WEBVTT - Mark-Paul Gosselaar 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.160 For me, I've been able. I mean yeah, I've just 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:06.040 been able to not look like the people that I 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:09.399 play on screen. And so I've lived this life where 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:12.000 I've tried it one time where I've walked into a 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:14.400 restaurant and go, yeah, we can't seet you. Hey, do 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:16.840 you know who I am? And they're like nope, And 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:19.639 I'm like, yep, that worked well, because yeah, why would 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:21.759 you know who I am? I don't look like you really, 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:31.720 I am Mark Baul Gostler, and I am completely off 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:36.360 the beat. They like that, don't you. Brian? You like that? 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:45.760 Welcome back, everybody. You right now are exactly where you 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:50.760 should be. You're here listening to Off the Beat with me, 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:55.120 your host, Brian Baumgartner. Today I have with me a 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:58.760 truly fantastic actor who also happens to be my friend 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:04.600 and my neighbor, Mark Paul Gossler. You all, most definitely 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:08.520 if you are between the ages of eighteen and fifty eight, 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:14.360 know him as the teen heartthrob Zach Morris from Saved 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:17.120 by the Bell. Yes, the very guy whose picture was 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:20.399 probably ripped out of an issue of Tiger Beat magazine 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.600 and taped to your bedroom wall or your sisters, or 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:26.360 your girlfriends or boyfriends, at least if you're of a 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:30.560 certain age. My producer, Emily actually, and this is true, 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:33.600 squealed when she heard that he was coming on the show. 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:36.400 He's got that kind of effect on people, even thirty 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:40.520 years later. But to be clear, Emily has never squealed 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:44.440 because I was going to be on the show. Since 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.440 he left the Halls of Bayside High Mark Paul, he's 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:50.960 worked on a really wide range of projects. Detective John 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:54.040 Clark on one of my favorite shows which I can't 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:57.960 wait for you to hear about today, NYPD Blue, Peter 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:01.520 Bash in the legal comedy Franklin and Bash. He's done 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:05.440 political dramas like Commander in Chief, The Captain of the Padres, 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:09.520 un pitched Stay at Home Dad on Kenya Barris' comedy 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:15.040 Mixed Dish, and most recently and currently, he is exploring 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:20.959 some downright creepy stuff as a deranged kidnapper on NBC's 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:26.000 Found He is fantastic and it has just been given 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:29.520 a season two. He's been in the business since he 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:31.720 was five years old and he's still finding ways to 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:36.280 challenge himself and show his versatility. I admire him so much. 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:39.639 He may be Zach Morris and Emily's heart, but guys, 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:42.120 he's a lot of other things too. And another thing 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.840 he is is a great podcast guest. I know you're 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:50.280 gonna love hearing from the talented, the handsome, the neighborly Mark, 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:51.960 Paul Gossler. 0:02:55.280 --> 0:03:02.919 Bubblin Squeak, I love it, Bubble and Squeig, Bubble and 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:07.840 Squeaker cook get every month lift over from the night before. 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:18.880 What's up, neighbor? 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:20.880 Hey, what's going on? 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:22.640 How are you? 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:26.359 I'm doing all right? I mean are you? Are you actually? 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:28.480 Are we in the same airspace. 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:31.200 Or were we are in the same airspace? Yes? If 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:34.839 if a helicopter passes above you, you will hear it 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:36.480 ten seconds later. 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.560 For me, if something were to go wrong in our area, 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:43.640 two national treasures would go down, what would what would America? 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:45.320 What would the world do? What? 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:49.800 It would be very very sad. I think you're a 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:52.880 national treasure. I'm I don't know what I am, but 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:56.440 I don't know about that. How are you liking it 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:57.360 down here? 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:01.600 You know? I I I can't put it into words, 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:08.200 which is not great for a podcast, But we feel 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:12.120 so fortunate that we are here. I am born and 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:16.440 raised in Los Angeles. I love California. There's a lot 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:19.080 of you know, there's a lot of negatives we could 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:22.240 point at California, but there's also a lot of positives. 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:25.719 And I think where we are down south here it 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:33.039 just embodies all the positives. Beautiful air, less people, more space. 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.359 My kids surfed during the week, you know, it's not 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.400 a you know, going to the beach when you were 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:42.240 in Los Angeles took pretty much the entire day. I 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:46.279 sometimes go, you know, after drop off of dropping our 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:48.440 kids off at school, I go do a session real quick. 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:50.360 I'm back by ten thirty. It's amazing have the rest 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.760 of the day to do other things which would take 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:57.120 a full day in Los Angeles. It just you realize 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:00.640 once you're out of there, out of the it's a city. 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:04.560 You know, we we forget that that Los Angeles because 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:08.159 it's so so suburban and it's so vast. You forget 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:12.400 you're actually in a city. It's why it feels that way, 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:13.440 It's why there's so many people. 