WEBVTT - ON BENJAMIN FRANKLIN Episode 3: Industry

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<v Speaker 1>I think about Ben Franklin all the time. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>being with Elon Musk right when he bought Twitter, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was trying to decide do you print everything is

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<v Speaker 1>a total free speech? Does it become raucous? Or is

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<v Speaker 1>there any limits to what you put on it? And

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<v Speaker 1>I went back to when Ben Franklin was in his

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<v Speaker 1>early twenties and a printer in Philadelphia and he had

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<v Speaker 1>a newspaper. He writes apology for printers, which is still

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<v Speaker 1>one of the best defenses of free speech. He says

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<v Speaker 1>all voices should be allowed, because if you let the

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<v Speaker 1>printer decide what should be enter out, you'd only hear

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<v Speaker 1>the opinion of printers.

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<v Speaker 2>And Franklin said, if.

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<v Speaker 1>Truth and false did he have fair play, then truth

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<v Speaker 1>will win out. But Franklin realizes after a while that's

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<v Speaker 1>not always the case. Sometimes, as Franklin says in Poor Richard,

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<v Speaker 1>a lie can make it all the way around the

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<v Speaker 1>world while the truth is still putting on its shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>And he does a test for himself. He had to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out when do you refuse to print something you

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<v Speaker 1>know as salacious or malicious or untrue. And at one

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<v Speaker 1>point he was going to get paid to publish something scurreless,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was so salacious, and he said, well, is

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<v Speaker 1>it really worth the money? And to try to determine

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<v Speaker 1>whether I'd publish it or not, I purchased this a

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<v Speaker 1>small piece of bread. I went home and lay on

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<v Speaker 1>the floor, slept on the floor, ate only bread and water.

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<v Speaker 1>And I realized that I could live that way if

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<v Speaker 1>I had to, and it was better to be proud

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<v Speaker 1>of what I did.

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<v Speaker 2>As a printer, a publisher, and a postmaster. Benjamin Franklin

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<v Speaker 2>launched America's first great media empire. But that's not exactly

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<v Speaker 2>how we picture him. For most of us, he's the

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<v Speaker 2>funny writer or the old guy with a kite, not

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<v Speaker 2>America's wealthiest self made businessman. But Franklin's ambitious. He devoured

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<v Speaker 2>any book he could get his hands on, formed clubs

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<v Speaker 2>to learn from his peers, jousted with his competitors, and

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<v Speaker 2>constantly innovated seeking new efficiencies. And while it might be

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<v Speaker 2>enough to appreciate Franklin for the business savant that he was,

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<v Speaker 2>what he learned during those years, from the ethical questions

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<v Speaker 2>he wrestled with to the observations he made while traveling

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<v Speaker 2>for work, gave tremendous insight into the founding father he

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<v Speaker 2>would become and the democracy he wanted to build. In

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<v Speaker 2>this third episode of On Benjamin Franklin, Walter Isaacson reveals

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<v Speaker 2>how Franklin's identity as a printer and businessman let him

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<v Speaker 2>on a path not just to become a revolutionary, but

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<v Speaker 2>to understanding the shape America's democracy would need to take.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you walk us through how Ben Franklin created his

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<v Speaker 2>print operation in Philadelphia, starting from showing up in the

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<v Speaker 2>city with a few coins in his pocket.

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<v Speaker 1>When he straggles up Market Street. But draggled, he's able

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<v Speaker 1>to get a job in one of the print shops

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<v Speaker 1>there an apprentice, and he works very hard for a

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<v Speaker 1>sort of ne'er do well printer named Samuel Kimo. And

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<v Speaker 1>in the end Franklin becomes much more of the star

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<v Speaker 1>of the town.

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<v Speaker 2>Personally because he's good at doing his own pr right.

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<v Speaker 1>But Franklin's ambitious. He's a young printer who knows how

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<v Speaker 1>to ingratiate himself, and I think Keemar, his boss, becomes

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<v Speaker 1>quite resentful. But Franklin eventually breaks away to start his

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<v Speaker 1>own printing shop.

