1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: CAFI I Am six forty. You're listening to the John 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,959 Speaker 1: and Ken Show on demand on the iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 2: App KF I Am six forty live everywhere on the 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app. And of course, later on in a bit 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 2: we'll give you a chance to win some dough. Everybody 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 2: likes that we're here till of course Conway shows up, 7 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 2: so stick with us. Later on, we're gonna talk about 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 2: Fourth of July travel hell I experienced some of that 9 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: on Tuesday, and also Alex Stone, ABC's Alex Stone is 10 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: gonna be with us. Human remains have been found in 11 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: that titan wreckage. A couple of other big stories we're watching. Obviously, 12 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 2: the big story of the day, it's an historic story, 13 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 2: is the Supreme Court's decision to go negative on affirmative action, 14 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: and we'll be talking more about that in the third hour, 15 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: as well as a jury acquitting Scott Peterson. No, not 16 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: the fertilizer salesman Scott Peterson. Scott Peterson was the Florida 17 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: sheriff's deputy in Broward County who did not respond to 18 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: the Parkland shooting. All those poor kids were gunned down, 19 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: seventeen dead, seventeen more wounded and he was found not 20 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 2: guilty of negligence, etc. So we'll be getting more details 21 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 2: on that as well. In the meantime, the perpetual problem homelessness. 22 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: We were talking earlier about that with Steve Gregory about 23 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 2: this raid that was called off by the LAPD because 24 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 2: an email got leaked and people didn't like the language 25 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: they're talking about arresting people and taking them away. But 26 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,559 Speaker 2: the new census of homeless the numbers have been revised, 27 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: and of course the headline is a nine percent increase 28 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: in La County, a ten percent increase in the City 29 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 2: of Los Angeles. To get into all the numbers, let's 30 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: welcome to the program. Kfi's Blake Trolleid Blake, how are. 31 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 3: You hey, I'm doing well. Yeah. Homelessness up in La 32 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 3: County and La City, largely mirroring national trends and regional trends. 33 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 3: This all from account conducted in January. So I want 34 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 3: to make that clear. While these numbers came out today, 35 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 3: these are not really a reflection in some new administrations, 36 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 3: notably the Bass administration. This is left overs doug from 37 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 3: the Mayor Garcetti administration as far as La City goes, 38 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 3: La city up ten percent more than forty six thousand 39 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 3: homeless people in La County. The number jump from roughly 40 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 3: sixty nine thousand people to roughly seventy five thousand people. 41 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 3: That is larger than cities in La County. There are 42 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 3: quite a few cities in La County that are much 43 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 3: smaller than seventy five thousand people. So really that shows 44 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 3: we have an entire city. It's worth a population of 45 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 3: homeless people in the county. Twenty six percent of people 46 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:37,119 Speaker 3: were living in shelters. That leaves seventy percent as unsheltered 47 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 3: adults or people living out on the streets, three percent 48 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 3: as unsheltered kids. Now, all of this is an estimation. 49 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 3: For instance, when a tent is counted, the average tent 50 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 3: holds one point five eight people. How they figured that, 51 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 3: I don't know, But each count each time they counted 52 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 3: a tent, it was one point five eight people. So 53 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 3: to give you an idea of just how much a 54 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 3: lot of this is really just a calculation that kind 55 00:02:59,400 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 3: of paints the pick. 56 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 4: Sure. 57 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 3: Breaking down the types of dwellings that were counted, nearly 58 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 3: four thousand people. We're living in cars, thirty three hundred, vans, 59 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 3: sixty eight hundred RVs, four thousand tenths and five thousand 60 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 3: makeshift shelters. Today. The big push in the room was 61 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 3: the need for more housing and more services, notably mental 62 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 3: health services, a scaling up of what the city and 63 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 3: the county are doing with inside Safe and other programs 64 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 3: which officials say are speeding up getting people off the streets. 65 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 3: They're saying more master leasing is needed to make apartments available, 66 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 3: cutting waiting times for people who don't have the right documentation, 67 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 3: just to name a few. Mayor Bass really stressed the 68 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 3: importance of making sure on top of response, more is 69 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 3: being done to prevent homelessness, including making sure people in 70 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 3: LA know about new tenant protections. Those include relocation assistance 71 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 3: if somebody cannot pay for a rent increase of a 72 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 3: certain amount, or a grace period of one month before 73 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 3: evictions due to non payment. She says she fears without 74 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 3: those preventative measures, these numbers could go up. Now, Doug, 75 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 3: there are some questions starting to bubble up. There were 76 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 3: many questions start to bubble up at the end of 77 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 3: all this from reporters, including myself. Officials say the number 78 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 3: one reason people are homeless is economic factors. High rent 79 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 3: job loss, and it's obvious we all know how insanely 80 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 3: expensive La County is. That said, these surveyors found thirty 81 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 3: percent of people self identified as having a substance abuse 82 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 3: issue and twenty five percent self identified as having a 83 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 3: mental health problem. Now, one thing I want to note 84 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 3: here is that officials who conducted this count noted that, yeah, 85 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 3: these are self identifications, so they do expect that these 86 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 3: numbers are higher. So Bass was questioned to clarify those 87 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 3: numbers today. Is it job loss, is it substance abuse? 