WEBVTT - Thybulle's, Shayok's College Coaches Call In 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:03.119 The seventy Sixers definitely had their eyes on the target 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:05.680 in the first round of this year's draft, and they 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:08.879 got him Batistible out of Washington. I think you guys 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:11.000 understand athlete that dru did who he didn't do a 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:14.080 lot of workouts for the draft. I will guarantee he 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:16.600 will turn heads and you guys, is the first thing 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:18.920 that he's on the floor, they will say, wow, I 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:21.200 didn't know it was like that. Then in the second round, 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:25.480 the club grabbed another veteran prospect, Mariel shaff He's made 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:27.800 a great jumps in the last two years. Now he's 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:29.920 gonna have more time to put into it is what 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:32.160 he can do the next couple of years. We talked 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:35.199 to two coaches of the Sixers two draft picks on 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:43.640 this episode of the broadcast A busy Draft night, it 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:47.120 was for the seventy sixers. They entered the evening with 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:51.040 five picks, ended it with two, but no doubt they 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:55.160 believe in the guys. They got Latistival at the twentieth 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:59.280 slot and Mariel Shayak at pick number fifty four and 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:02.120 Brian Sell hope you are doing great. Thank you as 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:05.240 always for checking out the podcast. We're gonna speak with 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:08.240 Will Conroy, a former NBA player who also played at 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:11.200 the University of Washington and he coached Thible there the 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:14.400 last four years as an assistant, and also Steve Prome, 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.080 the head coach at Iowa State who had Mariol Shayak 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:20.959 in his program last season. Before we get started, some 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:23.440 reminders that to find our podcast, you can go to 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:28.640 just about any podcasting platform that's out there, Apple Podcasts, 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:35.959 Google Podcasts, SoundCloud, Stitcher, tune in, spreaker, type in Sixers 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:38.440 Podcast Network and that will take you to our feed. 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:42.319 And please do subscribe if you have not yet done so. Already. 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:47.000 Conversations with Will Conroy and Steve prom coming up, But 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:49.880 first I wanted to play back some sound from draft 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:55.240 night or what became early the next day, Draft morning, 0:01:56.160 --> 0:02:00.800 going from Thursday, June twentieth into Friday, June twenty. It 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:03.680 was a long night for general manager Elton Brand and 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.560 the seventy sixers, just because they had to wait for 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:09.600 the trade call with the Boston Celtics to be finalized 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:12.880 before they could formally announce that they had acquired Matisse 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:16.680 Thybal with the twentieth overall pick. The Sixers also got 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:18.840 Mariel Shayak, a guy who they had in for a 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:22.400 workout at the start of the pre draft period. So 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:25.280 here's Elton brand the night of the draft talking about 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:30.560 the seventy sixers two acquisitions Thible and Shayok Matisse. Eventually 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:32.440 he's going to take time, but I see him cracking 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:36.680 that that front end of our rotation. Mariol He's definitely 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:38.720 gonna be part of our organization. We look forward to him, 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:40.720 you know, being a part of us. They're they're young, 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:44.440 they're talented, so I feel good about it. Both Thible 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:49.040 and Shaok do seem to have some parallel traits and characteristics. 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:54.520 Three in D veteran college players, high character guys. Certainly 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:58.840 Thiable well known for his defense. The National Defensive Player 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:02.040 of the Year last season in his final go round 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:04.959 at Washington, led the country with one hundred and twenty 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:08.600 six steals. He had in top ten individual defensive rating 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:12.400 in Division one NC DOUBLEA. So Thible he is ready 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:14.760 for this next step. It has been quite the journey 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:17.640 for him, and he reflected on that upon his arrival 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:20.600 at the training complex last Friday. It might feel even 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:23.040 more like a dream now, like walking through the facility, 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:25.880 and it's crazy to say because you, I mean, you 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.280 always imagine, you dream of being in this position, but 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:31.760 to actually be there is pretty surreal. Thible and the 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.840 limited time that we were around him here in Camden 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:38.520 last week, he just always seemed to be smiling, amazing 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.800 kid with great perspective and a skill set that the 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:45.200 seventy sixers really like. You could say the same about 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:48.760 Mariel Shayok as well. He started his college career at 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:53.520 UVA under Tony Bennett. He then transferred in two seventeen, 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:56.680 sat out that season while with Iowa State, got on 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.040 the court last year and had a breakout season. So 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:03.120 here's shayoksly after arriving at the Sixers facility, playing for 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:06.120 Uba and I was stay was definitely a blessing. Playing 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.680 under two great coaches and great programs. I was able 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.520 to learn and hopefully I can use those both of 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:14.640 those experience and take into the next level. Between Shayak 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:16.840 and Thible seventy six ers field, they've got a couple 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:18.840 of players who might be able to compete for spots 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:21.920 in the rotation. That can certainly be said for the 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:25.160 number twenty pick Thible. Why don't we bring on right now. 