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Speaker 2: What's going on? Everyone?

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Speaker 3: Welcome to this latest edition of the Minnesota Vikings Podcast.

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Speaker 3: My name is Gabe Henderson, and today we are joined

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Speaker 3: by ESPNS Kevin Seffert, who gives his thoughts on the

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Speaker 3: ever changing newkickoff ard that's set to debut this week

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Speaker 3: for the first time ever in the NFL Hall of

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Speaker 3: Fame game. Also in today's show, we give our thoughts

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Speaker 3: on training camp and what players we believe are set

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Speaker 3: to fill some big.

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Speaker 2: Shoes in twenty twenty four. You don't want to miss it,

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Speaker 2: so let's get right to it.

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Speaker 3: Well, the pads are on and training camp is in

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Speaker 3: full swing as we welcome you to Episode two eighty

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Speaker 3: one of the Minnesota Vikings Podcast. We've got a full

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Speaker 3: room here inside the TCO Radio studio. We've got Tatum,

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Speaker 3: We've got Jay, our producer Eric Davidson, and our guests

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Speaker 3: in today's show, mister Kevin Seyffert from ESPN and Kevin.

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Speaker 3: We are officially at the point of training camp where

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Speaker 3: I have lost track of the days of the week

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Speaker 3: because they don't matter very true, But the point is

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Speaker 3: like football is back, and everyone is excited to have

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Speaker 3: it back. But thinking of that, you've been at every practice,

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Speaker 3: like a majority of us in this room, You've seen

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Speaker 3: every snap, and just understanding where the team is. What

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Speaker 4: You know, we all came in looking at you know,

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know, coach has kind of been

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Speaker 4: No, it's much more intense. And I made the mistake

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Speaker 3: I think the good thing about it, all of it

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Speaker 3: like you don't have any film. I think that's that's

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Speaker 4: And it's made me wonder. We haven't gotten nearly this

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Speaker 4: As a side It's really interesting that they almost didn't

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Speaker 1: But anyway, it's probably a good thing that the Vikings

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Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: Now we are going to potentially see both of them

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Speaker 4: Tough because I think he can't. I'm sure he came

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Speaker 4: the XFL and the USFL and the UFL, and that's

438
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Speaker 4: where this all kind of originated. And that's a great

439
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,680
Speaker 4: use of of those spring leagues to like experiment with

440
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,280
Speaker 4: with new rules and experiment with new ideas and hopefully

441
00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,399
Speaker 4: work out the kinks in time for the NFL to

442
00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,679
Speaker 4: to adopt it, but the NFL changed a bunch of

443
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,200
Speaker 4: details of the XFL kickoff, so that's why we're all

444
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,639
Speaker 4: kind of it's almost like a new rule entirely.

445
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've seen a bunch of people raising their hands saying, wait,

446
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,920
Speaker 5: we can't do on side kicks until the fourth quarter,

447
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 5: and then you have to declare it, like, yeah, how

448
00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:26,359
Speaker 5: big of a change is that going to be? Given

449
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,760
Speaker 5: that it was something that was not necessarily as successful

450
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,080
Speaker 5: as they'd want it to be, But now there's even

451
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Speaker 5: more kind of restrictions on that kind of play.

452
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think, you know, basically the big takeaway

453
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Speaker 4: for that is that you can't do the surprise on

454
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Speaker 4: sidekick anymore, which didn't happen very much frankly, but the

455
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 4: the you know, the possibility always existed and you always

456
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 4: had to be ready for that possibility, but it didn't

457
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 4: it wasn't actually used very often. And you know, maybe

458
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,679
Speaker 4: the fact that the you know, the onside kick was

459
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 4: not really like being recovered even in the fourth quarter

460
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Speaker 4: very much. So I don't know that it can be

461
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 4: recovered much less than or be any less successful than

462
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,880
Speaker 4: it was prior to and it probably continues to put

463
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,120
Speaker 4: an emphasis on in your late game game management, like

464
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,880
Speaker 4: trying to avoid needing to you know, whether it's going

465
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Speaker 4: for two or whether it's going for fourth down when

466
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 4: you you know, when you have a chance to score late,

467
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,880
Speaker 4: or not going for a field goal, going for a touchdown,

468
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 4: like those kind of things that just to avoid needing

469
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Speaker 4: to recover an outside kick because whether it was last

470
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Speaker 4: year or this year, the chances of it are pretty unlikely.

