WEBVTT - Alexander Hernandez LIVE on UFC Burns-Malott RECAP & Sterling-Zalal PREVIEW 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:04.920 The John Nick and Kenny Florian Podcast, John Annick and 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:05.960 Kenny Florian. 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:07.280 I fucking love him. 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:08.760 I can't get enough of him. 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:22.119 That big job there, Frank, there are a couple of 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:24.439 absolutely self involved. 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:29.560 Here are your hosts, John Annick and Kenny Florian. 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:36.440 Good Monday to you, high noon on the East coast 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:38.440 of the United States of America. Thank you all for 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:41.360 being with us live on YouTube on the anak florent 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:44.360 podcast channel and the All the Spoke Fight channel as well. 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:48.239 It is Monday for twenty Happy birthday, Corey sand Hey. 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:51.959 Get April twentieth, twenty twenty six, episode five ninety two 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:54.560 of the Antik and Florian Podcast. At this time, I 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:56.280 would like everybody to put something in the air. No 0:00:56.680 --> 0:01:01.720 ken flow BattleBots and then a red eye, so there 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:04.479 will be no BattleBots spoilers today. But if you don't know, 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:10.040 Kenny Florian and Chris thug Rose the greatest robot commentators 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:12.520 of all time. So you just had BattleBots, hit the 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:15.680 red eye and crack on the Attica Floring Podcast. 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:17.960 I got a little peek into your world, my friend. 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:21.520 I have even more respect for you, buddy. Yeah, it's 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:25.120 not easy, but we're here. I'm excited to talk fights. 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:28.560 I did my homework and I'm here, Professor. 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:31.880 You wear hats a lot on the program, so it's 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:36.280 nice to see the lettuce flowing. So I'm wearing a 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:40.800 gold chain and GLD sponsored the podcast for a while, 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:43.160 and Cody Merrow was commenting on the gold chain before 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:45.080 the show, and it got me thinking about Sean Strickland's 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:48.160 comments recently. You may or may not have seen them 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:51.800 about guys who wear chains, right, and whatever kind of 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.520 message you're trying to set. So I did not wear 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:58.280 jewelry of any kind really until I was forty six 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:01.000 years old when GLD sponsored pods and now rocket the 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:03.440 gold chain. So I got a fighter meeting with Sean 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:06.120 Strickland coming up here in about fifteen days, and I 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:08.639 was trying to figure out how I could get creative 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:10.920 with the chain. I don't know, like maybe take it 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:13.359 off at the man. This thing is just giving me allergies, 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:15.520 or I don't know what I would do with the chain, 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:17.440 or just say let me let me take this chain 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:19.080 off Sean before our fighter meeting. 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.320 But I will say our fighter meetings with. 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:25.760 Sean are so great and so thoughtful and technical that 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:27.600 I thought I would try to bring some levity off 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:31.120 the top with the chain, and Cody Merrill made me 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:32.600 think of that. I got to be the only guy, 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:34.720 by the way, whoever showed up to do the Jackson 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:38.480 podcast at the Beautiful Plus Santo Studio who didn't receive 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:41.280 a single piece of merchandise Nora a chain. So we're 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:45.679 rocking GLD loud and proud until further notice. Bear you 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:47.760 got my number, all right? A lot to get to today. 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:51.960 Alexander Hernandez, the Great ape belt chan Klango, who fights 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.760 this weekend against Rafa Garcia, featured about from the Ufcapex, 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:56.680 will join us in about ninety minutes. 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:57.240 A lot to get to. 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:00.400 Before we get there, we will recap UFC Fight Night 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:04.720 Burns versus Malotte Gilbertorino. Burns is off into retirement. We'll 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:08.040 talk to his podcast co host Matty Betts from Home 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:11.040 of Fight about him and Hanato Moykano. We do have 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:14.480 a couple of predictions coming up. UFC Fight Night Sterling 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.720 versus The Lal. I don't know if Ray Longo is 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:21.880 in Las Vegas or getting ready to be wheels up 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:24.280 to Las Vegas to Corno al Jo Ornapa. We of course, 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:26.600 we'll talk to Ray Longo ur J Clifford coming up 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:29.280 in about ten minutes. Jason Andik is gonna join us. 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:31.560 I mean, who am I forgetting? I don't even know. 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:34.160 But let's get to the meat and bones of the program. 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:37.920 Let's get to headlines, headlines. 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:39.360 It's time for headlines. 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:43.400 I have some very urgent and important breaking new headlines. 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:46.280 And Kenny sans concast. 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:53.600 All right, lead story today, Phil Defreese KSW heavyweight champion. 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:56.040 Kenny is looking right into the camera as if to say, 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:58.600 I did not prepare for this, so not necessarily the 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:01.080 lead story, but across my a few minutes before we 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:04.520 began the program, right, do you remember Philda Freese? 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:05.640 I do. 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:07.640 Yeah, So you and I called a few of his 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:10.480 early fights. You called his fight the night upon which 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:14.400 Connor McGregor made his UFC debut April sixth, twenty thirteen, 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:17.479 first pay per view. I worked UFC one fifty five. 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:20.320 He fought on that card as well. He was released 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:23.080 from the UFC in twenty thirteen. And I'm on MMA 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:29.640 Junkie this morning. Fourteen straight heavyweight title defenses in KSW 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:31.000 for Philda Freeze. 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:39.119 Yeah, that's crazy and Kiss Kiss organization and tough, tough guys. 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:41.760 A lot of things can happen in heavyweight mixed martial arts. 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:44.680 He's won sixteen straight fights overall. We have talked about 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:47.680 the fact that there isn't a universal MMA Hall of Fame. 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:51.360 Patrecio Pitbull I mentioned a UFC three twenty seven would 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:54.520 be a primary entry, But dude, like this is at 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:56.839 least on paper, and I can't profess to having seen 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:00.640 anything but highlights on paper. This is, like all of fame, 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:06.400 largely unprecedented stuff. Right, Fourteen title defense is the standard 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.440 upon which all great champions are judged. Is how many 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:12.160 banners are hanging? How many times do you defend the title? 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:13.760 Fourteen times? 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:17.360 It's very impressive, especially considering the fact that so much 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:20.080 can go wrong in a heavyweight title fight, right, I mean, 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:24.440 you're talking about heavyweights swinging leather. One shot, even one 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:27.359 bad shot, is all it takes, you know, to the dome. 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:30.719 So the fact that he has had experience that level 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:33.560 of consistency is extremely impressive. 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:36.680 All Right, congratulations to Phil the Freeze. We will now 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:40.560 turn our attention to UFC fight Night Burns versus Malot 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.600 and indeed the final fight for Gilbert Burns a lot 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:45.400 of headlines on the winter side as well. 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:49.440 Mike Malot, you like him a lot. 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.560 The Canadian comes to yet again TKO at the two 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:54.479 to oh eight mark of round three. I didn't stick 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:56.560 around to see him acknowledge the Canadian fans. Did he 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.039 get out of Michael's day? This has been my dream 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.160 since I was twelve to be here with you folks 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:08.960 in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. This isn't my atriotism coming through necessarily. 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:10.520 But did you stick around for the post fight interview 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:12.039 or are you too busy with the robot fights. 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:13.600 I did not see that. 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:17.120 I did not see the post fight speech, but I 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:20.440 did see the performance, man, and he was on point. 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:23.200 I mean, landing shot after shot that really was reeling 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:25.560 Gilbert Burns. And you know what was a little bit 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.039 of a concern was the delayed effect that some of 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:29.560 those shots had. There was like a little bit of 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:31.920 a pause after he got hit and then he would 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.760 drop And to me, that's not a good sign. And 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:37.760 you know, we'll talk about Gilbert's thoughts on that in 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:41.240 his career. But Molot was on point, man. He was 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.640 looking really sharp. He was taking advantage of all the 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:46.000 things that he should have been taking advantage of during 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.440 that fight, his height, his length, keeping him at the 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:50.320 end of those punches, keeping burns at the end of 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:53.599 those punches, and yeah, not a whole lot to talk about, 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:55.640 just because it was so dominant and it didn't last 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:56.080 too long. 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:59.640 Yeah, I mean boxing, Look, crisp, he is never sort 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.120 of fake by the magnitude of the moment, and certainly, 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.920 carrying the flag and the proverbial torch for your country, 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:08.320 it's not always the easiest thing to do. And he 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:12.800 is that guy right now in Canada. And the extent 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:15.280 to which he can contender how high the ceiling is, 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:17.920 I really don't know. He's knocking down the cones in 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:21.000 front of him and he's doing it with style points, right, 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:23.920 I mean, Gilbert is a game fighter who has been 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:28.640 there and done that. As we live in the malot side, 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:31.400 what do you think about him when you think about 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:35.080 you know, the Carlos Protests of the World, Jack Della 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:37.520 Matta Lane, those two guys are headlining here in less 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:39.680 than two weeks, right, I mean, how do you think 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.000 he stacks up with the elite of the elite at 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:43.120 one hundred and seventy pounds. 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:45.520 Well, first of all, I certainly think it's going to 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:47.840 be a confidence builder coming off of a win over 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:49.680 a big name like Gilbert Burns. I think is going 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:51.840 to do wondrous for his confidence moving forward as he 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:56.720 takes on more difficult competition. Now about that more difficult competition, 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:01.040 I think he can crack in to, you know, and 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:03.320 beat some of those elite guys. I think he may 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:06.440 start to run into some trouble if he hasn't solved 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.720 the issues with his willingness to just want to brawl 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:13.160 at times. But from what I've seen, he has fought 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:16.280 a lot smarter. He has stuck to game plans much better. 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:20.480 But you know, he is such a fighter that sometimes 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.800 he will just throw down, sometimes blindly, and those are 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:25.760 the things at the highest levels that can get you 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:29.360 in trouble. Now, I think my lot has matured a lot, 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.680 and I think that he could post some problems for 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.920 some of those elite guys, but we'll see. I think 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:37.920 taking the right matchups is going to be critical as 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:41.320 he gets more experienced. But he's good everywhere. John, He's 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:44.240 a great athlete. He's got knockout power. He's proven that 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:47.240 time and time again. He has the toughness. For me, 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:49.880 it just comes down to execution a game plan and 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:51.880 managing those injuries properly. 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:55.600 He doesn't seem to be in any rush to sort 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:58.880 of expedite a title run. Cody Merrow or Producer in 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.520 the chat saying privately here huge myss to not call 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.120 someone out in the postfight. So there wasn't a call 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:06.120 out after the fact, And some of these guys are 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:08.679 certainly matched up. We mentioned protests and yeah, Jack at 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:12.240 Elena and Sean Brady and Joaquin Buckley. But I do 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:16.760 believe that it behooves you as a fighter to try 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:20.079 to spin it forward with every moment you have, and 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:22.480 there are a few bigger moments than in the octagon 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.360 after a big win like that. Definitely well that there's 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.840 necessarily an obvious call out there. You know, Kamara Usman 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:31.319 is a fruitless call out because he's not gonna fight you. 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:34.800 Ian Mashaidogary, I think probably is going to get Islami Kashev, Right, 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:38.839 Balah Muhammad matched up with Gabriel Bonfieme, you got Michael 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:42.720 venim Page, who I think you just don't call out, right. 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:43.920 Yeah, no one wants to fight him. 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:48.480 Yeah, the Serbian udo Schmititch with some big things potentially 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:50.280 and the works for him coming up. We'll see how 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:52.840 it all plays out. But uh yeah, I'm intrigued by 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.720 Mike Malat. You know, it had me thinking about Joe 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:58.800 Pifer right in terms of his relative ceiling in eighty 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:02.719 five and mallots at well rounded guys. They know how 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:06.199 to grapple. They're willing grapplers, but maybe they strike more 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.319 in mma. I'm intrigued, but I hope it's a big 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.480 name and a big fight for malt Yeah, definitely. Where's 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.839 me Lot ranked right now? Cody get It's a great question. 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:16.760 I don't think he came into this fight. No, he 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.880 was ranked. He was ranked maybe like thirteen or something 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:23.080 something so, but Gilbert Burns had the red corner, had 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:26.240 the higher ranking, and now Gilbert Durinho Burns goes off 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:30.040 into retirement. Accomplished a great deal for the Brazilian jiu 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:33.840 jitsu community as a crossover into mixed martial arts, and 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.360 perhaps that's a big chunk of his legacy. I do 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.520 believe his fight against Haamza chimayav At UFC two seventy 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:42.719 three in twenty twenty two. Paul Felder has said in 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:45.320 his broadcasting career, that's the best fight he's ever called. 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:48.280 I think the fight between Gilbert Burns and Kamzat Chimaya 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.880 ends up being the conduit through which Gilbert has his 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:54.880 career acknowledged in the Hall of Fame. But what is 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:58.240 your biggest takeaway from the uh the career of Gilbert 0:10:58.360 --> 0:10:59.239 Urinho Burns. 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.400 Yeah, this was a former world champion in Brazilian jiu 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:05.000 jitsu who clearly had a whole lot of talent, and 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:08.160 I think it it's tough to manage when you go 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.040 into mixed martial arts sometimes when you're coming from another 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.720 modality like wrestling or jiu jitsu or what have you, 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:17.520 because sometimes you spend so long in that other domain 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:20.400 that you don't give yourself enough time to learn. 