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:27.600 A guy who coached him all four years at Washington 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:32.039 between two coaching staffs, Lorenzo Romar, first for thibles freshman 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.640 and sophomore seasons and then most recently Mike Hopkins for 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:39.480 Thible's junior and senior campaigns. His name is Will Conroy. 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:43.040 He was an all time great playing at Washington. He 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:46.360 then was in the pros in the NBA overseas, had 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.400 a front office stint with the Minnesota Timberwolves, and he 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:53.360 is now an assistant coach with Washington. All right, Will 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:56.720 Money tell us about Matisse. What I'll say is off 0:04:56.720 --> 0:05:01.280 the court, you are getting a guy who is if 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:04.520 if you're looking for a guy that you will be 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:07.400 okay to date your daughter, that will be Matief Kinder. 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:09.800 There's no higher praise than now. I mean, he is 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:13.120 honorable as they come. I've never seen him seat a 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:16.440 line and down and back. Even if he doesn't get 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:18.320 the time, if you would like him to get, he 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:21.440 just rather do it right, you know, every single time, 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:24.960 than to try to cheat it. And that's who he is. 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:29.680 He's a He's a stand up guy for things that's right. 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.400 He doesn't hesitate to speak his mind. If if he 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:37.239 doesn't think guys are doing the right things. He's a giver. 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:41.239 He wants to see everyone around him do well. And 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:46.920 he's just an unbelievable kid. It really seems in the 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:48.800 little time that we've gotten to be around him here 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:53.480 in Philadelphia, he has the complete package from an intangible standpoint, 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:56.359 from a skill set standpoint. And I'm sure you guys 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.120 noticed this two in Washington. To me, the first thing 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:02.120 that jumps out to me is the guy never stops smiling. 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:07.160 He is smiling all the time. Oh yeah, he's appreciative man. 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:09.920 He is, you know from Tis. He's you know, he 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:11.960 came in here. The guy played center in high school. 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:16.800 He's a center at Eastside Catholic High School. And you know, 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:21.640 we took him here. You know, he he kind of 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:25.440 didn't understand what we wanted from him. He didn't understand. 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:27.440 And when he first got here, I told Hi about Simitis. 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:29.880 At some point, you could be the best defensive player 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.360 in the country, and he kind of fought it. He 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.120 kind of fought us on it. You know, he kind 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:37.320 of wanted to score. He did. The position for him 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:40.440 was raw, like playing the guard was raw. So he 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.120 would go too fast sometimes or go too slow. He's 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:45.560 just trying to figure it out. But what we knew 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:49.720 is if it ever clicked, then the world would see 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:54.279 what we saw. And by middle of his sophomore year, 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:57.200 you know, he really starts backing those steels up and 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:01.039 he started having fun playing defense. Junior year took off 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:03.680 playing defense and see her. You're obviously everybody found out 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:07.479 about him, so it was a pretty big time to 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.440 watch his maturation and the kids just that's why he's 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.360 always smiling. He's like he almost like, I can't believe 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:16.840 all this has happened for me totally. And it was 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:18.880 just a really neat moment to see him and his 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.559 father embrace when they got to the seventy sixers training 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.320 complex and his dad had the same vibe about him. 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:26.200 He just looked around and was like, Wow, I cannot 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:29.360 believe that this dream finally came to fruition. I mean, 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:32.120 there's no doubt the seventy sixers targeted Matisse because of 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.520 his defensive capabilities. Elton Brand called him the best wing 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.040 in the draft. I wanted to ask you two prompt 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.840 questions about the defense with Matisse, going back to what 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.040 you just said, you had the vantage point of seeing 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:46.480 him for his entire career at Washington. What initially did 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:49.120 you guys see in him that led you to believe 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:52.040 that he could evolve the way he did defensively, and 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:54.480 then how did you ultimately sell him on and how 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:56.680 did you make playing that side of the floor fun 0:07:56.800 --> 0:08:00.560 for him something that he could buy into well? Amatically, 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:05.240 he his athleticism jumps off the charts. He's talking about 