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Speaker 2: Welcome back, everybody. You right now are exactly where you

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Speaker 2: should be. You're here listening to Off the Beat with me,

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Speaker 2: certain age. My producer, Emily actually, and this is true,

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Speaker 2: years later. But to be clear, Emily has never squealed

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Speaker 2: always fascinated to talk to people who, like you, started

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Speaker 2: Brian, congratulations, welcome to the club. A lot of people

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Speaker 2: don't know. You mentioned it briefly. Saved by the Bell

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Speaker 2: and not with Kevin Riley, who was our savior at

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Speaker 2: NBC once he became chairman and kept the office on

431
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: the air. He was at least a big part of

432
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: the decision to change up Good Morning, Miss Bliss launch

433
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 2: it into reimagine it and launch it into this new show,

434
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: Saved by the Bell playing on Saturday mornings in front

435
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 2: of a live audience. Were no cartoon owns anymore, and

436
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 2: to try to hit this tweener audience that had sort

437
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 2: of you know, or the idea being, we've graduated from

438
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 2: Tom and Jerry and Sylvester the Cat whatever it is,

439
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 2: and now we're going to watch something that's more about

440
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 2: kids our age. So, first off, do you remember auditioning.

441
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: You're auditioning for a ton of shows at this time.

442
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 2: You've done shows like The Twilight Zone and Wonder Years,

443
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,719
Speaker 2: a Punky Brewster and blah blah blah. Do you remember

444
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: the audition for Good Morning, Miss Bliss.

445
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. I actually had spent this summer at a Marine

446
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 1: Military academy camp in Harlingen, Texas. I wanted to go

447
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: to high school. I wanted to be a Marine. I

448
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 1: wanted to be a Marine to play football. So I

449
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 1: went to this camp to go through the initiation process

450
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 1: of being accepted to this school in South Texas. I

451
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: came back my hair was buzzed, for the lack of

452
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: a better turn. The boot camp to get into this thing,

453
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: and I started growing out. My mom put in highlights,

454
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: blonde highlights and stuff like that. So there's the the

455
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: sort of over the top blondish hair go in for

456
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: the audition. I don't remember my process, but I do

457
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: remember going in and seeing Dustin Diamond really, you know,

458
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 1: reading the script and knowing what screech he was seeing

459
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: Dustin Diamond, and I just went, Yep, that's the kid

460
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: that he's going to get this. He's not going out

461
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: for Zach Morris, so I'm good there. Yeah, but I

462
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: do remember seeing him. I don't remember much about Say

463
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: By the I mean Miss Bliss, other than Hayley Mills

464
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: was very nice and Dennis Haskins and the rest of

465
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: the cast. I do remember where I was and where

466
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: I read the script for say by the Bell. So

467
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: again we do Miss Bliss and it moves on, and

468
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: then you know, we get a call from Peter Ingle,

469
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: who was the creator said by the Bell and basically

470
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: says I'm going to spin it off and wanted me

471
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: to read the script. I lived in this three bedroom

472
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: house actually was like a two bedroom, but my bedroom

473
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: was sort of this open area that we had, like

474
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: one of those partitions that blocked it off. So there

475
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: wasn't like a quiet area for me to read it.

476
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: So I went into the bathroom, the powder room, and

477
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: I read the Save by the Bell script in the

478
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: powder room and I remember reading it and it opens

479
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: up with Zach Morris and he's talking to the camera

480
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: and I just I was, wow, this is a mate.

481
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: I'm Ferris Bueller. I get to do what Ferris Bueller did.

482
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: And that's all I can remember was this is exactly

483
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: like I. That was my favorite movie growing up, right.

484
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: I was like, I just and the character Ferris and

485
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: his friend and Sloan and oh, I'm like, this is

486
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: I get to do this? And between Miss Bliss, I

487
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: think and Saved by the Bell, I had just done

488
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: a film with Alan Arkin. His wife had written a

489
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: book he I believe. I don't know sure if Alan

490
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: directed or if she directed it, but anyway, it was

491
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: a family movie and we shot it and I lived

492
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: with Alan for about a month while we were shooting it,

493
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: and I became really good friends with Alan Arkin, and

494
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: he was a mentor. And I read the script and

495
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: I called Alan next day and I said, Alan, I'm

496
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: I've just been offered to do this sitcom and he

497
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: is don't do it. And I was like, wait, wait,

498
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: you don't understand. It's it's a sitcom. I get to

499
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: play this Character's like, don't, don't, don't, don't do a sitcom.

500
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: You're you're you're gonna do film. You're gonna be fine.

501
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: Just trust me. You just want to stay on this

502
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: path that you're going You did, you did that, Keep

503
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: doing film. You're gonna be You're gonna be fine. And

504
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: I obviously didn't listen to him. I I didn't understand

505
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: what he was talking about. I didn't know that you

506
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: had to make a choice right right, But back then

507
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: there was a definitive line. You either were television actor

508
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: or you were a film actor. You definitely didn't do commercials.

509
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: You didn't do you didn't sing. You could do Broadway,

510
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: you could do theater, but you did not cross the

511
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: lines in television and film. Which now you know, it's great,

512
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: it's amazing for creative people like us because we can

513
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: do everything right. But then I understand what Alan was

514
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: saying was like, you're going to not typecat, but you're

515
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,719
Speaker 1: going to pigeonhole yourself pigeonhole. Yeah, but that that was

516
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: the thing with to say by the bell was it

517
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: was is that is so crazy?