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.400 Yeah, you told me a story when I first saw 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:21.560 you down here, which I was shocked about. But I 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:23.600 do want you to tell it here because I think 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:27.880 it's it's very very interesting. You and I were at 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:32.800 a fan convention together a number of years ago, and 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.800 as I'll set it up and and and you take 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:39.400 it from there my recollections. We arrived at the airport 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.080 and you were like, are you on you know, my 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:43.280 flight back back to. 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:46.400 LA And I, oh, the connection. That that's why the connection. 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:48.799 It was the connection. We had to make a connection, 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:52.159 I believe in Dallas and okay, all like there were 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.360 there were a few other people with us, and we 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:57.960 all went to the gate for La X. You went 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.320 somewhere else and I was like, wait, you not come 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.840 with us, so go ahead? Is that is that the story? Yeah? 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.600 Yeah, And I said, no, I'm going to San Diego. 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:10.080 I've moved down south. I don't live exactly in San Diego, 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.200 but you know, we lived down here. It's easy to 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:14.599 fly in San Diego. And I said it was the 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:19.760 best decision I ever made. Yeah, And you referenced this 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:22.400 story when we ran into each other and I had 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.320 heard rumors that you lived down here, but we hadn't 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:26.400 seen each other yet. 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:30.560 Well, because you told me the exact spot you were 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:35.240 in and I said, oh, yes, I'm familiar with that. 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:37.720 I've stayed in that area. There's a there's a beautiful 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:41.000 hotel in this area, and I've stayed at that hotel, 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:45.880 and that was you know, I worked here in San 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.200 Diego in twenty sixteen. I was on a show called Pitch. 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:52.479 We were the San Diego Padres. So we did a 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:55.279 lot of work at Petco Park, which is a phenomenal 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:59.880 park to watch a baseball game, concert venues like it 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.600 is state of the art, right, So you go there. 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.240 You could just go there for the food and drink. 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.320 It's just a great place. Getting in and out is easy. 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:12.200 It's just an easier lifestyle. And so in twenty sixteen, 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:14.160 my wife and I we rented a house while we 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:18.400 were filming and love the area. My two older children 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:21.520 from a previous marriage were too young for us to move. 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:23.280 We wanted to keep them in the schools that they 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:26.440 were in in La But I fell in love with 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:31.080 our particular area a few years after that and said, 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:33.280 you know, so when I saw you, you said you 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.560 were going there, and I'm like, one of these days, Brian, 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.880 I'm going to be your neighbor. And so sure enough 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:42.600 last year when when I saw you, you know, we 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:45.160 made it work. And yeah, again, We just feel so 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:47.440 fortunate that we were able to make it work. My children. 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.840 My son graduated and he's now in college. My daughter 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:55.200 is going to graduate her senior year this year. But 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:57.160 our two younger ones are ten and eight year old, 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:00.960 go to school out here, and yeah, they're they're thriving, 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.560 and the sports programs out here are amazing. You know what, 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:05.880 we really shouldn't talk about San Diego because I don't 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:06.880 want people moving down here. 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:12.640 It's awful. It really looks out the window right now. 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:15.720 It's tear it's raining and cold. 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:18.680 Yeah, so many people out here, there's there's too many. 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:23.560 It's it's traffic. You can't get anywhere. The food sucks. 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:26.200 That's another thing. It's so funny. It's like in La. 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:28.000 When I tell people I move, they're like, yeah, but 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:34.160 how's the food? And actually I've eaten some really great restaurants, 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:36.200 more so here than I do in La, because in 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:38.400 La it was just such a chore to get to 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.640 the restaurants that you would have to have. You know, 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.120 if you went to Craig's, right, you got to know 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:45.240 Craig to get in. 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:48.080 It's but you do have to know Craig, that's right. 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:51.600 And here. It's like you go to these great restaurants 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:54.280 and you just call and they're like, oh yeah, we 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:57.240 can totally get you in. You're like wait, really, like 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.439 I don't I don't need an hour in an hour 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:03.240 in an hour. It's just again though, you don't want 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:04.320 to come down to San Diego, SA. 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:10.000 No, it's terrible. Well, you've had to spend a little 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:13.200 time away working on your new project. I want to 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:16.079 talk about that and a little bit. But I do 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.920 want to go back and hopefully share with some people 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:23.160 some things that they don't know about you. Now. You 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:25.720 you mentioned you're born and raised in l way Ye 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:33.920 to a Dutch Indonesian family, so you have three cultures 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:39.040 going on in your household as a child, right, Yeah. 