88 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 3: Substance abuse? Which comes first? 89 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: Well, this is a vastly complex issue. As everybody knows, 90 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 2: you're dealing with human beings, and everybody gets to the 91 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: street a different way. Everybody gets off the street a 92 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 2: different way if they're fortunate enough to get off the street. 93 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: And I admit I am cynical about this idea that 94 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 2: it is just economic difficulty that sends this many people 95 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 2: to the street. And the reason I say that is 96 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 2: having covered this issue for so many years, when you 97 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 2: talk to the people who run the shelters, one of 98 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: the fundamental issues that you deal with with the unhoused 99 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: is that they have broken the connective tissue to family 100 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: and community that most people have, I mean all of us. 101 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: Especially if you've worked in a radio business and you've 102 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: heard my show, you can understand how this could happen. 103 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: I've gone through periods of unemployment in my life, and 104 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: I've had economic difficulty. But when you hit the skids 105 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 2: like that, you can find a friend who can give 106 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: you some couch time for a while, or a cousin 107 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 2: will take you in for a little while till you 108 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: get back on your feet. Whereas we have thousands of 109 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: people who have severed or somehow all the ties have 110 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 2: been broken to their families and now the community, the 111 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 2: civic infrastructure has to step in and start to pick 112 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 2: up the pieces of people's lives. And it's extraordinarily difficult 113 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: for a place that's trying to pave for roads and 114 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 2: pick up garbage and police streets and educate children, et cetera. 115 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: Adds something so personal and so vastly complex as the 116 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 2: breakdown of a person's life on an individual basis. 117 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Doug, just touching on that. I mean, 118 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 3: one of the things I questioned the mayor on today's 119 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 3: is it the you know, is it time now for 120 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,679 Speaker 3: more federal assistants, and of course she said more city, county, state, 121 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 3: and federal assistants. But you have to wonder at this 122 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 3: time if this is a federal issue that needs to 123 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 3: be handled. I mean, officials today we're able to point 124 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 3: to national trends saying homelessness is going up in areas 125 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 3: like Portland, notably a lot cheaper to live in than La. 126 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 3: I lived in Portland for two years before moving down 127 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 3: here in Oregon. Portland for a few months there, and 128 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 3: you know, they pointed to other regions of southern California, 129 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,799 Speaker 3: some that are also cheaper to live in. Sam Bernardino 130 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 3: is up twenty six percent. As far as it's homeless population, 131 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 3: it's notably cheaper. Current County twenty two percent, jump in homelessness, 132 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 3: Riverside County twelve percent. So it's not just a snapshot 133 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 3: at LA County. It is you know, regional, it's national, 134 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 3: and it is an issue now. One number that I 135 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 3: was trying to get clarified today is how many people 136 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 3: out of this count were from LA County. I had 137 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 3: asked for that number. I was told, well, the majority, 138 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 3: as research shows the majority are from LA County. But 139 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 3: the majority could mean a lot of things. I was 140 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 3: trying to get an exact number and exact estimation, and 141 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 3: they wouldn't give it to me. They said they would 142 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 3: give it to me after the press conference. I'm still 143 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 3: waiting on that number. Mayor Bass really pushed back on 144 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 3: that notion. 145 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 5: When I talked to people in the tents, this whole 146 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 5: thing about where you come from. And I'll ask somebody, so, 147 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 5: where are you from, and they'll say Chicago. I said, oh, 148 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 5: how long have you lived in La forty years? 149 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. 150 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 5: Or on the other hand, I've talked to people and 151 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 5: I've said where did you grow up? And They'll tell 152 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 5: me two blocks away. So that whole notion, and this 153 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 5: is the most important piece. I think it is a myth, 154 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 5: but it is a popular myth in this city that 155 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 5: people are coming from far away and they come here 156 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 5: for our weather, and they come here because we're lax 157 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 5: in terms. 158 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 4: Of our laws. 159 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 5: I think all of us up here would agree that 160 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 5: that's a myth. 161 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 2: Well, it's also irrelevant. I mean it really is, when 162 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: you get down to it, irrelevant. It doesn't matter whether 163 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: people are born and raised and have been here for 164 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: seven generations, so they got here two weeks ago at 165 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 2: the Greyhound station. 166 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 6: They're here and they're on our sidewalks. 