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:22.360 The other aspects of mixed martial arts. 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:24.480 And you know, perhaps we can blame a little that 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.680 little bit of that, you know, for Gilbert, But either way, 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.880 I think he had a spectacular career. I think he 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:34.160 was always very honest with him with himself, which I 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:37.160 think you have to be when you're a professional athlete, 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:40.440 looking at yourself very honestly, figuring out what you know, 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:42.920 where you need to improve, how you need to train. 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.320 He trained with one of the best teams in the world. 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:48.280 He had a lot of success, had some big fights. 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:50.560 I think a lot of people will remember him for 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:54.280 some of his losses. You know, even in defeat, I 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:57.880 thought he was impressive against guys like Hamzat Chimayev had 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:01.040 had Kamara Uzman hurt at one point during their fight 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:04.280 for the belt, and you know, so I think Gilbert 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:07.439 has nothing to be ashamed of. I really appreciated his 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:10.760 candor after the fight, talking about his career and what 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.160 he wants to accomplish next and how he wants to 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.600 maybe help the next generation, either with jiu jitsu or 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:17.959 mixed martial arts or you know, as a manager. 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.160 Perhaps. So loved hearing that. 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:23.560 Gilbert seems like a really, really nice guy man, and again, 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.439 very few people will accomplish what. 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:27.960 He has in the UFC. 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:31.280 You and I called so many shows in Brazil in 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:34.000 the early days. I think I did twenty eight shows 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:36.319 over there, right. We used to go six times a year, 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:38.480 and there were so many big moments for Gilbert that 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:41.679 I remember calling over there. So he came to the 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:45.080 UFC pretty Green he was seven and oh as a 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:48.280 pro vaulted to ten and oh after submitting Alex Olivera. 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:52.440 The Damien Mayo win certainly comes to mind, Kenny, you know, 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:55.680 the tyront Woodley win to sort of punctuate that winning 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:57.640 streak and earn the title fight. He did hurt Kamar 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:00.959 Usman in the title fight, and you know, last win 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:03.360 came against Je Mosfietal and he does close the book 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:08.760 with five successive losses, all against elite competition, top flight 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:12.080 one or two rank contender's former world champions Jack Dela, 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:15.480 Mattalena and Bell Blad Muhammad uh did I almost call 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:20.559 him Bella? Sorry blal ha ha. The fight with HAMZACHIMAIV 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:22.160 is going to go into the UFC Hall of Fame. 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:24.960 I think that is an eventual l all right, let's 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:27.440 get to our uh, our hall of fame analyst. Now 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:29.520 some people know him as Randall. I don't know if 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.880 his mother goes by r J these days. I know 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:34.400 I am one of the few people who reserves the 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:36.000 right to call him Randall. 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:38.080 But let's get to uh. Let's get to r J Clifford. 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:40.439 It is rated tv N A l V and contains 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:41.000 strong language. 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:41.400 In violence. 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:42.920 It is intended coming from the ture audiences. 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:44.040 You a discussion of nine. 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:47.439 This is rated R no. 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:49.880 Fighting. That's that's the fun part. 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.400 It's like Hanso from the Zoolanders. So we can haunt 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:55.400 right now, dude, Like, well, think about. 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:56.880 It, Like I don't know who he is. I just 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:08.720 know he's ar wrestler. I you know, googled him. 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:11.560 Oh I got chills. I didn't know we were deputing 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.080 the intro today. I know we have a lot of 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:18.400 high profile female voiceover artists in the works, but you know, 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:20.400 I like to lead with your fighting career, and that 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:22.520 made it in there. R J Clifford is Live with 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.640 Us Rated RJ. My Man, good Monday morning to you. 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:29.160 How we feel fantastic, John, there is no one on 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:32.040 earth more proud of a four and three mixed martial 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:33.600 arts career than John Anick. 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.800 I appreciate that, my leader of my fan club. 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.000 Hey, if I'm a UFC consultant in a few years, 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:42.520 I'm gonna recommend that they give r J Clifford a 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:44.880 play by play opportunity. But you could be an analyst too. 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.480 That's the thing that's why we hired you. You know, 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:49.760 at least for now. It's great to have you with us, brothers. 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.080 So were you in Winnipeg, Manitoba or. 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:53.080 No, I was? 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:57.360 I was, Yes, I was American Ninja Warriors over crack 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:01.640 pipes and some zero temperatures, but very friendly people in Winnipeg, 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:03.760 and they were very very happy to have the UFC 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:05.520 in town and they showed out. 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:07.000 Man, Canadian fans always do. 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:09.040 So when's your next week off? 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:10.880 Incidentally? Are you going to the Apex this weekend? 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.520 Or no, I'm actually this one. Yeah, I didn't know 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:15.520 I had this one off, they said, stuck up on me. 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:17.560 So yeah, the wife's out of town, she's got work, 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:20.040 so it's just me and the six year olds daddy 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:23.360 daughter dates all weekend long. I get to watch a 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.840 fight on my couch with a beer in hand, the 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:27.920 way God wanted it to be. 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.440 So it's great, great, No, it really is. Right. 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.240 I do think about the next time I get to 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:36.760 sit down and watch a numbered event. You know, I 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.280 don't know when that will be. Not gonna have a 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.160 health related issue, right, but to think about fully never, 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.360 but man, well thank you. But it is like I 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:48.800 would get so excited for those big fights when I 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.600 was watching just as spectator, even watching on the desk 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:53.440 and sort of unleash my inner lunatic. 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:55.760 But anyway, it's great to have you with us. 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:57.880 So, you know, when Joe Pifer beats his her a 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.880 lot of sonia or Mike Mallot wins a fight, sometimes 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.320 I find myself immediately thinking about, well, how good can 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:06.120 they actually be? Right, Michael Morales goes out and beat 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:09.680 Sean Brady and now everybody feels pretty convicted in the 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:11.520 fact that he can be a world champion. So what 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:15.640 do you see from from Mike Malot other than that 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:17.920 beautiful red and white flag behind him. 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:21.440 Well, I I'm like you, I like a lot a 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:23.760 lot as well. I mean the way and he's constantly 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:25.400 hitting better too, which is the other good part. Like 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:27.240 even just his last fight against Kevin Holland, he got 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.520 taken down because he threw a naked leg kick and 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:32.920 got got punched. He's been hiding his kicks better now 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:35.920 and then just you know, just one fight later, the 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:39.600 way he shifts into range is awesome. Like he's very 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:43.560 like Dustin Pourrier and of course very very well rounded. Right, 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:45.240 he's getting harder to take down. He seems to be 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:47.560 getting smarter. It was his first you know, five round 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:49.800 main events obviously only went you know three plus or you. 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:50.440 Know two and a half. 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:53.280 But I think the biggest thing is how much he's 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:56.080 improving too, right, Like, he's certainly not a finished product, 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:57.080 and he keeps getting better. 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:01.720 I'm really curious, Kenny. It's pretty dangerous shifting. 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:03.680 That's why you don't see it a lot in box 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:05.639 and he's been able to pull it off against you know, 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.679 a fantastic Gilbert Burns who's three months away from being forty. 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.800 You think it's gonna get him in trouble moving forward? 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:12.240 Or is he? 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:13.239 Should he stick with it? 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:15.280 You know, I think a lot of it is context. 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:18.080 It's like how how you're doing it. Are you disguising 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.320 it with feints? Are you doing it with an angle 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.640 or are you just doing it as you're exchanging. If 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:25.520 you're doing it as you're exchanging, which he kind of 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:27.560 has done in the past, then he's going to find 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:29.960 himself in big trouble. He's going to catch those shots 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.640 kind of like how Mandel Nalo did, which I can't 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:34.560 stop thinking about. 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:38.840 But yeah, you know, I think that I think he's talented. 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.880 There's no question about that I think with this win, 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:46.639 I think it makes it complicated because how much of 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:48.679 it was Mike Mallatt and how much of it was 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:52.880 maybe a little bit of a decline in Gilbert Burns's. 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.399 Skill or his age. So I think that's something that 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:57.720 people are going to question. What do you think about that? 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:00.720 Ar Jie Well, I think Gilbert, I mean, do we 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:01.840 want to get into Gilbert Burns now? 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.840 Because I got so much on that, but let's do it. 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:08.920 I mean he was just like, like, no, obviously all 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:09.760 fighters like give. 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:13.000 A lot to Mma, what Gilbert Burns gave a ton 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:14.720 Like I saw some kind of like MI Mike Mallot 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:16.480 hate afterwards, and then it took me a minute to 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:18.840 real It's like it's more like Gilbert Burns love than 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:22.479 Mike Malot hate. And it's been so fun watching Burns 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:24.560 evolve over the twelve years he was in the UFC. 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:26.840 Like we're all excited, right, a world jiu jitsu champion 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:29.960 coming to the UFC, but one that could also wrestle, 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:33.040 like a Damian Maya, Jack Rays Sooza, but unlike them, 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:34.160 like he could crack. 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:34.919 You know. 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:37.399 It's like it's not very often when I'm upset that 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:39.320 there's a first round knockout. But when he fought Damien 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:41.200 and Maya were like, Oh, we're gonna get just the 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:44.399 best ground war ever and then just boop one minute 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:44.960 in and it's over. 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:46.120 You're like, ah, come on, we. 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.640 Got robbed of some awesome jiu jitsu, but we got 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:52.320 that awesome knockout, and and you know, he had his time, 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:54.439 he had his title shot, he had that great wind streak, 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:56.200 he gave Chamaia of all he can handle. 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:58.520 But I think I think what I really. 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:01.560 Went to bed thinking about was how he exited the 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:04.840 sport in the in the right way, right, like you know, 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:08.160 blah Mohammed beat him, you got a title shot. JDM 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:11.320 beat him a title shot. Mike Malott needed a name 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:13.960 in a main event in Canada, and he answered the call, right, 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.960 And so the young eat the old in combat sports. 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:19.080 And he's going to be forty in exactly three months 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.800 by FI losing Street obviously, like I'm the last guy 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:23.480 in the world to say, hey, I don't want this 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:26.159 fighter to retire. But in the fighter meetings, he was 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:28.280 talking about how bumdy was he wasn't going on a 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:29.440 family vacation to Spain. 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:30.360 Because of a training camp. 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:32.840 And if that's where your mind's going, I think that's 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:33.440 the right time. 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:36.600 I remember there was a video Kenny and RJ on 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:40.400 UFC embedded and Gilbert had all these handwritten notes and 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:43.119 I posted it on Instagram at some point in time. 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:49.240 Just meticulous, copious handwritten stuff about how to figure this 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:52.840 part of mixed martial arts out and just so much respect. Yeah, 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:55.719 RJ and Kenny for the contribution to the game. And 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:58.000 he loved that knockout life, that's for sure. 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:01.560 Yeah, he was and just like one of the nice 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:04.119 guys of the sport too, right. I always like wonder dude, 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:06.360 like really really nice guy fighters. 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:08.840 Do they hate that? That's the reputation, like you're a 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:10.840 bad you're a cage fighter, right, And I was like, oh, 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.920 Damien May, he's so nice. S Gilbert Burd He's so nice. 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:16.880 It's like I also could strangle him, motherfucker pretty good too, 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:17.399 you know, like. 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:19.280 You want to mention that part as well. 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:20.720 R JG. 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:22.879 Do you think he was ever the same after the 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:29.040 Hamsat Chimaya fight. Great question, Great question, because though those 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:30.560 are the kind of fights, it's like that was an 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:33.680 amazing fight, but some people don't come out the same 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:35.240 after that, and he did great. 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:36.840 But when you're getting. 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:40.600 Hit by a guy like Chimaya, these things might happen. 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:44.160 Because to me, it almost seems like he would he 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:45.960 was kind of not the same. 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:49.520 Do you think that I think he might be onto something. 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:52.680 I mean, he he still wanted to fight the same too, 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:55.080 which was a little different, right Like you see, you know, 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:57.040 like when like when Randy Coutour was able to fight 0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:58.879 into his forties, it was like, I'm just gonna, you know, 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:01.280 clench real heavy. I'm you know, I'm gonna lean on 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:04.640 my greco. The speed isn't there, so I gotta slow 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:07.720 everything down. Well, Gilbert Burns just like, I'm just gonna 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:09.840 keep fighting the way I know how and it's gonna 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:12.679 be awesome. And the fights have been great. And you know, 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:14.840 we're talking about how much Mike Mallot's evolving. I think 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:17.720 Gilbert Burns got to a really really good place. Not 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:20.879 that he didn't keep evolving, but he found his stroke 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:24.520 and stuck with it and maybe his his his mind 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:26.359 kept going, but the body didn't really keep up. 