471
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Speaker 5: And I mean they talked about even doing away with

472
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Speaker 5: it completely and doing like a fourth and fifteen style

473
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Speaker 5: player or something like that. So like there's been discussion

474
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Speaker 5: for a while as this there might be something changed here.

475
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Speaker 5: So I'm curious to see if there is anyone who says,

476
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Speaker 5: like listen, we're down, you know, four touchdowns in the

477
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Speaker 5: third quarter, like we'd like to have the option to

478
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Speaker 5: do it, or if there's anything that adjusts with it.

479
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Speaker 2: But I am curious to see it. Yea in the NFL.

480
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Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's been done in the thing in

481
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Speaker 4: the USFL and the XFL, and the NFL has proposed

482
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Speaker 4: it several times in their off seasons, and owners there's

483
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Speaker 4: so many owners who think it's just too gimmicky that

484
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 4: like it just changes a fundamental thing, like the whole

485
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 4: game after a score, you're kicking off except us one time,

486
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Speaker 4: and it just you know, we can argue about whether

487
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Speaker 4: it really is gimmicky, but there's enough owners that feel

488
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Speaker 4: that way that it just has not been popularized.

489
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Speaker 3: I'm interested to see, like how much we'll see in

490
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Speaker 3: the preseason, right because you do you treat it like offense?

491
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Speaker 4: It would be classic, Yeah, be classic NFL. And are

492
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Speaker 4: you talking about the kickoff or just the one? Well,

493
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 4: just like team's actual strategy. Yeah, it's like is this

494
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 4: brand new rule? No one's ever done it before. More

495
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 4: than anything, they need to see it in live action.

496
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Speaker 4: But we don't want to give our secrets away. So

497
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Speaker 4: like how much do you like protect your your schematic

498
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 4: ideas versus how much value do you put in trying

499
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Speaker 4: them out to see if they work in the first place.

500
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Speaker 3: Like I'm thinking of joint practices right now, right, Like, yeah,

501
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,160
Speaker 3: you practice it probably every day that you're there.

502
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Speaker 2: It's probably more likely to see it there.

503
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 4: It's still in public, but it's not like being broadcast

504
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 4: in the NFL network.

505
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Speaker 2: I think.

506
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Speaker 3: I mean, if I'm the Browns I'm not I'm not

507
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 3: showing I'm not showing my personnel for a kickoff. Like

508
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 3: it's like it's kind of like you don't want to give.

509
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 4: A team yeah, rich, Yeah, I mean like part of

510
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 4: it though, like like people.

511
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 2: Are it's gonna be one or two returners.

512
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Speaker 4: There's probably almost definitely gonna be two returners because if

513
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 4: you don't feel the kick and it rolls into the

514
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 4: end zone in a touch back, then it's going to

515
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 4: go to the twenty yard line. You don't want to

516
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 4: be at the twenty when you have it returned. So

517
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Speaker 4: like they're there, I think there. You know that part

518
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Speaker 4: I don't think is going to be a big secret.

519
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 4: And so the things that are gonna be secrets are

520
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 4: like things of an average fan watching it may not

521
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 4: even see the difference of like like you know, what

522
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 4: type of blocking scheme. Is it going to be like

523
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 4: an outside zone blocking scheme that you would do on

524
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 4: a random run play, or is it going to be

525
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 4: some something else? And so it'll it'll be things that

526
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 4: are really important to the coaches and players and to

527
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,360
Speaker 4: the outcome of the play, but things that I don't

528
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 4: know if most people would like see a big difference.

529
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Speaker 3: In like, yeah, I mean I'm just thinking of like

530
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Speaker 3: what position groups are or I don't know, my brain

531
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Speaker 3: just racist like what positioned groups are prioritized.