518
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 2: You're fifteen?

519
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: Uh?

520
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: Did you feel prepared for a lead role like it?

521
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 2: Were you nervous at all? Or were you just like

522
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: I'm freaking Ferris Bueller now let's go.

523
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: No. I mean that character was how I perceived the

524
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: people in my school, like the popular people in my school,

525
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: like they they had this swagger they had. It was

526
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: everything I wasn't. I was a very quiet kid. I

527
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: I think if you asked people in my school that

528
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: I went to up in Valencia, California, you know who

529
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: I was. They probably didn't even know I went there.

530
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't a jock, although I wanted to be a jock.

531
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: I wasn't, you know, one of the sort of art

532
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: artsy kids, and wasn't a slacker. I kind of just

533
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: went around. I just I had. I didn't have a

534
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: lot of friends and and sort of sort of was

535
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: in the shadows a lot because also I was working,

536
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: and so if I worked, I was just away for

537
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: a little bit. But Zach Morris was just I just

538
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: really enjoyed playing him because he was everything I wanted

539
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: to be. Right. I had the cool clothes, he had

540
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: the shoes, he had the phone, he had the girls,

541
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: and it just was it wasn't me at all. Like

542
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: I didn't like being in front of a camera all

543
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: that much. I didn't like rehearsing. I you know, I

544
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: had bad skin at the time, and so I was

545
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: conscious of that. And uh, you know it's like Zach was,

546
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: Yeah everything I want to I wanted to be at

547
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: that at that moment.

548
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: How much school did you go to once that launched?

549
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: And did you feel a change? Nothing?

550
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, I mean, you know, you go to set school.

551
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: I mean we had a great teacher's name was Sydney Sharon.

552
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: He's passed. He was amazing. He was he was a

553
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: great educator. The problem was is that I you know,

554
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: I look at my kids too, and it's like school.

555
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: You know, if I can, if I could be playing

556
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: sports and do other things, sure, school. So I manipulated

557
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: a system. I mean, when you do homeschooling, you know,

558
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: it's a it's a lot of worksheets and things like that.

559
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: And I would I would find the codes for the

560
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: worksheets and just put them in and manipulate my scores

561
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: or whatever. I mean, yeah, we for anybody ELSEO that

562
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: doesn't know the process. You need fifteen hours of school

563
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: per week, and what happens is you start banking time.

564
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: So for us, we would film on a Friday, and

565
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: so Monday through Thursday was probably our biggest amounts of school.

566
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: You would maybe do four hours on Monday and then

567
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: four on Tuesday, and then three and then two and

568
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: then one on Friday. So you just needed to do

569
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: one hour a day was the minimum, but you could

570
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: bank more hours during during the week to total fifteen

571
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: because Fridays were our biggest day.

572
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, because you weren't going to school. Once

573
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: this goes, you're not feeling yet. Like I did that.

574
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: I went to I did go to sort of a

575
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,479
Speaker 1: what what they call it a vocational school. I mean

576
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:45,239
Speaker 1: it's basically a school for either your I mean, you

577
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: just don't have the capacity to go to school, so

578
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: you go to this sort of you know, it was

579
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: it was in these bungalows off to the side of

580
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: the school, or you were a working kid because of

581
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: some reason, like your parent is a stay at home

582
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: for some reason. But I would go there. I had

583
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: normal friends, I you know, I hung out with the

584
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: neighborhood guys, and no one seemed to care. It's it's

585
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: really weird, Like I don't have this thing of oh,

586
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: walking into a room and everyone going, hey, that's a

587
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: guy on it just I yeah, it didn't. I never

588
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: had that. So I walked around for you know, my

589
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: childhood is is just feeling like, oh, I have a

590
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: job and I come back and I'm just the guy

591
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: that lives on that street and you know, goes to

592
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: school there. And it was no different.

593
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: That's fascinating. Unless you went to a mall, unless you

594
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 2: went to a signing, unless it was like here's Zach

595
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 2: Morris's correct.

596
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: A specific event that I would go to. Then it

597
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: was oh, you know, but other than that, because again

598
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: I didn't have blonde hair when I wasn't sure, when

599
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't working.

600
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny, you know, like this experiment that happens.

601
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean it's so genius in a way, right,

602
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: Like how do we keep people watching the network? Well,

603
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: they're aging out of these shows. Let's find something else.

604
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 2: And I think for people of my hour, a little

605
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 2: bit younger, a little bit older, like which of course

606
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: is totally different. Now it's YouTube and YouTube kids and

607
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: stream whatever show they want to stream. But at that

608
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: time you had grown up with, before soccer, before baseball.

609
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: Whatever happens, Mom and dad are sleeping off a bender

610
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: or whatever, and you're gonna get up and watch Saturday

611
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,479
Speaker 2: Morning cartoons and everybody is watching exactly the same thing

612
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 2: at exactly the same time. And suddenly here are people,

613
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: meaning you, who are our age that we're now seeing

614
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: on TV. Sort of this, I mean, I didn't even

615
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: want to This is such a weird parallel. But it

616
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 2: is like the office, like in a way where you're

617
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,959
Speaker 2: like seeing an experience that you have that you can

618
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 2: connect with on some level. Right, you work in an

619
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: office or you go to school, and you see this dynamic,

620
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 2: you feel the relationship dynamic, the love dynamics, the friend dynamics.

