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Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Colleen Witt, and today I have very

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Speaker 1: special guests, actor, producer, model, and former professional athlete Blue

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Speaker 1: Kimberle in the building.

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Speaker 2: Why are you?

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Speaker 1: Why are you black? Because I said model, just wow,

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Speaker 1: there's a long title.

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Speaker 2: No thank you, crowd.

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Speaker 1: It's all your all your You're like a true Jamaican.

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Speaker 2: You have all these I like that.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jamaican now, actor, producer, model, professional, former professional athlete.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot yes, and there's a lot of are

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Speaker 1: you you're not Jamaican?

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Speaker 2: I not Caribbean, big shout out. I'm a Caribbean people.

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Speaker 1: What are are you just black?

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Speaker 2: Look?

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Speaker 1: Are you just black?

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Speaker 2: I'm a mutt most black people are.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 2: What about yourself?

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Speaker 1: For you, I'm one hundred percent much money people. People

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Speaker 1: look at me. That's a Puerto Rican, Hispanic, Dominican Spanish

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Speaker 1: speaking something.

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Speaker 2: I'm black, my mother is black, my fault is black.

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Speaker 2: But they yeah, my family has a lot of other

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Speaker 2: other things. The you know, everybody like to claim that

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Speaker 2: they Cherokee. Yeah, yeah, got all that. You know what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying. So there you have it.

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Speaker 1: So before we get into everything, Blue Kimball, I wanna

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Speaker 1: know what you're gonna be cooking us for breakfast today?

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Speaker 1: Mm well, I didn't even mean to say that breakfast,

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Speaker 1: but m y, you know. But technically this is my

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Speaker 1: first meal of the day. So what are you gonna

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Speaker 1: have me eating today? And go through the ingredients in

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Speaker 1: the season.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people like to call them struggle plates.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, when you're cooking and you're

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Speaker 2: broke and you're struggling. But being from the South, like

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Speaker 2: I said, I'm from Atlanta, so southern culture, southern heritage.

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Speaker 2: You can eat breakfast all day, breakfast for lunch, breakfast

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Speaker 2: for dinner, come home at the club two in the morning,

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Speaker 2: late breakfast. So this is a struggle plate. We are

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Speaker 2: making a sandwich. P s.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what's in your sandwich?

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Speaker 2: Make no way a sandwich? No, that's not what we said,

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Speaker 2: say it right, sandwich A sandwich, hilarious sandwich. Not a sandwich.

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Speaker 2: This is a sandwich and it's gonna have eggs and

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Speaker 2: bacon and cheese. But a sandwich can be comprised of

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Speaker 2: whatever ingredients you choose. But we gonna do eggs and

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Speaker 2: bacon for this sandwich and.

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Speaker 1: Cheese and for the sandwich. Do you do your eggs

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Speaker 1: scrambled or hard over easy?

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Speaker 2: Like either or depends. Sometimes it's scrambled, sometimes you do

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Speaker 2: 'em hard. You wanna do hard? You from New York?

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Speaker 2: I'm New York like hard eggs. They like their eggs hard,

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Speaker 2: we do, so we gonna do hard egg okay, cause

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Speaker 2: New York is in the building, So yeah, we gonna

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Speaker 2: do hard eggs for me. Every everything from New York

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Speaker 2: is just hard eggs. Hard. The girls are hard bralic.

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Speaker 1: He's been making fun of you guys since he got here,

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Speaker 1: so right now, blue hats for all your listeners. He

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Speaker 1: already started cooking the potatoes.

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Speaker 2: Mm.

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Speaker 1: So that was a nice addition. So it looks like

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Speaker 1: it'll be a nice hearty breakfast. Go ahead and hardy,

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Speaker 1: hardy breakfast, cause you got potatoes. Go ahead and make

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Speaker 1: me some breakfast, man, and get into this sandwich.

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Speaker 2: Times get into it. Like you said, we going to

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Speaker 2: oil this pan, you know, with some organic virgin oil.

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Speaker 2: You know they say you're not supposed to be U

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Speaker 2: vegetable or no more. Right, Yeah, even though we still do,

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Speaker 2: I know you still do.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying. No, I use it only like if I'm

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Speaker 1: doing potatoes or maybe plantings every once in a while.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, but you just said you wasn't Puerto Rican.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jewish and Jamaican.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, wonder you hit me with the Caribbean vibes. Okay,

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Speaker 2: any man with a job.

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Speaker 1: Is Jamaican exactly. And well with multiple jobs.

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Speaker 2: Multiple jobs, you have a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Jobs, okay. And it looks like you've had a nice journey.

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Speaker 1: So take me back to what was going on. Take

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Speaker 1: me all the way back to the original, because I know, Salm,

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Speaker 1: the sandwich meal can be still be you know, you

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Speaker 1: can still enjoy that today. But take me back to

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Speaker 1: the time when this was a meal of to keep you, keep.

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Speaker 2: You full, because it's like that, like you said, during

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Speaker 2: the times when you're struggling or whatever and money is

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Speaker 2: an issue, crack that egg because you want them hard.

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Speaker 2: You know, you gotta you know, reach and and and

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Speaker 2: find things that are last. And it's always eggs. Eggs

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Speaker 2: is a meal that you that you can buy a

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Speaker 2: card and the eggs for the low, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. And you can always eat eggs for breakfast,

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Speaker 2: lunch of dinner.

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Speaker 1: Do back in the day it was for the low.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well not now right. You gotta be balling to

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Speaker 2: get eggs now. But back in the day, that's what

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Speaker 2: it was. You can get eggs. So anytime, like I said,

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Speaker 2: you gotta get some and you know, the men that

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Speaker 2: work out want their proteins and this and that eggs

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Speaker 2: is that eggs is the good you know, the good protein.

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Speaker 2: So at any time you can always.

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Speaker 1: So can you take me back to a time when it.

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Speaker 2: Was eggs for the low low and you can eat

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Speaker 2: eggs all week?

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Speaker 1: Can you take me back to a time when it

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Speaker 1: was like times were rough most like starting out, maybe

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Speaker 1: before you became a professional.

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Speaker 2: Uh see, that's the whole thing. People think that just

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Speaker 2: because you're a professional athlete, that means you're rich, that

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Speaker 2: means you're balling. That means this majority of football players

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Speaker 2: are making league minimum, you know minimum. Back then it

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Speaker 2: was a hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Okay, you know

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Right now, I think it may be

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Speaker 2: it may be two fifty, but it's still a lot

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Speaker 2: of people that's making league minimum. So after you go

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Speaker 2: get taxation and all that. So, yeah, you're playing football,

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Speaker 2: but yeah you're not rich, you're not balling. You're just

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Speaker 2: getting paid to you know, your dream to be a

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Speaker 2: professional football player, and you still chasing the dream. But no,

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Speaker 2: the people that are the names, the people in the

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Speaker 2: dollars a year. Mm. But trust me, it's more people

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Speaker 2: that's making league minimum than it is. Yeah, people that's

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Speaker 1: Being being a football uh huh uh NFL player. The

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Speaker 1: a hundred percent full time, eat, sleep, dr everything. It

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Speaker 1: is that what it is.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying I I I.

