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Speaker 5: Get April twentieth, twenty twenty six, episode five ninety two
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Speaker 6: I have even more respect for you, buddy. Yeah, it's
Speaker 6: not easy, but we're here. I'm excited to talk fights.
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Speaker 5: got my number, all right? A lot to get to today.
Speaker 5: Alexander Hernandez, the Great ape belt chan Klango, who fights
Speaker 5: this weekend against Rafa Garcia, featured about from the Ufcapex,
Speaker 5: will join us in about ninety minutes.
Speaker 7: A lot to get to.
Speaker 5: Before we get there, we will recap UFC Fight Night
Speaker 5: Burns versus Malotte Gilbertorino. Burns is off into retirement. We'll
Speaker 5: talk to his podcast co host Matty Betts from Home
Speaker 5: of Fight about him and Hanato Moykano. We do have
Speaker 5: a couple of predictions coming up. UFC Fight Night Sterling
Speaker 5: versus The Lal. I don't know if Ray Longo is
Speaker 5: in Las Vegas or getting ready to be wheels up
Speaker 5: to Las Vegas to Corno al Jo Ornapa. We of course,
Speaker 5: we'll talk to Ray Longo ur J Clifford coming up
Speaker 5: in about ten minutes. Jason Andik is gonna join us.
Speaker 5: I mean, who am I forgetting? I don't even know.
Speaker 5: But let's get to the meat and bones of the program.
Speaker 5: Let's get to headlines, headlines.
Speaker 8: It's time for headlines.
Speaker 1: I have some very urgent and important breaking new headlines.
Speaker 2: And Kenny sans concast.
Speaker 5: All right, lead story today, Phil Defreese KSW heavyweight champion.
Speaker 5: Kenny is looking right into the camera as if to say,
Speaker 5: I did not prepare for this, so not necessarily the
Speaker 5: lead story, but across my a few minutes before we
Speaker 5: began the program, right, do you remember Philda Freese?
Speaker 7: I do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So you and I called a few of his
Speaker 5: early fights. You called his fight the night upon which
Speaker 5: Connor McGregor made his UFC debut April sixth, twenty thirteen,
Speaker 5: first pay per view. I worked UFC one fifty five.
Speaker 5: He fought on that card as well. He was released
Speaker 5: from the UFC in twenty thirteen. And I'm on MMA
Speaker 5: Junkie this morning. Fourteen straight heavyweight title defenses in KSW
Speaker 5: for Philda Freeze.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's crazy and Kiss Kiss organization and tough, tough guys.
Speaker 5: A lot of things can happen in heavyweight mixed martial arts.
Speaker 5: He's won sixteen straight fights overall. We have talked about
Speaker 5: the fact that there isn't a universal MMA Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5: Patrecio Pitbull I mentioned a UFC three twenty seven would
Speaker 5: be a primary entry, But dude, like this is at
Speaker 5: least on paper, and I can't profess to having seen
Speaker 5: anything but highlights on paper. This is, like all of fame,
Speaker 5: largely unprecedented stuff. Right, Fourteen title defense is the standard
Speaker 5: upon which all great champions are judged. Is how many
Speaker 5: banners are hanging? How many times do you defend the title?
Speaker 5: Fourteen times?
Speaker 6: It's very impressive, especially considering the fact that so much
Speaker 6: can go wrong in a heavyweight title fight, right, I mean,
Speaker 6: you're talking about heavyweights swinging leather. One shot, even one
Speaker 6: bad shot, is all it takes, you know, to the dome.
Speaker 6: So the fact that he has had experience that level
Speaker 6: of consistency is extremely impressive.
Speaker 5: All Right, congratulations to Phil the Freeze. We will now
Speaker 5: turn our attention to UFC fight Night Burns versus Malot
Speaker 5: and indeed the final fight for Gilbert Burns a lot
Speaker 5: of headlines on the winter side as well.
Speaker 7: Mike Malot, you like him a lot.
Speaker 5: The Canadian comes to yet again TKO at the two
Speaker 5: to oh eight mark of round three. I didn't stick
Speaker 5: around to see him acknowledge the Canadian fans. Did he
Speaker 5: get out of Michael's day? This has been my dream
Speaker 5: since I was twelve to be here with you folks
Speaker 5: in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. This isn't my atriotism coming through necessarily.
Speaker 5: But did you stick around for the post fight interview
Speaker 5: or are you too busy with the robot fights.
Speaker 7: I did not see that.
Speaker 6: I did not see the post fight speech, but I
Speaker 6: did see the performance, man, and he was on point.
Speaker 6: I mean, landing shot after shot that really was reeling
Speaker 6: Gilbert Burns. And you know what was a little bit
Speaker 6: of a concern was the delayed effect that some of
Speaker 6: those shots had. There was like a little bit of
Speaker 6: a pause after he got hit and then he would
Speaker 6: drop And to me, that's not a good sign. And
Speaker 6: you know, we'll talk about Gilbert's thoughts on that in
Speaker 6: his career. But Molot was on point, man. He was
Speaker 6: looking really sharp. He was taking advantage of all the
Speaker 6: things that he should have been taking advantage of during
Speaker 6: that fight, his height, his length, keeping him at the
Speaker 6: end of those punches, keeping burns at the end of
Speaker 6: those punches, and yeah, not a whole lot to talk about,
Speaker 6: just because it was so dominant and it didn't last
Speaker 6: too long.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean boxing, Look, crisp, he is never sort
Speaker 5: of fake by the magnitude of the moment, and certainly,
Speaker 5: carrying the flag and the proverbial torch for your country,
Speaker 5: it's not always the easiest thing to do. And he
Speaker 5: is that guy right now in Canada. And the extent
Speaker 5: to which he can contender how high the ceiling is,
Speaker 5: I really don't know. He's knocking down the cones in
Speaker 5: front of him and he's doing it with style points, right,
Speaker 5: I mean, Gilbert is a game fighter who has been
Speaker 5: there and done that. As we live in the malot side,
Speaker 5: what do you think about him when you think about
Speaker 5: you know, the Carlos Protests of the World, Jack Della
Speaker 5: Matta Lane, those two guys are headlining here in less
Speaker 5: than two weeks, right, I mean, how do you think
Speaker 5: he stacks up with the elite of the elite at
Speaker 5: one hundred and seventy pounds.
Speaker 6: Well, first of all, I certainly think it's going to
Speaker 6: be a confidence builder coming off of a win over
Speaker 6: a big name like Gilbert Burns. I think is going
Speaker 6: to do wondrous for his confidence moving forward as he
Speaker 6: takes on more difficult competition. Now about that more difficult competition,
Speaker 6: I think he can crack in to, you know, and
Speaker 6: beat some of those elite guys. I think he may
Speaker 6: start to run into some trouble if he hasn't solved
Speaker 6: the issues with his willingness to just want to brawl
Speaker 6: at times. But from what I've seen, he has fought
Speaker 6: a lot smarter. He has stuck to game plans much better.
Speaker 6: But you know, he is such a fighter that sometimes
Speaker 6: he will just throw down, sometimes blindly, and those are
Speaker 6: the things at the highest levels that can get you
Speaker 6: in trouble. Now, I think my lot has matured a lot,
Speaker 6: and I think that he could post some problems for
Speaker 6: some of those elite guys, but we'll see. I think
Speaker 6: taking the right matchups is going to be critical as
Speaker 6: he gets more experienced. But he's good everywhere. John, He's
Speaker 6: a great athlete. He's got knockout power. He's proven that
Speaker 6: time and time again. He has the toughness. For me,
Speaker 6: it just comes down to execution a game plan and
Speaker 6: managing those injuries properly.
Speaker 5: He doesn't seem to be in any rush to sort
Speaker 5: of expedite a title run. Cody Merrow or Producer in
Speaker 5: the chat saying privately here huge myss to not call
Speaker 5: someone out in the postfight. So there wasn't a call
Speaker 5: out after the fact, And some of these guys are
Speaker 5: certainly matched up. We mentioned protests and yeah, Jack at
Speaker 5: Elena and Sean Brady and Joaquin Buckley. But I do
Speaker 5: believe that it behooves you as a fighter to try
Speaker 5: to spin it forward with every moment you have, and
Speaker 5: there are a few bigger moments than in the octagon
Speaker 5: after a big win like that. Definitely well that there's
Speaker 5: necessarily an obvious call out there. You know, Kamara Usman
Speaker 5: is a fruitless call out because he's not gonna fight you.
Speaker 5: Ian Mashaidogary, I think probably is going to get Islami Kashev, Right,
Speaker 5: Balah Muhammad matched up with Gabriel Bonfieme, you got Michael
Speaker 5: venim Page, who I think you just don't call out, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, no one wants to fight him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Serbian udo Schmititch with some big things potentially
Speaker 5: and the works for him coming up. We'll see how
Speaker 5: it all plays out. But uh yeah, I'm intrigued by
Speaker 5: Mike Malat. You know, it had me thinking about Joe
Speaker 5: Pifer right in terms of his relative ceiling in eighty
Speaker 5: five and mallots at well rounded guys. They know how
Speaker 5: to grapple. They're willing grapplers, but maybe they strike more
Speaker 5: in mma. I'm intrigued, but I hope it's a big
Speaker 5: name and a big fight for malt Yeah, definitely. Where's
Speaker 5: me Lot ranked right now? Cody get It's a great question.
Speaker 5: I don't think he came into this fight. No, he
Speaker 5: was ranked. He was ranked maybe like thirteen or something
Speaker 5: something so, but Gilbert Burns had the red corner, had
Speaker 5: the higher ranking, and now Gilbert Durinho Burns goes off
Speaker 5: into retirement. Accomplished a great deal for the Brazilian jiu
Speaker 5: jitsu community as a crossover into mixed martial arts, and
Speaker 5: perhaps that's a big chunk of his legacy. I do
Speaker 5: believe his fight against Haamza chimayav At UFC two seventy
Speaker 5: three in twenty twenty two. Paul Felder has said in
Speaker 5: his broadcasting career, that's the best fight he's ever called.
Speaker 5: I think the fight between Gilbert Burns and Kamzat Chimaya
Speaker 5: ends up being the conduit through which Gilbert has his
Speaker 5: career acknowledged in the Hall of Fame. But what is
Speaker 5: your biggest takeaway from the uh the career of Gilbert
Speaker 5: Urinho Burns.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this was a former world champion in Brazilian jiu
Speaker 6: jitsu who clearly had a whole lot of talent, and
Speaker 6: I think it it's tough to manage when you go
Speaker 6: into mixed martial arts sometimes when you're coming from another
Speaker 6: modality like wrestling or jiu jitsu or what have you,
Speaker 6: because sometimes you spend so long in that other domain
Speaker 6: that you don't give yourself enough time to learn.
Speaker 7: The other aspects of mixed martial arts.
Speaker 6: And you know, perhaps we can blame a little that
Speaker 6: little bit of that, you know, for Gilbert, But either way,
Speaker 6: I think he had a spectacular career. I think he
Speaker 6: was always very honest with him with himself, which I
Speaker 6: think you have to be when you're a professional athlete,
Speaker 6: looking at yourself very honestly, figuring out what you know,
Speaker 6: where you need to improve, how you need to train.
Speaker 6: He trained with one of the best teams in the world.
Speaker 6: He had a lot of success, had some big fights.
Speaker 6: I think a lot of people will remember him for
Speaker 6: some of his losses. You know, even in defeat, I
Speaker 6: thought he was impressive against guys like Hamzat Chimayev had
Speaker 6: had Kamara Uzman hurt at one point during their fight
Speaker 6: for the belt, and you know, so I think Gilbert
Speaker 6: has nothing to be ashamed of. I really appreciated his
Speaker 6: candor after the fight, talking about his career and what
Speaker 6: he wants to accomplish next and how he wants to
Speaker 6: maybe help the next generation, either with jiu jitsu or
Speaker 6: mixed martial arts or you know, as a manager.
Speaker 7: Perhaps. So loved hearing that.
Speaker 6: Gilbert seems like a really, really nice guy man, and again,
Speaker 6: very few people will accomplish what.
Speaker 7: He has in the UFC.
Speaker 5: You and I called so many shows in Brazil in
Speaker 5: the early days. I think I did twenty eight shows
Speaker 5: over there, right. We used to go six times a year,
Speaker 5: and there were so many big moments for Gilbert that
Speaker 5: I remember calling over there. So he came to the
Speaker 5: UFC pretty Green he was seven and oh as a
Speaker 5: pro vaulted to ten and oh after submitting Alex Olivera.
Speaker 5: The Damien Mayo win certainly comes to mind, Kenny, you know,
Speaker 5: the tyront Woodley win to sort of punctuate that winning
Speaker 5: streak and earn the title fight. He did hurt Kamar
Speaker 5: Usman in the title fight, and you know, last win
Speaker 5: came against Je Mosfietal and he does close the book
Speaker 5: with five successive losses, all against elite competition, top flight
Speaker 5: one or two rank contender's former world champions Jack Dela,
Speaker 5: Mattalena and Bell Blad Muhammad uh did I almost call
Speaker 5: him Bella? Sorry blal ha ha. The fight with HAMZACHIMAIV
Speaker 5: is going to go into the UFC Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5: I think that is an eventual l all right, let's
Speaker 5: get to our uh, our hall of fame analyst. Now
Speaker 5: some people know him as Randall. I don't know if
Speaker 5: his mother goes by r J these days. I know
Speaker 5: I am one of the few people who reserves the
Speaker 5: right to call him Randall.
Speaker 7: But let's get to uh. Let's get to r J Clifford.
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Speaker 5: You a discussion of nine.
Speaker 2: This is rated R no.
Speaker 3: Fighting. That's that's the fun part.
Speaker 10: It's like Hanso from the Zoolanders. So we can haunt
Speaker 10: right now, dude, Like, well, think about.
Speaker 11: It, Like I don't know who he is. I just
Speaker 11: know he's ar wrestler. I you know, googled him.
Speaker 5: Oh I got chills. I didn't know we were deputing
Speaker 5: the intro today. I know we have a lot of
Speaker 5: high profile female voiceover artists in the works, but you know,
Speaker 5: I like to lead with your fighting career, and that
Speaker 5: made it in there. R J Clifford is Live with
Speaker 5: Us Rated RJ. My Man, good Monday morning to you.