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:27.000 Yeah. 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:29.680 R J Clifford with us live on the Anti Comploring Podcast. 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:32.679 Thanks to everybody for subscribing to the channel, And yeah, Gilbert 0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:34.240 Burns made a lot of money. You know, the show 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:36.760 money got pretty good. There were bonuses along the way. 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:40.000 You just hope for a guy like that that with 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:44.240 respect to like bare knuckle boxing, that he doesn't need 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:46.200 the payday that would come with that, And I don't 0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:48.480 think he does. You know, real American freestyle wrestling is 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:49.960 doing a lot of things for a lot of athletes. 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:51.280 I'd love to see him compete there. 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:54.520 I would imagine he wouldn't mind doing some sort of 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:57.240 grappling competition in the future. So a lot of different 0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:59.800 ways for Gilbert Reino Burns to make money could probably 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:02.760 cut I'm tating a couple of different languages. But classy 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:07.199 individual to be sure, And dude, nice guys do finish last, right, 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:09.480 Like when I used to be nice. Actually, I mean 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:13.440 in high school they called me well, in high school 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:14.240 they called. 0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:16.960 It turned it around, John, It was really holding you 0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:18.040 back all this time. 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:20.800 Yeah, Well, in high school I used to like shave 0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:23.400 my head and wear a black bandana and I thought 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:26.280 I was a lot of things I wasn't and they 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:29.120 would call me bad and Jason good like the upper 0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:31.520 classmen would be like, oh, what's up bad? You know so, 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:35.639 But I like to give nice guys a hard time. 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:38.600 That's why I'm banging on the Canadian Mike Malot right. 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:42.320 Daniel Rodriguez is number fourteen in the world. Colby Covington 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:44.440 is number fifteen. I was not aware that Mike Blot 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:47.960 came into this fight unranked. But RJ is there's some 0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:51.520 onus on me fighter to not just say. 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:53.919 Right like sorry, ladies. 0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:57.880 I'm not the golfing type, right as Adam Sandler said it, Sorry, sorry, guys, 0:22:57.880 --> 0:23:01.520 I'm not the calling out type. Well, be careful because 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:03.760 opportunity missed. I think according to. 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:06.240 Some yeah, I'm with you. 0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:11.359 I've always I've always wanted fighters to be themselves, but 0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:14.440 as much as possible. Like, if you're kind of an asshole, 0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:17.120 like just be a big one, right. If you're kind 0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:19.360 of a smart ass, like be a really really big 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:19.840 smart ass. 0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:21.880 If you're a nice guy, be a super nice guy. 0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:24.520 And I think the Canadians, the Canadian fighters have a 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:26.520 little bit of an inside track where you could be 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:29.040 popular in Canada and not need you don't need to 0:23:29.080 --> 0:23:32.040 be a trash talker like obviously he wants international appeal 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:34.879 and he wants to be a star everywhere. But you know, 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:37.720 like George Saint Pierre, right, just like would not talk 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:40.760 trash on anybody, Kenny, like you knew him well, Like 0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:42.800 I don't think he was an asshole behind closed doors. 0:23:42.960 --> 0:23:45.240 I think he was just himself out there and he 0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:47.200 was able to obviously be a giant star. 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:49.800 But the worst thing he said was I am not 0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:50.880 then pressed by your. 0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:55.040 And he got dragged and he never left him. He 0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:57.240 opened his mouth one time. He's like, all right, I 0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:01.440 got this singer right, it's work. This is the big one. Yeah, 0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:02.720 and it's just been a. 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:04.840 Meme for a decade. 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:05.960 Gareth A. 0:24:06.200 --> 0:24:11.240 Davis, legendary boxing and mixed martial arts journalists once asked 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:14.280 John Jones RJ. Are you a bad guy trying to 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:17.040 be good or a good guy trying to be bad? 0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:20.440 So when I if somebody probed me that way, I 0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:22.679 would say I'm a good guy, you know, like I 0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:25.280 don't necessarily think I'm a bad guy, but yeah, I 0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:28.840 mean sometimes I give it to nice guys, you know, 0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:31.520 like Malapian, Like I've been doing this in Canada, I'm 0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:34.639 dreaming about doing this in Canada. My whole life and 0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:37.720 the whole nation rises, you know, come be to a 0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:43.080 high level American let's go all right, Yeah enough on that. 0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:46.880 So any other highlights for you? I mean, Charles Jordaan 0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:49.440 has realized a lot of success in the bandamweight division. 0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:53.200 Kenny put a band on Mandel Naalo, so he lost 0:24:53.200 --> 0:24:57.320 a thousand dollars. There any other major highlights. Dennis Pazuki 0:24:57.359 --> 0:25:00.560 obviously got flatlined by Marcio Oposa. 0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:03.000 Anything, uh jump off the film for you, kid? 0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:06.760 Well, those two really Ji Herbert and Charles Jordan, those 0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:09.080 performances I think stuck out. I mean Charles Jordan, I 0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:11.800 kind of got the vibe he was underestimating Kyler Phillips 0:25:11.920 --> 0:25:14.280 going in. I mean he seemed he seemed pretty tuckered 0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:15.879 out in that third round. I don't know if you 0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:18.320 like underestimate him in it and it should have been 0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:21.000 training or to you know, got a little maybe a 0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:24.720 little too confident. But Heidiandral who was the reporter afterwards, 0:25:24.760 --> 0:25:27.480 asked him like, did you underestimate Kyler Phillips? And he said, 0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:31.560 I didn't underestimate him, I just overestimated myself. Now I'm 0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:35.000 just a product of the California public education system, Kenny, But. 0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:36.840 Where I went to school to start to hear anything. 0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:41.040 Yeah, Like that's the same thing if you underest over it, 0:25:41.119 --> 0:25:44.480 like it's the end result. So I mean smart smart 0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:47.200 fighters learned from losses and super smart fighters learned from wins. 0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:49.479 And I think Jordan could learn to learn a lot 0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:51.800 from this one. And then yeah, that Ji Herbert just 0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:56.320 like head off centerline, right hand, just be I've rewatched 0:25:56.320 --> 0:25:58.320 that a hundred times. Gonnake a little video of that 0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:01.159 when I'm done with you guys. That was just a 0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:03.240 thing of beauty. Like he went from like he was 0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:05.840 what was he known for? Right almost knocking out Illiott Taporia? 0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:07.800 He was that guy, and now he can really hang 0:26:07.840 --> 0:26:11.480 his hat on just a just counter right hand. 0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:12.720 I mean that was Kenny. 0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:17.000 I almost don't feel bad losing a bet with a knockout, 0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:18.200 Like yeah. 0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:20.840 No, I mean, Johy, listen, he earned that. He earned 0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:24.200 every single bit of that. But I thought Mandel got 0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:27.760 overly aggressive. He did not disguise his intent on what 0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:29.600 he wanted to do. You saw his hand kind of 0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:32.439 cocked back from like a mile away, and he was 0:26:32.760 --> 0:26:33.920 very very upright. 0:26:34.200 --> 0:26:35.000 Herbert saw it. 0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:37.840 Coming in the exchange. I guess at the right time 0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:40.480 of the wrong time, depending on who you are. And yeah, 0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:42.280 I mean Heber Herbert made the best best out of 0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:44.400 that man that was That was an amazing comeback because 0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:46.560 it looked like Nalo was just going to dominate and 0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:49.040 finish him round one, and man. 0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:52.480 The sport always surprises us. It's amazing at R J. 0:26:52.640 --> 0:26:53.439 Clifford Mma. 0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:56.719 If you want to see his telestration later today on 0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:59.840 film on social media, you're gonna break down Ji Herbert 0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:02.800 and Mandal Nalo before I let you go, and we 0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:04.800 are gonna let you say hi to Ray Long go today, 0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:08.720 of course. But Aljame and Sterling fights Yusuf Zialal this 0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:13.520 weekend and mav star ivloyev Is ubiqulitously regarded as the 0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:16.520 number one contender Aaron Pico making a little bit of 0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:19.560 a move. What do you make of the main event 0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:22.159 this weekend and how it might impact things Diraditionally, if 0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:23.240 one of these two guys get a. 0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:28.040 Finish, I think Yusuf Salal's got a lot of momentum 0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:30.840 and I think he's, you know, a big personality and 0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:32.960 a lot of fun. I think he's something that the 0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:36.600 UFC can get behind al Jaman Sterling obviously former champion 0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:38.640 and a chance to be, you know, a two division 0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:39.520 champion and. 0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:41.120 Reach that high status. 0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:44.720 I think I think it's murky, not murky uptop. It's 0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:46.280 a Loye for sure, but then it gets kind of 0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:51.399 murky after that. I'm wondering, like what they make of 0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:54.480 Laron Murphy. They obviously obviously he lost to Ivloyev and 0:27:54.560 --> 0:27:57.440 so he's back of that pack, but they they really 0:27:57.480 --> 0:28:00.320 love having British champions and people from the UK in 0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:03.399 good spots. I think he makes sense still in the 0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:06.760 in the conversation and there's one forty five like it's 0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:09.440 just a really nice I didn't even realize this until 0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:10.320 he started matchmaking. 0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:11.560 I forgot Kevin Blahos. 0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:14.840 But it's just like, dude, there's veterans that are still 0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:16.000 very viable. 0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:17.760 There's guys that have lost. 0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:20.080 That can easily turn things around. There's the blay Hooses 0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:22.320 of the world that are just ready to go. Aaron 0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:25.320 Pico's entered the chat, like you mentioned, like, there's a 0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:27.720 lot that could go on, So long story short to 0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:30.800 answer your question, like, yeah, I think so, but I 0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:33.240 mean it's just one more awesome spinning back elbow not 0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:35.119 got away from anyone in the top ten before, and 0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:37.000 then they can be in that conversation. 0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:40.240 Yeah, that's well, put bro I fucking printed the featherweight 0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:42.000 rankings today. Do you know how many times I've done 0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:44.680 that in five hundred and ninety two episodes of the show, 0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:46.640 printed one division's rankings? 0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:47.160 Very few? 0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:50.640 Right, mab Sorry if Looiev is one, Diego Lopez two, 0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:53.640 Laron Murphy, three, I Rodriguez four al Joe in. The 0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:57.200 main event this weekend is five jaw Lord Silva six, 0:28:57.280 --> 0:29:00.080 Yusef's Alas seven, Arnold Allen eight Steve Garcia fight on 0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:03.600 the White House card is number nine Kevin Basch Ekos 0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:05.840 to round out the top ten, and that doesn't even 0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:08.480 get to the Picos and milk is Iel Costas of 0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:12.400 the world. Loaded it at one. I mean one fifty 0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:14.160 five has such a place in my heart that one 0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:17.480 forty five. Well, we'll never supersede it, but that looks outstanding, 0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:20.040 and so do you. Let's see if we can effort 0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:22.760 ray Longo right now, having some technical difficulties as we 0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:24.840 go four wide here bottom of the hour. 0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:28.120 There we go. 0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:30.080 How you doing, Raymond? 0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:33.040 What's up? What are we What are we talking about? 0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:36.360 That is a big black coffee? 0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:38.200 Yeah? I need it this morning. 0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:41.400 Wow. Well, I just wanted you to say hi to 0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:43.440 r J Clifford. Who Yeah, r J. 0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:44.760 You crushing it, buddy? 0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:49.920 Oh stop but keep going? Yes, that's up right? How 0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:50.200 you doing? 0:29:54.200 --> 0:29:54.400 Yeah? 0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:59.560 Yeah, well yeah, r J Clifford. We appreciate your contributions 0:29:59.560 --> 0:30:01.040 as always. Who wanted to give you a chance to 0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:03.800 say hi to the senior member of our our talent 0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:05.960 team since since. 0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:09.080 I don't like the word senior anymore, can we get that? 0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:09.440 Uh? 0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:13.520 Can we come up with another business term? Forday, aeriatric? 0:30:13.760 --> 0:30:14.239 You like that one? 0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:18.320 Jerry? Yeah, Jerry, geriatric is even better than that. 0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:21.719 Tremendous content though at r J Clifford. 0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:23.560 Mm my man, appreciate the court of an hour and 0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:26.360 uh we'll talk to you real soon as in next Monday. 0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:30.400 Happy for twenty boys, take itzy buddy, Thank you buddy. 0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:34.280 I actually don't think R. J. Clifford is among those 0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:38.480 who celebrates. Perhaps he does. On four to twenty Raymond 0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:42.480 Peter long Ago. How goes your Monday? 0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:42.920 So far? 0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:45.320 It's twelve thirty three pm e Stern Standard times. 0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:49.840 So far, so good? All right, So good. So trying 0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:52.360 to stay healthy for the fight this week. Everybody's sick 0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:53.400 in the gym. It sucks. 0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:56.400 So are you flying to Vegas? What's going on in you? 0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:56.680 Yes? 0:30:57.240 --> 0:30:58.000 When are you leaving? 0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:01.880 I'm leaving Thursday? Thursday? 0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:08.120 Okay, I am undecided at this point. 0:31:10.080 --> 0:31:14.360 Kenny. You look outstanding. Now let me tell you something. 0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:17.720 I'm calling you on the side. I'm doing it. I 0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:20.640 did any time because you did like I just saw 0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:26.680 like it's just yeah, that looks great, man, unbelievable. 0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:29.200 So you're gonna call him after the show and you'll 0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:30.960 see if he takes that call. So you guys can 0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:31.600 talk about hair. 0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:34.600 I don't know about right after that. Yeah, I'm curious 0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:37.640 because I got to fill in some spots. Man, I 0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:41.520 could have a full headache. Yeah, I don't know if 0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:44.080 I'm going that far. I'm sure I'm gonna blow the 0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:45.040 money and do it here. 0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:52.000 Well, I'll make a contribution. I'll make a contribution. 0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:55.800 I'll I'll contribute five hundred dollars towards your hair transplant. 0:31:56.320 --> 0:31:58.920 I take all right, I'll give it to you in cash. 0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:02.720 Wow, Bam, what my Zell number? 