621
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: Here's a model, here's a I can't think of the

622
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 2: word of, Like this is the popular guy, and here's

623
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: the but everybody's friends and everybody gets along, like there's

624
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 2: nobody who doesn't know that show from that that grew

625
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: up in that timeframe. Right, do you feel that? Do

626
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: you experience you? Obviously you do. It's a stupid question.

627
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 2: You must feel that.

628
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: I Mom, you talk about a person that didn't grow up.

629
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: My wife My wife never watched the show. No, she didn't. No,

630
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: never watch the show. Yeah, as she grew up in

631
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: England until she was twelve and then moved to Montreal

632
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: and she made a way down here. But even while

633
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 1: she was twelve and in Canada, she didn't watch the show.

634
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: Interesting.

635
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's interesting though, Brian, because I look back

636
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: on my career and I've been very fortunate to play

637
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: characters I changed.

638
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 2: I love that.

639
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: It's it's weird you wouldn't think of me. And I

640
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: don't consider myself a character actor, but I've played characters.

641
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: I I played Zach. Zach was a character. I mean

642
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: I dyed my hair for that every every week. Once

643
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: I finished that, I didn't work for three years. I

644
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: didn't work. We were about two years and it was

645
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: for another NBC movie the Week, remember those things in

646
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: those movie of the Weeks, and auditioned for it. It

647
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: was with Candace Cameron Burret and my hair was was

648
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: it's natural color and people were like, hey, where's the

649
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: blond hair. And then shortly after that, I did some

650
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: other things for Dick Wolf, and then I did NYPD

651
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: Blue and with with with the way I looked in

652
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: that and then you know, I've always been able even

653
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: on television, which does not push in the direction for characters. Right,

654
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: Like when they when they hire Brian Baumbaguner, there's a

655
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: specific they want Brian bar mcguner to play this role

656
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,959
Speaker 1: because they have this vision of you playing this role.

657
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: For me, I've been able. I mean, yeah, I've just

658
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: been able to to not look like the people that

659
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: I play on screen. And so I've lived this life

660
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: where I've tried it one time when I've walked into

661
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: the restaurant and go, yeah, we can't see you. Hey,

662
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: do you know who I am? And they're like nope.

663
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: I'm like, yep, that that worked well, because yeah, why

664
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: would you know who I am? I don't look like you. Yeah, yeah,

665
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: that I have.

666
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: I have an advantage there, you do, like exactly advantage there? Yeah,

667
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 2: for sure, I love this conversation and that we're having

668
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 2: it because see, I am a character actor, right, and

669
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: whether it's you know, I mean people have said it's

670
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 2: weird to talk about yourself and the third person, but

671
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 2: like you're so unlike this character that everybody knows you as, right,

672
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: and I play the bad guy or I played that

673
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 2: this right, But you are. You're exactly right, you are

674
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 2: a character actor. But you started so young, and so

675
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: the assumption is at that young age, oh, that's that's

676
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: who he is.

677
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: That's who I was.

678
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 2: Certainly he's not. He's not putting that on. That's he's

679
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 2: got the blonde hair. He's the cool guy California surfery.

680
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: That's fascinating. We have to move to truly one of

681
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 2: my favorite shows of all time, and certainly what I

682
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: would put up there with anything at least before this

683
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: sort of what they call the Golden age of television

684
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 2: recently is I mean, I was an enormous NYPD Blue fan,

685
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 2: and for me, your work on that show was spectacular.

686
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: Was intense, dark, understated, but playing opposite Dennis Franz and

687
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: simple wits the way that you guys worked together so much.

688
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: And I and I say this with all sincerity and

689
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: not to undermine it, because I'm not the first person

690
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: that has has said that about your work. But you know,

691
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: you had the Caruso years, which sort of started it,

692
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: and then Jimmy Smith sort of became the Jimmy Smith's thing,

693
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 2: and obviously his his departure from that show became sort

694
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: of a huge iconic television moment. But your work on

695
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 2: that show for such a long time was spectacular and

696
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 2: for me, being ignorant and not knowing that you were

697
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 2: playing a character when you were a kid, for me,

698
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: that launched you for me in my consciousness in an

699
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: entirely different way. And I just remember because right, I mean, Dennis,

700
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 2: he gets the firework, got he got, he got the

701
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: f But I remember watching that show and just being like,

702
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 2: you know what heat meaning you is doing was so great.

703
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 2: Talk to me just a little bit about your experience

704
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: on that show and did you feel that in terms

705
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: of the consciousness of America whatever that means, that that

706
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 2: it was, it was redefining you.

707
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for all those kind words. And just

708
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: to be clear, NYPD Blue was a project. I've never

709
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: acted less on that show. I mean, I look at

710
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: my work and and when you're given and you know this,

711
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: when you're given dialogue like that, and by the way, dialogue.

712
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: When I say dialogue like that, I mean that was

713
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: with the Milch era with Stephen Bochco. So Stephen Bochco

714
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: being you know, at the top and sort of controlling

715
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: Milch who could get out of control. But produce some

716
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: his characters, and his words were just poetry. You had

717
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: to say every single word the way it was on

718
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: the page, and you never questioned it, you know, you

719
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: just you just did it. So for me, I just

720
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: I remember Denna said to me, you know, probably the

721
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: first month or so, at some point he says, less

722
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: is more. You need to just give less. Our cameras

723
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: are right in your face. And yeah, I just feel

724
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: like I gave so little in that role. But leading

725
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: up to it, the anxiety that I had walking onto

726
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,479
Speaker 1: that set my journey was that I auditioned for the role.