Speaker 10: How we feel fantastic, John, there is no one on
Speaker 10: earth more proud of a four and three mixed martial
Speaker 10: arts career than John Anick.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that, my leader of my fan club.
Speaker 5: Hey, if I'm a UFC consultant in a few years,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna recommend that they give r J Clifford a
Speaker 5: play by play opportunity. But you could be an analyst too.
Speaker 5: That's the thing that's why we hired you. You know,
Speaker 5: at least for now. It's great to have you with us, brothers.
Speaker 5: So were you in Winnipeg, Manitoba or.
Speaker 2: No, I was?
Speaker 10: I was, Yes, I was American Ninja Warriors over crack
Speaker 10: pipes and some zero temperatures, but very friendly people in Winnipeg,
Speaker 10: and they were very very happy to have the UFC
Speaker 10: in town and they showed out.
Speaker 3: Man, Canadian fans always do.
Speaker 7: So when's your next week off?
Speaker 5: Incidentally? Are you going to the Apex this weekend?
Speaker 10: Or no, I'm actually this one. Yeah, I didn't know
Speaker 10: I had this one off, they said, stuck up on me.
Speaker 10: So yeah, the wife's out of town, she's got work,
Speaker 10: so it's just me and the six year olds daddy
Speaker 10: daughter dates all weekend long. I get to watch a
Speaker 10: fight on my couch with a beer in hand, the
Speaker 10: way God wanted it to be.
Speaker 7: So it's great, great, No, it really is. Right.
Speaker 5: I do think about the next time I get to
Speaker 5: sit down and watch a numbered event. You know, I
Speaker 5: don't know when that will be. Not gonna have a
Speaker 5: health related issue, right, but to think about fully never,
Speaker 5: but man, well thank you. But it is like I
Speaker 5: would get so excited for those big fights when I
Speaker 5: was watching just as spectator, even watching on the desk
Speaker 5: and sort of unleash my inner lunatic.
Speaker 7: But anyway, it's great to have you with us.
Speaker 5: So, you know, when Joe Pifer beats his her a
Speaker 5: lot of sonia or Mike Mallot wins a fight, sometimes
Speaker 5: I find myself immediately thinking about, well, how good can
Speaker 5: they actually be? Right, Michael Morales goes out and beat
Speaker 5: Sean Brady and now everybody feels pretty convicted in the
Speaker 5: fact that he can be a world champion. So what
Speaker 5: do you see from from Mike Malot other than that
Speaker 5: beautiful red and white flag behind him.
Speaker 10: Well, I I'm like you, I like a lot a
Speaker 10: lot as well. I mean the way and he's constantly
Speaker 10: hitting better too, which is the other good part. Like
Speaker 10: even just his last fight against Kevin Holland, he got
Speaker 10: taken down because he threw a naked leg kick and
Speaker 10: got got punched. He's been hiding his kicks better now
Speaker 10: and then just you know, just one fight later, the
Speaker 10: way he shifts into range is awesome. Like he's very
Speaker 10: like Dustin Pourrier and of course very very well rounded. Right,
Speaker 10: he's getting harder to take down. He seems to be
Speaker 10: getting smarter. It was his first you know, five round
Speaker 10: main events obviously only went you know three plus or you.
Speaker 3: Know two and a half.
Speaker 10: But I think the biggest thing is how much he's
Speaker 10: improving too, right, Like, he's certainly not a finished product,
Speaker 10: and he keeps getting better.
Speaker 3: I'm really curious, Kenny. It's pretty dangerous shifting.
Speaker 10: That's why you don't see it a lot in box
Speaker 10: and he's been able to pull it off against you know,
Speaker 10: a fantastic Gilbert Burns who's three months away from being forty.
Speaker 3: You think it's gonna get him in trouble moving forward?
Speaker 3: Or is he?
Speaker 7: Should he stick with it?
Speaker 6: You know, I think a lot of it is context.
Speaker 6: It's like how how you're doing it. Are you disguising
Speaker 6: it with feints? Are you doing it with an angle
Speaker 6: or are you just doing it as you're exchanging. If
Speaker 6: you're doing it as you're exchanging, which he kind of
Speaker 6: has done in the past, then he's going to find
Speaker 6: himself in big trouble. He's going to catch those shots
Speaker 6: kind of like how Mandel Nalo did, which I can't
Speaker 6: stop thinking about.
Speaker 7: But yeah, you know, I think that I think he's talented.
Speaker 6: There's no question about that I think with this win,
Speaker 6: I think it makes it complicated because how much of
Speaker 6: it was Mike Mallatt and how much of it was
Speaker 6: maybe a little bit of a decline in Gilbert Burns's.
Speaker 7: Skill or his age. So I think that's something that
Speaker 7: people are going to question. What do you think about that?
Speaker 10: Ar Jie Well, I think Gilbert, I mean, do we
Speaker 10: want to get into Gilbert Burns now?
Speaker 3: Because I got so much on that, but let's do it.
Speaker 3: I mean he was just like, like, no, obviously all
Speaker 3: fighters like give.
Speaker 10: A lot to Mma, what Gilbert Burns gave a ton
Speaker 10: Like I saw some kind of like MI Mike Mallot
Speaker 10: hate afterwards, and then it took me a minute to
Speaker 10: real It's like it's more like Gilbert Burns love than
Speaker 10: Mike Malot hate. And it's been so fun watching Burns
Speaker 10: evolve over the twelve years he was in the UFC.
Speaker 10: Like we're all excited, right, a world jiu jitsu champion
Speaker 10: coming to the UFC, but one that could also wrestle,
Speaker 10: like a Damian Maya, Jack Rays Sooza, but unlike them,
Speaker 10: like he could crack.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 10: It's like it's not very often when I'm upset that
Speaker 10: there's a first round knockout. But when he fought Damien
Speaker 10: and Maya were like, Oh, we're gonna get just the
Speaker 10: best ground war ever and then just boop one minute
Speaker 10: in and it's over.
Speaker 3: You're like, ah, come on, we.
Speaker 10: Got robbed of some awesome jiu jitsu, but we got
Speaker 10: that awesome knockout, and and you know, he had his time,
Speaker 10: he had his title shot, he had that great wind streak,
Speaker 10: he gave Chamaia of all he can handle.
Speaker 3: But I think I think what I really.
Speaker 10: Went to bed thinking about was how he exited the
Speaker 10: sport in the in the right way, right, like you know,
Speaker 10: blah Mohammed beat him, you got a title shot. JDM
Speaker 10: beat him a title shot. Mike Malott needed a name
Speaker 10: in a main event in Canada, and he answered the call, right,
Speaker 10: And so the young eat the old in combat sports.
Speaker 10: And he's going to be forty in exactly three months
Speaker 10: by FI losing Street obviously, like I'm the last guy
Speaker 10: in the world to say, hey, I don't want this
Speaker 10: fighter to retire. But in the fighter meetings, he was
Speaker 10: talking about how bumdy was he wasn't going on a
Speaker 10: family vacation to Spain.
Speaker 3: Because of a training camp.
Speaker 10: And if that's where your mind's going, I think that's
Speaker 10: the right time.
Speaker 5: I remember there was a video Kenny and RJ on
Speaker 5: UFC embedded and Gilbert had all these handwritten notes and
Speaker 5: I posted it on Instagram at some point in time.
Speaker 5: Just meticulous, copious handwritten stuff about how to figure this
Speaker 5: part of mixed martial arts out and just so much respect. Yeah,
Speaker 5: RJ and Kenny for the contribution to the game. And
Speaker 5: he loved that knockout life, that's for sure.
Speaker 10: Yeah, he was and just like one of the nice
Speaker 10: guys of the sport too, right. I always like wonder dude,
Speaker 10: like really really nice guy fighters.
Speaker 3: Do they hate that? That's the reputation, like you're a
Speaker 3: bad you're a cage fighter, right, And I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: Damien May, he's so nice. S Gilbert Burd He's so nice.
Speaker 10: It's like I also could strangle him, motherfucker pretty good too,
Speaker 10: you know, like.
Speaker 3: You want to mention that part as well.
Speaker 7: R JG.
Speaker 6: Do you think he was ever the same after the
Speaker 6: Hamsat Chimaya fight. Great question, Great question, because though those
Speaker 6: are the kind of fights, it's like that was an
Speaker 6: amazing fight, but some people don't come out the same
Speaker 6: after that, and he did great.
Speaker 7: But when you're getting.
Speaker 6: Hit by a guy like Chimaya, these things might happen.
Speaker 6: Because to me, it almost seems like he would he
Speaker 6: was kind of not the same.
Speaker 10: Do you think that I think he might be onto something.
Speaker 10: I mean, he he still wanted to fight the same too,
Speaker 10: which was a little different, right Like you see, you know,
Speaker 10: like when like when Randy Coutour was able to fight
Speaker 10: into his forties, it was like, I'm just gonna, you know,
Speaker 10: clench real heavy. I'm you know, I'm gonna lean on
Speaker 10: my greco. The speed isn't there, so I gotta slow
Speaker 10: everything down. Well, Gilbert Burns just like, I'm just gonna
Speaker 10: keep fighting the way I know how and it's gonna
Speaker 10: be awesome. And the fights have been great. And you know,
Speaker 10: we're talking about how much Mike Mallot's evolving. I think
Speaker 10: Gilbert Burns got to a really really good place. Not
Speaker 10: that he didn't keep evolving, but he found his stroke
Speaker 10: and stuck with it and maybe his his his mind
Speaker 10: kept going, but the body didn't really keep up.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: R J Clifford with us live on the Anti Comploring Podcast.
Speaker 5: Thanks to everybody for subscribing to the channel, And yeah, Gilbert
Speaker 5: Burns made a lot of money. You know, the show
Speaker 5: money got pretty good. There were bonuses along the way.
Speaker 5: You just hope for a guy like that that with
Speaker 5: respect to like bare knuckle boxing, that he doesn't need
Speaker 5: the payday that would come with that, And I don't
Speaker 5: think he does. You know, real American freestyle wrestling is
Speaker 5: doing a lot of things for a lot of athletes.
Speaker 7: I'd love to see him compete there.
Speaker 5: I would imagine he wouldn't mind doing some sort of
Speaker 5: grappling competition in the future. So a lot of different
Speaker 5: ways for Gilbert Reino Burns to make money could probably
Speaker 5: cut I'm tating a couple of different languages. But classy
Speaker 5: individual to be sure, And dude, nice guys do finish last, right,
Speaker 5: Like when I used to be nice. Actually, I mean
Speaker 5: in high school they called me well, in high school
Speaker 5: they called.
Speaker 3: It turned it around, John, It was really holding you
Speaker 3: back all this time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, in high school I used to like shave
Speaker 5: my head and wear a black bandana and I thought
Speaker 5: I was a lot of things I wasn't and they
Speaker 5: would call me bad and Jason good like the upper
Speaker 5: classmen would be like, oh, what's up bad? You know so,
Speaker 5: But I like to give nice guys a hard time.
Speaker 5: That's why I'm banging on the Canadian Mike Malot right.
Speaker 5: Daniel Rodriguez is number fourteen in the world. Colby Covington
Speaker 5: is number fifteen. I was not aware that Mike Blot
Speaker 5: came into this fight unranked. But RJ is there's some
Speaker 5: onus on me fighter to not just say.
Speaker 7: Right like sorry, ladies.
Speaker 5: I'm not the golfing type, right as Adam Sandler said it, Sorry, sorry, guys,
Speaker 5: I'm not the calling out type. Well, be careful because
Speaker 5: opportunity missed. I think according to.
Speaker 3: Some yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 10: I've always I've always wanted fighters to be themselves, but
Speaker 10: as much as possible. Like, if you're kind of an asshole,
Speaker 10: like just be a big one, right. If you're kind
Speaker 10: of a smart ass, like be a really really big
Speaker 10: smart ass.
Speaker 3: If you're a nice guy, be a super nice guy.
Speaker 10: And I think the Canadians, the Canadian fighters have a
Speaker 10: little bit of an inside track where you could be
Speaker 10: popular in Canada and not need you don't need to
Speaker 10: be a trash talker like obviously he wants international appeal
Speaker 10: and he wants to be a star everywhere. But you know,
Speaker 10: like George Saint Pierre, right, just like would not talk
Speaker 10: trash on anybody, Kenny, like you knew him well, Like
Speaker 10: I don't think he was an asshole behind closed doors.
Speaker 10: I think he was just himself out there and he
Speaker 10: was able to obviously be a giant star.
Speaker 7: But the worst thing he said was I am not
Speaker 7: then pressed by your.
Speaker 12: And he got dragged and he never left him. He
Speaker 12: opened his mouth one time. He's like, all right, I
Speaker 12: got this singer right, it's work. This is the big one. Yeah,
Speaker 12: and it's just been a.
Speaker 3: Meme for a decade.
Speaker 7: Gareth A.
Speaker 5: Davis, legendary boxing and mixed martial arts journalists once asked
Speaker 5: John Jones RJ. Are you a bad guy trying to
Speaker 5: be good or a good guy trying to be bad?
Speaker 5: So when I if somebody probed me that way, I
Speaker 5: would say I'm a good guy, you know, like I
Speaker 5: don't necessarily think I'm a bad guy, but yeah, I
Speaker 5: mean sometimes I give it to nice guys, you know,
Speaker 5: like Malapian, Like I've been doing this in Canada, I'm
Speaker 5: dreaming about doing this in Canada. My whole life and
Speaker 5: the whole nation rises, you know, come be to a
Speaker 5: high level American let's go all right, Yeah enough on that.
Speaker 5: So any other highlights for you? I mean, Charles Jordaan
Speaker 5: has realized a lot of success in the bandamweight division.
Speaker 5: Kenny put a band on Mandel Naalo, so he lost
Speaker 5: a thousand dollars. There any other major highlights. Dennis Pazuki
Speaker 5: obviously got flatlined by Marcio Oposa.
Speaker 7: Anything, uh jump off the film for you, kid?
