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Speaker 3: With that said about books, I have a book. It's

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Speaker 3: called Life and Death at Abbey Gate written by staff

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Speaker 3: who is joining me today is Michael who wrote that

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Speaker 2: What's their name? Robert Conlin was my co author, A

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Speaker 2: great author, a great dude. So it's a privilege to

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Speaker 2: write with him. Welcome to Soft Rep Radio. Michael, hey Man,

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Speaker 2: thanks so much. I've been looking forward to this one

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Thanks to Daniel for hooking it up. He's like, hey,

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Speaker 3: on Super Bowl Sunday. Now we don't know the score,

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Speaker 3: all right, we don't know anything yet. It's about noon

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Speaker 3: Right, everybody, one, two, three. It's like, hey, man, all right,

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Speaker 3: So it's going to give me a second to read,

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Speaker 3: Life and Death at Abby Gate displays humanity at its finest,

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Speaker 3: And here you are, Michael, tried just to get in

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Speaker 3: Right, you know, And you know, I didn't realize that

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Speaker 3: Well, we watched the aircraft as the C seventeen Globe

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Speaker 2: To see that mm hmm. And I think that, I mean,

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Speaker 2: and they still hold on. Yeah, they still thought that

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Speaker 3: Oh maybe they thought that the plane just wouldn't take off,

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Speaker 2: I'm not let's not you know, war for sure, Absolutely no,

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, you have a friend who was over there and

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Speaker 3: Now he tells his story and it's just like, you

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Speaker 3: He's like, I just need six of those plate carriers please.

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Speaker 3: Right? It's a whole different airsoft team and he's like yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying the realization of someone like, you know,

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Speaker 3: they're just coming into different shops. I remember my dad

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Speaker 2: Wow, back in the eighties. Yeah, on their own. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: exactly what I saw coming through the shop doors. It's

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Speaker 2: just like, yep, you know, all right, cool, totally different

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Speaker 3: your book, you go over there, right, you go over

433
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Speaker 3: to rescue.

434
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Speaker 2: No, So I spent the whole evacuation here in mission again. Actually,

435
00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,520
Speaker 2: So that's that's really what the whole digital Dunkirk network

436
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,680
Speaker 2: was about, is you know, a bunch of veterans, most

437
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,919
Speaker 2: of which had probably served in Afghanistan or had some

438
00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,159
Speaker 2: ties to Afghanistan, but some didn't at all and just

439
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,399
Speaker 2: wanted to do the right thing. You know. We saw,

440
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,360
Speaker 2: we saw our government drop the ball and we made

441
00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,119
Speaker 2: promises to these partners. You know, these these Afghans fought

442
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 2: with us, blood with us, served shoulder to shoulder with

443
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,000
Speaker 2: us for twenty years, and their promise protection through the

444
00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:29,119
Speaker 2: Special Immigrant Visa Program commonly referred to as the SIV program,

445
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,679
Speaker 2: and our government just completely dropped the ball. And was

446
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,879
Speaker 2: you know, the writing was on the wall. We could

447
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:35,679
Speaker 2: we could see that these people were going to get

448
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:40,200
Speaker 2: left behind. You know, back to the whole h Kaya location.

449
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,719
Speaker 2: When I found out the evacuation was being run out

450
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,399
Speaker 2: of h Kai, you know, I was doing the mental

451
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 2: math of you know, how many runways do they have

452
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,639
Speaker 2: just one? How much time do we actually have and

453
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 2: how many SIV applicants are there, and the math just

454
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 2: clearly wasn't adding up, like these people were not all

455
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 2: going to get out. So that's when this this network

456
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 2: called digital Kirk really formed up. And it really wasn't

457
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,680
Speaker 2: an organized thing at the beginning. It was just a

458
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 2: whole bunch of different chat rooms on Instagram, on the

459
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 2: signal on WhatsApp of all these people coming together and

460
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,679
Speaker 2: essentially creating like a joint operations center online. So individually, like,

461
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 2: we had very little information, right Like I came to

462
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,120
Speaker 2: this group with just two names, Abdullah Muhammad. But collectively

463
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 2: we realized we had a ton of information like who

464
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 2: was working what gates, who had phone numbers to you know,

465
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 2: marines standing at what gate, and what documentation the State

466
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 2: Department was requiring at that moment, and so together we

467
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,199
Speaker 2: had just all the information you could possibly need. So

468
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 2: this whole, this whole movement that whoever came up with

469
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,640
Speaker 2: a name digital Dunkirk is a genius because it fits perfectly.

470
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 2: But this whole movement happened from our computers while we're

471
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 2: sitting here at home, so a lot of people are

472
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 2: working their day jobs here and then at night obviously

473
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 2: when it's daytime in Afghanistan. Everyone's just hitting the phones

474
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 2: and the computers, just trying to find pays to get

475
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 2: their guys out.

