with much bally Who considering is.
Speaker 1: That might be the first time I've ever said Bally
Speaker 1: Who on Bally Who.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty happy about it.
Speaker 1: It's a fascinating class. It's a fascinating class because of Anil,
Speaker 1: It's a past fascinating class because of Arch Manning. Whatever
Speaker 1: he is or isn't, obviously, he has the attention of
Speaker 1: a lot of huge schools. We had Malachai Nelson who
Speaker 1: was committed to Oklahoma when Lincoln Riley was there, and
Speaker 1: he flips he's from southern California, he flips to USC
Speaker 1: And so there are a number of dominoes. I think
Speaker 1: there's a quarterback from northern California who's considering a few
Speaker 1: big places that is a five star and also fascinatingly,
Speaker 1: and I want to ask Ari about this quarterbacks committed
Speaker 1: to non offensive powerhouses that have options. That are the
Speaker 1: schools that they're committed to are out of their their
Speaker 1: geographic footprints? And is it a transfer portal thing? Is
Speaker 1: it these schools doing a better job selling themselves?
Speaker 3: Is it a.
Speaker 1: Schools bending over backwards? Is it an nil thing? It's
Speaker 1: it's a fascinating year for quarterbacks. Not the least of
Speaker 1: which reason whyse is that's not English is the number
Speaker 1: of coaches who are on the move, Like what is
Speaker 1: LSU going to be doing? What is you know, Florida
Speaker 1: going to be doing, Oregon Notre Dame, like all of
Speaker 1: these huge places. USC moving forward after this year obviously
Speaker 1: is going to be a huge destination. So I just
Speaker 1: I think Oklahoma has a big one in the fold
Speaker 1: right now if you're looking at the list.
Speaker 3: Is that true?
Speaker 1: Believe they do? Yes, absolutely, Oklahoma is like the number
Speaker 1: five or six Jackson Arnold, Jackson Arnold, there you go.
Speaker 1: Which was the name of the father on the Wonder Years?
Speaker 1: Was he not Jack Arnold, Dan Lauria jack Arnold. I
Speaker 1: think that's true? So, uh, this is great, This is
Speaker 1: this is great for us off season fodder. And I
Speaker 1: suppose as soon as arch Manning makes his decision, I
Speaker 1: assume coming up, dominoes are gonna fall.
Speaker 3: Domino's dominoes will definitely fall. We'll talk about that about
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Speaker 3: Daniel agreat You definitely can, all right, Dan, it is
Speaker 3: that wonderful time of year again. I don't know if
Speaker 3: we brought him on this time last year. Probably at
Speaker 3: some point, no last spread, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know when. The last time he was on
Speaker 1: was during the season at some point.
Speaker 3: Yeah. National college football reporter for The Athletic on his
Speaker 3: Twitter bio, it says stars matter, I hate your favorite team.
Speaker 3: Ari Wasserman, Welcome back to the show, sir. How you
Speaker 3: doing h.
Speaker 2: I wish I was on every week, guys. I'm so
Speaker 2: excited every time I get every single time I get
Speaker 2: that text you have time for SV Yeah, I've got
Speaker 2: it always, And today was actually a pretty busy day
Speaker 2: for me, and I still I made time.
Speaker 3: How would Andy Staples feel hearing that he knows the truth? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, I mean I didn't say anything bad about
Speaker 2: our show. I just love being on this show.
Speaker 3: Wonderful. Well, let's get things started in as light of
Speaker 3: fashion as possible. This has nothing to do with football,
Speaker 3: but you are down in Dallas. They have a big
Speaker 3: lake down there. Dan and I have been talking at
Speaker 3: nauseum lately and I don't really even know how he
Speaker 3: got on this topic.
Speaker 1: Wait, we're doing this then in the onset right to start.
Speaker 3: We're coming in hot, Dan, We're coming in hot. How
Speaker 3: about this specialty? I'm going to introduce the premise of
Speaker 3: boat Goals now, oh okay, and we're gonna give Ari
Speaker 3: an opportunity to think about it and then respond later.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay.
Speaker 3: I think he's probably already thought about it, but yes,
Speaker 3: hashtag boat goals. We're trying to speak it into existence. Ari,
Speaker 3: what are your boat goals? You don't have to answer now,
Speaker 3: just think about this. I'm gonna ask a recruiting question.
Speaker 1: Moment, give it tease.
Speaker 3: But you know, like we're talking about doing some sort
Speaker 3: of big boat adventure in like the bay or the
Speaker 3: harbor outside the Monte Carlo Grand Prix, all sorts of
Speaker 3: crazy stuff like what would you want to do on
Speaker 3: a boat if you had limitless funds, whatever kind of
Speaker 3: boat at your disposal, et cetera, et cetera, that type
Speaker 3: of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you said, I live near a lake and my
Speaker 2: boat's not going on a freaking lake.
Speaker 1: Exactly right. It's a good attitude to have.
Speaker 2: So we'll talk about it all right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oligarc level aspirations.
Speaker 2: If you say money is not an object, you can
Speaker 2: automatically assume that I'm going one hundred percent of the
Speaker 2: way with it. Yeah, of course, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: be one of those people. It's just like, well, I
Speaker 2: want what I want. I'll just take a two person
Speaker 2: sail boat and just go on and pat.
Speaker 3: I'm a low key catamaran type No, Yeah, absolutely not.
Speaker 3: You're in a bezos boat with that kind of money,
Speaker 3: all right, So yeah, R. Wasserman the big name in
Speaker 3: recruiting right now. I mean, we just finished one recruiting cycle,
Speaker 3: we're about to start another. Or the other that we'll
Speaker 3: be talking about more often is well underway. Arch Manning.
Speaker 3: Arch Manning is the name that everybody knows. Everybody is
Speaker 3: waiting with bated breath to see which direction he goes.
Speaker 3: I've heard about a thousand different schools that might be interested. Lately,
Speaker 3: it's been a smaller handful. Let me start with a
Speaker 3: really dumb, potentially obvious question. We know he's a Manning.
Speaker 3: Is he really worth all the hype?
Speaker 2: So that's a kind of a difficult question for me
Speaker 2: to answer because because it's just there's no way to
Speaker 2: separate the hype from his name, so like it's impossible.
Speaker 2: So what I'll say to answer that is that he
Speaker 2: is a five star quarterback. Like if his last name
Speaker 2: was Wasserman, he would be a five star quarterback. Now
Speaker 2: would he be the number one overall player? Would he
Speaker 2: be gaining as much attention as he is right now?
Speaker 2: Probably not, because I think that there is a certain
Speaker 2: mythical thing about him, and having two Hall of Fame
Speaker 2: uncles and his family and his last name that just
Speaker 2: exudes greatness. And the thing that I think about arch
Speaker 2: Manning more than anything is that if you look at
Speaker 2: the schools that are pursuing him outside of ole miss
Speaker 2: I mean, everyone's pursuing him, but the ones that he
Speaker 2: seems to be giving the most attention in return to
Speaker 2: all have signed five star quarterbacks in the recent past.
Speaker 2: I mean even Texas just got Quinn yours last year.
Speaker 2: So it's not like he is a commodity for these
Speaker 2: schools that is irreplaceable. What I think that he is
Speaker 2: from my viewpoint is almost a symbolic figure in the
Speaker 2: sense of if your school is able to get this
Speaker 2: person who doesn't speak to the media, who doesn't tweet,
Speaker 2: who has advisors on his side like Peyton Manning and
Speaker 2: Eli Manning, it proves to the world that your program
Speaker 2: is the most fitting for a person of his stature,
Speaker 2: which I think matters to people. So the thing that
Speaker 2: recruiting has gotten to the point that it is is
Speaker 2: because people like competing when there are no games, and
Speaker 2: it's like what recruit could ever match the magnitude of
Speaker 2: what that commitment would mean. So if he goes to Georgia,
Speaker 2: you know, a team that has brought vandergriff on the
Speaker 2: roster already, it's not like Georgia is in well maybe
Speaker 2: you know, you know help. My take is on walk
Speaker 2: on quarterbacks who just won the national championship. But you know,
Speaker 2: in order to sustain that level of success at some
Speaker 2: point they're going to have to have an NFL quarterback
Speaker 2: playing there. Do they absolutely need arch Manning? No? Does
Speaker 2: Alabama absolutely need arch Manning when they've got the best
Speaker 2: player in college football right now playing the quarterback was No,
Speaker 2: all these teams won't cease to exist. But if he
Speaker 2: goes to Georgia or Texas or Alabama, what it means
Speaker 2: for that program has a destination for other players to
Speaker 2: go to. It's kind of like picking royalty. So that
Speaker 2: to me is the height more so than his ability,
Speaker 2: because when you look at quarterbacks in the day, in
Speaker 2: this day and age, and my colleague Antonio Morales wrote
Speaker 2: a really good story about this, the amount of money
Speaker 2: people are spending high school parents on quarterback coaches and
Speaker 2: weightlifting regimen and diet and basically making these show these
Speaker 2: soldiers of players out of their teenagers in order to
Speaker 2: get a scholarship. I mean a lot of times, it's
Speaker 2: actually kind of funny to me because financially they're paying
Speaker 2: more than the education than in training that it is
Speaker 2: to to just you know, you know, do it the
Speaker 2: right way or the wrong there's no right or wrong way.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying the amount of money people are sinking
Speaker 2: in outweighs how much they would just pay to send
Speaker 2: their kid to school. But the quarterbacks in general, and
Speaker 2: I've been to the Elite eleven I'm going this year,
Speaker 2: I went last year. Those guys on that field are
Speaker 2: all very very very good. In a lot of time,
Speaker 2: is very indistinguishable from one another, and I think whether
Speaker 2: or not that they are successful in college is based
Speaker 2: on a lot of other things, not just pure talent,
Speaker 2: but fit, attitude, in tangibles, all the things that you
Speaker 2: know coaches like to say on the podium. So is
Speaker 2: he worth the hype? I don't know if it's an
Speaker 2: easy thing to answer, because I think from a talent standpoint,
Speaker 2: he's worth the hype because he's really good. But I
Speaker 2: think that the hype in this case is more valuable
Speaker 2: as it pertains to the symbolic nature of landing him
Speaker 2: than it is for what he's actually going to add
Speaker 2: athletically to a program.