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Speaker 2: I don't like this, okay. So being you know, from

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Speaker 2: the culture, you know, a man and whatever. Most in

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Speaker 2: too many dreams that I mean not dreams, but too

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Speaker 2: many other things that you see people that look like

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Speaker 2: wanna be that. So that's why it's always sports it's

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Speaker 2: always football, It's always basketball, because that's us. That's who

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Speaker 2: see so many different things. You know, with the Internet,

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Speaker 2: you could see black lawyers, black doctors, black whatever. Back

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Speaker 2: but back then, your superstar, your hero is gonna be athletes. So,

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Speaker 2: like I said, we play sports from the beginning. I've

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Speaker 2: been playing football, basketball, everything since I was five years old.

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Speaker 2: So it was always that the.

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Speaker 1: Even though coming from Atlanta, cause Atlanta has like uh yu,

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Speaker 2: It's not that it's the only thing. It's just the

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Speaker 2: simple thing that you gravitate to, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: And and yes, big shout out to you for knowing

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Speaker 2: that Atlanta has always been a chocolate city, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean. And we've in comparison that I do

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Speaker 2: and anybody from Atlanta, I definitely tell you, there's just

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Speaker 2: a rich black culture and people like you just said,

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Speaker 2: professional blacks. We have that in Atlanta, but they're not

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you who.

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Speaker 2: We will watch it on TV. You don't what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: The sports and athletes. But no, we have that in Atlanta,

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Speaker 2: always have and like I said, to grow up with that.

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Speaker 2: And then when you come you meet people from different walks,

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Speaker 2: you know, to use to use those air quotes. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: can do more because you've seen it. Yeah, and that

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Speaker 2: and I feel like that's some of the mentality and

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Speaker 2: some of the energy that's installed in a lot of

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Speaker 1: It now You've lived in every city you mentioned earlier,

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Speaker 1: and you're now in the entertainment business. Could you potentially

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Speaker 1: seeing it being a you have your friend from Kansas

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Speaker 1: who is surrounded by all whites, then you you know,

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Speaker 1: prior to Tyler Perry and some of these black names

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Speaker 1: see it? Could you see that potentially hurting someone that

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Speaker 1: comes from Atlanta that's not privy to that many other

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Speaker 2: Things as I butter your toast, thank you literally yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean in saying you brought up Tyler Perry. Big

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Speaker 2: shout outs to the big boss, Tyler Perry. That's one

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Speaker 2: of the main reasons that I'm into the industry now because,

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Speaker 2: like I said, he did everything that he did within

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Speaker 2: That's how I randomly fell into acting. You know, if

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Speaker 2: I would have stayed in any other other cities, if

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Speaker 2: I would stayed in Florida, Miami, where I was living,

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Speaker 2: if I would have stayed in Charlotte, where I was

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Speaker 2: Atlanta was popping with the film industry, and Tyler Perry

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Speaker 2: You're a gas lighter, look like on the stove.

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Speaker 2: That what I'm saying. They have different tryouts and different

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Speaker 2: like walk on mm. And that's what I had to do.

434
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 2: I had to go through these things and trying to

435
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 2: earn a spot on these teams. And that's what it

436
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 2: always was. They're like, you're good enough, we see you,

437
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 2: but I got other guys in front of you. It's

438
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 2: like corporate. Yeah, this guy graduated from Yale. Yeah you

439
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. He gets a shot before you

440
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 2: get a shot. Black man, yeah, or whoever you it's

441
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: the same thing. So like yeah, you good, but you

442
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 2: have to wait. I gotta let this guy, this guy,

443
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 2: this guy go before you.

444
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 1: So like this side that we all would never see

445
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: or predict.

446
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:57,199
Speaker 2: Oh, it's it's it's it's business, yeah, regardless about it

447
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 2: being sport. And if you know you good enough, you

448
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: get the reward. But still if you don't comfor go

449
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 2: through those type of situations, it's different. No, we got you.

450
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,360
Speaker 2: It's different. Like you said, you have to you still

451
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 2: gotta go through the channels. You still have to go

452
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 2: through the politics. You still have to do all that.

453
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 2: And that's the side that nobody sees, that nobody talks about.

454
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 2: And like you said, you like, man, I just wanna

455
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 2: play ball. I'm a kid. I just wanna play ball.

456
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 2: I just wanna l live my dream. And nine times

457
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 2: out of ten it doesn't happen.

458
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: When you were doing football, did you feel like you

459
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 1: had arrived your you're You're it? This is it for you?

460
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 2: No? I mean because it was always that. I was

461
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: never like a in a in a place of comfort

462
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 2: like yeah I made it. Yeah, y No, every day

463
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: is like you about to get fired. Every day, You

464
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 2: about to get cut. Every day, you about to get

465
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 2: released every day. You gotta you worrying about what's next.

466
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 2: So that that's the journey for me and the people

467
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 2: that go through the struggle like I did. It ain't

468
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,719
Speaker 2: it's not glamorous. There's no there's no there's no glamour

469
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 2: side of it. Like and this is organic bacon, definitely,

470
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 2: isn't it is?

471
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: This is like five dollars at it's organic foo less.

472
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, struggle baby, struggle plates struggle bacon. But yeah, no,

473
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 2: the route like you said all that. No, it's not

474
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 2: glamoring because you waiting and with anything, your future is

475
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 2: in the hands of someone else. Yeah, regardless about your

476
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 2: performance as a as an athlete or whatever, it's still

477
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: on somebody else to say, let's give this kid a shot,

478
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 2: Let's give this kid a chance, and if that doesn't happen,

479
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:58,479
Speaker 2: it's a rap. And that happens more times than not. Right,

480
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 2: you understand so old, you're good enough to be somewhere,

481
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: but you're not gonna get the opportunity because of the system. Yeah,

482
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: you know, just like corporate or whatever. So but the

483
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 2: only thing with that sports the time is your window

484
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: of opportunity, and time is this small, you know what

485
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 2: I mean. It's a young man's game. You need to

486
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 2: be able to produce now, and if you can't, it's

487
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 2: a rap. And then after that it's like this. You

488
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 2: been doing something for so long, right, Like you said,

489
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: I've been playing football since I was five years old,

490
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: been playing it forever. People have been chasing this drinks

491
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 2: since there was a kid, and just like that it's old.

492
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: Somebody say, nah, you good, We don't want you no more,

493
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 2: we don't want you. Know, you're not good enough. To

494
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 2: go to like after high school, they say you're not

495
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: good enough to play at the college level. It's a rap.

496
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 2: You're not playing football ever again. Or then when you're

497
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: done with college, you're not good enough to go to

498
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 2: the professional level, and it's a wrap. You will never

499
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 2: put it. You'll never put that helmet on again. You'll

500
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: never put those pads on again. See like basketball, you

501
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: can go to LA Fitness and still dribble and cross

502
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 2: Monbuger's over and shoot Steph Curry three's or dunk on

503
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 2: people to get your basketball fixed. Football you will never

504
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 2: feel that.

505
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: Why is that because there's no like place where you

506
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: can actually do it right?

507
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: What about well, I guess you can't listen you can now,

508
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 2: Like it's leagues that they have where they have thirty

509
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: in up football and you're out there. These people are out.

510
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: No smoke to anybody that does that. I'm not talking

511
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 2: about you. You know what I'm saying. Don't take this

512
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 2: the wrong way. But it's people, like I said, still

513
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: chasing the dream, chasing those skills. But if you out

514
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 2: there playing football at thirty five and actually bang bang

515
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: banging your nuts, you could die. Yeah, break your leg.

516
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: I was gonna sayfering.

517
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 2: Not getting paid.

518
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying, for like even the professional athletes, that's

519
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: not enough money.