167 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: So the issue is how do we address the problem, 168 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: And no one has an answer that you raised, Blake, 169 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,239 Speaker 2: you raised the issue of it being a national issue. 170 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 2: You know, my wife and I we have a place 171 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 2: up in Tilamuk County in Oregon where the cheese comes from, 172 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 2: and there, yes, and we've been out on the Trask 173 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 2: River in a canoe and seen homeless tents underneath Route 174 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: one thirty one going over the Trask River in the 175 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 2: middle of there's more cows than people. So this is 176 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 2: this is not just an LA or a southern California problem. 177 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 2: It is a national problem. It's pretty much everywhere. You 178 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 2: can see this in virtually every major urban and rural 179 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 2: Homelessness is harder to quantify, so the count we do 180 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 2: this periodically. The numbers are up, no big surprise, and 181 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 2: I would not be surprised if at the end of 182 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 2: the summer the number isn't exponentially larger because these numbers, 183 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 2: as you say, are a holdover from the Garcetti administration 184 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 2: when we were having terrible weather, terrible rain. Now, as 185 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: the weather dries out, it will be more amenable for 186 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 2: people to be outside and on the sidewalks. 187 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, again, just back to that national issue. What's really 188 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 3: interesting about all of this is that the locals don't 189 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 3: seem to be calling for the feds to step in. 190 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 3: Is I guess you could say, is pressing as you 191 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 3: would expect them to be. When you point to national numbers, 192 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 3: you point to regional numbers, you start to realize this 193 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 3: is not a hyper local issue. It is a national issue. 194 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 3: My parents were just in Nashville last week. They noted 195 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 3: that they noticed a lot of homeless people there. When 196 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 3: I lived in Rapid City, South Dakota, do I recognized 197 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 3: that there were a lot of homeless people there. So 198 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 3: the question is, why aren't the locals calling on the 199 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 3: federal government even harder to step in? Hear about all 200 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 3: the efforts the city and the county are taking, but 201 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 3: they do seem to still shy away from being critical 202 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 3: of the federal government for stepping into this issue. That's 203 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 3: you know, it's a number one issue for people here 204 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 3: in southern California. 205 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 2: Well, I wonder if they would have been Mayor Bess 206 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 2: would have been as critical if Donald Trump was still president. 207 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: You know, sometimes you get into that political thing where 208 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 2: if your own party is in the White House, you 209 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: don't want to put any heat on them. But to me, 210 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: this is a no brainer that this is we don't 211 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: have border checkpoints, well even on the borders, so we 212 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: certainly don't have them between the states, and this is 213 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 2: a national issue that's got to be addressed. All right, Blake, 214 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 2: thanks so much. That's Blake Trolley coming back. We're gonna 215 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: give a chance to win some money. 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Listen to 246 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 2: kf I AM six forty for the winning keyword every 247 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 2: hour every weekday from nine to twenty with Gary and 248 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 2: Shannon all the way up to five twenty with Conway, 249 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: and of course we'll give you another shot at this 250 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 2: in the next hour Okay, So this we're right up 251 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 2: on the fourth of July, and this is the busiest 252 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 2: travel week of the summer. You know, you always get 253 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 2: Christmas and Thanksgiving, and they always send some Porsche lub 254 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 2: has to lug a camera down to Lax and ask 255 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 2: people how are they holding off under the horrific conditions 256 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 2: under which they are subjected in modern air travel? And 257 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,599 Speaker 2: I know because I was one of those people. On Tuesday, 258 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: I was flying back from Newark, New Jersey, which is 259 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 2: a story in and of itself, and then I made 260 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 2: the mistake of taking the flight of shame, the big 261 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 2: yellow plane who shall go nameless, But you know what 262 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 2: I'm talking about, the alleged discount airline where they'd charge 263 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 2: you for the seat belts. They could make them coin operated, 264 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 2: they would. So I'm stuffed into this seat for eight 265 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: and a half hours to go from New Jersey to Lax. 266 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 2: Because there were no pilots on the plane, they boarded 267 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 2: the plane. We sat for two and a half hours 268 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 2: before we took off, and then a six hour flight 269 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: to Los Angeles. By the time I got off the plane, 270 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 2: I needed a jesuit and two chiropractors in order to 271 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: stand up straight. 272 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 6: So it's become. 273 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 2: Sort of a periodic news story where, for whatever reason, 274 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 2: is a story there's a storm somewhere and the entire 275 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 2: air grid grinds to a halt. It seems to me 276 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 2: that this started there was a blizzard I think was 277 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 2: a two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, something 278 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 2: like that, and I got trapped in that one too. 279 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: We were back east for Christmas and there was a 280 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 2: massive snowstorm and the entire air grid was screwed up 281 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 2: for ten days, and the only way we could get back. 282 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 2: There were four of us. We literally rented a car 283 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 2: and drove from New York back to la and we 284 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 2: made it in like sixty eight hours. We had four drivers. 