476
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 3: So it's just it's just it's a lot more convenient

477
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 3: today to just communicate. You know, there's a lot more

478
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,640
Speaker 3: avenues and you're not getting a newspaper article from a

479
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 3: combat attack in Vietnam two weeks later, yep.

480
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you kind of put that aside.

481
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 3: You know, it's like because two weeks of past and

482
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 3: now it's like you're seeing it happen, like this is

483
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,639
Speaker 3: kind of real time kind of call of duty satellite stuff.

484
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah, I mean it was very impressive what this

485
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 2: group was able to do from the US just on

486
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 2: our phones and computers, and so, you know, I'm so

487
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 2: proud to see those veterans and not only veterans but

488
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 2: civilians that joined in too, just step up and grab

489
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,159
Speaker 2: the ball when when our government fumbled, you know, and

490
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 2: continue downfield. And the amount of lives that this group

491
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 2: was able to save was just staggering.

492
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 3: So you know, I still, you know, just want to

493
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 3: think why did we sell so much equipment to the

494
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 3: tale of It or to the you know, A and

495
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 3: a before during you know, right before he signed the

496
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 3: President Trump, I'm calling him out right now for this,

497
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 3: right sold billions of dollars of equipment and then went

498
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 3: and signed the pull out accord to get out for Biden,

499
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 3: why do you think, what do you think about that,

500
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 3: you know, him spending selling all that stuff, yeah, and

501
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 3: then pulling out of it automatically, which is out there.

502
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 3: It's it's just what it is.

503
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, I mean, in my buck, I tried

504
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 2: not to get too political. I blame both presidents, but

505
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 2: sure they both had made decisions that were just.

506
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 3: Well Biden was during Obama too, so I'm not trying

507
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 3: to get him anything, you know, but again, these are

508
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 3: what I'm asking specifically, is like, yeah, yeah, so I'm

509
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 3: guessing that they, you know, back to the intelligence assessments,

510
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 3: I'm guessing they thought.

511
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 2: They were going to be able to hold out a

512
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 2: lot longer than they were able to. I think that's

513
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 2: probably what the administration was thinking. But again, it's just

514
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 2: it didn't make any sense. And had we run a

515
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 2: proper evacuation and run it out of a secure location,

516
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 2: we could have stayed until we got all that equipment out,

517
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 2: but instead we put an end date on it, and

518
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 2: we left a bunch of our allies behind, and we

519
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 2: left millions, billions of dollars of equipment. You know, Now,

520
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: the Taliban has biometrics, some of which contains the information

521
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 2: of our allies that are still stuck there. They have

522
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,719
Speaker 2: night vision goggles, they have everything that we have. They

523
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 2: have black hawks.

524
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 3: So I saw the video of like I think, on

525
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 3: a TikTok where like they're looking I don't know if

526
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 3: it was actual or if I'm seeing propaganda, but it

527
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 3: showed like them pivoting the nose trying to fly it,

528
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 3: and it like rolled, and they're like, this is what

529
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 3: we just left behind, you know, the black hawks and such.

530
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: And you know, I know those require a ton of maintenance,

531
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 2: so who knows how long they're actually gonna be able

532
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 2: to hold out, But I do know that also potentially

533
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: Russia and China are offering assistance for maintenance for those

534
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 2: types of things.

535
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 3: So see, I was thinking that maybe the Taliban was

536
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 3: going to fight China and so we need them as

537
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 3: an ally. And so the whole plan was to leave

538
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,719
Speaker 3: the equipment there to outfit the Taliban so that they

539
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 3: can now defend against Russia and China as an ally

540
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 3: of the US because I mean, let's face it, they're

541
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 3: very war very warheartened they are. I will say that

542
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 3: China is doing their best to maintain relationships with the

543
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 3: Taliban because the Taliban has a whole bunch of resources

544
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 3: that China wants. Of course, they've already entered agreements for

545
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 3: some mining operations. I want to say it's lithium.

546
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 2: Don't quote me on that, but I know that China

547
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: is currently in Afghanistan.

548
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 3: Bobby, excuse me? Did I say that out loud?

549
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 2: Yep. There's many things that they want, so right now

550
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 2: they seem to be allies. Hmmm.

551
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 3: My next question stirring in my head. I'm trying to

552
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 3: figure that one out right there, So I'm just like,

553
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 3: all right, all right, and again I just want to

554
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 3: hear your opinion on it. You know, you wrote such

555
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 3: an in depth book Life and Death at Abby Gate, right,

556
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 3: and where can we find that? Is that out? On everything? Amazon,

557
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 3: at Barnes and Noble?

558
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 2: Is it? Yeah? Anywhere you buy your books you'll be

559
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 2: able to find it. You can also find it obviously Amazon,

560
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: and you can find out my website, which is Michael

561
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 2: Cook dot com. Spell my name a little different as

562
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: we talked about before. It's I K A. E. Lcook

563
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: dot Com is an easy place to find it as well.