727
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: I auditioned for a project called Philly. Kim Delaney had

728
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 1: left NYPD Blue. She went to go to her own show,

729
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: which was Stephen's show, and it was called Philly. I

730
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: don't know if she was a DA or if she

731
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: was a public was a lawyer in Philadelphia, something like that.

732
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: And there was a role a younger, you know, a

733
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: partner of hers or whatever and attorney. And I had

734
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: just finished a film with Tom Evertt Scott and I

735
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: go in for the audition. Again, very competitive, right, You

736
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: want to get everything. You think you're right for everything.

737
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: You have to have that mentality in this business, so

738
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: you have to go in and go I'm right for this,

739
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: even when you know you're absolutely all right.

740
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 2: Right.

741
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: I remember sitting on the Fox lot. I was in

742
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: the parking lot and I got a message from my

743
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: manager saying, you don't need to go in there to

744
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: offered it to Tom Evert Scott. You know what Tom

745
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: Everts Scott for this role. I go, we're completely different.

746
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: I got this is I'm right for this. Why would

747
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: they offer it to him? Did he go in? Did

748
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: he read? They're like no, it was a straight up offer.

749
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, that's bullshit. I'm I go, I gotta

750
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: I'm going in and they go, well, yeah, okay, just

751
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,919
Speaker 1: go in and meet Steven. And so you know, nothing

752
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: against Tom. It just it doesn't matter who you are.

753
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: I want to beat you. And so I go in

754
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: and Steven's there, and I'd never met Steven, and I'm

755
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: not a business guy. I don't know these people. I'm

756
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: in my late twenties, and but I walk in. I

757
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: see this man, white hair, sol sitting there, tennis shoes on,

758
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: and I don't know the history of you know, an

759
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: NHYPD Blue. I've heard things, you know, but it wasn't

760
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: wasn't my wheelhouse. I go and I do the audition.

761
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: After the audition, he and I know this. I know

762
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: they've already offered this to Tom. And he looks at

763
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: He looks at me, and he goes, you know what,

764
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: You're really good. And I said thank you, sir, and

765
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: he goes, I'd like to work with you someday. And

766
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, there it is. I already know that.

767
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: You know they've offered it as a Tom. This is

768
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 1: a nice way of him saying, you know you didn't

769
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: get the job, son, because I want to work with

770
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: you one of these days. And well, thank you so much.

771
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: It was a pleasure. Two weeks later, got a call,

772
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, mister Botchko would like Mark Paul to be

773
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: a part of NYPD Blue. Didn't say the capacity, didn't

774
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: say like I'm thinking oh, And we jumped at it. It

775
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: was during pilot season. You know you're you're jumping at

776
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: things like this. We had heard rumors that Rick Schroeder

777
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 1: who was going to leave, so in your in my mind,

778
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I get to play a beat cop.

779
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: I get to play a uniform, right, And that's all

780
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: it was. Was would he be interested. Of course, yeah,

781
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: we jump on it. Then to come to find out

782
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna be Sip what's his partner? Are you

783
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: kidding me? I mean I auditioned for Philly. I never

784
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: played a cop, so he doesn't see me as I'm

785
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: playing in New York Detective Like, it doesn't make any

786
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: sense to me, Like, I'm like, what is this a joke?

787
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: Like why are you putting me in this position? I

788
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: haven't done anything to warrant this position. And at the time,

789
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, the internet's kind of going around. I believe

790
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: there was a critic named Alan Steppenwall that had a

791
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: blog about, you know, because people were passionate about NYPD Blue.

792
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: I mean, oh yeah, right, it's like the Office. It's

793
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: it's I mean, people the rabbit about things. And yeah,

794
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: I mean you say, not only am I going to

795
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: bring in a child actor once, I'm going to do

796
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 1: it again the guy who played you know, Silver Spoons,

797
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: and now the guy who played Zach Morris on on

798
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: Save by the Bells coming in to play Sip what's

799
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: his partner? I happened to read a lot of the

800
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: blogs that were going on, or a lot of the

801
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: posts and it was not pretty, and I just had

802
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,479
Speaker 1: so much anxiety to walk on that set. The first

803
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: time I met Dennis was at a you know, before

804
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: the season, you do the photo shoot and yeah, yeah,

805
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is, but they do this

806
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 1: every season for shows, where you come in and you

807
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: you take these photos and you do these like, you know,

808
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: little bumpers and teasers and stuff like that.

809
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: Whirls, yeah, put it. They put it where they are

810
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 2: about to go to commercial or yeah exactly.

811
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And and so that's where I met Dennis.

812
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: And I remember him walking on the some lot and

813
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: I see him walking towards me. And of course, before then,

814
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: I wasn't a fan. I never saw an episode of

815
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: NYPD Blue. So before that I'm watching the show religiously.

816
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: I'm like getting as much information as it possibly can.