532
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 4: Now, well, I mean, like the initial reaction was that

533
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 4: this is going to since be more of an offense

534
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 4: defense play and you're going to probably have more running

535
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 4: backs returning kicks than you are a receiver type. Builds

536
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Speaker 4: got that you would potentially have more offensive liney type

537
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Speaker 4: people or big tight ends on your return team up front.

538
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 4: And if that's the case, then the coverage teams would

539
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 4: have to have people big enough to not get eaten

540
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 4: up by the big blockers. If that's is all how

541
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Speaker 4: it turns out, and maybe that's part of what you know,

542
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 4: teams want to protect is exactly who they would be using,

543
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Speaker 4: and so that teams have to guess who to deploy.

544
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Speaker 1: That seems really hard to like, that seems like a

545
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: really tough decision heading into roster cut down down. Yeah,

546
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Speaker 1: and you haven't seen anything in the preseason or you're

547
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Speaker 1: unsure what other.

548
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Speaker 2: Teams are doing, or do you make that decision?

549
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 1: How do you make the call between getting the two

550
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: different body types.

551
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Speaker 6: Do you go more you know, big or do you

552
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 6: go smaller.

553
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 4: Or do you just say, like, who are our best players?

554
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 4: You know, if you get down to like the last

555
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 4: six or seven people, you're trying to figure out who's

556
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 4: making the team, and there's like three spots for six people,

557
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 4: like and do you just take the three biggest guys

558
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 4: or do you take the three people you think are

559
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 4: just the best blockers and don't care about their size,

560
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Speaker 4: And so that'll be different, you know, something to think

561
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 4: about as well.

562
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Speaker 5: Yeah, with that kind of stuff, it's always kind of

563
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 5: crazy to think, you know, the amount of decisions that

564
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 5: are always made for the fifty three man roster is

565
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 5: usually hey, let's keep an extra you know, corner and

566
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 5: a wide receiver that kind of thing. But now it

567
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 5: might be more linebackery, you know, outside linebacker DN type

568
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 5: guys that are more kind of typically athletic if you

569
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Speaker 5: need them to be blockers and that kind of stuff.

570
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and it'll it'll depend on what the special

571
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Speaker 4: teams coach you know, comes up with in terms of

572
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 4: what the scheme is going to be and what he

573
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Speaker 4: and maybe what he thinks is best for the people

574
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Speaker 4: they're gonna end up keeping, Like what's the it could

575
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 4: be a chicken and egg thing of like you create

576
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 4: the scheme based on the players that you're that the

577
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 4: head coach decided to keep, or you are you keeping

578
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 4: players based on the scheme that the special teams coach

579
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 4: wants to use.

580
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Speaker 5: Speaking of special teams, you know they made a decision

581
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 5: and uh with Riikert and kind of anointing him and

582
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 5: giving him the job at this point, anything you've seen

583
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 5: from him at camp so far this year, any kind

584
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 5: of questions you have.

585
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 4: No, I mean he was he was lights out in

586
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 4: the spring, like we like, I don't remember seeing him

587
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 4: miss a kick in the spring. And then there was

588
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,959
Speaker 4: that very last ota where he was you know, the

589
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 4: indoor facility. There's that sort of viewing deck. I don't

590
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 4: know if anyone's ever actually been on that viewing deck,

591
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 4: but perch, the perch and the behind the no, not

592
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 4: on the side behind it, behind the goal posts. There's

593
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 4: like something out there where you could like put a

594
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 4: camera maybe or something, but like it looks like like

595
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 4: you'd have to be able to scale a wall to

596
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Speaker 4: do it.

597
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 2: I don't know how you get up anyway. Have you

598
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 2: been up there? No?

599
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,719
Speaker 4: But it's like way it's like a it's high and

600
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 4: he kept hitting it. Yeah, I mean it was just

601
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 4: like incredible kicks. Is the long way of me saying that.

602
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 4: It was just like a great demonstration of leg talent.

