Speaker 1: Are you ready for this? Sean Merriman A one hand effect.
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Speaker 1: Out with Sean Merriman. What's up? Guys, were back again
Speaker 1: on the Lights Out podcast with me Shawn Merriman. And
Speaker 1: today we're talking to one of my favorite coaches, one
Speaker 1: of my favorite guys, and one of the best decordinators
Speaker 1: who's ever did it coach some of the best players,
Speaker 1: best defenses of all time. My former culture to charge
Speaker 1: is Wade Phillips. Uh. We're gonna be talking about a
Speaker 1: lot of different things. One like, what the hell is
Speaker 1: going on with some of these defenses? Um, some of
Speaker 1: these late game collapses, miss queues and coverages and all
Speaker 1: sorts of things, and how the off season and COVID
Speaker 1: and different things might have affected what's happening right now
Speaker 1: on the defense side of the ball. And another thing
Speaker 1: this coming from me, how the hell doesn't a Wade
Speaker 1: Phillips have a job right now? Who doesn't need away Phillips? Uh,
Speaker 1: He's coached some of the greatest players in history and
Speaker 1: not putting myself up there, but whatever, uh. And there's
Speaker 1: so many different things that he can do and contribute
Speaker 1: right now in today's game and having a lot of
Speaker 1: fun with this and some of the stories me coming
Speaker 1: in as a rookie not knowing what in the hell
Speaker 1: to do. And the favorite story that I have nowadays,
Speaker 1: uh when I talk about is coach Phillips, uh, Greg
Speaker 1: Manusky and John Pagano all bringing me back in the
Speaker 1: room and I couldn't figure out to playbook and sitting
Speaker 1: me down and saying, kid, we're gonna line you up
Speaker 1: and then after that, we want you to see ball goball.
Speaker 1: And that's my phrase. They announce to this day long
Speaker 1: after football, Sea ball, go ball. How you been, man,
Speaker 1: I'm doing good? Yeah, just I like everybody you know, Uh,
Speaker 1: I'm about doing nothing, and and I don't start till noon,
Speaker 1: so I got a whole lot going on going on
Speaker 1: these times. You are how much football? Are you able
Speaker 1: to still watch? You still catching up and seeing all
Speaker 1: the games? Yeah? Yeah, I've watched the games and I
Speaker 1: got that all twenty two deal where you can you know,
Speaker 1: you can look at the games a little more technical
Speaker 1: technical than just watching on TV. So you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's funny because I tell people all the time, like
Speaker 1: when you like, when I retired you started watching the
Speaker 1: game as as we did in the film room. So
Speaker 1: you know, you go to like a place and the
Speaker 1: game is on and people are yelling like, oh he
Speaker 1: that he that guy's pulled to have that guy. That's
Speaker 1: what I said, guys, listen, all right, he's supposed to
Speaker 1: dropping the flash. That's not that's not his guy. So
Speaker 1: you still have that same mindset you're breaking film down. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, yeah, I watched the players and
Speaker 1: what they're doing, you know, and and most people are
Speaker 1: watching the ball, you know. So that's the difference. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and watching the ball and you know me, I'm watching
Speaker 1: guys on the sideline like you know, turnover or something
Speaker 1: like that. So I'm watching body language and what So
Speaker 1: when people are talking about, hey, this, these these guys
Speaker 1: are gonna come back and approach the field and do
Speaker 1: this and do that, and I said, let me, let
Speaker 1: me look at the silo. Let me see who's piste
Speaker 1: off that they just gotta turn on. Let me see
Speaker 1: who's piste off and trying to get the offense of
Speaker 1: the defense back into the game. And that's how I
Speaker 1: just I started to determine, Um, you know what, how
Speaker 1: that team is built well, that's for sure. And then
Speaker 1: especially nowadays where there's nobody in, there's no crowd to
Speaker 1: keep you going or get you excited or get you mad,
Speaker 1: so that you really have to all. You know, we
Speaker 1: always talked about, you know, doing it together and and that,
Speaker 1: but you really do nowadays with no crip. Nobody in stands,
Speaker 1: so there's nobody to pep you up, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: So the enthusiasm is gonna be really honest. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: you know, I said just that because this year is
Speaker 1: different than it's been in any other year, having no
Speaker 1: off season, and I want to I want to take
Speaker 1: get back to not having off season and coming in
Speaker 1: like a guy like myself in two thousand five and
Speaker 1: I got drafted by the charges Um. I still tell
Speaker 1: a funny story that when I came in, I couldn't
Speaker 1: catch up on a playbook. The playbook was this thick,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know what the hell I was doing.