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<v Speaker 2>And you write that it takes a while for him

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<v Speaker 2>to get going. He's got his owne ups and downs.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's one little anecdote that I wanted to talk about,

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<v Speaker 2>which is not one of the biggest ones in the book,

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<v Speaker 2>but it felt like it encapsulated some of that, which

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<v Speaker 2>is he somehow connects with Governor Keith, governor of the

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<v Speaker 2>Pennsylvania Colony, and he's going to be sent to London

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<v Speaker 2>to buy printing equipment to set himself up as a printer.

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<v Speaker 2>And the governor's promised him this, and then he arrives

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<v Speaker 2>in London and turns out it was a completely false promise,

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<v Speaker 2>that there was no money to buy the equipment, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's very sanguine about it, and you write, for Franklin

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<v Speaker 2>it was an insight into human foibles rather than evil.

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<v Speaker 2>He wished to please everybody, Franklin later said of Keith,

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<v Speaker 2>and having little to give, he gave expectations.

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<v Speaker 1>Franklin looked at a guy like Governor Keith, who had

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<v Speaker 1>promised him a lunge and credit. But then he said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>he was just trying to please me. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that a bill to say, hey, we shouldn't ascribe deep

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<v Speaker 1>evil motives to people. We should be tolerant that becomes

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<v Speaker 1>ingrained in Franklin. So let's talk about his print shop.

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<v Speaker 1>He's still pretty young when he starts it, going into

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<v Speaker 1>competition with all these established printers. How does he distinguish

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<v Speaker 1>himself when he had a print shop? He realized, you

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<v Speaker 1>want him to be successful just printing things like the Bible,

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<v Speaker 1>because people bought a Bible once in their lifetime, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>or twice. So he realizes an almanac is a way

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<v Speaker 1>to go. People would have to buy it every year.

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<v Speaker 2>Sensing what people wanted and how to create demand was

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<v Speaker 2>just one of the ways Franklin distinguished himself as a businessman.

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<v Speaker 2>Another was his humor. Turns out, Franklin's sense of humor

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't just a natural part of his writing. It was

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<v Speaker 2>good business too, giving him a real advantage in the marketplace.

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<v Speaker 2>Could he have made it if he hadn't been the

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<v Speaker 2>writer that he was.

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<v Speaker 1>I think being a humorous writer was key to his

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<v Speaker 1>success because his news paper becomes more lively than the

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<v Speaker 1>rivals his almanac. He pokes fun at the other almanac makers.

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<v Speaker 1>He has poor Richard in the almanac predicting that we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to die, and he gets into these fake rivalries

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<v Speaker 1>and battles, public battles where they're poking fun at each other.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you're in a jousting battle with Benjamin Franklin

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<v Speaker 1>poking fun, he's going to win.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got the more pockish sense of humor. And so

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<v Speaker 1>in the end, his almanacs were valued more, his newspaper

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<v Speaker 1>was valued more. And he was smart about publishing. He

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<v Speaker 1>published novels, Pamela, the first novel published in America. Franklin

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<v Speaker 1>has a good sense for what the public wants.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a good salesperson, but even with something like Poor Richard,

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<v Speaker 2>he's always figuring out how to make another product. Like

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<v Speaker 2>after printing year after year of almanacs, he figures out

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<v Speaker 2>he can create a best of compilation.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, definitely, and it's called The Weight of Wealth The

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<v Speaker 1>Sayings of Poor Richard, and it was by far the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest selling book in the colonies for years.

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<v Speaker 2>But it wasn't just the content that made Franklin wealthy.

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<v Speaker 2>He was savvy about other parts of the business too,

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<v Speaker 2>striking deals to ensure his newspapers and books got premium

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<v Speaker 2>placement and distribution. And even that wasn't enough for Franklin.

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<v Speaker 2>He realized that if he could control the distribution, he

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<v Speaker 2>could squash the competition, and so he laid the groundwork

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<v Speaker 2>for a monopoly.