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:41.480 I was the only one out of my out of 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:43.640 the four of us my siblings, I have three siblings 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:47.199 that was born in the States. I came. I came 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.560 way later. My mother was thirty five when she had me, 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:52.959 which back then, you know, I was born in the seventies. 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:56.040 Was like, oh boy, right, he's going to come out 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:59.600 with a horn on his head, which is fine. They 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:02.080 just shaved down, you know, you can't tell they put 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:04.200 makeup over it. They can't tell you, but I was 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:08.600 definitely an oops baby. We had that culture. My mom 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:12.560 is all Indonesia and my father is Dutch. He actually 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:16.200 I was talking to Stephanie Seymour yesterday as Stephanie Seymour 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:21.600 Jane Seymour. Sorry, my apologies, Jane Seymour. And I'm currently 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:23.920 doing the rounds for my show. Because of the strike, 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:25.839 we weren't able to do press for my show, so 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:29.440 as seven or eight episodes in now we're doing press. 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:31.680 And anyway, she was at a talk show that I 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:34.320 was going to do and she's Dutch as well, like 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:37.439 her mother is Dutch. Her father, I believe, is British. 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:41.280 The connection that we have is that my father his 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:45.000 family did a lot of work in Indonesia. My father 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:49.480 and his whole family were taken into internment camps during 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:55.280 World War Two and kept in Indonesian Japanese internment camps 0:10:55.320 --> 0:11:00.160 in Indonesia. Jane Seymour's mother was in what was in 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:02.199 the same camps that my father was, and we were 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.120 just talking about it because my father passed away a 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:08.760 few years ago and we never talked about his experience. 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:10.400 It was just one of those things like you just 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:12.600 never brought up. It was my father was in it 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.400 from nine till I believe he was twelve. He was 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:18.720 in the boys camp. Jane had told me, she's like, 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:21.520 your father was actually in a boys camp and when 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:24.880 they turned twelve, they aged out and they went into 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:27.120 the men's camp. Can you believe, like twelve year old 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:31.000 boys going into a men's camp where the women were 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.280 kept together. So the mothers and the daughters were all 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:35.840 kept in the same camps. The fathers were obviously in 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.520 the men's but we never talked about it, and her 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:44.959 mother logged through sketches her experience, but we had that connection. 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:48.559 So my father, being Dutch, was in Indonesia. My mother 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:52.000 during that time, I believe they moved to Holland, and 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:57.000 then my father mother connected in Holland, actually not in Indonesia, 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:02.840 and then in the late sixties he's moved to California. 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:05.800 They moved to the valley San Fernando Valley. I don't 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:10.160 know why some people actually I actually have Indonesian family, 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:13.960 a Dutch Indonesian family that came on that same trip 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:17.960 on the same boat basically, and they resided here in 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:22.120 San Diego and Poway, and my family went to San 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:23.880 Fernando Valley and there's a little pocket there that we 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:25.160 were Dutch indows. 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:30.240 Huh. Your mom also worked for an airlines. So during 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:33.520 this time were you traveling a lot? Were you seeing 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:34.000 the world. 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:39.000 Yeah, no, we would go quite a bit. She worked 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:42.720 for KALM, which is the Dutch airlines. She was a 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:49.800 lounge attendant, so she ran the lounge for KALM, and 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:53.040 I believe, I mean, we would go even before she 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:59.120 became a lounge attendant. We would always spend summers and 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:03.040 chriss during that time. So I spent a lot of 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:05.920 my time in Holland. I believe Dutch was my first 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:10.559 language growing up. Really, Yeah, because we that's all we 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:15.280 spoke in the house and my you spoke Dutch, just Dutch. Yeah, 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:17.439 there's always our secret language. You know, there's not a 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.320 lot of duchies out there. And uh, you could talk. 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:22.080 You can talk shit about somebody in the in the 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.520 grocery line until they turned around and then and they 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:25.840 looked at you and they were Dutch too. 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:30.880 They were touched too. You started performing at the age 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:35.400 of five, Yeah, probably. What are you doing at five? 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:37.400 Are you doing commercials? Yeah? 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:41.360 Modeling, Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, my mother had 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:46.920 a friend who was a print model. You know, back 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:48.920 back in those days you do with them for Seers 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:54.080 or may Company or Mervins, and it's that typical story 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:55.920 of of somebody going to your kid's cute. 0:13:56.559 --> 0:14:01.360 And that's a typical story. But only in Los Angeles 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:03.720 anywhere else well or. 