817
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: And so I'm seeing this man's work and like, this

818
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: guy's a beast, right, I mean, he's he is the

819
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: real deal. Nine times nominated for an Emmy, four times

820
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: he wins. I mean, this is an actor. I don't

821
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: consider myself an actor at this point. I don't I

822
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: don't consider what I'm doing. I'm just like it's like

823
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: we I'm having fun, you know that trying to make

824
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: a living. I see him walking up to me and

825
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: there's sipoets, you know, this sort of being, you know,

826
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: and he just has his arms outstretched and he just

827
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: gives me the biggest bear hug you can possibly imagine,

828
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: and he just says, welcome to our family. I'm so

829
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: excited to work with you. I can't wait. And I

830
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: was like wow. And that was Dennis from the very

831
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: beginning until the very end, just the most lovable guy

832
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: you would ever want to be on cameras with, or

833
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: or or you know, in a casual situation. His work ethic,

834
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: approached his work with the same sort of intensity and excitement,

835
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,919
Speaker 1: you know when when he got his dialogue and how

836
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: he went to his approach and knowing his dialogue, and

837
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: I learned so much in those four years that that

838
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: was the he shaped me. And and that process with

839
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: Stephen Boschko who became a mentor as well, and everyone

840
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: on that Mark Tinker, Bill Clark, that was a moment

841
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: in my journey that I will never forget. And I'm

842
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: so thankful that I had that, because you're right, that

843
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: was the start of my adult career. That I think

844
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 1: that's that's not even I don't want to say adult career.

845
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: That was the start of my career really of understanding

846
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: you know, what I was doing and and and the

847
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: impact you could have, and yeah, just just working with

848
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: the best it was.

849
00:47:38,640 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 2: It was amazing, you know the office, particularly as you know,

850
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 2: by the way we were we were not a Saturday

851
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 2: morning show, and we were shooting sixty plus hours a week.

852
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 2: Don't cry for us. We were doing thirty episodes a

853
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 2: year some seasons.

854
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 1: Wow, Andy, how many days would it take to film

855
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: one episode?

856
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 2: Five?

857
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: But you guys were a single camera, right, say it

858
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: was a single camera, so it was five okay.

859
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like twelve to fourteen a day. You know,

860
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 2: by the end of this these seasons, when you get

861
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: into episodes twenty two to twenty six, sometimes the scripts

862
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 2: come a little bit late.

863
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:33,919
Speaker 1: Yep.

864
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 2: It is famous as genius as the writers in milch Is.

865
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 2: You guys would get scripts very late at times. Yet

866
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 2: as you said, now, we could mess with the words

867
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: a little bit, and we could mess with the timings,

868
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 2: but you guys could not. How difficult was that or

869
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:56,959
Speaker 2: did you just consider it a challenge, a exciting challenge, a.

870
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: Well, so I was fortunate and unfortunate because I would

871
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: have loved to work with Milch left the year before

872
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: I So I came on. Yeah, no, no, no no,

873
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: but it was a it was a thing that I

874
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: came on, uh, season nine, because it was going to

875
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: be the last season we ended up. It was, yeah,

876
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 1: it was like nine, that's it, Milch is leaving. Milch

877
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: went on to do something else for ABC. They were

878
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, nine, and you know, it just it

879
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: just the show became very expensive to shoot and licensing fee,

880
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: you know how th stuff works. And they were like, yeah,

881
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: we'll just we got a we got we got to

882
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 1: season twelve. Milch was kind of there, but not writing

883
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: the script, so the process became much more refined. They

884
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: didn't have to rely on Milch. It's one of the

885
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 1: reasons I believe that I think I don't I hate talking,

886
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, putting words in his mouth, but I believe

887
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: that's why Smith's left was because of that process of it.

888
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: He just couldn't take it with With Milch. They had

889
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: pagers on like they would come on set, they would

890
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: rehearse something, which you know, they had words and pages,

891
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: and then they would rehearse it. Milt should see it

892
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: and say nope, everybody'd leave, I got to rewrite this.

893
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: They would all have pages on them. They would just

894
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: be out and about and then they would get a

895
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,479
Speaker 1: call saying, you know, come back in, and they would

896
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: do something again, and or they'd film an entire scene

897
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: and spend you know, three four hours on it, and

898
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: Milt would see it and go, nope, I gotta we're

899
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: gonna redo this, and so.

900
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 2: You but it wasn't quite like that.

901
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: No, no, no, when I came on, it was a

902
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: well oiled machine. It was like that the year before

903
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: with with Schroeder, and then Schroeder left and Milch left,

904
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: and then when I came on, Botch go really, you know,

905
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: clamp down on that, and was very it was. It

906
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: was a very yeah. And I was always told and

907
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 1: and you know, Dennis, Dennis was okay with that. Dennis

908
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: being a theater actor, you know, he was able to

909
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: to you know, take the pages and process it and

910
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: get it out there. But there's some certain actors I

911
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: can't do that. I completely understand. I actually would have

912
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: been fine with it because coming from sort of that

913
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: sitcom you know, where you're you're given lines alts.

914
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well you got four years out of

915
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 2: it and finished finished it up. Talk to me a little,

916
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 2: just a little about when it ended. How difficult was

917
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 2: that to you? I know that myself as well as

918
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 2: much of the television viewers in America, there were not

919
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 2: dry eyes in people's houses. How difficult was that for you?

920
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: Yeah? I I it was. It was terrible. I mean

921
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: I feel like we could have continued with that show.

922
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 2: I don't.

923
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: I don't really know why. I think, you know, there's

924
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: a point where it's completely out of our control, but

925
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: there's you know, people that are above us that just

926
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: decided to move on with things. I would have liked

927
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: that show to continue. I'm not sure if Dennis was done,

928
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: but if that was the reason. There was a lot

929
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: of speculation that the show could not survive with without Dennis,

930
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: and there's some truth to that. I think for me,

931
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 1: I felt that way. Looking at it now, I'm like, well,

932
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe we could, you know, maybe you

933
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: could do it. I mean you see how Low and

934
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: Order has has reinvented itself over and over and over again.