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<v Speaker 1>When Franklin was a printer in Philadelphia, he had a

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<v Speaker 1>competitor named Andrew Bradford. They competed against each other in

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<v Speaker 1>many areas, but they also cooperated, just like you might

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<v Speaker 1>find Apple and Microsoft competing and cooperating. They even published

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<v Speaker 1>a PSALM book together and split the costs. But one

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<v Speaker 1>thing that really heightened their competition was that Bradford was

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<v Speaker 1>the postmaster, and that was a great advantage. He got

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<v Speaker 1>to favor his own content, and Soanklin at first pushes

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<v Speaker 1>against him and tries to get the Postmaster General to

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<v Speaker 1>order Bradford to carry Franklin's papers as well. But eventually

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<v Speaker 1>Franklin's able to rest away from Bradford the Philadelphia postmastership,

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<v Speaker 1>and Franklin then says, I'm going to create an open system,

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<v Speaker 1>and he does that, but then he gets mad at

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<v Speaker 1>Bradford again, and for a while he's keeping Bradford from

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<v Speaker 1>sending things through. But as usual, Franklin gets to the

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<v Speaker 1>right place, and eventually we have a US postal system

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<v Speaker 1>that's a platform for everybody, and it's an open system.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing I love about this story is there's also

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<v Speaker 2>if one of them doesn't want to carry the other's papers,

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<v Speaker 2>there's this sort of backdoor way to make it happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. What was great is when they would deny each

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<v Speaker 1>other the right to use the postal system, you could

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<v Speaker 1>just bribe the writers to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's always a side door if you have cash to

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<v Speaker 2>hold out.

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<v Speaker 1>Nowadays we wrestled with should internet service providers be able

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<v Speaker 1>to favor certain content or should all content be on

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<v Speaker 1>a level playing field. It goes back to Franklin and

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<v Speaker 1>Bradford in Philadelphia, finally, after a lot of struggle back

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<v Speaker 1>and forth, saying an open system is better.

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<v Speaker 2>Even as Franklin controlled so much of the printing industry,

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<v Speaker 2>he remains committed to fair play. He believed competition at

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<v Speaker 2>a marketplace of opinions created a healthier society, and any

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<v Speaker 2>streaks of ruthlessness always seemed to be tamed by his

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<v Speaker 2>greater sense of civic duty.

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<v Speaker 1>Franklin did not believe that much in monetizing intellectual property.

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<v Speaker 1>He never patented or copyrighted anything he did, and he

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<v Speaker 1>could have done it with some of his writings. He

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<v Speaker 1>could have said, I'm going to take a copyright out

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<v Speaker 1>on the sayings of poor Richard. However, he knew that

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<v Speaker 1>the sayings of Poor Richard were things that he had

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<v Speaker 1>taken in from previous writers in the past two or

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<v Speaker 1>three centuries who had said clever things, and Franklin might

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<v Speaker 1>polish him up a bit. And so he was not

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<v Speaker 1>a strong believer in the type of intellectual property that

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<v Speaker 1>we would call copyrights or trademarks or patents.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like we should say he was really good

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<v Speaker 2>at making money. I mean, he did very well for himself.

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<v Speaker 1>He was very successful as a printer and a publisher,

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<v Speaker 1>and he always looked after his interests, you know, making

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<v Speaker 1>sure he got the contract to do the paper currency,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is newspaper advocated for paper currency. On the

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<v Speaker 1>other hand, he doesn't take out patents on his scientific inventions.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, we all benefit from things that went before.

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<v Speaker 1>We should put these into the commons, whether it's a

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<v Speaker 1>Franklin stove or the lightning rod.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is fascinating, Like, on the one hand, he's

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<v Speaker 2>quickly on a path to being incredibly wealthy, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>doing all the innovative and sometimes cutthroat business things like

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<v Speaker 2>taking over the post office and trying to stamp out

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<v Speaker 2>his competition. And then he's always so civic minded. He's

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<v Speaker 2>always thinking about the middle class. It's almost at the

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<v Speaker 2>core of his identity.

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<v Speaker 1>Right when he gets to Philadelphia and he becomes a tradesman,

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<v Speaker 1>he creates what's called the Leather Apron Club or the Junto,

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<v Speaker 1>And it doesn't try to replicate the clubs for the

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<v Speaker 1>very rich, aristocratic elite of Philadelphia. It's just supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be for the tradesman, the artist, and the shopkeepers what

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<v Speaker 1>he called we the middling people. That's why it was

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<v Speaker 1>called a leather apron club. They put on leather aprons

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning and open up their shop. And he

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<v Speaker 1>felt that the civic life of America would be driven

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<v Speaker 1>by a middle class.