Speaker 3: I have not heard that take before Ari. That is
Speaker 3: maybe I'm kind of just getting caught up with the
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three cycle on the fly here, But it's
Speaker 3: definitely an interesting perspective because so much of the recruiting game,
Speaker 3: as you would know better than Dan and I, is
Speaker 3: about reputation. It is about what are we selling. What
Speaker 3: is the marketing pitch for this program? Obviously putting guys
Speaker 3: in the NFL is one thing, but having that sort
Speaker 3: of mystique, having that are around the program that you
Speaker 3: can track the best.
Speaker 2: What does that say about your school if you get
Speaker 2: arch Manning to future quarterbacks? Yeah, I think the value
Speaker 2: of that is probably more important than him winning games.
Speaker 2: And I think that sometimes, like I am a little
Speaker 2: bit more on the recruiting symbolism of everything you know
Speaker 2: and what it means for program rankings and stature. But
Speaker 2: you know, I don't doubt that arch Manning is going
Speaker 2: to be a very good college football player. But I
Speaker 2: also don't doubt that Dante mor is going to be
Speaker 2: a very good college football player. And I don't know
Speaker 2: if the difference between those two athletically is as stark
Speaker 2: as their reputations, because everybody's heart of arch Manning. Maybe
Speaker 2: Notre Dame fans and other fans in the in the
Speaker 2: Midwest and recruiting notts to know who Dante Moor is,
Speaker 2: but everybody knows who arch Manning is. So and it's
Speaker 2: like funny because last year at the Elite eleven I
Speaker 2: wrote a story because Quinn Viewers was at the time
Speaker 2: the highest rated prospect of all time, and you go
Speaker 2: when you put them on the field with a bunch
Speaker 2: of other five star quarterbacks who are doing the same
Speaker 2: drills and doing all the you know, same work outs,
Speaker 2: and there isn't some intangible gap between Quinn yours talent
Speaker 2: and everybody else on that field. So I think when
Speaker 2: you start getting to the most elite, elite players at
Speaker 2: that position, they're very closely no capable. So is arch
Speaker 2: Manning standing above the rest of the quarterbacks and doing
Speaker 2: something that those guys can't do? I don't think so.
Speaker 2: But I think that his background, his understanding of the lifestyle,
Speaker 2: what it takes, you know, all the things that you
Speaker 2: get from being in that family. It was probably going
Speaker 2: to give him a leg up on understanding what you know,
Speaker 2: what you have to put in. But I don't know
Speaker 2: that I would sit here and say with a straight
Speaker 2: face that Arch Manning is the greatest prospect I've ever
Speaker 2: seen in my entire life, because I just got done
Speaker 2: watching quin you weres throw a football that hummed in
Speaker 2: the air, you know, six months ago, and who's to
Speaker 2: say who's better? And you know, a lot of times
Speaker 2: that's why people say recruiting is anc inexact science, and
Speaker 2: to a certain extent, that's kind of the reason for it.
Speaker 1: And there's also the ripples, right, there's the ripples, not
Speaker 1: just of the QB dominoes that fall. Right, if Arch
Speaker 1: Manning decides to go to Georgia, then Alabama knows where it's,
Speaker 1: Texas knows where it's going, they have their backup plans
Speaker 1: in place, and more domino's fall. So everybody's sort of
Speaker 1: waiting for Arch And then you have the receivers who
Speaker 1: are say want to I want to catch balls from
Speaker 1: Arch Manning, and I want to go to that school
Speaker 1: now I want to you know, the offensive lineman who
Speaker 1: say they're building something at this school. The symbolic nature
Speaker 1: of arch Manning committing there. And I'm glad you brought
Speaker 1: up quin Yours because the Ohio State quarterback room, of
Speaker 1: which you are especially familiar, was fascinating last year. Everybody
Speaker 1: knew it was not going to last, especially as CJ.
Speaker 1: Stroud became more and more successful. But when you mentioned that,
Speaker 1: you know, Georgia has a five star waiting obviously Alabama.
Speaker 1: I think it's what Ty Simpson is in Tuscaloosa. All
Speaker 1: of these top, top level schools are not skipping five
Speaker 1: star quarterback class prospects. What is it about Ohio State
Speaker 1: right now? What was that room like last year? Why
Speaker 1: did Quinn youers go there for a year if that
Speaker 1: was not going to be a place that really looked
Speaker 1: like it was going to be a long term solution
Speaker 1: for him with CJ. Stroud in front of him. What
Speaker 1: is it like managing those rooms now with every cycle,
Speaker 1: including somebody that your school will will go after in
Speaker 1: a big way.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know exactly what quin Yours main motivation was.
Speaker 2: The idea was that he went there to go get
Speaker 2: paid for an nil deal, and people like to say
Speaker 2: that he signed a one million dollar contract. I would
Speaker 2: eat my hat if he actually earned a million dollars, right.
Speaker 2: I think that that's the most frustrating thing about NIL
Speaker 2: is that it's not public information. So anybody can say
Speaker 2: someone's making something, but you can't you can't verify it.
Speaker 2: So my idea, you know, at the time, was that
Speaker 2: he's going to go to Ohio State a year early,
Speaker 2: make whatever money he can. From an NIL standpoint, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe not start right away, because how could you the
Speaker 2: guy arrived on campus three weeks before the season started,
Speaker 2: you know, give it the full season, and then come
Speaker 2: back next year, which would be coming into this year,
Speaker 2: sit behind Stroud or whoever won the job again, and
Speaker 2: then as a red shirt sophomore, which really would have
Speaker 2: been his red shirt freshman year if you take into
Speaker 2: account that he was already supposed to be in high
Speaker 2: school for one of those years, step in and try
Speaker 2: to compete for a starting job. So like to me,
Speaker 2: when he committed and enrolled early, it made sense. But
Speaker 2: if his anticipation was I'm going to go to Ohio
Speaker 2: State and in two and a half weeks I'm going
Speaker 2: to be starting over another top one hundred player who's
Speaker 2: been in the program for a year, that's borderline insanity.
Speaker 2: And the thing that's really really tough about, you know,
Speaker 2: quarterbacks in general, because of the money that's been sunk
Speaker 2: into these training programs, because of the elital levens and
Speaker 2: the openings and the camps that these kids go to.
Speaker 2: There's a return on an investment that these parents and
Speaker 2: these families are hoping to receive, and they don't want
Speaker 2: to wait as long as you used to, you know,
Speaker 2: back in two thousand and five, which is like the
Speaker 2: golden era of when I was consuming the football. They're
Speaker 2: the sport of football. As a fan, there was a
Speaker 2: certain level of honor to going to a program and
Speaker 2: sitting for two or three years, learning the system, being
Speaker 2: a good teammate, becoming a leader, and and stepping into
Speaker 2: that role when you've earned it. Those days are over.
Speaker 2: If kids aren't playing their freshman year or at the
Speaker 2: earliest or you know, by the latest their sophomore year,
Speaker 2: they're going to be gone. So when you say, how
Speaker 2: do you manage that room, and my opinion, there is
Speaker 2: no managing it. The idea is you pick the best
Speaker 2: player on your team to play the quarterback position in
Speaker 2: that given year, and if people leave as a result
Speaker 2: of it. There's always a five star quarterback or another
Speaker 2: quarterback coming in through the rankings next year, and there's
Speaker 2: no way to properly appease every single person on your roster.
Speaker 2: In the world of the transfer portal, people can leave freely.
Speaker 2: And there are a lot of quarterbacks that play on
Speaker 2: Alabama's rosters and the Clemsons and the Ohio States that
Speaker 2: could go compete and maybe start at eighty five percent
Speaker 2: of the other schools in the Power five that can
Speaker 2: just go do that now, So it's going to be
Speaker 2: a nightmare for people in trying to I mean, I
Speaker 2: remember when I was covering Ohio State. Ohio State had
Speaker 2: Braxton Miller, j T Barrett, Cardele Jones, and who am
Speaker 2: I forgetting there's one other one that was on the
Speaker 2: roster all at the same time. Those days don't exist anymore,
Speaker 2: and that's fine. So but the idea now.
Speaker 1: Is, I mean one of them switch positions because of Braxtlly, Yes.
Speaker 2: And in my opinion was the best quarterback out of
Speaker 2: all of them for at the college level. So you know,
Speaker 2: I think Joe Burrow was the other one I forget,
Speaker 2: forgive me.
Speaker 1: For you, Yeah, he was. He lost out to Dwayne Haskins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So, I mean, they've had a lot of really,
Speaker 2: really good quarterbacks at that school, and sure, you know
Speaker 2: some have left and won the Heisman and are now
Speaker 2: the best player, are one of the best players in
Speaker 2: the NFL, and you know some other guys have been
Speaker 2: Heisman finalists. And what you do is you you piece
Speaker 2: mail together what you think it's going to be. And
Speaker 2: it's funny because we used to play a game, my coworker,
Speaker 2: Bill Anders and I have who's going to be the
Speaker 2: starting quarterback at this program in four years? And if
Speaker 2: you play that game at any place, you're going to
Speaker 2: be wrong ninety percent of the time. So it's just
Speaker 2: kind of like the new world of the game. And
Speaker 2: the sooner that these kids are ready to play, and
Speaker 2: the sooner you can get them on the field, that's
Speaker 2: the best shot you have at having a bona fide
Speaker 2: quarterback for two or three years that you can build
Speaker 2: a system around. But depth and patience and leadership and
Speaker 2: learning the playbook and all those things that would make
Speaker 2: our dads proud while they sip whiskey and just it's
Speaker 2: not it's not there anymore.
Speaker 1: One of the things that's fascinating, and maybe this has
Speaker 1: become more commonplace just with how easy it currently is
Speaker 1: to move around if you're not satisfied in a place,
Speaker 1: if it's not a fit a year or two after
Speaker 1: you get there. Is the geographic footprints of quarterbacks right now.
Speaker 1: It's not just like a California kid heading to Alabama.
Speaker 1: Like I believe Iowa has a blue chip quarterback coming
Speaker 1: in from New Jersey. I want to say, Purdue has
Speaker 1: one coming in from Louisiana, Utah has one coming in
Speaker 1: from Mississippi. Do you think we're seeing And I don't
Speaker 1: have the data, but do you think we're seeing more guys,
Speaker 1: especially who are more and more coveted though those four
Speaker 1: and five star guys taking more geographic and or system chances,
Speaker 1: because like, why would a top flight quarterback go to
Speaker 1: Iowa after we saw from the Hawkeyes last year? Or
Speaker 1: even the inconsistency of Louisville. I think it's Pierce Clarkson
Speaker 1: from California heading to Louisville? Like are we seeing more
Speaker 1: dice rolls because of the ease of movement? Do you
Speaker 1: think I do have.