564
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 2: And that's right. Because you're a dual citizen, so you're Swede,

565
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: I am. Yeah. My mother was born in Sweden. I

566
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: was born in the United States. But because because of that,

567
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 2: I get to have dual citizenship and be able to

568
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: travel under a Swedish passport.

569
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 3: Oh that's dope. Is it blue? It's I think it's

570
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 3: red red. She doesn't make any sense, almost diplomatic, like, hey,

571
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 3: red passport, you know, and it's like one a little

572
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 3: special ambassador coming through.

573
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 2: Bro.

574
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 3: That's cool. Sweden, huh. I'd love to go over there.

575
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 2: Do you visit? Yeah? I have a ton of family there.

576
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 2: My my grandparents and uncless are all still there, so

577
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 2: I try to get over there once every couple of years.

578
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 2: Gorgeous country, you know, beautiful people. Is there fjords in Sweden,

579
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 2: not like there is Norway? Yeah, if you want to

580
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: see for fjords, go to go to I think Western

581
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: Norway is the best place for sure. But Sweden's definitely beautiful. Yeah.

582
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 3: I'm definitely have that in my bloodline on my twenty

583
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 3: three and me DNA nice Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mom's the

584
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 3: Viking on the family side. Dad's related to all the royalty,

585
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 3: So I get you. You look like a Viking.

586
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: Yeah right.

587
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 3: I'm just way domesticated though, So I'm a domesticated Viking. Bro.

588
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 3: That fire's gas. I didn't have to like spart nothing

589
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 3: to get it going. Okay, I'm so domesticated. It's like,

590
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 3: oh man, that's good. You know. Yeah, I might shave

591
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 3: the side of my head, put a nice skull tattoo,

592
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 3: let the hair grow out. I don't know nice.

593
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 2: You know. One other thing though, as I'm sitting here

594
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: thinking about this, we're talking about China and Russia, though,

595
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,719
Speaker 2: is you know the other thing that's been happening is

596
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: Russians have been recruiting former an A soldiers to come

597
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: fight in Ukraine for them, which again is easy to

598
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 2: make judgment on, I think, but when you think about it,

599
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: these ana who are hiding in Afghanistan from the Taliban,

600
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,959
Speaker 2: you know, it's not a bad solution because a lot

601
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: of them are on the run in Afghanistan. They're literally

602
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: in hiding hoping they don't get slaughtered. So Russia's offering

603
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: them a chance to hey, come here, come fight for us.

604
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: We'll pay you, we'll keep your family safe. It's not

605
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 2: again as if you're a father. That doesn't sound like

606
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 2: a horrible solution. So just another crazy thing that's happening

607
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 2: right now.

608
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 3: You know. Also, what's going on in Afghanistan from sources

609
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 3: that I've talked with, is that there's just villages that

610
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 3: are just disconnected from every modern function that you could

611
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: think of, and they have just been living in this

612
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 3: primitive style life happily as tribes. Yeah right, living over there,

613
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 3: and they don't even know what the talent or what

614
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 3: Afghanistan is. Sure, yeah, what's this word Afghanistan? They're like,

615
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 3: you mean my land?

616
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I mean there's shit, there's a lot of

617
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: examples of Afghans and rural areas thinking that US troops

618
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: were still Russians, you know, and all right, that that

619
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: invasion was still happening. So yeah, I mean there's some

620
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: people out there that they don't have any like track

621
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 2: of time. They don't really know, they don't know how

622
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: old they are. I mean, they live a very simple life,

623
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 2: which is crazy for us. Harvest work in the mountains. Yeah,

624
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: and so here we have here we have like you know,

625
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: cabal falling, but they don't really even maybe know cabal exists.

626
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, absolutely, they get intruders in their perimeters, yes,

627
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 3: villages like who are these what is this?

628
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: What is this this.

629
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 3: Alien ship landing in my backyard? Yeah, And a lot

630
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 3: of them just want to be left alone, kind of

631
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 3: like as you mentioned, I mean, they're they don't necessarily

632
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 3: like the Taliban, they don't like the US. They just

633
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 3: want to be left alone.

634
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: And they're gonna obviously side with whoever is going to

635
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: make their life the easiest. So if the Taliban comes

636
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: into town and they start, you know, if they start saying, hey,

637
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: we're going to kill your family unless you tell us

638
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: where the Americans are, They're going to tell them where

639
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: the Americans are. And then when the Americans come into town,

640
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: they're going to do the same thing for them. They're

641
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: just trying to survive, right, So they don't I don't

642
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: think a lot of them really care who's in power.

643
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 2: They just want to be left.