603
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 4: I guess that's the best way to put it. So

604
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 4: like that was so I came in to camp think

605
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,719
Speaker 4: about miss guys you know, like clearly special as far

606
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 4: as kicking goes, and and there was never really much

607
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 4: doubt that you draft a kicker, and like there really

608
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 4: has to be a big problem for him not to

609
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 4: be the person that's going to win the job. And

610
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 4: there was no sense keeping a second kicker when you

611
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 4: have to have injuries at other positions. And then of

612
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 4: course yesterday they had sort of a game type scenario

613
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 4: and he had a bunch of fifty yard attempts and

614
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 4: I think he missed a couple of those, and you

615
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 4: don't necessarily hold fifty yard miss against people. And so,

616
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 4: I you know, all indications are that they you know,

617
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 4: this is gonna be the guy, and that you know,

618
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 4: if there are any rookie you know waves, they'll ride

619
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Speaker 4: it out.

620
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Speaker 2: I love it.

621
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Speaker 3: As we close today's show, I want to get everyone's

622
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 3: reaction just understanding that next week it'll be officially game week,

623
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 3: whether it's preseason or not, we are gearing up to

624
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 3: face someone not wearing purple. So going into next week,

625
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: what do you want to steep? Do you want to

626
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 3: see from this Vikings team that can get them prepared

627
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 3: for next Saturday?

628
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 2: I believe you.

629
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 4: Know I I don't know that in terms of preparation,

630
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 4: but like, I'll just be interested to see what you know.

631
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 4: For me, like just knowing what ESPN audience wants to

632
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 4: hear about. Is be interested see what their plan as

633
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 4: a quarterback and is Sam Darnold going to play? We

634
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 4: talked about that earlier. How much will JJ McCarthy play

635
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 4: and how will they do the rest of the snaps

636
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 4: like that to me is far and away. And I

637
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 4: know football is a team game, fifty three roster spots,

638
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 4: but like far and away, and not just from an

639
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 4: ESPN audience perspective, but from an organizational perspective. That's far

640
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 4: and away what I think everybody's going to look at

641
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 4: every preces.

642
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard, it's hard not to say, that's exactly

643
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: what I want to be watching.

644
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: And I got to go first.

645
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, And I'm excited to see how

646
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: that cornerback room kind of plays out. I know that

647
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: there's a lot of fresh faces people that have just

648
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: coming in here not really knowing Brian floor as a scheme.

649
00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 6: They haven't been at Mini camp.

650
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: They've been and so they're kind of like drinking from

651
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: a fire hydrant.

652
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 6: At this point.

653
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: So so those guys, I'm interested to see the mix

654
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: of them, where that depth is going to come from.

655
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 6: Who's kind of outranking who.

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Speaker 1: As you said, there's so many new faces that the

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Speaker 1: in the dB room that this team is brought in,

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Speaker 1: So I'm excited.

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Speaker 6: To see how that is going to shake out.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for me, it's usually the who is the bright

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Speaker 5: shining star that people didn't predict kind of your feeling digs.

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Speaker 5: I even paced type guys that really jump out in

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Speaker 5: those first three games that make a roster spot and

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Speaker 5: you say, man, this guy really earned it. There's been

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Speaker 5: a lot of talk in the off season as far

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Speaker 5: as you know, who's stood out so far, especially the

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Speaker 5: young guys. But once they actually get into game action

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Speaker 5: and you get you know, guys making a pick six

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Speaker 5: or something like that and really stand out, that's when

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Speaker 5: for those guys the hype train really kicks in of

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Speaker 5: you know, is he going to make the roster? So

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Speaker 5: that's the stuff I always look forward to and enjoy

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Speaker 5: it as much as possible. And so we'll see what

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Speaker 5: happens here starting in August tenth. And then, like we

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Speaker 5: talked about before with Cleveland, all those you know, joint

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Speaker 5: practice isn't everything and the hype leading up to that,

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Speaker 5: so it'll be fun. And then on top of that

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Speaker 5: is which veterans are they going to actually sit, you know,

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Speaker 5: the guys that just don't even walk out with pads

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Speaker 5: that you start to get an indication a little bit

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Speaker 5: of who who are they protecting at that point to