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<v Speaker 2>When we come back, we dive into the revolutionary impact

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<v Speaker 2>of the Leather Apron Club and the surprising ways its

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<v Speaker 2>legacy still lives on today. People might have a vision

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<v Speaker 2>of a printer or a newspaperman today a publisher and

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<v Speaker 2>who they are and where they came from. But this

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<v Speaker 2>was a real blue collar job. Then did you explain

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<v Speaker 2>that and what Franklin means when he describes himself as

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<v Speaker 2>a leather apron man.

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<v Speaker 1>Benjamin Franklin throughout his life would sign his name B. Franklin,

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<v Speaker 1>Common Printer. And it was because he believed that being

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<v Speaker 1>a leather apron, meaning somebody owned a shop opened up

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning, served people that market street, middle class

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<v Speaker 1>values was the heart of who we were going to

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<v Speaker 1>be as a nation, rather than trying to create the

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<v Speaker 1>class system in England and the pretensions of the elite

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<v Speaker 1>and the aristocracy. And so that notion of a printer

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<v Speaker 1>as a shopkeeper and publisher was something he always had

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<v Speaker 1>a pride in. Now this was something rather new in England.

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<v Speaker 1>You had had an aristocracy and a working class, and

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<v Speaker 1>but that wasn't a prosperous, vibrant middle class. And Franklin

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<v Speaker 1>knew that a strong America would come from having a

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<v Speaker 1>thriving class of small business owners.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Leather Apron Club banded together in this new

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<v Speaker 2>model to do good in the community, partially out of

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<v Speaker 2>a sense of moral righteousness, but also out of practicality.

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<v Speaker 2>The members knew that their businesses all had a better

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<v Speaker 2>shout of success if the city was thriving, if the

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<v Speaker 2>streets were clean and if the people had money in

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<v Speaker 2>their pockets to spend.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the Poor Richard Almanac sayings is about doing

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<v Speaker 1>well by doing good, And this describes Franklin, which is

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<v Speaker 1>he wants to do civic good, but he also knows

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<v Speaker 1>you can profit by it when you start with his

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<v Speaker 1>heat put A little things like keeping the streets, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>might seem like a minor thing that some dust may

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<v Speaker 1>get in somebody's eye, But if you multiply that to

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<v Speaker 1>the whole community, you see why we all have to

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<v Speaker 1>work together. And so what is Jonto or Leather Apron

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<v Speaker 1>Club does is at every meeting they talk about what

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<v Speaker 1>is it that a fellow member of the club might

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<v Speaker 1>need and might help them in business? What ways can

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<v Speaker 1>we help the commerce of Philadelphia, What new ideas might

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<v Speaker 1>we profit from? And so he was always mixing his

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<v Speaker 1>civic virtue with doing well by himself, like making sure

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<v Speaker 1>that the other members of the Leather Apron Club used

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<v Speaker 1>him as a printer. So they form all sorts of

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<v Speaker 1>ideas and associations, to have a volunteer street sweeping core,

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<v Speaker 1>to have a volunteer fire department.

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<v Speaker 2>And people now maybe have a hard time conceptualizing the

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<v Speaker 2>era where some of the things that he came up

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<v Speaker 2>with didn't already exist. For instance, you've mentioned the volunteer

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<v Speaker 2>firefighting or even the militias that he'd helped set up

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<v Speaker 2>prior to him coming up with them. What was happening

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<v Speaker 2>around a fire before Franklin's set up one of these associations.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you had people who either paid for protection, or

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<v Speaker 1>people would pay for constable watches and stuff. But what

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<v Speaker 1>he realizes is, especially with fires, but even with crime,

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<v Speaker 1>that you can't just have certain people protect their own homes.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole community has to pull together to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Fire on one home in Milk Street hurts every home

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<v Speaker 1>on Milk Street, and so there are things we have

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<v Speaker 1>to join together to do. One of the essences of

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<v Speaker 1>democracy is figuring out what should be done in the commons,