644
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 3: Alone, right, And that's what I'm saying, because like even

645
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 3: the power can't even really reach them unless they go

646
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 3: looking for these people, these tribes in these villages. So

647
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, Afghanist such a beautiful country, and

648
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: they do have beautiful people and beautiful eyes. And you know,

649
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: I've seen time life photos of you know, these photos

650
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 3: of these women over there that are just like war stricken.

651
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 3: Their eyes show million miles stare.

652
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, I mean, think about somebody who's

653
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: my age, I'm almost thirty five that grew up in

654
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: Afghanistan has pretty much been at war their entire lives.

655
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 2: I mean it's all they know, right, they just know war.

656
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 3: Even me, I'm forty six, so seventy seven, right, I

657
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 3: mean the Russians came in seventy nine.

658
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 2: Right, It's like in the eighties, yep. So I mean

659
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: there's just always been conflict. There probably always will be

660
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: conflict there.

661
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 3: Even Rambo did a Rambo three where he was in Afghanistan,

662
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 3: and you know, at the very end of it he

663
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 3: says special thank you to the beautiful people of Afghanistan

664
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 3: because he filmed that whole thing in Afghanistan, and the

665
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 3: same kick and rush his ass.

666
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah I gotta go.

667
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, they play he plays the actual goat game where

668
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 3: they grab the goat on the horses and they're racing

669
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 3: each other and they throw it in the circle. So

670
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 3: if you go watch Rambo three Sylvester Stallone, dude, I

671
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 3: think you'll like it. Okay, yeah on my list now, yeah, dude,

672
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: because not only is he ripped right, it's Rambo dude.

673
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: Oh man, oh I love that. I love it.

674
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 3: I've seen them all, of course I have. I'm an

675
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 3: aged child due. So yeah, is there anything you're going

676
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 3: to be doing. Furthermore, you're going to be writing more

677
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 3: about your you know, life and death of Abby Gate

678
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 3: and all this, what's going on? You got other books,

679
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 3: we'll say, focused on this.

680
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm certainly still focused on Afghanistan. I

681
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: have a podcast called The Afghanistan Project podcast that I

682
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: do with an amazing co host named Beth Bailey, who's

683
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: a reporter for Fox News and Washington Examiner, and you know,

684
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: we it kind of started as a as a place

685
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: to educate people still stuck in Afghanistan as to what

686
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: their pathways might be as far as what visas they

687
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: might qualify for, because dude, it's so complicated. I remember

688
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: the first time I started going into the down the

689
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: SIV rabbit hole, just trying to figure out what documents

690
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 2: might be required for Abdul Muhammad. As an American English speaker,

691
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: it's a disaster. It's so hard to figure out what

692
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: to do as an Afghan that maybe speaks a little English,

693
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: almost certainly doesn't read or write English. Some of them

694
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: can't even read and write in their own language. I mean,

695
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 2: it's literally impossible. So we really wanted to do something

696
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: to try to help those people understand what pathways they

697
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: qualify for. So that's kind of how it started. It's

698
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: evolved into a little bit more than that. Now. We

699
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: talk to a lot of people that have served in Afghanistan,

700
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 2: people that served at Abbey Gate, talk a lot about

701
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: moral injury as to what these troops went through during

702
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 2: the evacuation. But yeah, we're still doing that and I

703
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: think that's something that we'll continue to do so again

704
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 2: in the Afghanistan Project podcast. And then we'll see, you know,

705
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: I'm focused on this book right now. It's just coming

706
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: out right now, so I think I'll, you know, focus

707
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: on this a little longer, maybe take a break, and

708
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: then we'll see if I might write something again. So

709
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: and we'll see.

710
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 3: You think, do you think any Afghans are trying to

711
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 3: come in through the southern border as immigrants right now?

712
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 3: Yes they are, and uh, do you think that they

713
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 3: should be able to I think that just yes or no?

714
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I think the people that qualify for an

715
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: SIV should be allowed to enter the country. I'm not

716
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: saying that they should be able to have their SIV.

717
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

718
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 3: What if they don't have their SIV. What if it's

719
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 3: your friend, your buddy that translated for you and he

720
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 3: needs to get into the US. Are we going to

721
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 3: allow him to immigrate into the US just like that.

722
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: That's a tough one.

723
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 3: No, I want to answer. Come on, you got friends

724
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 3: at Fox, let's go. I want to get from that.

725
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: I would say, yes, people that serve the United States

726
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: deserve to be here.

727
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, okay, okay, facet yeah right, okay, So even

728
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 3: the wife of that person deserves absolutely person.

729
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: You don't want to be separating family. That doesn't make

730
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 2: any sense. You don't want to bring the men here

731
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: and have the women and children stuck in Afghanistan. So yes,

732
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: I think anybody that served the United States of America

733
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: in a war zone should have safe passage the United

734
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: States one hundred percent.