Speaker 10: Well, those two really Ji Herbert and Charles Jordan, those
Speaker 10: performances I think stuck out. I mean Charles Jordan, I
Speaker 10: kind of got the vibe he was underestimating Kyler Phillips
Speaker 10: going in. I mean he seemed he seemed pretty tuckered
Speaker 10: out in that third round. I don't know if you
Speaker 10: like underestimate him in it and it should have been
Speaker 10: training or to you know, got a little maybe a
Speaker 10: little too confident. But Heidiandral who was the reporter afterwards,
Speaker 10: asked him like, did you underestimate Kyler Phillips? And he said,
Speaker 10: I didn't underestimate him, I just overestimated myself. Now I'm
Speaker 10: just a product of the California public education system, Kenny, But.
Speaker 3: Where I went to school to start to hear anything.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Like that's the same thing if you underest over it,
Speaker 10: like it's the end result. So I mean smart smart
Speaker 10: fighters learned from losses and super smart fighters learned from wins.
Speaker 10: And I think Jordan could learn to learn a lot
Speaker 10: from this one. And then yeah, that Ji Herbert just
Speaker 10: like head off centerline, right hand, just be I've rewatched
Speaker 10: that a hundred times. Gonnake a little video of that
Speaker 10: when I'm done with you guys. That was just a
Speaker 10: thing of beauty. Like he went from like he was
Speaker 10: what was he known for? Right almost knocking out Illiott Taporia?
Speaker 10: He was that guy, and now he can really hang
Speaker 10: his hat on just a just counter right hand.
Speaker 3: I mean that was Kenny.
Speaker 10: I almost don't feel bad losing a bet with a knockout,
Speaker 10: Like yeah.
Speaker 6: No, I mean, Johy, listen, he earned that. He earned
Speaker 6: every single bit of that. But I thought Mandel got
Speaker 6: overly aggressive. He did not disguise his intent on what
Speaker 6: he wanted to do. You saw his hand kind of
Speaker 6: cocked back from like a mile away, and he was
Speaker 6: very very upright.
Speaker 7: Herbert saw it.
Speaker 6: Coming in the exchange. I guess at the right time
Speaker 6: of the wrong time, depending on who you are. And yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean Heber Herbert made the best best out of
Speaker 6: that man that was That was an amazing comeback because
Speaker 6: it looked like Nalo was just going to dominate and
Speaker 6: finish him round one, and man.
Speaker 7: The sport always surprises us. It's amazing at R J.
Speaker 7: Clifford Mma.
Speaker 5: If you want to see his telestration later today on
Speaker 5: film on social media, you're gonna break down Ji Herbert
Speaker 5: and Mandal Nalo before I let you go, and we
Speaker 5: are gonna let you say hi to Ray Long go today,
Speaker 5: of course. But Aljame and Sterling fights Yusuf Zialal this
Speaker 5: weekend and mav star ivloyev Is ubiqulitously regarded as the
Speaker 5: number one contender Aaron Pico making a little bit of
Speaker 5: a move. What do you make of the main event
Speaker 5: this weekend and how it might impact things Diraditionally, if
Speaker 5: one of these two guys get a.
Speaker 10: Finish, I think Yusuf Salal's got a lot of momentum
Speaker 10: and I think he's, you know, a big personality and
Speaker 10: a lot of fun. I think he's something that the
Speaker 10: UFC can get behind al Jaman Sterling obviously former champion
Speaker 10: and a chance to be, you know, a two division
Speaker 10: champion and.
Speaker 3: Reach that high status.
Speaker 10: I think I think it's murky, not murky uptop. It's
Speaker 10: a Loye for sure, but then it gets kind of
Speaker 10: murky after that. I'm wondering, like what they make of
Speaker 10: Laron Murphy. They obviously obviously he lost to Ivloyev and
Speaker 10: so he's back of that pack, but they they really
Speaker 10: love having British champions and people from the UK in
Speaker 10: good spots. I think he makes sense still in the
Speaker 10: in the conversation and there's one forty five like it's
Speaker 10: just a really nice I didn't even realize this until
Speaker 10: he started matchmaking.
Speaker 3: I forgot Kevin Blahos.
Speaker 10: But it's just like, dude, there's veterans that are still
Speaker 10: very viable.
Speaker 3: There's guys that have lost.
Speaker 10: That can easily turn things around. There's the blay Hooses
Speaker 10: of the world that are just ready to go. Aaron
Speaker 10: Pico's entered the chat, like you mentioned, like, there's a
Speaker 10: lot that could go on, So long story short to
Speaker 10: answer your question, like, yeah, I think so, but I
Speaker 10: mean it's just one more awesome spinning back elbow not
Speaker 10: got away from anyone in the top ten before, and
Speaker 10: then they can be in that conversation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's well, put bro I fucking printed the featherweight
Speaker 5: rankings today. Do you know how many times I've done
Speaker 5: that in five hundred and ninety two episodes of the show,
Speaker 5: printed one division's rankings?
Speaker 7: Very few?
Speaker 5: Right, mab Sorry if Looiev is one, Diego Lopez two,
Speaker 5: Laron Murphy, three, I Rodriguez four al Joe in. The
Speaker 5: main event this weekend is five jaw Lord Silva six,
Speaker 5: Yusef's Alas seven, Arnold Allen eight Steve Garcia fight on
Speaker 5: the White House card is number nine Kevin Basch Ekos
Speaker 5: to round out the top ten, and that doesn't even
Speaker 5: get to the Picos and milk is Iel Costas of
Speaker 5: the world. Loaded it at one. I mean one fifty
Speaker 5: five has such a place in my heart that one
Speaker 5: forty five. Well, we'll never supersede it, but that looks outstanding,
Speaker 5: and so do you. Let's see if we can effort
Speaker 5: ray Longo right now, having some technical difficulties as we
Speaker 5: go four wide here bottom of the hour.
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 7: How you doing, Raymond?
Speaker 2: What's up? What are we What are we talking about?
Speaker 7: That is a big black coffee?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I need it this morning.
Speaker 7: Wow. Well, I just wanted you to say hi to
Speaker 7: r J Clifford. Who Yeah, r J.
Speaker 2: You crushing it, buddy?
Speaker 3: Oh stop but keep going? Yes, that's up right? How
Speaker 3: you doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well yeah, r J Clifford. We appreciate your contributions
Speaker 5: as always. Who wanted to give you a chance to
Speaker 5: say hi to the senior member of our our talent
Speaker 5: team since since.
Speaker 2: I don't like the word senior anymore, can we get that?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Can we come up with another business term? Forday, aeriatric?
Speaker 10: You like that one?
Speaker 2: Jerry? Yeah, Jerry, geriatric is even better than that.
Speaker 7: Tremendous content though at r J Clifford.
Speaker 5: Mm my man, appreciate the court of an hour and
Speaker 5: uh we'll talk to you real soon as in next Monday.
Speaker 3: Happy for twenty boys, take itzy buddy, Thank you buddy.
Speaker 5: I actually don't think R. J. Clifford is among those
Speaker 5: who celebrates. Perhaps he does. On four to twenty Raymond
Speaker 5: Peter long Ago. How goes your Monday?
Speaker 2: So far?
Speaker 7: It's twelve thirty three pm e Stern Standard times.
Speaker 2: So far, so good? All right, So good. So trying
Speaker 2: to stay healthy for the fight this week. Everybody's sick
Speaker 2: in the gym. It sucks.
Speaker 7: So are you flying to Vegas? What's going on in you?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 7: When are you leaving?
Speaker 2: I'm leaving Thursday? Thursday?
Speaker 7: Okay, I am undecided at this point.
Speaker 2: Kenny. You look outstanding. Now let me tell you something.
Speaker 2: I'm calling you on the side. I'm doing it. I
Speaker 2: did any time because you did like I just saw
Speaker 2: like it's just yeah, that looks great, man, unbelievable.
Speaker 5: So you're gonna call him after the show and you'll
Speaker 5: see if he takes that call. So you guys can
Speaker 5: talk about hair.
Speaker 2: I don't know about right after that. Yeah, I'm curious
Speaker 2: because I got to fill in some spots. Man, I
Speaker 2: could have a full headache. Yeah, I don't know if
Speaker 2: I'm going that far. I'm sure I'm gonna blow the
Speaker 2: money and do it here.
Speaker 7: Well, I'll make a contribution. I'll make a contribution.
Speaker 5: I'll I'll contribute five hundred dollars towards your hair transplant.
Speaker 7: I take all right, I'll give it to you in cash.
Speaker 2: Wow, Bam, what my Zell number?
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I know it's almost been a little slow
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Speaker 2: But that's all loose stuff to me. But a lot
Speaker 2: of zel, a lot of Zellin and Paypally going on.
Speaker 2: It's a new world out.
Speaker 7: There then most then mos.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just want you to be a man of action,
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Speaker 5: So I'm making a contribution to try to expedite the
Speaker 5: process so that you will get a Yeah, so that
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Speaker 2: You know, the towel, but get your dog off the phone.
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Speaker 5: This point, Kenny laughs because he heard it too. I
Speaker 5: would imagine Nate Bronson and Cody heard it as well,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 2: But Kenny might have heard it, but it's not gonna
Speaker 2: upset him. That's the difference. That's the difference Kenny's laughing
Speaker 2: and your pouting. You know why you'll be because you're
Speaker 2: jacked up on the thrown sport.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm a producer too, right, like Kenny doesn't necessarily
Speaker 5: get producer credits for the show. So I mean, cod
Speaker 5: if Cody tell you somebody you know, you turn your
Speaker 5: fucking self. It's episode five hundred and ninety two.
Speaker 2: Hold, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 5: We're gonna tight ship here. Ray, it's episode five hundred
Speaker 5: and ninety Okay, so maybe for episode five ninety three
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Speaker 2: I like that. Yeah, yeah, And remember i'm the senior members,
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Speaker 7: Okay, but let's talk about Look, I'm glad this is
Speaker 7: so funny to you.
Speaker 2: This isn't funny to you.
Speaker 9: No.
Speaker 5: I just get sensitive when you use a verb like
Speaker 5: pout to describe my behavior.
Speaker 2: Because he didn't get anything.
Speaker 7: Well, no, I mean it's like, hey, you know maybe.
Speaker 2: I used that ten minutes ago.
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Speaker 7: Of our spot?
Speaker 2: Right? Okay, give me a call.
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Speaker 5: In your featherweight main event this weekend, number seven ranked
Speaker 5: contender Yusef's a law the minus one sixty six betting favorite.
Speaker 5: The comeback on the former bantamway champion Aljamin Sterling is
Speaker 5: plus one forty. You will be there. What can you
Speaker 5: tell us about this fight and your expectations for it?
Speaker 2: I think God, listen, al Joe. He sent me his sparring.
Speaker 2: He sounds great. I think he's in a great spot
Speaker 2: and the kid is super talented. Great fight, IQ, he's
Speaker 2: winning that fight. Wow.
Speaker 7: Yeah, are you surprised that he's the underdog.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm real off here, I'm really surprised he's the underdog.
Speaker 2: You know, lost, So that was good. I always when
Speaker 2: I see him, he's got great energy, really nice guy.
Speaker 2: He's a great guy. Aljoe's got experience. You know, he's
Speaker 2: not really you know, his body's still intact. He's not
Speaker 2: really injured like some of the other guys were at
Speaker 2: this stage of the game. He's he's he's good to go, man,
Speaker 2: and uh like again, super smart, uh and I just
Speaker 2: think he's kind of better everywhere. You know, I think
Speaker 2: he's allows explosive and sometimes he's got to be careful
Speaker 2: with like some of the knees up the middle and
Speaker 2: some of the crazy stuff. But you know, skill for skill,
Speaker 2: I think al Joe matches up really, really well.
Speaker 6: Do you think do you think it's accurate to say
Speaker 6: that the Law's grappling is underrated and al joe striking
Speaker 6: is underrated?
Speaker 2: Ooh uh, that might be fair. I think that's fair.
Speaker 2: That's to say because al jo is grappling, his wrestling
Speaker 2: and jiu jitsu was really good, I.
Speaker 7: Would one of the best division.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would think the advantage everybody would have to
Speaker 2: say is to him, he's he's freaking good and you
Speaker 2: know he's still active. You saw even with Henderson. He
Speaker 2: still can wrestle. You know, I'm not saying that was
Speaker 2: like a super big thing, but he's he's he's still
Speaker 2: good man. Oh yeah, without a doubt. Yeah, he's still
Speaker 2: in there. And striking wise, he's just as weird as
Speaker 2: a lot. I mean that they're both quirky, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean with this striking, but Aljo has been
Speaker 2: concentrating more on that. Uh, it'll be interesting see how
Speaker 2: he plays out in his head with it.
Speaker 7: But he's been focusing more on a striking, he says.
Speaker 2: I think he's he's been doing a lot of striking.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Ray Long a minute every week here on the
Speaker 5: Anaki Floran podcast, when Kenny asks a good question, right,
Speaker 5: you light up like a fucking Christmas you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And when I asked a good.
Speaker 2: Question, they take his ship.
Speaker 5: Yeah, get yeah, and you just direct the conversation to
Speaker 5: your man can flow. But I love the closeness no.
Speaker 4: Time.
Speaker 7: No, I'm just messing with you. So I don't want to.
Speaker 5: Necessarily live too much in this UFC fight night, but
Speaker 5: I did want to get your thoughts if I could.
Speaker 5: On Mike Mallot with a really big win and obviously
Speaker 5: the the UFC and m M A career of Gilbert
Speaker 5: Urino Burn's coming to and En.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a a lot beautiful performance. I like,
Speaker 2: a really good shot selection. You know, he wasn't loading
Speaker 2: up on his punches. He was getting them there. And
Speaker 2: then when he got him in trouble, killer instinct came out.
Speaker 2: He just barraged him and finished a fight like he
Speaker 2: should do. But yeah, he didn't overdo it. At the beginning.
Speaker 2: You could see he was placing that uppercut really really well,
Speaker 2: timing that well and probably hitting at like fifty sixty percent.
Speaker 2: But then when it came time to go, he did.