Speaker 1: I was just flying around out there, and uh, I
Speaker 1: didn't have all season with the team. So I came
Speaker 1: on the field and I'm flying around and going all
Speaker 1: the wrong directions. I couldn't line up right. And you guys,
Speaker 1: meaning you uh, the coach mcgonod, but coach mcnannsky all
Speaker 1: you guys brought me into a room after practice and
Speaker 1: I'll never get the conversation. And you guys told me
Speaker 1: that you're gonna line me up, but after that, we
Speaker 1: want you to see ball, go ball, and like that's
Speaker 1: that's the terminology that I love to use nowadays. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean some some people get too technical. That's pretty
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty simple game. And the teaching really is,
Speaker 1: you know, having what to do and how to do it,
Speaker 1: and then do it with a d percent effort. You know.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, you know, I think you gotta get
Speaker 1: it down to the basics and then you gotta go
Speaker 1: like guys, well guys like you and I I didn't
Speaker 1: do that with everybody, but guys like you, you know,
Speaker 1: let them, let them, you lize their talent, you know.
Speaker 1: And um, you know you're one of my favorites. You
Speaker 1: know that, But I don't I don't know if everybody knows.
Speaker 1: I mean, you got all those sacks and I've had
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that had, you know, really a
Speaker 1: lot of sacks, but you're probably the best two way guy.
Speaker 1: And I'm talking about playing the Run in the past.
Speaker 1: I mean you were, you were dominant in the Run
Speaker 1: in the past, and I'm not. I don't know if
Speaker 1: people give you enough credit for that, but I damn sure, Dode.
Speaker 1: You know I appreciate that, coach, so I and I
Speaker 1: want to jump into something too, because you know, the
Speaker 1: other day all this Smith and I think also uh
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence from the Cowboys, they came out and they said,
Speaker 1: you know, we could play a lot faster if the
Speaker 1: playbook was simpler, and still to this still to this day,
Speaker 1: when I talked about coming into the NFL trying to
Speaker 1: figure things out and everything moving so fast, and how
Speaker 1: simple you made it for us, it was. It was
Speaker 1: once we had to play, that was it. You know,
Speaker 1: sometime will come up and show different Hollywood coverages and
Speaker 1: move around pre Snapple whatever, but the play was still
Speaker 1: the same. And if someone uh you know, swap formations
Speaker 1: and went to a Power of the Week or whatever
Speaker 1: side that was, we were smart enough and caught on
Speaker 1: enough to know both positions at the same and will.
Speaker 1: But ultimately the game was so simple for us. All
Speaker 1: you had to go out there is worried about making
Speaker 1: a play well you know people always saying people in
Speaker 1: football always say, uh, you play faster if you don't
Speaker 1: have to think, But that's not really true. You play
Speaker 1: faster if you know what to do. And so it's
Speaker 1: our job as coaches, and I'm always you know, being
Speaker 1: at it for a long time. I've seen so many
Speaker 1: coaches say blameing on players basically, but you know, he
Speaker 1: made this metake, they made this metake. Well, I'm the teacher.
Speaker 1: They shouldn't be making those mistakes. You know. It's like
Speaker 1: I have the test right like college, I have to test,
Speaker 1: and I have all the answers and I give them
Speaker 1: to you, so you should know what to do. So
Speaker 1: I'm not doing good enough job if I don't get
Speaker 1: that done. I'm telling you right now, I would spoil you.