735
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, exactly, and especially if they're coming out of

736
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 3: Afghanistan because look, look what we're going over there and doing, right,

737
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 3: going over there and snagging dudes and bringing them back

738
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 3: into the US just to be here, right, and just

739
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 3: saying hey, just stay low, lay low, you know, like,

740
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 3: don't worry about the wall. We'll just get you on

741
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 3: an airplane to fly you over it, right, I mean,

742
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 3: that's what. Let's talk about that, right, Because everybody's so

743
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 3: obsessed with the southern border and like people coming into

744
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 3: the country, But here we are trying to get people

745
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 3: into the country any anyway from Afghanistan.

746
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 2: Is that any different? Sure? Yeah, makes sense. I mean yeah,

747
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 2: like I said, anybody that we made a promise to

748
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: these people and then we bailed on them. And during

749
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 2: the Doha Talks, we were negotiating directly with the Taliban.

750
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: We didn't even allow the Afghan government in on the discussion, which.

751
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 3: Is talking at the Joha talks. Do you know, do

752
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 3: you recall who that was at the Doha talks? What

753
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 3: like who physically donder there? I mean the State what administration?

754
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 3: Are you referencing State Department for the most part, which

755
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 3: under what administration?

756
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: Though? Of the Doha Talks? What do you mean what administration.

757
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 3: Are you referencing for the Doha talks When we had

758
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 3: the Doha talks and it all fell apart. What was

759
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 3: the administration where it all fell apart? Was that the

760
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 3: Biden or was that the Trump administration? Oh?

761
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: I see what you're saying. Well, it didn't necessarily fall

762
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 2: apart because we made an agreement with the Taliban, So

763
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 2: the Doha agreement. Who made the agreement?

764
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 3: That was Trump? Yeah, that was Trump. So he made

765
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 3: the Doha agreement excluded the Afghan government from those talks,

766
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 3: which was complete bullshit, right, So we're negotiating straight with

767
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 3: the Taliban for people that were not including on the talks,

768
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 3: and we're going to leave them there. It reminds me

769
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 3: of of of Iraq when we sent over an ambassador

770
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 3: who didn't know any Arabic whatsoever, and he dismantled the

771
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 3: army and the Bath Party when they were supposed to

772
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 3: use the army to defend Iraq and he's like, you're

773
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 3: all fired, you're all fired. And I don't even speak

774
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 3: your language. It's like, yeah, man, that's why I'm wondering, Like,

775
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 3: you know, like we see you know, I want to

776
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 3: see a president that speaks the language.

777
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, i'd like to see that.

778
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 3: I'd like to see that, you know, just like, hey man,

779
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 3: Spanish is cool, you know Canadian?

780
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: Hey speak something other than BS. Yeah, you know.

781
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 3: To us because we sit here and watch this, you

782
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 3: have you know, I have friends that have gone over

783
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 3: and been beaten to get people out. You've had friends

784
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 3: that have gone over and sacrificed their lives to get

785
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 3: their friends out that help them. You know, you mentioned

786
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: people like Tim Kennedy. He's Special Forces right, green beret.

787
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 3: You know, he probably had translators and friends who were

788
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 3: helping him in Afghanistan while he was doing all that stuff.

789
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,439
Speaker 3: You know, how could you not want that friend of yours.

790
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 3: I have a friend I'm not going to say who

791
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 3: it is, Northern Alliance commander, right, and I'm just not

792
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 3: one of And I'm just going to say I know

793
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 3: he's here and he's happy, and you know, he did

794
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 3: his time with working with the US in the time

795
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 3: and now he's back in the US. So I'm happy

796
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 3: for him and his family and his large family.

797
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I know what you're talking about.

798
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 3: But here in Utah, Yeah, well, yeah, I still want

799
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 3: to give him out, you know, But sure, he's a

800
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 3: great dude. Whish I'm happy birthday. I'm friends with him

801
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: and nice. Yeah, you know, and no one would ever

802
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 3: recognize him because he just sits around, maybe kind of

803
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 3: being the janitor someplace there. You go, you're like, oh really, yeah, yes,

804
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: commander speaking of the Northern Alliance. And you know what, now,

805
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 3: the Northern Alliance is kind of the NRF, the National

806
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 3: Resistance Front. So the Northern Alliance was led by a

807
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 3: commander Masud, who was murdered by al Qaeda on September tenth,

808
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 3: I believe, two thousand and one, so one day before

809
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: nine to eleven, because the al Qaeda knew that he

810
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 3: was going to be the you know, United States ally

811
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: here in Afghanistan. So now that the Taliban has taken

812
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 3: over his son, the new commander Masud is now in

813
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 3: charge of the National Resistance Front, so, which is kind

814
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 3: of like Northern Alliance two point zero, and they're the

815
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 3: they're fighting the Taliban currently, So they're the only group

816
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 3: that I know of that's currently actually engaged in combat

817
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 3: against the Taliban trying to take Afghanistan back.