285 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 2: We just kept driving because once the storm comes in, 286 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 2: planes are trapped in the wrong cities and the crews 287 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: aren't there. And under FAA laws, you have to have 288 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 2: X number of people to cruel a plane. 289 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 6: And that's what happened to us. Coming back from. 290 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 2: Newark on Tuesday, there were no pilots, so we had 291 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 2: to sit there. They put us on the plane early, 292 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 2: figuring on the pilots show up, you'll get ready to go. 293 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:18,599 Speaker 6: Two and a half hour sitting. 294 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: There, so there were six thousand flights delayed last week, 295 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 2: one thousand canceled by late Wednesday afternoon, according to Flight Tracker, 296 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: and this week three million people are expected to travel 297 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 2: in and out of LAX during the twelve day period 298 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 2: around the fourth of July, with Friday tomorrow being the 299 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 2: busiest at two hundred and forty five thousand passengers, and 300 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 2: on July tenth, everybody coming back two hundred and fifty 301 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 2: one thousand, so three thousand people, excuse me, four thousand 302 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: people apparently going to stay and I'm coming back. Maybe 303 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 2: they went to Texas or Florida or something. But two 304 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 2: hundred forty five thousand people leaving tomorrow and two hundred 305 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 2: and fifty one thousand coming back on July tenth, which 306 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 2: makes this right up there with Thanksgiving and Christmas as 307 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 2: the busiest travel period in the summer. And ninety thousand 308 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 2: vehicles expected to squeeze into the horseshoe down there at LAX, 309 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 2: which is hell on Earth. By the way, they cannot 310 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 2: build that people mover fast enough for my dime. This 311 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 2: is the worst airport in the country. I mean, when 312 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 2: you go anywhere else, you fly it to Chicago, you 313 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 2: landed O'Hare and you get in your car and you're 314 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 2: driving at sixty miles an hour for ten minutes, and 315 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 2: you're still seeing O'Hair. Airport. Lax is like a cul 316 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 2: de sac with Westchester wrapped around it in the marina. 317 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: It is this tiny little space for one of the 318 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 2: busiest airports in the world, and we're just stuck with 319 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 2: it until they can get some kind of a mass 320 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 2: transit link to actually take cars out of the horseshoe. 321 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 2: So anyway, we're going to be off and running to 322 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 2: wherever we go to celebrate America's birth, And unfortunately that 323 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 2: starts at the airport for so many millions of people, 324 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 2: and we've got one of the worst ones to deal with. 325 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 2: And it brings up the issue of customer service in general. 326 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 2: Now the airlines, for some reason have become epicenters of outrage, 327 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 2: both because of the conditions under which they've subjected they're 328 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 2: paying customers to fly, the idea you see those pictures 329 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 2: from the you don't have to go back to the fifties. 330 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 6: You go back to the sixties and the seventies. 331 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 2: You see first class cabins and you see passengers, you know, 332 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: being fed grapes by Newbile stewardesses wearing sexy outfits, and 333 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 2: everybody's wearing a jacket and tie. And now people are 334 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: wearing their pajamas, and they got goats and chickens to 335 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: carry on luggage, and you're just preparing you they look 336 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: like a refugee fleeing when you're just trying to get 337 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 2: to Mo's house, you know, for the fourth of July. 338 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 2: Of course, coming back from the fourth of July, everybody's 339 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: gonna be missing a couple of fingers of their eyebrows too. 340 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 6: That's a whole separate issue. 341 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:06,959 Speaker 2: But the airplanes have become tense, not only because of 342 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: the threat of terrorism post nine to eleven, but in 343 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 2: this sort of age of rage that we're living in. 344 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 2: People stuck on flying tubes for hours, jammed into little 345 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 2: tiny spaces with people coughing and giving them infectious diseases, 346 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 2: and then they take it out on the flight crew, 347 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 2: and the flight crew, by the way, frequently takes it 348 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 2: out on the passengers to the paying customers. So it's 349 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 2: become this self perpetuing cycle of hostility that just man, 350 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 2: you got to really really want to go to the 351 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 2: place you're going to put up with this. 352 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 353 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 4: AM six. 354 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 2: Forty McIntyre in for John and Ken, and of course 355 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 2: Conway coming up after we're done here, and we got 356 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 2: a lot more coming up this hour, including Dumbways to Die. 357 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 6: Guy really set the bar pretty high for that. 358 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 2: But a lot of folks have been discussed seeing the 359 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 2: sort of risk the risk reward nature of. 360 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 6: The titan disaster. 