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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford and he is the one and

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Speaker 1: only Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to hear from our studios

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Speaker 1: at lambeau Field and West As. We have to continue

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Speaker 1: to wait, unfortunately, until the Packers coaching hires are official

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Speaker 1: to talk about what is going on, particularly with the

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Speaker 1: to find out exactly how this is going to take shape.

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Speaker 1: But in the meantime, let's talk about defense. Because the

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Speaker 1: NFL playoffs are down to the final eight, uh, the

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Speaker 1: got five of these eight teams are ranked in the

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Speaker 1: certainly about how to get this far, particularly for some

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Speaker 1: have that franchise Hall of Fame quarterback running the show

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Speaker 1: on the other side. Minnesota first and total defense, Jacksonville

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Speaker 1: Of those eight teams, the top three defenses left in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, all have questions at quarterback, and with all

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Speaker 1: due respect the case Keenum has had a magnificent run.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many defensive coordinators out there right

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Speaker 1: now are worried about case Keenum. I think he's shown

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Speaker 1: completion percentage isn't where you needed to be, they can

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Speaker 1: same time, Mike more and more with these had coaching

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Speaker 1: hires that are being made. For a while, it was

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Speaker 1: it still is. I mean, you look at um Naggy

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Speaker 1: But there's been some of these guys that have kind

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Speaker 1: of the world now that are leading the charge. But conversely,

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Speaker 1: you also have teams that are trying to find the

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Speaker 1: I think it's really an interesting cat and mosk and

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Speaker 1: He never got them to a Super Bowl, and you know,

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Speaker 1: they felt it was time to make a change and

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Speaker 1: they went from from um a guy like Smith to

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Speaker 1: should have won it. They're in position now, you know,

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Speaker 1: to this Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford in

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Speaker 1: this chair, Wes Hodkowitz in that one, and west Um

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Speaker 1: But in the meantime, the Packers have also lost um

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Speaker 1: highly ranked personnel executives in Elliott wolf and Alonso Highsmith.

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Speaker 1: the Browns the own sixteen team here from there are

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Speaker 1: able to to to take some of those eight yard

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Speaker 1: runs and make them more explosive plays. Whereas Aaron Jones,

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Speaker 1: he knows if he can work on his past protection,

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Speaker 1: he'll get on the field more and be more reliable

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Speaker 1: in an every down sense. But with that, we've got

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Speaker 1: to call it a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted.

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Speaker 1: Spofford at Packers for the team account. Thanks for tuning in, everybody.

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