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<v Speaker 1>what should be done by government, what should be left

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<v Speaker 1>to the private sphere. And this notion that we gather

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<v Speaker 1>together in civic associations, it's so perplexed Tokeville. When he

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<v Speaker 1>writes about democracy in America, he says Americans are the

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<v Speaker 1>most individualistic people, and yet somehow they keep forming associations

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<v Speaker 1>and this is in conflict. But for Benjamin Franklin, it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't in conflict at all. As poor Richard said, he

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<v Speaker 1>who drinks alone let him catch his horse alone, which

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<v Speaker 1>means it's not easy to catch a runaway horse unless

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<v Speaker 1>you have friends helping you do it. And so that

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<v Speaker 1>notion of governing ourselves through civic associations and then eventually

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<v Speaker 1>of public private partnerships with local government and then later

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<v Speaker 1>on colonial and national government, that becomes a new concept

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<v Speaker 1>of how we were going to create in America. That's

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<v Speaker 1>elevated both self reliance as well as community and civic association.

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<v Speaker 2>And also the lending library was a big part of

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<v Speaker 2>what role did that play.

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<v Speaker 1>Among the things the Leather Apron Club does is it

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<v Speaker 1>creates the first sort of public library where they all

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<v Speaker 1>agreed in the club to put their books together so

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<v Speaker 1>other people could borrow them. And soon they have a

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<v Speaker 1>room that they rent and it becomes away. As Franklin

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<v Speaker 1>puts it, that the average tradesperson in America, the average shopkeeper,

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<v Speaker 1>could be just as well informed, is just as educated

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<v Speaker 1>as some of the elite or aristocracy. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>amusing things Franklin figured out when he is starting his

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<v Speaker 1>library is that he asked one of the wealthier privileged

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<v Speaker 1>people of Philadelphia who didn't particularly like the young striving

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<v Speaker 1>Benjamin Franklin if he could borrow a particular book, and

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<v Speaker 1>he borrows it and then returns it and is very

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<v Speaker 1>grateful for it and talks about how influential the book is.

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<v Speaker 1>And after that the person he borrowed the book from

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<v Speaker 1>loves Benjamin Franklin, and Franklin says, what I learned is

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes when you allow a person to do you a favor,

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<v Speaker 1>they will like you more than if you're doing favors

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<v Speaker 1>for them.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that lesson. And you describe these things coming

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<v Speaker 2>together beginning in these clubs. If we creates this library,

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<v Speaker 2>people can teach themselves. They can educate themselves, which is

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what someone would do after being denied the opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>to go to Harvard.

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<v Speaker 1>He extends that to the Academy for the Education of

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<v Speaker 1>Youth that becomes University of Pennsylvania. Both Franklin and Jefferson

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<v Speaker 1>or exemplars of the Enlightenment. But Jefferson, when he creates

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<v Speaker 1>a university that becomes the University of Virginia, talks about

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<v Speaker 1>taking the most elite thinkers and bringing them into a

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<v Speaker 1>new quote natural aristocracy. Franklin, when he creates what becomes

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<v Speaker 1>the University of Pennsylvania, believes the goal is to take

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<v Speaker 1>all people, no matter how brilliant they are or just

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<v Speaker 1>industrious they are, and say everybody will benefit from learning.

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<v Speaker 1>That education should not just be for the well born

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<v Speaker 1>and for the elite, but it should become something that

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<v Speaker 1>every striving person in America had a right to go

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<v Speaker 1>borrow a book from a library, or to be part

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<v Speaker 1>of an academy for the education of youth.

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<v Speaker 2>For someone who joked about struggling with humility and whose

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<v Speaker 2>name ended up on so many things, from the Franklin

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<v Speaker 2>Stove to the one hundred dollars Bill, Franklin loved to

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<v Speaker 2>play with anonymity in his writing, and he did it

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<v Speaker 2>too in his work with the Leather Apron Club.