520
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 2: For the professionals. That's why they get paid what they

521
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: get paid. You're risking it for the biscuit. And that's

522
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: why we're talking about people from poverished situations. They're like,

523
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: this is my chance, this is my opportunity, this is

524
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 2: what else am I gonna do? What else am I

525
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 2: going to do that's gonna generate this type opportunity. So

526
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: you risk it, You risk breaking your leg, you risk

527
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: getting concussions. And that's what's going on now. Like I said,

528
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: we're talking to eydsight CTE. You know what I'm saying,

529
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: from people banging their heads and getting concussions all the time.

530
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: I'm blessed enough that I got out of it unscared,

531
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. I'm still here, I'm still

532
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: doing my thing, still feeling good, looking good, no smoke.

533
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: But my friends, my colleagues, I got so many dudes,

534
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: like one of my one of my bros, that I

535
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: knew he has like early on site dementia. You know

536
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, early stages of dementia from playing ball,

537
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: banging so much. My other guy's knees is bad. They

538
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: backs are bad. They can't you know what I'm saying,

539
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: take some how much of a time to get up

540
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,239
Speaker 2: out of the bed. Like I said, these are the

541
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: war stories from you know, just sports and stuff that

542
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: you don't hear, you know when you when you aid

543
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: your hands listen. I told you I'm from Atlanta. I'm

544
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: a real man. I'm a real man. Okay, not not

545
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 2: no smoke took people that aren't real men. But I'm

546
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: a Southern gentleman and a real man. So if you

547
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: go get in here and make a struggle play, you

548
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 2: go get in here and struggle with it.

549
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: I love that you know how to cook, even though

550
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: it seems like the potatoes are turned out very low.

551
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: No, they they's just the potatoes are on a slow burn.

552
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: This was I'm gonna let you cook.

553
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: You say, let that man.

554
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: It would be like a two hour breakfast.

555
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: Wait no, if if this wasn't for camera, it would

556
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: have been a fastest situation. Really yeah, we doing we

557
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: spacing it out, talking it out. Who you know? For you?

558
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: Thank you bro? So okay, so take me into your

559
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: a you and you end up believing professional football.

560
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, because like I said, I'm doing all that. I'm

561
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: doing the struggle, going through it, and then people telling

562
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: you you're not good enough. No, it's like that. So

563
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: that's the NFL. And then they say, yeah, we see you,

564
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: you good, We we rock with you, we fuck with you,

565
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: but we can't put you on a team. So go

566
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: over here to the minor league or the other league,

567
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: or the or the Arena football league, the leagues that's attached,

568
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So I I did all that,

569
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 2: Go over here, get some you know, some good game footage.

570
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: Game real, that's what it's called. Go get it, Go

571
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: get some more touchdowns and come back and see us

572
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: type shit. But whatever, I my body was so banged up.

573
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: I got injured. And that's the other thing, like you said,

574
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: the comparison to corporate and the time and the window

575
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: being short, my n my my ankles is banged up. There,

576
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: I knee surgery, all this type of stuff. I didn't

577
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: rehab well. So instead of keep doing the the game,

578
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: the gambit that I was doing, I was like, maybe

579
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: it's time for me to hang it up. And then

580
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 2: afterwards you you quit, like I said, it's something that

581
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: you've done your entire life. You quit and you're done,

582
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: but then afterward you have the remorse you like and

583
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 2: the internal conflict. You're like, man, I can still go.

584
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: I gave up too quick. I still got some in

585
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: the tank, you know what I'm saying. So you have

586
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: that where you beating yourself up, and a lot of people,

587
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: like I said, when it's done, it's done, And a

588
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 2: lot of athletes, if you don't find something to replace

589
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: the sport, the void. Like I said, you're an athlete,

590
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: you're a professional athlete, or you've been doing sports your

591
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: whole life. If you don't find something to replace it,

592
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: you know, it can really fuck you up. And a

593
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: lot of people have PTSD from that, you know what

594
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: I mean, from sports and not panning out and not

595
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: finding something else after life after sport, life.

596
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: At PTSD from it, Yes, is it because you're going

597
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: through that battle of whether you gave up too soon and.

598
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 2: No, just all of it, life after sport, life after

599
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: the trauma from doing everything something you gave your life

600
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: to and then you didn't succeed. So, like I said, imagine,

601
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: if you imagine you're the man from the small town Oh, Jimbo,

602
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: he's the man. Jimbo made it to the NFL and

603
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: then after two seasons, Jimbo's back in Yeah Bumfuckville. They're like,

604
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: what are you doing here, Jimbo? You supposed to be

605
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: on TV?

606
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: That's tough.

607
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: Whoa Jimbo? You're a failure? Yeah, Jimbo, you sell tires.

608
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: Now do you understand the transition? What do you do

609
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 2: after the failure? And you are in the public eye

610
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: of so many people because you were a star and yeah, yeah, Now.

611
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: How did you go through that transition? How long was

612
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: that transitional period for you?

613
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: Like I said, it was me I, Like I said,

614
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: you have the internal conflict of like, damn, maybe I

615
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 2: still should go play some more. And a lot of

616
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: people that's what they do. I had a lot of

617
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: friends kept trying to get in the league or get

618
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: back to the league. Today was thirty and forty years old.

619
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: Like I said, it's a rap. Football is a sports.

620
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: That's what NFL stands for. Not for long, you did that.

621
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: Not for long. You're gonna be here, but you better

622
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: you better figure it out. Not for long. It's a

623
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 2: quick turnover. It's a young man's game. Did every every year,

624
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 2: there's a nine twenty year old person trying to take

625
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: your job. Yeah, every every every turnaround.

626
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: So did you go to therapy after?

627
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 2: You know, we come from the era where therapy wasn't.

628
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 2: I was about to say wasn't around. It's always been around.

629
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: Therapy wasn't. It was shonned upon.

630
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: So I tell you, so you skipped out on that.

631
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 2: No, th you th you have to have therapy within oneself,

632
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: you know, therapy within family, therapy within people who actually

633
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 2: care about you, people that you can actually talk to,

634
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: and things that you can actually do. Church was there

635
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: for a while, you know what I'm saying. We did

636
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 2: all that, But my thing was my therapy was producing,

637
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: as in generating, staying active work and getting things done.

638
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: Like I said, I had other business ventures from all

639
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: the people that I have connections and things I had

640
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: worked with.

641
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: So what did you do after football?

642
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: It's that, like I said, I have a business ventures.

643
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: There had other things going. I thought that my connection

644
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: to sport and football, thought I was gonna be a coach.

645
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 2: See and that's what a that's what a lot of

646
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: players do. You transition from ball, and that's why you

647
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: see him being commentators on TV or you get into coaching,

648
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: and that's what I thought I was gonna do. I'm like, cool,

649
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 2: I'm a coach. I'm'a be a you know it's done,

650
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 2: but i'm'a be a super coach. And that was a

651
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 2: shock within itself because it was so much harder than

652
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: I anticipated, and it was so demanding. M It was

653
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 2: twenty four to seven, none stop. And I was young.