818
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: For the people. So I had the privileg to be

819
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: able to get fly over to Vienna actually and meet

820
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: him and spend three days with the with the NRF

821
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 2: for an article I was writing, and you know, I

822
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: got to spend some time with him, and he was

823
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: very educated. He had a very professional vibe about him.

824
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 2: I left there believing that he wants the best for

825
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 2: the people of Afghanistan and he wants to take back

826
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 2: the country and give the power back to the people.

827
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 2: So it's a very unique and cool experience to be

828
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 2: able to, you know, go meet him and spend some

829
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: time with them. So, I you know, as far as

830
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 2: I know, the US government isn't backing him. I think

831
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 2: they should at least have some open dialogue with them,

832
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 2: but so far I don't think there is any. But

833
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: I hope that they're you know, able to accomplish their

834
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: goals and defeat the Talban. There's probably some Red Cell

835
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: team out there, probably, I mean, I'm sure they're communicating

836
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: with the CIA or something. But who knows.

837
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 3: Somebody's drinking Nike will and going to sleep at night

838
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 3: with a out of stuffy sneezy yeah, I think arrest medicine.

839
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: Someone's waking up in the morning.

840
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you that, dude, Holy cow, Wow,

841
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 3: So you're not gonna miss being in the army. You

842
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 3: don't think you're good with your six?

843
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 2: I'm good, I think. I mean, going through this whole

844
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 2: evacuation process, I think made me realize that I'm probably

845
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: more valuable as as just a normal citizen, as a civilian,

846
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: than I than I could be as an Army soldier,

847
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: because you know, the military here was really handcuffed when

848
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 2: it came to evacuation. I mean, I had generals calling

849
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 2: me asking for help getting people out from both the

850
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: Air Force from the Army, you know, so for them

851
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: to be calling a E six reservist for help, you know,

852
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 2: really put it in perspective for me that I think

853
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: there's a lot more I can do as a civilian

854
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: than I can serving in uniform. So, you know, I

855
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 2: had my fun, I did my deployment, loved every second

856
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 2: of it. But I'm ready to move on.

857
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, really, I mean it's it's it's just something

858
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: that makes you who you were or who you are today.

859
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 3: It's just a path, stepping stepping platform. And we talked

860
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 3: about you construction, doing construction in the military, but with

861
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 3: an M four and then you know, yeah, I mean,

862
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 3: so were you guys setting up like all the tents

863
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 3: at the bases and everything like that, and putting up

864
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 3: all of those poles with the extenders that kept the

865
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 3: you know, were you the ones that just kept the

866
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 3: snow from coming off the tents? Because you know, we

867
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 3: have a war game field out here, and it was

868
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 3: all set up by these guys and it was beautiful.

869
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 3: But the snow hit and they just left it and

870
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 3: they didn't maintain their fob out there, and it just

871
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 3: the snow finally caved in. The poles bent.

872
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 2: But so you need to help, brother.

873
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 3: It takes a whole dedicated team of people just to

874
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 3: knock snow off the tents, let alone.

875
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 2: That's you know, one of the worst things I think

876
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 2: for a soldier going out to the field is setting

877
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: up those damn tents. Those things suck. Just such a

878
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 2: pain in the ass.

879
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,959
Speaker 3: My friends, like, you don't want to buy these ones.

880
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 3: They suck. Get the other model. It's like another NSN number.

881
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 3: He's like, there's two types. He's like, we bought both types,

882
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 3: and that one's over there like with all of its

883
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 3: poles and like some spider formation and just like left alone.

884
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 3: And then the other one's all set up like Glory

885
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 3: and I was like, okay, I forgot.

886
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: What style that was.

887
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 3: But he's like, make sure you get that nice.

888
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, good Lucke. Yeah yeah.

889
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 3: The things we do, we go hard out here for

890
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 3: war games. You know, we have that type of inform

891
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 3: you know, environment, you.

892
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: Know all that.

893
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 3: You know.

894
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 2: I would love to come check that out.

895
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 3: We just had one hundred men operation yesterday at this

896
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 3: place called Millsim City out here, and it's a four

897
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: acre house to house. There's like bust broken down out

898
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 3: in the desert. It's all you know in this environment,

899
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 3: and you just boo boom, boom, bo boom, you know,

900
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 3: just the whole time. And what you do is you

901
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 3: go get these like green home depot sprinkler flags. Team

902
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: A has to put them in every building. Team B

903
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 3: has to stop them from putting them into every building.

904
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: Okay yeah.

905
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 3: And so once it's done and you can know that

906
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 3: building is now like you know, occupied by the other guys,

907
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 3: you can no longer go in there. It's considered off limits.