0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:07.840 Well, yeah, I know it's almost been a little slow 0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:09.560 rolling here in twenty twenty six. 0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:11.959 But that's all loose stuff to me. But a lot 0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:14.760 of zel, a lot of Zellin and Paypally going on. 0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:16.520 It's a new world out. 0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:18.400 There then most then mos. 0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:21.080 Yeah, I just want you to be a man of action, 0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:24.400 you know, an attack dog instead of a lap dog. Right, 0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:27.840 So I'm making a contribution to try to expedite the 0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:31.600 process so that you will get a Yeah, so that 0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:34.520 you'll actually get a hair transplant. 0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:37.240 You know, the towel, but get your dog off the phone. 0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:44.240 And a comploring podcast presented by All the Smoke Fight 0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:49.520 and presented in part by Throne Sport Coffee for busy mornings, 0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:52.880 work out your everyday routine and everything in between. You 0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:54.760 need coffee that works as hard as you do. So 0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:58.080 to that end, I have been absolutely loving my Throne 0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:00.360 Sport Coffee. 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I 0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:05.800 would imagine Nate Bronson and Cody heard it as well, 0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:06.440 you know. 0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:08.560 But Kenny might have heard it, but it's not gonna 0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:12.640 upset him. That's the difference. That's the difference Kenny's laughing 0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:15.839 and your pouting. You know why you'll be because you're 0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:17.240 jacked up on the thrown sport. 0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:23.920 Well, I'm a producer too, right, like Kenny doesn't necessarily 0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:26.960 get producer credits for the show. So I mean, cod 0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:29.239 if Cody tell you somebody you know, you turn your 0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:31.600 fucking self. It's episode five hundred and ninety two. 0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:33.120 Hold, I'm gonna do it. 0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:37.920 We're gonna tight ship here. Ray, it's episode five hundred 0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:43.239 and ninety Okay, so maybe for episode five ninety three 0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:43.839 next week. 0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:48.360 I like that. Yeah, yeah, And remember i'm the senior members, 0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:49.799 so you might have to remind me again. 0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:52.719 Yes, And and I'm a man of my word too. 0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:55.360 I'm gonna come to your gym when you get a studio, 0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:57.200 and I'm gonna give you five hundred bucks as soon 0:34:57.239 --> 0:34:58.840 as you are ready for a transplant. 0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:04.040 Okay, but let's talk about Look, I'm glad this is 0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:04.960 so funny to you. 0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:09.200 This isn't funny to you. 0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:09.640 No. 0:35:09.840 --> 0:35:11.719 I just get sensitive when you use a verb like 0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:13.720 pout to describe my behavior. 0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:18.080 Because he didn't get anything. 0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:21.520 Well, no, I mean it's like, hey, you know maybe. 0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:22.799 I used that ten minutes ago. 0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:26.719 Maybe the CEO of Throwing Sport Coffee, my good friend 0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:28.680 FIDELI will text me later be like, hey, dude, can 0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:30.800 you have Ray turn his phone off in the middle. 0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:31.160 Of our spot? 0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:33.400 Right? Okay, give me a call. 0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:39.360 We are sending a lot of coffee your way. Actually, anyway, 0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:44.000 if it matters to you. I got so far two things. 0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:50.680 Jackie Ship got like that, Oh my god, that. 0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:53.400 Natural black coffee. 0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:57.640 He's still going Kenny Natural coffee. Still, he's still rubbing it. 0:35:57.719 --> 0:36:01.680 In your featherweight main event this weekend, number seven ranked 0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:06.040 contender Yusef's a law the minus one sixty six betting favorite. 0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:09.719 The comeback on the former bantamway champion Aljamin Sterling is 0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:14.680 plus one forty. You will be there. What can you 0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:17.880 tell us about this fight and your expectations for it? 0:36:19.200 --> 0:36:22.800 I think God, listen, al Joe. He sent me his sparring. 0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:25.880 He sounds great. I think he's in a great spot 0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:30.319 and the kid is super talented. Great fight, IQ, he's 0:36:30.400 --> 0:36:32.719 winning that fight. Wow. 0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:34.960 Yeah, are you surprised that he's the underdog. 0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:39.280 Yeah, I'm real off here, I'm really surprised he's the underdog. 0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:42.520 You know, lost, So that was good. I always when 0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:45.799 I see him, he's got great energy, really nice guy. 0:36:45.880 --> 0:36:49.560 He's a great guy. Aljoe's got experience. You know, he's 0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:52.880 not really you know, his body's still intact. He's not 0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:56.839 really injured like some of the other guys were at 0:36:56.880 --> 0:36:59.839 this stage of the game. He's he's he's good to go, man, 0:37:00.600 --> 0:37:07.160 and uh like again, super smart, uh and I just 0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:09.480 think he's kind of better everywhere. You know, I think 0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:12.640 he's allows explosive and sometimes he's got to be careful 0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:14.320 with like some of the knees up the middle and 0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:17.520 some of the crazy stuff. But you know, skill for skill, 0:37:17.560 --> 0:37:20.319 I think al Joe matches up really, really well. 0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:23.759 Do you think do you think it's accurate to say 0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:26.960 that the Law's grappling is underrated and al joe striking 0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:27.680 is underrated? 0:37:28.600 --> 0:37:35.279 Ooh uh, that might be fair. I think that's fair. 0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:40.000 That's to say because al jo is grappling, his wrestling 0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:42.319 and jiu jitsu was really good, I. 0:37:43.920 --> 0:37:45.280 Would one of the best division. 0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:48.120 Yeah, I would think the advantage everybody would have to 0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:50.440 say is to him, he's he's freaking good and you 0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:53.120 know he's still active. You saw even with Henderson. He 0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:55.120 still can wrestle. You know, I'm not saying that was 0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:59.239 like a super big thing, but he's he's he's still 0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:02.439 good man. Oh yeah, without a doubt. Yeah, he's still 0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:07.120 in there. And striking wise, he's just as weird as 0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:09.800 a lot. I mean that they're both quirky, you know 0:38:09.840 --> 0:38:12.600 what I mean with this striking, but Aljo has been 0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:16.880 concentrating more on that. Uh, it'll be interesting see how 0:38:16.960 --> 0:38:18.560 he plays out in his head with it. 0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:21.000 But he's been focusing more on a striking, he says. 0:38:21.280 --> 0:38:23.640 I think he's he's been doing a lot of striking. 0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:26.000 Yeah, Ray Long a minute every week here on the 0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:28.920 Anaki Floran podcast, when Kenny asks a good question, right, 0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:31.800 you light up like a fucking Christmas you know. 0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:32.640 Yeah. 0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:33.920 And when I asked a good. 0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:37.160 Question, they take his ship. 0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:39.800 Yeah, get yeah, and you just direct the conversation to 0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:42.120 your man can flow. But I love the closeness no. 0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:44.279 Time. 0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:46.680 No, I'm just messing with you. So I don't want to. 0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:49.920 Necessarily live too much in this UFC fight night, but 0:38:50.000 --> 0:38:51.799 I did want to get your thoughts if I could. 0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:55.720 On Mike Mallot with a really big win and obviously 0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:58.320 the the UFC and m M A career of Gilbert 0:38:58.400 --> 0:38:59.640 Urino Burn's coming to and En. 0:39:00.960 --> 0:39:04.719 Yeah, I mean that's a a lot beautiful performance. I like, 0:39:05.200 --> 0:39:08.560 a really good shot selection. You know, he wasn't loading 0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:10.520 up on his punches. He was getting them there. And 0:39:10.600 --> 0:39:13.160 then when he got him in trouble, killer instinct came out. 0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:15.719 He just barraged him and finished a fight like he 0:39:15.760 --> 0:39:18.000 should do. But yeah, he didn't overdo it. At the beginning. 0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:21.719 You could see he was placing that uppercut really really well, 0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:25.640 timing that well and probably hitting at like fifty sixty percent. 0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:28.359 But then when it came time to go, he did. 0:39:28.520 --> 0:39:30.759 And I think it's a great win for him. And 0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:33.520 you know, Gilbert's a great guy. I think he's loved 0:39:33.560 --> 0:39:37.680 by everybody, had a great career, and anybody beats Tom's 0:39:37.719 --> 0:39:40.799 at they owe it to Gilbert for the first guy 0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:43.000 to make him look human, you know what I mean. 0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:47.480 So I think he's you know, he's fought the best 0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:49.000 of the best, and they all knew they were in 0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:51.680 a fight when they were fighting them. So hats off 0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:55.480 to Gilbert, hats off to Henry doing a great job 0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:57.120 with him, and he had a great career. 0:39:58.840 --> 0:40:01.360 Yeah, Henry Hoof certainly a name that deserves to be 0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:05.320 echoed today and tremendous career from Darena. We will have 0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:06.800 him on the show, just want to give him some 0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:09.880 time to sort of decompress a little bit. So everything 0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:12.400 I hear with Mike Mallott today from all these analysts, right, 0:40:12.520 --> 0:40:17.000 rain shifting and shot selection and plus athlete killer instinct, 0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:20.160 he really has a lot of tools. And yeah, you know, 0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:23.000 sometimes the way things fall, if you sort of just 0:40:23.120 --> 0:40:26.319 let things marinate for a little bit, then the right 0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:29.960 fight can materialize, you know, even without a call out, right, 0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:31.680 or you can be on the other end of things. 0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:34.680 We'll get to Norma Dumont later. Right, you don't lose 0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:37.040 a fight for four years and Amanda Noonz comes back 0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:39.000 and there's really nothing you can do about it, you know. 0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:40.640 But Ray, what do you I mean, do you think 0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:42.520 Mike Bilot can be a UFC welterweight champion? 0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:44.480 Oh? 0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:50.400 I think I don't know about that. Definitely got the tools, 0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:54.600 but we'll have to see on that one. I think 0:40:54.640 --> 0:40:58.000 that's a little bit of a stretch, but he's definitely 0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:01.239 he's definitely can compete for them the title for sure, 0:41:01.719 --> 0:41:05.160 you know, can he win the title? That's uh. I 0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:07.520 don't know what he does with Islam, you know, I 0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:09.840 don't know if his wrestling holds up and some of 0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:12.440 the other stuff. But we'll see. He's in a good 0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:17.400 spot either way. He's having a great career that she 0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:18.640 should be happy as hell. 0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:20.359 Yeah, I guess. 0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:24.680 I'm just curious what their internal intentions are, right, I mean, 0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:28.680 are all these guys like if Michael Morales doesn't have 0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:32.120 his number called and Ima Shadeogary does, does Morales? 0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:32.719 Wait? Right? 0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:34.920 It seems like Ousman is sort of laying back in 0:41:35.000 --> 0:41:39.080 the cut and waiting the former champs Muhammad and Della 0:41:39.160 --> 0:41:43.279 Maddelena both fighting and trying to defend their spots actively. Yeah, 0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:45.279 I think maybe just let the chips fall a little 0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:48.520 bit over the next few weeks. Let June sixth, Balal 0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:52.640 and bon Fime finish, and maybe his opponent comes out 0:41:52.680 --> 0:41:52.800 of that. 0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:56.600 So I would think Balal against Mike Malatt would be 0:41:56.640 --> 0:41:59.080 a great test for him to see where he's at. Yeah, 0:41:59.160 --> 0:42:01.200 that would be great. That would be a great fight. 0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:06.719 Yeah all right, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's go for one 0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:10.319 and welcome in Jaysonanic at Boston and into the conversation, Jay, 0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:11.879 Good afternoon, Good morning. 0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:12.399 How are we doing. 0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:15.040 I'm good, you know, I know I come in a 0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:16.680 little hot sometimes, But I just want to say, in 0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:19.360 terms of Mike and Mike Malott, and it's interesting that 0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:22.080 you inject the name Balah Mohammed into the conversation because 0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:24.840 in that UFC basketball game back in the day, the 0:42:24.920 --> 0:42:27.799 one where Jamal Hill tore his achilles, I met Mike 0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:29.920 Mallott that day and he had just entered the UFC 0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:31.840 and I was sort of messing with him. I was like, 0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:33.600 go feel my boy, Balal. If you think you want 0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:35.040 to compete in well to wait the way, go feel 0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:36.000 the strength on my. 0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:36.560 Guy, Blal. 0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:38.759 But what I'll say about Mike Mallott sort of echo 0:42:38.840 --> 0:42:42.120 what r J said earlier. It's the improvement. And to me, John, 0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:43.920 you say married to the game, I think he is 0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:45.279 married to the game. At this point he was a 0:42:45.320 --> 0:42:47.960 coach for a while, not trying to compete. He looked 0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:51.359 more powerful, more intentional, so I think, and there's my phone, 0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:53.560 of course, but so I just think that's fascinating for 0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:55.319 me lot because I think he's made and in terms 0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:56.840 of what he did or didn't do on the microphone. 0:42:56.840 --> 0:43:00.799 I don't think there's an obvious name, and that kind 0:43:00.840 --> 0:43:02.920 of is what it is in terms of the call out, 0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:05.000 but in terms of the mixed martial arts athlete, he 0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:07.640 was not ranked John prior to this fight. He'll take 0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:10.040 Gilbert Burns eleven perhaps or be twelve thirteen. But I 0:43:10.080 --> 0:43:12.200 think a ranked guy and pumping the brakes a little 0:43:12.200 --> 0:43:14.160 bit makes sense. But I think he's got a shot. 0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:16.560 Yeah, no, that's well put. There are a lot of 0:43:17.000 --> 0:43:18.399 intriguing fights for him. 0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:21.239 I guess sometimes I get ahead of myself and impatient 0:43:21.320 --> 0:43:23.399 and sort of think, well, you know, he's thirty three 0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:26.680 years of age, and you know, might take him two 0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:30.520 years now to build against the you know, maybe it's 0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:32.840 two wins in two years to then wait for a 0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:33.399 title shot. 0:43:33.440 --> 0:43:36.160 Who knows, you know, Yeah, very long goes back. 0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:40.640 Yeah, So I turned my phone off so. 0:43:40.719 --> 0:43:42.480 I didn't wear a hat because all you guys are 0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:44.040 talking about hair. I was like, all right, I never 0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:45.640 go to talk about hair. He wants to go to Turkey, 0:43:45.880 --> 0:43:48.080 you know, I mean this all natural. Baby John could 0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:49.960 have the same thing. So y'all look great. I could 0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:51.880 you know I'm watching on my phone earlier. I think 0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:53.840 Kenny's wearing a sports jacket. I'm like, what are you 0:43:54.480 --> 0:43:56.640 the broadcast booth. I'm like, what's the guy wearing? I 0:43:56.719 --> 0:43:58.279 love it now that I see it, and it helps. 0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:00.520 I'm thinking it's lying on a rad I wear. 0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:05.279 Jason, did you have thrown coffee this morning? 0:44:08.600 --> 0:44:10.600 I love my twin brother and this is a unique 0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:12.680 and I love flowing you and I get an opportunity 0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:15.040 to start. It's like I can't bite my tongue enough. 0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:17.359 And I watched the show for an hour. You can 0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:18.719 believe I got all sorts of things. 0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:20.520 Yeah, it's not propane. 0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:24.319 And as much as i'd love to on four to twenty, 0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:25.320 I didn't smoke nothing. 