Speaker 1: You don't know. You're coming in from college and you
Speaker 1: get into the pros. Uh, You you got all these
Speaker 1: new teammates, all these different characters and coaches and everybody
Speaker 1: you're trying to get used to, and you really don't
Speaker 1: understand and know how a coach can change of players
Speaker 1: really career and and ultimately make his standpoint and who
Speaker 1: they are in NFL. Because I tell people all the
Speaker 1: time I said, I got lucky with playing in a
Speaker 1: wave fill up defense and playing for that coach and staff,
Speaker 1: because without that, I'm telling you, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: think that it would have been three Pro Bowls back
Speaker 1: to back and all those records and all the other stuff,
Speaker 1: because I got you gotta put me in the position
Speaker 1: and to make plays. You knew what I can do,
Speaker 1: and you let me go out there and and and
Speaker 1: playing the defense to to fly around. Well, that's what
Speaker 1: you do with your best players. I mean to me,
Speaker 1: that's coaching. You can you do have to if you get,
Speaker 1: if you really get a really good player, you got,
Speaker 1: you got to put him in position where he can
Speaker 1: make the plays that he he can't make. And then
Speaker 1: then this lights out baby. So you know you know,
Speaker 1: but we knew that about you from the first day,
Speaker 1: from the first practice, loneal found out real quick. Look
Speaker 1: every time I talk about uh that coming on that
Speaker 1: first that I think it's that third uh padded practice
Speaker 1: with the fans out there, and I was I wasn't
Speaker 1: there the off season, and I never forget reading all
Speaker 1: the clips. I think Philip even came out of something
Speaker 1: and said something like, you know all he's supposed to
Speaker 1: be here and all this other stuff, and I'm my
Speaker 1: head is about it. I'm just piste off because I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: they just don't even know. You know, this is a
Speaker 1: contract dispute. I want to be out there. And the
Speaker 1: first day that that I got pad, it happened to
Speaker 1: be a fan practice and at night, and so I
Speaker 1: put on the pass. I'm coming out there. I'm getting
Speaker 1: all hyped up, you know, three thousand people out there,
Speaker 1: and now I just remember all these clips and people saying, oh,
Speaker 1: he should be here. Who does guy think he is?
Speaker 1: And I come running out there, and I'm talking about
Speaker 1: every time that I ran over the bag. So I
Speaker 1: made a move to Cloud. The crowd was just clapping
Speaker 1: and he was just hyping me up. And uh we
Speaker 1: went one oh one, uh pass rush with the running backs,
Speaker 1: and uh I got up there first. Now, in this drill,
Speaker 1: you're really supposed to, you know, ola guys and and
Speaker 1: and work work a pass rush move. But I was
Speaker 1: so piste off from what was saying and so hyped
Speaker 1: up that Loneil lorenz O'Neill uh soon to be Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame fullback and one of the best fullbacks that
Speaker 1: that that's ever played the game was right in front
Speaker 1: of me, and all I was thinking about was I'm
Speaker 1: gonna run through. I'm going to run through him and
Speaker 1: let everybody know. And uh I ran through O'Neill and
Speaker 1: I just I and I heard the crowd, that's all
Speaker 1: I heard that this the practice field stopped and I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, cool. But he called you out too,
Speaker 1: he said I want you and that Yeah, yeah that
Speaker 1: was that was a great moment. Yeah, that's a great moment. So,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, you were You weren't rookie anymore. What what
Speaker 1: do you see like around the league now? Because people
Speaker 1: always asked asked me, like, who do some of the
Speaker 1: favorite players I like to watch? Right, so who were
Speaker 1: some of the guys that played like Meal had a different,
Speaker 1: same type of style. Not I would always say, like
Speaker 1: Khalil mac Right, Like Khalil Mack is just if I'm
Speaker 1: looking at a guy will just he'll play the run,
Speaker 1: he'll play the pass. He can drop and coverage a
Speaker 1: little bit if you need to. But his mental pality
Speaker 1: towards a game, I'm like, man, this dude is just
Speaker 1: he's on another level. And Pagando actually when he coached
Speaker 1: him up in Oakland. He called me after the first
Speaker 1: practice and he said, your lights, This dude, Khalil mac
Speaker 1: He's he's you. He's on another level. And I said,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? He said, this guy's flying around
Speaker 1: who who do you see? Like some of the guys
Speaker 1: now sitting back watching that resembles some of the some
Speaker 1: of the really good players you coach in the past. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean I just got through coaching Aaron Donald's you know.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean he's a beast. Huh. The thing
Speaker 1: about you and I you know, I know, I'm not
Speaker 1: pumping you up or anything. But the thing about you
Speaker 1: and and and a lot of the great players have
Speaker 1: coached is, uh, you want to do more all the time.