Speaker 2: And I think it's a great win for him. And
Speaker 2: you know, Gilbert's a great guy. I think he's loved
Speaker 2: by everybody, had a great career, and anybody beats Tom's
Speaker 2: at they owe it to Gilbert for the first guy
Speaker 2: to make him look human, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So I think he's you know, he's fought the best
Speaker 2: of the best, and they all knew they were in
Speaker 2: a fight when they were fighting them. So hats off
Speaker 2: to Gilbert, hats off to Henry doing a great job
Speaker 2: with him, and he had a great career.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Henry Hoof certainly a name that deserves to be
Speaker 5: echoed today and tremendous career from Darena. We will have
Speaker 5: him on the show, just want to give him some
Speaker 5: time to sort of decompress a little bit. So everything
Speaker 5: I hear with Mike Mallott today from all these analysts, right,
Speaker 5: rain shifting and shot selection and plus athlete killer instinct,
Speaker 5: he really has a lot of tools. And yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: sometimes the way things fall, if you sort of just
Speaker 5: let things marinate for a little bit, then the right
Speaker 5: fight can materialize, you know, even without a call out, right,
Speaker 5: or you can be on the other end of things.
Speaker 5: We'll get to Norma Dumont later. Right, you don't lose
Speaker 5: a fight for four years and Amanda Noonz comes back
Speaker 5: and there's really nothing you can do about it, you know.
Speaker 5: But Ray, what do you I mean, do you think
Speaker 5: Mike Bilot can be a UFC welterweight champion?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: I think I don't know about that. Definitely got the tools,
Speaker 2: but we'll have to see on that one. I think
Speaker 2: that's a little bit of a stretch, but he's definitely
Speaker 2: he's definitely can compete for them the title for sure,
Speaker 2: you know, can he win the title? That's uh. I
Speaker 2: don't know what he does with Islam, you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know if his wrestling holds up and some of
Speaker 2: the other stuff. But we'll see. He's in a good
Speaker 2: spot either way. He's having a great career that she
Speaker 2: should be happy as hell.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 5: I'm just curious what their internal intentions are, right, I mean,
Speaker 5: are all these guys like if Michael Morales doesn't have
Speaker 5: his number called and Ima Shadeogary does, does Morales?
Speaker 2: Wait? Right?
Speaker 5: It seems like Ousman is sort of laying back in
Speaker 5: the cut and waiting the former champs Muhammad and Della
Speaker 5: Maddelena both fighting and trying to defend their spots actively. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think maybe just let the chips fall a little
Speaker 5: bit over the next few weeks. Let June sixth, Balal
Speaker 5: and bon Fime finish, and maybe his opponent comes out
Speaker 5: of that.
Speaker 2: So I would think Balal against Mike Malatt would be
Speaker 2: a great test for him to see where he's at. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that would be great. That would be a great fight.
Speaker 5: Yeah all right, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's go for one
Speaker 5: and welcome in Jaysonanic at Boston and into the conversation, Jay,
Speaker 5: Good afternoon, Good morning.
Speaker 7: How are we doing.
Speaker 5: I'm good, you know, I know I come in a
Speaker 5: little hot sometimes, But I just want to say, in
Speaker 5: terms of Mike and Mike Malott, and it's interesting that
Speaker 5: you inject the name Balah Mohammed into the conversation because
Speaker 5: in that UFC basketball game back in the day, the
Speaker 5: one where Jamal Hill tore his achilles, I met Mike
Speaker 5: Mallott that day and he had just entered the UFC
Speaker 5: and I was sort of messing with him. I was like,
Speaker 5: go feel my boy, Balal. If you think you want
Speaker 5: to compete in well to wait the way, go feel
Speaker 5: the strength on my.
Speaker 7: Guy, Blal.
Speaker 5: But what I'll say about Mike Mallott sort of echo
Speaker 5: what r J said earlier. It's the improvement. And to me, John,
Speaker 5: you say married to the game, I think he is
Speaker 5: married to the game. At this point he was a
Speaker 5: coach for a while, not trying to compete. He looked
Speaker 5: more powerful, more intentional, so I think, and there's my phone,
Speaker 5: of course, but so I just think that's fascinating for
Speaker 5: me lot because I think he's made and in terms
Speaker 5: of what he did or didn't do on the microphone.
Speaker 5: I don't think there's an obvious name, and that kind
Speaker 5: of is what it is in terms of the call out,
Speaker 5: but in terms of the mixed martial arts athlete, he
Speaker 5: was not ranked John prior to this fight. He'll take
Speaker 5: Gilbert Burns eleven perhaps or be twelve thirteen. But I
Speaker 5: think a ranked guy and pumping the brakes a little
Speaker 5: bit makes sense. But I think he's got a shot.
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, that's well put. There are a lot of
Speaker 7: intriguing fights for him.
Speaker 5: I guess sometimes I get ahead of myself and impatient
Speaker 5: and sort of think, well, you know, he's thirty three
Speaker 5: years of age, and you know, might take him two
Speaker 5: years now to build against the you know, maybe it's
Speaker 5: two wins in two years to then wait for a
Speaker 5: title shot.
Speaker 7: Who knows, you know, Yeah, very long goes back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I turned my phone off so.
Speaker 5: I didn't wear a hat because all you guys are
Speaker 5: talking about hair. I was like, all right, I never
Speaker 5: go to talk about hair. He wants to go to Turkey,
Speaker 5: you know, I mean this all natural. Baby John could
Speaker 5: have the same thing. So y'all look great. I could
Speaker 5: you know I'm watching on my phone earlier. I think
Speaker 5: Kenny's wearing a sports jacket. I'm like, what are you
Speaker 5: the broadcast booth. I'm like, what's the guy wearing? I
Speaker 5: love it now that I see it, and it helps.
Speaker 5: I'm thinking it's lying on a rad I wear.
Speaker 2: Jason, did you have thrown coffee this morning?
Speaker 5: I love my twin brother and this is a unique
Speaker 5: and I love flowing you and I get an opportunity
Speaker 5: to start. It's like I can't bite my tongue enough.
Speaker 5: And I watched the show for an hour. You can
Speaker 5: believe I got all sorts of things.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's not propane.
Speaker 5: And as much as i'd love to on four to twenty,
Speaker 5: I didn't smoke nothing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, when your day is done and you want to
Speaker 7: ride on.
Speaker 5: So I have a quote from Ilio to Portia that
Speaker 5: I would like to read to you guys. And Jay
Speaker 5: put this on my radar and we got some George
Speaker 5: Saint Pierre's stuff coming up here shortly. But iliot Topia
Speaker 5: would appear to be a mental giant, right, I mean,
Speaker 5: I would think any life experience would be something that
Speaker 5: would forge him. And here's the quote that I just
Speaker 5: wanted to read. And we'll start with Ray and then
Speaker 5: Kenny on down the line. The challenge is going to
Speaker 5: come during fifteen minutes that I am in that octagon,
Speaker 5: But outside of that, it's just a normal day. So
Speaker 5: don't let yourself travel into the future and wear yourself
Speaker 5: down mentally. And I'm not saying all fighters fall in
Speaker 5: one bucket of this ray, but there are a lot
Speaker 5: of high level athletes and UFC fighters and MMA fighters
Speaker 5: that can't turn this mental page and it affects their
Speaker 5: energy system leading up to the fighting potentially on fight
Speaker 5: night and until Potio really seems to have done a
Speaker 5: lot of work mentally to make sure it doesn't impact
Speaker 5: him in that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, looking spot on, I mean, if he could, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, the more I've been in this game, and
Speaker 2: you know, it's almost like what was Bruce is saying
Speaker 2: when he first got in to martial arts, A punch
Speaker 2: was just a punch, Then it wasn't a punch at
Speaker 2: the end, it's just a punch. I mean, it's the
Speaker 2: same thing that it's all mental. The mental aspect this
Speaker 2: game is the whole game, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Mental mental toughness is usual. You guys just don't have
Speaker 2: the discipline of other guys, and you know, whether that's
Speaker 2: how you're brought up. You know, look at Morob humble beginnings.
Speaker 2: He's you know, he's in the service over there, Russia's
Speaker 2: bombing them. He's got to live with that, He's got
Speaker 2: to live with all sorts of shitty things. And I
Speaker 2: think it just hardens in. It makes you a just
Speaker 2: a mentally tougher person. You can't, you know, compare that
Speaker 2: to a guy that was born with a silver spoon
Speaker 2: in his mouth. I mean, it's not that it's not doable,
Speaker 2: but I think the guys that come from humble beginnings
Speaker 2: just have a different way of looking at it. And
Speaker 2: that's what I love about talking to people from all
Speaker 2: over the world is that, you know, even like a
Speaker 2: Zarukia and they got they have a different way of
Speaker 2: or to be. They were just there's like a like
Speaker 2: a brutal like honesty about things that's just refreshing to hear.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that makes sense, but I think again, mentally,
Speaker 2: if you can compartmentalize everything and just state of course
Speaker 2: you've got you got seventy percent of the game beat already, man.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the best way to deal with tough
Speaker 6: things is by doing tough things. I also think it's
Speaker 6: especially difficult when you're talking about these high profile fights.
Speaker 7: You know, it's one thing to go in there and
Speaker 7: fight on our prelimb.
Speaker 6: It's quite a different thing to go out there and
Speaker 6: fight in championship fight after championship fight. And then I
Speaker 6: would layer that even more by saying, you know, the
Speaker 6: guys like the Connor McGregor's or the Eliotoporias who take
Speaker 6: it up a notch by even talking trash and making
Speaker 6: fun of their opponents, and then after it's said and done,
Speaker 6: they're able to kind of put that away, shelf that
Speaker 6: and then just deal with the fight itself and stay
Speaker 6: present during that fight, you know, as opposed to thinking
Speaker 6: about that all the time. And that is mentally draining,
Speaker 6: spiritually draining, physically draining.
Speaker 7: For a lot of guys, especially.
Speaker 6: You know, then you got to talk to media, and
Speaker 6: media are asking the same damn question over and over
Speaker 6: and over again, and you're trying to get rid of
Speaker 6: that stuff and it can get back in you.
Speaker 7: So you know, I'd be lying if I said I
Speaker 7: got it all figured out during my career.
Speaker 8: I did.
Speaker 7: It was very difficult.
Speaker 6: You know, because certain fights were different than others with
Speaker 6: different stakes, So the ability to put that out of
Speaker 6: your head is huge. And clearly Iliotoporia has some kind
Speaker 6: of recipe that's working for him because we see it
Speaker 6: in his performances. Almost the more difficult the match up,
Speaker 6: the better he performs.
Speaker 2: Yes, one thing you know. You know back in the day,
Speaker 2: even with Sarah, he would refuse to do like interviews.
Speaker 2: I don't think you have that option today. You know,
Speaker 2: they're forcing people. Can the cameras come, Can they follow
Speaker 2: you around? It's it's a big burden when you're trying
Speaker 2: to concentrate on the fight and what you have to do.
Speaker 2: When you're in there, you have the media obligations. Could
Speaker 2: take a person down. Yes, and again we go back
Speaker 2: to that was the That was the beauty of that kid.
Speaker 2: Hoke it that he could do that stick and then
Speaker 2: get in there and fight like that. I'm saying, that's
Speaker 2: a really special talent. And the the more I think
Speaker 2: about it, Kay, the more I laugh about it. I
Speaker 2: think the guy's actually outstanding. I don't know, he's to
Speaker 2: pull it off so he can compartmentalize. A lot of
Speaker 2: guys can't do that. It's just impossible for him to
Speaker 2: do it, so he's got a special talent. But that's
Speaker 2: the mental side of this game is huge, and I
Speaker 2: think Kenny's you got to do hard things to become hard.
Speaker 2: Something as simple as you know that. What was that?
Speaker 2: The guy that just make your bed every morning to
Speaker 2: build discipline?
Speaker 9: What?
Speaker 7: Jordan Peterson, Yes, it's you know what.
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker 7: If you make your bet, you got so far.
Speaker 5: Let me just get in here real quick. The compartment
Speaker 5: mentalization is a good thing. But Kenny has put Toporia
Speaker 5: on a pedestal with good reason. And I stand there
Speaker 5: with Kenny with that, and I want to be along
Speaker 5: for this ride watching this brilliant icon like this applies
Speaker 5: to life. It's not just about fighting this mentality. And
Speaker 5: we go back to the Volkanovsky fight. He beat him
Speaker 5: exactly how we wanted to, precisely when. And that does
Speaker 5: come from the mental component too. I understand fighters have
Speaker 5: different things they need to lean into. Corey Sandagan needs
Speaker 5: to be fired up before the fight. I was privileged
Speaker 5: to be with the Notatamakano in his kitchen about a
Speaker 5: month before Ben La Sontoni fight, and he couldn't something
Speaker 5: belt Santani perseverating over him all day didn't hurt him
Speaker 5: in his performance. So everyone's different. But Ilio Toporia continues
Speaker 5: to blow my mind and ultimately, gosh, he's going to
Speaker 5: be prepared for whatever is coming his way at the
Speaker 5: White House against Gae Chee. And finally, I'll say, Tom
Speaker 5: Brady said, I was good at twenty five, I was
Speaker 5: great at thirty five, and at forty five, I was
Speaker 5: a master of the sport. And that's because of the mental.
Speaker 5: And so if Ilia has become a master of the
Speaker 5: mental given the physical stuff, good lunch.
Speaker 2: Out heah, yeah, one hundred percent. And that's why I
Speaker 2: tell you, you know, that's why I do like the wrestlers,
Speaker 2: because like to become like a national champ, you're going
Speaker 2: through it first. There's no way you got there just
Speaker 2: by feeling good every day. You know you're gonna have
Speaker 2: bad ankles, bad knees. You have to growing through it,
Speaker 2: and that's part of the process. And you know, it's
Speaker 2: a good way for these guys to really develop mentally
Speaker 2: if you could get to that level. You know, like
Speaker 2: boxing is a little different because you take too many shots,
Speaker 2: so you got to really be careful with you know
Speaker 2: how you you know progress with that, but sometimes these
Speaker 2: other guys from just other countries, they just have a
Speaker 2: different way You're looking at it, and I love it.
Speaker 2: I think it's refreshing and you could see the difference
Speaker 2: when you talk to them right away.
Speaker 5: I was thirty one, thirty two years old when I
Speaker 5: called my first UFC fight with Kenny Florian in Nashville, Tennessee,
Speaker 5: January twenty ath twenty twelve. Right, and certainly there have
Speaker 5: been times over the years where I battled nerves. There
Speaker 5: are certain broadcasting environments or situations or asks on a
Speaker 5: given night, whether it's memorization or a given stand up,
Speaker 5: whatever it is, that can maybe occupy some space mentally.