0:44:25.840 --> 0:44:31.960 Yeah, when your day is done and you want to 0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:33.200 ride on. 0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:38.880 So I have a quote from Ilio to Portia that 0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:40.879 I would like to read to you guys. And Jay 0:44:40.960 --> 0:44:43.200 put this on my radar and we got some George 0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:47.000 Saint Pierre's stuff coming up here shortly. But iliot Topia 0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:51.480 would appear to be a mental giant, right, I mean, 0:44:52.120 --> 0:44:55.600 I would think any life experience would be something that 0:44:55.680 --> 0:44:57.800 would forge him. And here's the quote that I just 0:44:57.960 --> 0:44:59.920 wanted to read. And we'll start with Ray and then 0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:03.200 Kenny on down the line. The challenge is going to 0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:05.840 come during fifteen minutes that I am in that octagon, 0:45:05.960 --> 0:45:08.520 But outside of that, it's just a normal day. So 0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:11.840 don't let yourself travel into the future and wear yourself 0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:14.960 down mentally. And I'm not saying all fighters fall in 0:45:15.080 --> 0:45:18.239 one bucket of this ray, but there are a lot 0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:21.280 of high level athletes and UFC fighters and MMA fighters 0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:27.440 that can't turn this mental page and it affects their 0:45:27.600 --> 0:45:30.520 energy system leading up to the fighting potentially on fight 0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:32.800 night and until Potio really seems to have done a 0:45:32.840 --> 0:45:34.720 lot of work mentally to make sure it doesn't impact 0:45:34.800 --> 0:45:35.439 him in that way. 0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:39.480 Yeah, looking spot on, I mean, if he could, you know, 0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:43.480 you know, the more I've been in this game, and 0:45:44.280 --> 0:45:48.279 you know, it's almost like what was Bruce is saying 0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:51.080 when he first got in to martial arts, A punch 0:45:51.239 --> 0:45:53.799 was just a punch, Then it wasn't a punch at 0:45:53.840 --> 0:45:55.600 the end, it's just a punch. I mean, it's the 0:45:55.760 --> 0:46:00.160 same thing that it's all mental. The mental aspect this 0:46:00.360 --> 0:46:03.359 game is the whole game, you know what I mean. 0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:07.640 Mental mental toughness is usual. You guys just don't have 0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:11.879 the discipline of other guys, and you know, whether that's 0:46:11.960 --> 0:46:14.920 how you're brought up. You know, look at Morob humble beginnings. 0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:18.400 He's you know, he's in the service over there, Russia's 0:46:18.440 --> 0:46:20.319 bombing them. He's got to live with that, He's got 0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:23.200 to live with all sorts of shitty things. And I 0:46:23.320 --> 0:46:26.000 think it just hardens in. It makes you a just 0:46:26.120 --> 0:46:30.400 a mentally tougher person. You can't, you know, compare that 0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:32.520 to a guy that was born with a silver spoon 0:46:32.600 --> 0:46:34.920 in his mouth. I mean, it's not that it's not doable, 0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:38.280 but I think the guys that come from humble beginnings 0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:40.040 just have a different way of looking at it. And 0:46:40.400 --> 0:46:43.080 that's what I love about talking to people from all 0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:46.480 over the world is that, you know, even like a 0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:48.960 Zarukia and they got they have a different way of 0:46:49.200 --> 0:46:53.239 or to be. They were just there's like a like 0:46:53.360 --> 0:46:58.480 a brutal like honesty about things that's just refreshing to hear. 0:46:58.840 --> 0:47:02.760 I don't know if that makes sense, but I think again, mentally, 0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:06.600 if you can compartmentalize everything and just state of course 0:47:06.680 --> 0:47:10.759 you've got you got seventy percent of the game beat already, man. 0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:11.880 You know. 0:47:12.040 --> 0:47:13.919 Yeah, I think the best way to deal with tough 0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:17.640 things is by doing tough things. I also think it's 0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:21.240 especially difficult when you're talking about these high profile fights. 0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:23.160 You know, it's one thing to go in there and 0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:24.120 fight on our prelimb. 0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:25.960 It's quite a different thing to go out there and 0:47:26.080 --> 0:47:29.920 fight in championship fight after championship fight. And then I 0:47:29.960 --> 0:47:33.440 would layer that even more by saying, you know, the 0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:36.640 guys like the Connor McGregor's or the Eliotoporias who take 0:47:36.680 --> 0:47:39.560 it up a notch by even talking trash and making 0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:42.560 fun of their opponents, and then after it's said and done, 0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:45.880 they're able to kind of put that away, shelf that 0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:48.520 and then just deal with the fight itself and stay 0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:51.680 present during that fight, you know, as opposed to thinking 0:47:51.719 --> 0:47:55.040 about that all the time. And that is mentally draining, 0:47:55.160 --> 0:47:57.839 spiritually draining, physically draining. 0:47:58.040 --> 0:47:59.120 For a lot of guys, especially. 0:47:59.280 --> 0:48:00.840 You know, then you got to talk to media, and 0:48:00.960 --> 0:48:03.600 media are asking the same damn question over and over 0:48:03.680 --> 0:48:05.600 and over again, and you're trying to get rid of 0:48:05.719 --> 0:48:07.120 that stuff and it can get back in you. 0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:09.120 So you know, I'd be lying if I said I 0:48:09.200 --> 0:48:10.759 got it all figured out during my career. 0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:11.120 I did. 0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:12.800 It was very difficult. 0:48:12.880 --> 0:48:15.600 You know, because certain fights were different than others with 0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:18.880 different stakes, So the ability to put that out of 0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:22.359 your head is huge. And clearly Iliotoporia has some kind 0:48:22.400 --> 0:48:24.600 of recipe that's working for him because we see it 0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:27.719 in his performances. Almost the more difficult the match up, 0:48:27.800 --> 0:48:28.840 the better he performs. 0:48:29.560 --> 0:48:33.319 Yes, one thing you know. You know back in the day, 0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:36.719 even with Sarah, he would refuse to do like interviews. 0:48:36.760 --> 0:48:39.040 I don't think you have that option today. You know, 0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:41.800 they're forcing people. Can the cameras come, Can they follow 0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:44.799 you around? It's it's a big burden when you're trying 0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:47.360 to concentrate on the fight and what you have to do. 0:48:47.480 --> 0:48:50.040 When you're in there, you have the media obligations. Could 0:48:50.040 --> 0:48:53.920 take a person down. Yes, and again we go back 0:48:53.960 --> 0:48:58.000 to that was the That was the beauty of that kid. 0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:01.640 Hoke it that he could do that stick and then 0:49:01.760 --> 0:49:04.520 get in there and fight like that. I'm saying, that's 0:49:04.560 --> 0:49:08.359 a really special talent. And the the more I think 0:49:08.400 --> 0:49:10.480 about it, Kay, the more I laugh about it. I 0:49:10.600 --> 0:49:14.400 think the guy's actually outstanding. I don't know, he's to 0:49:14.440 --> 0:49:17.320 pull it off so he can compartmentalize. A lot of 0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:20.840 guys can't do that. It's just impossible for him to 0:49:20.920 --> 0:49:23.520 do it, so he's got a special talent. But that's 0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:26.440 the mental side of this game is huge, and I 0:49:26.480 --> 0:49:29.160 think Kenny's you got to do hard things to become hard. 0:49:29.719 --> 0:49:31.440 Something as simple as you know that. What was that? 0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:33.840 The guy that just make your bed every morning to 0:49:33.920 --> 0:49:34.759 build discipline? 0:49:34.920 --> 0:49:34.960 What? 0:49:35.280 --> 0:49:37.400 Jordan Peterson, Yes, it's you know what. 0:49:38.080 --> 0:49:38.600 It's true. 0:49:39.520 --> 0:49:41.480 If you make your bet, you got so far. 0:49:42.120 --> 0:49:44.120 Let me just get in here real quick. The compartment 0:49:44.200 --> 0:49:46.440 mentalization is a good thing. But Kenny has put Toporia 0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:48.799 on a pedestal with good reason. And I stand there 0:49:48.880 --> 0:49:50.879 with Kenny with that, and I want to be along 0:49:50.920 --> 0:49:54.720 for this ride watching this brilliant icon like this applies 0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:57.560 to life. It's not just about fighting this mentality. And 0:49:57.840 --> 0:49:59.719 we go back to the Volkanovsky fight. He beat him 0:49:59.719 --> 0:50:03.319 exactly how we wanted to, precisely when. And that does 0:50:03.400 --> 0:50:06.080 come from the mental component too. I understand fighters have 0:50:06.200 --> 0:50:09.319 different things they need to lean into. Corey Sandagan needs 0:50:09.360 --> 0:50:11.720 to be fired up before the fight. I was privileged 0:50:11.719 --> 0:50:13.920 to be with the Notatamakano in his kitchen about a 0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:16.479 month before Ben La Sontoni fight, and he couldn't something 0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:19.200 belt Santani perseverating over him all day didn't hurt him 0:50:19.200 --> 0:50:22.760 in his performance. So everyone's different. But Ilio Toporia continues 0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:25.480 to blow my mind and ultimately, gosh, he's going to 0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:28.239 be prepared for whatever is coming his way at the 0:50:28.280 --> 0:50:30.799 White House against Gae Chee. And finally, I'll say, Tom 0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:33.680 Brady said, I was good at twenty five, I was 0:50:33.760 --> 0:50:35.800 great at thirty five, and at forty five, I was 0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:39.000 a master of the sport. And that's because of the mental. 0:50:39.160 --> 0:50:41.200 And so if Ilia has become a master of the 0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:43.840 mental given the physical stuff, good lunch. 0:50:43.680 --> 0:50:47.200 Out heah, yeah, one hundred percent. And that's why I 0:50:47.239 --> 0:50:50.120 tell you, you know, that's why I do like the wrestlers, 0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:54.560 because like to become like a national champ, you're going 0:50:54.600 --> 0:50:56.719 through it first. There's no way you got there just 0:50:56.840 --> 0:50:59.560 by feeling good every day. You know you're gonna have 0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:02.800 bad ankles, bad knees. You have to growing through it, 0:51:02.840 --> 0:51:06.560 and that's part of the process. And you know, it's 0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:09.280 a good way for these guys to really develop mentally 0:51:09.320 --> 0:51:11.800 if you could get to that level. You know, like 0:51:11.960 --> 0:51:14.320 boxing is a little different because you take too many shots, 0:51:14.719 --> 0:51:16.880 so you got to really be careful with you know 0:51:17.040 --> 0:51:21.239 how you you know progress with that, but sometimes these 0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:23.360 other guys from just other countries, they just have a 0:51:23.400 --> 0:51:25.160 different way You're looking at it, and I love it. 0:51:25.239 --> 0:51:28.000 I think it's refreshing and you could see the difference 0:51:28.040 --> 0:51:29.359 when you talk to them right away. 0:51:30.280 --> 0:51:32.360 I was thirty one, thirty two years old when I 0:51:32.600 --> 0:51:36.960 called my first UFC fight with Kenny Florian in Nashville, Tennessee, 0:51:37.080 --> 0:51:41.040 January twenty ath twenty twelve. Right, and certainly there have 0:51:41.120 --> 0:51:43.840 been times over the years where I battled nerves. There 0:51:43.880 --> 0:51:47.719 are certain broadcasting environments or situations or asks on a 0:51:47.760 --> 0:51:51.239 given night, whether it's memorization or a given stand up, 0:51:51.280 --> 0:51:55.200 whatever it is, that can maybe occupy some space mentally. 0:51:55.360 --> 0:51:58.720 But certainly, when I am in that booth at forty seven, 0:51:58.840 --> 0:52:01.080 I am exponential more comfortable. 0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:02.760 Like I was more nervous yesterday. 0:52:02.800 --> 0:52:05.200 I went to Game one of the Celtics Sixers series 0:52:05.280 --> 0:52:09.080 as Celtics head coach Joe Mazzula's guest, sitting like right 0:52:09.160 --> 0:52:11.320 next to the bench. I was more nervous for that 0:52:11.600 --> 0:52:15.279 than probably anything I broadcast in career. So yeah, maybe 0:52:15.280 --> 0:52:17.279 I gotta work on that, all right. 0:52:17.360 --> 0:52:20.880 I don't feel bad for you, John, No, thanks. 0:52:23.080 --> 0:52:26.040 This head coach is just an incredible human being, and 0:52:26.200 --> 0:52:29.799 he's just obsessive about craft and preparation. And even last 0:52:29.880 --> 0:52:32.239 night after the Celtics win, he's texting me. It's like 0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:35.759 random question, asking me about my prep and how many 0:52:35.800 --> 0:52:37.879 hours it takes me to prep for a numbered event 0:52:38.000 --> 0:52:38.239 and what. 0:52:38.400 --> 0:52:39.440 The process is like. 0:52:39.600 --> 0:52:42.280 And yeah, he he likes jiu jitsu more than basketball. 0:52:42.880 --> 0:52:47.080 Yeah, he loves fighting. So he's a man. 0:52:47.840 --> 0:52:48.000 Ray. 0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:52.960 So before we let you go, So, George Saint Pierre 0:52:54.080 --> 0:52:57.480 is somebody who was always preach sprinting over running, and 0:52:57.520 --> 0:52:59.439 he's certainly not the only one. I remember there would 0:52:59.440 --> 0:53:02.480 be times and Kenny Florian out of training camp just 0:53:02.520 --> 0:53:04.560 to like reset, would go to the streets of Dover, 0:53:04.680 --> 0:53:07.920 Massachusetts and just run a six a mile to just 0:53:08.000 --> 0:53:12.240 punish his nervous system. But I took my daughter Tatum 0:53:12.480 --> 0:53:14.720 to do some sprints. We're in a very hilly area 0:53:14.800 --> 0:53:20.239 here in Glenville, Connecticut, right, and she puked right. So 0:53:20.800 --> 0:53:23.000 we did five sprints up the hill and she pewed 0:53:23.239 --> 0:53:25.680 right because she maybe thinks she's in good shape and 0:53:25.760 --> 0:53:28.640 she's not. So we have some video from George Saint Pierre. Oh, 0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:32.080 I thought it was video of Tatum. Sorry, no, we 0:53:32.160 --> 0:53:34.200 don't have video of Tatum throwing up on the curb, 0:53:34.280 --> 0:53:37.439 but I want to play this because Ray Longo has 0:53:37.600 --> 0:53:41.400 long drawn praise for coaching cardio and getting guys in 0:53:41.480 --> 0:53:44.240 great shape. So this is the Great George, the great 0:53:44.440 --> 0:53:45.359 George Saint Pierre. 0:53:46.400 --> 0:53:50.200 I believe in cardio if you're a combat athlete, and 0:53:50.320 --> 0:53:52.439 this I got an argument with for us all the time, 0:53:53.360 --> 0:53:56.520 I believe in efficiency, and people will ask me why 0:53:56.600 --> 0:53:57.120 do you run? 0:53:57.239 --> 0:54:00.960 Then ice print because of the benefit it gives me. 0:54:01.280 --> 0:54:05.040 I don't believe sprinting will increase my cardio. I just 0:54:05.160 --> 0:54:09.680 believe that doing something as hard as I can for 0:54:09.840 --> 0:54:13.800 a small amount of time and taking a break and 0:54:13.920 --> 0:54:16.600 then repeating it again and again, I think it adds 0:54:16.760 --> 0:54:19.800 huge benefits for me, especially as you get older. And 0:54:19.880 --> 0:54:22.399 I've been sprinting for a long time and I love 0:54:22.480 --> 0:54:27.759 the benefits it gives me. In like, I don't do 0:54:27.840 --> 0:54:30.879 it for cardio purpose because I believe in fighting. It's 0:54:30.880 --> 0:54:33.560 all about efficiency. Even though you're in better shape than me. 0:54:33.640 --> 0:54:35.600 But if I'm more efficient than you, you'll get tired 0:54:35.640 --> 0:54:40.360 before I do. And it's like that in every sport, hockey, basketball, 0:54:40.400 --> 0:54:43.279 I don't care. I believe if you're an athlete, efficiency 0:54:43.520 --> 0:54:46.680 is number one goal. You focus on skill and technique 0:54:46.680 --> 0:54:47.360 and efficiency. 0:54:52.320 --> 0:54:56.640 Yeah yeah, really. Look well, so here's the whole key 0:54:57.120 --> 0:55:00.400 to what we just heard is that he will believes it. 0:55:00.800 --> 0:55:05.239 That's all that matters. He believes it, and it makes 0:55:05.320 --> 0:55:08.400 him feel good, and that's all that that literally is 0:55:08.480 --> 0:55:11.960 all that matters. There. Listen. Obviously, there's nothing wrong with sprints, 0:55:12.000 --> 0:55:14.080 but I'll give you an example. If I have a 0:55:14.120 --> 0:55:18.759 guy sprinting right, he feels great, and then somebody else 0:55:18.840 --> 0:55:20.840 tells me, you know, sprint, it's gonna ruin you. You 0:55:20.920 --> 0:55:23.239 know what I mean, Like, you gotta right jump. The 0:55:23.360 --> 0:55:26.239 guy's done, he's done with the spring. This is the 0:55:26.360 --> 0:55:31.279 fucking problem. But George believes it. He says, he even 0:55:31.400 --> 0:55:33.720 argues with run. It puts him in a good spot. 0:55:35.040 --> 0:55:38.200 That's all that fucking matters. Just fucking move because honestly, 0:55:38.920 --> 0:55:43.160 you gotta look at Morob. Morob, besides doing everything, he 0:55:43.360 --> 0:55:47.360 gets his endurance from doing what he does. He wrestles 0:55:47.440 --> 0:55:51.000 every day, He fights every day. He's got cardio for 0:55:51.160 --> 0:55:55.480 days because where it's fighting to other guys, it's just 0:55:55.560 --> 0:55:58.920 a normal day for him and that's and that's another thing, 0:55:59.480 --> 0:56:02.560 you know, I mean, I bet you, I bet you it. 0:56:02.560 --> 0:56:04.880 There has been ten guys that Morob's fort that had 0:56:04.920 --> 0:56:07.600 a better VO two max than him, I bet you, 0:56:08.120 --> 0:56:11.280 you know, and scientific, why wouldn't you? No, you're not threatened, 0:56:11.760 --> 0:56:13.160 you know what I mean by mentally? 0:56:13.239 --> 0:56:14.319 They didn't have a better video. 0:56:15.200 --> 0:56:17.800 Yeah, right, Penny, But that's the that's the point of 0:56:17.840 --> 0:56:21.279 the store, right right. These motherfuckers leave all of that 0:56:21.360 --> 0:56:24.080 ship out, you know what I mean? Like, Yeah, there's 0:56:24.160 --> 0:56:26.719 a lot that's going on in there, man mentally, Like 0:56:26.840 --> 0:56:29.880 you said, Jit is under the lights, this and that. Now, 0:56:30.040 --> 0:56:32.560 if you really want to do those tests, do it 0:56:32.600 --> 0:56:35.040 while the guys fight. And I think they tried that 0:56:35.160 --> 0:56:37.680 with Morob. Where's his heartbeat at? Where's you know, where's 0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:40.320 is whatever? But you know what I'm saying, like, that's 0:56:40.920 --> 0:56:42.279 what you have to do. You put a guy in 0:56:42.320 --> 0:56:45.919 the Treadmilding's in the air condition fucking room running. They're 0:56:46.000 --> 0:56:49.640 good for you, that's good. Yeah, in the face ten 0:56:49.760 --> 0:56:52.560 times and get back on the tread. Will see how 0:56:52.600 --> 0:56:54.760 you do. That's the decis. 0:56:55.920 --> 0:56:59.200 I'll say the sport is more anaerobic than it is aerobic. 0:56:59.320 --> 0:57:01.960 Okay, Now that's not to say I would go out 0:57:02.000 --> 0:57:05.200 and run ten miles you know, at the time a camp, 0:57:05.560 --> 0:57:07.640 because you know, I just wanted to do it for 0:57:07.760 --> 0:57:09.120 me as kind of like a mental test. 0:57:09.160 --> 0:57:11.640 I don't know where I was at. And again it 0:57:11.719 --> 0:57:14.280 goes back to that like comfort level with how you're training. 0:57:14.960 --> 0:57:16.840 But also I would I would say that it also 0:57:17.040 --> 0:57:20.080 caters to George and his skills as well. I think 0:57:20.120 --> 0:57:22.600 we'd all agree that he was pretty damn explosive over 0:57:22.640 --> 0:57:25.520 the course of his career. His double leg was unstoppable. 0:57:25.600 --> 0:57:27.800 Even if you were a high level D one wrestler, 0:57:27.920 --> 0:57:30.040 he was gonna take you down. It was just a 0:57:30.080 --> 0:57:32.600 matter of time. He was so quick with his jab, 0:57:32.680 --> 0:57:35.480 he was so those are things that brought out a 0:57:35.600 --> 0:57:39.200 lot of the natural instincts and strengths of George Pierre 0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:41.920 as a fighter. So of course it's like, hey, I'm fast. 0:57:42.040 --> 0:57:46.360 I like doing fast things, no shit. So you know, 0:57:46.480 --> 0:57:49.160 so that certainly catered to his style and and to 0:57:49.320 --> 0:57:52.640 him as an athlete. So but I do think there's 0:57:52.760 --> 0:57:55.640 value across the board for that, because a lot of 0:57:55.760 --> 0:57:59.640 the sport is kind of being able to be explosive 0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:03.360 and then recover quickly, be explosive again, recover quickly. 0:58:04.200 --> 0:58:05.920 But then you have the Dias brothers on the other 0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:06.880 side of the equation who. 0:58:06.840 --> 0:58:11.680 Are doing more long sustained cardio right where you're kind 0:58:11.680 --> 0:58:13.840 of staying at a certain heart rate for long periods 0:58:13.840 --> 0:58:14.120 of time. 0:58:14.200 --> 0:58:16.680 And I don't think anyone will question their cardio right. 0:58:16.720 --> 0:58:18.480 So it's all different. 0:58:19.160 --> 0:58:21.600 Like Ray said, it's what's going to help you mentally 0:58:21.640 --> 0:58:23.560 as a fighter and also what caters to you as 0:58:23.640 --> 0:58:27.480 a fighter. But George is also correct. Efficiency is king 0:58:27.560 --> 0:58:29.960 in martial arts. In anything you do. Your ability to 0:58:30.480 --> 0:58:33.760 hold onto your energy, preserve your energy, sustain your energy 0:58:34.200 --> 0:58:35.840 is absolutely critical to the game. 0:58:36.560 --> 0:58:40.320 And George is a guy you know, gymnastics, whatever it was, balance, 0:58:40.720 --> 0:58:43.960 the physio ball, he hit it all and he's the 0:58:44.000 --> 0:58:47.400 guy's of martial artists. He enjoys it, that's the problem. 0:58:47.720 --> 0:58:49.960 He really, I believe, loves it. You can see his 0:58:50.160 --> 0:58:53.800 passions when he's talking about it. And that's John, I 0:58:53.920 --> 0:58:56.560 will guarantee you. That's more what Kenny said, like given 0:58:56.640 --> 0:58:59.200 him run in ten if it makes him feel good, 0:59:00.440 --> 0:59:02.960 you know, feel good, do good man. I mean, that's 0:59:03.040 --> 0:59:06.280 that's it. It's that simple. Some guys should don't even 0:59:06.320 --> 0:59:07.880 have to do car. I think if you could spart 0:59:08.000 --> 0:59:10.560 ten fives in a row, what are you doing cardio? 