Speaker 1: I mean, when we ran sprance, then you ran extra.
Speaker 1: When we lifted, you were lifted extra. When you got
Speaker 1: on when people got on the treadmill, you did extra
Speaker 1: and not only had great time, but you you went
Speaker 1: to that next level. But because you utilize your talent
Speaker 1: and that people don't People don't realize that what hard
Speaker 1: workers some of the great players are. There's the reason
Speaker 1: they're great players, that they really worked at it. And
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I've always appreciated especially those kind of guys.
Speaker 1: And Aaron's the same way. J. J. Watt was the
Speaker 1: same way, and and uh Von Miller Von was the
Speaker 1: same way. DeMarcus Ware you know the guys I coach lately.
Speaker 1: So but Reggie white was like that when I coached you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, coach, that's one that That's one thing I
Speaker 1: always wanted to ask you. I I we never we
Speaker 1: never got a chance, and I never kind of picked
Speaker 1: your brain about some of the some of the past
Speaker 1: guys you coach. Because when I got drafted, obviously I
Speaker 1: got the call from Wadi Shotenhamber. But the second thing
Speaker 1: I did, after I finished celebrating with my family and
Speaker 1: everybody is kind of happy and and and and you know,
Speaker 1: enjoying the moment, is I looked up all the great
Speaker 1: teams and defensive you coach, but especially the great players
Speaker 1: you know back the buff you know Buffalo days on
Speaker 1: until you know, I looked at everybody you know talk,
Speaker 1: you know, talk about Reggie white Man, and you know,
Speaker 1: because that was one of my guys and I watched
Speaker 1: growing up, and you know, the Bruce Smills and Biscuits,
Speaker 1: but especially Reggie. Yeah, Reggie was you know. Uh he
Speaker 1: set the record with twenty one sacks, you know, um
Speaker 1: until they broke it, Uh until Strahan Rugby with twenty two.
Speaker 1: But he was, like you, he only played twelve games
Speaker 1: that year he played, he played, He had twenty one
Speaker 1: sacks and twelve games. Now you had sixteen and twelve
Speaker 1: and that's monumental. But Reggie had twenty one and twelve
Speaker 1: game because they had a stride and so we only
Speaker 1: played twelve games, like the second year I coached him. Me, yeah,
Speaker 1: he had had twenty one sack, but it was in
Speaker 1: twelve games. So um. But he was he was a
Speaker 1: general giant, uh, with a lot of fun to be around.
Speaker 1: He always he could he could imitate everybody. I don't
Speaker 1: know how they can imitate even but he did Muhammad
Speaker 1: Ali and people, and uh, just fun to be around
Speaker 1: all the time. What a great guy, but a great player. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I got a chance to play for UM or
Speaker 1: play with a lot of guys and a lot of
Speaker 1: guys who don't get credit. And I'll tell people all
Speaker 1: the time still to this day that guys like Jamal Williams, right,
Speaker 1: Jamal Williams. Really No, I don't think I mean we're
Speaker 1: I appreciated them because I know that without him taking
Speaker 1: up those double teams in that space, the quarterbacks couldn't
Speaker 1: step up. You know, I got a chance to go
Speaker 1: around the corner um. But Jamal Williams was one of
Speaker 1: the greatest players I got a chance to play with.
Speaker 1: He was. He was on another level. But he never
Speaker 1: received that notoriety because of you know one his position.
Speaker 1: It was a kind of a grimy due to a
Speaker 1: dirty work type of position man. But he was another one.
Speaker 1: There was just just a great defensive player, dominant inside
Speaker 1: and you know what he did, and I think you remember,
Speaker 1: you know he's not for a guy six six one.