654
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, I was a twenty twenty six, twenty

655
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: seven U you know, young to me? You know what

656
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: I'm saying. That was young, And I was in charge

657
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 2: of a whole high school program. And I had a

658
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: lot of you know, the high school kids, yeah, looking

659
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: at me like I'm daddy y you know, pause, you know,

660
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: but you know what I'm saying, like the father figure

661
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 2: for all of the youth and this and that, and

662
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: it charged them responsible for them, responsible for the curriculum,

663
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: making sure they do this hundred kids. And I'm like,

664
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna fail. I'm not ready for this. I wasn't

665
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 2: mentally yeah prepared for that. Could I do it now

666
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 2: at the you know, the grown level of maturity and

667
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: everything that I'm at now? Yeah, And I could probably

668
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: be great at it. But at that time I had

669
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: to walk okay, cause I was finna I w I'm like,

670
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: I'm going to fail and I'm not about to set

671
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: myself up for failure. And they're like, you know how

672
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 2: many bridges you're gonna burn and then YadA YadA x

673
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: y Z and I'm like, it doesn't matter that I'm

674
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: gonna burn these bridges. I'm not about to crucify cause

675
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: I'm I'm like, I'm not. Yeah, I can't give the

676
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: dedication that this the term you know that it gonna require.

677
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: I'm still out here wanting to kick it with my

678
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 2: friends and have drinks and go to the bar and

679
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: do those free man things. I wasn't ready to dedicate

680
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 2: myself to this. Yeah, So, like I said, I walked

681
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 2: from that and after that, that's when I fell into

682
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: the acting.

683
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: Shure acting, So dr how do how did the acting

684
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: hold on? Pause for a second? We gotta get you

685
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: onto this mic?

686
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

687
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I just want to speed.

688
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 2: Up to we're here to watch this. That's yearns.

689
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: That's a lot of bacon.

690
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 2: It's a sandwich?

691
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: Is that for me? I don't really eat bacon like that,

692
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:21,959
Speaker 1: only like a little like.

693
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: I just gonna bite it. You don't got to eat

694
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: all of it. I'll eat the rest of it.

695
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: Okay, all right. So you keep saying that you fell

696
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: into acting, do.

697
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: You take you don't get like a picture of this.

698
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: It's on there. It should be, it should be recording.

699
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: This is glorious.

700
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: I love that you're Can I please do this to you?

701
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 2: Please do it for one that's ocasun.

702
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 1: It's like this the whole time he's like this. I'm

703
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: just saying like it's just like he's just doing whatever.

704
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: You can't hide this, but I had to because your

705
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: sandwich does look good.

706
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: But the reason that it happened because we got the

707
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: popping and talking and and I didn't.

708
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: I had to do it.

709
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: My timing was off and it got a little too.

710
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 2: It's smoky, it's mellanated.

711
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, it's melanie. We just need we just need

712
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: you to feed us at some point, Blue, this is

713
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: going to be the longest breakfast ever. I can make

714
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: this breakfast in under fifteen minutes.

715
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 2: Okay, listen, let me all right, let me plate this.

716
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: Please please here with your.

717
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: Plate since you as long as y'all can see it,

718
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 2: the sandwich and the glory with at night fan, Let's

719
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,479
Speaker 2: open it up right here.

720
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: You know, what would you tell to your younger self?

721
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 2: Look? Look, look at that?

722
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: Look Look, wow, it looks great.

723
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: You see that.

724
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: It looks great? That do it under that?

725
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 2: That right there? You see that. You see those levels,

726
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 2: those layers in there. That's that's from twenty plus years

727
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 2: of eating at the waffle house. You know what I'm saying.

728
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: Give me Come on, let's let's let's get back to

729
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: your story. Okay, tell me what would advice would you

730
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 1: give to someone prior to you falling into acting?

731
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: All right, let's get into it and turn these potatoes

732
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 2: down here.

733
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: Put potatoes on our plates. Please, potatoes on the plates,

734
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: the top one.

735
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 2: You're good in the kitchen, Hey man, I told you

736
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: I was a guy. You know, a real man, and

737
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: a real man has to know how to feed himself.

738
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: Oh you know what we should have put it in

739
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: the Yeah, okay, I'm gonna use this. That's good.

740
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: You're gonna blot your potatoes.

741
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. The sandwich looks good. It looks restaurant quality.

742
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: Boom, I'll take that. Okay, struggle meal.

743
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: Hm, you need one of these.

744
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: Grease is good for you. Mm hmm. I told you

745
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: were from the South. We raised, we raised on grease.

746
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: Yeah right, okay, here we go. Let's try your sandwich.

747
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: You want me to try to eat it? Yeah, I

748
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 2: know it's awesome. What whoa turn that around? Show them it.

749
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: Looks like a gourmet sandwich, guys, Gormet.

750
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 2: It's a great sandwich because it's not a sandwich. Damn

751
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 2: bad dammich.

752
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: The bacon tastes so good. I will say this. I

753
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: love the way you handled your cheese, right, I love bacon.

754
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: And you tried to smoke me out. You tried to

755
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 2: act like I burned.

756
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: That egg was very hard.

757
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: It was great. I didn't burn like I said. I'm

758
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 2: not to my own horn or nothing. But I told you,

759
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: real man, real men know how to cook.

760
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: This is a great sandwich. Great job.

761
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 2: Make sure you let these people know because and you

762
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: make sure you let them know that you're not capping too.

763
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: Oh they know.

764
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 2: I won't. And I'm not, like I said, I'm not bragadocious.

765
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: I'm not being a jerk. But I told you you did.

766
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: You did. I love your confidence, and you did a

767
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: great sandwich. You didn't try your own sandwich, did you

768
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: take a bite of it.

769
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: I was on you. I know it's hitting. This is

770
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: my own.

771
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: It tastes good. Huh. Yeah, you didn't put mail on it.

772
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: Well that was for me.

773
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: I don't have to put mail on up.

774
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: It tastes great.

775
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 2: You didn't need it, you know what I'm saying. Because

776
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 2: it's it's season to toast it up to profession. The

777
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 2: bacon is what gives it the flavor.

778
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: But you did a great job on the potatoes. Amazing texture.

779
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: Yo, I'm in here getting gassed up.

780
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: You did great. Honestly, you did really great. I'm very impressed.

781
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: Lighting here is real, man. I might hey, I might

782
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: have to open up a little spot man, a little

783
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: blue Gordon.

784
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: Ramsley, what advice would you give to your younger self looking.

785
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 2: At this is supposed to have jelly on it too.

786
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: You know, I just want to side note. I'm not

787
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: trying to derail us, but I just got this. I've

788
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: been into like making gourmet sandwiches at home. I call

789
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: it gormet. But I bought pepper jelly.

790
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: Pepper jam, pepper jam, jelly pepper jam.

791
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: Oh you know about that. I'm in here, man, all right,

792
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: But let me just tell you something. Sandwiches they're like

793
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: so good, like everyone who tries them, they're like, yo,

794
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: you could charge for it.

795
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 2: So when are you gonna let us taste these sandwich.

796
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,959
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna start making them and just show

797
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: people they're really good. But okay, and.

798
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: Don't try to steal my name either if you do,

799
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 2: I mean whatever, just show some love.

800
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: You're hilarious.

801
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: It's a samwich.

802
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 1: Samwich.

803
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: That's a M M I C H samwich.

804
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 1: I shouldn't even be eating this bacon.

805
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: Okay, So organic.

806
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: What advice looking back you going through that chapter of

807
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 1: battling yourself? What advice would you give to your younger

808
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 1: self in the heat of that battle of I should

809
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: I quit? You know? Am I doing the right thing?

810
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: Am I failure? What direction am I going? Is this

811
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: for me? Is that for me? You know? People saying

812
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: you could burn bridges if you go this way? This way? Like,

813
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: what advice would you give your your younger self looking

814
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,720
Speaker 1: back at that chapter?

815
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, now, we're in hindsight. Everybody's right.