908
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 3: It's just legit. And these guys like you, guys like me,

909
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 3: young kids, women, children, they all play. It's a good

910
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 3: time out in the desert of war games and high

911
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 3: fives and getting it out of your system. Some people

912
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 3: can never join they have asthma or you know, they

913
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 3: were born premature and they.

914
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 2: Have a bad eyeball. But bro Dude's Captain America. Yeah right,

915
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 2: everyone wants to have that experience.

916
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: He's like Team Wendy Helmet, you know, everything all legit.

917
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, you won't let me serve fine Airsoft,

918
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 3: let's go. Yeah, it's their chance to be on an

919
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 3: ODA team out there and working with guys from odas. Yeah, sure,

920
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 3: who are just like what do they do after they

921
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 3: get out? You know, they're like, okay, well let's go

922
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 3: play some Airsoft?

923
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: What is this?

924
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 3: Well this is fun And the next thing you know,

925
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 3: they got the gloves all clipped on their belt and

926
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: they're walking around. Hell yeah, I'll try to dress up

927
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 3: like you. You know what I'm saying. Staffs aren't so Yeah.

928
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 3: I need to check that out. Yeah yeah you should.

929
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: And if you if my listener's interested in Airsoft because

930
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 3: they want to go, you know, find something where there's

931
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 3: some camaraderie, you can check out Utah Airsoft on Facebook.

932
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 3: That's one of our pages and we have a lot

933
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 3: of you know, positive information for the sport on there,

934
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 3: and if you have any questions about it, you can

935
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 3: find out where to play local areas on your on

936
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 3: the internet just google Airsoft. But yeah, I mean you're

937
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 3: in Michigan, right, Yeah, there's a huge scene there for warmes. Yes,

938
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 3: there is, Yes, there is. Yes, dad grew up sure, yeah,

939
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 3: my dad grew up on Lake Michigan. But in a

940
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 3: in a in Wisconsin, Okay, in a place right there

941
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 3: on the border there.

942
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's a beautiful state here, man. We got

943
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 2: a lot of lakes. If you can put up with

944
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 2: the winter, it's a nice place to live. You guys

945
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 2: got mountains, No, no, no, we got lakes. What's the

946
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 2: snow sport out there? Everyone plays hockey. I grew up

947
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 2: playing hockey here, played my whole life. Still play. So yeah,

948
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 2: when the lakes freeze, everyone goes to place hockey or you know,

949
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: go ice fishing. It's about the only two things you

950
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 2: can do in the winter here. That's the sport out

951
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 2: there here in Utah.

952
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 3: You know you've got snowboarding, skiing, snow biking, bro snow bike.

953
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 2: Sweet, Yeah we see those. Yeah, I've seen it. I've

954
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 2: never done. It looks fun.

955
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 3: Oh they're going hard now They're like there's backflips and

956
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 3: they're just like doing all these different you know, it's

957
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 3: just gonna happen. We'll just see in the Olympics in

958
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 3: ten years or so. Yeah, sure, when Utah kids did. Yeah, Well,

959
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: what would you like what would you like to leave

960
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 3: my listener with? What's your what's your thoughts? And I'll

961
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 3: give you a few minutes, you know, to sound off

962
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 3: on something. Let me let's hear it.

963
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I mean so many things, I guess I

964
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: think the number one thing would be that, you know,

965
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 2: the Afghanis stand evacuation is two years past us, but

966
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: it's not over. We still have. The last estimate I

967
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 2: think that came out from No One Left Behind, which

968
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: is an NGO working to help Afghans get out of

969
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,720
Speaker 2: the country, was that we still had about two hundred

970
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: thousand SIV applicants, so Special Immigrant Visa applicants that these

971
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 2: are people that supported the United States during the twenty

972
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 2: year war and we're promised protection. Still two hundred thousand

973
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: of them are left behind. There's only a small amount

974
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: of visas left, so not all of them are going

975
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: to get here. Not even a frack of them are

976
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: going to be able to get over here. So it's

977
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: not over. The evacuation is still ongoing. There are bills

978
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 2: going through Congress. One is the Afghan Adjustment Act, which

979
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 2: is currently stalled still I believe. But you know, if

980
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: you want to support, call up here your local leadership,

981
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 2: tell them you want to support the Afghan Adjustment Act

982
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 2: and help give safe passage to these people that bled

983
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: with America for so many years, instood shoulder to shoulder

984
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 2: with us on our deployments. So that's what I would

985
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 2: encourage you to do. Also, yeah, you can check if

986
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 2: you're interested in my book, it's called Life and Death

987
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: at Abvigate Again. You can find it anywhere Amazon, Barnes

988
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: and Noble, my website Michael Cook dot com. And also

989
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: check out our podcast, the Afghanistan Project Podcast anywhere you

990
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 2: find your podcasts. I love that.

991
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 3: No, that's that's wonderful and it really does. You know,

992
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 3: you should have safe passage. There should be safe passage

993
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 3: for them to come here. I'm a big believer in that.