Speaker 1: Maybe he knocked have more passes than than most a
Speaker 1: in fact, how you use him and still use him
Speaker 1: as an example because if you remember, you know, guys
Speaker 1: that do things well, they work at it, and every drill,
Speaker 1: every walkthrough, when it was a pass or simulated pass
Speaker 1: in practice, he put his hands up. And that's why
Speaker 1: he knocked down so many passes, you know. And he
Speaker 1: could rush the pastor wn't he couldn't rest the pastor.
Speaker 1: But he worked at it all the time. And like
Speaker 1: I said, he'd be he'd be watching film and and
Speaker 1: and raise his hand. So, I mean, if you work
Speaker 1: at something enough, you know that that has always proved
Speaker 1: to me, if you work at something enough that you
Speaker 1: can do better at it and get good at it.
Speaker 1: And uh, and so I used him an example of
Speaker 1: of a guy that did that all the time and
Speaker 1: and got better and and uh. I always try to
Speaker 1: use guys as an example. If I've got to, I've
Speaker 1: got a Sean Merriman. I'm gonna tell everybody, if you
Speaker 1: play like Sean plays as hard as he plays, then
Speaker 1: then we're gonna be good. And that's that really helps coach.
Speaker 1: You made everybody good, man, I'm not gonna lie like
Speaker 1: every you know we I mean I look at the
Speaker 1: year that you know, I had the seventeen sacks, and
Speaker 1: I think that s P Seawan Phillips had twelve and
Speaker 1: Louise Castile has six. I mean, Igor and Shansky was
Speaker 1: getting his joxys there. Guys were just spreading love because
Speaker 1: I think we had seventies sacks. Men. That's crazy, man,
Speaker 1: Nobody's come close to that. So, yeah, what do you know? No,
Speaker 1: for sure? For sure? And then so and I'm looking
Speaker 1: around the league now and I'm like, hold on, how
Speaker 1: in the hell doesn't coach Way Phillips something like one
Speaker 1: of these teams, one of these defenses don't have you there,
Speaker 1: Like I'm looking at the Falcons and the Seahawks even
Speaker 1: you know, certain parts of the Cowboys, Jackson somebody right, um,
Speaker 1: because I just don't understand that. And you know, coach
Speaker 1: I was going through like is it maybe COVID through
Speaker 1: the off season off and and maybe they didn't have
Speaker 1: enough time to prepare for coaching staff or bring you in.
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm like, if you look at coaches, coach
Speaker 1: Phillips body of work over all the years you've been around,
Speaker 1: somebody need your needs your help. And so if you
Speaker 1: if you sat back and thought about it, thought about
Speaker 1: that at all, well yeah, I'd like to I'd like
Speaker 1: to do something, but you know, you gotta be hired first.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, no, I mean, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: a combination a lot of things, and part of its age,
Speaker 1: you know. I just uh, I think people think you're
Speaker 1: older and maybe you're out of touch. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I hey, I started at the bottom and I'm
Speaker 1: here right now. Maybe yeah, but yeah, I'm looking at it. Man,
Speaker 1: it's it's frustrating for me because whether it's age or whatever,
Speaker 1: the reasons, well maybe there's no reason at all, but
Speaker 1: it's hard. Nevers don't lie, man, it's you know, nembers
Speaker 1: just don't lie. And what you've done in the National
Speaker 1: Football League with every team you've gone to, um, you know,
Speaker 1: before way before me and after me, you just continued
Speaker 1: to do what you've done. I just haven't seen to
Speaker 1: have any has anybody called if you talked to anybody
Speaker 1: that was interested before the season started or kind of,
Speaker 1: but it didn't work out. But you notice my little there,
Speaker 1: it is my little trophy back there. I see it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we we almost got one. We we you know, And
Speaker 1: that's that's why you realize how hard it is to
Speaker 1: get one of those, because, uh, it's it's we had
Speaker 1: some really good teams and obviously Tom Brady Tom Brady
Speaker 1: was pretty good too. But but uh, but I'm pretty
Speaker 1: proud of that one. I talked to LT about that
Speaker 1: all the time. In the teams that we had, oh six,
Speaker 1: definitely the old six team, but possibly even you know,
Speaker 1: the old five. When I came in with Drew Brees
Speaker 1: and we had a good team in and kind of
Speaker 1: just missed the playoffs. No. Five, well, yeah, five. I
Speaker 1: don't know if people realize that. And old four the
Speaker 1: Chargers had the first pick in the draft. I mean
Speaker 1: old five, they had the first pick in the draft. Right,
Speaker 1: that means you're the worst team in football. And we
Speaker 1: went twelve and four, so we we that was a
Speaker 1: pretty damn good team. Pretty damn good. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: and Les talked about it old time said, man, why
Speaker 1: couldn't we just grab you know, at least one ring
Speaker 1: out of those that that tenure that I was there,
Speaker 1: that that team that we had, and you look back
Speaker 1: on it, may we across the board. We had I
Speaker 1: think what ten or eleven pro bowler is on that
Speaker 1: oh six team? Yeah, we had we had some great players.