Speaker 2: The data to a certain extent, So five or six
Speaker 2: years ago, I wrote a story for the Cleveland Plain
Speaker 2: Dealer and the headline was it was a series about quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: and it was called QB Quest. And basically what I
Speaker 2: did was I took every top one hundred player of
Speaker 2: during a ten year period at every position, and I
Speaker 2: added up where they were from in the mileage to
Speaker 2: where they went to school. In quarterback, compared to linebacker, cornerback,
Speaker 2: offensive line, tight end, receiver tended to stay closer to
Speaker 2: home at a pretty dramatic rate. Interesting. There's something about
Speaker 2: quarterbacks being the hometown savior. There's something there. I don't
Speaker 2: know what it is. There's theories about, you know, being
Speaker 2: loyal to home or being the face of the program,
Speaker 2: and then being more appealing being closer to where you are.
Speaker 1: Being more familiar with the conference.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: Yes, Whereas a tight end or a linebacker might not
Speaker 2: care as much as a quarterback because there's many of
Speaker 2: them on the roster and multiple players of those positions
Speaker 2: play at the same time. But I thought it was
Speaker 2: an interesting finding and I haven't done it again since,
Speaker 2: but it'd be very interesting now to do that again,
Speaker 2: right and compare it to the findings of five years ago.
Speaker 2: It was a lot of Google Maps. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of adding and averaging, but it was interesting, and now
Speaker 2: I think that the entire nature of the sport has changed,
Speaker 2: like national recruiting in general is so prominent, even at
Speaker 2: places that didn't typically do it that way. You know,
Speaker 2: I mean, I guarantee you right now, without even looking,
Speaker 2: if you went in Iowa's class, I bet you they've
Speaker 2: signed more out of state prospects in the last three
Speaker 2: years in the previous five combined, just based on the
Speaker 2: way that the trend is. So, you know, are people
Speaker 2: taking more chances. Sure, if I were a five star
Speaker 2: quarterback or any quarterback and I'd got an offer from
Speaker 2: a school that in the past I would have been
Speaker 2: dissuaded to go to because I was afraid I wouldn't
Speaker 2: get on the field, why not go there? Be a
Speaker 2: part of the experience for a year, you know, use
Speaker 2: the facilities, get coached by better assistance, and if it
Speaker 2: doesn't work out, you've got nothing to do because you
Speaker 2: can go back to the place that you would have
Speaker 2: gone to in one off season to be the start
Speaker 2: of the following. So I don't think that the you know,
Speaker 2: the the gravity of that decision isn't the same anymore
Speaker 2: because of the ease of movement, which then makes people
Speaker 2: looser and more willing to take risks. While in that
Speaker 2: scenario like Maryland, for instance, I think has signed three
Speaker 2: top fifty players in the last week of the year
Speaker 2: or the last week of the signing period the last years,
Speaker 2: and all three of those guys, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 2: have already entered the portal. Right, And it's like that,
Speaker 2: But that makes it hard on places like Maryland because
Speaker 2: you know, getting the player is the hard part, but
Speaker 2: keeping them is the harder part. So if guys are
Speaker 2: going to go and leave it, I think that as
Speaker 2: things continue on this way, the actual meaning of the
Speaker 2: final recruiting rankings is diminishing year by year, which is
Speaker 2: scary for my job security. But it's true. And what
Speaker 2: you said is one hundred percent accurate. Why not take
Speaker 2: a stab at it because worst case scenario it is
Speaker 2: transfer home next year.
Speaker 1: Right, fair enough. And one of the things you brought
Speaker 1: up the name I think with Dante Moore, right, if
Speaker 1: five star quarterback, I want to say he's in the
Speaker 1: Detroit area.
Speaker 2: He is Martin Luther King High School.
Speaker 1: Okay, so he's in that midwestern big ten footprint, a
Speaker 1: footprint in which basically no blue chip quarterbacks go on
Speaker 1: to succeed. I don't know why that is. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've looked into that. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's just a crazy coincidence. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: means in the NFL or succeed on the field on
Speaker 1: the field in college, like if you look at the
Speaker 1: past I don't know, decade or so, like, uh, there
Speaker 1: have been Like I'm obviously Terrell Prior succeeded from Pennsylvania
Speaker 1: from he's from Western PA, right, he's from the greater
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh area. But outside of there there may be a
Speaker 1: couple of exceptions. But if you look at like the
Speaker 1: four and five star quarterbacks from the Midwest, by and law.
Speaker 2: You mean from where they're from in high school, not
Speaker 2: where you're playing college. Yes, Oh that's interorrect. I didn't
Speaker 2: know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that A lot of them, an overwhelming number
Speaker 1: of them are not all conference types. Are not four
Speaker 1: year starters winning ten games. Like it's just it's not
Speaker 1: a place to come from and be a very successful
Speaker 1: college quarterback. Is there a place where if you could choose,
Speaker 1: if you were running a generic school and you were saying,
Speaker 1: you give me ten five star quarterbacks from around the country.
Speaker 1: This is the location from which I'm trusting him the
Speaker 1: most to be a successful college quarterback.
Speaker 2: It's so funny that you just said that, Dan, because
Speaker 2: I never really put that together. I just went and
Speaker 2: looked at just like the twenty eighteen class randomly, yep,
Speaker 2: and the top fourteen or fifth, okay, the top ten.
Speaker 2: There's only one player from the Midwest who is at
Speaker 2: the quarterback position, and he's number ten. So everybody else
Speaker 2: is from somewhere else, and that's Phil Drikovich. So and
Speaker 2: you know, whether he was successful or not, I guess
Speaker 2: is still to be seen. But that is an interesting dynamic.
Speaker 2: So I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: My question is, basically, is there a part of the
Speaker 1: country that you would most trust a quarterback being from
Speaker 1: like that he is prepared to that, he has had
Speaker 1: the training to that he has faced the competition to
Speaker 1: ultimately give himself the best chance to succeed in college.
Speaker 2: Atlanta, Okay. I think Atlanta is a pretty good place
Speaker 2: to start because Justin Field and Trevor Lawrence were from Atlanta.
Speaker 2: They've got a high quality of football there. They take
Speaker 2: it very seriously down there. It's a very highly concentrated
Speaker 2: area for recruiting, so the standard is higher. I think.
Speaker 2: I think that the more programs that are in a
Speaker 2: school hallway makes that school want to be better in
Speaker 2: all regards. So I think the elevated nature of Georgia
Speaker 2: football has certainly been been the case, but it would
Speaker 2: be very interesting study. Again, don't have the data. We
Speaker 2: should just rename the show. Don't have the data, but
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: That No, I just want theories, that's all theory.
Speaker 2: Atlanta is the is the place that really stuck out
Speaker 2: to me because like even some of the California kids,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of really good California kids that come up.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, like unless I'm forgetting somebody obvious
Speaker 2: and I look like a moron, which is a daily
Speaker 2: occurrence in my life. Like like JT. Daniels and Tyler Buckner.
Speaker 2: I know he's very young, maybe he'll be a star
Speaker 2: one day, but a lot of the guys that have
Speaker 2: come from California in the recent past, Tanner McKee at
Speaker 2: Stanford or maybe it's still to you know, Matt.
Speaker 1: Tyler Buckner is actually from Metro Chicago area but transferred
Speaker 1: there early in high school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Adrian Martinez. I guess it's from Fresnoe.
Speaker 2: Just trying to think like and also the one thing
Speaker 2: that you know, you mention it. I'd be remiss if
Speaker 2: I didn't mention. And Andy Staples went out to Arizona,
Speaker 2: did a great a great story of hers. But Arizona
Speaker 2: has had a lot of very good quarterbacks come out, yeah,
Speaker 2: in the last four or five years, and how somehow
Speaker 2: has become one of the states that has produced though. So,
Speaker 2: but I think that if you were talking about city
Speaker 2: of where you could feel good about the player you're getting,
Speaker 2: regardless of what position, but especially a quarterback, I think
Speaker 2: Atlanta would be a really good place to start.
Speaker 3: Now with the dawn of things like nil, do you
Speaker 3: see any kind of like shift in the way that
Speaker 3: some of these top flight recruits go about their business
Speaker 3: when it comes to picking a school. Has it changed
Speaker 3: the way that you cover it, the way that you
Speaker 3: project forward, you know how things are going to shake
Speaker 3: out at the end of a recruiting cycle.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm happy that you asked that, because it's like
Speaker 2: the elephant in the room. You know, you can't talk
Speaker 2: about quarterback recruiting without discussing this, especially considering the fact
Speaker 2: the Athletic just posted a story about an unnamed recruit
Speaker 2: that everybody knows who it is. It took eight million
Speaker 2: dollars over a four year period, And I got into
Speaker 2: an argument with a coworker the other day that said,
Speaker 2: you know, I was the number one person that would say,
Speaker 2: if you pick a school because of nil and you're
Speaker 2: going to make that decision for fifty thousand bucks, you're
Speaker 2: a moron and you're short sighted, and you're all the
Speaker 2: way that money works. But if somebody offered me eight
Speaker 2: million dollars over four years, I think that that is
Speaker 2: enough money to make where I'm going. A secondary concern,
Speaker 2: like if I were a five star quarterback and somebody
Speaker 2: wanted to pay me eight million dollars over the course
Speaker 2: of a four year period to go to Miami of Ohio,
Speaker 2: I think I would consider that because what's the main
Speaker 2: goal for a quarterback. Is it to be famous and
Speaker 2: to be the starting quarterback of USC and get ladies,
Speaker 2: or is it to get wealth long term wealth that
Speaker 2: can set up your family for a long period of time.
Speaker 2: And fifty grand or one hundred thousand or maybe even
Speaker 2: three hundred thousand isn't enough to change your life forever.
Speaker 2: But if you start getting into numbers where like eight
Speaker 2: million dollars, where you have already successfully achieved financial security,
Speaker 2: which is the main goal for everybody at age eighteen
Speaker 2: before you even get out of the blocks, then that
Speaker 2: kind of changes your mind a little bit. Now the
Speaker 2: question isn't how much are you getting paid? The question
Speaker 2: probably is what's the difference between School B and School A.