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.720 a guy who was agile as anyone in the draft, 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:10.480 could jump as high as anyone probably beside Zion in 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:15.480 the draft. And his instincts are ridiculous. I mean, you 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:17.920 talk about a cornerback that can cut off one side 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:22.520 of the field. Literally, Teams would not run their offense 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:24.600 if it had if he was on the side of 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:26.400 the zone, they would not run their off They would 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:29.920 not additiate office that way. And you knew it was 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:31.880 bad when that practice he was he was still the 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:35.400 ball from the our backup point guard who's playing with 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:39.559 him all year. So you start to see that stuff 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.439 and you're like, man, that's not normal. And then for me, 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:44.880 you know, I'm having a chance to play me around 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.559 some of the top athletes of the world playing in 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.560 the pros. When I start to see some of his 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:54.480 athletic ability, I was like, man, that dude was one 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:56.640 of the most athletic people in the world, not just 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:01.160 not just basketball. And then our track coach came from Texas, 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:03.960 I mean, our strength coach came from Texas and he 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:08.280 was working with track at at Tech at Texas. And 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.160 then when he said this, and I was like, Okay, 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:13.600 I thought I was I knew I wasn't crazy. The 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:17.160 track coach says, if I trained Matisse for a month, 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:22.520 he can win it too. Cathalan, No, really, he said, 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.000 he is in that percentage of athlete in the world. 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.959 Amazing because over here, you guys understand athlete that you're 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.040 getting like because he hasn't. We didn't. He didn't do 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:35.800 a lot of workouts for the draft. I will guarantee 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:39.480 he will turn heads and you guys is first thing 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:42.120 that he's on the floor, they will say, wow, I 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.400 didn't know it was like that. It's interesting. Was there 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:47.400 are a couple of things that were going on here 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:49.079 in the run to the draft. Not only like you said, 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:51.560 did Matisse not do a ton of workouts for the 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.319 fans here in Philadelphia. They also didn't have a ton 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:57.800 of opportunities to see you guys the Huskies play over 0:09:57.800 --> 0:09:59.920 the past couple of years because the time zone difference 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:02.160 and all that. So I think that has added to 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:07.480 the intrigue surrounding Matisse's profile as well his instincts. How 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:10.480 did you fine tune those over the course of his 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:15.360 time with the team? Defensively? You know what, you don't 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.800 really get a chance to fine tune them. What you 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:19.960 do as you watch film with him and you and 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:22.920 you let him see like, uh, because he's so good 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:28.319 at it and he creates so much havoc that you know, 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:31.800 he takes chances, and when you take chances, sometimes he 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:33.280 can hurt the He can hurt us in a in 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:35.000 a position where he can put us in a position. 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:37.160 But it got to a point, to be honest with you, 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:38.960 it got to a point where we were just like, 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.680 let Matisse be Matis and then we all just cover 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:45.400 for it. You know, you don't you don't try to 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:49.480 put a bottle cap on that. It's something that Brett 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:51.480 Brown with the seventy six ers, he talked about this 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.680 past season with a guy like Jimmy Butler. Yeah, there's 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.000 roles within the defense, but sometimes when you have someone 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:58.920 who's got the gifts and the sense and the anticipation, 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.920 you just let them run their own course to a 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.480 certain degree, and like you said, cover ground where you 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:07.400 need to cover ground, there's no question. And he's got 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:12.080 the speed and the agility to do it. I mean, 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.320 the guy. Another thing that we had, we have a 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:20.200 mild test, and this is another. There's another thing. We 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:23.120 had a mild test now and that's a mild test. 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:25.840 The guards have to make it in five thirty. The 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:27.800 bigs have to make it in five thirty five. That's 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:32.600 our that's our season opener to telephone. Guys have been 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:35.920 working out over the guys are in fake I made 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:39.520 the mile in five. My fastest time was five fifteen. 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:43.960 Nate Robinson was five, like thirteen, five twelve. Okay, we 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.400 kind of helped. I think maybe one guy broke the record, 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:49.240 which was like five or nine. Latisse made the mile 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:56.839 in four fifty five. Wow, that's outrageous. Four fifty five. 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.920 And as he finished, the guy just walked off like 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.520 he didn't bend over. He just walked off like Hoodo 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:07.120 was kind of tough. That's incredible. I mean, he does 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:09.640 seem it again, This is just first impressions on this end, 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.800 like a guy who really can't be phased by much. 