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<v Speaker 1>Whenever he proposed a civic association, he might write a

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<v Speaker 1>letter to the newspaper, but he said he was always

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<v Speaker 1>very careful to make it that sounded like it was

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<v Speaker 1>his suggestion. In fact, sometimes he would write letters to

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<v Speaker 1>his newspaper under a pseudonym and say, it's been posed

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe we should have a volunteer fire department. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>it's amazing how much you can get done if you

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<v Speaker 1>aren't interested in taking the credit for it.

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<v Speaker 2>He also didn't seem to see any contradiction between being

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<v Speaker 2>this sort of pr man for himself, building up his

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<v Speaker 2>image so that he could use his image, and also

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<v Speaker 2>being the person who slid these ideas in underneath the

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<v Speaker 2>door so that other people would think they were theirs.

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<v Speaker 1>One of his clever insights is if you don't take

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<v Speaker 1>credit for something, if you give somebody else the credit

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<v Speaker 1>for an idea, it'll later become known that you were

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<v Speaker 1>really the person who came up with it, it'll give

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<v Speaker 1>you a lot more benefit to your reputation.

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<v Speaker 2>While the Leather Apron Club was all about banding together

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<v Speaker 2>with other shopkeepers to help one another in the city

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<v Speaker 2>of Philadelphia, for Franklin was also about helping himself in

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom line, the whole doing well by doing good

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<v Speaker 2>maxim But Franklin's affects in his way of encouraging conversation

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes made people question his intentions. You sort of write

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<v Speaker 2>that for a man of his fame, he didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>as many disputes as you might expect. He was able

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<v Speaker 2>to resolve a lot of them, but he does start

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<v Speaker 2>having these conflicts with other printers and eventually with the

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<v Speaker 2>Penn family. And how does he sort of navigate when

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<v Speaker 2>he feels like someone has a raid against him.

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<v Speaker 1>In his Leather Apron Club, they had a way of

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<v Speaker 1>discussing things that he felt would stop it from being

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<v Speaker 1>too disputatious, Like if you disagreed with somebody, instead of

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<v Speaker 1>contradicting them, you'd ask questions. That made Franklin charming at times,

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<v Speaker 1>But after a while this indirectness, slyly asking questions in

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<v Speaker 1>order to get his point across, he ends up alienating

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<v Speaker 1>people who think he's not a fourth right principled person.

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<v Speaker 1>John Adams called him insinuating, And so even though he's

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<v Speaker 1>extraordinarily popular, he's able to rub people the wrong way

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes and make enemies of the people he went into

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<v Speaker 1>business with.

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<v Speaker 2>But for all his flaws, Franklin was still a uniter,

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<v Speaker 2>someone who had an incredible ability to bring people of

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<v Speaker 2>differing persuasions together. When we return from break, we learned

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<v Speaker 2>how Franklin's business trips up and down the East Coast

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<v Speaker 2>gave him a unique perspective on the colonies, and how

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<v Speaker 2>a little cartoon he published quickly became a call to arms.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk a little bit about why Benjamin

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<v Speaker 2>Franklin is so fixated on becoming Postmaster General. Why is

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<v Speaker 2>it that's so key to his business empire.

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<v Speaker 1>Once Franklin has the most successful content and the printing house,

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<v Speaker 1>he also pushes and becomes the postmaster. He realizes, just

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<v Speaker 1>as the cable titans of today realize, that if you

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<v Speaker 1>own the content, you own the distribution system, if you

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<v Speaker 1>have franchises, if you are able to do the printing

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<v Speaker 1>and the publishing, that becomes the path to make him

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<v Speaker 1>the most successful self made business person in America. So

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<v Speaker 1>it becomes the first great media empire.

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<v Speaker 2>In seventeen forty eight, at the age of forty two,

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<v Speaker 2>Franklin retires from daily life at the printing shop, but

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<v Speaker 2>he definitely doesn't stop working. Instead, he hangs up his

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<v Speaker 2>leather apron to concentrate on grander ambitions further afield from

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<v Speaker 2>Market Street. Some of those include the scientific experiments we

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<v Speaker 2>heard about earlier, but in seventeen fifty three he also

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<v Speaker 2>gets to work building a small postal system as Postmaster General.