361 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 2: The submarine that went down on June eighteenth, imploded on 362 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 2: its descent down to the Titanic, and people you go 363 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 2: on an expedition up to the Mount everest or in 364 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 2: various sort of exotic vacation destination adventures and the price 365 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 2: that people occasionally pay, and that certainly was the case 366 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 2: with the Ocean Gate expedition to the Titanic. The word 367 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: now comes from the Canadian vessel Horizon Arctic that carried 368 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 2: a remote vehicle down and they found not only wreckage 369 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,959 Speaker 2: but also now apparently human remains. To update us on this, 370 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 2: it's a pleasure to welcome in ABC's Alex Stone. 371 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 6: Alex, how are you? 372 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Don McIntyre, how are you. 373 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 6: It's like old timer's There is literally I know, I know, 374 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 6: it's so funny. 375 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,479 Speaker 2: It's like I feel like, after all these I've run 376 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: into so many people here at KOF who I worked 377 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 2: with before, and it's been a long time. 378 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 6: So it's a pleasure to hear your voice and to talk. 379 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: Talk to you again. 380 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 6: Yeah. 381 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: So on yeah, on the sub situation. So they sent 382 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: that submercible down. It's got arms on it. They were 383 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: able to pick up pieces of the Titan, and early 384 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 1: on they had said that they didn't know if they 385 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,479 Speaker 1: were just going to leave them there or would they 386 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: do a full investigation. What were they going to do? 387 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: They decided that they were going to bring up what 388 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: they could find on the bottom. They've been doing that. 389 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: They are going to do a full investigation. The Canadians, 390 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: the US Coast Guard, the NTSB, the French, and the 391 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: British because they had citizens on board. Everybody's going to 392 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: be involved in this, but the Coast Guard and the 393 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: NTSB are going to be leading it. And the chief investigator, 394 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: Captain Jason the Newbauer with the Coastguard saying this, my. 395 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 7: Primary goal is to prevent a similar currence by making 396 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 7: the necessary recommendations to enhance the safety of the maritime 397 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 7: domain worldwide. 398 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: So they've been bringing up pieces of the outer exterior 399 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: of it, that titanium from the outside, what looks like 400 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: the electronics bay kind of still intact, the landing, the 401 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: feed of it, the metal frame. 402 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 6: They brought all of that up. 403 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: They have found what they say is presumed human remains 404 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: that are going to be analyzed and still have to 405 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: be tested by medical teams to confirm that they are 406 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: actually human. You got to remember that this was not 407 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: like an explosion, but an implosion, very violent, very quick. 408 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 1: But they have found what they thinker human remains on 409 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: the bottom. And Doug we talked to Tom Howder, former 410 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: NTSB investigator. He says, this whole thing and the NTSB 411 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: is going to be playing a big role in it 412 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: is going to take quite a while and it's going 413 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: to be unique that this is charting new territory. The 414 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: NTSB has never done anything like this before, really, nobody 415 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: has with a kind of a homemade sub even though 416 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 1: it's a company doing it, but you know, doing their 417 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: own way of building this thing, using adhesives to put 418 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: parts of it together, breaking some of the rules, you know, 419 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: all of that that now they got to figure out 420 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,959 Speaker 1: what exactly where was the weakness. Was it the carbon fiber, 421 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 1: was it the titanium, was it the adhesive connection connecting 422 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 1: points that were brought together? And he told us this, I. 423 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 7: Can't recall the NTSV or Canada or anyone else outside 424 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 7: of the military doing a submarine axeit investigation. So this 425 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 7: is a new ground for a lot of the investigators. 426 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: That many of them, you know, if it's an airplane 427 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: crash or a train incident like the one in Ventura 428 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: County yesterday or the Amtrak they have a team of experts. 429 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 1: They have a go team that it goes and they 430 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 1: know how to look at the the power systems on 431 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: board where the pilots were doing all of that. They 432 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: don't really know how to do this and they got 433 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: to figure it out. And Canadian authorities say they've interviewed 434 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: all of the crew on the support ship that was 435 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: up above. They've gotten the ship's data record order to 436 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: analyze that data. How much of that's really going to 437 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: help out. They weren't under the water, but they can 438 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: explain what they did to get tight and ready. And 439 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: the other part of this Doug is Tom says, this 440 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: is going to take a while typically the NTSB, it 441 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: takes a year to get even just a regular plane 442 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: incident report out of the NTSB. They got a lot 443 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: of work they got to do, and he said. 444 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 7: Let's going to take months anyway to go through all 445 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,959 Speaker 7: these bits and pieces and thoroughly analyze all of the failures, 446 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 7: looking at how the hatch separated, where did the first 447 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 7: leak happen, and these kind of pressures. When things go bad, 448 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 7: everything's over very very quickly. 