Speaker 2: But you know, now, if if Arizona comes up with
Speaker 2: a collective that says, hey, you know what, We're going
Speaker 2: to pay somebody eight million dollars and Alabama's paying two,
Speaker 2: why wouldn't you go to Arizona and you still could
Speaker 2: get drafted there. So the idea of the collectives and
Speaker 2: how much money is at stake here, I think is
Speaker 2: a very interesting dynamic because you know, people talk about
Speaker 2: leveling the playing field, but how does anil play a
Speaker 2: factor into this? Well, if some school that is in
Speaker 2: the Power five wants to pay somebody eight million dollars
Speaker 2: just to go there and play, and that's guaranteed money
Speaker 2: regardless of whether you're injured or not, you won the game,
Speaker 2: you've already ascended to the level of football where you've
Speaker 2: achieved insurmountable wealth, you know, within reason, from the game
Speaker 2: of football, and you haven't even started college yet. So
Speaker 2: to me, how is that going to change it? If
Speaker 2: this becomes normal in the big schools like Ohio State, Alabama,
Speaker 2: Georgia and stuff, aren't going to back it up the
Speaker 2: same way that a place like Tennessee might or a
Speaker 2: place you know, you know in theory Tennessee because we
Speaker 2: don't know who it is, you know, it changes things.
Speaker 2: So the question to me, and I guess I could
Speaker 2: ask this back to you guys, is how much is
Speaker 2: going to a place that isn't typically known for football
Speaker 2: or sorry, how much is going to a place that's
Speaker 2: known as a football powerhouse worth to you in dollars
Speaker 2: when somebody that might not be a football school is
Speaker 2: offering you more money. Also, while taking into account that
Speaker 2: the best players in the NFL at the quarterback position
Speaker 2: have gone to a random collection of schools that aren't
Speaker 2: you know, I know that Alabama recently has Jalen Hurts
Speaker 2: and Tua and but like I mean, think about who
Speaker 2: are the best player at the quarterback position in the
Speaker 2: NFL and You've got a bunch of Texas Tech and
Speaker 2: cal in there, you know, and it's like, these aren't
Speaker 2: schools that are are known for that. So like to me, like,
Speaker 2: if you start talking about that type of money, how
Speaker 2: much is going to Alabama worth and how much money
Speaker 2: is at stake for you for you to decide? Well,
Speaker 2: you know what, where I end up is a secondary
Speaker 2: concern to the money.
Speaker 1: Go to Missoo and be Chase Daniels and make three
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars a throw? How about that?
Speaker 2: And you know what's funny about Chase Daniel is a
Speaker 2: good buddy of mine here in Texas that I've met,
Speaker 2: played with Chase Daniel at Missoo. And you know Missoo
Speaker 2: isn't the beacon of quarterback recruiting. Chase Daniel's got a
Speaker 2: hell of a life. And if somebody wants to pay
Speaker 2: that man eight if pay me to be eight eight
Speaker 2: million dollars to go to Missoo and maybe be like
Speaker 2: Chase Daniel, who was a really good college quarterback and yeah,
Speaker 2: has been good enough to stick around in the NFL
Speaker 2: long enough to fool people to pay him four million
Speaker 2: dollars for a year, not to do anything. You know,
Speaker 2: that is a hell of a deal. And to me,
Speaker 2: it's like if MISSOO is paying me eight mil and
Speaker 2: Alabama's paying me too, is the experience of playing at
Speaker 2: Alabama under Sabment in the development that they've shown that
Speaker 2: they can do worth the six million dollars to you.
Speaker 3: The other thing is this, people forget how few NFL
Speaker 3: quarterbacks are actually any good. I know, all right, we've
Speaker 3: got thirty two teams. How many are actually good eight?
Speaker 2: How many NFL teams are in a situation that are
Speaker 2: like I don't have a quarterback and I can't find.
Speaker 3: It, like seventy five percent of them? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: everybody else is on the verge of being traded or
Speaker 3: dropped or cut, and so you know, there's no way
Speaker 3: to answer the question. Obviously, the cousins is.
Speaker 2: Like the richest guy at the port, one of the
Speaker 2: richest guys in the world playing quarterback, and was he
Speaker 2: like a marginal player?
Speaker 3: He may have vocals that we need to talk to
Speaker 3: him about. With lake min A Tonka, I don't know,
Speaker 3: but like it's impossible to answer. We these kids are
Speaker 3: coming at this from a completely different perspective. We don't
Speaker 3: know what their situation is at home, if they need
Speaker 3: the support, if their family needs a support, like you
Speaker 3: get people from all walks of life that level of
Speaker 3: wealth though eight million dollars even like one million dollars,
Speaker 3: I mean sure. My question is is it possibly going
Speaker 3: to be the norm? You know, is that something that
Speaker 3: we could see five years from now being something that
Speaker 3: all the schools do because that's a lot of money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't know if it's going to be
Speaker 2: in a world where Tennessee is paying eight and Alabama
Speaker 2: can't mustard up to Like I'm sure we'll get to
Speaker 2: a point where everybody's offering the same but as it
Speaker 2: pertains to right now. And I'm sorry to cutting you off.
Speaker 1: The in but like, no, you're good.
Speaker 2: How much is going to Alabama worth?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: No, it's totally true because if you go to Alabama,
Speaker 1: you will be coached by presumably some of the best coaches.
Speaker 1: You'll be playing behind one of the what five best
Speaker 1: offensive lines annually? At Alabama, You'll be throwing to one
Speaker 1: of the three best groups of receivers and handing the
Speaker 1: ball to one of the four best groups of running backs,
Speaker 1: and you won't play until you are ready to be
Speaker 1: a winning quarterback. You are not going to be thrust
Speaker 1: into action too early. Sometimes it'll be as a freshman,
Speaker 1: sometimes you'll be Mac Jones. And it's just you have
Speaker 1: a certain amount of trust that playing for Nick Saban
Speaker 1: will put you in a better position long term than
Speaker 1: playing for you know, Jedfish if Arizona was your example,
Speaker 1: because there is an unknown quality to what Arizona's offensive
Speaker 1: line is going to look like, with their offensive coordinators,
Speaker 1: what their offensive systems are going to look like. And
Speaker 1: so I don't begrudge anybody for taking the money because
Speaker 1: it is a weird, dangerous world out there financially, and
Speaker 1: so if you don't come from a place with a
Speaker 1: lot of money and a lot of opportunity, and that
Speaker 1: is life and a life changing amount of money, you
Speaker 1: gotta take it. But like you wrote a piece today
Speaker 1: or this week about arch Manning, it is a at
Speaker 1: this point, Arch Manning is fortunate to be able to
Speaker 1: choose the best fit for him in an nil universe.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 1: It is a privilege that he can say I'm going
Speaker 1: to go to the place where I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: going to develop the best, where I fit in best
Speaker 1: with a coaching staff, with a community, with a campus
Speaker 1: with academics whatever, that's it's a weird thing. That's gonna
Speaker 1: not that Tennessee isn't that place. It is a very
Speaker 1: quarterback friendly looking place. They also might receive sanctions in
Speaker 1: a year, who knows. But I just am never going
Speaker 1: to begrudge anybody for looking at the finances as a
Speaker 1: big deal in choosing a school. But in terms of
Speaker 1: long term, you can't just assume coaches are going to
Speaker 1: be around forever. Receivers are going to be around forever.
Speaker 1: But when you are comparing Tennessee to Alabama or Arizona Alabama,
Speaker 1: you know that on the margins, Alabama is going to
Speaker 1: have every advance, give you every advantage to succeed long term.
Speaker 1: But there's just one guy on the field, there's just
Speaker 1: one spot.
Speaker 2: Jones went to Mizoo. He might not be correct the
Speaker 2: cork Jones. Yeah, you have to you know understand that
Speaker 2: going to Alabama put you in the best scenario to
Speaker 2: not only succeed on the field and to win national
Speaker 2: championships and you know, get drafted, but also just like
Speaker 2: your personal development in the angevity of the game.
Speaker 1: Benefit of the doubt, benefit of the doubt as well. Right,
Speaker 1: like benefit of easier to get overdrafted coming from Ohio State, Right,
Speaker 1: it's easier to get overdrafted coming from Washington, Georgia or wherever.
Speaker 1: And I mean, look, Christian uh what uh? Hackenberg Penn
Speaker 1: State five star, So we're always going to look at him,
Speaker 1: five star former quarterback, major place, has a promising freshman
Speaker 1: year overdrafted given way too many chances, given the actual
Speaker 1: proven success. That's the difference in going to a major
Speaker 1: place that somebody's gonna say, but so and so school
Speaker 1: liked him, So there's something there, there's a spark there,
Speaker 1: that's that's what you can't get necessarily at Arizona or
Speaker 1: Cincinnati or UCF or.
Speaker 2: Is that no more place than that might be?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably in the long term getting getting multiple chances
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Jase Daniel says, likely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I get. But this one also protects you
Speaker 2: from if you blow your knee out. It's totally true,
Speaker 2: you know, so that that also, you know that helps.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I grew up in a middle class family.
Speaker 2: I didn't want for anything. We had food on the table.
Speaker 2: I've got a very sure less background, and I would
Speaker 2: take the money in a second. Yeah, it's just like
Speaker 2: right now, if somebody said, I Ari, I'll give you
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars to go do something
Speaker 2: else that you don't want to do, I'd be like,
Speaker 2: no way, right. But if somebody who was like, I'll
Speaker 2: give you eight million dollars, be like, where's the shovel?
Speaker 2: Bro Like you know what I mean, Like that's the
Speaker 2: that's the way.
Speaker 3: That it is, and got daycare bills.
Speaker 2: Yeah, daycare bills. And by the way, holy, I don't
Speaker 2: know if I'm allowed to I don't know if I'm
Speaker 2: allowed to cuss on this, but my god, my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that falls into your your theory that as soon
Speaker 1: as you become more domesticated home ownership, children, wife, everything,
Speaker 1: everything costs one thousand dollars minimum. Everything is a thousand
Speaker 1: dollars minimum. I like that theory.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it does seem like no matter what it is,
Speaker 2: it is a thousand bucks. But I actually got I
Speaker 2: saw those meme on Instagram, which might not be true,
Speaker 2: but I sent it to a friend because I was
Speaker 2: arguing with him and I don't want to veer off
Speaker 2: the quarterback. No, you're too much. But the Basically, it's
Speaker 2: a breakdown or a budget breakdown of a couple that
Speaker 2: makes cumulatively five hundred grand as a couple per year,
Speaker 2: So five hundred thousand dollars gross salary, you got an
Speaker 2: eighteen thousand dollars four away contribution from both partners. Then
Speaker 2: the salary after the four to one contribution goes down
Speaker 2: to four hundred and sixty four thousand. Tax rate takes
Speaker 2: out one hundred and eighty five thousand right off the top.