Speaker 5: But certainly, when I am in that booth at forty seven,
Speaker 5: I am exponential more comfortable.
Speaker 7: Like I was more nervous yesterday.
Speaker 5: I went to Game one of the Celtics Sixers series
Speaker 5: as Celtics head coach Joe Mazzula's guest, sitting like right
Speaker 5: next to the bench. I was more nervous for that
Speaker 5: than probably anything I broadcast in career. So yeah, maybe
Speaker 5: I gotta work on that, all right.
Speaker 7: I don't feel bad for you, John, No, thanks.
Speaker 5: This head coach is just an incredible human being, and
Speaker 5: he's just obsessive about craft and preparation. And even last
Speaker 5: night after the Celtics win, he's texting me. It's like
Speaker 5: random question, asking me about my prep and how many
Speaker 5: hours it takes me to prep for a numbered event
Speaker 5: and what.
Speaker 7: The process is like.
Speaker 5: And yeah, he he likes jiu jitsu more than basketball.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he loves fighting. So he's a man.
Speaker 4: Ray.
Speaker 5: So before we let you go, So, George Saint Pierre
Speaker 5: is somebody who was always preach sprinting over running, and
Speaker 5: he's certainly not the only one. I remember there would
Speaker 5: be times and Kenny Florian out of training camp just
Speaker 5: to like reset, would go to the streets of Dover,
Speaker 5: Massachusetts and just run a six a mile to just
Speaker 5: punish his nervous system. But I took my daughter Tatum
Speaker 5: to do some sprints. We're in a very hilly area
Speaker 5: here in Glenville, Connecticut, right, and she puked right. So
Speaker 5: we did five sprints up the hill and she pewed
Speaker 5: right because she maybe thinks she's in good shape and
Speaker 5: she's not. So we have some video from George Saint Pierre. Oh,
Speaker 5: I thought it was video of Tatum. Sorry, no, we
Speaker 5: don't have video of Tatum throwing up on the curb,
Speaker 5: but I want to play this because Ray Longo has
Speaker 5: long drawn praise for coaching cardio and getting guys in
Speaker 5: great shape. So this is the Great George, the great
Speaker 5: George Saint Pierre.
Speaker 14: I believe in cardio if you're a combat athlete, and
Speaker 14: this I got an argument with for us all the time,
Speaker 14: I believe in efficiency, and people will ask me why
Speaker 14: do you run?
Speaker 5: Then ice print because of the benefit it gives me.
Speaker 14: I don't believe sprinting will increase my cardio. I just
Speaker 14: believe that doing something as hard as I can for
Speaker 14: a small amount of time and taking a break and
Speaker 14: then repeating it again and again, I think it adds
Speaker 14: huge benefits for me, especially as you get older. And
Speaker 14: I've been sprinting for a long time and I love
Speaker 14: the benefits it gives me. In like, I don't do
Speaker 14: it for cardio purpose because I believe in fighting. It's
Speaker 14: all about efficiency. Even though you're in better shape than me.
Speaker 14: But if I'm more efficient than you, you'll get tired
Speaker 14: before I do. And it's like that in every sport, hockey, basketball,
Speaker 14: I don't care. I believe if you're an athlete, efficiency
Speaker 14: is number one goal. You focus on skill and technique
Speaker 14: and efficiency.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, really. Look well, so here's the whole key
Speaker 2: to what we just heard is that he will believes it.
Speaker 2: That's all that matters. He believes it, and it makes
Speaker 2: him feel good, and that's all that that literally is
Speaker 2: all that matters. There. Listen. Obviously, there's nothing wrong with sprints,
Speaker 2: but I'll give you an example. If I have a
Speaker 2: guy sprinting right, he feels great, and then somebody else
Speaker 2: tells me, you know, sprint, it's gonna ruin you. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like, you gotta right jump. The
Speaker 2: guy's done, he's done with the spring. This is the
Speaker 2: fucking problem. But George believes it. He says, he even
Speaker 2: argues with run. It puts him in a good spot.
Speaker 2: That's all that fucking matters. Just fucking move because honestly,
Speaker 2: you gotta look at Morob. Morob, besides doing everything, he
Speaker 2: gets his endurance from doing what he does. He wrestles
Speaker 2: every day, He fights every day. He's got cardio for
Speaker 2: days because where it's fighting to other guys, it's just
Speaker 2: a normal day for him and that's and that's another thing,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I bet you, I bet you it.
Speaker 2: There has been ten guys that Morob's fort that had
Speaker 2: a better VO two max than him, I bet you,
Speaker 2: you know, and scientific, why wouldn't you? No, you're not threatened,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean by mentally?
Speaker 7: They didn't have a better video.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Penny, But that's the that's the point of
Speaker 2: the store, right right. These motherfuckers leave all of that
Speaker 2: ship out, you know what I mean? Like, Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: a lot that's going on in there, man mentally, Like
Speaker 2: you said, Jit is under the lights, this and that. Now,
Speaker 2: if you really want to do those tests, do it
Speaker 2: while the guys fight. And I think they tried that
Speaker 2: with Morob. Where's his heartbeat at? Where's you know, where's
Speaker 2: is whatever? But you know what I'm saying, like, that's
Speaker 2: what you have to do. You put a guy in
Speaker 2: the Treadmilding's in the air condition fucking room running. They're
Speaker 2: good for you, that's good. Yeah, in the face ten
Speaker 2: times and get back on the tread. Will see how
Speaker 2: you do. That's the decis.
Speaker 7: I'll say the sport is more anaerobic than it is aerobic.
Speaker 6: Okay, Now that's not to say I would go out
Speaker 6: and run ten miles you know, at the time a camp,
Speaker 6: because you know, I just wanted to do it for
Speaker 6: me as kind of like a mental test.
Speaker 7: I don't know where I was at. And again it
Speaker 7: goes back to that like comfort level with how you're training.
Speaker 6: But also I would I would say that it also
Speaker 6: caters to George and his skills as well. I think
Speaker 6: we'd all agree that he was pretty damn explosive over
Speaker 6: the course of his career. His double leg was unstoppable.
Speaker 6: Even if you were a high level D one wrestler,
Speaker 6: he was gonna take you down. It was just a
Speaker 6: matter of time. He was so quick with his jab,
Speaker 6: he was so those are things that brought out a
Speaker 6: lot of the natural instincts and strengths of George Pierre
Speaker 6: as a fighter. So of course it's like, hey, I'm fast.
Speaker 6: I like doing fast things, no shit. So you know,
Speaker 6: so that certainly catered to his style and and to
Speaker 6: him as an athlete. So but I do think there's
Speaker 6: value across the board for that, because a lot of
Speaker 6: the sport is kind of being able to be explosive
Speaker 6: and then recover quickly, be explosive again, recover quickly.
Speaker 7: But then you have the Dias brothers on the other
Speaker 7: side of the equation who.
Speaker 6: Are doing more long sustained cardio right where you're kind
Speaker 6: of staying at a certain heart rate for long periods
Speaker 6: of time.
Speaker 7: And I don't think anyone will question their cardio right.
Speaker 7: So it's all different.
Speaker 6: Like Ray said, it's what's going to help you mentally
Speaker 6: as a fighter and also what caters to you as
Speaker 6: a fighter. But George is also correct. Efficiency is king
Speaker 6: in martial arts. In anything you do. Your ability to
Speaker 6: hold onto your energy, preserve your energy, sustain your energy
Speaker 6: is absolutely critical to the game.
Speaker 2: And George is a guy you know, gymnastics, whatever it was, balance,
Speaker 2: the physio ball, he hit it all and he's the
Speaker 2: guy's of martial artists. He enjoys it, that's the problem.
Speaker 2: He really, I believe, loves it. You can see his
Speaker 2: passions when he's talking about it. And that's John, I
Speaker 2: will guarantee you. That's more what Kenny said, like given
Speaker 2: him run in ten if it makes him feel good,
Speaker 2: you know, feel good, do good man. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: that's it. It's that simple. Some guys should don't even
Speaker 2: have to do car. I think if you could spart
Speaker 2: ten fives in a row, what are you doing cardio?
Speaker 2: Fore you're doing it, that's your cardio and that that's
Speaker 2: a big thing, man. The big thing is making a
Speaker 2: guy believe that he's in a good spot. Either you
Speaker 2: have to do it or he has to do it,
Speaker 2: but you have to believe you did everything right. And
Speaker 2: I could tell you back in the day, if I
Speaker 2: was off on the training and right it and torture
Speaker 2: certain people, he go, what what he doing? I don't
Speaker 2: feel good. I have to be taching. It's just that's
Speaker 2: the way it is today. And I talked to a
Speaker 2: lot of coaches. Nobody wants to put the fucking work
Speaker 2: in anymore. They just don't. It's we're in a TikTok generation.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck is. We kind of
Speaker 2: all came up the other night saying it has to
Speaker 2: be social media. That's the common denominator over the last
Speaker 2: ten years, that people are more interested in putting a
Speaker 2: post on and getting the arrest to the fucking hills
Speaker 2: and running like there's nothing stopping you from building your
Speaker 2: cardio every fucking day. There's nothing stopping you from that
Speaker 2: except yourself.
Speaker 5: And I know you're gonna go push the sled right now,
Speaker 5: probably at the gym, so we will let you get
Speaker 5: on with it. I hope you have a great day
Speaker 5: and a better evening and uh save travels to Las Vegas.
Speaker 5: We wish you all the best Algamain Sterling plus one
Speaker 5: forty Right now, we'll see where it closes moment.
Speaker 2: Let's fucking go, well, Jed's gonna close as an even fight.
Speaker 5: I guarantee you you're fucking crazy, Get out of your
Speaker 5: fucking get out of here.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Ray, you buston fucking fools. Get me the
Speaker 2: fuck out of this place.
Speaker 7: I believe.
Speaker 5: I mean, this has been like an Aljamain Sterling promotional
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Speaker 7: So Ray Longo needs to check.
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Speaker 5: Are you clapping?
Speaker 2: Jay?
Speaker 5: I mean you have an applause button on a board
Speaker 5: to your right. You got your shitty applause, your focus
Speaker 5: on earlier, you kept my boy Mattie Betts waiting like
Speaker 5: twelve minutes in the back. I didn't even get to
Speaker 5: launch on the George saying Pierre thing I brought to
Speaker 5: the program get to my boy Tanner. Well, I think
Speaker 5: Matti Betts would blame Ray Longo for the delayed start. Maddie,
Speaker 5: it's great to see you, brother. So of all the
Speaker 5: different things that you bring to this MMA space and
Speaker 5: the gambling space, I would argue the best thing you
Speaker 5: bring to it is not your looks nor your personality.
Speaker 7: It's your psycho parlay.
Speaker 5: And within the last several weeks you have hit one
Speaker 5: of these parlays and if you don't know, it's one
Speaker 5: fighter by knockout, one by submission, and then one by
Speaker 5: decision and you recently hit one. These are six figure
Speaker 5: hits off in times over one hundred thousand dollars. So
Speaker 5: we'd like to hear about that major on the Anaki
Speaker 5: Florian podcast.
Speaker 8: Yeah, unfortunately, we didn't even hit a single leg this
Speaker 8: past week, but that's how it goes usually. So usually
Speaker 8: I hit one and then I go cold for like
Speaker 8: three months, and then I hit another one.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 8: But if you hit him at twenty five to one
Speaker 8: thirty five to one, you can lose. You can lose
Speaker 8: half a year straight and still be up money. So
Speaker 8: that's been the success of it. I've hit five of
Speaker 8: them now in the year. Yeah, five total. The very
Speaker 8: first one I ever hit was the hamzat chamaiv's submission
Speaker 8: was the last leg in the main event against Robert Whittaker.
Speaker 8: That was the birth of the cycle parlay.
Speaker 2: And the.
Speaker 8: Very last one I hit was was was money moi
Speaker 8: kanas sub was the last leg so was I believe
Speaker 8: it was three k to win one hundred and seven thousand, wow.
Speaker 7: And on that one it was your boy Moykano coming
Speaker 7: through for you.
Speaker 8: Came through, but you would not believe the first leg,
Speaker 8: which fight was it women's MMA fight where the fight
Speaker 8: got stopped? H did the DQ?
Speaker 2: They didn't?
Speaker 8: They they restarted the fight and it went the distance.
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, Yeah, I don't what you're talking.
Speaker 5: Are not and.
Speaker 8: I should know this? Uh yeah? But they stopped the
Speaker 8: fight in the in the second round and then she
Speaker 8: won what twenty nine twenty seven on the scorecards because
Speaker 8: of the point deduction whatever it was. So I thought
Speaker 8: the parlay was done. On the first leg, I was like,
Speaker 8: the easiest leg was like plus one ten. I was like,
Speaker 8: it's over. They restart the fight, the fight ends, get
Speaker 8: get the decision that I hit the ko leg and
Speaker 8: then the last leg was Mokana's sub to end it.
Speaker 8: Uh and no one believed the Moana in that fight.
Speaker 8: So it was kind of a good spot. It was
Speaker 8: on the Duncan train, but he came through for us,
Speaker 8: so right, I felt very good about it after the
Speaker 8: first round because the job was working. He was tired,
Speaker 8: Duncan out and I was like, eventually he's going to
Speaker 8: get his back, and so I felt good about it.
Speaker 8: So it was nice to cash one on Moiicano.
Speaker 5: And last weekend you hit Barbosa on that What did
Speaker 5: you hit?
Speaker 8: That was the one good bet I hit. I had
Speaker 8: a her end this week. I took a haircut on Gilbert.
Speaker 8: Of course, all the support. I've took a haircut on
Speaker 8: Gilbert a few times in a row now, But yeah,
Speaker 8: I hit the two legger was under one and a
Speaker 8: half in that fight, and then the first leg was
Speaker 8: the fight before and I can't remember now the submission
Speaker 8: with Robert Valentine submission at plus two ten.
Speaker 7: So I hit that one.
Speaker 8: But I had a pretty bad car last week, so
Speaker 8: I'm hoping to bounce back for this one.