994
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 3: You know, boil boy, you know, it's America. We are

995
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 3: melting pot, and I just think that you know, if

996
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: you make.

997
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 2: It here, then you can.

998
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: You know, they they see gold, old roads man. That's

999
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 3: what people are told, you know.

1000
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: It's like.

1001
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: And a friend of mine is like, well, we're going

1002
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 3: to give him all these free things, and I'm like,

1003
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 3: that's what they think is the American dream. They're going

1004
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 3: to get here and they're going to say, I get

1005
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 3: some bread and something to eat versus political prosecution and

1006
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 3: persecution for just being outspoken. Yeah, we're so lucky to

1007
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 3: live in this land.

1008
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. One more thing I'll add is, you know Abdul,

1009
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: one of my friends that got here, main character in

1010
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 2: the book. He has a little daughter. And I remember

1011
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 2: when he first called me when the Taliban was on

1012
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 2: the door of Koobol. He facetimed me and he had

1013
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 2: his little daughter, baby daughter in his lap. And I

1014
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 2: was actually sitting right where I am right now in

1015
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 2: my kitchen, and I'm standing with my mother and or facetiming,

1016
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: and I remember my mom just like started crying because

1017
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: she realized that this little girl's future was gone. I mean,

1018
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 2: this little girl was not going to grow up and

1019
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: have an education or have a job. She was going

1020
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 2: to leave the house without a male coort or without

1021
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: her face covered. I mean, all those things that you

1022
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 2: already mentioned. And at that point, like I didn't realize

1023
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: there's anything I could do to help them. I didn't

1024
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: know what the special immigrant vistial process was. I didn't

1025
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: know about digital Dunkirk, didn't know about anything. And just

1026
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 2: to know that this little girl's life was over before

1027
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 2: it even started with so heartbreaking. So to have them

1028
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 2: here in Michigan. You know, they lift thirty minutes from me,

1029
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 2: so I go over there for dinner Afghan dinner is amazing.

1030
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 2: But to have them, yeah, the food spectacular, But to

1031
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 2: be able to watch them go play soccer and go

1032
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 2: to school, and they're all the there's how many kids

1033
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 2: are there now, six kids between the two families and

1034
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 2: six families. They're finally the older kids just picked up

1035
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: English like fluently, finally, so I'm able to have conversations

1036
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 2: with English with them. It's just so special to me,

1037
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 2: and it means the world. But just to know that

1038
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: they're here safe and they're going to have a future

1039
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 2: when that future was essentially ripped away from them, it

1040
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: means everything to me. So I'm just I'm so lucky

1041
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 2: because I know so many people that tried to get

1042
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 2: their interpreters out, trying to get their allies out, weren't

1043
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: able to do so, and those people are still stuck there.

1044
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 2: So I know that I'm the lucky one that we

1045
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 2: were able to be successful and get them over here.

1046
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: So just so thankful for everyone that assisted us in

1047
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 2: that evacuation.

1048
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 3: Well, kudos to you, and kudos to your co author.

1049
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 3: Drop their name one more time, Robert Conlin.

1050
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, if you're looking to write a book and

1051
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: you need some assistance like I did, I don't come

1052
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: from a writing background, so knew I needed a little

1053
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: help getting my words down on the page, call this

1054
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 2: guy up, Robert Conlin. If you need his contact information,

1055
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,479
Speaker 2: just hit me up. Great dude, great writer. He's also

1056
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 2: a veteran and it was a privilege to work with him.

1057
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 2: I just wanted to give him a shout out. You

1058
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

1059
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 3: It's one hundred percent, Michael. I know I got you

1060
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 3: on the show, and it's it's it's been a pleasure.

1061
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 3: Thanks for coordinating yourself to be here on such a

1062
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 3: busy Sunday. And I hope my listener really gets some

1063
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 3: open minded thought process here about like you know, safe

1064
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 3: passage for these folks that worked with our military and

1065
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 3: our policies from the politicians politicians out there that are

1066
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 3: putting these people's lives in all of these jeopardies, right,

1067
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 3: they deserve a little bit of like a pat on

1068
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 3: the back from you. Don't just dismay them out into

1069
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 3: never never land, Okay. So I'm yeah, simple as that, okay.

1070
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 3: And I just want to show my listener that you

1071
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 3: can meet somebody that you've never never met before and

1072
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 3: have a decent conversation with them in this life, okay,

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Speaker 3: And so you continue to be a positive steward of

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Speaker 3: who you are in this world. And on behalf of

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Speaker 3: It'll be posted up in our description. Thanks to my

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Speaker 3: I really thank you for the job every single time.

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Speaker 3: So on behalf of Taylor Kansas City Chiefs forty nine ers.

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Speaker 3: Have a fun Super Bowl and I hope.

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Speaker 2: I picked the score. Let's just see it up all right.

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