935
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 1: But that's not the show that NYPD blue was. It wasn't.

936
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: I mean, at its core, I guess it's a procedural,

937
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: but it was so much more than that.

938
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yes, the relationships and character building and

939
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 2: the rawness. Yeah, and weird. I mean, it's funny. I

940
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: was such a huge fan of that. That shaky camera.

941
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 2: That got a whole lot of press. However, many years

942
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 2: later for a comedy, our shaky camera got a lot,

943
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 2: got a lot of press when we started out. Yeah,

944
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 2: it's uh, it's funny how that stuff works.

945
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: We we were so the way they filmed that too,

946
00:52:55,480 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's it's shaped how I direct

947
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 1: and understand how to direct. Mark Tinker directed the majority

948
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: of our shows, and he was an executive producer as well.

949
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: And that style and how Tinker would sort of edit

950
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: in his mind while he was shooting. He would be

951
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: looking at the screens and we'd have like three cameras going,

952
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,919
Speaker 1: and he would sit there with a microphone, and each

953
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: of the camera operators and the focus pullers would have

954
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: earbuds in and he would you know, say dirty words

955
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: to them in their ears as we're filming. But also

956
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: he would basically tell them going closer, pull out, you know,

957
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: go to go to Dennis, go to Henry, you know,

958
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: so he was editing while he was filming, and that

959
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: that's why you would get those camera swings and zoom

960
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: ins and and things like that. So it was a

961
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: really cool process. And I think I haven't worked with

962
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: Tinkers since, but I do believe he incorporates that into

963
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: shows that he is either show running or directing. It's

964
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: just a really cool way of getting what you want

965
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: and being really efficient. And I think his record was

966
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: filming an episode of NYPD Blue, a full episode in

967
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: under six days. That's insane because it became that way.

968
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's towards the end of the run. You're

969
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: like trying to challenge yourself as a director as well. Right,

970
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 1: you've done twelve seasons of this, so you know, trying

971
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: to trying to be as efficient as possible. It's pretty cool.

972
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 2: Although I will say, you know that moving camera is helpful.

973
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: It is what I but not only efficiency, but for acting.

974
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: I really love when you know, it's like being in

975
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: theater right, like you're on you think you're in the background,

976
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: and I and NYPD Blue and same with the office

977
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: would do that, like it pulls focus to the rear

978
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: of a reaction that you give. I love that that style,

979
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: and as an actor, you don't get bored, right, You're not.

980
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: Oh it's it's Steve's you know coverage. I I'm just

981
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and just give him kind of of

982
00:54:58,080 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: what I would do.

983
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 2: You'll get caught for sure. Yeah. I could talk to

984
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: you about all this all day, but uh, you you

985
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 2: have such an amazing mix after your career starts comedy drama,

986
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 2: Franklin and Bash, raising the bar, Truth be told, pitch

987
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 2: down here in San Diego. The passage, by the way,

988
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: mixed dish. I don't even know if it's fair to

989
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 2: say I was up for I don't remember. I think

990
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 2: you and I are like, there are details that go away.

991
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 2: Your best friend, I don't even remember who got it,

992
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 2: And I went to and I don't remember the character's name,

993
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 2: and I went to when I was going to talk

994
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 2: to you, I went to research this and I was like,

995
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 2: what was it? Gary Cole? And then I was like, no,

996
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 2: that was that was older. It was your best friend.

997
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 2: That's all I remember. Yeah, and I'm sure the actor

998
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 2: was spectacular, but would have been it would have been

999
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 2: better for you.

1000
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: You were too expensive. You seriously, I'm telling you that

1001
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: it really comes down to the because and I forgive

1002
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: me the minute I do. The minute I'm done with something,

1003
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 1: even a day's worth of work, I tend to forget,

1004
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: like it's just I have to That's this is the

1005
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 1: way my brain works. I have to process other things,

1006
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: and I don't have the capacity. Uh. But the actor

1007
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: I remember, I see his face. I don't know his name.

1008
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: He was really good, completely like you and him are

1009
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: not alike. I do remember them going out for names,

1010
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: and I consider you obviously a name, but I know

1011
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 1: that there wasn't any money in it. You know, there's

1012
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: so many other things. You can't make me feel better now.

1013
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: I don't feel bad still, but that would have been

1014
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 1: a lot of fun to work with you. And I've

1015
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: now seen and remembering what the kind of character was,

1016
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 1: that would have been a lot of fun to be

1017
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: He was a bit of a slacker, that guy.

1018
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 2: Like Okay, I don't even remember. Yeah, I don't remember.

1019
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: I think I think you know that happens when when

1020
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: a project comes up. They always do this, every project,

1021
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,479
Speaker 1: they shoot for the moon, right, They're like, we want

1022
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 1: Brian for this, and You're like, Okay, great, Yeah, let's

1023
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: go for Brian. And then it settles in of like

1024
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: Brian gets this much per episode. You're like, yeah, maybe

1025
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: we won't go for Brian. And then you go to

1026
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: you know, you go to your next tier and you're like,

1027
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: we want them, and then you realize like, oh, they

1028
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: live in Europe.

1029
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 2: Oh right right? Comedy drama, you don't care. It's about

1030
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 2: creating a character, right.

1031
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I don't mind. I prefer drama. I think

1032
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: comedy is really tough. I struggle with comedy a little

1033
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: bit more than I do with drama.

1034
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 2: Your new show, hit show I just read this morning.