Speaker 5: So Gilbert, let's just stay there for a minute. I
Speaker 5: host another show. I talked about him all morning on
Speaker 5: that They've touched on him here. I know you've known
Speaker 5: him for a long time hosting the show Me the
Speaker 5: Money podcast with Mokano. We could take it any number
Speaker 5: of ways with Gilbert right, whether it's five straight losses,
Speaker 5: all his boys with him, the brilliant career, the last
Speaker 5: five losses, everybody right up at contention or a champion,
Speaker 5: But he's one of the most special human beings. I've
Speaker 5: met in this game, and in a game where there
Speaker 5: are a lot of special people talk to us about
Speaker 5: your boy a little bit.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, I.
Speaker 8: Was, you know, going into the fight, I was a
Speaker 8: little bit nervous, you know. I think I think he
Speaker 8: fought better than some of his recent fights, right, he
Speaker 8: made it in the round three. He went out on
Speaker 8: a shield. And there's so many great things you say
Speaker 8: about him. I mean literally, I can't name anyone that's
Speaker 8: had a harder resume in MMA. I mean, the last
Speaker 8: four or five six fights he's had has been incredible.
Speaker 8: But you hit the nail on the head, Jason. He's
Speaker 8: just the greatest human being. Like he runs into people,
Speaker 8: he's no idea who. They already treats him like he's
Speaker 8: like his best friend, you know, and everyone says the
Speaker 8: same exact things. Like I was in the sauna yesterday
Speaker 8: at Lifetime and some random guy comes up to me
Speaker 8: in the sauna and said that exact thing to me.
Speaker 8: He said, I met Gilbert the other day and it
Speaker 8: was like he knew me for ten years, He's never
Speaker 8: met me before. He's like, he just treats every person
Speaker 8: like that. So I think, just what he's done in
Speaker 8: his career, how he's treated people, how he's inspired people.
Speaker 8: It's been remarkable to watch, you know. And my favorite
Speaker 8: fight of all time is the Goer Burns versus Hams
Speaker 8: out fight. Me too, I was there live AND's still
Speaker 8: to this day. My favorite fight meeto Josh Hoagan fights
Speaker 8: up there now that that was pretty pretty insane.
Speaker 5: So, Kenny, your last UFC fight was against Jose out
Speaker 5: of October twenty eleven for the UFC featherweight title, And
Speaker 5: I know you fought for the belt more than once, right,
Speaker 5: But like Gilbert and we talked about this earlier, Maddie,
Speaker 5: but I just want to get Kenny's thoughts on it.
Speaker 5: You know, he was so married to the game and
Speaker 5: so focused on winning a UFC title and so obsessive
Speaker 5: about the details. And you know, if you beat Mike Malot, right,
Speaker 5: it's like the window is still open, even if it's
Speaker 5: one percent. And I just wonder, Kenny, how you sort
Speaker 5: of deal with the disappointment. I mean, yes, he's retiring, right,
Speaker 5: and not on the high note like some other fighters
Speaker 5: have been able to. But I think for Gilbert, you know,
Speaker 5: it's like you still think you could be the best
Speaker 5: in the world until you don't.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that he was really a thinking man's fighter,
Speaker 6: and sometimes that can be kryptonite in mixed martial arts
Speaker 6: because you can overthink things.
Speaker 7: And he talked a little bit about how he would
Speaker 7: always expect.
Speaker 6: To do a certain thing during a fight and his
Speaker 6: performance wouldn't really indicate what he thought he would be
Speaker 6: able to do. And I think that's a good indication
Speaker 6: that maybe it's time to get out of the game
Speaker 6: because this game is absolutely brutal. Gilbert's given us so
Speaker 6: many great fights. He has fought the best in the world,
Speaker 6: and he knows it's time. Had an unbelievable jiu jitsu
Speaker 6: career and unbelievable mixed martial arts career. Again, he's achieved
Speaker 6: what very few people can ever achieve in both.
Speaker 7: Of those sports. So I think he can retire with
Speaker 7: his head up high.
Speaker 6: And again, props to him for recognizing that, Hey, you
Speaker 6: know what, it's time, because a lot of fighters don't.
Speaker 6: They hang out in the game for too long and
Speaker 6: now physically suffer because of it. Well, I think he's
Speaker 6: getting out at the right time.
Speaker 5: Maddi bets Jason Anak with us live on the Anaki
Speaker 5: flooring podcast powered by all the smoke fights. So, Maddie,
Speaker 5: your flagship show for home of fight to show Me
Speaker 5: the Money podcast. Gilbert Burns is now retiring, and I'd
Speaker 5: imagine he'll be omnipresent on the show even more so now.
Speaker 5: But when moy Kano's fighting Duncan, right, like, you need
Speaker 5: a win for your show?
Speaker 7: Yeah, right, like I.
Speaker 5: Mean, and certainly a lot of people well, no, a
Speaker 5: lot of people were planting their flag on Chris Duncan.
Speaker 5: And no, I mean, like we we went Ray Longo, right,
Speaker 5: there have been times with Ray Longo where it's like, man,
Speaker 5: it'd be really good if one of Longo's guys could emerge,
Speaker 5: and then Morob fucking becomes the greatest band of Weight
Speaker 5: of all time, and it's great for our show, right, Like, so,
Speaker 5: but that win for your show and capping that, but
Speaker 5: like that was big for your podcast and your brand,
Speaker 5: was it not?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 8: One hundred percent? People were even texting me they were like,
Speaker 8: what happens in Moykana knocks out Chris Duncan. I was like, bro,
Speaker 8: I'm gonna be happy for him. I'm gonna be happy
Speaker 8: for for him, happy for the show, right right, so
Speaker 8: I'm not gonna win one hundred and seven thousand dollars.
Speaker 8: I was not gonna be happy for the guy, you know.
Speaker 8: So people don't believe that, but you want to believe
Speaker 8: the comments that I get. I mean, I get these
Speaker 8: trolls on social media that said that I'm making money
Speaker 8: betting against Gilbert every fight the past, the past five fights.
Speaker 8: They're like, I bet on Michael out by Ko. I
Speaker 8: was like, I go to Gilbert's fights. I didn't go
Speaker 8: to this one, but I was like, I went to
Speaker 8: his apex card. I was like, I've lost tens of
Speaker 8: thousands of dollars. I bet Conna when his fucking shoulder
Speaker 8: was popped out and I was the only one to
Speaker 8: know about it. I still bet on him against BSD.
Speaker 8: So like, I'm always gonna bet on my guys, I'm
Speaker 8: not gonna fade them. I'm not gonna, you know, bet
Speaker 8: the other side. That's just ridiculous to me.
Speaker 5: That's loyalty, right, But the loyalty is not going to
Speaker 5: have you fly from South Florida to fucking Winnipeg. MANITOA
Speaker 5: all right, let's get a few picks if we could.
Speaker 5: By the way, do you do a cycle parlay for
Speaker 5: every single card.
Speaker 8: Every card, sometimes two per card, usually one. The problem
Speaker 8: is that you can't do them this early in the
Speaker 8: week just because the prop markets aren't really out yet.
Speaker 8: Maybe in some off shores you get a couple of
Speaker 8: numbers like on like the bed On Lines of the World,
Speaker 8: but uh, you know you're not going to see them
Speaker 8: on like dk FanDuel hard Rock, any of the the
Speaker 8: US books usually to Wednesday or Thursday. I can try
Speaker 8: to still give you like what I'm leaning towards, but.
Speaker 5: Well wait, we'll direct people to your channel. But are
Speaker 5: these all three thousand dollars bets or does the the
Speaker 5: wager change the amount?
Speaker 7: Say it again, are they all three thousand dollars?
Speaker 2: Oh no, Yeah.
Speaker 8: So if it's like if it's a huge long shot,
Speaker 8: like like for example, I hit a one for two
Speaker 8: K to win one hundred and seventeen. That was like
Speaker 8: fifty something to one. But if it's like a fifteen
Speaker 8: to one, I got to raise the bet. My goal
Speaker 8: is always to hit six figures, right, So if it's
Speaker 8: like a fIF if it's like a twenty to one cycle,
Speaker 8: I gotta put five plus k on it. So I'm
Speaker 8: always betting to win over one hundred thousand. That's just
Speaker 8: how I've always done it, so and then cycle partly
Speaker 8: might range from like fifteen to one all the way
Speaker 8: up to one hundred to one was this past week,
Speaker 8: which is probably why every leg missed, But it was
Speaker 8: ninety nine to one on on Gilbert's Car.
Speaker 7: Man, Maddie, go ahead, Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 6: I was going to ask about something totally different, So
Speaker 6: if you have something related, Joe.
Speaker 5: Oh, I have my calculator on my phone out because
Speaker 5: I'm trying to figure out what the annual commitment would
Speaker 5: be if I wanted to ride. They No, I don't
Speaker 5: necessarily have one hundred thousand dollars for this initiative right now.
Speaker 5: But John three grand was a good average, right, three grand?
Speaker 5: You know you're doing about You got hit one out
Speaker 5: every twenty five or thirty.
Speaker 7: It's not bad.
Speaker 5: You go go along for the ride and starting to
Speaker 5: hit him more often.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna ride this weekend.
Speaker 8: The hard part is when people start tailing after a
Speaker 8: win and they've never tailed before, and then they lose
Speaker 8: two and a half months straight and then they hate me.
Speaker 8: My brother, there's nothing I can do.
Speaker 5: Hey, a smaller bankroll pay attention to individual legs. I
Speaker 5: love tailing individual sure.
Speaker 8: I mean, Jason, how many weeks have I gone two
Speaker 8: and one on the cycle exactly? Oh my god, it's
Speaker 8: it's devastating.
Speaker 6: It's called the psycho parlay for a reason, Maddie. I
Speaker 6: don't know how deep you went down the card, Jenny, No.
Speaker 9: Cycle, so many, so.
Speaker 8: Many people think it's the psycho parlay.
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 2: The cycle is the reference to.
Speaker 8: Baseball where you hit like a batter, had some singles,
Speaker 8: double triple home run, and you go around the bases.
Speaker 8: So that's hilarious.
Speaker 2: I made it.
Speaker 6: I was like, yeah, that makes sense. It's this guy's
Speaker 6: a man, truthful, you can call it. I don't know
Speaker 6: how deep you went down the card, Maddie. But did
Speaker 6: you see the JJ Aldrich fight versus Jamie Lynnhart. Were
Speaker 6: you disappointed with that with that decision, because again a
Speaker 6: lot of people were freaking out about it, and you know,
Speaker 6: my buddy's over a three punch convo. They ended up
Speaker 6: sending robbery insurance. They actually paid out the whole night.
Speaker 6: They thought the decision was so bad. It was the
Speaker 6: first time they've been able to do that, which I
Speaker 6: thought was cool. But what I didn't think it was
Speaker 6: so bad of a decision.
Speaker 7: But what do you think on that?
Speaker 8: So I mixed emotions on it because so I had
Speaker 8: Jamie Lyndhorth by decision. I had a women's cycle parlay
Speaker 8: which didn't hit anyways, but I had Jamie Lynnhorth by
Speaker 8: decision as the first leg. And I'm watching this fight
Speaker 8: and I'm like, okay, j j Auders landing for four
Speaker 8: to six significant strikes in round one, So I was like,
Speaker 8: she come out of won round one, right, right. So
Speaker 8: then I watched I watched the live odds drought every fight.
Speaker 8: I go in the round two, I'm like, round two
Speaker 8: is kind of close. I was like, could be one one,
Speaker 8: it's probably two Jamie. Then round three was close too.
Speaker 8: But I'm watching these live odds and jamielyn Horth is
Speaker 8: minus ten thousand at the end of round three on
Speaker 8: hard rocks. I'm watching because I'm in Florida, so I'm
Speaker 8: watching whatever book is right here with me. I'm on
Speaker 8: all these different apps, prediction markets everywhere, and I'm watching
Speaker 8: the live odds, and but the width is so bad.
Speaker 8: It's like plus two thousand for Audred's minus ten thousand
Speaker 8: for Jamie. But I'm sitting there with my boys and
Speaker 8: I'm like, I'm like, Jamie clearly won that fight in
Speaker 8: my opinion, but I was like, we've seen crazy as shit.
Speaker 8: I swear to god, I almost met the J J
Speaker 8: Orders side at plus two thousand, and I didn't do it.
Speaker 8: Oh but then when the fight, when the fight played,
Speaker 8: when the decisions came out, I was so upset because
Speaker 8: I was like, it could have been an argument three
Speaker 8: or you know, or at least two harm for Jamie.
Speaker 8: I was, you know, but again, that's just what we've
Speaker 8: dealt with. I think there's been worse ones. I think
Speaker 8: everyone so I think it was kind of an overreaction,
Speaker 8: but I do think she won the fight clearly. So
Speaker 8: I don't know what you what your guys' opinion is.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna have to go back and watch it now.
Speaker 5: That is interesting that Three Punch Convo paid out that
Speaker 5: robbery insurance and yet Ken Flow doesn't necessarily think it
Speaker 5: qualifies as a as a robbery, which means that I'm
Speaker 5: gonna it was close.
Speaker 7: Well, go watch it back. Yeah, I saw it exactly
Speaker 7: how Maddie saw it.
Speaker 6: I thought round two was close, like I would have
Speaker 6: liked to see horse throw a little bit more to
Speaker 6: kind of put a little bit more emphasis on the
Speaker 6: on that round for her.
Speaker 7: But and then round three, I thought J J. Aldridge one.
Speaker 6: So it came down to maybe round two for me.
Speaker 6: But it was clear for horth Uh in round one,
Speaker 6: so yeah, crazy, all right?
Speaker 2: Cool?
Speaker 6: I think it was like over ninety percent of verdict
Speaker 6: had it for for Horth but oh wow, it was fine.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was I the only other thing I had
Speaker 5: in my notes Vicente Luke at the airport with all
Speaker 5: those people to greet Gilbert Burns right when he came
Speaker 5: home from his retirement fight. Find that video on social
Speaker 5: media if you haven't seen it already. All right, I
Speaker 5: want to get a couple of picks from you guys.
Speaker 5: I fights for UFC Fight Night, Sterling versus Zalal this weekend.