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:16.120 Obviously everything that he's gone through on the personal side 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:19.400 of things, he seems to have a great maturity about him, 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:23.200 someone who can persist in persevere. We heard from his 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:25.920 father the day he was introduced with the seventy six 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.880 ers after the draft, and his dad said that their 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:34.360 family has this acronym GDI goddamn individual, which is to mean, 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:36.760 you know, they raised matis to try and be this 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:42.480 independent person, someone who can be proactive and find his 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:44.840 own way. That seems like it's carried through in a 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:47.679 bunch of different aspects of his life. No, there's no 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.360 question he is a He is a guy who's not 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:54.320 going to follow the trend if he doesn't feel like 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:57.040 if he doesn't feel like it's been official to him, 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.480 he's just not his way. You know, He's just gonna 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.720 do what he believes is writ in his heart. He's 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.360 just gonna do that. And uh, you know, his dad 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.640 always said he's his mother's child and she was a 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:13.360 supergiver and she just wanted everybody around her to be great. 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.760 And dad always says that's that's that's his mother's child. 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.320 He said, yeah, he said the exact same thing when 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:23.000 we sat down with him. Um, tell me about the 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.960 transition that Matisse made along with the rest of the 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:29.040 team when you guys went from the defensive system you 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:32.200 ran under coach Romar to what coach Hopkins implemented with 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:36.320 the zone. Well, and this is I'm glad you asked 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:39.280 this question everyone before the draft, I took somebody calls 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:40.880 from NBA teams. They said, do you think you can 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:44.120 guard at the NBA level? And I said, well, Matisse 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:46.400 played man and man. His first two years, he led 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:49.839 the team in steals both years, right played man to man. 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:52.840 It's second year he led the conference and steals playing 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:55.160 manda man. You know, the only person that beat him 0:13:55.200 --> 0:14:00.240 his freshman year, I believe was Gary Payton GP two. So, uh, 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:03.360 the zone just gave him a home. You know. The 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:05.839 zone just put him in a home where he can 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:09.680 kind of just sit back and read eyes. So that's 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.160 when you've seen his numbers just double up. You know, 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.120 a man and man you're more responsible for a guy. Um, 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:18.600 the zone just kind of gave him a home to 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:24.160 just like really rereak havoc. Everyone focuses on the defensive 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.240 side of the game for Matisse, understandably so given what 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:29.760 he did. What were your impressions of him as far 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:33.720 as his offensive development of the last four years, Well, 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:37.560 it's great for Matis. That's an NBA game has transitioned 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:42.560 into you know, if you're not if you're not listen, 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:44.320 Let's say, and you guys in this case of Bench 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:46.480 Simmons or Joel and be someone who's gonna have the 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.720 ball in their hands, you know the majority of the game. Uh, 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.560 you want guys who can make an open shot, who 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.640 can drive a close out, who can make a right 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:57.400 decision with the ball, and a guy who can guard 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.120 the game. The NBA has just transitioned that way. So 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.280 as an NBA start transitioning that where I thought Matistes 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:07.920 would be a gold product for any team, and that's 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:09.840 he can do that. He can make open shots, he 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:11.920 can drive the clothes out and finish above the rim, 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:15.080 and then he can guard. He can switch one through three, 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.360 one through four in the in the NBA game, So 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.080 you know, if you can see guys like Trevor Reza 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.720 who aren't really close to Matisses is a six nine, 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.320 six eight like Trevor, but I mean he's got a 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:28.960 seven one wingspan with a forty one is vertical at 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:35.240 six six, So not a bad profile to have, not 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.480 at all. And you're a guy who you not only 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.760 had a terrific career playing for Washington, you were in 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.720 the pros in the NBA and the G League overseas. 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.240 You had some time in the front office within the 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:49.840 league as well. What did you learn over the chorus 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:51.480 and what do you continue to learn over the course 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:55.680 of your current basketball about what makes a prospect the 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.600 college level, What sets a prospect of the college level 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:02.760 to have a solid, a good, great pro career. Well, 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.440 you kind of see what you look for is you 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:09.000 look for um, you look for fit. You know, either 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.560 you're gonna be either the NBA team like you as 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:15.560 a star. Uh. You know, usually those guys are guys 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.400 who that thing is kind of decided when they were 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:22.520 juniors and seniors in high school. You know, they start saying, well, 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.040 this guy is gonna be a franchise of an NBA team. 