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.520 No, But I think that happens everywhere, right, because I mean, 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:08.840 if you're in the if you're in the you know 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:11.560 they call them fly over states. I mean, you have 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:15.040 a cute kid, you start doing local trend work, right, 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:16.880 you just go, Oh, your kid's cute. They should be 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.240 in front of the camera. And then people tell you that, 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:22.440 and then as a kid, you're like, yeah, I want 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.920 to be in front of a camera, you see. I 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.600 mean at that time, I think my Annie had come 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:30.600 out and I'm like, wow, there's a there's a kid 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:34.400 on the screen. That's pretty cool. Eight is enough. I 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:37.440 think it was around my time. Yeah, happy days, you know, 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:40.600 so you're seeing all these things. It just happened that 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.720 way where you should I'll introduce you to my agent, 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:47.640 you should do print work. It just turned into you know, 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:50.480 like an after school kind of fun thing, like we 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:54.480 do with our kids, with soccer, baseball, and then I 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:56.400 just kept progressing. 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:58.360 Do you remember the first time you're in front of 0:14:58.360 --> 0:14:58.800 the camera. 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:03.840 I don't know. I have I have really bad memories. 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:09.120 Uh sorry, not bad memories. I have a bad grasp 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:13.560 of my memory of that time. I was very much 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:16.560 into sports and motocross and probably hit my head one 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.480 too many times. It is, there's a there's a lot 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.600 of moments of my life that I've that are just 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:27.520 not there. But I have little little things come up, 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:31.720 like print work, you know, the flashes you know from 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:35.240 from that and standing there and doing different poses, and 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:38.680 you know, people telling you what to do. Commercials. That 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:41.360 was the next progression, was going from print to commercials, 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:43.520 and I remember being on set for some of those. 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.320 I remember one that I that I got hired to 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:48.840 do and then I got fired. When I got there, 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:52.720 my consolation prize was just it was for Whammo. So 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:57.080 I got a big box of Whammo toys. Uh, that 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:02.040 was my consolation. Also, the guy who basically replaced me 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:06.440 was Paul Walker, and wow, yeah, Paul, Paul and I 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:11.200 would Paul and I would again. During that time, you know, 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.120 I grew up with Alfonso Roberto, I grew up with 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:16.520 Paul Walker. I grew up with later on. You know, 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.440 you would see like Toby Maguire, Leonardo DiCaprio and stuff 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:20.840 like that. They were a little bit younger than me, 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:23.640 but there was always a group of us that would 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.080 see each other for every audition. You know. It was 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:29.120 kind of like that your baseball team. You were just like, hey, guys, 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.880 you know, and you'd you'd compete against them, and I'd 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:36.200 say Paul would always beat me because he was like 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:40.880 the quintessential sort of California kid, you know, the hair, 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:43.960 the blonde hair and the blue eyes, and he was 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.160 he was just he was Paul Walker. 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:51.800 Right right. I It's always fascinating to me because you know, 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:54.840 my journey in was so different for me. It was 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:58.720 about theater. It was sort of an activity that that, 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:03.760 but that that professional side of it for me truly. 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:07.200 I mean this wasn't in my consciousness till after college 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:09.919 and what I wanted to be was an actor. But 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:15.840 that business side, that working with professionals, that rejection, that 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.399 getting hot, you know, getting a box of toys like 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:20.560 that wasn't a part of it for me. I mean, sure, 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:22.880 I would audition for a role and maybe I wouldn't 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:26.119 get the role I wanted or whatever. But you know, 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:29.359 it wasn't about money first off, and it wasn't about 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:32.520 a business. It wasn't about a business. And so I'm 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:36.240 always fascinated to talk to people who, like you, started 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:39.640 way earlier, like on the business side. Now, was there 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:43.000 a moment you talk about it being just like our 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:46.480 kids playing soccer or whatever else. You're making money, but 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:50.119 it's an activity. It's something you're doing and you're seeing friends, 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:54.000 or you're working with people and meeting other kids or whatever. 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:58.840 Is there a moment for you where you go, this 0:17:58.920 --> 0:17:59.639 is what I want to do. 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:04.000 That came way later. That came probably after Saved by 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:08.959 the Bell actually way later. For me. It was never 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:12.680 about the money. I was having fun. There were times, 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:14.719 I mean my mom pushed me. I'm not you know, 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:16.960 I think she. I have to push my son to 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:18.919 play baseball sometimes, and he loves baseball. That's what he 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:20.359 wants to be. He wants to be a baseball player. 