0:59:10.720 --> 0:59:16.160 Fore you're doing it, that's your cardio and that that's 0:59:16.200 --> 0:59:18.760 a big thing, man. The big thing is making a 0:59:18.880 --> 0:59:21.360 guy believe that he's in a good spot. Either you 0:59:21.520 --> 0:59:22.920 have to do it or he has to do it, 0:59:23.440 --> 0:59:26.560 but you have to believe you did everything right. And 0:59:26.840 --> 0:59:28.320 I could tell you back in the day, if I 0:59:28.680 --> 0:59:30.720 was off on the training and right it and torture 0:59:30.800 --> 0:59:33.200 certain people, he go, what what he doing? I don't 0:59:33.200 --> 0:59:36.120 feel good. I have to be taching. It's just that's 0:59:36.200 --> 0:59:39.280 the way it is today. And I talked to a 0:59:39.440 --> 0:59:42.520 lot of coaches. Nobody wants to put the fucking work 0:59:42.560 --> 0:59:46.600 in anymore. They just don't. It's we're in a TikTok generation. 0:59:46.680 --> 0:59:48.520 I don't know what the fuck is. We kind of 0:59:48.560 --> 0:59:50.280 all came up the other night saying it has to 0:59:50.360 --> 0:59:53.520 be social media. That's the common denominator over the last 0:59:53.600 --> 0:59:56.440 ten years, that people are more interested in putting a 0:59:56.520 --> 0:59:58.760 post on and getting the arrest to the fucking hills 0:59:59.120 --> 1:00:02.680 and running like there's nothing stopping you from building your 1:00:02.760 --> 1:00:05.680 cardio every fucking day. There's nothing stopping you from that 1:00:05.800 --> 1:00:06.560 except yourself. 1:00:06.840 --> 1:00:08.880 And I know you're gonna go push the sled right now, 1:00:09.000 --> 1:00:13.240 probably at the gym, so we will let you get 1:00:13.320 --> 1:00:15.480 on with it. I hope you have a great day 1:00:15.640 --> 1:00:18.439 and a better evening and uh save travels to Las Vegas. 1:00:18.480 --> 1:00:20.440 We wish you all the best Algamain Sterling plus one 1:00:20.600 --> 1:00:23.240 forty Right now, we'll see where it closes moment. 1:00:23.520 --> 1:00:26.080 Let's fucking go, well, Jed's gonna close as an even fight. 1:00:26.200 --> 1:00:28.880 I guarantee you you're fucking crazy, Get out of your 1:00:28.960 --> 1:00:31.439 fucking get out of here. 1:00:32.000 --> 1:00:34.960 Thank you, Ray, you buston fucking fools. Get me the 1:00:35.040 --> 1:00:36.040 fuck out of this place. 1:00:36.960 --> 1:00:37.400 I believe. 1:00:37.600 --> 1:00:41.680 I mean, this has been like an Aljamain Sterling promotional 1:00:41.840 --> 1:00:45.600 vehicle since twenty fifteen when he was fighting fucking Johnny Eduardo. 1:00:45.760 --> 1:00:47.640 So Ray Longo needs to check. 1:00:47.520 --> 1:00:51.800 Himself before he uh he wrecked himself. 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Uh 1:02:22.640 --> 1:02:25.200 and it doesn't cost me anything to follow him on Instagram. 1:02:25.320 --> 1:02:27.840 This is as good to follow in the gambling space. 1:02:27.880 --> 1:02:28.440 Are you clapping? 1:02:28.520 --> 1:02:28.680 Jay? 1:02:29.000 --> 1:02:32.160 I mean you have an applause button on a board 1:02:32.200 --> 1:02:34.760 to your right. You got your shitty applause, your focus 1:02:34.880 --> 1:02:37.400 on earlier, you kept my boy Mattie Betts waiting like 1:02:37.520 --> 1:02:39.320 twelve minutes in the back. I didn't even get to 1:02:39.480 --> 1:02:41.320 launch on the George saying Pierre thing I brought to 1:02:41.400 --> 1:02:45.320 the program get to my boy Tanner. Well, I think 1:02:45.400 --> 1:02:48.000 Matti Betts would blame Ray Longo for the delayed start. Maddie, 1:02:48.000 --> 1:02:51.160 it's great to see you, brother. So of all the 1:02:51.240 --> 1:02:53.520 different things that you bring to this MMA space and 1:02:53.560 --> 1:02:56.240 the gambling space, I would argue the best thing you 1:02:56.360 --> 1:02:58.760 bring to it is not your looks nor your personality. 1:02:58.800 --> 1:02:59.920 It's your psycho parlay. 1:03:01.400 --> 1:03:03.520 And within the last several weeks you have hit one 1:03:03.560 --> 1:03:06.680 of these parlays and if you don't know, it's one 1:03:06.760 --> 1:03:09.680 fighter by knockout, one by submission, and then one by 1:03:09.840 --> 1:03:13.240 decision and you recently hit one. These are six figure 1:03:13.280 --> 1:03:15.520 hits off in times over one hundred thousand dollars. So 1:03:16.200 --> 1:03:18.200 we'd like to hear about that major on the Anaki 1:03:18.200 --> 1:03:18.960 Florian podcast. 1:03:19.800 --> 1:03:22.560 Yeah, unfortunately, we didn't even hit a single leg this 1:03:22.680 --> 1:03:26.360 past week, but that's how it goes usually. So usually 1:03:26.440 --> 1:03:28.120 I hit one and then I go cold for like 1:03:28.200 --> 1:03:29.560 three months, and then I hit another one. 1:03:30.200 --> 1:03:30.320 Uh. 1:03:30.440 --> 1:03:32.080 But if you hit him at twenty five to one 1:03:32.200 --> 1:03:35.400 thirty five to one, you can lose. You can lose 1:03:35.440 --> 1:03:37.320 half a year straight and still be up money. So 1:03:37.960 --> 1:03:39.880 that's been the success of it. I've hit five of 1:03:39.960 --> 1:03:44.040 them now in the year. Yeah, five total. The very 1:03:44.120 --> 1:03:47.200 first one I ever hit was the hamzat chamaiv's submission 1:03:47.280 --> 1:03:50.320 was the last leg in the main event against Robert Whittaker. 1:03:51.320 --> 1:03:52.920 That was the birth of the cycle parlay. 1:03:53.480 --> 1:03:53.680 And the. 1:03:55.200 --> 1:03:57.600 Very last one I hit was was was money moi 1:03:57.640 --> 1:04:00.720 kanas sub was the last leg so was I believe 1:04:00.760 --> 1:04:04.400 it was three k to win one hundred and seven thousand, wow. 1:04:05.600 --> 1:04:08.040 And on that one it was your boy Moykano coming 1:04:08.080 --> 1:04:08.560 through for you. 1:04:09.200 --> 1:04:12.080 Came through, but you would not believe the first leg, 1:04:12.720 --> 1:04:15.720 which fight was it women's MMA fight where the fight 1:04:15.800 --> 1:04:18.800 got stopped? H did the DQ? 1:04:19.040 --> 1:04:19.400 They didn't? 1:04:19.400 --> 1:04:21.440 They they restarted the fight and it went the distance. 1:04:21.880 --> 1:04:24.000 Oh my gosh, Yeah, I don't what you're talking. 1:04:24.000 --> 1:04:26.440 Are not and. 1:04:26.440 --> 1:04:29.840 I should know this? Uh yeah? But they stopped the 1:04:29.880 --> 1:04:32.360 fight in the in the second round and then she 1:04:32.480 --> 1:04:35.080 won what twenty nine twenty seven on the scorecards because 1:04:35.080 --> 1:04:37.360 of the point deduction whatever it was. So I thought 1:04:37.440 --> 1:04:39.560 the parlay was done. On the first leg, I was like, 1:04:40.200 --> 1:04:42.200 the easiest leg was like plus one ten. I was like, 1:04:42.280 --> 1:04:45.800 it's over. They restart the fight, the fight ends, get 1:04:46.120 --> 1:04:48.920 get the decision that I hit the ko leg and 1:04:49.000 --> 1:04:52.320 then the last leg was Mokana's sub to end it. 1:04:52.680 --> 1:04:55.040 Uh and no one believed the Moana in that fight. 1:04:55.160 --> 1:04:56.760 So it was kind of a good spot. It was 1:04:56.840 --> 1:04:59.760 on the Duncan train, but he came through for us, 1:04:59.800 --> 1:05:02.040 so right, I felt very good about it after the 1:05:02.080 --> 1:05:04.240 first round because the job was working. He was tired, 1:05:04.320 --> 1:05:06.320 Duncan out and I was like, eventually he's going to 1:05:06.360 --> 1:05:08.440 get his back, and so I felt good about it. 1:05:08.520 --> 1:05:11.160 So it was nice to cash one on Moiicano. 1:05:11.840 --> 1:05:15.760 And last weekend you hit Barbosa on that What did 1:05:15.800 --> 1:05:16.040 you hit? 1:05:17.200 --> 1:05:18.960 That was the one good bet I hit. I had 1:05:19.000 --> 1:05:21.720 a her end this week. I took a haircut on Gilbert. 1:05:21.760 --> 1:05:23.920 Of course, all the support. I've took a haircut on 1:05:23.920 --> 1:05:26.800 Gilbert a few times in a row now, But yeah, 1:05:26.880 --> 1:05:30.480 I hit the two legger was under one and a 1:05:30.520 --> 1:05:33.400 half in that fight, and then the first leg was 1:05:34.080 --> 1:05:37.080 the fight before and I can't remember now the submission 1:05:37.120 --> 1:05:39.040 with Robert Valentine submission at plus two ten. 1:05:39.880 --> 1:05:40.640 So I hit that one. 1:05:40.720 --> 1:05:42.440 But I had a pretty bad car last week, so 1:05:42.480 --> 1:05:44.000 I'm hoping to bounce back for this one. 1:05:44.400 --> 1:05:46.720 So Gilbert, let's just stay there for a minute. I 1:05:47.360 --> 1:05:49.360 host another show. I talked about him all morning on 1:05:49.440 --> 1:05:51.320 that They've touched on him here. I know you've known 1:05:51.400 --> 1:05:53.840 him for a long time hosting the show Me the 1:05:53.880 --> 1:05:57.200 Money podcast with Mokano. We could take it any number 1:05:57.200 --> 1:05:59.800 of ways with Gilbert right, whether it's five straight losses, 1:06:00.080 --> 1:06:02.920 all his boys with him, the brilliant career, the last 1:06:02.960 --> 1:06:05.920 five losses, everybody right up at contention or a champion, 1:06:06.360 --> 1:06:08.200 But he's one of the most special human beings. I've 1:06:08.240 --> 1:06:10.080 met in this game, and in a game where there 1:06:10.080 --> 1:06:11.880 are a lot of special people talk to us about 1:06:11.920 --> 1:06:12.680 your boy a little bit. 1:06:13.400 --> 1:06:14.120 Oh dude, I. 1:06:15.960 --> 1:06:18.480 Was, you know, going into the fight, I was a 1:06:18.520 --> 1:06:22.160 little bit nervous, you know. I think I think he 1:06:22.840 --> 1:06:24.880 fought better than some of his recent fights, right, he 1:06:24.960 --> 1:06:27.480 made it in the round three. He went out on 1:06:27.560 --> 1:06:30.320 a shield. And there's so many great things you say 1:06:30.320 --> 1:06:32.560 about him. I mean literally, I can't name anyone that's 1:06:32.560 --> 1:06:35.760 had a harder resume in MMA. I mean, the last 1:06:35.840 --> 1:06:38.600 four or five six fights he's had has been incredible. 1:06:38.680 --> 1:06:40.440 But you hit the nail on the head, Jason. He's 1:06:40.480 --> 1:06:43.720 just the greatest human being. Like he runs into people, 1:06:43.800 --> 1:06:45.960 he's no idea who. They already treats him like he's 1:06:46.080 --> 1:06:48.720 like his best friend, you know, and everyone says the 1:06:48.800 --> 1:06:51.480 same exact things. Like I was in the sauna yesterday 1:06:51.480 --> 1:06:53.920 at Lifetime and some random guy comes up to me 1:06:53.960 --> 1:06:56.240 in the sauna and said that exact thing to me. 1:06:56.280 --> 1:06:58.400 He said, I met Gilbert the other day and it 1:06:58.480 --> 1:06:59.920 was like he knew me for ten years, He's never 1:07:00.040 --> 1:07:02.560 met me before. He's like, he just treats every person 1:07:02.720 --> 1:07:04.760 like that. So I think, just what he's done in 1:07:04.840 --> 1:07:07.520 his career, how he's treated people, how he's inspired people. 1:07:07.600 --> 1:07:10.040 It's been remarkable to watch, you know. And my favorite 1:07:10.040 --> 1:07:12.200 fight of all time is the Goer Burns versus Hams 1:07:12.200 --> 1:07:14.680 out fight. Me too, I was there live AND's still 1:07:14.720 --> 1:07:17.360 to this day. My favorite fight meeto Josh Hoagan fights 1:07:17.400 --> 1:07:19.080 up there now that that was pretty pretty insane. 1:07:20.880 --> 1:07:25.320 So, Kenny, your last UFC fight was against Jose out 1:07:25.320 --> 1:07:28.280 of October twenty eleven for the UFC featherweight title, And 1:07:29.040 --> 1:07:33.080 I know you fought for the belt more than once, right, 1:07:33.200 --> 1:07:36.160 But like Gilbert and we talked about this earlier, Maddie, 1:07:36.400 --> 1:07:37.960 but I just want to get Kenny's thoughts on it. 1:07:38.120 --> 1:07:40.520 You know, he was so married to the game and 1:07:40.680 --> 1:07:43.560 so focused on winning a UFC title and so obsessive 1:07:43.920 --> 1:07:48.680 about the details. And you know, if you beat Mike Malot, right, 1:07:48.840 --> 1:07:51.400 it's like the window is still open, even if it's 1:07:51.480 --> 1:07:54.640 one percent. And I just wonder, Kenny, how you sort 1:07:54.640 --> 1:07:57.480 of deal with the disappointment. I mean, yes, he's retiring, right, 1:07:57.560 --> 1:08:00.480 and not on the high note like some other fighters 1:08:00.560 --> 1:08:03.040 have been able to. But I think for Gilbert, you know, 1:08:03.200 --> 1:08:04.800 it's like you still think you could be the best 1:08:04.840 --> 1:08:05.840 in the world until you don't. 1:08:07.080 --> 1:08:11.520 Yeah, I think that he was really a thinking man's fighter, 1:08:11.600 --> 1:08:14.760 and sometimes that can be kryptonite in mixed martial arts 1:08:14.800 --> 1:08:16.559 because you can overthink things. 1:08:16.600 --> 1:08:20.000 And he talked a little bit about how he would 1:08:20.000 --> 1:08:21.200 always expect. 1:08:20.880 --> 1:08:24.840 To do a certain thing during a fight and his 1:08:25.000 --> 1:08:27.840 performance wouldn't really indicate what he thought he would be 1:08:27.920 --> 1:08:30.519 able to do. And I think that's a good indication 1:08:30.680 --> 1:08:33.040 that maybe it's time to get out of the game 1:08:33.160 --> 1:08:36.760 because this game is absolutely brutal. Gilbert's given us so 1:08:36.880 --> 1:08:40.360 many great fights. He has fought the best in the world, 1:08:40.640 --> 1:08:44.880 and he knows it's time. Had an unbelievable jiu jitsu 1:08:44.960 --> 1:08:49.400 career and unbelievable mixed martial arts career. Again, he's achieved 1:08:49.479 --> 1:08:52.479 what very few people can ever achieve in both. 1:08:52.280 --> 1:08:55.240 Of those sports. So I think he can retire with 1:08:55.320 --> 1:08:56.080 his head up high. 1:08:56.600 --> 1:08:59.880 And again, props to him for recognizing that, Hey, you 1:08:59.920 --> 1:09:02.719 know what, it's time, because a lot of fighters don't. 1:09:02.960 --> 1:09:04.560 They hang out in the game for too long and 1:09:04.640 --> 1:09:07.320 now physically suffer because of it. Well, I think he's 1:09:07.360 --> 1:09:08.360 getting out at the right time. 1:09:08.760 --> 1:09:10.800 Maddi bets Jason Anak with us live on the Anaki 1:09:10.840 --> 1:09:13.639 flooring podcast powered by all the smoke fights. So, Maddie, 1:09:14.000 --> 1:09:16.120 your flagship show for home of fight to show Me 1:09:16.160 --> 1:09:18.920 the Money podcast. Gilbert Burns is now retiring, and I'd 1:09:18.960 --> 1:09:21.840 imagine he'll be omnipresent on the show even more so now. 1:09:22.280 --> 1:09:24.920 But when moy Kano's fighting Duncan, right, like, you need 1:09:24.960 --> 1:09:25.920 a win for your show? 1:09:26.760 --> 1:09:28.200 Yeah, right, like I. 1:09:28.240 --> 1:09:30.720 Mean, and certainly a lot of people well, no, a 1:09:30.760 --> 1:09:33.280 lot of people were planting their flag on Chris Duncan. 1:09:33.360 --> 1:09:37.720 And no, I mean, like we we went Ray Longo, right, 1:09:37.760 --> 1:09:39.479 there have been times with Ray Longo where it's like, man, 1:09:39.520 --> 1:09:42.000 it'd be really good if one of Longo's guys could emerge, 1:09:42.000 --> 1:09:44.080 and then Morob fucking becomes the greatest band of Weight 1:09:44.120 --> 1:09:46.240 of all time, and it's great for our show, right, Like, so, 1:09:46.600 --> 1:09:48.760 but that win for your show and capping that, but 1:09:48.960 --> 1:09:51.599 like that was big for your podcast and your brand, 1:09:51.800 --> 1:09:52.080 was it not? 1:09:52.520 --> 1:09:52.720 Yeah? 1:09:52.760 --> 1:09:54.840 One hundred percent? People were even texting me they were like, 1:09:54.960 --> 1:09:58.160 what happens in Moykana knocks out Chris Duncan. I was like, bro, 1:09:58.280 --> 1:09:59.960 I'm gonna be happy for him. I'm gonna be happy 1:09:59.960 --> 1:10:01.519 for for him, happy for the show, right right, so 1:10:01.600 --> 1:10:03.280 I'm not gonna win one hundred and seven thousand dollars. 1:10:04.040 --> 1:10:06.680 I was not gonna be happy for the guy, you know. 1:10:06.840 --> 1:10:09.840 So people don't believe that, but you want to believe 1:10:09.880 --> 1:10:12.200 the comments that I get. I mean, I get these 1:10:12.240 --> 1:10:14.559 trolls on social media that said that I'm making money 1:10:14.880 --> 1:10:17.840 betting against Gilbert every fight the past, the past five fights. 1:10:18.200 --> 1:10:20.320 They're like, I bet on Michael out by Ko. I 1:10:20.439 --> 1:10:22.439 was like, I go to Gilbert's fights. I didn't go 1:10:22.520 --> 1:10:23.960 to this one, but I was like, I went to 1:10:24.040 --> 1:10:26.160 his apex card. I was like, I've lost tens of 1:10:26.200 --> 1:10:29.280 thousands of dollars. I bet Conna when his fucking shoulder 1:10:29.400 --> 1:10:30.640 was popped out and I was the only one to 1:10:30.760 --> 1:10:33.160 know about it. I still bet on him against BSD. 1:10:33.360 --> 1:10:35.559 So like, I'm always gonna bet on my guys, I'm 1:10:35.560 --> 1:10:37.559 not gonna fade them. I'm not gonna, you know, bet 1:10:37.640 --> 1:10:39.280 the other side. That's just ridiculous to me. 1:10:39.680 --> 1:10:42.519 That's loyalty, right, But the loyalty is not going to 1:10:42.560 --> 1:10:45.240 have you fly from South Florida to fucking Winnipeg. MANITOA 1:10:47.840 --> 1:10:49.880 all right, let's get a few picks if we could. 1:10:49.920 --> 1:10:51.560 By the way, do you do a cycle parlay for 1:10:51.640 --> 1:10:52.959 every single card. 1:10:53.280 --> 1:10:57.639 Every card, sometimes two per card, usually one. The problem 1:10:57.720 --> 1:10:59.080 is that you can't do them this early in the 1:10:59.120 --> 1:11:02.400 week just because the prop markets aren't really out yet. 1:11:02.960 --> 1:11:04.680 Maybe in some off shores you get a couple of 1:11:04.760 --> 1:11:06.559 numbers like on like the bed On Lines of the World, 1:11:06.640 --> 1:11:09.200 but uh, you know you're not going to see them 1:11:09.240 --> 1:11:12.120 on like dk FanDuel hard Rock, any of the the 1:11:12.240 --> 1:11:15.479 US books usually to Wednesday or Thursday. I can try 1:11:15.560 --> 1:11:17.439 to still give you like what I'm leaning towards, but. 1:11:18.320 --> 1:11:20.160 Well wait, we'll direct people to your channel. But are 1:11:20.200 --> 1:11:23.280 these all three thousand dollars bets or does the the 1:11:23.400 --> 1:11:24.799 wager change the amount? 1:11:25.160 --> 1:11:27.719 Say it again, are they all three thousand dollars? 1:11:27.760 --> 1:11:28.400 Oh no, Yeah. 1:11:28.479 --> 1:11:31.719 So if it's like if it's a huge long shot, 1:11:31.880 --> 1:11:33.720 like like for example, I hit a one for two 1:11:33.800 --> 1:11:36.400 K to win one hundred and seventeen. That was like 1:11:36.520 --> 1:11:39.479 fifty something to one. But if it's like a fifteen 1:11:39.479 --> 1:11:41.559 to one, I got to raise the bet. My goal 1:11:41.680 --> 1:11:43.680 is always to hit six figures, right, So if it's 1:11:43.680 --> 1:11:45.559 like a fIF if it's like a twenty to one cycle, 1:11:45.600 --> 1:11:47.840 I gotta put five plus k on it. So I'm 1:11:47.880 --> 1:11:50.000 always betting to win over one hundred thousand. That's just 1:11:50.160 --> 1:11:52.719 how I've always done it, so and then cycle partly 1:11:52.800 --> 1:11:54.479 might range from like fifteen to one all the way 1:11:54.520 --> 1:11:56.479 up to one hundred to one was this past week, 1:11:56.680 --> 1:11:58.960 which is probably why every leg missed, But it was 1:11:59.080 --> 1:12:00.800 ninety nine to one on on Gilbert's Car. 1:12:01.560 --> 1:12:04.479 Man, Maddie, go ahead, Sorry, go ahead. 1:12:05.080 --> 1:12:06.960 I was going to ask about something totally different, So 1:12:07.000 --> 1:12:08.320 if you have something related, Joe. 1:12:08.240 --> 1:12:10.200 Oh, I have my calculator on my phone out because 1:12:10.200 --> 1:12:13.000 I'm trying to figure out what the annual commitment would 1:12:13.000 --> 1:12:17.120 be if I wanted to ride. They No, I don't 1:12:17.160 --> 1:12:20.880 necessarily have one hundred thousand dollars for this initiative right now. 1:12:22.000 --> 1:12:24.559 But John three grand was a good average, right, three grand? 1:12:24.640 --> 1:12:26.200 You know you're doing about You got hit one out 1:12:26.240 --> 1:12:27.280 every twenty five or thirty. 1:12:27.320 --> 1:12:27.800 It's not bad. 1:12:27.840 --> 1:12:30.320 You go go along for the ride and starting to 1:12:30.400 --> 1:12:31.320 hit him more often. 1:12:32.200 --> 1:12:33.360 I'm gonna ride this weekend. 1:12:33.640 --> 1:12:36.160 The hard part is when people start tailing after a 1:12:36.280 --> 1:12:39.360 win and they've never tailed before, and then they lose 1:12:39.439 --> 1:12:41.400 two and a half months straight and then they hate me. 1:12:42.120 --> 1:12:43.240 My brother, there's nothing I can do. 1:12:44.040 --> 1:12:47.600 Hey, a smaller bankroll pay attention to individual legs. I 1:12:47.680 --> 1:12:49.599 love tailing individual sure. 1:12:50.120 --> 1:12:52.320 I mean, Jason, how many weeks have I gone two 1:12:52.400 --> 1:12:55.040 and one on the cycle exactly? Oh my god, it's 1:12:55.080 --> 1:12:56.120 it's devastating. 1:12:56.600 --> 1:12:59.200 It's called the psycho parlay for a reason, Maddie. I 1:12:59.240 --> 1:13:01.439 don't know how deep you went down the card, Jenny, No. 1:13:04.120 --> 1:13:09.080 Cycle, so many, so. 1:13:09.200 --> 1:13:11.160 Many people think it's the psycho parlay. 1:13:11.400 --> 1:13:11.839 Okay. 1:13:12.120 --> 1:13:13.559 The cycle is the reference to. 1:13:13.600 --> 1:13:16.120 Baseball where you hit like a batter, had some singles, 1:13:16.160 --> 1:13:18.799 double triple home run, and you go around the bases. 1:13:19.160 --> 1:13:21.240 So that's hilarious. 1:13:21.479 --> 1:13:21.880 I made it. 1:13:22.280 --> 1:13:25.559 I was like, yeah, that makes sense. It's this guy's 1:13:25.600 --> 1:13:31.960 a man, truthful, you can call it. I don't know 1:13:32.040 --> 1:13:34.160 how deep you went down the card, Maddie. But did 1:13:34.240 --> 1:13:38.639 you see the JJ Aldrich fight versus Jamie Lynnhart. Were 1:13:38.680 --> 1:13:41.519 you disappointed with that with that decision, because again a 1:13:41.560 --> 1:13:43.840 lot of people were freaking out about it, and you know, 1:13:44.439 --> 1:13:46.559 my buddy's over a three punch convo. They ended up 1:13:46.600 --> 1:13:49.800 sending robbery insurance. They actually paid out the whole night. 1:13:49.880 --> 1:13:51.280 They thought the decision was so bad. It was the 1:13:51.280 --> 1:13:52.600 first time they've been able to do that, which I 1:13:52.600 --> 1:13:54.720 thought was cool. But what I didn't think it was 1:13:54.920 --> 1:13:56.880 so bad of a decision. 1:13:56.479 --> 1:13:57.519 But what do you think on that? 1:13:57.760 --> 1:14:00.200 So I mixed emotions on it because so I had 1:14:00.280 --> 1:14:03.360 Jamie Lyndhorth by decision. I had a women's cycle parlay 1:14:03.439 --> 1:14:06.960 which didn't hit anyways, but I had Jamie Lynnhorth by 1:14:07.040 --> 1:14:10.439 decision as the first leg. And I'm watching this fight 1:14:10.760 --> 1:14:13.880 and I'm like, okay, j j Auders landing for four 1:14:13.920 --> 1:14:15.880 to six significant strikes in round one, So I was like, 1:14:15.960 --> 1:14:18.160 she come out of won round one, right, right. So 1:14:18.200 --> 1:14:20.400 then I watched I watched the live odds drought every fight. 