Speaker 2: You're at two hundred and seventy eight thousand dollars expenses
Speaker 2: two childcare for two kids is forty two grand. Food
Speaker 2: for the four twenty five thousand bucks for the year,
Speaker 2: mortgage sixty thousand dollars, property tax is twenty grand, property
Speaker 2: insurance five thousand. You go down the list gas, car insurance,
Speaker 2: life insurance, clothes, and two vacations a year. You know
Speaker 2: it's a nice lifestyle because if you're paying five grand
Speaker 2: a month for your mortgage, you got a nice house.
Speaker 2: But it's all said and done, you're at seventy three
Speaker 2: hundred dollars of excess at the end of the year,
Speaker 2: and that doesn't even account for miscellaneous, which could mean
Speaker 2: something came up like your roof is linking, or your
Speaker 2: car exploded or all the other mindless bull craft that
Speaker 2: we spend money on from an unexpected place. And it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: like things that you spend money on that you're like,
Speaker 2: why am I spending money on this? Yeah, Like my
Speaker 2: windows cracked, So I'm just going to spend two thousand
Speaker 2: dollars to fix a window in my house that does
Speaker 2: the same thing that it should have already done. And
Speaker 2: it's just a waste of money. Five hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 2: is a lot of money for two people on an
Speaker 2: annual basis. That's five million dollars over a ten year period.
Speaker 2: And if you break read down that breakdown, they're actually
Speaker 2: not that affluent.
Speaker 1: Go take Tommy Haslum's money. That's the lesson here. Don't
Speaker 1: look back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also if you put you put it into
Speaker 2: the market in your patient, maybe take a mill, you know,
Speaker 2: get your Jordan's, get your Rolex, do what you want
Speaker 2: to do with the miller, take the seven, you know,
Speaker 2: throw it togion, Yeah, adding yeah, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm no stranger to irrational splurges. But yeah, it's
Speaker 2: just kind of is a. It's a nice stark reminder
Speaker 2: that one hundred thousand dollars is not that much money anymore.
Speaker 1: It goes quickly.
Speaker 2: I just don't know, And like I feel blessed because,
Speaker 2: you know, we're in a pretty good position, you know, financially,
Speaker 2: with some of the savings that we've had and some
Speaker 2: of the fortunate things that have happened in our lives.
Speaker 2: But I don't feel I don't feel, you know, like
Speaker 2: I can do anything I want. And I also don't know,
Speaker 2: And I have a lot of empathy for people who
Speaker 2: don't have much at all in how they were able
Speaker 2: to raise two or three children. Now their lifestyles vary.
Speaker 2: They're not getting married in Laguna and going on vacation
Speaker 2: and doing things that were fortunate enough to do. But like,
Speaker 2: how does a single mother of three children, you know,
Speaker 2: working three jobs support their family. I don't know how
Speaker 2: these people do it. And they're superheroes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, now when we're into this new era of
Speaker 1: we don't know what the contracts are, we don't know
Speaker 1: what you know, the specific language in those contracts are.
Speaker 1: But do you see us entering or have we already
Speaker 1: entered into a phase of the recruiting world of more
Speaker 1: organized negotiation that Nico at Tennessee allegedly, with the deal
Speaker 1: with the collective that Tennessee has put together. Are are
Speaker 1: people on his behalf or are you seeing a world
Speaker 1: in which somebody and you know, we always have the
Speaker 1: you know, the Cecil Newton story with you know, Mississippi
Speaker 1: State and Auburn allegedly, But are we entering into a
Speaker 1: phase where we are going to have representatives and savvy
Speaker 1: representatives at that savvier representatives than just a dad, an uncle,
Speaker 1: a trainer or something like that saying okay, Florida State
Speaker 1: is offering this much with this language, We're going to
Speaker 1: go back to you now, Oregon or USC or Michigan.
Speaker 1: What is it that you can do? Are we entering
Speaker 1: that territory? It'll be very savvier way than usual.
Speaker 2: How do you guys do your taxes? Do you do
Speaker 2: them yourself? Or do you have somebody?
Speaker 1: I have, I have an accountant.
Speaker 2: If you don't mind me asking, how much do you
Speaker 2: paying the guy for hour? I don't know, well minus
Speaker 2: three hundred and sixty five dollars an hour, and I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's typical or not right. I don't
Speaker 2: know how much it would cost for a lawyer to
Speaker 2: sift through all those pages of documents and to go
Speaker 2: back and forth. And I know that a lot of
Speaker 2: the people who are in that position do not have
Speaker 2: the means to invest fifteen thousand dollars for proper contract negotiation.
Speaker 2: But to answer your question, I do believe that to be,
Speaker 2: you know, on the verge of that, because when you're
Speaker 2: starting to talk about that type of money, you got
Speaker 2: to be some sort of asshole to not do one
Speaker 2: hundred percent of your research to make sure that you're
Speaker 2: ensuring definitely, you know, maximizing whatever potential you have there. So,
Speaker 2: you know, if we are getting to a point where
Speaker 2: you have collectives doing recruiting trips on their own without
Speaker 2: the staff there and having informal meetings with family members
Speaker 2: and discussing these things, and there's five collectives coming at you,
Speaker 2: then of course you're going to pit them against each other. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, it's like that commercial for the banking you
Speaker 2: know what happens when banks compete, you win? You know,
Speaker 2: like that's that's kind of like the way I view it. So,
Speaker 2: you know, I think that you know a lot of
Speaker 2: recruits in their families are far more apt to understand
Speaker 2: the intricacies of the game now than they were ten
Speaker 2: years ago, because the Internet is a wonderful beacon of
Speaker 2: information and in resource. But as it pertains to like
Speaker 2: lawyers and contract negotiations and you know, back and forth,
Speaker 2: there's going to be a tremendous amount and maybe they
Speaker 2: won't have to pay it up front. You know, these
Speaker 2: guys are smart enough to know they say, hey, give
Speaker 2: me six percent of whatever the contract is and I'll
Speaker 2: take care of this for you, you know, and maybe
Speaker 2: we'll be at that level, but there's going to be
Speaker 2: a tremendous amount of expense and research and negotiation. You know,
Speaker 2: when it comes to this sort of thing. Now, the
Speaker 2: question that I have more than anything is how common
Speaker 2: is eight million over a four year period going to be?
Speaker 2: Is that? The is that the cap is that the beginning?
Speaker 2: Is that the baseline? What are we doing with the
Speaker 2: three star offensive guard that plays in the same position
Speaker 2: or the same roster? And what does it mean for
Speaker 2: other players? You know, if Tennessee is allegedly the school
Speaker 2: that has got a collective that's paying Nico eight million dollars,
Speaker 2: then what.
Speaker 1: I hope it is because he just committed there. I
Speaker 1: hope you know the Michigan State collective is not paying
Speaker 1: Tennessee's quarterback.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, no, no. What I'm saying is is
Speaker 2: we don't know if Nico got a dime, right. So,
Speaker 2: like the idea is, now, if Tennessee goes into another
Speaker 2: person's living room and that person is a four star
Speaker 2: receiver from Fresno, is that person going to be like, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 2: this guy got that. I believe that I'm worth this.
Speaker 2: And the other thing that I think is an interesting
Speaker 2: discussion is in the NFL, what do we see all
Speaker 2: the time we see receiver on Team B say whoa,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, that guy just made this much money.
Speaker 2: I'm better than him. I want more than him, right,
Speaker 2: And if so, it's going to be like it's like
Speaker 2: an increasing salary structure where people are going to compare
Speaker 2: what people got, you know, in this area of the
Speaker 2: country from this program at the same position, and in
Speaker 2: judging based on what your ability is, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: setting a market.
Speaker 1: Now and how the information is about a Texas receiver
Speaker 1: or a Rutgers receiver or a Wisconsin receiver, Like, how
Speaker 1: do you trust any of it?
Speaker 2: Because these people who go public with this information have
Speaker 2: an interest in doing so. They want to promote what
Speaker 2: they're doing, and they want to But in six years,
Speaker 2: when everyone's doing it, I don't know what there is
Speaker 2: to gain about releasing the terms of any individual deal. So,
Speaker 2: you know, how we navigate these financial waters is a
Speaker 2: very tricky discussion. And I think it's gonna be murky,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be money, it's gonna be weird, you know.
Speaker 2: And it is very fascinating to me. And I'm working
Speaker 2: on a story right now, or thinking about working on
Speaker 2: a story right now about what does this mean for
Speaker 2: a place like And let's just stick with Arizona because
Speaker 2: I went there as the example. But what does this
Speaker 2: mean for a place like Arizona is if they create
Speaker 2: a collective which doesn't have the means or the passion
Speaker 2: as a fan base to match what we all know
Speaker 2: Tennessee is able to do what is their collective's goal.
Speaker 2: As their collective's goal to just maintain the recruiting level
Speaker 2: that they are right now and improve to scale the
Speaker 2: same way that the other teams have not catching them,
Speaker 2: but just improve as much as the other ones are.
Speaker 2: So the gap remains the same, or are they going
Speaker 2: to try to throw money at five star quarterbacks and
Speaker 2: start to shake up the market because there are so
Speaker 2: many different programs they are going to try to do this?
Speaker 2: You got collectives popping up at Rutgers and Wake Forest
Speaker 2: and all these other places. And the fascinating thing to
Speaker 2: me is that, well, once Alabama, Georgia and all the
Speaker 2: other big dogs catch up to what Tennessee is doing,
Speaker 2: what is it going to mean for the middle tier
Speaker 2: programs that don't have the same financial backing, of the
Speaker 2: same passion from the fan bases. And what's the goal
Speaker 2: of that going to be?
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think, isn't it what like ty can
Speaker 1: speak to this better than I can? Isn't it what
Speaker 1: like savvy EPL clubs do in that they position themselves
Speaker 1: in the best possible case to find value to Like
Speaker 1: we are going to be if we are the Arizona Wildcats,
Speaker 1: if I am Jed Fish, if I am who's their
Speaker 1: ace recruiter Johnny Nansen on defense, if I'm those guys,
Speaker 1: I say, how do we annually establish ourselves to be
Speaker 1: the destination for the quarterback? Leaving Texas for the quarterback,
Speaker 1: leaving Oklahoma for the quarterback, leaving Oregon for the quarterback,
Speaker 1: leaving UCLA for the best possible Southwest and West coast
Speaker 1: footprint transfer not unlike what Oklahoma did in succeeding in
Speaker 1: attracting Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray. Looking at the big
Speaker 1: twelve foot print, you know, super talented guys who were
Speaker 1: ultimately not a fit at their previous places. I think
Speaker 1: it's you're actually probably going to have a better batting
Speaker 1: average because you'll have a better sense of who these
Speaker 1: guys are as college quarterbacks, at least practicing, if not
Speaker 1: playing in games. That I think is the move for
Speaker 1: a school like Arizona to say, what can we do
Speaker 1: to attract Spencer Rattler, What can we do to attract
Speaker 1: Tanner Mordecai, What can we do to attract Hudson Card.