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:22.720 Yet I still have to tell him, you know, we 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:24.399 got to go to practice and he's like, oh, I 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:26.199 want you know, he wants to hang out with his 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:30.200 friends or play Xbox whatever. So you know, my mom 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:31.680 had to push me at times. There was a lot 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:36.200 of I'd say the biggest negative through that initial process 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:38.240 before saved by the Bell and I think I got 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.119 saved by the bell and I was twelve, Miss Bliss, 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:44.960 and then it went on. The biggest negative was the rejection. Right, 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:46.879 so you talk about going in for auditions, and for 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.479 people who aren't in the business, going in for an 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:52.960 audition is a job interview. You go in, you sell yourself, 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:54.640 you show your resume, you show what you can do, 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:57.880 you tell them why you're the right person for this job, 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:03.480 and you don't I'd say ninety percent of the time, 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:07.560 even more, you don't get the job. And as a child, 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:10.600 that was the biggest negative, you know, trying to explain 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:12.680 to your kid, they don't like the way you look, 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:17.359 You shit the bed on your dialogue, you were terrible, 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:20.840 you're a bad actor. There's a whole plethora of things 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:22.639 like why you know, and some of it are completely 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:24.480 out of your control. They just they just went a 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:29.080 different direction. Trying to process that as a child is 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:32.200 probably that was the biggest negative and probably the biggest 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:34.679 hurdle to get over because it's just not easy. You know, 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:37.640 it's competitive. I took it as exactly what I said 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:40.000 was I was going in to compete against my peers, 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:42.720 and I wanted to win this job. So that first 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.560 time that I was replaced by Paul Walker, that really hurt. 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:49.720 I mean trying to understand you were replaced, you got 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:52.480 the job, and then another kid comes in and takes 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:55.679 your place. I could not process that. And I'm a 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.520 very competitive person. It's the reason you and I don't 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:02.440 play golf together is because I don't want to play 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:06.760 bad poorly. I can't do things just for the sake 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:09.359 of doing things like I have to. I have to 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:12.359 be good at something otherwise I just I'll do it. 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:14.280 But I'm doing it by myself and no one's watching. 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:22.240 There's a there's a masturbation, Joe. Yeah, yeah, I said. 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:27.439 But the thing with you know, I didn't take it 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:29.720 as a business. I understood the importance of what we 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:34.120 did as as as a child like I remember walking 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:36.080 on to the stage of Save by the Bell and 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:39.840 one of our directors, Don Barnhart, who directed the majority 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:42.359 of them, said, the minute you open this door and 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:44.200 walk on this stage, you are no longer a twelve 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:46.360 year old. You are an adult. This is a business. 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:48.560 You have to treat it like one. I was fully 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:50.639 aware of that. I didn't need to have that conversation, 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:54.359 and I think he was just you know, reiterating that 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:57.359 and just making sure that I understood it. But I 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:00.280 knew the importance of the business, never under did the 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:02.960 money aspect of it, which you know, I mean, looking 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:06.600 back in hindsight, that's something I wish I'd probably taken 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:10.760 more interest in. But we had nice things. We had 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:13.919 a you know, nice cars, and we lived in a 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:19.240 nice area. We were very middle class. And yeah, I'm 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:22.080 sure what I did for a living sort of paid 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:25.439 for some of that stuff. It just happens, right, I mean, 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:29.280 you see these stories. I was part of that story. 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:33.040 It's just I think because I didn't want and also 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:36.600 I was doing it just because I liked it and 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:39.040 not because I wanted to be famous, and not because 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:42.320 I had some goal. It wasn't until after Saved by 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:44.359 the Bell that I said, oh, I guess this is 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:47.440 my career, that this is what I should be doing, 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:53.440 and I'm in a position to continue and making a 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:55.320 lot of money, might as well keep going. 0:21:57.359 --> 0:21:59.360 You just mentioned you made some bad deals. You've said 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:02.640 it before on that show and despite all of its 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:07.960 success and it making you America's sweetheart, like for the 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:10.439 entirety of your life, you don't see a ton of 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:15.520 residuals from that franchise. Does your experience specifically, And we 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:17.400 don't have to go too deep onto this, but did 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:20.040 this color your take on this recent strike? 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:24.240 Uh? No, there were other things about the recent strike 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:27.600 that I was more concerned with. Ai, I mean, that's 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:31.000 that's a big one. Yeah, the wages and also just 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:34.119 relocation fee is a big thing for me. We currently 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:37.120