Speaker 1: Need to better coaching. Sorry, uh, coach, what's so? Look?
Speaker 1: What's what? What's next? Man? What do you uh? If
Speaker 1: not this year, how long do you want to keep coaching?
Speaker 1: Do you want to have that side next year? Now?
Speaker 1: I enjoyed, you know, I enjoyed. The reason I enjoyed
Speaker 1: is for the people I'm you know, I like being
Speaker 1: around players and and coaches and being a part of it.
Speaker 1: But you know, if it didn't for me. If it
Speaker 1: didn't doesn't work out, you know, I'm happy to be
Speaker 1: retired and watch football, enjoy that, enjoy my grandkids, you know.
Speaker 1: So uh, you know, I'm at that point in my
Speaker 1: life that you know, I am older, So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: enjoy it. You know, I'm gonna enjoy it no matter what,
Speaker 1: so coaching or not. But I do believe I could
Speaker 1: help someone. I see some bad deepens. What are you
Speaker 1: seeing right now with these defenses and what's going on? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought the defenses actually would be ahead of the
Speaker 1: offense because there's no preseason, no off season. You know,
Speaker 1: usually the dfenses ahead, but it hadn't been the case.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm wondering for some of it's because you hadn't
Speaker 1: tackled anything. I think that's that's part of it. You know,
Speaker 1: you still got to get used to the speed of
Speaker 1: the game and uh and being able to tackle when
Speaker 1: when it's going full speed. So maybe that's part of it.
Speaker 1: I do think people put in so much defense. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, they put in their full install and the
Speaker 1: players aren't ready for it. I mean, you still can't
Speaker 1: make mistakes, you know, and we we tried to make
Speaker 1: it simple, but it's not a simple game. You know,
Speaker 1: Offenses are complicated, so it makes defenses have to adjust
Speaker 1: to a lot of things. So I just think maybe
Speaker 1: maybe they and players have said it they got too
Speaker 1: much in early because it would they put normal like
Speaker 1: they would the first game, but they hadn't any pre season,
Speaker 1: they hadn't any all seasons. So you're gonna make mistakes,
Speaker 1: mistakes get to beat. So that's what kind of the
Speaker 1: way I look at it. Yeah, and just to that point, um,
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, the offenses, I thought for sure,
Speaker 1: we're gonna come in slow because it's tim and route
Speaker 1: is so much you gotta put into the playbook. And
Speaker 1: when I see Aldon Smith and DeMarcus Loans come out
Speaker 1: and say what they said about the playbook being too complex, uh,
Speaker 1: I said, maybe they need to dumb it down because
Speaker 1: you still have rookies. You got free agents who've come
Speaker 1: in and trying to you know, get their legs up
Speaker 1: under him. Um, there's what barely no mini camps o
Speaker 1: t s being able to sit in that meeting room
Speaker 1: and go over things and allow these young pups, to
Speaker 1: these young guys to make these mistakes and figure out
Speaker 1: the mistakes mean film room will change the young guys
Speaker 1: year coming in learning and watching film, being able to
Speaker 1: make those mistakes and coming back back out and correct it.
Speaker 1: But they didn't have that. They didn't have any of
Speaker 1: that this offseason. So you know, to your point, you
Speaker 1: got sometimes you gotta dumb it down. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think the offenses because they can you know, offenses can
Speaker 1: do stuff with no pad zone. You know, they can
Speaker 1: get a lot of their time and they can get
Speaker 1: their plays. They can really get in their whole playbook.