Speaker 5: Ray Longo absolutely bullish on al jaminer Sterling's chances. Maddie,
Speaker 5: he is the plus one forty underdog seventh rank contender,
Speaker 5: use of Zalal is the favorite who is minus won
Speaker 5: sixty six. Little background for you, so Sterling two and
Speaker 5: one since moving up to featherweight. The Brian Ortega win
Speaker 5: actually was contested at a catchweight of one hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty three pounds and Yusuf Zalal's story well documented outside
Speaker 5: the UFC. He was cut comes back after a year
Speaker 5: and a half since returning in twenty twenty four, just
Speaker 5: on fire five straight UFC wins, eight straight wins overall. Maddie,
Speaker 5: will this factor into your gambling this weekend? And do
Speaker 5: you have a strong conviction on the man events?
Speaker 8: Yeah? I mean so I was listening to to way
Speaker 8: longer at the end when I when I jumped on here.
Speaker 8: I definitely don't think Ali is gonna come back down
Speaker 8: to a pick him. But he was minus one fifty
Speaker 8: and he's he's up to plus one forty right now,
Speaker 8: So so now's the time to take him if you
Speaker 8: like Aljamin Sterling, because it could to be fair by Saturday,
Speaker 8: it could dip down back a little bit. I don't
Speaker 8: know that I will. I think we'll probably see it
Speaker 8: close around plus one forty range, But it just depends,
Speaker 8: like what angle you like on this fight? Do you
Speaker 8: like the striking volume and the experience of al Jo
Speaker 8: or do you like like the defense has allow he
Speaker 8: is very good striking defense and then actually is allowed
Speaker 8: he he he more than two x's is the submission
Speaker 8: attempts at Algie every fight, which I thought was interesting,
Speaker 8: you know Aljoe, And obviously it's a smaller sample size,
Speaker 8: but I actually cashed on is allowed by submission over
Speaker 8: Josh Emma in his last fight, and it paid nice.
Speaker 8: I was shocked how how quick and easy he made
Speaker 8: that look. I mean, it was unbelievable. But it's a
Speaker 8: I think it's a very close fight. I think that
Speaker 8: this is a fight that if you want to play
Speaker 8: a prop on, I would look the Aljamain decision route
Speaker 8: because he is the higher striking valume he has. You know,
Speaker 8: he has the five round experience, he has the gas tank.
Speaker 8: I think in forty five, I think that he could
Speaker 8: win this fight on the scorecards. I'm guessing you're gonna
Speaker 8: get close to plus two to fifty range on that decision, prop.
Speaker 8: So I kind of like that. As far as a
Speaker 8: straight pick them, I would probably go as allowed. But
Speaker 8: it's so close it really is. I'm more of a
Speaker 8: prop better. I don't really I don't love the bet
Speaker 8: money lines, but I think it's a fifty to fifty fight,
Speaker 8: so I guess you have to side with Aldro at
Speaker 8: the current price, and then I do like him on
Speaker 8: the decision prop for sure.
Speaker 5: Well laid out as usual, Yusuf Zilal has never been
Speaker 5: finished as an MMA pro. Kenny for a while he
Speaker 5: was in a lot of close fights, but not anymore.
Speaker 5: Eighth straight wins, seven of those have been finishes and
Speaker 5: as much momentum as al Joe has, I think in
Speaker 5: his own mind sometimes the issue is just you run
Speaker 5: in to younger, fresher opponent who is just set in
Speaker 5: the world on fire. Zilal minus one sixty six Aljo
Speaker 5: plus one forty camp flow your.
Speaker 6: Thoughts, Yeah, I think that it is a very close fight,
Speaker 6: and Zilal is a guy that has really been shining
Speaker 6: on a lot of these fight nights and doing extremely well.
Speaker 6: I think he's facing, without a doubt, the toughest competition
Speaker 6: of his career. Al Jo has a ton of experience,
Speaker 6: and he's got a style where positionally al Jo does
Speaker 6: a great job of nullifying a lot of your offense,
Speaker 6: and he's an awkward guy to fight on the feet
Speaker 6: as well. And the fact that Ray's talking about al
Speaker 6: Jo working on his striking leading up to this fight,
Speaker 6: I think is a good sign. I don't think that
Speaker 6: should be the primary way that he approaches this fight
Speaker 6: against the law. I think he still should lean on
Speaker 6: his grappling and his position to get that top position
Speaker 6: and slows the lall down. See if he can take
Speaker 6: it to the later rounds where maybe he can get
Speaker 6: a submission on Zola himself. But you know, as Maddie
Speaker 6: was talking about, you know, always no slouch on the
Speaker 6: ground either.
Speaker 7: He's very capable.
Speaker 6: He's very dangerous both on the feed and on the ground.
Speaker 6: But because it's a close fight and because of the odds, I.
Speaker 5: Like Aljo here as well, Jay, both of these guys
Speaker 5: see some value on the Aljamin Sterling side. I know
Speaker 5: you need to make a deposit if you're gonna be
Speaker 5: betting on this this weekend, But rab you know, hard
Speaker 5: drop fat doesn't allow me a wager on my cellar telling.
Speaker 5: But I will say Zillala is five to ten, and
Speaker 5: I think he really is, and al Jo is there
Speaker 5: is They are going to look different in terms of
Speaker 5: their size. But I do feel like Aljo sort of
Speaker 5: playing with house money here. He achieved what he did
Speaker 5: in the bantamweight division. I think we'd all love to
Speaker 5: see him potentially make a run at forty five. I
Speaker 5: think the winner of this fight is gonna make some
Speaker 5: noise and have a really big fight coming up next.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't pick against Aljo because I do consider him
Speaker 5: a friend to some extent, and I like him very much,
Speaker 5: and I like that plus number by his name, and
Speaker 5: I just also think, you know, you think about that
Speaker 5: what we talked about earlier with Tiporia and the mental game.
Speaker 5: Aljamain Sterling I think is so mentally forged to compete
Speaker 5: in the UFC at this stage. That is a hard
Speaker 5: guy to bet against for me. But I think Zillal
Speaker 5: is a problem, and I tend to go with the
Speaker 5: younger fighter if forced to choose in these sort of matchups.
Speaker 5: I want to get some thoughts on the Comaine event quickly,
Speaker 5: pretty lean fight car. We got Alexander Hernandez and Rotha
Speaker 5: Garcia fighting in the future belt. We'll talk to Alexander
Speaker 5: coming up here in about five minutes. But Comine Event
Speaker 5: Maddie at bantamweight. Shout out to Brian Petrie, Big norm
Speaker 5: third rank, Norma Dumont minus two oh five, number eleven,
Speaker 5: Joscelyn Edwards plus one seventy and we talked about this
Speaker 5: a little bit earlier.
Speaker 7: Right but right place, right time.
Speaker 5: Life is about timing, and for Norma Dumont, the timing
Speaker 5: of Amanda Neunez's return and Kayla Harrison's next surgery couldn't
Speaker 5: be worse for her. She's won six in a row.
Speaker 5: It was gonna be Jana Santos this weekend. Instead it
Speaker 5: will be the shrieking Panamanian Joscelyn Edwards, who has won
Speaker 5: her last four Kenny start us off on the comain event.
Speaker 5: Any strong lean either way?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I like Norma. Uh you know, I
Speaker 6: think big norm I think she's the better striker overall.
Speaker 6: I think she's more consistent, and I think, you know,
Speaker 6: just her comfort level in the octagon now is just
Speaker 6: way different than we saw, you know, a few years ago.
Speaker 6: So I like the way she mixes everything up. I
Speaker 6: think she's more versatile as a striker. I think she's
Speaker 6: harder to get a read on. Justlyin Edwards has some
Speaker 6: momentum heading into this one as well. I think she's
Speaker 6: she's pretty dangerous. But I think also where Norma can
Speaker 6: win this fight is taking it to the ground. So
Speaker 6: give me Big norm Maddie.
Speaker 7: I know you prepared the comin event.
Speaker 8: What do you think I'm with Kenny here. I love
Speaker 8: norm I love her this matchup the defense and wrestling here,
Speaker 8: I think it'd be the two biggest things. She's a
Speaker 8: fifty six percent takedown accuracy that's compared to Joscelyn edwards
Speaker 8: forty percent, and I just think that Norma Dumont's also
Speaker 8: fought the tougher competition and then the striking defense a
Speaker 8: fifteen percent difference. Jocelyn throws a little bit more, but
Speaker 8: Norma dumont sixty five percent striking defense, which is a
Speaker 8: at bandon weight compared to Jocelyn's fifty percent. I think
Speaker 8: she's honestly better everywhere. You can say Joscelyn Edwards might
Speaker 8: have the better finishing up side, but is that more
Speaker 8: of a recency biased thing just facing the lower level competition.
Speaker 8: I think she's won three or four fights in a
Speaker 8: row by stoppage. I love Norma Dumont. She's never been submitted,
Speaker 8: and I think you pair that with a sixty five
Speaker 8: percent striking defense, I don't think Joscelyn Edwards has much
Speaker 8: of a chance of finishing her, and then I think
Speaker 8: she can get more takedowns and she can be safer defensively,
Speaker 8: So I think it's a twenty nine to twenty eighth
Speaker 8: decision easily, and I think the price warrants it. I
Speaker 8: think she wins seven or eight out of ten times
Speaker 8: easily this fight. So I'm a good Norman Dumont, one
Speaker 8: of my better, one of my favorite favorites on the
Speaker 8: card for sure.
Speaker 5: Well, if she makes it seven in a row, I
Speaker 5: don't know. If you wait and see what happens. Kayla
Speaker 5: Harrison has sort of hinted that her fight against Amanda Noonz,
Speaker 5: whenever it happens, is going to be her last at
Speaker 5: thirty five. So maybe if you're big norm, you just
Speaker 5: kind of fucking bide your time and see what happened.
Speaker 5: All right, So let us get your wagers. It is
Speaker 5: time for place your bets. You have one thousand dollars
Speaker 5: to spend. Here we quickly update the results UFC fight
Speaker 5: Night Burns versus melot Ken. Flow put his band on Nalo,
Speaker 5: so it takes him from the black end of the
Speaker 5: the year.
Speaker 8: I feel you're paid on that one. I had the
Speaker 8: under in that fight, but I also had a Nalo
Speaker 8: by sub and man I thought I was about a
Speaker 8: club and sub and then he got countered.
Speaker 5: I was like, yep, all right, so Maddy bets getting
Speaker 5: recognized and saunas around the world.
Speaker 7: These days we have.
Speaker 5: H what do you have for us for UFC Fight
Speaker 5: Night story versus alone?
Speaker 8: So this is hard for me to do this early
Speaker 8: in the week without prop market, But uh, I can
Speaker 8: just go Can I just go all in for the thousands?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 8: If I want to be safe here, I'm just going
Speaker 8: all in on Norma money line. But I kind of
Speaker 8: want to parlay it with al Joe.
Speaker 5: Why don't you just after your stack? Well, first of all,
Speaker 5: what book is this DraftKings sports book?
Speaker 8: Okay, all right, I'm on the I thought, so I'm
Speaker 8: on the DraftKings app Let me see if there's a
Speaker 8: total in the Algro fight listed, because I can go
Speaker 8: over the total with Norma. I think that's what I'm
Speaker 8: gonna do.
Speaker 7: Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, I didn't see
Speaker 7: them this morning.
Speaker 5: And again that's the inconvenient truth of oh yeah, I'm
Speaker 5: on a Monday, is that we ask our handicappers to
Speaker 5: uh to come with it. Oh, you still get the price,
Speaker 5: you can use it. We'll get it later in the
Speaker 5: week is absolutely fine. I think what the listeners will
Speaker 5: extract is big time conviction on Big Norm.
Speaker 8: Big Norm.
Speaker 2: Let me.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna go for the sake of the show. Let
Speaker 8: me let me go all in one thousand dollars on
Speaker 8: Doumont money line, all.
Speaker 5: Right, and if you change your mind, the show will
Speaker 5: tweet that out can thousand dollars to spend. Right, You're
Speaker 5: wrong from last week, kid, which way you're going.
Speaker 7: I'm a very experienced gambler.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go with the Psycho parlay here now, yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm with Maddie here. I like both of those bets.
Speaker 6: And I struggled a little bit of how I was
Speaker 6: going to approach this. Was I going to put a
Speaker 6: full band on Al Joe. But you know, I'm now
Speaker 6: I have all this trepidation because that last one with Nallo,
Speaker 6: it just ruined my confidence as a picker. But I'm
Speaker 6: gonna go seven fifty on Norma for the win and
Speaker 6: then put the remaining two fitty on al Jamaine Sterling.
Speaker 8: Let's go.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 9: I like that.
Speaker 5: You guys better hope that l Pan, Teta, Josh and
Speaker 5: Edwards doesn't become a Panamanian problem this weekend. So, Maddy
Speaker 5: Bets tremendous job building the home of fight brand, and
Speaker 5: your own brand is absolutely flying off the shelves.
Speaker 7: Will you be sitting down with Gilbert Burns at some
Speaker 7: point this week or.
Speaker 8: No, Uh, we'll see. I'm not gonna He's got a
Speaker 8: lot going on. It's probably not. Probably in their future
Speaker 8: though all.
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Speaker 2: All right, now.
Speaker 5: Joining us on the guest line really one of my
Speaker 5: favorite people that I have crossed in this fight game,
Speaker 5: Alexander the Great ape el Chon Grango, Hernandez.
Speaker 7: My man, it's great to see your brother. How we
Speaker 7: do it?
Speaker 9: You too, Man, I appreciate that you're also a top
Speaker 9: person in the world for me too, Man, I appreciate.
Speaker 5: You well, I think, bro, I really, I mean you
Speaker 5: certainly in our first fighter meeting made an impression, and
Speaker 5: then you went out and had that UFC debut, and
Speaker 5: I think back to twenty eighteen and so a lot
Speaker 5: of us were just sort of waiting to see what
Speaker 5: you would do next. And now I think you're realizing
Speaker 5: a lot of that potential. But you're a seventeen time
Speaker 5: UFC veteran. I don't know if it feels like it's
Speaker 5: been quickly or like does it feel like a blink
Speaker 5: or do you feel like you've been able to live
Speaker 5: in the moment and enjoy some of the fruits along
Speaker 5: the way.
Speaker 9: I mean, it's definitely been a ride. It's for sure.
Speaker 9: It's for sure been a roller coaster. I disassociated from
Speaker 9: the count a while ago once the record stopped going
Speaker 9: my way, so I didn't realize it was the seventeenth number.