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Speaker 5: say this guy's already made the roster, it's not an issue.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think those are all really good points. I'm

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Speaker 3: just thinking about why receiver depth outside of Jalen Naylor,

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Speaker 3: who's had a really good camp thus far, Like what

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Speaker 3: other receivers are going to really step up? Like we've

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Speaker 3: seen a Trisian Jackson, we've seen Brandon Powell, we've seen

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Speaker 3: Lucky Jackson, a few other guys make Trent Shurfield make

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Speaker 3: some plays, but it's like, all right, what guys are

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Speaker 3: kind of going to solidify themselves as Okay, I can play,

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Speaker 3: and I'm gonna make it hard on Keendon mccardo once

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Speaker 3: roster cut down day comes up here in the late August.

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Speaker 3: So a lot of exciting times.

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Speaker 4: Two words Thomas there, Thomas in singing state, I don't

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Speaker 4: want people to hear yet.

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Speaker 3: He's he's so consistent, but he's so like every play,

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Speaker 3: you know what you're getting with him. He's going to

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Speaker 3: run the same route at the right at the right height,

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Speaker 3: the right stem. Everything's going to look to park. I mean,

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Speaker 3: how athletic that looks. That's up to the eye. But

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Speaker 3: you know, every time the ball is going his way,

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Speaker 3: he's going to catch it and he's going to get

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Speaker 3: the yard is that he needs to get.

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Speaker 1: And they've been using a bit on special teams as

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Speaker 1: far as returns and sopll punt return and.

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Speaker 4: I just I go more about what I hear from

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Speaker 4: the coaches, and Kevin O'Connell has mentioned him a lot

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Speaker 4: as somebody who made a big jump from where he was.

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Speaker 2: At last year.

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Speaker 3: This time preseason will be fun. Any upcoming content articles

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Speaker 3: vikings fans can expect from ESPN.

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Speaker 4: Gonna keep working on a couple of things we talked

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Speaker 4: about today. Just when we get through the second week,

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna kind of try to review what I've seen

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Speaker 4: of JJ McCarthy and also going to try to see

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Speaker 4: where the you know, the the changes in the defensive

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Speaker 4: backfield have kind of left the Vikings and Brian Flores

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Speaker 4: schematically at that point.

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Speaker 3: So much so much to get to the fun time.

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Speaker 3: The fun thing is that it is football season and

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Speaker 3: we finally get to talk about something that actually is

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Speaker 3: going to play.

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Speaker 2: Out the real action.

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Speaker 3: So I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: Kevin.

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Speaker 3: Always a pleasure having you on our p Well, thanks

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Speaker 3: for having me, Well, Vikings fans. Before we end today's show,

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Speaker 3: I want to make sure you guys head on over

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Speaker 3: to Vikings dot com slash camp to stay up to

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Speaker 3: date on everything that's going on during this Vikings camp

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Speaker 3: this year. This upcoming Monday, August fifth, is the night

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Speaker 3: practice is sold out as of right now, but we

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Speaker 3: will be live streaming on Fox nine. I believe practice

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Speaker 3: starts at seven o'clock, so make sure you tune in

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Speaker 3: beforehand to get all of the insights, all of the

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Speaker 3: analysis from our voice of the Vikings Paul Allen, Pete Bursich, Tatum,

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Speaker 3: Everett will be there as long as myself and so

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Speaker 3: many more analysts. There is going to be so much

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Speaker 3: fun that night, and I'm so excited to get that

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Speaker 3: thing going. In the meantime, we finally get to talk

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Speaker 3: about another team, and I know you guys are excited

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Speaker 3: about that also, because on August tenth, the Vikings will

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Speaker 3: play the Las Vegas Raiders at home in preseason game

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Speaker 3: number one, and next week we will have all of

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Speaker 3: your updates heading into that week. So for our producer

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Speaker 3: Eric Davidson, j Notes Send, Tatum Everett, and our guest

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Speaker 3: Kevin Seffert. My name is Gabe Henderson. We will talk

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Speaker 3: to you guys again next week.

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