1035
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 2: Maybe it was announced a while ago. Season two is

1036
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 2: coming on My mothership. On the mothership NBC new show

1037
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 2: Found so different. Interesting talk about NYPD blue, Like there

1038
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 2: is some depth to this show and issues that are

1039
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: being discussed in this show that you don't typically see

1040
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 2: in network television. You are playing not just drama, but

1041
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 2: you your character incredibly dark but so well done as usual.

1042
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 2: How what has your experience been like on Found.

1043
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: It's been it's been a challenge that's been rewarded with

1044
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: the second season, which is always our intention. I mean,

1045
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: I never go into I don't know about you, but

1046
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: you never go into a project going, I hope it

1047
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: only gets one season, you know, pitch truth be told.

1048
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: I mean all these projects you go into going, I

1049
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: want seven season and I want to retire, you know,

1050
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: I just want to I want to get that residual

1051
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: money that has been eluded. I didn't get it that

1052
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: much on NYPD Blue because I came in late in

1053
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: the in the game. Didn't get it on Saved by

1054
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: the Bell Franklin Bash. We did forty episodes and four

1055
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: years on TNT. I mean, you know nothing, you know

1056
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: mixed Dish. I was like, yes, here we go. I'm

1057
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: coming on. I'm going to ride these coat tails of Blackish.

1058
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: This is it. I'm done. I get to do this show,

1059
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: which I love, I like the people. I'm gonna this

1060
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: is it. I've made it. First season. We do twenty

1061
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: three and I'm like, yes, because I love working. I

1062
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: love I love I love the reward.

1063
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 2: I love.

1064
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: You know, you worked your ass off, you get paid great,

1065
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: and you know you get to take great family vacations.

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Speaker 1: What's not to love? So bring it on. Like when

1067
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: when they say you know you're gonna do twenty two

1068
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: or whatever, the next season on Mixed Ish, we did thirteen,

1069
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: so we found we did you know? We started with

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00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: thirteen and now we're going to do twenty two this

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00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: second season, and I'm just so excited. It's a very

1072
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: challenging role. It's a role that I haven't played. You know,

1073
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: I've played some darker characters, but nothing quite like him.

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00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: The name of the characters Sir Sure and Sir is despicable.

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00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's just a it's a gross He's

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01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: a gross human being with not a lot of redeemable qualities,

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01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: and I don't know that he deserves any redemption. When

1078
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: I asked the showrunner and Kidji, you know, I like

1079
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: to do research on my roles and understand where the

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01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: writers coming from. And I asked her, I said, you know,

1081
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: is there anybody out there that I should model Sir after?

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01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: And she's said probably, out of all the sickos that

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01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: we've had in society, Ted Bundy was the one that

1084
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: you should probably base him off of. He was charming,

1085
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: he was, you know, decent looking guy. He was able

1086
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: to use those two qualities to disarm his victims to

1087
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: do some monstrous things. But that was who she wanted sir.

1088
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: You know, he was also a very smart man and

1089
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: uses intellect to sort of work his way into the

1090
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: lives of his victims. So that's who she wanted me

1091
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: to emulate. You know, not great people, but the show itself.

1092
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, it does stand for something that

1093
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: is often not approached on network television. I thought when

1094
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: I read it pilot season of twenty twenty two, this

1095
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: was one of the pilots of that season that was

1096
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people wanted to be a

1097
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: part of it was so well written. Sheanola Hampton, was

1098
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: already attached her sort of history and pedigree and like

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01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:32,439
Speaker 1: who she is as a person. Everything was positive and

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01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: you know, she's just she's like one of those Dennis

1101
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: Franz people. Right when you meet her, she's like, Oh,

1102
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: this is going to be an absolute treat to work with.

1103
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: She's the real deal. She was a producer on the show.

1104
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: She had a deal with NBC, so she was already

1105
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: attached working with Greg Berlanty. Like as actors, like, you

1106
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: see these things and the boxes are being checked and

1107
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: you're like, right, it lines up. Doesn't mean it's a

1108
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: guarantee for anything. You're still taking a risk with a

1109
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: character in this This was a definite risk. I mean,

1110
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: this was a character that you could get skewered on.

1111
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: But it seemed have worked and NBC loves it and

1112
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: I love being with NBC. Still, Mad Day canceled, saved

1113
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: by the Bill to reboot. But you know, I can't

1114
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: can't win them all. But I was bummed that we

1115
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: didn't get more than two seasons out of that. But

1116
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: I still, you know, I started my career here and

1117
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: hopefully this is the one that ends it. Always looking

1118
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: for that. Indeed, I want to start playing golf like you.

1119
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 2: Brian, do you ever have you? Have you? Has there

1120
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 2: been any discussion or have you talked about any similarities

1121
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 2: with obviously not a real monster, but Hannibal Lecter. Has

1122
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 2: there been any conversation on the team or in your

1123
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 2: own mind about that that character.

1124
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: I was a huge fan growing up of the Silence

1125
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: of the Lambs and some of the sequels as well,

1126
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: with Gary Oldman and Rayleota and some great stuff. I

1127
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: never proached it from that angle. Yeah, I never really

1128
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 1: approached it from there.

1129
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 2: There are similarities, yeah, And you know I'm attempting to

1130
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 2: not give stuff away I've been watching but an imprisoned

1131
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 2: if you will back, you can give it away.

1132
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: I mean we've been giving it away this entire time. Basically,

1133
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: I kidnapped a girl when she was sixteen. She escapes.