816
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 2: In hindsight, you know, you get to look back and say, ooh,

817
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: I told you so. But that's also the thing regardless

818
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: about the choices that you make, and not just me,

819
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: I'm saying anybody. When you're right, you're wrong, or whatever,

820
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 2: it's on you to make it to a point where

821
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: you can look back and say I told you so,

822
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: and not so definitely to rub it in people's faces,

823
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 2: but to make it right. When you make choices in

824
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 2: there wrong, it's on you to make it right. You know,

825
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 2: choice is always wrong. People always make bad decisions, but

826
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 2: it's on you to make your next decision and do

827
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: something else that's gonna say, yeah, that was bad and

828
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: I messed up, but that prepared me for this. Do

829
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 2: you understand. So it's not over. It's never over. It's

830
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: on you just to make the next step or to

831
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 2: make your last false step the right one. Cause then

832
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 2: you to be like, oh, if I didn't make this

833
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 2: wrong step, or if I didn't make mess up here,

834
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 2: I would have never ended up here.

835
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: You keep saying that throughout this whole interview. You keep

836
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: saying like I fell into acting I fell into and

837
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: I want I wanna go over that.

838
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: I did because again I said, I am from Atlanta.

839
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: I am from Collie Park, Real, Atlanta, just like you

840
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 2: from Brooklyn or up top or wherever the real places

841
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: or whatever. Basically, and like I told you, no one

842
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: does this. No one did this in my family. No

843
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: one does this type of thing around. You know what

844
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 2: I'm saying. The streets are there, the other things are there,

845
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 2: Rappers are there, you know what I'm saying. Anything but

846
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 2: this So when like I, when I say I fell

847
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: into it, it's because it was never on my radar.

848
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 2: It's not like something like, yeah, I'm gonna do this

849
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 2: and then I'm a plan and get into acting. I

850
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: just fell into it. And when I say that, and

851
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: because then when I actually started doing it, I was

852
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 2: shunned upon. I was laughed at, I was joked at.

853
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: I was called a clown, an idiot. You know what

854
00:45:59,280 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 2: are you doing?

855
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 1: You know, people were saying into it.

856
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes yes. Because at that time, like

857
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: I said, we're in twenty twenty five, now, this was

858
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 2: probably twenty twelve or so, you know what I'm saying.

859
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: When I when I first started, no one was doing that.

860
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: And like I said, where it progressed and got to

861
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: but the people around in my community and the people

862
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 2: that I dealt with, you know, you don't do this.

863
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 2: And when I fell into it. I say that because

864
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 2: there was a young lady that I was dealing with

865
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 2: at the time. She kept trying to get me to

866
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 2: go to acting class with her, and I'm like, do

867
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 2: that shit, M, I'm not suremar Moore. You know what

868
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I'm not. She like, well, y, you know

869
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: cause mym like I said, body was on point cause

870
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 2: I had been playing ball, you know what I'm saying.

871
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 2: And people always used to be like, you should get

872
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 2: into acting and modeling. M. And I'm raised by the streets.

873
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 2: We don't do that. Yeah, don't let the light skin

874
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 2: shit fool you. I got into fights frequently because I

875
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: had to show you that I wasn't typical light skin man. Yeah,

876
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 2: don't play with me, don't try me, you know what

877
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So that type of you know, stid, stereotypical

878
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 2: yeah situation. So we went to acting class. I mean,

879
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 2: she kept trying to get me to go, and she

880
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 2: tricked me and made me give her a ride. And

881
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: while I'm there at the acting class, her name is

882
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: Navanna Rose and it was called Real Actors Raw, Real

883
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 2: Actors Workshop, you know, in Atlanta, and she was like,

884
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 2: get up, No one sits an audit to my class.

885
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 2: If you gonna be here, you go perform. And I'm like, no, no, no,

886
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm just her ride and she like, na,

887
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 2: get your ass up, I'm dead ass, mister cool man. Okay,

888
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,959
Speaker 2: you gotta come perform. And we go through the acting class,

889
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 2: the little seminar or whatever, had fun, you know whatever,

890
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,479
Speaker 2: beginning to acting, and then afterwards she was like, come here.

891
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 2: She's like, how long have you been doing this? And

892
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 2: I'm like, I wasn't playing. I don't do this. I'm

893
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 2: not an actor. I'm not a I'm not mister pretty man. Yeah,

894
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: and she was like, oh wow, I thought you were

895
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: just blowing us off because you were past this level.

896
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 2: You were you were more seasoned mm within the craft.

897
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 2: And I'm like, nah, oh. She was like oh wow.

898
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 2: She was like, nigga, you tripping and you could be

899
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 2: really making a lot of money. And I'm like what

900
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 2: She was like, whatever it is. She was like, clearly

901
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 2: you got it. And I'm not saying this now to

902
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 2: make it. You know what I'm saying. I'm not trying

903
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 2: to come off arrogant with it. But that's what she

904
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 2: said to me at the time. And I'm like what

905
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 2: and she was like, you got the look, you got

906
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: the body, clearly you have the natural energy for this. Yeah,

907
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: And I'm like what is she getting at? But whatever?

908
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 2: So I'm like, well, fuck it, excuse my French? Can

909
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 2: we can we yeah, we can drop but f bahom

910
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 2: up in here. So yeah, I'm like, fuck it, I'll

911
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: come back next week. And I, like I said, and

912
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: cause there were other girls there, it was different, you know,

913
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, alright, it's a joker, you know whatever, It

914
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 2: just something to do. And I just stayed with it.

915
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 2: And that little inclination is how I'm here with you today.

916
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 2: And how like I said, a joke and an accident

917
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 2: became my whole life.

918
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, Wow, you're getting emotional. You look like you're

919
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: getting emotional.

920
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 2: It's like that. Yeah, it's definitely.

921
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 1: So you started showing up to the workshops more.

922
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 2: Like yeah, no, that's what I'm saying. That's where it started.

923
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 2: And at that level. And you're talking about getting emotional

924
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 2: because you can't. Everything that you've done, all that you

925
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:02,919
Speaker 2: went through, and now you hear and she's crazy. When

926
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 2: when when God steps in, you gotta be clairvoyant and

927
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 2: open enough to let him step in for you, you

928
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And and it's crazy because it

929
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 2: if I hadn't have kept doing that, what would I

930
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 2: have done? What would I have done?

931
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 1: If you haven't been open?

932
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying, if I didn't stay with the

933
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 2: acting shit, yeah and end up here, where would I've been?

934
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 2: Where would I have done? We won't know that, but

935
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, so many different opportunities. Was there and

936
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 2: smoke my homie that was selling dope that's dead now

937
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 2: yeah wow, But I've been selling dope man him and

938
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 2: fell into the stereotypical Atlanta shit.

939
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

940
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: You know. So it's a level of you know what

941
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 2: I'm saying, survival remorse because we hear now and people

942
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: like oh Blue switched up on us. But that's the point.

943
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 2: You have to be able to switch. You have to

944
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: be able to pivot. You can't keep doing the same

945
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 2: things and expect different results. Can't keep kicking it with

946
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: the same people and expect different things to happen. You

947
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 2: have to want more. And like I'm up here with

948
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 2: emotional tears now thinking about it, cause I'm grown. I'm

949
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 2: grown now, I'm forty years old. I've cried more as

950
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 2: a forty year old man. Then I have my time

951
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 2: because I'm comfortable with it. Yeah, now to cause now

952
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 2: you can go back, like you said, h everybody's right

953
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: in hindsight, But now you can go back and look

954
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 2: at your choices and the times that you were supposed

955
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 2: to be in jail, the time that you was supposed

956
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: to you know, it blows me. Now I'm up here

957
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 2: looking looking like strength, no, looking crazy to somebody that like, man,

958
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 2: look at this, you'll be a crying But no, like

959
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 2: I said, I'm not opposed to it because I know

960
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 2: the struggle, I know the story, I know where I

961
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: came from. I know who didn't make it.