1:14:21.520 --> 1:14:24.120 I go in the round two, I'm like, round two 1:14:24.200 --> 1:14:25.840 is kind of close. I was like, could be one one, 1:14:25.960 --> 1:14:28.960 it's probably two Jamie. Then round three was close too. 1:14:29.400 --> 1:14:32.439 But I'm watching these live odds and jamielyn Horth is 1:14:32.560 --> 1:14:34.960 minus ten thousand at the end of round three on 1:14:35.040 --> 1:14:36.760 hard rocks. I'm watching because I'm in Florida, so I'm 1:14:36.760 --> 1:14:39.280 watching whatever book is right here with me. I'm on 1:14:39.439 --> 1:14:43.080 all these different apps, prediction markets everywhere, and I'm watching 1:14:43.120 --> 1:14:45.920 the live odds, and but the width is so bad. 1:14:46.000 --> 1:14:49.719 It's like plus two thousand for Audred's minus ten thousand 1:14:49.840 --> 1:14:52.280 for Jamie. But I'm sitting there with my boys and 1:14:52.360 --> 1:14:55.240 I'm like, I'm like, Jamie clearly won that fight in 1:14:55.280 --> 1:14:57.519 my opinion, but I was like, we've seen crazy as shit. 1:14:57.600 --> 1:14:59.439 I swear to god, I almost met the J J 1:14:59.520 --> 1:15:01.920 Orders side at plus two thousand, and I didn't do it. 1:15:02.040 --> 1:15:04.120 Oh but then when the fight, when the fight played, 1:15:04.160 --> 1:15:07.200 when the decisions came out, I was so upset because 1:15:07.200 --> 1:15:09.280 I was like, it could have been an argument three 1:15:09.520 --> 1:15:11.400 or you know, or at least two harm for Jamie. 1:15:11.479 --> 1:15:13.639 I was, you know, but again, that's just what we've 1:15:13.680 --> 1:15:15.599 dealt with. I think there's been worse ones. I think 1:15:15.600 --> 1:15:17.840 everyone so I think it was kind of an overreaction, 1:15:18.360 --> 1:15:20.080 but I do think she won the fight clearly. So 1:15:20.120 --> 1:15:21.800 I don't know what you what your guys' opinion is. 1:15:22.200 --> 1:15:23.720 I'm gonna have to go back and watch it now. 1:15:23.760 --> 1:15:26.439 That is interesting that Three Punch Convo paid out that 1:15:26.560 --> 1:15:28.960 robbery insurance and yet Ken Flow doesn't necessarily think it 1:15:29.040 --> 1:15:31.880 qualifies as a as a robbery, which means that I'm 1:15:31.880 --> 1:15:32.639 gonna it was close. 1:15:33.040 --> 1:15:35.320 Well, go watch it back. Yeah, I saw it exactly 1:15:35.400 --> 1:15:36.040 how Maddie saw it. 1:15:36.080 --> 1:15:38.840 I thought round two was close, like I would have 1:15:38.960 --> 1:15:40.920 liked to see horse throw a little bit more to 1:15:41.040 --> 1:15:42.920 kind of put a little bit more emphasis on the 1:15:43.600 --> 1:15:44.559 on that round for her. 1:15:44.640 --> 1:15:47.840 But and then round three, I thought J J. Aldridge one. 1:15:48.000 --> 1:15:50.519 So it came down to maybe round two for me. 1:15:50.680 --> 1:15:54.280 But it was clear for horth Uh in round one, 1:15:54.479 --> 1:15:56.160 so yeah, crazy, all right? 1:15:56.200 --> 1:15:56.400 Cool? 1:15:56.479 --> 1:15:58.960 I think it was like over ninety percent of verdict 1:15:59.280 --> 1:16:02.599 had it for for Horth but oh wow, it was fine. 1:16:02.840 --> 1:16:06.040 Yeah, that was I the only other thing I had 1:16:06.080 --> 1:16:09.479 in my notes Vicente Luke at the airport with all 1:16:09.560 --> 1:16:12.960 those people to greet Gilbert Burns right when he came 1:16:13.000 --> 1:16:15.679 home from his retirement fight. Find that video on social 1:16:15.720 --> 1:16:17.720 media if you haven't seen it already. All right, I 1:16:17.720 --> 1:16:19.200 want to get a couple of picks from you guys. 1:16:19.280 --> 1:16:22.920 I fights for UFC Fight Night, Sterling versus Zalal this weekend. 1:16:23.439 --> 1:16:28.160 Ray Longo absolutely bullish on al jaminer Sterling's chances. Maddie, 1:16:28.200 --> 1:16:31.040 he is the plus one forty underdog seventh rank contender, 1:16:31.160 --> 1:16:33.599 use of Zalal is the favorite who is minus won 1:16:33.720 --> 1:16:37.080 sixty six. Little background for you, so Sterling two and 1:16:37.200 --> 1:16:39.720 one since moving up to featherweight. The Brian Ortega win 1:16:39.800 --> 1:16:41.800 actually was contested at a catchweight of one hundred and 1:16:41.840 --> 1:16:45.679 fifty three pounds and Yusuf Zalal's story well documented outside 1:16:45.720 --> 1:16:48.680 the UFC. He was cut comes back after a year 1:16:48.720 --> 1:16:51.000 and a half since returning in twenty twenty four, just 1:16:51.120 --> 1:16:55.320 on fire five straight UFC wins, eight straight wins overall. Maddie, 1:16:55.400 --> 1:16:58.560 will this factor into your gambling this weekend? And do 1:16:58.640 --> 1:17:00.439 you have a strong conviction on the man events? 1:17:00.760 --> 1:17:03.120 Yeah? I mean so I was listening to to way 1:17:03.200 --> 1:17:04.920 longer at the end when I when I jumped on here. 1:17:05.160 --> 1:17:07.240 I definitely don't think Ali is gonna come back down 1:17:07.320 --> 1:17:10.080 to a pick him. But he was minus one fifty 1:17:10.200 --> 1:17:12.800 and he's he's up to plus one forty right now, 1:17:13.240 --> 1:17:15.280 So so now's the time to take him if you 1:17:15.400 --> 1:17:18.679 like Aljamin Sterling, because it could to be fair by Saturday, 1:17:18.680 --> 1:17:21.080 it could dip down back a little bit. I don't 1:17:21.120 --> 1:17:22.519 know that I will. I think we'll probably see it 1:17:22.560 --> 1:17:26.920 close around plus one forty range, But it just depends, 1:17:27.040 --> 1:17:28.600 like what angle you like on this fight? Do you 1:17:28.720 --> 1:17:31.439 like the striking volume and the experience of al Jo 1:17:32.560 --> 1:17:34.600 or do you like like the defense has allow he 1:17:34.680 --> 1:17:37.559 is very good striking defense and then actually is allowed 1:17:38.080 --> 1:17:41.160 he he he more than two x's is the submission 1:17:41.200 --> 1:17:43.320 attempts at Algie every fight, which I thought was interesting, 1:17:43.760 --> 1:17:46.479 you know Aljoe, And obviously it's a smaller sample size, 1:17:46.520 --> 1:17:49.880 but I actually cashed on is allowed by submission over 1:17:50.000 --> 1:17:52.160 Josh Emma in his last fight, and it paid nice. 1:17:53.040 --> 1:17:55.599 I was shocked how how quick and easy he made 1:17:55.640 --> 1:17:58.479 that look. I mean, it was unbelievable. But it's a 1:17:58.600 --> 1:18:00.439 I think it's a very close fight. I think that 1:18:00.600 --> 1:18:03.000 this is a fight that if you want to play 1:18:03.040 --> 1:18:05.760 a prop on, I would look the Aljamain decision route 1:18:06.400 --> 1:18:09.439 because he is the higher striking valume he has. You know, 1:18:09.560 --> 1:18:13.000 he has the five round experience, he has the gas tank. 1:18:13.080 --> 1:18:15.200 I think in forty five, I think that he could 1:18:15.200 --> 1:18:18.080 win this fight on the scorecards. I'm guessing you're gonna 1:18:18.120 --> 1:18:21.960 get close to plus two to fifty range on that decision, prop. 1:18:22.040 --> 1:18:25.080 So I kind of like that. As far as a 1:18:25.120 --> 1:18:27.880 straight pick them, I would probably go as allowed. But 1:18:27.960 --> 1:18:31.040 it's so close it really is. I'm more of a 1:18:31.080 --> 1:18:33.240 prop better. I don't really I don't love the bet 1:18:33.320 --> 1:18:36.960 money lines, but I think it's a fifty to fifty fight, 1:18:37.080 --> 1:18:38.559 so I guess you have to side with Aldro at 1:18:38.600 --> 1:18:40.280 the current price, and then I do like him on 1:18:40.320 --> 1:18:41.759 the decision prop for sure. 1:18:42.560 --> 1:18:45.639 Well laid out as usual, Yusuf Zilal has never been 1:18:45.720 --> 1:18:48.680 finished as an MMA pro. Kenny for a while he 1:18:48.840 --> 1:18:51.240 was in a lot of close fights, but not anymore. 1:18:51.360 --> 1:18:53.519 Eighth straight wins, seven of those have been finishes and 1:18:53.840 --> 1:18:56.720 as much momentum as al Joe has, I think in 1:18:56.880 --> 1:18:59.800 his own mind sometimes the issue is just you run 1:18:59.880 --> 1:19:03.760 in to younger, fresher opponent who is just set in 1:19:03.800 --> 1:19:07.080 the world on fire. Zilal minus one sixty six Aljo 1:19:07.120 --> 1:19:08.479 plus one forty camp flow your. 1:19:08.400 --> 1:19:11.519 Thoughts, Yeah, I think that it is a very close fight, 1:19:12.360 --> 1:19:15.120 and Zilal is a guy that has really been shining 1:19:15.200 --> 1:19:18.040 on a lot of these fight nights and doing extremely well. 1:19:18.320 --> 1:19:21.479 I think he's facing, without a doubt, the toughest competition 1:19:21.600 --> 1:19:24.320 of his career. Al Jo has a ton of experience, 1:19:24.360 --> 1:19:28.920 and he's got a style where positionally al Jo does 1:19:28.960 --> 1:19:31.960 a great job of nullifying a lot of your offense, 1:19:33.000 --> 1:19:35.120 and he's an awkward guy to fight on the feet 1:19:35.160 --> 1:19:37.800 as well. And the fact that Ray's talking about al 1:19:37.880 --> 1:19:41.599 Jo working on his striking leading up to this fight, 1:19:41.680 --> 1:19:43.320 I think is a good sign. I don't think that 1:19:43.400 --> 1:19:45.880 should be the primary way that he approaches this fight 1:19:45.880 --> 1:19:48.360 against the law. I think he still should lean on 1:19:48.520 --> 1:19:51.360 his grappling and his position to get that top position 1:19:52.120 --> 1:19:54.040 and slows the lall down. See if he can take 1:19:54.080 --> 1:19:56.320 it to the later rounds where maybe he can get 1:19:56.360 --> 1:19:58.920 a submission on Zola himself. But you know, as Maddie 1:19:59.000 --> 1:20:01.200 was talking about, you know, always no slouch on the 1:20:01.240 --> 1:20:01.760 ground either. 1:20:02.240 --> 1:20:03.120 He's very capable. 1:20:03.160 --> 1:20:06.320 He's very dangerous both on the feed and on the ground. 1:20:06.400 --> 1:20:10.000 But because it's a close fight and because of the odds, I. 1:20:10.160 --> 1:20:13.639 Like Aljo here as well, Jay, both of these guys 1:20:13.680 --> 1:20:15.720 see some value on the Aljamin Sterling side. I know 1:20:15.800 --> 1:20:18.160 you need to make a deposit if you're gonna be 1:20:18.760 --> 1:20:21.240 betting on this this weekend, But rab you know, hard 1:20:21.280 --> 1:20:23.840 drop fat doesn't allow me a wager on my cellar telling. 1:20:25.479 --> 1:20:27.360 But I will say Zillala is five to ten, and 1:20:27.439 --> 1:20:30.280 I think he really is, and al Jo is there 1:20:30.360 --> 1:20:32.160 is They are going to look different in terms of 1:20:32.200 --> 1:20:34.040 their size. But I do feel like Aljo sort of 1:20:34.080 --> 1:20:35.760 playing with house money here. He achieved what he did 1:20:35.760 --> 1:20:37.840 in the bantamweight division. I think we'd all love to 1:20:37.880 --> 1:20:39.840 see him potentially make a run at forty five. I 1:20:39.880 --> 1:20:42.360 think the winner of this fight is gonna make some 1:20:42.520 --> 1:20:44.880 noise and have a really big fight coming up next. 1:20:45.120 --> 1:20:47.559 I wouldn't pick against Aljo because I do consider him 1:20:47.560 --> 1:20:49.640 a friend to some extent, and I like him very much, 1:20:49.680 --> 1:20:51.680 and I like that plus number by his name, and 1:20:51.800 --> 1:20:53.479 I just also think, you know, you think about that 1:20:53.560 --> 1:20:55.800 what we talked about earlier with Tiporia and the mental game. 1:20:56.120 --> 1:20:58.960 Aljamain Sterling I think is so mentally forged to compete 1:20:59.000 --> 1:21:01.439 in the UFC at this stage. That is a hard 1:21:01.479 --> 1:21:05.559 guy to bet against for me. But I think Zillal 1:21:05.680 --> 1:21:07.600 is a problem, and I tend to go with the 1:21:07.680 --> 1:21:11.000 younger fighter if forced to choose in these sort of matchups. 1:21:12.280 --> 1:21:14.439 I want to get some thoughts on the Comaine event quickly, 1:21:14.560 --> 1:21:17.040 pretty lean fight car. We got Alexander Hernandez and Rotha 1:21:17.080 --> 1:21:19.680 Garcia fighting in the future belt. We'll talk to Alexander 1:21:19.760 --> 1:21:22.360 coming up here in about five minutes. But Comine Event 1:21:22.400 --> 1:21:26.040 Maddie at bantamweight. Shout out to Brian Petrie, Big norm 1:21:26.200 --> 1:21:29.160 third rank, Norma Dumont minus two oh five, number eleven, 1:21:29.240 --> 1:21:32.040 Joscelyn Edwards plus one seventy and we talked about this 1:21:32.080 --> 1:21:32.799 a little bit earlier. 1:21:32.880 --> 1:21:34.519 Right but right place, right time. 1:21:35.160 --> 1:21:38.280 Life is about timing, and for Norma Dumont, the timing 1:21:38.360 --> 1:21:43.439 of Amanda Neunez's return and Kayla Harrison's next surgery couldn't 1:21:43.479 --> 1:21:45.599 be worse for her. She's won six in a row. 1:21:46.000 --> 1:21:48.400 It was gonna be Jana Santos this weekend. Instead it 1:21:48.439 --> 1:21:52.200 will be the shrieking Panamanian Joscelyn Edwards, who has won 1:21:52.280 --> 1:21:54.760 her last four Kenny start us off on the comain event. 1:21:54.800 --> 1:21:55.920 Any strong lean either way? 1:21:57.040 --> 1:21:59.280 Yeah, you know, I like Norma. Uh you know, I 1:21:59.560 --> 1:22:03.759 think big norm I think she's the better striker overall. 1:22:03.800 --> 1:22:07.280 I think she's more consistent, and I think, you know, 1:22:07.479 --> 1:22:10.519 just her comfort level in the octagon now is just 1:22:10.680 --> 1:22:13.320 way different than we saw, you know, a few years ago. 1:22:13.520 --> 1:22:15.760 So I like the way she mixes everything up. I 1:22:15.800 --> 1:22:18.160 think she's more versatile as a striker. I think she's 1:22:18.240 --> 1:22:20.880 harder to get a read on. Justlyin Edwards has some 1:22:20.920 --> 1:22:23.040 momentum heading into this one as well. I think she's 1:22:23.320 --> 1:22:25.760 she's pretty dangerous. But I think also where Norma can 1:22:25.800 --> 1:22:28.760 win this fight is taking it to the ground. So 1:22:29.200 --> 1:22:31.880 give me Big norm Maddie. 1:22:32.400 --> 1:22:33.920 I know you prepared the comin event. 1:22:33.960 --> 1:22:36.320 What do you think I'm with Kenny here. I love 1:22:36.439 --> 1:22:40.080 norm I love her this matchup the defense and wrestling here, 1:22:40.080 --> 1:22:41.600 I think it'd be the two biggest things. She's a 1:22:41.640 --> 1:22:45.800 fifty six percent takedown accuracy that's compared to Joscelyn edwards 1:22:45.880 --> 1:22:49.800 forty percent, and I just think that Norma Dumont's also 1:22:49.840 --> 1:22:53.080 fought the tougher competition and then the striking defense a 1:22:53.160 --> 1:22:56.320 fifteen percent difference. Jocelyn throws a little bit more, but 1:22:56.439 --> 1:22:59.840 Norma dumont sixty five percent striking defense, which is a 1:23:00.160 --> 1:23:03.400 at bandon weight compared to Jocelyn's fifty percent. I think 1:23:03.479 --> 1:23:06.840 she's honestly better everywhere. You can say Joscelyn Edwards might 1:23:06.880 --> 1:23:09.120 have the better finishing up side, but is that more 1:23:09.120 --> 1:23:12.839 of a recency biased thing just facing the lower level competition. 1:23:13.000 --> 1:23:15.160 I think she's won three or four fights in a 1:23:15.280 --> 1:23:19.919 row by stoppage. I love Norma Dumont. She's never been submitted, 1:23:20.680 --> 1:23:22.200 and I think you pair that with a sixty five 1:23:22.240 --> 1:23:24.680 percent striking defense, I don't think Joscelyn Edwards has much 1:23:24.680 --> 1:23:26.639 of a chance of finishing her, and then I think 1:23:26.680 --> 1:23:29.960 she can get more takedowns and she can be safer defensively, 1:23:30.080 --> 1:23:32.160 So I think it's a twenty nine to twenty eighth 1:23:32.200 --> 1:23:34.960 decision easily, and I think the price warrants it. I 1:23:35.000 --> 1:23:36.679 think she wins seven or eight out of ten times 1:23:36.840 --> 1:23:39.439 easily this fight. So I'm a good Norman Dumont, one 1:23:39.479 --> 1:23:41.519 of my better, one of my favorite favorites on the 1:23:41.560 --> 1:23:42.160 card for sure. 1:23:42.680 --> 1:23:45.479 Well, if she makes it seven in a row, I 1:23:45.560 --> 1:23:48.280 don't know. If you wait and see what happens. Kayla 1:23:48.320 --> 1:23:50.759 Harrison has sort of hinted that her fight against Amanda Noonz, 1:23:50.840 --> 1:23:53.240 whenever it happens, is going to be her last at 1:23:53.320 --> 1:23:56.040 thirty five. So maybe if you're big norm, you just 1:23:56.160 --> 1:23:59.040 kind of fucking bide your time and see what happened. 1:23:59.680 --> 1:24:02.720 All right, So let us get your wagers. It is 1:24:02.800 --> 1:24:05.519 time for place your bets. You have one thousand dollars 1:24:05.640 --> 1:24:09.400 to spend. Here we quickly update the results UFC fight 1:24:09.520 --> 1:24:13.719 Night Burns versus melot Ken. Flow put his band on Nalo, 1:24:13.920 --> 1:24:15.720 so it takes him from the black end of the 1:24:16.520 --> 1:24:16.920 the year. 1:24:19.880 --> 1:24:23.000 I feel you're paid on that one. I had the 1:24:23.160 --> 1:24:25.960 under in that fight, but I also had a Nalo 1:24:26.040 --> 1:24:28.640 by sub and man I thought I was about a 1:24:28.680 --> 1:24:30.040 club and sub and then he got countered. 1:24:30.120 --> 1:24:33.439 I was like, yep, all right, so Maddy bets getting 1:24:33.479 --> 1:24:35.240 recognized and saunas around the world. 1:24:35.320 --> 1:24:36.040 These days we have. 1:24:37.560 --> 1:24:41.320 H what do you have for us for UFC Fight 1:24:41.400 --> 1:24:42.639 Night story versus alone? 1:24:43.120 --> 1:24:44.800 So this is hard for me to do this early 1:24:44.880 --> 1:24:48.280 in the week without prop market, But uh, I can 1:24:48.400 --> 1:24:50.240 just go Can I just go all in for the thousands? 1:24:50.520 --> 1:24:50.720 Yes? 1:24:53.479 --> 1:24:55.320 If I want to be safe here, I'm just going 1:24:55.360 --> 1:24:58.280 all in on Norma money line. But I kind of 1:24:58.320 --> 1:24:59.639 want to parlay it with al Joe. 1:25:01.240 --> 1:25:03.519 Why don't you just after your stack? Well, first of all, 1:25:03.560 --> 1:25:06.679 what book is this DraftKings sports book? 1:25:06.720 --> 1:25:08.360 Okay, all right, I'm on the I thought, so I'm 1:25:08.360 --> 1:25:10.040 on the DraftKings app Let me see if there's a 1:25:10.120 --> 1:25:13.760 total in the Algro fight listed, because I can go 1:25:13.880 --> 1:25:16.439 over the total with Norma. I think that's what I'm 1:25:16.479 --> 1:25:16.720 gonna do. 1:25:17.520 --> 1:25:19.479 Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, I didn't see 1:25:19.520 --> 1:25:20.160 them this morning. 1:25:20.200 --> 1:25:23.760 And again that's the inconvenient truth of oh yeah, I'm 1:25:23.800 --> 1:25:26.240 on a Monday, is that we ask our handicappers to 1:25:26.479 --> 1:25:29.840 uh to come with it. Oh, you still get the price, 1:25:29.920 --> 1:25:31.240 you can use it. We'll get it later in the 1:25:31.240 --> 1:25:33.559 week is absolutely fine. I think what the listeners will 1:25:33.600 --> 1:25:36.320 extract is big time conviction on Big Norm. 1:25:36.760 --> 1:25:37.240 Big Norm. 1:25:37.400 --> 1:25:37.600 Let me. 1:25:37.640 --> 1:25:39.320 I'm gonna go for the sake of the show. Let 1:25:39.320 --> 1:25:41.040 me let me go all in one thousand dollars on 1:25:41.400 --> 1:25:42.840 Doumont money line, all. 1:25:42.840 --> 1:25:44.960 Right, and if you change your mind, the show will 1:25:44.960 --> 1:25:49.439 tweet that out can thousand dollars to spend. Right, You're 1:25:49.439 --> 1:25:51.040 wrong from last week, kid, which way you're going. 1:25:51.479 --> 1:25:53.120 I'm a very experienced gambler. 1:25:53.120 --> 1:25:56.439 I'm gonna go with the Psycho parlay here now, yeah, 1:25:57.880 --> 1:26:00.719 I'm with Maddie here. I like both of those bets. 1:26:00.760 --> 1:26:02.920 And I struggled a little bit of how I was 1:26:02.960 --> 1:26:04.840 going to approach this. Was I going to put a 1:26:04.960 --> 1:26:09.280 full band on Al Joe. But you know, I'm now 1:26:09.320 --> 1:26:11.840 I have all this trepidation because that last one with Nallo, 1:26:11.920 --> 1:26:15.559 it just ruined my confidence as a picker. But I'm 1:26:15.600 --> 1:26:19.240 gonna go seven fifty on Norma for the win and 1:26:19.360 --> 1:26:22.920 then put the remaining two fitty on al Jamaine Sterling. 1:26:23.080 --> 1:26:23.439 Let's go. 1:26:24.080 --> 1:26:24.560 I like that. 1:26:24.720 --> 1:26:25.120 I like that. 1:26:25.720 --> 1:26:28.720 You guys better hope that l Pan, Teta, Josh and 1:26:28.920 --> 1:26:31.760 Edwards doesn't become a Panamanian problem this weekend. So, Maddy 1:26:31.840 --> 1:26:35.200 Bets tremendous job building the home of fight brand, and 1:26:35.280 --> 1:26:37.599 your own brand is absolutely flying off the shelves. 1:26:37.600 --> 1:26:39.560 Will you be sitting down with Gilbert Burns at some 1:26:39.600 --> 1:26:40.280 point this week or. 1:26:40.280 --> 1:26:43.479 No, Uh, we'll see. I'm not gonna He's got a 1:26:43.520 --> 1:26:46.000 lot going on. It's probably not. Probably in their future 1:26:46.040 --> 1:26:46.479 though all. 1:26:46.680 --> 1:26:48.559 We look forward to that Show Me the Money podcast 1:26:48.640 --> 1:26:51.200 and uh, we appreciate your contributions in your time. Don't 1:26:51.200 --> 1:26:53.360 be a stranger. We look forward to cycle parlay at 1:26:53.439 --> 1:26:55.840 Matty Betts. Don't forget the second s my man, Thank. 1:26:55.720 --> 1:26:58.679 You bro, Thank you guys. Appreciate you having me Maddy. 1:26:58.760 --> 1:27:01.880 That's with us live on the Antiki for in podcasts. 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How we 1:28:32.560 --> 1:28:32.720 do it? 1:28:33.200 --> 1:28:36.560 You too, Man, I appreciate that you're also a top 1:28:36.600 --> 1:28:39.040 person in the world for me too, Man, I appreciate. 1:28:38.640 --> 1:28:42.320 You well, I think, bro, I really, I mean you 1:28:42.720 --> 1:28:45.560 certainly in our first fighter meeting made an impression, and 1:28:45.600 --> 1:28:47.680 then you went out and had that UFC debut, and 1:28:47.760 --> 1:28:50.120 I think back to twenty eighteen and so a lot 1:28:50.160 --> 1:28:52.479 of us were just sort of waiting to see what 1:28:52.600 --> 1:28:54.959 you would do next. And now I think you're realizing 1:28:54.960 --> 1:28:57.160 a lot of that potential. But you're a seventeen time 1:28:57.320 --> 1:28:59.439 UFC veteran. I don't know if it feels like it's 1:29:00.120 --> 1:29:03.759 been quickly or like does it feel like a blink 1:29:03.840 --> 1:29:05.240 or do you feel like you've been able to live 1:29:05.280 --> 1:29:06.880 in the moment and enjoy some of the fruits along 1:29:06.920 --> 1:29:07.160 the way. 1:29:07.720 --> 1:29:10.080 I mean, it's definitely been a ride. It's for sure. 1:29:10.360 --> 1:29:13.599 It's for sure been a roller coaster. I disassociated from 1:29:13.640 --> 1:29:15.920 the count a while ago once the record stopped going 1:29:15.960 --> 1:29:20.200 my way, so I didn't realize it was the seventeenth number. 1:29:20.200 --> 1:29:21.400 Iknew we're getting close to twenty. 1:29:21.640 --> 1:29:21.840 Wow. 1:29:21.880 --> 1:29:25.759 But no, it's been a It's definitely been a journey. 1:29:25.880 --> 1:29:28.120 It's been a journey, and I've kind of switched through 1:29:28.160 --> 1:29:32.320 different mindsets to sort of reach what I feel like 1:29:32.520 --> 1:29:35.120 is a is a solid state of performance. But yeah, 1:29:35.240 --> 1:29:36.479 kind of been a good groove right now. Man, I 1:29:36.520 --> 1:29:38.600 feel I feel pretty good about things, and at this 1:29:38.720 --> 1:29:41.559 point just really trying to be an artist of sorts, 1:29:41.600 --> 1:29:45.240 you know, impressed myself and myself proud and maybe Gardner 1:29:45.320 --> 1:29:46.479 a fan or two along the way. 1:29:46.920 --> 1:29:47.920 Well, you're doing that, man. 1:29:48.040 --> 1:29:51.240 Four straight wins and you're fighting Rotha Garcia of course 1:29:51.280 --> 1:29:52.080 coming up this weekend. 1:29:52.080 --> 1:29:53.639 You can see it live on Paramount Plus. 1:29:53.760 --> 1:29:56.240 But the biggest fight of your career and a lot 1:29:56.280 --> 1:29:58.840 of respects was to happen in January as you try 1:29:58.880 --> 1:30:01.320 to extend your winning treats against Michael Johnson at UFC 1:30:01.439 --> 1:30:02.120 three twenty four. 1:30:02.400 --> 1:30:03.880 Fight gets canceled day of the event. 