Speaker 1: I think that's probably the win that you're looking for
Speaker 1: value more than you're looking for a place at the
Speaker 1: table of big spender. And isn't that a little bit
Speaker 1: what Dion Sanders reference to one of his recent reviews,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to trying to leave room on the
Speaker 1: roster for some of those guys who might want to
Speaker 1: go elsewhere after they've got a year or two on campus,
Speaker 1: didn't get their fair shake at the starting job. Now
Speaker 1: they've got a little bit more development, and they're also,
Speaker 1: you know, perhaps more mature from being on a college
Speaker 1: campus for a couple of years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am very fascinated by the portal guys, because
Speaker 2: these guys go into a program and then they disappear
Speaker 2: and they're behind the scenes and if they don't play, sure,
Speaker 2: you know, and I don't know how much insight they're
Speaker 2: getting from current coaches. Maybe they're all texting each other
Speaker 2: behind closed doors and saying this guy is really good,
Speaker 2: or this guy could play for you, or but I
Speaker 2: sometimes one or two, Like blindly going into the portal
Speaker 2: and trying to take somebody that's kind of vanished for
Speaker 2: two years seems to me to be just as big
Speaker 2: of a risk as taking somebody out of the recruiting ranks.
Speaker 1: So you know, they're more easily vetted though, right right,
Speaker 1: you can talk to people around them. We're just like, hey,
Speaker 1: they're they're Joe Burrow. Right, they had bad luck, they
Speaker 1: were behind some good quarterbacks. There's a lot of upside
Speaker 1: who By the way, Joe Burrow is a blue chip
Speaker 1: quarterback from the Midwestern footprint who succeeded Let's be clear.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's true, but he's a tiger now. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now I'm just saying succeeded anywhere. Yeah, yeah, anywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, yeah, but yeah, but like Hunter Johnson was
Speaker 1: one of those who didn't know.
Speaker 2: It makes me want to go add it up, Dan, Yeah,
Speaker 2: go for it.
Speaker 3: I was going to ask you Ari, I want to
Speaker 3: ask about you for a second if I could.
Speaker 1: Oh, oh boy, I mean this Q to turn it off.
Speaker 2: Everyone had a warning.
Speaker 3: And covering college football, of course, but I mean you're
Speaker 3: clearly somebody who pays attention to the nuance. You told
Speaker 3: us earlier you were measuring as the crow flies from
Speaker 3: hometowns to eventual colleges. So clearly you care about the
Speaker 3: small details that make this whole thing go. How do
Speaker 3: you like your job now? And I don't mean that
Speaker 3: like a negative way. Oh no, it's I'm no how
Speaker 3: you present it's but it's different, right, the three sixty
Speaker 3: view that you have to consider is dramatically different, probably
Speaker 3: even then when you started this gig. Right, Like, it's
Speaker 3: funny that you're asking me that because I've had real
Speaker 3: internal discussion and like my goal in my career has
Speaker 3: never been to be a recruiting guy. Like my goal
Speaker 3: has always been to you know, I guess not to
Speaker 3: pump up Andy Staples too much, but to be in
Speaker 3: a position like that where you're writing about everything, like
Speaker 3: we wrote about Bishop Sycamore and I covered the Cotton Bowl, like,
Speaker 3: you know, like those are the types of things I'm
Speaker 3: trying to transition it. But like I think, recruiting is
Speaker 3: a major piece to cover in college football and you
Speaker 3: can't do it without it. So even if I became
Speaker 3: Bruce Feldman one day, like, I would still have a
Speaker 3: very and he does this to a you know, a
Speaker 3: very good job too, but I would still want to
Speaker 3: cover it. But the thing that I resent not your question,
Speaker 3: but the thing that I resent is in recruiting. There
Speaker 3: is a large amount of analysis that takes place. Where
Speaker 3: are people from, where are they going, What classes are
Speaker 3: being signed at, what schools? What are our normal you know,
Speaker 3: reasonable expectations for those schools and stuff. And if the
Speaker 3: answer every single time somebody goes somewhere is that person
Speaker 3: is paid, then we are robbed of that analysis. Now
Speaker 3: we'll be able to say, well, here's the best class
Speaker 3: in the country, or here's who got the best players.
Speaker 3: But how could you be critical of a coach anymore?
Speaker 3: How can you be complementary of a coach like you know,
Speaker 3: for instance, is Tennessee's coaching staff basking in the glory
Speaker 3: of getting this five star quarterback? Or did a collective
Speaker 3: pay this kid enough where it completely removes any discussion
Speaker 3: from it.
Speaker 2: So like, I do worry about that. I do think
Speaker 2: that if in seven or ten years from now, what
Speaker 2: everything we just got them talking about is happening, and
Speaker 2: you got lawyers negotiating contracts and players are going to
Speaker 2: the highest bidder, it removes any sort of analysis or
Speaker 2: critical thinking that takes place in my area of work. So,
Speaker 2: you know, I think there will always be stories and
Speaker 2: players will always have stories to tell, regardless of where
Speaker 2: they're going. But like that fun analysis of why did
Speaker 2: quarterbacks stay closer to home than other positions, it's like, well,
Speaker 2: if the answer in four years is the money did it?
Speaker 2: Then it's just like, right, how interesting is that you
Speaker 2: don't have NFL people, you know, writing in depth stories
Speaker 2: about how rosters are built other than draft success in
Speaker 2: free agent signings, and it's all financial, which sucks.
Speaker 1: The good news for you is Tennessee was not the
Speaker 1: only school with an affiliated collective or booster or NIL
Speaker 1: situation that was willing to pay for NICO. Right that
Speaker 1: there are other schools and that you know, if you
Speaker 1: listen to the people who know one of whom is you,
Speaker 1: it's that if you are in the West coast footprint,
Speaker 1: why do you stay out west right now? Given the
Speaker 1: seriousness or lack thereof of a lot of programs in
Speaker 1: that conference right now, that if you can look at
Speaker 1: brock Bauers going from California to Georgia, that you can
Speaker 1: look at Bryce Young, that you can look at you know,
Speaker 1: DJU wasn't great for Clemson, but he did make that
Speaker 1: move that clearly the Southeastern part of the United States
Speaker 1: is where you go, no matter where you are from,
Speaker 1: to play on the biggest stage and give yourself the
Speaker 1: best opportunity to be seen by the most people in
Speaker 1: the NFL or by NIL sponsors whatever. That Tennessee is
Speaker 1: not an accidental fit for NICO. They play in the
Speaker 1: largest conference in college football, on the biggest stage and
Speaker 1: playing against the biggest opponents. That he has the best
Speaker 1: possible opportunity to prove himself given the visibility of his destination.
Speaker 1: So I think there's still room for you to provide
Speaker 1: analysis that is outside of financial Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 1: if you go.
Speaker 2: Look at a lot of the comments on the stories
Speaker 2: that I've written, is who cares you got paid anyway?
Speaker 2: That's comments that's like no, no, I know, But like
Speaker 2: if the general fan and I know that, like maybe
Speaker 2: sometimes I have a hard time I'm like hearing one
Speaker 2: person on Twitter and thinking that everybody's thinking that way,
Speaker 2: and I've got to work on that. But if there's
Speaker 2: a large portion of the college fan base that's going
Speaker 2: to view recruiting as who cares they paid him the most,
Speaker 2: they kind of just strips the joy out of trying
Speaker 2: to come to the bottom of these things because everything
Speaker 2: in call that's your challenge.
Speaker 3: But isn't that also a much smaller percentage of guys
Speaker 3: like of course the headliners, right arch Manning, he's going
Speaker 3: to get headlines. Nico in this case got headlines. But
Speaker 3: there are guys plenty of guys who are three stars,
Speaker 3: who are you know, low four stars that probably aren't
Speaker 3: in line for you know, seven figure deals from anybody.
Speaker 3: So I would I hear what you're saying, at least
Speaker 3: who write about line But you know, when you go
Speaker 3: down a few pegs, there's still a lot of room
Speaker 3: for analysis.
Speaker 2: And like I do write stories about a two star
Speaker 2: quarterback that no one's heard of. Yeah, that might be
Speaker 2: really good, but that's a small percentage of my job.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm sure I'm writing about the most visual
Speaker 2: or the people who have the most visibility, because that's
Speaker 2: the people that people care most about. So yes, I
Speaker 2: think that to a certain point, that there is a
Speaker 2: scale of you have arch Manning and then you have
Speaker 2: random three star offensive tackle from Fresno over here, and
Speaker 2: they're in completely different categories.
Speaker 1: There's no question just taking so many hits today.
Speaker 2: You know, I think what I do and I actually
Speaker 2: somebody made a comment on like a review on The
Speaker 2: Andy Show, is that I come up with an example
Speaker 2: and then I keep using that example over and over again.
Speaker 2: I locked on Fresno in Arizona on this podcast, but
Speaker 2: I'm using them as a symbolic sure. Also I've lived
Speaker 2: in both of those cities for shorts periods of time,
Speaker 2: so I wanted to, you know, make sure I paid it.
Speaker 2: I know, I did an internship in Fresno California for
Speaker 2: four months in the summer of my junior year in college,
Speaker 2: in the tough summer, but it was like the greatest
Speaker 2: job I ever had because it was MLB dot Com
Speaker 2: and I covered minor league baseball for MLB dot Com
Speaker 2: and I had my dad's Honda Cord and I basically
Speaker 2: drove the entire state of California for an entire summer
Speaker 2: covering minor league baseball. And it was fun because they
Speaker 2: paid mileage and I lived in the middle of nowhere
Speaker 2: in Fresno, so like I had more money than I've
Speaker 2: ever had in terms of disposable income because I was
Speaker 2: making like two grand a month just on mileage a
Speaker 2: loan for a car that I didn't own. And that's
Speaker 2: where I've developed my propensity to want to play poker
Speaker 2: and gamble, because in Fresno, I had no friends and
Speaker 2: nothing to do on my off time, and they had
Speaker 2: a casino where the age was eighteen to gamble at
Speaker 2: that time. So that's kind of like.