962
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: When you were doing the acting. At what point did

963
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 1: you go full time, one hundred percent into acting and

964
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: how much rhetoric was around you leading up to that point.

965
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to do that on here with you. Girl.

966
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 2: You put me in there, you put me in and

967
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 2: I went from frying you bacon to you having me

968
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 2: thinking about it. Like I said, a front not too long.

969
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 2: A friend of mine just passed last week, I mean

970
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 2: not last week, but what's today t Tuesday. Yeah, I

971
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 2: had this weekend, like I said a couple two days ago,

972
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: I mean this weekend. And like I said that, all

973
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 2: of that, it just puts you in a crazy mind

974
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: state because he's done, his his story is done, his

975
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 2: train is done. He's not gonna keep going no more.

976
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 2: And he was a part of my life even though

977
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 2: his life is done, and he was still a part

978
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 2: of my life. So, like I said, talking about me

979
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 2: and my blessings and my success and when I'm about

980
00:53:53,560 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 2: to go to tomorrow, fuck me up. I'm sorry.

981
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: No, I have to apologize.

982
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 2: I mean to get into that men ain't supposed to cry.

983
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: I hate that this stereotype has been like ingrained in

984
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: our in our generations, generation, generations, generation, because to me,

985
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 1: I think sometimes I think tears is like a sign

986
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: of like the healing process kind of sort of you know,

987
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: I mean to have to pivot, pivoting, I think pivoting is.

988
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: I think pivoting is one of the hardest things you

989
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: can do, is to know when it's to stop something

990
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: and start something new, and then all the self doubt

991
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 1: that creeps in, like you said, of giving up on something.

992
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: I think everyone.

993
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 2: That's people imagine if I were have listened to all

994
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 2: the people that said I was a clown? What is

995
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 2: you doing? You ain't know? You gon to be gay?

996
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 2: Actors are gay, you know what I'm saying. Just all

997
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 2: the things that you know, black people say, you know,

998
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 2: stereotypical stuff, Like I said, I went through all that,

999
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And it was.

1000
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: You know, so he went through it. But it seems

1001
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: like a lot of your pain comes from like and

1002
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: I've never really used this term before, but like survival's remorse.

1003
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 1: It's like, now you made it to the other side.

1004
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: Is it like you have this guilt or something that

1005
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: they didn't cross over with you.

1006
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 2: Not about guilt. I'm not guilty because this is me.

1007
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 2: This is my life. You live for you. Like I said,

1008
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 2: this is my train, and I got a million more

1009
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 2: stops to make. That particular person that was talking about

1010
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 2: his train is done, no smoke to him, But I'm

1011
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 2: not done. Yeah. I can't crash my train and burn

1012
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 2: it out because his stopped.

1013
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1014
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 2: I have to keep going. I keep generating, I keep reducing,

1015
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:56,919
Speaker 2: I keep doing my purpose, my cause, and within that

1016
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 2: I get to celebrate any and every everybody else who

1017
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 2: has been a part of my life. Yeah, I celebrate

1018
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 2: you by me winning and by me being blessed and

1019
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 2: meet me having these opportunities. So I don't take none

1020
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:11,280
Speaker 2: of it for granted.

1021
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: So take me to your first acting gig that you get,

1022
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: like that very first one that you book after all

1023
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,919
Speaker 1: everyone's nay saying and in your ear, tell me about

1024
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: that first one.

1025
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 2: So that's like I said. So you start and you're

1026
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 2: just green, you know what I'm saying, Just like anything else,

1027
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 2: You're just attracted to the lore, same thing to me.

1028
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 2: Oh man, this is fun, this is new, this is different.

1029
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 2: But that's just practicing at the class. And then you

1030
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 2: start auditioning for you know, little not to call them bullshit,

1031
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 2: but small roles you know, school, college, theater roles that

1032
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 2: they have to do for school and stuff. Different people

1033
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 2: just throwing out little roles and stuff. But you still

1034
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 2: have to audition. Regardless about when you start throwing yourself

1035
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 2: out the audition, it's still a hundred other people auditioning

1036
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 2: with you. Yeah, so that's what we're getting at. They start,

1037
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 2: you know, I'm getting chose, like okay, whoa I booked something? Yeah,

1038
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 2: you just and then you just want to go perform

1039
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 2: because you've been practicing in class, working on your craft

1040
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 2: and doing whatever you just want to perform. It's just

1041
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 2: like sports. See, and this is the crazy connection. Everything

1042
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 2: that I learned that's installed and instilled within me from

1043
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 2: sports goes over and plays into the industry. The dedication,

1044
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 2: the work, it's all the same, the preparation having this.

1045
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 2: You know, workout, stay, stay mentally ready, physically in shape,

1046
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 2: physically ready, spiritually ready, and then they gonna tell you no,

1047
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 2: and then you have to be ready to get up

1048
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 2: and do it all over again. Just like sports. You lost,

1049
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 2: I gotta think, yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta get up

1050
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 2: and play. Yeah you lost, but you gotta play tomorrow.

1051
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,959
Speaker 2: Yeah you lost, you gotta play next week. That's done.

1052
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 2: Let's go keep it moving. Same thing with this. You're

1053
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 2: gonna get told no a million times before you get

1054
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 2: told yes. Like I said, so you got to have

1055
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 2: a mental for the tude to even get into this game.

1056
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 2: Like I said, it's changing now because the game is

1057
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,479
Speaker 2: not the same today twenty five going into twenty six

1058
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 2: the way it was when I first started. And like

1059
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 2: I tell my people, I feel like the game evolves

1060
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 2: like every five years. You know what I'm saying. So

1061
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 2: when I started, like we said, early twenty ten to

1062
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 2: twenty twelve, whatever that era, it wasn't the same like

1063
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 2: when they were working in two thousand and before. No digital,

1064
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 2: no nothing. Everything was manual. I think you had to

1065
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: like buy a book or something they said, and you

1066
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 2: had to look to find where the auditions would be

1067
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 2: at in the weekly paper. Wow, you know what I'm saying.

1068
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,919
Speaker 2: Type shit like that. So but it's still the same thing.

1069
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 2: It was manual, but you still had to go through

1070
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 2: that process. And regardless, back to the answer the question,

1071
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 2: I started getting chose, like oh shit, I got booked

1072
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 2: and you go do it. So and that's the thing

1073
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 2: with acting in the industry or whatever. Just like sports,

1074
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 2: you practice all week, the game is on Sunday, the

1075
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 2: football game or whatever. You practice in the sport, I

1076
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 2: mean you practice in the craft acting. Your game is

1077
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 2: the movie. The game is the production. When you get booked,

1078
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, when you're on set the game, Yeah,

1079
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 2: when you go to set, that's your game day, So

1080
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So that's how it was.

1081
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 2: I started getting booked, started getting chose, and I'm like,

1082
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 2: oh shit, I'm booked three projects you know what I'm saying,

1083
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 2: then you same thing. And regardless that, like you said,

1084
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 2: it's nothing, it was minute, it was a student film,

1085
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 2: but they still chose me out of fifty other dudes

1086
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 2: or other dudes that looked just like me or whatever,

1087
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 2: you understand. So that's where you build that the confidence

1088
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 2: and like, okay, maybe I got something here, and then

1089
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 2: you book something real. Yes, right, so likethless no, Yeah,

1090
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 2: but at that time it was the game. I booked

1091
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 2: the game. The game was like, you know, the hottest

1092
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 2: show out at that time. Yeah, I started booking other things.