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.520 But then you have those guys who developed out of nowhere, 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:31.440 you know, and and really can help a team. And 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:34.400 when I've seen that with Matiss I've seen his how 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:36.360 he progressed. I said that dude's gonna be an NBA 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:39.040 basketball player. And then as the years went on and 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:41.320 got further and further, that dude was gonna be an 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:44.040 NBA for a long time. You know, actually, as the 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:47.520 skills start to refine, you start to say, now I 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.240 can really see where he can he can stand. And 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:54.360 obviously the NBA game has transitioned into a more of 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:58.480 a one guy has the ball, another guy's option be 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:02.480 than that option. See guy seeing the guy are very 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.720 instrumental on how you win, because you know, they have 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:07.359 to be able to make open shots to keep the 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:11.600 defense honest. And he can do that. And he can, 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:13.560 like I said, he can play defense on the other end. 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:17.240 So when you start to see that, he becomes gold 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:20.520 to teams. And that's why I knew he'd be he'd 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:24.960 be a solid pick draft pick. Seventy Sixers said going 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:28.080 into the draft they were looking for a mature college 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:30.879 prospect to acquire in the draft this year. 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Tony Roten is 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:56.280 you know, and and I spent some time with a 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:59.440 lot of time with Markuel Folds, So I've been familiar 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:01.720 with you guys as a personnel for the last few years, 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:05.280 maybe five or six years, So I know he can 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.479 do what you need him to do. I know you 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:11.959 guys made a good player out of Robert Covington, and 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:16.000 I thought Covington was a really solid defensively. But Matise 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:22.320 can actually like turnheads defensively. It's actually becomes laughable for 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:26.639 things that he does. Some high praise from one of 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:30.800 Matistible's assistant coaches in college, someone who's involved in breaking 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:34.000 him in to the Huskies from his freshman year. 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I 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:52.000 think you're getting a great, great person, great family, great character, 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.640 extremely hard work or fun to be around. And he's 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:59.800 an everyday guy, you know, humble going cool, but he 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:02.919 his best quality. I think he's just he's he's a 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:05.720 phenomenal worker and he's going to be great for the 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:08.879 culture there. How did you first connect with Mario? How 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:12.000 did he first come on your radar? You know, obviously 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:16.080 had three great years of Virginia, obviously great great respect 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:19.320 for Virginia and Tony Bennett's one of the elite coaches 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:23.920 in the country. But I think Mario, you know, kind 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:25.560 of got to a point there was like, you know, 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:29.199 how do I kind of take the next step to 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:31.680 get seen a little bit more and and and play 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:34.919 at a different pace offensively, And so he kind of 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:37.320 bet on himself, and you know, after three years, we 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:40.760 actually played him in the Sweet sixteen in two thousand 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:44.480 and sixteen. M and his Virginia team ended up getting 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:46.600 beating the Elite eight. But he had won a couple 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:49.280 of ye championships, he had you know, been to Elite eight, 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:52.320 and so he decided to transfer, and we jumped on 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:56.800 him right away and thought maybe he would go to Providence. 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:58.960 We were a little nervous about that, but there's a rule, 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:01.679 you know, he had rich had signed with Marquette, and 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:03.840 there's a rule you can double up in the Big East. 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:05.640 Once you signed with the big EAT school, you can't 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:08.000 sign with another one. And so he had a really 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:11.119 good relationship with it Cooley. But you know, we were 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:13.160 able to really recruit him hard and get him here 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:14.880 and he ended up visiting here, and then he ended 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:17.600 up visiting Liberty, which Richard McKay's there who coached him 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:20.359 at Virginia, you know, for a while as an assistant, 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:23.800 and we got him and you know, he sat out 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:26.080 and had a tremendous sit out year and then opposite 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:29.280 a terrific, terrific's eating year for us. So what goes 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:32.080 on behind the scenes during that red shirt transfer year 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:35.040 which was two thousand and seventeen, two and eighteen, that 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:38.359