449 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: And they got to interview people who wrote on Titan 450 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: in the past, because some of them have been saying 451 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: that when you went down in it that you heard 452 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: what sounded like gunshots going off. That's not a good sign. 453 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: That's the carbon fiber separating from all of the pressure 454 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: when it would go down and then coming back together 455 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,719 Speaker 1: when going back up and the pressure was decreasing. So 456 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: they want to know what we're warning signs. What were 457 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: the typical failures on board. We know that they typically 458 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: would lose communications, they typically would have other issues. What 459 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: were they going down with? What signs were there beforehand? 460 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: Was it the carbon fiber, was it the titanium. They 461 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: want to try to figure it out if they ever can, 462 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: you know, they're going to always know that it imploded. 463 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: There was clearly a weakness in all of it. But 464 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: where did it start? 465 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 6: They don't know yet. We'll talk about ABC's Alex Stone. Alex. 466 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 2: The gruesome aspect of this is that they believe that 467 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 2: they found human remains. And at six thousand pounds per 468 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 2: square inch, it's six thousand psi at that depth, this 469 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 2: has got to be one ugly mess to have to 470 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 2: I mean, they're going to have to do it. I 471 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,719 Speaker 2: take it just with a microscope with DNA testing. 472 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean the fact it's presumed human 473 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: remains and that they've got to send it to a 474 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: lab to figure out exactly to confirm that they're human 475 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: and who they are. That you know, they aren't finding 476 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: any bodies down under the water. That this was essentially 477 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: think of a bomb going off, but the opposite of that, 478 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: and it ripped the vessel apart. It ripped everything in 479 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: the vessel apart. It's amazing to me that they found 480 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: any human remains. 481 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 6: It really is. 482 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: You know that they sent down this rover and it's 483 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: got the arms on it and it can pick up 484 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 1: little things, so you know, maybe it's been teeth or 485 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: something like that, but that things didn't completely float away, 486 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: or that sand on the bottom didn't you know, or 487 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: whatever the density of the bottom is didn't cover it up. 488 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 2: Immediately when they were pulling up one of the pieces, 489 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 2: I noticed that they had a tarp thrown over it. 490 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 2: And it's really I mean again, I don't want to, 491 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 2: you know, make this a purient exploitation of the gruesomeness 492 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 2: of it, but it's entirely possible that the body is 493 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 2: just mushed into the wreckage, I mean, at that pressure. 494 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 6: Also, we talked but this carbon fiber, and I know we. 495 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 2: Have discussed plane crashes that use composite material in the past, 496 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 2: and one of the issues with carbon fiber materials is 497 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 2: that cracks can develop internally that are not visible to 498 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 2: the naked eye. 499 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: You're right, and it is. It's a woven material that 500 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: when it's between the titanium walls. That was one of 501 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: the worries that we have heard from at least one 502 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: former employee who claimed that he was a whistleblower and 503 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: that he got fired from ocean Gate for bringing it up, 504 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: saying that the repeated pressurization, you know, a lot like 505 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: an airplane taking off and landing so many times where 506 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: they pressurize it and there has been metal fatigue. We 507 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: haven't had carbon fiber long enough in airplanes now. The 508 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 1: seven eighty seven and the A three fifty and the 509 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: A three eighty, a lot of those are carbon fiber, 510 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: but they haven't been around that long to really know 511 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: what the long. 512 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 6: Term weaknesses are going to be. 513 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: But they have to inspect them and they've got to 514 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 1: do scans on them to make sure that there are 515 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,959 Speaker 1: no rips in that woven material. In this case, because 516 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: of the incredible pressure of going down two and a 517 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: half miles to the Titanic, that there was the concern 518 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: of this engineer that this stuff was ripping and that 519 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: the gunfire noises that people who went down, well, here 520 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: this guy, Carl Stanley, he said that he went down 521 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: in it, and Stockton Rush, the creator of it, he 522 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: had warnings before they went down. He told us this. 523 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: He told the group to expect hearing noises and I 524 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: would compare them to small caliber gunshots. Well, those are 525 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,719 Speaker 1: all signs that that carbon fiber is having an issue. 526 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: And the original whistleblower employee who has fired, he said 527 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: that they needed to do scans on that pretty regularly 528 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: after a dive to make sure that in between the 529 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: titanium that this stuff wasn't ripping. He claims that Stockton 530 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 1: Rush told him that they couldn't do any of those scans. 531 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: They didn't have the technology because the walls were so 532 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: thick to actually be able to see that carbon fiber 533 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: in it. And the employee's claim was, well, if you 534 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: can't do it, then it's not safe to go down 535 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: because you don't know if there are rips in that 536 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: carbon fiber. They'll look into that. That's probably the most 537 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: likely scenario. Titanium. You know, most submersibles are made out 538 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: of pure titanium, thick walls, no problems at all. Titanium 539 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: doesn't come apart. This was a new idea in a submersible. 