1093
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 2: I booked the game and the other stuff. And I'm like,

1094
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 2: so then I got paid, you know what I'm saying.

1095
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 2: So when you get paid and you like, oh shit,

1096
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 2: I just got paid to come have fun, came to

1097
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 2: do what I've been doing the you know, practicing, and

1098
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 2: then but now they actually paid me and I'm getting

1099
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 2: respected for it. They gave me respect as an actor,

1100
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh what fuck this. I'm like, this

1101
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 2: is what I'm doing now. Now I'm putting all my chips.

1102
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 2: I'm gambling on me.

1103
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. At this point, though,

1104
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: if you kind of look back you being able to

1105
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: go have some money then allowed you. I would imagine

1106
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: your money management skills are really great.

1107
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 2: Thank you? Are they sure? Yes?

1108
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: No, I don't know, yes, thank you.

1109
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. I'm a capricorn. They say capricorns managed money.

1110
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: Well, okay, yeah, because in acting you have to manage

1111
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: your money well.

1112
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 2: Right, because it's like I said, it's a game and

1113
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 2: people see you like, oh, you're on TV, you're a millionaire,

1114
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,919
Speaker 2: and it's not like that. A lot of people you

1115
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 2: see them there on TV and that was that, and

1116
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 2: that was the paycheck for that, and now they haven't

1117
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 2: worked for the rest of the year. Their money ain't

1118
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 2: came in. It's not like the sports you get paid

1119
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 2: every week regardless or whatever. You know what I'm saying.

1120
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 2: You don't get paid until you work. So it's just

1121
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 2: like I said, the whole industry in the world has

1122
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 2: a different The reality is one thing and what people

1123
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 2: think it is is another. You know what I'm saying.

1124
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 2: It's rough. It's rough, and a lot of people don't

1125
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 2: survive it. And you understand why so many and he celebs,

1126
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 2: you know, you'd be like, oh, they're crazy or this

1127
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 2: or that because it'll tear you down. The game will

1128
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 2: chew you up and spit you out. It's like being

1129
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 2: in a relationship with a girl that you love, you

1130
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 2: madly in love with her, do anything for and shed

1131
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 2: just be dogging you out, and everybody like, man, why

1132
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 2: don't you leave that girl alone? And she dog you

1133
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 2: out all year and you bout the dropper, and then

1134
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 2: your birthday come around and she go all out for you,

1135
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 2: give you everything you want. You know it, do everything

1136
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 2: for you, shows you that she really loves you, and

1137
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 2: just like that, she got you locked for a whole

1138
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 2: year again. You know what I'm saying. And that's how

1139
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 2: the game is. It's vicious. It does not love you.

1140
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 2: It will chew you up and spit you out. So

1141
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 2: if you're not mentally strong, one thing about me, because

1142
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 2: then I got into this shit, like you said, when

1143
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 2: I started doing it, and like, damn, also, this is

1144
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 2: what I was supposed to be doing. Everything that I've

1145
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 2: done prepared me for this acting shit. And I'm like, man,

1146
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 2: I could have been doing this since I was motherfucker seventeen,

1147
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 2: eighteen years old. I wouldn't have made it. If I

1148
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 2: would have had success at eighteen and a young cat.

1149
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. It would have tought me up because, like

1150
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 2: I said, your mind, your mental has to be there,

1151
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 2: and I was established as a man when I got

1152
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 2: into this shit.

1153
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think one of the things that you

1154
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: said that I feel is very important is the fact

1155
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: that you said five minutes person that's calling.

1156
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 2: Glue, nuh we ad work, don't call me.

1157
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: The thing that you said that I think it stands

1158
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: out the most. I think it was kind of like

1159
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 1: your advice to the younger self is like, you can

1160
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: make a wrong decision, but it's on you to make

1161
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: it a right decision. And I think that's a testament

1162
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: to your whole journey, is like, Okay, maybe there was wrong,

1163
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: maybe there wasn't, but either way, you eventually chose to

1164
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: make the right decision to make it work.

1165
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 2: Right. Yes, ma'am, it's just I feel that the universe

1166
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 2: rewards your efforts, you know what I mean, God in

1167
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 2: the universe rewards your efforts. So if you're putting it in,

1168
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 2: then God in the universe will meet you halfway to

1169
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 2: give it back to you. Or and then if you're

1170
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 2: putting effort in something that's not for you, then the

1171
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 2: universe will show you where you're supposed to be.

1172
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: I agree with that.

1173
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 2: That's why I do things. Genuinely. I do things, and

1174
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 2: I'm pure about the things I do. I do it

1175
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 2: with a smile, because the universe will provide.

1176
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: Now, what made you go into production the.

1177
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 2: Same things that we're talking about producing, Yeah, the same

1178
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 2: things that we're talking about. So, like I said, coming

1179
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 2: up and having success and being blessed and starting to book,

1180
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 2: and I'm having success as an actor, you know what

1181
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 2: I mean. But then at the same time, it's so

1182
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 2: many times that roles that I booked never even happened.

1183
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 2: I've signed contracts and like you said, when was your

1184
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 2: oh aha moment? I made it? You know what I'm

1185
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 2: saying like that, Like, yes, motherfucker, we on sign. I

1186
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 2: done booked this show and it's coming and you know,

1187
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 2: and it never even happens. So then that tears you down.

1188
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 2: You're like, man, I thought I was finna get XYZ

1189
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 2: five hundred thousand dollars and this and that, and that

1190
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 2: it's not coming, So then that'll happened, and then you

1191
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 2: get back to the grind, back to work, and then

1192
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 2: it happens again and whatever, Like I said, it's a

1193
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 2: roller coaster, and you have to be able to to

1194
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 2: stay the wave. Like I said, the wave bill splash

1195
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 2: on you. You gotta have that's what we're telling you. Gotta

1196
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 2: have a surfboard. You gotta have a boat. You gotta

1197
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 2: be able to swim, swim until you can get you know,

1198
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 2: get in somebody's boat to stay on top of the wave.

1199
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 2: And it's like that. So working, and then you book

1200
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 2: and book book like I said, And then I finally

1201
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 2: other situations all go in my favorite then I link

1202
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 2: up with Tyler Perry, you know what I mean. And

1203
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 2: that's a great situation just being able to learn from

1204
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 2: him mentor from him being the big boss that he

1205
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 2: is the biggest black man in the game, in the game,

1206
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 2: in the industry. So to have him as somebody that's

1207
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 2: a friend, a mentor the boss. So whenever he's talking

1208
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 2: and he's pouring into me, I'm listening, you know what

1209
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So it's hard for me to not get

1210
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 2: into production and what I'm doing after watching him. Okay,

1211
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 2: this man got ten movies and ten different shows all

1212
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 2: on at the same time. He got ten different deals

1213
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 2: with Netflix, Amazon, BT all at the same time. So

1214
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 2: that's where it comes from. But initially it was already

1215
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 2: planet when I, like I said, but when I got

1216
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 2: with him, that's when I knew that's what I was

1217
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 2: supposed to be doing. But that's where it first started.