1134
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: Years later, she becomes an advocate to find people who

1135
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: are lost and in need of being found but don't

1136
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: have the means or funds.

1137
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 2: From marketized communities. Correct, yes, yeah.

1138
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: And she has a band of she has a team

1139
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 1: that each has a specific role and ability to help

1140
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: in that process. You know, pr people, attorneys, ex military,

1141
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: and they help find these people that need to be found. She,

1142
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: like I said, it's escaped and starts this company. At

1143
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: some point she her kidnapper and imprisons him in her

1144
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: basement and uses his intellect and knowledge of what he

1145
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 1: would do given the situation of some of these kidnap

1146
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: people or you know, their loss, and I guess just

1147
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: using his knowledge to help solve the cases. But my

1148
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: character and people say, oh, he's doing it for redemption.

1149
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: He feels bad that he did it to her, and

1150
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: it's like, no, that's not it at all. I don't

1151
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: think my character and I've never played it that way

1152
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: where he's doing this for to find redemption. He's doing

1153
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: it because this is his entire journey with Gabrielle. And

1154
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 1: that's Shanola's character is he just wants to be in

1155
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: her company. He wants to be in her presence, and

1156
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter that he's living in her basement and

1157
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: that he's falling ill down there. The fact that he

1158
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: just gets to be with her is everything that he

1159
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 1: ever wanted. And then you know he helps with the

1160
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 1: cases because he likes to see her do well, wants

1161
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: to see her do well. But yeah, when I think

1162
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 1: about it, like the Signs of the Lambs, like, there's

1163
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: nothing sexual about these two characters, even though you think

1164
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: because it's a male and female that there is some

1165
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: sexual component to it, but there there really isn't and

1166
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: it's not on our show. And I never felt that

1167
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: way with what the Signs of the Lambs either.

1168
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 2: Right, It's fascinating. It is the kind of show that

1169
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 2: network television should be doing. So I'm so glad even

1170
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 2: with the strike that it well, it's it's gotten, it's

1171
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 2: gotten plenty of attention because of the team assembled, as

1172
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 2: you mentioned, and and and it's good. So congratulations you

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01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 2: season two back in hot Atlanta.

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01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll tell you that's hard. I love Atlanta. I

1175
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: love Atlanta. It's I mean it is you filmed the

1176
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 1: Office in Los Angeles, right, Yes, it's tough. You know.

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01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 1: It's anytime we're away from our family. And I'm am

1178
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 1: like you, We're just family men. You know if I

1179
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 1: consider my off a husband and a father and an

1180
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: actor in that order, and so whenever I have to

1181
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 1: be away from my family, it's really hard for me

1182
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 1: going back though. And again, at this point, everybody should

1183
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: turn off your however, you're listening to this because I'm

1184
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: going to endorse San Diego again and we don't want

1185
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: you to move down here. But the airport is amazing

1186
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: in San Diego, and yeah that I have to, I

1187
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: travel back and forth sometimes twice a week to be home.

1188
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: I could never do that in La at Lax. Neither

1189
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: what I ever want to. I would, I would, I

1190
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: would go out of my mind. But the fact that

1191
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: we have such a great airport here, I'm able to

1192
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 1: come back and forth between Atlanta and here.

1193
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 2: Oh, I know that flight very very well. Those flights,

1194
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 2: there's at least a few of them, So that's that's

1195
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 2: also rare.

1196
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: MP.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so so much for coming on and being

1198
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 2: so candid and talking to me. I found it fascinating,

1199
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 2: and I wish you all of the best. I hope

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01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 2: that this is the end for you. If you're ready

1201
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 2: for the end, let's make this be the end. Well,

1202
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 2: another seven years from now, another seven years from now,

1203
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 2: it'll be the end.

1204
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 1: But and I say that, and I don't know if

1205
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 1: I say that in jest. I've I've mean, look, I've

1206
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: had a long career so far. I'm it would be

1207
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: nice for me to In my head, I'm like, wouldn't

1208
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: it be nice if I could just say no, Like

1209
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: I'm always feeling like I'm still saying yes yeah to

1210
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: take things, and you know, get I get antsy, Like

1211
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 1: people say, oh, you constantly work, and I do, but

1212
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 1: that's my choice. Like I actively am out there really

1213
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: hustling because you know, we have kids and we have

1214
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: a certain lifestyle. We like having them and it's life, right.

1215
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 1: But so I'd love to get to that point where

1216
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: you're like, nah, I'm good.

1217
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 2: Nah. I know, well, you're on the road all the time.

1218
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 2: I'm on the road. It's funny because one of my

1219
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 2: producers was just asking me, like thirty minutes before we started,

1220
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 2: like much you guys hang out and I'm like, I'm

1221
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 2: always so happy when I see him, but we were

1222
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 2: never here at the same time, and now he's leaving again.

1223
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 2: Well we'll figure it out. We'll go have dinner. I

1224
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 2: wish you all the best and thank you. Thank you

1225
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 2: so much for coming on and chatting with me.

1226
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 1: Thanks Brian, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: So great to talk to you, MPG. And yes, I

1228
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 2: will see you around the neighborhood everybody else. You can

1229
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 2: see him on Found airing Thursdays, my old night on NBC.

1230
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 2: But guess what, with the magic of technology, you can

1231
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 2: stream it any day you want. And I will see

1232
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 2: you next time right here on Off the Beat. Until then,

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01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:08,600
Speaker 2: have a great week. Off the Beat is hosted and

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01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:21,400
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1237
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:25,479
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