540 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: And the belief is when you put that, when you 541 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: pressurize it from the inside and it expands, it's got 542 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: the pressure on the outside, just like a piece of paper, 543 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 1: a cloth just eventually rips and then once you get 544 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: the pressure on it at that depth, boom, it just 545 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: blows apart. 546 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 2: All right, Alex, thanks so much. I was appreciate you 547 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 2: being with us. Alex Stone from ABC News and sort 548 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 2: of continuing that theme, I'm gonna talk about this guy 549 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 2: who literally went on vacation and decided to try twenty 550 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 2: one cocktails. I think that twenty first what might have 551 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 2: been one too many. We'll get into that Conway coming 552 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 2: up after us. 553 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 554 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 4: AM six forty. 555 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 2: All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're here till Conway comes 556 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 2: along next hour. We'll give you another chance to win some dough, 557 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 2: which is always a good thing, and I want to 558 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 2: encourage you, by the way, to come out out and 559 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 2: say hello in person. On July eighteenth, I'm going to 560 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,239 Speaker 2: be at the Barnes and Noble at the Grove at 561 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 2: Farmers Market from seven to nine pm. I've got this 562 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 2: book coming out called Frank Shadow, which I'm very proud 563 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 2: of and encourage you all to buy in bulk. You 564 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 2: can get it at Amazon and Barnesandoble, dot com and 565 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 2: all that good stuff. But we're doing a bunch of 566 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 2: events that include the July eighteenth launch at Barnes and 567 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 2: Noble at the Grove at Farmers Market, and then we're 568 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 2: going to be at Gatsby's in Long Beach on the 569 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 2: twenty second at noon, and Pages a bookstore in Manhattan 570 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 2: Beach on the twenty sixth, and then we'll be at 571 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 2: Barnes and Noble in Irvine at the Spectrum on August second, 572 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,719 Speaker 2: and on August ninth, I'll be at Romans in Pasadena 573 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: with the lovely bride, Penny Piser, who will be with 574 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 2: her books on us from Suburbia. So we got all 575 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 2: that coming up, so come on out and say hello. 576 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 2: All right, we just talking with Alex Stone about this 577 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 2: submarine disaster which everybody was paying attention to. And yes 578 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 2: it is odd or perhaps even thought provoking, how much 579 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 2: attention the loss of the submarine got from the globe 580 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 2: over five lives. When thousands of people literally are drowning 581 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 2: as refugees and rickety boats that are overloaded by human 582 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 2: smugglers getting them out of hell holes, whether it was 583 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 2: coming out of Cuba into Florida or across the Aegeana 584 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 2: or across the Mediterranean from Libya. We see this all 585 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 2: the time, these horrible pictures, or kids end up dead 586 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 2: on the beach while they're trying to flee their parents 587 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 2: are trying to get them out for some shot at 588 00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 2: a better life. But obviously the submarine story, it's got 589 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 2: connection to the Titanic, and the Titanic is like Elvis 590 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 2: and Marilyn Monroe, and I guess Michael Jackson will join 591 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 2: this list. We just can't get enough Elvis and Maryland. 592 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 2: They keep making movies about them. People keep seeing them 593 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 2: at gas stations or at a Denny's. You know, they 594 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 2: keep They're just in the consciousness and they probably will 595 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 2: be forever. And the Titanic certainly fits the bill. So 596 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 2: a billionaire and these rich people going down on the submarine, 597 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 2: and everybody has seen the submarine movies and we all 598 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 2: imagine they're running out of air. Of course, they weren't 599 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 2: running out of air. They were killed instantly on the implosion, 600 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 2: almost assuredly, so, which is the only mercy out of 601 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 2: that whole story. And then people are mocking them because 602 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 2: of this idea of adventure exploration, whether it's rich people 603 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 2: going into outer space, going for rides in orbit on 604 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 2: Blue Origin or whatever one of the Elon Musk's rockets. 605 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 2: People climb, you know, the Himalayan mountains that they go 606 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 2: to Antarctica, or they're bungee jumping or skydiving or whatever. 607 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 2: It is they get killed in all ways. Now, my 608 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 2: idea of an adventurous, dangerous vacation is to be in 609 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 2: a two star hotel. Any hotel that doesn't have twenty 610 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 2: four hour room service, to me is the equivalent of 611 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 2: being in a submersible at thirteen thousand feet. I'm just 612 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 2: I don't want anything to do with it. I want 613 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 2: anything to do with camping. I don't want to do 614 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 2: anything with the outdoors. If I can help it, this 615 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 2: KFI has underground parking. 616 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 6: It's great. 617 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 2: I get to my car without even leaving the building. 