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Speaker 1: Podcast play God. Yeah, Hi, I'm Tom Asacha. I'm with

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Speaker 1: Buzznight and we're in beautiful New Hampshire taking a walk

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Speaker 1: in the woods. Welcome to taking a walk, an excursion

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Speaker 1: to converse, connects and catch up at a cool location

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Speaker 1: with some of the most interesting people you can find.

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Speaker 1: Here's Buzznight. Well, Tom, it's so nice to officially meet you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've spoken before, and obviously I don't think

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Speaker 1: each of us are meeting a lot of people during

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Speaker 1: all this this thing we won't name that's happened for

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Speaker 1: the last two years. So it's nice to actually meet you. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it is. It's strangely wonderful just to be in the

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Speaker 1: presence of another human being. It is. It is. Well,

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Speaker 1: thanks for taking a walk. So how do you use

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Speaker 1: taking a walk for, you know, something to spur or

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Speaker 1: you need to be unleashed. I mean, how do you

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Speaker 1: use the act of taking a walk? Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: I've never really thought about it was and probably like me,

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Speaker 1: All we did was walk. We just left the house

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Speaker 1: And you know, at least I was told that when

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Speaker 1: home for dinner. But beyond that, we were just felt

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Speaker 1: whole life reflecting and walking, and it's just seems natural

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Speaker 1: to me. Well, what's so cool about it? First of all,

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Speaker 1: cool aspect of it. But the other fun part here,

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Speaker 1: certainly for me, and this is either meeting someone in

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Speaker 1: person I've never met before or reacquainting with someone and

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Speaker 1: having a great conversation. So I think it's so cool

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Speaker 1: to be able to take a walk, and I'm grateful

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Speaker 1: for it. Yeah, I am too. Look, I always get

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Speaker 1: new insights when I leave the whatever comfortable world my

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Speaker 1: head happens to be in, you know, if it's at

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Speaker 1: my desk, if it's working on something, that attention is

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Speaker 1: just usually laser focus. So this is the way. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what it is. Maybe that's this

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Speaker 1: just will give me stimulate some kind of new thought,

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Speaker 1: new thinking, and it's invaluable, you know. And I more

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Speaker 1: than anything enjoy the company and the dance with other people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: me as well. So what I find interesting about you

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Speaker 1: thinking about it, I said, that is quite a goal

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Speaker 1: you achieved, because I think you live in the business

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Speaker 1: world of transformation. You live in the personal transformation world

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Speaker 1: you're creating, So how do you describe what the heck

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Speaker 1: you do? You know, it's interesting, buzz because you pointed

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Speaker 1: out in a paradoxical way, how I do what I do.

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Speaker 1: When you said that, you mentioned the word goal. You know,

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Speaker 1: you said, how did you achieve this goal? And it's

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Speaker 1: be able to just shift and move in whatever direction

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Speaker 1: something's pulling me. I think the goal creates the box.

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Speaker 1: So if you have some kind of goal that to

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Speaker 1: be something, to become someone, to achieve, to accumulate, you

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Speaker 1: are now in this box of how do I do that?

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Speaker 1: And it creates a focus and a lot of your

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Speaker 1: you gotta compete against others. You know, you have to

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Speaker 1: really put your head down and focus. And I've never

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Speaker 1: looked at life like that. I will just do things

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Speaker 1: working so far. Well, so what shaped you this way though?

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Speaker 1: Like was it particular mentors at a younger age or

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Speaker 1: did you hit your head? No? You know, no, listen

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Speaker 1: that that you think that's funny. I have a friend

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Speaker 1: focus on and choose to get what I wanted, which

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Speaker 1: was an exciting, happy, peaceful life. So I just shifted.

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Speaker 1: I just kept shifting, looking for the experiences that brought

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Speaker 1: about it. I never said now. It has in some

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Speaker 1: cases diminished my standing with people who live in particular boxes.

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Speaker 1: So if I'm like a branding expert and then all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden I'm working on personal development books and seminars,

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Speaker 1: it confuses them like, wait a minute, I thought you

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Speaker 1: but you love it. It doesn't bother me. Honestly, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't bother me at all. Do you ever take it

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Speaker 1: and have certain regrets about certain moves you made? Well,

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Speaker 1: down and focused, I could have been a great So

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Speaker 1: that runs through my head. I could have been a

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Speaker 1: I still dabble. I was a practice magician, and I

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Speaker 1: thought to myself, I could have been David Blaine. I

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Speaker 1: It just doesn't seem to add value to think about

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Speaker 1: life like that. So what's a typical day for you? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I wish I had typical days. Typical day, Well, since

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Speaker 1: go to this way. Yeah, it just it's kind of

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Speaker 1: freedom and ability to Skywriight? Yeah? I do a lot

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Speaker 1: a lot of reading. What are you reading? Oh? God,

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Speaker 1: Obviously we've seen this happening. I think we could all,

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Speaker 1: this unbelievable ability that animals don't have to simulate the world.

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Speaker 1: We can project the future, what something's going to feel

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