Speaker 3: The Man Origin story.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and there's a place called Me and Ed's
Speaker 2: Pizza and Fresno that was pretty good. Great, Okay, but
Speaker 2: it's been fifteen years since I've been there.
Speaker 1: Now, this is the obvious transition. This is the obvious
Speaker 1: segue to get you out on your boat goals from
Speaker 1: out of the San Joaquin Valley, out of the grape vine,
Speaker 1: out of the heat, onto a body of water with
Speaker 1: all the money you made at your eighteen plus casino
Speaker 1: that you didn't spend at the pizzeria, that you can
Speaker 1: spend on.
Speaker 2: Leave the casino with a hundred bucks and feel like
Speaker 2: you hit.
Speaker 1: The lottery, feel like a champion of champion. So money
Speaker 1: is no object. You get to choose where, on what
Speaker 1: kind of boat, with whom, what the experience is like,
Speaker 1: is this current you? Is this past you? Is this
Speaker 1: future you? What are your boat goals?
Speaker 2: Well, those answers would be completely different depending on what
Speaker 2: you are talking about.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm just boat goals, And it could be parallel
Speaker 1: universe where it's like twenty three year old Ari the
Speaker 1: Laker Girls Catalina Island. Like it's like now, it's.
Speaker 2: Like unfair because my fiance listens to these podcasts. I
Speaker 2: wish I was twenty three years old and had twenty
Speaker 2: eight models on there in a pool and there was
Speaker 2: a cocaine guy, Like, what am I going to say?
Speaker 1: You know, like a current ari knowing that his bride
Speaker 1: may be listening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I love my bride very much, and the
Speaker 2: beautiful thing about that is that I enjoy spending time
Speaker 2: with her, so current ar. I think the boat would
Speaker 2: be the same in all the categories. So I guess
Speaker 2: the boat goal would be the Wolf of Wall Street
Speaker 2: yacht that had as a pool in a kitchen and
Speaker 2: a helipad. And you know, there's one scene in that movie,
Speaker 2: and I know, it's like such a frat dude, like simple,
Speaker 2: you know, basic guy thing to cite that movie, but
Speaker 2: it's the only the only movie really that kind of
Speaker 2: illustrates this. But there was a scene where he is
Speaker 2: sitting next to or laying next to Margot Robbie on
Speaker 2: the top of this boat and there's like an aerial
Speaker 2: view of it and they're just like sailing from one
Speaker 2: Mediterranean island to another. And like being able to have
Speaker 2: a boat like that where you can travel around the
Speaker 2: most beautiful places in the country by sea, but also
Speaker 2: feel like you're in a floating mansion that has every luxurious,
Speaker 2: you know, amenity that a human being could ask for.
Speaker 2: I think it's probably the only answer to this question, like,
Speaker 2: I don't even know how else you could answer it.
Speaker 2: And here's the thing with me too, I've been fortunate enough.
Speaker 2: I went on a Mediterranean cruise with my parents when
Speaker 2: I was twenty four, and I saw these in action,
Speaker 2: Like I've been to Saint Trope, I've been to Monica.
Speaker 2: Like I've seen these people who park their yachts or
Speaker 2: or dock their yachts. You see, I don't even say
Speaker 2: it right, Yeah, and they come off the side of
Speaker 2: the boat and like these these boats are bigger than
Speaker 2: my house. Yeah, and you know, you have a staff,
Speaker 2: and you have a weight you know, a waiting staff
Speaker 2: and a housekeeping and they've got legitimate pools on there
Speaker 2: and more theaters and hot tubs and kitchens and cooks.
Speaker 1: And who are you bringing with you? Who is who
Speaker 1: is in this group?
Speaker 2: Well, my kid and my wife have to come, right,
Speaker 2: my parents.
Speaker 1: I don't think they do. It can be anybody.
Speaker 2: My fantasy is to get a boat and leave my family.
Speaker 1: I'm apped out the friends that I would bring, and
Speaker 1: I wouldn't like my kids would appreciate. My three year
Speaker 1: old and one year old sons I don't think would appreciate.
Speaker 1: And it would detract my attention right that I want
Speaker 1: to be in the hot tub thinking about the appetizers
Speaker 1: that are being served to me. I don't necessarily want
Speaker 1: to be changing diapers.
Speaker 2: So are we? Are we talking like boat goals? For like,
Speaker 2: how would you use a boat for a month right now?
Speaker 2: Or is this boat a week? To you? A week?
Speaker 1: You get to charge a boat for a week.
Speaker 2: Oh, if I charter a boat for a week, then
Speaker 2: me and all of my best guy friends okay in
Speaker 2: Monaco with unlimited amount of money, throwing lobsters at people
Speaker 2: off the side of the thing, in all sorts of
Speaker 2: people onto the boat. Yeah. I thought you meant like,
Speaker 2: how would you manifest it in your life?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 3: We're not talking like Armageddon water World situation where you've
Speaker 3: got to live at sea for an extended period of time.
Speaker 3: We're talking you get unlimited funds one week at sea
Speaker 3: in some capacity on some boat, presumably with the helipad.
Speaker 3: Are how are you so?
Speaker 2: I think the actual answer would be because I would
Speaker 2: never betray my fiance's trust in a million years. I'd
Speaker 2: rather die. I would want all of my best friends
Speaker 2: and their spouses with my wife or.
Speaker 1: Future wife, great answer.
Speaker 2: And we'd party like maniacs because you know, britt can
Speaker 2: can get down like you see her at a bar,
Speaker 2: at a dancing on a tabletops as a mother at
Speaker 2: eleven PM in Dallas. I mean, she knows how to party.
Speaker 2: She's a lot of fun and just like going from
Speaker 2: city to city in the Mediterranean, eating like kings, drinking
Speaker 2: like maniacs. Pool that's the whole. That's the dream right
Speaker 2: there with all of my friends and their wives too great,
Speaker 2: ty are you?
Speaker 1: Tye is still sort of working out the details. I
Speaker 1: think ironing out the detail.
Speaker 2: I think Tonight's bought a battle boat on local Lake.
Speaker 3: Like I'm a huge I'm a huge fan of the boat. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I just I have like sort of sensory overload, Ari.
Speaker 3: I have too many thoughts in my head about how
Speaker 3: I'd want to spend that time. But damn, what was
Speaker 3: the word that you introduced me to in the last podcast,
Speaker 3: the small lobster legostino, the.
Speaker 1: Lango Stein's pastinos.
Speaker 3: H Do you know what that is?
Speaker 2: Ari? I've never heard of that in my life.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: See, I have an either.
Speaker 3: So I'm working through just some of the terminology here
Speaker 3: before I settle on some concrete boat goals, but I'll
Speaker 3: get there eventually.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I just I want a local person grilling
Speaker 1: seafood on the boat. That's that's a Manda element to
Speaker 1: my boat goal.
Speaker 2: You have an amazing I mean food could mean anything.
Speaker 2: I mean, you'd have a top flight chef. You'd have
Speaker 2: a pool, a movie theater, you know, for those you
Speaker 2: know times where you can look out the window and
Speaker 2: see the ocean, but also you know, watch a movie
Speaker 2: with people and hang out while you're going from place
Speaker 2: to place.
Speaker 1: I want to side off of the sidelide Wide would
Speaker 1: be of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would just be one of the craziest like
Speaker 2: one hundred million dollar yachts you could come up with.
Speaker 1: I I think I would probably get the captain's hat.
Speaker 1: I would have my own ceremonial captains and I would
Speaker 1: not be wearing at any point during the week. You
Speaker 1: would not what not wear a shirt for no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I mean occasionally if I'm burnt up a little bit,
Speaker 1: I'll do like a mid level button. But I'm showing
Speaker 1: a lot of skin.
Speaker 2: Hit with you, tp off.
Speaker 3: Would you or ari would you be interested in a
Speaker 3: Dwight shret type of situation where they give you a
Speaker 3: fake wheel so you feel like you're in charge.
Speaker 1: No, I don't. I don't want to even go anywhere
Speaker 1: near a steering wheel. I want the ceremonial captain's hat.
Speaker 1: I would love to be referred to as skipper for
Speaker 1: the duration of this of this journey.
Speaker 2: But otherwise, now I'm in charge of who comes on
Speaker 2: and goes off the boat.
Speaker 3: Here, the bouncer, the boun the manifest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that would be just I just you know what.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if it's just because I'm a snob,
Speaker 2: but I would want to stand on the back of
Speaker 2: the boat whither backing it into Monaco with my shirt
Speaker 2: off in a role x, everybody looking at me and
Speaker 2: just going wow, I wish I could be that guy.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that feel?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: What does he do for a living?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, he actually is a search mid window where
Speaker 2: I bet you if I did, I can make a
Speaker 2: lot of money off that information. Yeah, I was in money,
Speaker 2: Carlo or what if, I don't even know what it's called.
Speaker 2: We were on a boat, like a charter boat, like
Speaker 2: having a booze cruise or whatever. And this was back
Speaker 2: when I was covering Ohio State and this huge Wolf
Speaker 2: of Wall Street like yacht came up and on the
Speaker 2: back it said limited and it turned out to be
Speaker 2: Les Wexner's boat. Yep, and he was just out in
Speaker 2: the Mediterranean on this huge, massive boat that basically was
Speaker 2: like one fifth the size of the Titanic. And I
Speaker 2: just thought to myself, like that guy and me live
Speaker 2: in the same city, and boy are our lives different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very much. So okay, Ty, keep developing, keep researching.
Speaker 1: I'm still working on it. Yeah, you're mapping. I cannot wait.
Speaker 1: Well kind of a he said. You know, you know,
Speaker 1: I was just teasing you. Dan said at the beginning,
Speaker 1: you're from Dallas. There's a lot of lakes around here.
Speaker 1: No boat that I'm going to be having that lake.
Speaker 1: But I'm assuming that all of us are have the
Speaker 1: same boat. Like if you if you could have any
Speaker 1: boat in the world, of course you're going to take
Speaker 1: the craziest, most amazing And I actually it's funny that
Speaker 1: you mentioned it.
Speaker 2: But on Instagram, I think I follow a luxury yacht
Speaker 2: instagram that just posts pictures of amenities on luxury yachts
Speaker 2: because I like to, you know, look at things like
Speaker 2: that and aspirational I think once you get to a
Speaker 2: certain point, though, all of them are amazing. So like
Speaker 2: it's like, how many extra bedrooms do you need? Enough
Speaker 2: to sleep everybody, enough showers and things like that. But
Speaker 2: as long as there was a pool, I think the
Speaker 2: pool on the boat is the most important element. I
Speaker 2: just outside of the kitchen.