1:30:03.960 --> 1:30:06.759 No official reason given by the UFC, there was notable 1:30:06.800 --> 1:30:10.280 betting line movement. Some speculated you were dealing with an injury, 1:30:10.320 --> 1:30:12.160 and I know you have been just dealing with the 1:30:12.200 --> 1:30:15.040 frustration and all of that. Thankfully you get back on 1:30:15.120 --> 1:30:17.360 the proven ground this weekend. But what was it like 1:30:17.439 --> 1:30:19.719 to sort of experience that and have that Michael Johnson 1:30:19.800 --> 1:30:20.559 fight go away? 1:30:21.520 --> 1:30:25.360 Yeah, that was a pretty surreal experience, going from the uh, 1:30:25.439 --> 1:30:28.439 the ceremonial way into being accosted by two FEDS in 1:30:28.479 --> 1:30:31.280 the back and being accused of fixing a money line. 1:30:31.360 --> 1:30:34.280 So that was that was like being caught in a 1:30:34.360 --> 1:30:37.519 daytime drama but you're you're the cinema and uh, and 1:30:37.800 --> 1:30:40.360 it was. It was pretty insane coming off of a 1:30:40.439 --> 1:30:43.439 large weight cut and no hours of sleep to be 1:30:43.800 --> 1:30:46.960 just lundered in a room by two FEDS suited up. 1:30:47.120 --> 1:30:49.800 So that was, uh, yeah, that was fucking nuts. That 1:30:49.880 --> 1:30:52.519 was a nuts experience. And then and then just the 1:30:52.600 --> 1:30:54.800 way I was kind of cast aside. You know, I'm 1:30:54.800 --> 1:31:02.080 definitely working through, working through all the logistics with the 1:31:02.200 --> 1:31:06.320 UFC and fortunately able to get back into the proving 1:31:06.360 --> 1:31:09.240 grounds against Rafah. But yeah, man, that was a headache 1:31:09.240 --> 1:31:12.880 and a half for about five weeks clearing things up 1:31:12.920 --> 1:31:16.200 with the FED and and just just dealing with the 1:31:16.320 --> 1:31:19.000 UFC and just dealing with everyone. You know, that was 1:31:19.320 --> 1:31:21.360 honestly a nightmare. Is a crazy situation to be in, 1:31:21.479 --> 1:31:25.519 and something that I don't think anyone's ever been in, 1:31:25.720 --> 1:31:30.519 you know, certainly certainly not someone being falsely accused of something. 1:31:30.640 --> 1:31:33.559 This is kind of a new territory for all parties involved. 1:31:33.640 --> 1:31:36.360 And so you know, giving a lot of grace to 1:31:37.280 --> 1:31:39.080 you know, the UFC and everyone involved. 1:31:40.120 --> 1:31:42.120 Yeah, that is crazy, man, Alex. 1:31:42.240 --> 1:31:46.000 You talked a little bit about maybe finding that right mindset, uh, 1:31:46.479 --> 1:31:48.280 and maybe finding that right recipe. 1:31:48.400 --> 1:31:50.040 What is that mindset that you're talking about. 1:31:51.680 --> 1:31:55.280 It kind of comes in ways, man, for for a while. 1:31:55.360 --> 1:31:57.880 You know, it's easy, man, it's really easy just beating 1:31:57.920 --> 1:32:01.719 people up, you know. But h but combat to craft, 1:32:02.000 --> 1:32:04.479 you know, for fighting is an art. And at this 1:32:04.720 --> 1:32:06.960 date of my career, there's a lot of ways to 1:32:07.000 --> 1:32:08.519 make money. If I want to make money this way, 1:32:08.600 --> 1:32:12.120 I like to really exude some form of artistry out 1:32:12.160 --> 1:32:14.280 of myself. I really like to show myself as an 1:32:14.320 --> 1:32:18.280 artist and and and impressed myself with a performance. 1:32:18.320 --> 1:32:18.559 And so. 1:32:20.080 --> 1:32:21.920 For for a while there, I was really trying to 1:32:21.920 --> 1:32:26.120 adopt this mindset of, as you know, and usefully I 1:32:26.160 --> 1:32:32.519 adopted this mindset of just detaching myself from expectations, outcome, 1:32:33.840 --> 1:32:41.519 anything you know, materials, just any any positive acclamation or 1:32:41.520 --> 1:32:43.920 anything that could come from the fight to trying to 1:32:44.000 --> 1:32:48.559 remove myself from it and in doing so not really stressing, 1:32:49.080 --> 1:32:52.080 you know, any of the rewards of winning, you know, 1:32:52.160 --> 1:32:53.519 and trying to take the pressure off of that and 1:32:53.600 --> 1:32:56.040 just controlling what I could control, which is just you know, 1:32:56.200 --> 1:32:58.360 my performance and what I what I'm able to do 1:32:58.439 --> 1:33:01.400 inside the cage. And that really kind of helped clear 1:33:01.479 --> 1:33:05.720 my mind. Just that attitude of detachment. I really like, 1:33:05.840 --> 1:33:08.599 I really exemplify that in the Hooper fight. I really 1:33:08.680 --> 1:33:11.160 felt free and then kind of carried that over into 1:33:11.200 --> 1:33:15.080 the Ferrara and going back to back fights just I 1:33:15.120 --> 1:33:16.880 think put a lot of stress on my nervous system 1:33:16.920 --> 1:33:20.160 and my neck. I've been dealing with some disc issues 1:33:20.240 --> 1:33:24.160 from like the Hullabo fight over and so I didn't 1:33:24.200 --> 1:33:26.040 I didn't have a left arm in the Ferrari fight 1:33:26.240 --> 1:33:27.800 on if you guess, I was swinging pretty much all 1:33:27.920 --> 1:33:30.040 right hands the whole fight, and so I was really 1:33:30.080 --> 1:33:32.040 excited when the Johnson fight, it was the healthiest I'd 1:33:32.040 --> 1:33:35.600 ever been. There's all these false rumor billing about me 1:33:35.680 --> 1:33:38.080 being hurt. I was never injured. I never had any injury. 1:33:38.120 --> 1:33:41.160 I was actually like in the best form I'd ever 1:33:41.240 --> 1:33:45.280 been in. And so again kind of losing that, you 1:33:45.360 --> 1:33:47.880 had to take a second to reset yourself because that 1:33:48.120 --> 1:33:50.880 was like an eight or nine week camp, and then 1:33:50.960 --> 1:33:53.559 we had five weeks of just terror and then got 1:33:53.600 --> 1:33:56.559 into about a six week camp with Rafa. So needed 1:33:56.560 --> 1:33:58.840 to find moments to completely reset yourself and get out 1:33:58.840 --> 1:34:00.680 of the fight or flight modes. Way I could just 1:34:00.800 --> 1:34:04.280 enjoy it, you know, and be present for this fight 1:34:05.720 --> 1:34:07.600 and really just keep myself healthy and tuned up too. 1:34:07.640 --> 1:34:09.120 I didn't want to lose all that work I put 1:34:09.160 --> 1:34:10.800 it in. So I feel like we did a pretty 1:34:10.800 --> 1:34:13.559 good job of that, just kind of filling some downtime, 1:34:14.080 --> 1:34:16.479 reving back up and then putting together a real Chris 1:34:16.600 --> 1:34:17.479 game plan for this guy. 1:34:18.840 --> 1:34:20.439 You know, it's hard to get to the big show 1:34:20.520 --> 1:34:23.120 that is the UFC and stay there and just time 1:34:23.680 --> 1:34:26.679 can things can happen really quickly, like fast forward to rewind, 1:34:26.760 --> 1:34:28.519 I should say two years ago you lose the split 1:34:28.560 --> 1:34:31.679 to Damon Jackson. That's two years ago, and everything sort 1:34:31.680 --> 1:34:34.439 of changed in terms of your picture right now with 1:34:34.560 --> 1:34:38.120 four straight wins, and ultimately, I guess I'm curious back 1:34:38.200 --> 1:34:41.760 then two years ago, was that a low point or 1:34:41.840 --> 1:34:44.880 were you in a good mental space already by that time. 1:34:46.720 --> 1:34:48.760 I would say that was the lowest of points. That 1:34:48.800 --> 1:34:51.960 would be, that would be the bellow of points right there, 1:34:52.040 --> 1:34:58.280 That was the lowest. I felt like I just didn't 1:34:59.680 --> 1:35:02.600 I didn't believe in my my group were superiors. I 1:35:02.720 --> 1:35:07.200 was kind of having a rough spell at home and uh, 1:35:07.800 --> 1:35:09.680 and yeah, I was just kind of spiraling out. And 1:35:09.920 --> 1:35:11.639 so I don't I don't know if no matter who 1:35:11.640 --> 1:35:13.600 you put in front of me, I was probably going to, 1:35:15.560 --> 1:35:19.680 you know, butcher that that performance and uh, definitely has 1:35:19.680 --> 1:35:21.559 some good moments in there, just didn't really put together 1:35:21.600 --> 1:35:27.680 too great and and made some pretty radical adjustments there afterwards. 1:35:28.000 --> 1:35:30.280 Took a couple of months of thinking, you know, that 1:35:30.439 --> 1:35:32.599 might that might have been the straw that that broke, 1:35:33.560 --> 1:35:36.679 that just fucking broke my back in half, and maybe 1:35:36.840 --> 1:35:40.360 maybe it's time to I don't know, become a finance 1:35:40.439 --> 1:35:46.479 bro or some other whack aspositional life. And it took 1:35:46.560 --> 1:35:52.280 a moment, by the grace of the sweet gods, Yeah, 1:35:52.320 --> 1:35:54.800 the golden gods of Brazil. I've had like a two 1:35:54.840 --> 1:35:58.519 week stint in Rio, uh, following Vince Bachelle for a fight, 1:35:58.640 --> 1:36:01.080 and stayed out there, yeah, with some friends and Brandon 1:36:01.520 --> 1:36:07.000 and uh truly got it. The met the saving grace 1:36:07.080 --> 1:36:09.200 of Riodajian era. There's a lot of religion in that water, 1:36:09.280 --> 1:36:11.280 I swear. And so I came back home a little 1:36:11.320 --> 1:36:16.160 bit reinvigorated, and uh, we create our own team, me 1:36:16.360 --> 1:36:21.479 Brandon and Clay Monts and and yeah, we we gathered 1:36:21.520 --> 1:36:25.560 this new crew and and we just started going to 1:36:25.640 --> 1:36:28.280 work and just trying to find enthusiasm again. Really was it. 1:36:28.760 --> 1:36:30.840 I was kind of on the on the fence even 1:36:30.920 --> 1:36:33.760 with it, but just how to find a way to 1:36:33.840 --> 1:36:37.200 get excited about training again, and just uh the vitality 1:36:37.240 --> 1:36:41.360 and the new group and Clay being such an obsessed 1:36:41.360 --> 1:36:45.400 little wizard. It's like weaponizing autism with him. And so we, 1:36:45.720 --> 1:36:49.080 uh we went to work on some pretty cool directions 1:36:49.120 --> 1:36:52.400 and just got excited again about about training. And man, 1:36:52.400 --> 1:36:54.000 if you can get excited about what you're doing and 1:36:54.040 --> 1:36:57.160 you kind of find a stimulus and in uh in 1:36:57.280 --> 1:36:59.760 the programming, you know, just in and feel like you're 1:36:59.800 --> 1:37:01.680 learning something new. If you can learn something new, it 1:37:01.720 --> 1:37:04.080 gets you excited. And so then I just started to 1:37:04.320 --> 1:37:06.640 feel myself again. I was like I could really I 1:37:06.680 --> 1:37:08.800 could go for a quick performance. And so we were 1:37:08.840 --> 1:37:11.640 fortunate to roll into a short notice against Hubbard and 1:37:12.160 --> 1:37:13.519 that that's a lot of times when I can shine 1:37:13.520 --> 1:37:15.720 and really find a reset. Is just feeling good, feeling good, 1:37:15.800 --> 1:37:18.439 go and and I think that's kind of like the 1:37:18.720 --> 1:37:20.560 most ideal way for a guy to get back in 1:37:20.920 --> 1:37:23.720 in the groove is to uh is to kind of 1:37:23.800 --> 1:37:26.400 just find hiss, uh, find his mojo and then go 1:37:27.040 --> 1:37:29.840 pull up on a short notice and right, yeah, and 1:37:30.439 --> 1:37:32.519 put it to the test. And that's that's really what 1:37:32.600 --> 1:37:34.880 we did. And then yeah, just start to find a 1:37:34.920 --> 1:37:39.000 real groove. We got real strategic and and just uh 1:37:39.479 --> 1:37:41.400 really start to believe in in the process and the 1:37:41.439 --> 1:37:43.320 people around me. And that was the biggest deal. I 1:37:43.360 --> 1:37:46.760 felt like really spinning our wheels for a couple of 1:37:46.840 --> 1:37:52.040 years there and and not really getting maybe the direction 1:37:52.200 --> 1:37:54.840 I needed. And yeah, and so it's kind of just 1:37:54.960 --> 1:37:56.800 hitting my head against a wall for a while there, 1:37:56.840 --> 1:38:00.479 and I try the one forty five cut back to 1:38:00.560 --> 1:38:02.720 fifty five, but after I saw forty five is like 1:38:02.720 --> 1:38:04.600 a man, I can do it, And so spent a 1:38:04.640 --> 1:38:08.240 little too much energy just making that effort, and eventually 1:38:08.360 --> 1:38:09.760 just as like, fuck it, man, I'm monthing nice. So 1:38:09.800 --> 1:38:11.200 I'm gonna go out. I'm gonna go out at least 1:38:11.240 --> 1:38:13.360 with a fuller belly, And so went back up to 1:38:13.400 --> 1:38:16.000 fifty five and really started to enjoy myself again. 1:38:16.200 --> 1:38:19.720 You know, San Antonio, Texas is Alexander Hernandez with us 1:38:19.760 --> 1:38:22.559 live on the Anakin Flooring Podcast. Yeah, definitely something special 1:38:22.600 --> 1:38:25.519 that you and Brandon and Clay Matza have created. I 1:38:25.680 --> 1:38:27.720 do want to ask you about Rafa Garcia before we 1:38:27.800 --> 1:38:29.080 get you on out of here. But bro, one thing 1:38:29.120 --> 1:38:31.360 I hadn't thought about when it came to your circumstances 1:38:31.400 --> 1:38:34.160 at UFC three twenty four. It's one thing to get 1:38:34.280 --> 1:38:36.640 cornered by the Feds in any walk of life, But 1:38:36.760 --> 1:38:42.840 after finishing a fucking weight cut right and then rehirating right, Kenny, 1:38:42.920 --> 1:38:48.160 I know, I'm right like nuts, dude. So respect for 1:38:48.360 --> 1:38:51.320 navigating that and forgiving all parties involved grace when you 1:38:51.400 --> 1:38:55.280 were falsely accused. Rafa's got momentum right, like most people 1:38:55.360 --> 1:38:57.640 see you right now, maybe nineteen or twenty in the 1:38:57.720 --> 1:39:00.680 world getting close to the top fifteen. I guess that's 1:39:00.760 --> 1:39:03.919 neither here nor there. But Rapa Garcia has got momentum. 1:39:03.960 --> 1:39:05.680 He's won two in a row since the loss to 1:39:05.720 --> 1:39:08.240 Grant Dawson. What what are your expectations of what do 1:39:08.240 --> 1:39:09.360 you making the matchup this weekend? 1:39:11.160 --> 1:39:13.160 I expect to be taller than him, and I usually 1:39:13.160 --> 1:39:18.840 don't fear to say that. Yeah you don't, I'm big dog. 1:39:18.960 --> 1:39:22.920 You know, I'm pretty excited about that pick up fucking 1:39:23.000 --> 1:39:25.040 me up the middle, so you better watch his job. 1:39:27.640 --> 1:39:30.679 And that's pretty muchef a joke and I pulled away 1:39:30.720 --> 1:39:35.439 as a really no, I think, uh, that's pretty Uh, 1:39:35.800 --> 1:39:38.280 that's pretty exciting stuff right there. I normally don't get 1:39:38.479 --> 1:39:42.240 get a high advantage on a fellow and uh, and 1:39:42.400 --> 1:39:44.000 I just expect to do my thing. You know, he's 1:39:44.000 --> 1:39:46.000 a real tough this guy. He's you know, he's a 1:39:46.160 --> 1:39:47.479 he's a vent at this point, and he's on a 1:39:47.560 --> 1:39:51.280 nice little role himself. And so, uh, that's exciting. I'm 1:39:51.280 --> 1:39:54.320 glad to be fighting guys with good momentum. And and 1:39:54.600 --> 1:39:58.599 I man, I just have uh, I just have true 1:39:59.160 --> 1:40:05.400 confidence and myself. You know, Uh, I'm callous. I know, 1:40:07.120 --> 1:40:08.720 I know where I'm out in the game. I know 1:40:08.840 --> 1:40:11.120 myself and despite anything, I know I'm gonna perform and 1:40:11.160 --> 1:40:13.000 show up and and again. Really, I just want to 1:40:13.000 --> 1:40:14.680 make an example. You know, have my health and I 1:40:14.720 --> 1:40:16.320 want to put on a performance I'm super proud of. 1:40:16.320 --> 1:40:19.320 I want to like, not just like broot my way 1:40:19.400 --> 1:40:20.960 through it, but man, put on a put on a 1:40:21.000 --> 1:40:24.560 pretty display if I can, so hopefully hopefully put on 1:40:24.600 --> 1:40:28.479 a pretty sweet performance. Get a nice under k bonus 1:40:28.520 --> 1:40:29.160 and drop the mic. 1:40:29.880 --> 1:40:32.200 There's gonna be a lot of eyeballs on Alexander Hernandez 1:40:32.240 --> 1:40:32.759 this weekend. 1:40:32.840 --> 1:40:34.840 You can see it live on Paramount Plus. Yeah. 1:40:34.840 --> 1:40:35.960 I used to love when they would have me do 1:40:36.000 --> 1:40:38.400 the staredowns or post fight interviews for the fly weights. 1:40:38.439 --> 1:40:40.160 I'd been like, all right, we're here with your winner 1:40:40.240 --> 1:40:43.240 down too. 1:40:43.400 --> 1:40:45.360 I mean not all the fly weights are built like 1:40:45.439 --> 1:40:46.720 Brandon rod Dog Roy Ball. 1:40:46.800 --> 1:40:48.320 You know you gotta get it when you can. 1:40:48.439 --> 1:40:50.320 Man, Death, Hey, my man, thank you for the time. 1:40:50.400 --> 1:40:52.360 We'll be watching this weekend. Man, have a great friend, 1:40:52.680 --> 1:40:57.000 brother Don Chenko. Alexander Hernandez with us live on the 1:40:57.040 --> 1:41:01.920 Anakin Florian podcast. Really good dude, and uh, when you're healthy? 1:41:02.120 --> 1:41:02.240 Right? 1:41:02.880 --> 1:41:06.080 I ran into him at a future UFC Live event 1:41:06.200 --> 1:41:09.519 after UFC three twenty four, and he said of his health, 1:41:09.800 --> 1:41:11.920 I almost feel like now I should be texting Hunter 1:41:12.000 --> 1:41:14.640 Campbell every day, you know, as I'm working out, just 1:41:14.720 --> 1:41:16.719 to make sure that the UFC knows that my health 1:41:16.800 --> 1:41:18.960 is optimal. Because when things all of a sudden become 1:41:19.040 --> 1:41:22.519 open to interpretation and you have no idea why a 1:41:22.600 --> 1:41:25.280 bunch of money is coming in on your opponent because 1:41:25.280 --> 1:41:27.200 you're rumored to be injured, he just found himself in 1:41:27.240 --> 1:41:31.559 a crazy circumstance. So all right, hey, real quick, before 1:41:31.560 --> 1:41:33.160 we get out of I know Kenny's gonna go compete, 1:41:35.240 --> 1:41:37.360 all right, but I got got Kenny one thing. No, 1:41:37.560 --> 1:41:40.160 I just forgive me John, you can cut this off anytime. 1:41:40.200 --> 1:41:41.880 But in terms of the George Saint Pierre stuff, Kenny 1:41:41.920 --> 1:41:44.160 the real rub to me from that was the efficiency 1:41:44.320 --> 1:41:46.599 versus the cardio. And I was privileged enough to work 1:41:46.640 --> 1:41:49.200 with Frank Mehre at Dirty Boxing six and he is 1:41:49.439 --> 1:41:51.240 a very stupid mind. You guys both worked with him 1:41:51.240 --> 1:41:54.040 on MMA Live broadcast other things, and that was sort 1:41:54.080 --> 1:41:56.600 of the takeaway for me. Kenny was the efficiency. And 1:41:56.680 --> 1:41:59.240 so as I'm watching Dirty Boxing, you know, talking about 1:41:59.320 --> 1:42:01.599 gas tank and who has carry Frank Meer is talking 1:42:01.720 --> 1:42:04.240 just about the efficiency of the striking and how much 1:42:04.560 --> 1:42:06.800 of your gas tank you use when you were inefficient. 1:42:06.920 --> 1:42:08.880 So that was sort of the connection for me with 1:42:08.960 --> 1:42:09.920 the GSP stuff. 1:42:09.920 --> 1:42:11.519 That's all absolutely man. 1:42:11.800 --> 1:42:15.000 Yeah, yeah, no, And I do think VO two Max right, 1:42:15.160 --> 1:42:17.760 like you can improve your VO two Max. That's why 1:42:17.800 --> 1:42:20.479 I need to buy an assault bike because even if 1:42:20.560 --> 1:42:22.719 I think I'm in decent shape, my VO two Max 1:42:22.840 --> 1:42:24.320 is straight fucking trash. 1:42:24.680 --> 1:42:25.000 All right. 1:42:25.160 --> 1:42:30.840 So we've done this before, Homophyte repacks. 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Let's go. 1:43:40.600 --> 1:43:44.920 And I'm going to confirm my purchase, and let's just 1:43:45.040 --> 1:43:48.240 not draw Dan Murgliata. Yes, I'm ready. We're just trying. 1:43:48.320 --> 1:43:53.360 No refs, right, No Rammies, no refs, no Rammies, no refs. 1:44:00.880 --> 1:44:06.439 Grant Dawson PSA ten. Oh, we like the PSA ten. 1:44:07.080 --> 1:44:12.040 That's a pretty spectacular Grand Dawson card. We are gonna 1:44:12.160 --> 1:44:14.320 We're gonna send it back for fifty four thirty eight. 1:44:14.360 --> 1:44:18.120 We're gonna live to buy another pack. We love you Grant, 1:44:19.720 --> 1:44:23.640 But we're gonna sell Grant Dawson back, all right, and 1:44:23.800 --> 1:44:25.840 I believe I'm gonna get to open one more before 1:44:25.880 --> 1:44:27.400 we swing the pendulum to Kenny Florian. 1:44:27.479 --> 1:44:28.080 Is that we're gonna do. 1:44:28.120 --> 1:44:32.400 All right, Let's go all right, nobody needs to know, 1:44:32.520 --> 1:44:34.960 nobody gets hurt. Oh look at that balance? What why 1:44:35.000 --> 1:44:36.000 do my balance go to zero? 1:44:37.520 --> 1:44:42.200 All right, here we go. I've sold back my grand 1:44:42.280 --> 1:44:44.719 Dawson card. Oh I miss that sound. 1:44:48.400 --> 1:44:52.519 I miss that sound of the reveal Cody Mine all 1:44:52.720 --> 1:44:57.400 Fire twenty twenty two, Panini Prism, UFC Blue. 1:44:57.760 --> 1:44:59.760 Hello, hold on to pretty good car. 1:45:00.080 --> 1:45:02.400 Gonna hold onto that, but a fur might become a 1:45:02.520 --> 1:45:06.160 UFC champion, So yeah, to hold on to the A 1:45:06.439 --> 1:45:09.920 four for now. And now Kenny Florian is going to 1:45:09.960 --> 1:45:13.400 take the floor and let's see what we got here, 1:45:15.640 --> 1:45:18.400 and Cody is gonna sign you in. So it just 1:45:18.479 --> 1:45:20.200 takes a minute here. I've also asked him to bring 1:45:20.280 --> 1:45:23.320 back the chime fresh off of Red Eye flow. I 1:45:23.400 --> 1:45:25.600 think you got some good juice flowing here. You may 1:45:25.640 --> 1:45:26.280 get a good cut. 1:45:27.160 --> 1:45:29.800 Let's see what we got here. I'm with John, No, 1:45:30.080 --> 1:45:32.240 no referees. I don't need any of that noise. 1:45:32.439 --> 1:45:36.080 So I have gotten back into cards. Kenny, go ahead, 1:45:37.880 --> 1:45:39.880 see there we go. 1:45:40.160 --> 1:45:46.479 No wammies, no wammies, no refs. We love the big 1:45:46.640 --> 1:45:47.120 tan though. 1:45:47.840 --> 1:45:48.960 Yeah, here's the sound. 1:45:50.160 --> 1:45:55.040 Yeah, I like it. 1:45:56.760 --> 1:45:59.719 What we got, what I can't read without my belief 1:46:00.160 --> 1:46:02.400 is Magoula. It's a p s A ten. 1:46:03.439 --> 1:46:07.720 Pretty good buy back offer, right, you spend sixty dollars right, 1:46:07.800 --> 1:46:10.000 they're saying fair market value is sixty three. You can 1:46:10.040 --> 1:46:11.920 sell it back right now for ninety percent by back 1:46:11.960 --> 1:46:14.400 fifty six dollars and ninety one cents. I'm gonna sell 1:46:14.520 --> 1:46:22.120 is respect with respect, with respect, all right, your funds 1:46:22.120 --> 1:46:23.160 are already in your wallet. 1:46:23.200 --> 1:46:24.240 I mean, that's how this works. 1:46:24.280 --> 1:46:27.400 And after the show, spend another hour on this app 1:46:27.479 --> 1:46:30.800 trying to reel in a big one. One more home 1:46:30.880 --> 1:46:33.720 of fight mm a repack for Kenny Florian before we 1:46:33.760 --> 1:46:34.400 get on out of here. 1:46:34.439 --> 1:46:41.960 Here we go. Yeah, oh I got. 1:46:41.920 --> 1:46:47.639 Two of those ye that rapin that golden tone? 1:46:49.040 --> 1:46:49.280 Oh? 1:46:50.640 --> 1:46:51.760 Who is that? I can't read? 1:46:53.479 --> 1:46:54.760 Boy, boy? 1:46:56.400 --> 1:47:00.519 That is a there is as a ten. The fair 1:47:00.600 --> 1:47:03.120 market value eighty four to seventy. The buyback is seventy 1:47:03.160 --> 1:47:05.840 six twenty three. I think you should hold that. 1:47:05.920 --> 1:47:09.840 But I'm holding on from your Era flow. You got that, dude, 1:47:09.960 --> 1:47:10.280 look at that. 1:47:10.560 --> 1:47:10.960 I like that. 1:47:12.360 --> 1:47:13.120 It was meant to be. 1:47:13.640 --> 1:47:16.000 I know the listeners and the viewers have been enjoying 1:47:16.040 --> 1:47:17.920 this a little bit, and we are going to give 1:47:17.960 --> 1:47:21.120 away some of our cards to the listeners, so I 1:47:21.160 --> 1:47:24.000 think that is an important point to make. All right, 1:47:24.040 --> 1:47:26.640 Thank you to everybody for uh joining us for the 1:47:26.720 --> 1:47:28.400 last couple hours or so, thanks to our guest Ray 1:47:28.439 --> 1:47:32.160 long Ago, r J Clifford, Alexander Hernandez, Matty Betts, Jason Anik. 1:47:32.200 --> 1:47:34.439 We got a big week coming next week. 1:47:34.600 --> 1:47:35.040 You know why. 1:47:37.240 --> 1:47:43.040 The fucking Nightmare Carlos Protests is going to Perth, Western 1:47:43.120 --> 1:47:46.680 Australia to fight Jack Della Mattlanta and we're going to 1:47:46.720 --> 1:47:50.400 a big one next Monday. Any final words, Jay before 1:47:50.439 --> 1:47:50.880 we let you go. 1:47:50.920 --> 1:47:51.400 Are you good? 1:47:51.760 --> 1:47:51.800 No? 1:47:51.920 --> 1:47:53.800 I don't want to make you mad. No, I'm not. 1:47:54.320 --> 1:47:54.880 I'm not mad. 1:47:54.960 --> 1:47:56.800 I'm bad though, I'm the bad Annik. Thank you all 1:47:56.840 --> 1:47:58.040 for what listening. 1:47:58.600 --> 1:48:02.160 We will talk to you guys next Monday for Cody Marrow, 1:48:02.240 --> 1:48:04.280 n Brons and Jason and Kenny Floor and I'm John Anick. 1:48:04.280 --> 1:48:05.680 Everybody at all the Smoke Fight. We will talk to 1:48:05.680 --> 1:48:07.479 you next Monday. Until then fell there