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<v Speaker 1>Before he became a deputy colonial postmaster, if you wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to send a letter from Philadelphia to Boston, it often

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<v Speaker 1>had to travel all the way to London and back,

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<v Speaker 1>but he created a postal wrote. He was able to

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<v Speaker 1>franchise print shops up and down the coast with his

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<v Speaker 1>former workers or his cousins, sets them up in the

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<v Speaker 1>printing business, shares the Poor Richard's Almanac and the news

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<v Speaker 1>with him, helps them become postmasters, and then ties them

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<v Speaker 1>all together. And then he traveled up and down the coast,

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<v Speaker 1>both looking in on the print shops that he had franchised,

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<v Speaker 1>but also making sure that each postal stop connected and

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<v Speaker 1>that the postmasters and colonial postal system worked. And it

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<v Speaker 1>gave him a unique perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>His love of travel and his desire to sort of

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<v Speaker 2>get out into the world and escape the provincialism of

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<v Speaker 2>wherever he was. How did that sort of shape his

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<v Speaker 2>early views of how America could form.

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<v Speaker 1>Franklin becomes the most traveled person in colonial America. He

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<v Speaker 1>would take tours up and down the colonies as postmaster.

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<v Speaker 1>Partly it helped his business, but most important, it allowed

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<v Speaker 1>him to see the colonies as potentially one unified country.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's at the forefront of this notion of union.

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<v Speaker 1>Up until then, the Virginians had very little in common

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<v Speaker 1>with people from Massachusetts or even Pennsylvania. But he was

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<v Speaker 1>very sociable, so he would go into each town from

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<v Speaker 1>Charleston up to Boston and he would make friends, and

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<v Speaker 1>it helped him form what he eventually created as an

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<v Speaker 1>American Philosophical Society, which is people up and down the

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<v Speaker 1>coast to exchange correspondence about scientific ideas. But it also

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<v Speaker 1>helped him establish a notion of a unified country with

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<v Speaker 1>common enter.

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<v Speaker 2>Even after he gave up his daily work as a printer,

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<v Speaker 2>Ben Franklin kept a hand in the press, so if

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<v Speaker 2>he ever felt a need, it was easy to get

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<v Speaker 2>something into print. In seventeen fifty four, early into his

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<v Speaker 2>stint as Deputy Postmaster General, and in the early months

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<v Speaker 2>of the French and Indian War, he used that perch

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<v Speaker 2>to make a bold statement, one that would change the

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<v Speaker 2>course of American history. Could you describe the join together

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<v Speaker 2>or Die cartoon?

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<v Speaker 1>The different colonies were not working together on things like

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<v Speaker 1>a common defense in the French and Indian War, and

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<v Speaker 1>so he drew a picture of a snake that was

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<v Speaker 1>cut into thirteen segments for each of the colonies, and

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<v Speaker 1>he just said under it, join or die without being

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<v Speaker 1>put together, without holding together, it will die and he's

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<v Speaker 1>saying the colonies should.

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<v Speaker 2>Form a union. I just loved the idea of a

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<v Speaker 2>political cartoon of a single image being so influential.

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<v Speaker 1>Was the first editorial cartoon ever published in America. Is

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to advocate for a position. Ben Franklin wants the

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<v Speaker 1>colonies to join together in some loose union to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to assert their own rights as colonies and also

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<v Speaker 1>fight off the threats from the French and Indian wars,

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<v Speaker 1>and this notion of a colonial unity becomes important to him.

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<v Speaker 2>In the next episode, we watch Franklin's evolution from someone

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<v Speaker 2>merely suggesting the colonies should unite to a full fledged

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<v Speaker 2>revolutionary and we witness how this decision tears this family apart.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody's wondering what side is he going to be on?

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<v Speaker 1>Is he going to remain a loyalist to the crown

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<v Speaker 1>or be on the side of revolution And before he

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<v Speaker 1>can announce it, he has to have a meeting with

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<v Speaker 1>his son William.

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<v Speaker 2>That's next time on Benjamin Franklin. This show is based

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<v Speaker 2>on the writing and research of Walter Isaacson. So stood

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<v Speaker 2>by me. Evan Ratliffe produced mixed and sound designed by

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<v Speaker 2>Anna Rubinova. Adam Bozarth is our consulting producer, Lizzy Jacobs,

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