Speaker 1: Tie's initial answer was something along the lines of I
Speaker 1: had nothing fancy. I'm an easy going guy. Just see,
Speaker 1: I want to maybe a lake.
Speaker 3: I mean, there was also part of me that didn't
Speaker 3: understand the question.
Speaker 1: That's fair, okay, so it's me too.
Speaker 2: I was misguided too, because I had, like, I had
Speaker 2: like nine different fantasies there. I had single twenty three
Speaker 2: year old ari fantasies, of course, And let's be honest,
Speaker 2: if you're single twenty three and you haven't met the
Speaker 2: love of your life yet, you're probably gonna have the
Speaker 2: best possible week of human being could have on that thing.
Speaker 2: M hm, especially if you're the bouncer of who comes
Speaker 2: on and goes off the boat. But you know, thinking
Speaker 2: about it as a as a family man. Now that
Speaker 2: that fantasy is much different than the other one. So
Speaker 2: if I had to pick one, I mean just don't
Speaker 2: make me answer that, but like that's those are very
Speaker 2: different questions. Now. The one thing I will say before
Speaker 2: we go, And I know that you guys are probably
Speaker 2: dying to end this because I'm.
Speaker 1: I'm talking too much, but all good, keep going.
Speaker 2: I'm not a boat person. Like if somebody said, would
Speaker 2: you rather have a private plane or a private boat,
Speaker 2: I think I would take the plane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not making you choose. I'm you know this
Speaker 1: is I'm not I'm not trying to make an equivalency here.
Speaker 1: A plane gets you places and a boat is somewhere
Speaker 1: where you can chill.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: A plane is a means to an end essentially, and
Speaker 1: a boat is where. I mean, yes, you can travel
Speaker 1: ya a boat, but I think in this scenario a
Speaker 1: ritzy boat is meant for parking.
Speaker 2: But my friend actually bought a boat. I people own boats,
Speaker 2: and I feel like buying like a boat that's like
Speaker 2: a two person speed boat. It sounds awful.
Speaker 1: People love that, though. I think the key is just
Speaker 1: to know people who do that, not to be that person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's what they always say. No, somebody who
Speaker 2: has a boat.
Speaker 3: Don't ever own don't don't buy the boat, all right,
Speaker 3: why don't we leave it there, guys, don't buy a boat.
Speaker 2: No matter what I say on a show, I'm automatically
Speaker 2: have never gotten through a sixty minute podcast without offending
Speaker 2: twenty percent of the people.
Speaker 1: No, that's okay, But if you are offending nobody, then
Speaker 1: we probably wouldn't have you back. Okay, I said.
Speaker 2: That on the last show.
Speaker 3: Don't buy a boat. You're good.
Speaker 1: That's okay.
Speaker 3: You're a good company. Ari Wasserman of the Athletic of
Speaker 3: the Andy Staples Show. Go check him out, get his
Speaker 3: fine recruiting analysis. It is always a pleasure, sir. We'll
Speaker 3: have you gun sometime soon. Okay.
Speaker 2: I love you guys, Thanks so much for having me on.
Speaker 1: Love you all.
Speaker 3: Right, there you go, Ari Wasserman. He's got boat goals.
Speaker 3: He's got boat goals. Yeah, I don't like you punking
Speaker 3: me for not having to do a specific answer. I
Speaker 3: love boats, you know, I'm a boat person. We've talked
Speaker 3: about this before. Definitely, I just want to take more
Speaker 3: time to think this through before I commit to anything.
Speaker 3: I'm sure. I'm sure of the tens of thousands of
Speaker 3: folks that listen to this show every single time we
Speaker 3: drop it. I'm sure about zero point two percent. Actually
Speaker 3: a damn about my answer here, But now I am
Speaker 3: taking this seriously. It is my prerogative to do. So.
Speaker 1: Do you have another genre of ritzy goals? Do you
Speaker 1: have car goals? Do you have house goals? Do you
Speaker 1: have vacation goals? Do you have playe goals? Do you
Speaker 1: have toy goals? In terms of technology that kind of thing,
Speaker 1: like you know that you want to, you know, create
Speaker 1: a home theater of some kind, Like would you are
Speaker 1: you more specific in your ritzy dreams about another area
Speaker 1: of luxury?
Speaker 3: First off, even my ritzy dreams aren't that ritzy? Oh?
Speaker 3: Come on, They're just not They're just not. I just
Speaker 3: maybe I just don't think in those terms. I don't know,
Speaker 3: Like i'd buy an extra microphone, I don't know.
Speaker 1: But I will say this, do you have a mic goal?
Speaker 1: Like if if suddenly we had a one thousand dollars
Speaker 1: budget for microphones, are you buying the uh what's it called? Electro?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: The only one I don't own is the electro voice. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's the only one I don't own.
Speaker 1: So that's a good one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: When we were up at doing that video show twenty twelve,
Speaker 3: for Espionation. They had the electric voices up there and
Speaker 3: I loved it. Yeah, but the one we have is fine.
Speaker 3: We have the same mic. The sure is fine. Right.
Speaker 3: I will say this about my luxury goals.
Speaker 1: You want to call it all right, I'm ready.
Speaker 3: I love this. I did have the pleasure once a
Speaker 3: flying private.
Speaker 1: I told you about this, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: It was mostly by accident. It was for the mysterious
Speaker 3: day job. It was unlike any experience I'd ever had before.
Speaker 3: I hate planes, Okay, I don't like planes at all.
Speaker 3: This was an experience. This is an experience. We weren't
Speaker 3: exactly in the lap of luxury. They weren't coming around
Speaker 3: with you know, tall boys of champagne or anything, but
Speaker 3: it was. It was just so convenient that I think
Speaker 3: if I had limitless funds, that's something I'd need to consider.
Speaker 2: What.
Speaker 1: Okay, so, what is your biggest inconvenience at the moment
Speaker 1: that could be solved simply by throwing money at it.
Speaker 1: I mean that you don't have but could have someday.
Speaker 1: Biggest inconvenience, right, you know, sometimes like if you're living
Speaker 1: somewhere and you would like to go to a weekend
Speaker 1: home instead of driving your magnificent car, that you take
Speaker 1: a helicopter right that you don't you get to avoid
Speaker 1: traffic that way?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, this is going to be the
Speaker 3: dorkiest answer possible. But I could really go for some
Speaker 3: quicker internet.
Speaker 1: Here, I was gonna say, that's not unreasonable. I could
Speaker 1: really go for some quicker internet.
Speaker 3: And I don't believe the cable company has any plans
Speaker 3: to change the infrastructure anytime soon. They actually just upgraded
Speaker 3: it like two years ago.
Speaker 1: So what are you getting up?
Speaker 3: Excuse me?
Speaker 1: You uploading? What speed are you uploading at?
Speaker 3: I think only like twenty five?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get forty, I get I'm a gigabit down.
Speaker 1: But I have this awful Exfinity. Maybe in the new house,
Speaker 1: whenever it is that we go there, finally moving, I
Speaker 1: think we'll try to do. I think it's gigabit up
Speaker 1: and down. Yeah, you need, but I don't have it now.
Speaker 1: We need fiber. If I need, I need to lay
Speaker 1: the fiber.
Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, so something like some sort of tech goals.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm and everybody's got some home renovations in mind,
Speaker 3: things like that. But no, it again, I need time
Speaker 3: to think about this. I need time to think about this.
Speaker 3: The first thing that came to mind was the electro
Speaker 3: voice are forty five. So I've got.
Speaker 1: Issue I would I would address almost related inconveniences. I
Speaker 1: would do private chef and personal trainer to sort of
Speaker 1: offset there.
Speaker 3: That's a good answer, good answer.
Speaker 1: I'm just not a good answer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm just not programmed to think like this.
Speaker 1: But this is why I would upgrade, upgrade, av upgrade travel.
Speaker 1: The private jet thing, doesn't I mean, that's it's I'm
Speaker 1: sure it's nice. I've never been on a private jet,
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's why I talk about boat goals, because
Speaker 1: that's so outlandish. The other thing is that I just
Speaker 1: I would definitely build my own fantasy factory.
Speaker 3: Well we're going to close out with this, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 3: I saw probably on Instagram somewhere, but somebody with way
Speaker 3: too much money decided that they were going to burrow
Speaker 3: deep into the earth and sort of build a hidden
Speaker 3: cavern within their house. Interesting, okay, And I suppose it
Speaker 3: could double as a panic room or a bomb shelter.
Speaker 3: That's not really the motif I'm going for here, but
Speaker 3: I just sort of like the idea of having a
Speaker 3: trick wall or a bookcase.
Speaker 1: You want a batcave is what we're talking about here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know what kind of zoning laws would
Speaker 3: allow for such thing, but if I could have a
Speaker 3: trick wall in the basement that would lead into the
Speaker 3: back cave of sorts, I don't know what i'd do there,
Speaker 3: but to have it, okay, to be able to show
Speaker 3: friends like, hey, push on this wall right here, watch
Speaker 3: what that'd be kind of fun.
Speaker 1: I think what you would do in a heartbeat. And
Speaker 1: I just look this up. I just had to google
Speaker 1: his name, Lucius Fox. You know that name. It's Morgan
Speaker 1: Freeman's character from Batman.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: I think if you could commission somebody to say, here's
Speaker 1: not necessarily from a weapons perspective, no, but just from
Speaker 1: a technology perspective. If you're like, I am going to
Speaker 1: create an incubator of things, of toys that I just
Speaker 1: would like to have in my life, right, I think
Speaker 1: that's something that you would pour your money into.
Speaker 3: Like a Tony Stark type of situation.
Speaker 1: It's exactly right. That's why I said Lucius Fox because
Speaker 1: he has the you know, he was associated with Batman.
Speaker 1: I'm not a posed to this time I was called
Speaker 1: that's well, it just made me think when you said
Speaker 1: bat cave, or when I said batcave in response to
Speaker 1: your you know, hidden cavern. I just think you would
Speaker 1: love to commission a tinkerer that you could every so
Speaker 1: often go down and say, what do you have for me?
Speaker 2: Steve?
Speaker 3: Commission what do you have for me? Tinkerer?
Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I am deep in the the the personal chef and
Speaker 1: personal trainer mindset right now. And how I get there
Speaker 1: It's gonna.
Speaker 3: Take some time. Takes some time. Yeah for that guy
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