1218
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 2: After those situations and those roles and those opportunities never happened,

1219
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 2: I knew that I had to put myself in control

1220
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 2: of what we were doing because at the end of

1221
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 2: the day, no one is. And just like this, people

1222
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 2: ask me, Damn blue Man, you good as you're a

1223
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 2: great actor. Man, you're doing your thing. Why you ain't

1224
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 2: doing no Marvel movie yet? Like I don't want to

1225
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 2: be you know what I'm saying, Like I'm turning down

1226
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 2: Marvel movies and super hero movies Batman and Superman. Do

1227
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 2: you get what I'm saying. The point is those roles

1228
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 2: are not available for me. I don't have opportunity to

1229
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 2: be in Marvel movie. It was one black Marvel man.

1230
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,479
Speaker 2: It was two Chadwick, my big bro. Rest in peace

1231
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 2: to Chadwick and Michael B. Jordan. Yeah, they got those

1232
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 2: two roles. You know what I'm saying. It hasn't been

1233
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 2: much more from that. So the point that I'm making is.

1234
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 2: We have to create that.

1235
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: And I love that. So that's why you went into production.

1236
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 2: We have to create.

1237
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the new project at Viral.

1238
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 2: We are currently. The production company is Viral Productions, you know,

1239
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 2: started by myself and my partner Frank Atkinson. He didn't

1240
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:27,600
Speaker 2: make it. I told him he could have came and

1241
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 2: got a sandwich, sich. Yeah, but now he'll pull up

1242
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 2: later on y'all. But yeah, myself, my partner Frank Viral

1243
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 2: Productions because early on we were making viral videos.

1244
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, it makes sense.

1245
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 2: Now we made viral videos, and that's when I created

1246
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 2: Viral Productions because I'm like, we got millions of people

1247
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 2: liking what we're the content that we create when we

1248
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 2: put these videos out and they go viral, you know

1249
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:57,679
Speaker 2: what I mean. So if I can get a million

1250
01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 2: people to like what I put out, I can also

1251
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 2: get these people to come watch my movies. It's the same.

1252
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 2: It's the same thing. So and like I said, then,

1253
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 2: when I got with Tyler Perry, it just put more

1254
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 2: gas on that fire of being able to get these

1255
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,719
Speaker 2: things and to have him in support of the culture

1256
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 2: of more black you know, film creators. It's just it's

1257
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:24,679
Speaker 2: the time because we have to take control of our narrative.

1258
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 2: They're not going to tell our stories just like they

1259
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 2: just drop, you know, a black love story. We have

1260
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 2: to tell that story. We have to show people what

1261
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 2: black love really is and what it feels like. That's

1262
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 2: our job. It's our job to portray us in the

1263
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 2: light that we want to be seen. Like I said

1264
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 2: when I was young, you're not seeing us on TV

1265
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 2: besides being athletes, drug dealers, gang members, you know, in jail,

1266
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 2: and like I said, we're so much more than that.

1267
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 2: We have so many more stories to tell besides us

1268
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 2: being basketball players and jib is that?

1269
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: What is that? What one hundred and seventeen years of

1270
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 1: Hollywood bullshit is about?

1271
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? Most definitely.

1272
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 1: Can you tell our listeners like a little bit about it.

1273
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 2: Like you said once, one hundred and seventeen years of

1274
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:13,719
Speaker 2: movie bullshit?

1275
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: A movie is a movie bullshit.

1276
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 2: I thought it was say, Hollywood bullshit, movie bullshit. That

1277
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 2: is the actual name. One hundred and seventeen years of

1278
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:26,719
Speaker 2: movie bullshit. One hundred and seventeen years, you know, since

1279
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 2: the slavery was abolished, you know what I mean. So

1280
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 2: that's that's the years but like I said, we've been

1281
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Speaker 2: going through this same thing that I'm talking about right

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Speaker 2: now for one hundred years, being depicted on camera as

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Speaker 2: as slaves being depicted on cameras, ignorant, being depicted on

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Speaker 2: camera as murderer killers, gang members, whatever, with so much

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Speaker 2: more than that. And it's just a film highlighting all

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01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 2: the levels of the terrible movie roles that we have

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01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 2: been in since like the Gone with the Wind era

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01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 2: when they had Ain't you know, she was Ain't your

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01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 2: mom and a slave all the way up until this

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Speaker 2: time period, you know.

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Speaker 1: But it's comedic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's satires, comedic satire, just you know, putting the

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01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 2: spin on it to show all the bullshit that we

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01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 2: have gone through within being black in the film industry

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01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 2: to get to where we are today.

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Speaker 1: I love it, Yeah, I love it. Thought that was

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Speaker 1: very creative.

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Speaker 2: We trying, We trying. Like I said, Tyler Perry can't

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Speaker 2: be the only one out here giving y'all movies to watch,

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01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. There has to be more

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Speaker 2: black creators and black filmmakers. So I applaud him for,

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01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 2: you know, putting the battery in my back and giving

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Speaker 2: me the support. But we have to do that. The

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01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 2: film is in film festivals, we're amongst winning awards right now.

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Speaker 2: So we are blessed beyond measure to just be in

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Speaker 2: a situation and the timing is just great. Man, it's

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01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 2: our time, like I said, to take recontrol of the

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Speaker 2: black narrative.

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Speaker 1: And then where can everybody keep with everything?

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Speaker 2: Blue?

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Speaker 1: I know you can watch more TV. Go ahead, drop

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Speaker 1: all your drops.

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Speaker 2: I don't have no drops. It's just blue. It's just blue.

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Speaker 2: That's it. But no, we're gonna launch more platforms. So,

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Speaker 2: like I said, for the production company, because we have

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Speaker 2: some more situations coming where we're going to have a

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Speaker 2: TV show based off it. Just a reality show following

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01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 2: everything that goes with being black in Hollywood and being

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Speaker 2: a black filmmaker. You know what I'm saying, the actor

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Speaker 2: and the filmmaker, the things and the bullshit that we

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Speaker 2: have to go through. But yes, please follow me, support me.

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01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 2: We need all the love we can get. It's hard

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Speaker 2: out here to be black in the industry. It's hard

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Speaker 2: to be a black man period, but it's even harder

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Speaker 2: to be a black man in the film industry because

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Speaker 2: they don't want us to win.

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Speaker 1: No, No, I think the entertainment business is all you know.

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Speaker 1: But I can attest to like even like just counting on. Hey,

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Speaker 1: this deal will signed, this check is coming in. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I have a new role. Until the check is big

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Speaker 1: tire in hand, big time. I mean, I pre plan

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Speaker 1: all my checks, by the way, I pre plan all

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Speaker 1: my spending before I get it. But I will say this,

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Speaker 1: until the check is in hand, it's not official.

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Speaker 2: No, checks don't count until they are in That's what

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01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 2: I say. In the bank. In the bank, because even

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01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 2: when it's in your hand, it is still bounced. I've

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01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:28,680
Speaker 2: had checks bounce like basketballs.

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Speaker 1: I've had a check in my bag for like the

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Speaker 1: last month and a half, and I'm like, girl, you

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Speaker 1: put that in because you badgine. I go to the

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Speaker 1: pose like you because I think they have like ninety days.

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Speaker 2: I should probably you better go cast your money.

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Speaker 1: But all right, guys, thank you guys for tuning in

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Speaker 1: everything blue Kimbo and the like. Subscribe, follow, share, comment.

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Speaker 2: For sure, thank you, thank you, thanks out. I'll make

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01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 2: you a sandwich.

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01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 1: He'll make you a saying I'm gonna finish my sandwich.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna remove.

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Speaker 2: All the bacon, organic bacon

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Speaker 1: Organic, even thank you guys, peace out, see it,