Speaker 9: Iknew we're getting close to twenty.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 9: But no, it's been a It's definitely been a journey.
Speaker 9: It's been a journey, and I've kind of switched through
Speaker 9: different mindsets to sort of reach what I feel like
Speaker 9: is a is a solid state of performance. But yeah,
Speaker 9: kind of been a good groove right now. Man, I
Speaker 9: feel I feel pretty good about things, and at this
Speaker 9: point just really trying to be an artist of sorts,
Speaker 9: you know, impressed myself and myself proud and maybe Gardner
Speaker 9: a fan or two along the way.
Speaker 7: Well, you're doing that, man.
Speaker 5: Four straight wins and you're fighting Rotha Garcia of course
Speaker 5: coming up this weekend.
Speaker 7: You can see it live on Paramount Plus.
Speaker 5: But the biggest fight of your career and a lot
Speaker 5: of respects was to happen in January as you try
Speaker 5: to extend your winning treats against Michael Johnson at UFC
Speaker 5: three twenty four.
Speaker 7: Fight gets canceled day of the event.
Speaker 5: No official reason given by the UFC, there was notable
Speaker 5: betting line movement. Some speculated you were dealing with an injury,
Speaker 5: and I know you have been just dealing with the
Speaker 5: frustration and all of that. Thankfully you get back on
Speaker 5: the proven ground this weekend. But what was it like
Speaker 5: to sort of experience that and have that Michael Johnson
Speaker 5: fight go away?
Speaker 9: Yeah, that was a pretty surreal experience, going from the uh,
Speaker 9: the ceremonial way into being accosted by two FEDS in
Speaker 9: the back and being accused of fixing a money line.
Speaker 9: So that was that was like being caught in a
Speaker 9: daytime drama but you're you're the cinema and uh, and
Speaker 9: it was. It was pretty insane coming off of a
Speaker 9: large weight cut and no hours of sleep to be
Speaker 9: just lundered in a room by two FEDS suited up.
Speaker 9: So that was, uh, yeah, that was fucking nuts. That
Speaker 9: was a nuts experience. And then and then just the
Speaker 9: way I was kind of cast aside. You know, I'm
Speaker 9: definitely working through, working through all the logistics with the
Speaker 9: UFC and fortunately able to get back into the proving
Speaker 9: grounds against Rafah. But yeah, man, that was a headache
Speaker 9: and a half for about five weeks clearing things up
Speaker 9: with the FED and and just just dealing with the
Speaker 9: UFC and just dealing with everyone. You know, that was
Speaker 9: honestly a nightmare. Is a crazy situation to be in,
Speaker 9: and something that I don't think anyone's ever been in,
Speaker 9: you know, certainly certainly not someone being falsely accused of something.
Speaker 9: This is kind of a new territory for all parties involved.
Speaker 9: And so you know, giving a lot of grace to
Speaker 9: you know, the UFC and everyone involved.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that is crazy, man, Alex.
Speaker 6: You talked a little bit about maybe finding that right mindset, uh,
Speaker 6: and maybe finding that right recipe.
Speaker 7: What is that mindset that you're talking about.
Speaker 9: It kind of comes in ways, man, for for a while.
Speaker 9: You know, it's easy, man, it's really easy just beating
Speaker 9: people up, you know. But h but combat to craft,
Speaker 9: you know, for fighting is an art. And at this
Speaker 9: date of my career, there's a lot of ways to
Speaker 9: make money. If I want to make money this way,
Speaker 9: I like to really exude some form of artistry out
Speaker 9: of myself. I really like to show myself as an
Speaker 9: artist and and and impressed myself with a performance.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 9: For for a while there, I was really trying to
Speaker 9: adopt this mindset of, as you know, and usefully I
Speaker 9: adopted this mindset of just detaching myself from expectations, outcome,
Speaker 9: anything you know, materials, just any any positive acclamation or
Speaker 9: anything that could come from the fight to trying to
Speaker 9: remove myself from it and in doing so not really stressing,
Speaker 9: you know, any of the rewards of winning, you know,
Speaker 9: and trying to take the pressure off of that and
Speaker 9: just controlling what I could control, which is just you know,
Speaker 9: my performance and what I what I'm able to do
Speaker 9: inside the cage. And that really kind of helped clear
Speaker 9: my mind. Just that attitude of detachment. I really like,
Speaker 9: I really exemplify that in the Hooper fight. I really
Speaker 9: felt free and then kind of carried that over into
Speaker 9: the Ferrara and going back to back fights just I
Speaker 9: think put a lot of stress on my nervous system
Speaker 9: and my neck. I've been dealing with some disc issues
Speaker 9: from like the Hullabo fight over and so I didn't
Speaker 9: I didn't have a left arm in the Ferrari fight
Speaker 9: on if you guess, I was swinging pretty much all
Speaker 9: right hands the whole fight, and so I was really
Speaker 9: excited when the Johnson fight, it was the healthiest I'd
Speaker 9: ever been. There's all these false rumor billing about me
Speaker 9: being hurt. I was never injured. I never had any injury.
Speaker 9: I was actually like in the best form I'd ever
Speaker 9: been in. And so again kind of losing that, you
Speaker 9: had to take a second to reset yourself because that
Speaker 9: was like an eight or nine week camp, and then
Speaker 9: we had five weeks of just terror and then got
Speaker 9: into about a six week camp with Rafa. So needed
Speaker 9: to find moments to completely reset yourself and get out
Speaker 9: of the fight or flight modes. Way I could just
Speaker 9: enjoy it, you know, and be present for this fight
Speaker 9: and really just keep myself healthy and tuned up too.
Speaker 9: I didn't want to lose all that work I put
Speaker 9: it in. So I feel like we did a pretty
Speaker 9: good job of that, just kind of filling some downtime,
Speaker 9: reving back up and then putting together a real Chris
Speaker 9: game plan for this guy.
Speaker 5: You know, it's hard to get to the big show
Speaker 5: that is the UFC and stay there and just time
Speaker 5: can things can happen really quickly, like fast forward to rewind,
Speaker 5: I should say two years ago you lose the split
Speaker 5: to Damon Jackson. That's two years ago, and everything sort
Speaker 5: of changed in terms of your picture right now with
Speaker 5: four straight wins, and ultimately, I guess I'm curious back
Speaker 5: then two years ago, was that a low point or
Speaker 5: were you in a good mental space already by that time.
Speaker 9: I would say that was the lowest of points. That
Speaker 9: would be, that would be the bellow of points right there,
Speaker 9: That was the lowest. I felt like I just didn't
Speaker 9: I didn't believe in my my group were superiors. I
Speaker 9: was kind of having a rough spell at home and uh,
Speaker 9: and yeah, I was just kind of spiraling out. And
Speaker 9: so I don't I don't know if no matter who
Speaker 9: you put in front of me, I was probably going to,
Speaker 9: you know, butcher that that performance and uh, definitely has
Speaker 9: some good moments in there, just didn't really put together
Speaker 9: too great and and made some pretty radical adjustments there afterwards.
Speaker 9: Took a couple of months of thinking, you know, that
Speaker 9: might that might have been the straw that that broke,
Speaker 9: that just fucking broke my back in half, and maybe
Speaker 9: maybe it's time to I don't know, become a finance
Speaker 9: bro or some other whack aspositional life. And it took
Speaker 9: a moment, by the grace of the sweet gods, Yeah,
Speaker 9: the golden gods of Brazil. I've had like a two
Speaker 9: week stint in Rio, uh, following Vince Bachelle for a fight,
Speaker 9: and stayed out there, yeah, with some friends and Brandon
Speaker 9: and uh truly got it. The met the saving grace
Speaker 9: of Riodajian era. There's a lot of religion in that water,
Speaker 9: I swear. And so I came back home a little
Speaker 9: bit reinvigorated, and uh, we create our own team, me
Speaker 9: Brandon and Clay Monts and and yeah, we we gathered
Speaker 9: this new crew and and we just started going to
Speaker 9: work and just trying to find enthusiasm again. Really was it.
Speaker 9: I was kind of on the on the fence even
Speaker 9: with it, but just how to find a way to
Speaker 9: get excited about training again, and just uh the vitality
Speaker 9: and the new group and Clay being such an obsessed
Speaker 9: little wizard. It's like weaponizing autism with him. And so we,
Speaker 9: uh we went to work on some pretty cool directions
Speaker 9: and just got excited again about about training. And man,
Speaker 9: if you can get excited about what you're doing and
Speaker 9: you kind of find a stimulus and in uh in
Speaker 9: the programming, you know, just in and feel like you're
Speaker 9: learning something new. If you can learn something new, it
Speaker 9: gets you excited. And so then I just started to
Speaker 9: feel myself again. I was like I could really I
Speaker 9: could go for a quick performance. And so we were
Speaker 9: fortunate to roll into a short notice against Hubbard and
Speaker 9: that that's a lot of times when I can shine
Speaker 9: and really find a reset. Is just feeling good, feeling good,
Speaker 9: go and and I think that's kind of like the
Speaker 9: most ideal way for a guy to get back in
Speaker 9: in the groove is to uh is to kind of
Speaker 9: just find hiss, uh, find his mojo and then go
Speaker 9: pull up on a short notice and right, yeah, and
Speaker 9: put it to the test. And that's that's really what
Speaker 9: we did. And then yeah, just start to find a
Speaker 9: real groove. We got real strategic and and just uh
Speaker 9: really start to believe in in the process and the
Speaker 9: people around me. And that was the biggest deal. I
Speaker 9: felt like really spinning our wheels for a couple of
Speaker 9: years there and and not really getting maybe the direction
Speaker 9: I needed. And yeah, and so it's kind of just
Speaker 9: hitting my head against a wall for a while there,
Speaker 9: and I try the one forty five cut back to
Speaker 9: fifty five, but after I saw forty five is like
Speaker 9: a man, I can do it, And so spent a
Speaker 9: little too much energy just making that effort, and eventually
Speaker 9: just as like, fuck it, man, I'm monthing nice. So
Speaker 9: I'm gonna go out. I'm gonna go out at least
Speaker 9: with a fuller belly, And so went back up to
Speaker 9: fifty five and really started to enjoy myself again.
Speaker 5: You know, San Antonio, Texas is Alexander Hernandez with us
Speaker 5: live on the Anakin Flooring Podcast. Yeah, definitely something special
Speaker 5: that you and Brandon and Clay Matza have created. I
Speaker 5: do want to ask you about Rafa Garcia before we
Speaker 5: get you on out of here. But bro, one thing
Speaker 5: I hadn't thought about when it came to your circumstances
Speaker 5: at UFC three twenty four. It's one thing to get
Speaker 5: cornered by the Feds in any walk of life, But
Speaker 5: after finishing a fucking weight cut right and then rehirating right, Kenny,
Speaker 5: I know, I'm right like nuts, dude. So respect for
Speaker 5: navigating that and forgiving all parties involved grace when you
Speaker 5: were falsely accused. Rafa's got momentum right, like most people
Speaker 5: see you right now, maybe nineteen or twenty in the
Speaker 5: world getting close to the top fifteen. I guess that's
Speaker 5: neither here nor there. But Rapa Garcia has got momentum.
Speaker 5: He's won two in a row since the loss to
Speaker 5: Grant Dawson. What what are your expectations of what do
Speaker 5: you making the matchup this weekend?
Speaker 9: I expect to be taller than him, and I usually
Speaker 9: don't fear to say that. Yeah you don't, I'm big dog.
Speaker 9: You know, I'm pretty excited about that pick up fucking
Speaker 9: me up the middle, so you better watch his job.
Speaker 9: And that's pretty muchef a joke and I pulled away
Speaker 9: as a really no, I think, uh, that's pretty Uh,
Speaker 9: that's pretty exciting stuff right there. I normally don't get
Speaker 9: get a high advantage on a fellow and uh, and
Speaker 9: I just expect to do my thing. You know, he's
Speaker 9: a real tough this guy. He's you know, he's a
Speaker 9: he's a vent at this point, and he's on a
Speaker 9: nice little role himself. And so, uh, that's exciting. I'm
Speaker 9: glad to be fighting guys with good momentum. And and
Speaker 9: I man, I just have uh, I just have true
Speaker 9: confidence and myself. You know, Uh, I'm callous. I know,
Speaker 9: I know where I'm out in the game. I know
Speaker 9: myself and despite anything, I know I'm gonna perform and
Speaker 9: show up and and again. Really, I just want to
Speaker 9: make an example. You know, have my health and I
Speaker 9: want to put on a performance I'm super proud of.
Speaker 9: I want to like, not just like broot my way
Speaker 9: through it, but man, put on a put on a
Speaker 9: pretty display if I can, so hopefully hopefully put on
Speaker 9: a pretty sweet performance. Get a nice under k bonus
Speaker 9: and drop the mic.
Speaker 5: There's gonna be a lot of eyeballs on Alexander Hernandez
Speaker 5: this weekend.
Speaker 7: You can see it live on Paramount Plus. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I used to love when they would have me do
Speaker 5: the staredowns or post fight interviews for the fly weights.
Speaker 7: I'd been like, all right, we're here with your winner
Speaker 7: down too.
Speaker 5: I mean not all the fly weights are built like
Speaker 5: Brandon rod Dog Roy Ball.
Speaker 9: You know you gotta get it when you can.
Speaker 7: Man, Death, Hey, my man, thank you for the time.
Speaker 5: We'll be watching this weekend. Man, have a great friend,
Speaker 5: brother Don Chenko. Alexander Hernandez with us live on the
Speaker 5: Anakin Florian podcast. Really good dude, and uh, when you're healthy?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: I ran into him at a future UFC Live event
Speaker 5: after UFC three twenty four, and he said of his health,
Speaker 5: I almost feel like now I should be texting Hunter
Speaker 5: Campbell every day, you know, as I'm working out, just
Speaker 5: to make sure that the UFC knows that my health
Speaker 5: is optimal. Because when things all of a sudden become
Speaker 5: open to interpretation and you have no idea why a
Speaker 5: bunch of money is coming in on your opponent because
Speaker 5: you're rumored to be injured, he just found himself in
Speaker 5: a crazy circumstance. So all right, hey, real quick, before
Speaker 5: we get out of I know Kenny's gonna go compete,
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