618 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 2: So this ain't me but people. At the same time, 619 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 2: we celebrate the extraordinary depths and lengths we will go 620 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 2: to to save human life, whether it's trauma units that 621 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 2: can save lives with microsurgery or transplant surgery, transplanting faces, 622 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 2: dispatching navies to go try to save and find these people. 623 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 6: We do extraordinary things to save. 624 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 2: Lives with metavac helicopters, and then you end up like 625 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 2: this guy from England. His name was Timothy Southern. Not 626 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 2: making a joke because he was a real person. He's 627 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 2: got grieving family, but he goes on vacation to Jamaica 628 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 2: to the Royal de Cameron Club in Jamaica, and he 629 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 2: decides to take part in an I guess some kind 630 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 2: of stupid you online stunt, that twenty one cocktail challenge 631 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 2: where he has to knock back twenty one drinks before midnight. 632 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 2: He meets these two chicks and they talk him into 633 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 2: doing it. So you can see how that happens, right, guys, 634 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 2: you meet a couple of girls on vacation in Jamaica. 635 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 6: They said, hey, you want to have cocktails with me? 636 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 6: We're in a challenge. 637 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 2: He goes, They're in on board. Where do I sign? Well, 638 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 2: he's dead. He knocked back twelve drinks. We don't know 639 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 2: how long it took him to knock that back, but 640 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 2: we do know that apparently he was pregaming before he 641 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 2: even started this, drinking brandy and beer throughout the morning, 642 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 2: and then he had the twelve drinks and he ended 643 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 2: up debt. And I'm sure that paramedics the first responders 644 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 2: who show up at these kinds of stunts, whether it's 645 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 2: dopes that are taking a selfie on the rim of 646 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 2: the Grand Canyon and they plunge to their death or 647 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 2: whatever it is. You know, there's so many ways we 648 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 2: can offer ourselves in some stupid and incomprehensible. In fact, 649 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 2: I remembered my wife and I we were driving on 650 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 2: the one oh one westbound one time and a pickup 651 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 2: truck passed us that had a surfboard sticking out of 652 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 2: the back of the bed of the pickup truck, and 653 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 2: it was bungee corded to the truck, and it started bouncing, 654 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,239 Speaker 2: and I could see this was gonna pop, And no 655 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 2: sooner did I start to say to my wife that 656 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 2: surfboard is going to Cowabunga. It pops off the truck 657 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 2: and goes sailing four inches above the roof of our car. 658 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 2: If it had been five inches lower, it would have 659 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 2: gone through the window and killed both of us. And 660 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 2: every morning show at America, every shock jocket America would 661 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 2: have been saying. 662 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 6: Cowabunga wipeout on the one oh one. 663 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 2: Couple wipes out twenty five miles from the beach, and 664 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 2: we would have been fodder for laughter, because that's what 665 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 2: we do. I guess when people killed themselves in stupid ways, 666 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 2: but meanwhile, the paramedics got to treat them, actually out 667 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 2: there save lives. And sometimes I'm sure that the first 668 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 2: responders gotta they gotta go back at the end of 669 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 2: the day and said, ah, there's so many people who 670 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 2: we can't save. There's so many people were late. We 671 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 2: can't get there in time to bail them out of 672 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 2: this dire consequence. And then this idiot is pulling some stunt. 673 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 2: And since the advent of TikTok videos and Instagram posts 674 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 2: and YouTube videos where they create challenges where you got 675 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 2: to drink you know, sarace sauce and you got some. 676 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 2: You know, seventeen year old is knocking back forty eight 677 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 2: ounces of sarace sauce and his liver goes running down 678 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 2: the five freeway, you know, all by itself. I mean, 679 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 2: we are inventing utterly stupid ways to die. I can't 680 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 2: imagine in an earlier epic of history people were doing 681 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 2: this stuff because life itself was so fraught with death. 682 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 2: I mean, just you know, when you consider what you 683 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 2: had to do to put a loaf of bread on 684 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 2: the table. You had to fell trees, you had to 685 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 2: pull the stumps, you had to grow the weed, you 686 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 2: had to grind it into fly, you had to bake 687 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:01,280 Speaker 2: the bread. 688 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 6: And that's for one loaf of bread. 689 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 2: I mean life was tough, but now I mean maybe 690 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 2: we have cut the edges. We've rounded the edges, so 691 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 2: many of the edges off of life, you know, with 692 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 2: kids dressed like you know, Conquista doors and armor with helmets, 693 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 2: and three lawyers with briefcases followed on every bike trip 694 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 2: to make sure no one gets hurt. Maybe there's some 695 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 2: self destructive urge that's baked into us where we just 696 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,919 Speaker 2: get bored so we take crazy risks, incredibly crazy risk 697 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 2: including hopping into a submarine that's not certified and being 698 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 2: driven by a forty dollars game controller. You know, a 699 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,760 Speaker 2: controller from a game boy. I don't think so, but again, 700 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,720 Speaker 2: you know, my spine is yellow. It's two fifty seven. 701 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,320 Speaker 2: We got another hour to go. We're here until Conway 702 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 2: shows up, so stay with us for another hour. 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