Speaker 1: Defenses because they haven't uh practice tackling. They haven't taken
Speaker 1: Uh it's hard to it's hard to simulate defense more
Speaker 1: than you know that. So I think that's just kind
Speaker 1: them behind a little bit. It baffles me. I can't
Speaker 1: even put my finger around it. How someone even mid
Speaker 1: mid season, you know, four games in that they don't
Speaker 1: have you in to be a part of that staff.
Speaker 1: You know, one of these teams that they look promising,
Speaker 1: uh you know the Seahawks or something. You know, somebody
Speaker 1: that looks promising to get a ring this year, but
Speaker 1: you need to tighten that defensive. I'm surprised. Well, that's
Speaker 1: that's just part of the game, you know. You know
Speaker 1: it's a business too. You know that you've been through
Speaker 1: it too. You know, players yet to go through it
Speaker 1: as a been. Coaches do too, so you know, it's
Speaker 1: just the way it worked out. But I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: I'm gonna enjoy what I'm doing, you know that, So
Speaker 1: even if I'm not doing anything until noon. So let's
Speaker 1: let me ask you. You get that call next year
Speaker 1: and you know it's a desirable position, are you still
Speaker 1: open to coach next year? Oh? Yeah, yeah, Like I said,
Speaker 1: I think I can help. And that's you know, Uh,
Speaker 1: it's all about winning. You know. It's fun to play,
Speaker 1: it's it's fun to have the game, but the real
Speaker 1: thing is to be able to win, you know, and
Speaker 1: that's not that's not easy to do. People think it's
Speaker 1: easy to do, but it's not. And I've been lucky
Speaker 1: to be on with a lot of winning teams and
Speaker 1: that's what makes it even more fun. Well, of course,
Speaker 1: every everybody I talked to the play for you played
Speaker 1: against you, we all say the same thing I was.
Speaker 1: And I was talking to Marcella's wildly the other other
Speaker 1: day when we're on the show Bank god Alway, Philip
Speaker 1: from we always say that. So man, I hopefully uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we see you coaching. I personally can't thank
Speaker 1: you enough for what you did for me and my career. Man,
Speaker 1: And I really and I mean this. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: I really mean this because I don't believe that I
Speaker 1: would have had the success I've had without you coaching,
Speaker 1: without you guys being there and and bringing this young
Speaker 1: pup in and uh and let me let me read
Speaker 1: having man, let me get after some people in and
Speaker 1: very few coaches I can do that. And I appreciate that. Well,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you saying that, but I think you You're
Speaker 1: gonna be great no matter what. But but I was
Speaker 1: happy to see it. And that's for sure. You made
Speaker 1: a big difference in the game and turn those lights
Speaker 1: out on. I still love that. I still love that,
Speaker 1: and and I love you. I love players, I love
Speaker 1: I love good people that that work hard like you did.
Speaker 1: And and uh, I love being part of the game.
Speaker 1: But I love the people in it and and you're
Speaker 1: certainly want to. I appreciate your coach, Love you, man always,
Speaker 1: and uh, whenever you get back on that field, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: especially in this day and time, Yeah, especially in this day. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Absolutely, I love you, coach, man.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you same here. You got me, you got me,
Speaker 1: uh you got me a few years extra years coaching.
Speaker 1: I said, well, yeah, okay, well may being help with us.
Speaker 1: So thanks all right, coach. I can't wait to see
Speaker 1: you coach back coaching again next year. Man, I love you. Thanks,
Speaker 1: thanks all right. Wow, what a outstanding time with my
Speaker 1: former coach way Phillips. As you guys can tell, he's
Speaker 1: one of the best, not only best coaches, but one
Speaker 1: of the best people around. And let's just hope and
Speaker 1: pray that Way Phillips is on somebody's coaching staff next
Speaker 1: year because he can do so much more uh in
Speaker 1: his coaching career and he's been doing it forever. Uh.
Speaker 1: So again, I had a great time with coach Phillips.
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